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Did you know there is a Legal status page? That the section has become a bloat and the claims should be on its page if anywhere. This isnt a case of adding to make a page, but to recreate the section that was broken out. AlbinoFerret 02:27, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the discussion and offer to help on Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/2014-12-03/Op-ed. I thought I would respond here if that is OK rather than filling up the comments section. I am a registered nurse in the UK regulated by the code of conduct of the Nursing and Midwifery Council (NMC) - however I think my questions relate to all registered healthcare professionals around the world.
Healthcare professionals should have the skills to evaluate and analyse information from a variety of sources (and help patients to do the same) - this is what I try to teach my students - however many patients will independently see information on wikipedia which may be wrong (out off date, incomplete or just plain wrong), and may take action based on that information which may be harmful or not as good as it could be.
I would suggest WikiProject Medicine would be best placed to help both the regulators and wikipedia by drafting some guidance.
(I tend not to edit health related articles & focus on history, archaeology and historic buildings in my area which are unconnected with my employment, but do have 60,000 edits over 10 years & some familiarity with wp policies and practices.)— Rod talk 18:07, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
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— Preceding unsigned comment added by Upjav ( talk • contribs) 23:52, 27 August 2014
Hi i was wondering if anyone actually started a talk on phase 111 trials especially of Subcutaneous (SC) Toccilizumab (TCZ), as i'm considering taking part in trials in Ireland as i have RA... Regards jon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jon.a.saunders ( talk • contribs) 20:17, 17 November 2014
Howdy, seeing your discussion connected to the Signpost issue and @ The Banner:'s mention of agriculture pages being savaged under the banner ( :-) ) of WP:MEDRS hit a nerve with me. That is mostly because I try to defend some mentions of Traditional Chinese medicine against accusations that it is fringe, which I think is cultural hegemony and suppressing a source of important hypotheses on which science can build. I also thought there was misuse of WP:MEDRS in the removal of any mention of the Séralini affair or of Mesoamerican nephropathy from the Glyphosate page. I consider that page to be a hotbed of the worst of wikipedian behaviour, so I don't want to drag either of you in there, but for a general impression of how to proceed, could I ask your opinion on this rather old that is one of the clearer examples where a source has been removed in that way? (One that upsets me more than that is this edit.) Thanks, but please feel free not to respond because I think this is extremely difficult to deal with. Sminthopsis84 ( talk) 16:11, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
{{
cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (
link)Thank you again for this discussion, it has made me think very hard. Would you say that this conclusion is accurate? I now think that the following statements are true: scientists find WP:MEDRS irritating and incomprehensible; WP:MEDRS forbids the inclusion of medical hypotheses. It is necessary to remember that medicine is an art, and is heavily based on
credentialism. Science, on the other hand, relies entirely on evidence, which can come from non-credentialed sources such as graduate students. Thus we cannot say in Wikipedia "It has been suggested that
Mesoamerican nephropathy, an epidemic among farm labourers, may have increased in areas where
glyphosate has been applied on certain types of soil (VanDervort, D.R.; López, D.L.; Orantes, C.M.; Rodríguez, D.S. (2014). "Spatial Distribution of Unspecified Chronic Kidney Disease in El Salvador by Crop Area Cultivated and Ambient Temperature". MEDICC Review. 16 (2): 31–38.{{
cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link))." because this is a statement about human health that requires a WP:MEDRS source, and no such source can be provided for an hypothesis.
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11:19, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
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Thank you for your kind words on my Talk Page and I hope you and your hamster have some happy holidays! :) Cowicide ( talk) 20:05, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
I hope you have a great time with family and friends and a happy new year. AlbinoFerret 20:06, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
I saw a familiar name (you) on the Talk page of this article from back in 2011. Thought I would let you know I sent it to AfD. CorporateM ( Talk) 13:57, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
First, thanks for your review on Macadamia nuts controversy DYK!
While reading your review comment, I wanted to tell you that there is a dedicated tool to detect copyvio, by searching all the phrases in the article into Yahoo. (I wonder why not google, but anyway...) Maybe you can use it in the future! — Revi 16:51, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi BR. No frills - just a quiet ‘’all the best’’ to you for 2015 and I hope you’ll continue to be around on Wikipedia for a long time to come. -- Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 15:03, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
Nice find, hope you will elaborate. Nice hamster BTW, does he edit? Formerly 98 ( talk) 16:42, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi Lane! Eryk from the Wiki Education Foundation here. I've writing to see if you've got a moment to look at the extra medicine module we've added to the student training on Wikipedia. It isn't live yet, but in Module 3, we'd add a link to this.
From there, students who might encounter medical pages will get additional training in evaluating and using those resources, whereas non-medicine-editing students will get more general advice. You can see the medical training as it stands now by clicking the top blue bar.
If you have a moment (before Thursday?), would you have a look at this, and make any suggestions for what else you'd like to see? We'll be posting it to the Education Noticeboard soon thereafter, but hoped you'd give us a quick gut-check for the utility of what we've got so far. I'm sincerely thankful for this and all your past help.
Thanks! Eryk (Wiki Ed) ( talk) 22:56, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
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Cas Liber ( talk · contribs) 00:02, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi! Happy New Year! How are you? I was wondering if you could help me use some of the references I've scouted out in talk:dishwashing liquid. Regardless, thanks a lot! Bananasoldier ( talk) 02:17, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi Bluerasberry I have received a request for assistance with a draft at AFC which I recently reviewed. As it is a medical topic which requires MEDRS I do not really feel competent to help - the draft also has POV and ADVERT problems. From what the editor says it's likely that solid sources do exist but he seems to have trouble citing them. Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 08:50, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
Is the Los Angeles Times a proper secondary source for medical claims, when it summarizes a medical journal?
In 2009, Avram and colleagues published an article in Seminars in Cutaneous Medicine and Surgery describing results of the CoolSculpting system. Using before-and-after ultrasound imaging of 10 patients, the researchers found that the treatment reduced the thickness of fat in the "love handles" by more than 20% after four months. Mild side effects, including bruising and numbness, generally went away after about a week.
I'm finding a few cases like this as I work on a draft.
CorporateM ( Talk) 16:49, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi again Lane,
What do you think of List of people from Bangor, Maine? It appears one editor is set on the idea that only people with Wiki articles can be listed; he's deleted all others and added hidden comments in the edit screen warning against such additions. He writes it establishes notability, while it really doesn't, RSs do. This looks like some sort of potential ANI discussion.-- ɱ (talk · vbm) 20:58, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
The same odd comments appear at List of people from Portland, Maine. It goes against the red-linking objective, ignores the fact that Wikipedia articles have never and will never establish a person's notability, and is requiring users to obey a rule that isn't on Wikipedia's policies or guidelines. Some people...-- ɱ (talk · vbm) 21:08, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
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Did you know there is a Legal status page? That the section has become a bloat and the claims should be on its page if anywhere. This isnt a case of adding to make a page, but to recreate the section that was broken out. AlbinoFerret 02:27, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the discussion and offer to help on Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/2014-12-03/Op-ed. I thought I would respond here if that is OK rather than filling up the comments section. I am a registered nurse in the UK regulated by the code of conduct of the Nursing and Midwifery Council (NMC) - however I think my questions relate to all registered healthcare professionals around the world.
Healthcare professionals should have the skills to evaluate and analyse information from a variety of sources (and help patients to do the same) - this is what I try to teach my students - however many patients will independently see information on wikipedia which may be wrong (out off date, incomplete or just plain wrong), and may take action based on that information which may be harmful or not as good as it could be.
I would suggest WikiProject Medicine would be best placed to help both the regulators and wikipedia by drafting some guidance.
(I tend not to edit health related articles & focus on history, archaeology and historic buildings in my area which are unconnected with my employment, but do have 60,000 edits over 10 years & some familiarity with wp policies and practices.)— Rod talk 18:07, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
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— Preceding unsigned comment added by Upjav ( talk • contribs) 23:52, 27 August 2014
Hi i was wondering if anyone actually started a talk on phase 111 trials especially of Subcutaneous (SC) Toccilizumab (TCZ), as i'm considering taking part in trials in Ireland as i have RA... Regards jon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jon.a.saunders ( talk • contribs) 20:17, 17 November 2014
Howdy, seeing your discussion connected to the Signpost issue and @ The Banner:'s mention of agriculture pages being savaged under the banner ( :-) ) of WP:MEDRS hit a nerve with me. That is mostly because I try to defend some mentions of Traditional Chinese medicine against accusations that it is fringe, which I think is cultural hegemony and suppressing a source of important hypotheses on which science can build. I also thought there was misuse of WP:MEDRS in the removal of any mention of the Séralini affair or of Mesoamerican nephropathy from the Glyphosate page. I consider that page to be a hotbed of the worst of wikipedian behaviour, so I don't want to drag either of you in there, but for a general impression of how to proceed, could I ask your opinion on this rather old that is one of the clearer examples where a source has been removed in that way? (One that upsets me more than that is this edit.) Thanks, but please feel free not to respond because I think this is extremely difficult to deal with. Sminthopsis84 ( talk) 16:11, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
{{
cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (
link)Thank you again for this discussion, it has made me think very hard. Would you say that this conclusion is accurate? I now think that the following statements are true: scientists find WP:MEDRS irritating and incomprehensible; WP:MEDRS forbids the inclusion of medical hypotheses. It is necessary to remember that medicine is an art, and is heavily based on
credentialism. Science, on the other hand, relies entirely on evidence, which can come from non-credentialed sources such as graduate students. Thus we cannot say in Wikipedia "It has been suggested that
Mesoamerican nephropathy, an epidemic among farm labourers, may have increased in areas where
glyphosate has been applied on certain types of soil (VanDervort, D.R.; López, D.L.; Orantes, C.M.; Rodríguez, D.S. (2014). "Spatial Distribution of Unspecified Chronic Kidney Disease in El Salvador by Crop Area Cultivated and Ambient Temperature". MEDICC Review. 16 (2): 31–38.{{
cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link))." because this is a statement about human health that requires a WP:MEDRS source, and no such source can be provided for an hypothesis.
Sminthopsis84 (
talk)
11:19, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
"And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold,
I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord."
Luke 2:10-11 (King James Version)
Ozzie10aaaa ( talk)is wishing you a Merry Christmas.
This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove.
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Happy Holiday Cheer | |
Season's Greetings! This message celebrates the holiday season, promotes WikiLove, and hopefully makes your day a little better. Spread the seasonal good cheer by wishing another user an Awesome Holiday and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone with whom you had disagreements in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Share the good feelings! Joys! Hafspajen ( talk) 01:52, 23 December 2014 (UTC) |
Thank you for your kind words on my Talk Page and I hope you and your hamster have some happy holidays! :) Cowicide ( talk) 20:05, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
I hope you have a great time with family and friends and a happy new year. AlbinoFerret 20:06, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
I saw a familiar name (you) on the Talk page of this article from back in 2011. Thought I would let you know I sent it to AfD. CorporateM ( Talk) 13:57, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
First, thanks for your review on Macadamia nuts controversy DYK!
While reading your review comment, I wanted to tell you that there is a dedicated tool to detect copyvio, by searching all the phrases in the article into Yahoo. (I wonder why not google, but anyway...) Maybe you can use it in the future! — Revi 16:51, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi BR. No frills - just a quiet ‘’all the best’’ to you for 2015 and I hope you’ll continue to be around on Wikipedia for a long time to come. -- Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 15:03, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
Nice find, hope you will elaborate. Nice hamster BTW, does he edit? Formerly 98 ( talk) 16:42, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi Lane! Eryk from the Wiki Education Foundation here. I've writing to see if you've got a moment to look at the extra medicine module we've added to the student training on Wikipedia. It isn't live yet, but in Module 3, we'd add a link to this.
From there, students who might encounter medical pages will get additional training in evaluating and using those resources, whereas non-medicine-editing students will get more general advice. You can see the medical training as it stands now by clicking the top blue bar.
If you have a moment (before Thursday?), would you have a look at this, and make any suggestions for what else you'd like to see? We'll be posting it to the Education Noticeboard soon thereafter, but hoped you'd give us a quick gut-check for the utility of what we've got so far. I'm sincerely thankful for this and all your past help.
Thanks! Eryk (Wiki Ed) ( talk) 22:56, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
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Cas Liber ( talk · contribs) 00:02, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi! Happy New Year! How are you? I was wondering if you could help me use some of the references I've scouted out in talk:dishwashing liquid. Regardless, thanks a lot! Bananasoldier ( talk) 02:17, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi Bluerasberry I have received a request for assistance with a draft at AFC which I recently reviewed. As it is a medical topic which requires MEDRS I do not really feel competent to help - the draft also has POV and ADVERT problems. From what the editor says it's likely that solid sources do exist but he seems to have trouble citing them. Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 08:50, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
Is the Los Angeles Times a proper secondary source for medical claims, when it summarizes a medical journal?
In 2009, Avram and colleagues published an article in Seminars in Cutaneous Medicine and Surgery describing results of the CoolSculpting system. Using before-and-after ultrasound imaging of 10 patients, the researchers found that the treatment reduced the thickness of fat in the "love handles" by more than 20% after four months. Mild side effects, including bruising and numbness, generally went away after about a week.
I'm finding a few cases like this as I work on a draft.
CorporateM ( Talk) 16:49, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi again Lane,
What do you think of List of people from Bangor, Maine? It appears one editor is set on the idea that only people with Wiki articles can be listed; he's deleted all others and added hidden comments in the edit screen warning against such additions. He writes it establishes notability, while it really doesn't, RSs do. This looks like some sort of potential ANI discussion.-- ɱ (talk · vbm) 20:58, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
The same odd comments appear at List of people from Portland, Maine. It goes against the red-linking objective, ignores the fact that Wikipedia articles have never and will never establish a person's notability, and is requiring users to obey a rule that isn't on Wikipedia's policies or guidelines. Some people...-- ɱ (talk · vbm) 21:08, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
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