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Glad to see you're home. I have replied on my user page, As this page is far too long as it is!
Bisgh, I am kind of mentally different and like to do things that people dont approve of necessarliy but how would you like it if you were locked in your parents big house all alone most of the time either with just a computer and a TV?? I DO have friends but they have to come over and see me most of the time and I can't go see THEM without supervision. If have some money from my parents but can't really live alone yet and I don't know when. So a lot of my time is just sitting here :( Now Lucky wants to banish me for doing drugs. Well what would you do if it was after midnight and you hadn't gone out in 2 days either? I"m sorry, do what you have to do but please try to undrestand me. Wiki brah 02:39, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
Thank you so very much for your flower! I'm going to send you some more goats, these are wild ones I photographed in Egypt, just as soon as I have the time to scan them. Hope the holiday was a success, so brave of you to try scuba diving, and snorkelling, in the fjords so unfashionably far north. Giano | talk 22:27, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
I have been pointed in your direction for either a translation, or an explanation of the word "länsteater" and similar. My question arouse because of Gävleborgs Folkteater mentioned in the article Anders Norudde. Do you know if there is a generally accepted translation of this proper name? If not, do you have a suggestion on a not too lenghty explanation of what a "länsteater" is? / Habj 14:41, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
Don't look for me on IRC or the various policy/talk pages. I'm about done with this place. It occurs to me more and more every day that not only will quality get swamped by bulk, but that, increasingly, there isn't even the smallest island for quality, so merely retreating to writing solid article and letting the rabid and distempered gradually agree that Wikipedia should be Everything2 isn't an option. I may go on full break. I haven't decided, yet, but I care less and less about how successful people can be at eliminating any deletion, any featured status, any standards at all. Quality, it seems, is only desired in the abstract, but having one great orgy of self-expression is demanded in the here and now. Geogre 16:48, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
Func( t, c, e, ) 19:11, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
All right already! Bubble gum pink, isn't it? Bishonen | talk 19:19, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen | talk 01:27, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Func( t, c, e, ) 01:42, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
JRM · Talk 11:20, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
-- Bishonen | talk 11:41, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
All those pastel boxes are nice, but there's just... something missing. Some roundness to balance the angularity of the boxes. Oh, I know: File:Madhappyfaceblob.gif
Mindspillage (spill yours?) 16:57, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
I suppose all you wonderful people realize I archived TWO DAYS AGO??? Oh, hey, though, now I know what I want: round text boxes! There's a challenge! Bishonen | talk 18:01, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
JRM · Talk 18:18, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen | talk 19:54, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
[Hastily] Yes, yes, that's excellent, finally something tasteful, you can stop now! Bishonen | talk 21:15, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
...for weirdest talk page ever. Andre ( talk) 07:27, August 13, 2005 (UTC)
El_C 09:08, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
Don't bother archiving any of this. In fact, if it were me, I'd just redirect my talk page to the Sandbox and lock it. JRM · Talk 11:26, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
E70 is explaining that he's tired of me at Talk:Motorväg. I don't think he'll ever actually read the VfD, my argumentation or even applicable policy, so could you give a hand?
Peter Isotalo 15:13, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for supporting my RFA and your kind words there. It couldn't have happened without your effort. FeloniousMonk 17:45, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
It may seem a bit silly to give an admin one for doing their duty, but good job on being patient with me on the stupid articles. >.> -- A Link to the Past 20:03, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bish - paths haven't crossed for a while, trust all has been well with you. I'm just wondering if you might care to have a look at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Zambezi/archive1 and associated comments on Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates - I incorporated a lot of 1911 Britannica text into the article, which has raised questions about whether it can be considered an example of Wikipedia's best work. I seem to recall you've done quite a bit with lavish 1911 prose so would be interested to hear your views. Also, I just put Surtsey up on FAC.
As it seems obligatory to leave splash of colour and/or a silly picture with comments on this page, here you go. Worldtraveller 14:09, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
Yes, that 1911 POV does rear its head on a lot of subjects! With Zambezi, there's luckily not too much of a colonial attitude you can bring in to describing the course of a river, so most of my alterations were just trimming the luxuriant prose into something more toned down. Some time soon I'm going to tackle Andes, which is just a horrible 1911 mess at the moment, and severely handicapped by the fact they didn't believe in continental drift back then. ETPH, it must be said, perhaps verges on 1911EB proportions of hyperbole and descriptiveness, otherwise I think your writing is acceptably modern :) Anyway, look forward to your thoughts on Zambezi and Surtsey! Worldtraveller 17:32, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi pretty boy.
Could I bother your admin powers with removing the images created by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dankell ? Dankell has been moving images from wikimedia commons to wikipedia :-). Doing it now will save someone the trouble of doing it later.
-- Fred- Chess 08:33, August 17, 2005 (UTC)
If you're going to throw your weight around, may I suggest you do a little research first? 212.101.64.4 15:14, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
The anonymous Norwegian user is at it again at talk:Norwegian language. He tried reverting back to the SIL classification and now he's claiming that the letter from a representative from Norsk Språkråd is not neutral because she's writing in Nynorsk. His POV here seems to be that he's a proponent of a) Eastern Norwegian and b) Riksmål and is just generally not listening to argumentation. Can I really RfAr the guy or is this something you or other admins can deal with?
Peter Isotalo 15:41, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
It usually takes more than one individual to make a harsh discussion. I won't excuse anyone's personal attacks, but it appears to me that you have a special ability to end up in controversy. If you hold your finger off the trigger for just a second, I will try and appeal to the anon to reach an agreeable solution. I may still spend less time on the article than I'd like, but hopefully something may come out of it.
Bishonen, sorry for trampling into you page, it just seemed like the best place at the moment. --
Eddi
(Talk) 10:04, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
Bish, could you take a look at Uppsala University, please. There are still another couple of centuries of history to write before I can take it to peer review, but it is already at 35kb and I really need someone else to take a look at the article for suggestions as to structure, and what possibly to move over to sub-articles. I haven't added any references yet, but most of the article is based on Sten Lindroth's little history of the university from 1977. Uppland 10:48, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen. I presume you are aware that Filiocht has decided to leave the project (see: User talk:Filiocht#Why I won't be back any time soon. It seems to me that his leaving should not go unremarked upon. I would like to honor him in some way for all his excellent contributions to the project. I would be willing to try to write something on my own, but I believe that you knew him better and longer than I did, And you are certainly a better writer. And I also thought you might want to have the honor of writing something? Perhaps there are others who should be involved? I would be happy to try to help organize and fashion some kind of tribute. Paul August ☎ 13:17, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
Aw, Cecilia, come to momma! Bishonen | talk 23:01, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
Featured articles
Featured list:
Other contributions:
Perhaps we could call the paean Filiochts Wake? Paul August ☎ 23:10, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
I just saw The Plain Dealer for the fist time (the article, I mean; I've never seen the play acted, but I've read it more than once). It is exactly that kind of nonsense with which we should not up put. You and I like to annihilate it when we see it in our field, and this particular article is certainly in your way, but it occurs to me that one of the things that Filiocht did before he took his name was offer serious, sober, and balanced articles on 19th century British and Irish authors. These are the writers second most likely to be distorted by those abortions planted all over Wikipedia: the public domain encyclopedia. I understand that folks mean well when they plant those corpses in our garden, but it only makes me more wish for a Wiki-pager system. "Thinking of dropping teh literature bomb? Call 555-18TH first!" Filiocht gave us comprehensive, and precise articles. You and I have done what we could as we have had time and inclination, but few will know and fewer care the amount of good this does when we are working on a "I got there first!" project. Geogre 20:39, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
You know, I've used the mop (rollback button) and bucket ( deletion/undeletion) hundreds of times, but I hardly ever reach for the shield of steel ( page protection) or sawn off shotgun ( blocking). -- ALoan (Talk) 15:20, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
just wanted to let you know that I responded to your question on my RFA page. I also jumped through a hoop while writing it for good measure :). Jtkiefer T | @ | C ----- 15:57, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for restoring Tudorbethan, unfortunately User: Neutrality has now moved it yet again, this time to Tudorbethan architecture again with no discussion. Is this common Wikipedia practice? I note Neutrality is an arbitrator! Giano | talk 10:08, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi! I'm back again. I would appreciate the favor of another release, if you happen to be onsite. Thanks. WBardwin 16:30, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
Your user name or IP address has been blocked by Olivier. The reason given is this: Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "WikiNazi". The reason given for WikiNazi's block is: ""i am WikiNazi. i want you all to join me in vandalizing wikipedia"". Your IP address is 205.188.117.69.
August 25th -- different IP address this time. Are you available for another release? Thanks. WBardwin 22:50, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
Your user name or IP address has been blocked by Ryan Delaney. The reason given is this: Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "Mickey663". The reason given for Mickey663's block is: "Sock puppet". Your IP address is 64.12.116.7.
Bish, I think that's a marvelous idea making that thing a redirect. I've never seen these vandal bots override an existing article. It's always a pleasure seeing your words smiling back at me on my talk page. You are, of course, welcome anytime. Ciao for now. :) - Lucky 6.9 22:11, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bish. I have added my source to the references section. I am not sure on the style we use for journal articles so it might look a little goofy. Rje 00:26, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
The autoblocker should be left to do its work unless we can show it's actually hurting people, otherwise folks would log out and go straight on with editing (effectively requiring you to watch out and do every block twice). Unless we know this yokel has an AOL account, there's no need to worry. JRM · Talk 19:26, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for your continued help and willingness to watch out for me. Frankly, I don't recall seeing a time on the "Block" page, but next time I'll copy the whole thing and paste it here. I really am getting used to this obstruction. But, as my time here will be in more discreet blocks in the relatively near future, the time wasted in getting a block cleared will be more important. Appreciate you. WBardwin 00:37, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
Of course I don't mind. Feel free. Enjoy yourself. Sing a little song, even. :-) Joyous (talk) 00:53, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
In case you didn't notice, User:213.237.21.6 vandalize again Talk:Bogdanov Affair with the same personal attacks and garbage. -- YBM 13:45, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
In case you didn't notice "Sophie Petterka" (aka
User:213.237.21.6) is now back as
XAL and is providing great fun (and some abuses against you and I) on
Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal --
YBM 13:54, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for the release --- appreciate you watching out for me. WBardwin 19:37, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen, thank you so much for my Zola, and for fixing that damn user page of mine, which is a real mess. :) I'm planning to refactor it into some useful subpages, based on your extraordinary example. :) Thanks, Func( t, c, @, ) 02:21, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
Until one of them can cure scrofula by touch, I won't believe they deserve absolute power. I think I figured out and articulated why the recent business has me so livid. Unfortunately, I posted it on user talk:Radiant. Basically, I see trepidation over saying anything harsh to Tony as being of a single piece with timidity about addressing Ed Poor. Geogre 03:23, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
For blocking the nasty vandal. How did you manage to interpret the Flemish? JFW | T@lk 21:11, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
I encountered a very good reason to stop respecting the SIL-style of infobox layout at user talk:Karmosin#Slovenian or Slovene. If anyone get's so easily confused by nonsense classification like "South" and then "Western", even if it's easy to check, there's clearly something wrong with that layout. The anon has, of course, auto-reverted at sight with the motivation "it looks ugly". It's annoying beyond belief. Could you lend a hand or something?
Peter Isotalo 07:16, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
I was thinking about writing a short article about the concept of spelman/pelimanni. The question is, what word should be the title. It's spelman in Swedish, pelimanni in Finnish, in Norwegian I honestly don't know nor do I know if they have the word in Danish... The concept is the same throughout the Nordic Folk genre. I don't really think there is a good, accepted term in English. My dictionary says "folk musician, fiddler" and neither is a good description - of course a spelman can be a fiddler, but (s)/he could also play accordeon, nyckelharpa etc.
When Swedish folk music is exported, as far as I can see they usually leave the concepts spelman/spelmansmusik out, and just talk about folk musik but this is less precise. Kulning, spilopipa, instruments made from cow's horns, and songs... these are Swedish folk music, but not "spelmansmusik". Finnish pelimanni music ( JPP etc) tend to mention the word pelimanni in their PR material when exported, maybe because Finland has several other strong folk music traditions that are not higly pelimanni related (kantele, rune chanting). Maybe "pelimanni" as a concept is more spread in English than "spelman?" Still, it this case to me it feels a bit odd to choose a Finnish word over the Scandinavian ones... I might be biased here, of course.
It's like, what ever title I choose for it it will be wrong. The least bad version, maybe, is to randomly pick either "spelman" or "pelimani" as the title, and make a redirect from the other version. Whoha, I have already written more text here than I suppose the first version of the article will be... comments are welcome. / Habj 11:10, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
Please reread the entry as you went into the page and tried to shut it down while it was being edited.
Might be a good idea to give any new page you see a fast glance AND THEN go back a day later before you make a snap judgment on deletions.
Please - not every edits everything at once.
This means extra work for many people who now have to write in and vote for the page to be saved.
Please, consider other people's work, and their time before you make snap decisions.
Uhhh, I'm out of my depth, here. First, I found out that the place I'm working has a library that has the new DNB. Is that good news? Well, yeah, sort of. The Gould entry, for example, is taken entirely from Sloane and from some uncited source. However, the thing here is that I wrote Robert Gould, and I got in a mess. Late, late, late in the article, there is a bit about his attempted tragedies. Rival Sisters is no problem. I've got that nailed. The question is Innocence Distress'd. He tried to hand it to Betterton and Barry, which was stupid, but he probably had no choice (probl because of his patron). Do I lie in the article? Any corrections appreciated, when time and energy permit. Geogre 19:47, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
See, that was the problem. I ended up lying with my own voice, there. The new DNB is pathetically brief with Gould. Everything they have is Sloan, of course, except for one "fact" I've never heard before -- that Gould was the "friend" of John Oldham. They merely say that Inocence Distress'd was never performed. I wanted to specify that the guy tried really hard to get it performed, that he tried, and he was furious when he was held to account for having pointed out what B&B's parents did for a living. So, there I was, trying to guess where he took it, and I don't know the theaters. In essence, then, you've already answered my question. It was The United Company, run more or less by Betterton. Gould reports that Barry had a lot to do with Betterton nixing the play, though he gives Betterton full credit for being (in his opinion) petty. In a way, RG might be a good eye witness to how much power she already had at the time, if not about his own works. Geogre 06:03, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
Google has the following citations of a term you call a "neologism".
Results 1 - 10 of about 5,490,000 for arts towns. (0.49 seconds)
The entry on arts towns has been expanded, and you are redirected to reappraise your vote for deletion of this article based on the materials that were included. Small towns in America have a very tough time attracting tourists, and there are at least 50,000 artists in these art towns in North America who earn a living based on tourism, and their works being known. Please support this work, and please realize that cutting flowers off before they grow is not likely to make a beautiful garden.
thank you.
Bish, thank you for your support, your kind words, and for my Tightrope Award, which now has pride of place on my user page, and which I'll treasure. I've put it next to the gun El C awarded me for when people are too heavy or too annoying for my shoulders. ;-D Best, SlimVirgin (talk) 21:08, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
A long time ago you gave me a certain award, "for all your great work". It's pretty and I treasure it. I don't know whether you have your own ideas about it and whether you have awarded it to others. I would like to give this award to a very small number of people, just one at first, who have humbled me with their grace. I am not capable of producing such pretty pictures myself, but I hope that the idea will strike you as a worthy one. I intend to pass on the torch as a recognition of greatness of spirit. Not mine to pass on, in all honesty, but perhaps a way by which we might encourage the best in one another. I would pass the award to someone who demonstrated graceful attributes that I could only aspire to. -- Tony Sidaway Talk 23:30, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
Oh, am I ever glad I caught you over on "recent changes!" User:Wiki brah is either developmentally disabled to the point of no return or a malicious Internet troll of the worst kind. Bish, I tried to be this guy's friend and all he's done is disrupt the site. One moment he can't type a coherent word, the next he claims to be high on cocaine. Take a look at his RfC page and please tell me I'm justified in yanking this account immediately: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Wiki brah. Thanks! - Lucky 6.9 02:28, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
I think I love you. I'm on the verge of a long wikivacation over this guy myself. Wave bye-bye to the nice troll. - Lucky 6.9 02:34, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
Bisgh, I am kind of mentally different and like to do things that people dont approve of necessarliy but how would you like it if you were locked in your parents big house all alone most of the time either with just a computer and a TV?? I DO have friends but they have to come over and see me most of the time and I can't go see THEM without supervision. If have some money from my parents but can't really live alone yet and I don't know when. So a lot of my time is just sitting here :( Now Lucky wants to banish me for doing drugs. Well what would you do if it was after midnight and you hadn't gone out in 2 days either? I"m sorry, do what you have to do but please try to undrestand me. Wiki brah 02:41, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
All done. I'm sorry to drag you into this, but this guy has been wreaking havoc for two weeks and goes for the sympathy card every time he's called out. Thanks for the support. I hope I've done the right thing and not overstepped my bounds. - Lucky 6.9 02:48, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
Bish, you are the best. I am so sorry to have dragged you into this, seeing as how I'm such a sap. :) Seriously, I hope not to take a fall and I'm sure you won't either. I just don't want a reputation as a "rogue administrator" because of this user's shenanigans. - Lucky 6.9 02:59, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps, but it would get in my moustache! Wokka-wokka! - Lucky 6.9 03:27, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
To make a permanent link to a LIBRIS post, click on "Länka till posten" (in the middle below the entry), and use the URL given on that page. You can link to a search result list the same way ("länka till träfflistan"). Uppland 13:30, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen,
just to let you know that the "consensus" and unprotection was reached when i was either gone or not paying attention. i fixed a few technical things (regarding the name of the relevant newsgroup, and a pointer to it). but i have to object to "Some claim it to be a hoax, while others claim it to be simply sloppy work plagued by errors, and some theoretical physicists think highly of their theories" as not reflecting accurately the bonafide position of the physics community. like Intelligent Design, there is very little debate regarding the quality of Bogdanoff's papers. more than 95% of theoretical physicists believe their "work" to be literally "bullshit". saying "Most physicists understand it to be a hoax or at least to be sloppy work plagued by numerous errors, while some theoretical physicists think highly of their theories." is granting a lot of consideration to the brothers. more than they deserve. r b-j 15:33, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
Hello again Bishonen. Could you please move Uppsala municipality to Uppsala Municipality? Thanks.
Fred- Chess 23:16, September 3, 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I was just reading your user page and thought maybe you might be interested in the vfd for Bifauxnen that I filed recently. Any comments would help. Thanks. — Tokek 03:46, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
Please block HelloMyNameis ( talk · contribs) / 202.156.2.58 ( talk · contribs) I have already reverted him three times on Åland ( history), where he has been adding nonsense on a war between Åland and Luxembourg in 1993. See this message on my talkpage for identity between username and IP. Oh, and another lovely message left on my talkpage here. Uppland 13:47, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi again. I think that all "x municipality" articles should be moved for conformity because we have decided to treat "X Municipality" as a administrative term and not as a translation of the name.
I think this can be safely done to all municipalities. City of Västerås -> Västerås Municipality.
Further: Kalmar municipality, Arjeplog municipality, Grästorp municipality, Götene municipality, Linköping municipality , Landskrona municipality, Norrköping municipality, Övertorneå municipality. Sorry to bother you correcting my mistakes, but I think it needs to be done at some time...
Fred- Chess 19:34, September 4, 2005 (UTC)
I see nothing essayish about Saleiri and Mozart, merely a revelation that the author is a cultivated, sophisticated, rather stylish and educated intellectual, with an appreciation of fine music.
Apart from that thank you for you valued support during this fraught difficult and troubled time of worry. Giano | talk 12:59, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
Well, I added the infamous passage to Robert Gould and put up an unedited Love Given O'er on Wikisource. The way I figure it, that just means fewer people will seek out the also totally unedited Grove reprint of the poem, "edited" by Felicity Nussbaum. It will increase the desire for an annotated version, and especially one that can compare the 1689 and 1709 versions. So...ha! (And, incidentally, I do not fret over charges of indecency, as the lines use clever dashes, so children will never figure out what's being described.) Geogre 02:37, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
In regards to a valuable contributor leaving (dare I say it) - as none of my contributions seem to be valued, it might not be only Giano who leaves. If you want to see how ridiculous this site is getting, have a look at the GNAA FAC and check out what Kosebame has written. He is objecting to the article reaching FA status because he says that the GNAA are only notable on Wikipedia! How one person can get things so wrong is beyond me.
As for standardising things: if we want the site to look and be as professional as the EB, some standardisation is going to have to happen. Looks like noone wants to do this, so it looks like we'll look like shit when it comes to presentation. - Ta bu shi da yu 07:14, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
You should take a look at this.
Peter Isotalo 09:52, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen, I don't know if you still remember, but once, a long time ago, you said to me "ain't nobody here but us chickens" ref. Well, I feel "lonely chicken" on this one, a new guideline I happen to think might be an asset to Wikipedia: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people). I see you're very busy, nonetheless I'd welcome any criticism (positive or negative) on the talk page of that proposed guideline! -- Francis Schonken 14:03, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
Before you sigh too loud, Bishonen, I'm not doing this for my own amusement, and secondly, it doesn't seem as though I have become an admin yet, so what can I do? :-)
Articles move request:
I was hesitant about Solna and Östra Göinge because we might warrant separate articles about those anyways, but this is not certain, and it would look wrong to have them in that format when every other article is not. The others I had missed in the list of municipalities.
Thanks again. // Peace Fred- Chess
At last ten minutes to return and have a look around, as usual I go away for five minutes and return to chaos. Why exactly is John Vanbrugh protected? - how many more have to make their feelings felt on that subject, and as for poor old Matthew Brettingham he is still languishing on FARC, and "Ta bu whatsit" who caused all the problems is flouncing around the encyclopedia like a second-rate prima donna in a tawdry tu tu declaring Garboesque he wants to be left alone, but still editing from a number which everyone know is him - all very confusing! Well, I think, he's jolly lucky no-one spotted him breaking the three revert rule on John Vanbrugh or he would be alone for a while. Did he leave for half an hour because of me or that horrible "Gay nigger thing", will one ever know - do you suppose? I'm back properly on Monday, so will pick the goats up then, give them a pat. Have fun. Giano | talk 06:31, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
I was just following some links and wondered why the fabulous User:Bishonen/European toilet paper holder had been deleted. It was a fabulous piece. Was it saved somewhere else ? Anthere
Hey Bishonen, its been a long time since I've had a moment to stop and chat with you on IRC. I want to make sure that everything is OK with you before I go on to ask you for your help. It seems that User:Karmosin has decided that since his proposal for the introparagraph of the Hong Kong article was rejected on the talk page, he is going to take the argument to articles for deletion. Would you mind going to take a look at the argument going on there about the article Pronunciation of Hong Kong? The argument is here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pronunciation of Hong Kong. Thank you! Páll (Die pienk olifant) 18:15, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
I would like to award you the Order of the Flaming, Dancing Hellpot for your ability to sniff out troublemakers (like our logo-loving friend from L.A.) and your willingness to send them where they belong. paul klenk 20:01, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
Interesting...more fun than the average Barnstar! Got your message, kiddo. Excellent idea. I'll mention it on the VfD for that current one. Some freaking vacation. :) - Lucky 6.9 02:40, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
Bish, in case you're wondering where the flaming hellpot came from, take a look at this page which I authored: New_York's_Village_Halloween_Parade paul klenk 15:00, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi there. Thought you might be interested to know that I've added a (very) little bit more information to this article, and a couple of useful links to talk. It might be possible to work up a better synopsis of the Phelps play from Google hits - it seems to be popular with am dram groups - but given the quality of the rest of this article, I'm reluctant to rely just on that. OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 08:33, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
Hi. I applogies for 'spamming' your talkpage like this, but some time ago you was helpfull with comments on one of 'my' other articles on old Norwegian rifles and I wondered if you might be interested in helping out peer reviewing the article on the Kammerlader. Thank you for your time. WegianWarrior 11:23, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi, Igor Bogdanov is (again) multi-reverting the page tonight... I'd guess it's time to block the page for some time on your last version. -- YBM 21:54, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
When have I trolled and made personal attacks recently? I beg to differ. If calling out admitted sockpuppets with sockpuppet warnings is trolling, then their is a serious issue with the system. Please provide someting showing that I was giving you justification for a block. Have a good day! 67.18.109.218 19:20, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
I was going to remove it before you send the message, but I was reading a message paul sent me via email, I will do that now. .::Imdaking::. Bow | Down! 21:56, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
All major credit cards accepted! The Godfather
Although I had not yet finished adding evidence, or making my case, the ArbCom has already closed it. So perhaps I shouldn't have bothered. Paul August ☎ 00:58, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for taking an interest in this. It's easy to feel like a lone voice in the wilderness. As an aside, while I'm sure IRC is a very useful tool, I really wish folks would try and conduct these kind of policy/procedural discussions in a more public place where all of us can participate, and where there is a public record, to which we all can refer. It kind of makes the rest of us feel like outsiders, and it enforces the perception (I hope wrong) that important decisions are being made in smoke-filled back rooms. Paul August ☎ 02:41, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Youre welcome, By the way, will the page be deleted, since it's uselwss now? .::Imdaking::. TLK | Y! 02:58, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
I'm a-looking, and I'm a-pondering. I'm not sure yet. Prolly tonight. Geogre 13:29, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Well, I waited 24 hr after her last complaint and added a paragraph on the talk page just to explain that the block keeps going. Now Bratsche's about to give up on helping her. If Nicholas sticks it out, he'll have earned his hermitage. I actually think this is not the run of the mill sort of trilingual misunderstanding followed by edit warring and a desire to poot in the punch. Geogre 13:54, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
Bish, if you, by any chance, are considering some punishment of Giano for the cruel, vile, wicked and villainous kid-napping, may I suggest a stint of forced labour on creating much-needed articles on Neo-Renaissance and Neo-Baroque? (The second one is just a redirect to Baroque.) -- Uppland 10:19, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
I see that you've scolded and warned User 67.18.109.218 for obnoxious behavior. This user made an unfounded "Sockpuppet" accusation and vandalized my User page. He/she should be blocked. -- AStanhope 17:23, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Re: User talk:Imdaking/Complaints: User:Imdaking seems to be behaving himeself for the time being, except for his initial outburst directed at User:Paul Klenk after the block period ended. If there will be no problem resurrecting the page if it is ever needed for an AFAr, then I have no objections to your deleting the page. Otherwise, I would say it might be better to blank it and then protect it again. PS: I appreciated your asking me. BlankVerse ∅ 18:49, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
Pleas expand here [6] it's more or less your subject (well, actually it's not, bit I'm sure you can invent something suitable) if you do I'll let you have some of the glory when it's an FA. You can also copy edit the lot if you like, I'm away for most of the day! You are kind! Giano | talk 06:57, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
You haven't commented. If it is OK, then I will remove the request on SWNB to do list. Regards, Fred- Chess 20:34, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
You like them, don't you? :-P -- WikiFanatic
Thankyou for the copy edit; I note your interest in the sanitation; but are you sure you don't know anything about classical Italian theatre costume, surely you must know something - anything at a;; will do. Its got to be much longer before it can be an FA - you don't think it reads like an essay do you? Giano | talk 16:06, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
I dont know why you are very unfirnednly to me I mean I am just doing my best but you are always calling my templates "rubbish" which is not very nice and quite unecessarily caustic. Just look at this one I spend a lot of time on:
If nothing else aren't the colors nice and pretty? I love clors and making and designing one day I might want to design women's clothse and shoes. I'd make some for you if you want! Dlo you want wedge heels or the traditional one with your platforms. What color? Open toe for sure I'd dsay. Wiki brah 16:35, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
Ahem, then please explain this: "his specialty is creating lots of rubbish stubs and templates, which get deleted and disappear from the list." here That is you saying something about my templates. Is it not? Please explain your last statement. Wiki brah 16:58, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
No. I was expecting that, change what you like in that respect, we, are destined to have to live, by others' city and country definitions, I've thought about moving the page to Palazzo Pitti, what do you think of that? Or would that be too hard for those few tourists brave enough to visit Europe. Great copy edit, I've made a few changes accordingly, d'you think it nees to be longer - aso i think there is too little on the museume etc, do you think the minor ones neeed rounding up under one banner? PS: Are tickets to Brazil very expensive - it sounds like my kind of place. Giano | talk 18:32, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
take credit for rewrites much. :-) Cf. before and after Richard Blackmore -- I got to the DNB today is all, and I noticed a thing or two interpretive that explains a thing or two about him. Geogre 01:01, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
Hehe—thanks, Bishonen and Chris, for your sharp eyes. I did find it pretty amusing, though. It looks like User:Iasson was upset that I blocked User:Bank Able today. At least this was more creative than the tired old user-page vandalism. And this is my first real impostor! — Knowledge Seeker দ 05:17, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
I could cope with the removal of the expansion to point 6 (what not to write at the top of a nomination), but I will argue strongly that the additional signpost in point 1, concerning the need to have nominations copy edited thoroughly beforehand, should stay. Substandard prose was becoming a serious problem in the nominations, and I think (although I'm not certain) that the problem has lessened since the recent expansion of point 1. Clearly, nominators either had a distorted sense of the standards that apply ('compelling, even brilliant' prose) or weren't reading the criteria.
As a contributor who has put a lot of time and effort into trying to raise the standards of prose in the nominations, I thought that something needed to be done. When I comment on poor prose in nominations, I feel I need either to roll my sleeves up and fix it myself, or quote several examples and pull them apart; it's a lot of work. That is why I acted, and no one has since complained. I wouldn't mind if the italic highlighting in point 1 were softened to roman. Tony 00:48, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen, thanks for your message; I've interpolated my responses into it. I hope you don't mind my pasting our dialogue into the FAC discussion page.
Tony, I appreciate your good intentions and the urgency that made you expand the instructions. But I do think it's bloat to add specifics on one aspect of one of the (many) criteria, right next to the link to the criteria themselves. Nominators need to either make very sure to click on that link, or else several other specially important points need to be mentioned up front (which I'm against, as creating more bloat). I'm pretty sure lack of references, for instance, is as frequent a problem as lack of copyediting.
Perhaps you might edit the criteria page further instead (I see you already did), to emphasize the need for copyediting?
Though I also stand by my remark about it looking condescending to tell everybody to go get somebody else to copyedit before nominating. Wouldn't you agree that there are articles that are good to go directly from the hands of the author/s/..?
My overriding concern is that the instructions be kept simple and practical. Following Bishonen's Law, they will naturally tend to be always growing, as people add their own special concerns over time, while hardly anybody ever removes anything. I know Raul654 agrees with me in general, in fact it's Raul's ruthless pruning that has kept the FAC instructions so nice and simple compared to those of Peer Review. It wasn't very long since you made the additions, so it's possible that no one complained because no one noticed yet; the longer the instructions are, the more cursorily they'll probably be read, that's the problem.
I've also helped raise the standards of prose on WP:FAC, both before and after articles are nominated. For instance, some teenagers have caught a habit of asking my help on IRC ("Bish, u r a grammar nazi, will u proofread my FAC?" :-) No, I haven't heard more of those pleas since you made your changes). I've authored a number of FAs myself, see e. g. The Country Wife and its vote if you're interested. Best wishes, Bishonen | talk 08:17, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Tony 09:34, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
I am really at my wits end with this guy. Bish, would you please keep an eye on the page Los_Angeles_Department_of_Transportation, and its author Imdaking. It is a clear copyvio, and I have now blanked the content. Imdaking is challenging that it was ever placed there, and says the tag will be removed.
I even got a note from Pacific Coast Highway telling me I hadn't reported it correctly. I took his word for it. Now, I see that it's been on the copyright problem page since Sept. 12.
I will also notify Lucky. paul klenk talk 03:14, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
"I also notified luky." -- .::Imdaking::. Bow | DOWN 03:41, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Actually, I think this may all be a simple mistake. I'm assuming that Imdaking may have thought that just because the info came from a municipal government site that it was public domain. Just my two cents' worth. - Lucky 6.9 03:44, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Fvw, check your wikipedia e-mail, please? Bishonen | talk 09:33, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Sure thing, done. Tony 14:51, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Check now! Hmph! Giano | talk 15:42, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
I should go to bed rather than bother you. But I would appreciate a release of the following block -- different AOL IP number again. Thanks. WBardwin 06:20, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
Your user name or IP address has been blocked by Jtkiefer. The reason given is this: vandalism Your IP address is 64.12.116.139.
Due to the sudden, and numerous, increases in template traffic and activity; It has occurred to me to create a template of my own to indicate the numerous pages I have edited, or am thinking of editing, or indeed have read or stumbled upon by chance. In this way I can have my name prominently displayed numerously all over the site, and on even more history files, my edit count will rise, and eventually lead to my own talk page bearing the template "Notable Wikipedian" - a template incidentally for which I am long overdue. It occurred to me you may like to comment on the design of this momentous template, I am thinking of a small cameo foto of me taken on my last beach holiday to Ibiza (a rather flattering foto, as I was 19 at the time) accompanied by the legend "Giano woz here!" In this way other editors can wait with excitement and bated breath for even more numerous appearances of my flowing golden text and frequently punctuating punctuation. I give you the opportunity to be part of this exiting new project as your talk page will be the first to bear this large, colourful and informative template. Giano | talk 06:51, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
banana banana banana banana banana banana banana Bishonen | talk 16:04, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
What is? The Cherry Orchard, or a person? Geogre 19:04, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
Take it easy eh? :-) Don't try solve stuff by yourself, always drag as many folks down with you as possible ask other people for help! :-) You're starting to sound a little wikiburnoutish though. Take it easy, I'd hate to see you have to take a long wikibreak ^^;;
Kim Bruning 00:51, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
P.S. Here is a picture of a goat, though it may soon be deleted. So, enjoy it while it's yes! Best wishes, El_C 01:18, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen. I hope you can help me on this... You appear to have some languistical skills, so I come to ask you about changes user 81.109.252.129 made on September 27 (today) that caught my watchlist. Do you know if the expression "died" to be preferred for "passed away" (Such as in this instance)? Fred- Chess 15:10, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
As I feared, Hiding auto-reverted my move of American comic book to American comics without any attempt to support his views with references or the likes. He made a post at my talkpage about it without any further argumentation, but with a claim that consensus had already been reached about this issue at WP:CMC.
The current contrived separation of "American comic book" and "British comic" will make any attempt to expand the articles very hard. Some kind of help would be appreciated.
Peter Isotalo 17:40, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
Well, I found out that Angus Ross wrote the article on John Arbuthnot for the new DNB. How could I resist using it as my reference work for totally rewriting that article? At least it now tells us something, like how to get a Ph.D. in a single day. Geogre 00:27, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
I've seen autoblocks of your requested block come by a few times. Are you sure that the user has a static IP he isn't sharing with anyone else? Otherwise this could be blocking innocent editors. -- fvw * 00:43, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen!
I'm writing this message to you because you are one of the editors who supported Nafaanra language on its way to become a Featured Article. Back in February, quite a few of you asked for sound recordings. I am really excited to let you know that User:Alafo, who came across Wikipedia when googling for Nafaanra, the native language of his wife, has provided us with some fine recordings of the language. I have just added them to the article so that all of us can enjoy the sounds of Nafaanra from Ghana. Kind regards, — mark ✎ 10:45, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for that, I had completely forgotten I had already done him, untill I eloborated him, he's very important to my masterpeice. Do you know how to make it clear it's a sub-page, as he and some others are all part of my theme. I've some wonderful portraits - but wiki has had that - bloody info box, it's like a downmarket Sunday tabloid. Did you see ALoan@s link - that was actually very funny! Very funny indeed. What a nice little goat - is she lonely here? Giano | talk 20:35, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen. Now that the people have started to delete images, I thought I could finally get some of my orphans deleted, images I moved to commons a long time ago. So I started tagging them with "no source", since admins seem ruthlessly happy with deleting those.
But then I remembered that I know two admins who might do that for me even faster. A little embarrising to have to ask you all the time though. I would do it myself, but I still don't seem to have become admin.
Here are my orphans.
Fred- Chess 20:31, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
You have violated the spirit of Wikipedia:Edit summary - "edit summaries are not the place to carry on debates or negotiation over the content. Doing this will actually exacerbate the situation, because it naturally encourages the other party to respond in the same manner". In other words, describe your EDIT, don't converse with other EDITORS.
Now then, are you reverting me out of spite? Rivarez is a sock puppet of Wik. You're encouraging him by edit warring. -- Netoholic @ 05:07, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
To add a personal note, keep in mind that edit summaries travel as a permanent record along with the article. Internal Wikipedia bickering is inappropriate use of the edit summary. It's also the one thing on Wikipedia you cannot undo. -- Netoholic @ 05:13, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
I hope you are not too upset about the above edit. Here is the second batch of orphaned jpg COA: Image:Bromölla City Arms.jpg, Image:Surahammar City Arms.jpg, Image:Sorsele City Arms.jpg, Image:Perstorp City Arms.jpg, Image:Piteå City Arms.jpg, Image:Gotland City Arms.jpg.
// Thanks. Fred- Chess 20:21, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
I did receive it, Bishonen.
Thank you, and check you mailbox! Big hugs,
Shauri
Yes babe? 02:35, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Good morning Bishonen,
Thank you for your advise regarding the photo. I just inserted the requested tag on the description page. Hope I did it correctly. Let me know if there is a problem. Thank you again for your kind help which really helped us to achieve a balanced article. Your different posts and interventions were of great influence on its present state. Best to you, Igor
...has been memorialized at the bottom of this page. paul klenk talk
Have the Ed Poor Memorial Crazy Bastard Audacious Action Barnstar for your work to quieten down this idiotic conflict -
David Gerard 18:11, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Actually quite a good job ! Meanwhile, User:Igor B. have just violated the 3RR rule :
-- YBM 18:07, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
Indeed I have not (always prompt to denonciate people, as usual, YBM).
The confusion comes from the fact that Grichka (my brothers) is away from Paris at the moment. During his travels, he plugs in his "PC Card" on his laptop and access network. Since he did not follow the last developements of our conversations, he does not know that he should log in under his name before posting. I will contact him tonight by phone and tell him that. If I did not do it before it is because, frankly, I thought that we had reached an agreement and that the article would not be subject to anymore changes. Helas! it was without counting YBM and his friend RBJ. As I wrote on the article page, I do not think that they are concerned by the common objective to reach a good article. There is something else in their action : desire to destroy? pleasure to "dominate us"? Ego problems? I don't know. But I know that as long as they do not understand the definition of what a "good article" should lool like (which does not mean a positive article about us) and accept the rules of Wikipedia, we will not reach any consensus.
Igor
I am ready for any improvement of the article, of course. But not for "blind addition" of negative quotes (as YBM and RBJ already did). We do have a major difficulty here. Either we merely suppress these citations (and we are entering the terrible "revert game"), or we add "positive" citations to balance the global content of the article. But this solution (endless addition of citations) will end up in a long collection of phrases and "anti phrases" which will loose everyone. Instead of gaining in clarity, the article will on the contrary become quite long and confusing.
What is your feeling? Is there a way to contain the "flud of citations" wanted by rbj and ybm?
Igor
Good morning,
I just added some more "positive" comments in reaction to all the "negative" material collected by rbj. As I said, I do not think that it is a good idea to put together all these comments. I have 2 remarks and one proposal.
Remark : Rbj is now obliged to collect private emails (ie the one between the journalist Fabien Besnard and Urs Schreiber) in order to feed his "negative" tank. How far can we go like this? I observe that, at this point, we have far more "positive" (and argumented) material (it all comes from scientific discussions or reports made by mathematicians or physicists about our work) than rbj. If we continue like this, his material will come from YBM and other "internet anti Bogdas" that are haunting various forums. I really do not think that this will improve the article, far from it. As it is today, this article is really less good and clear than yesterday. Does rbj really care about it? Does Ybm care about it? I do not think so. Their only aim is to hit their target, by all means. As soon as we try to have a scientific discussion (ie our last answer to Lubos Motl on the discussion page) they promptly invent another pseudo to pollute this discussion with the same old "rengaines".
Proposal : I propose to come back to the version we achieved yesterday (with only the 3 "positive" additions to the 3 "negative" rbj's). At this point, every Wiki reader would have understood the controversial content of the "affair. This wayn the article would still be clear and readable.
What is your opinion?
Best regards to you,
Igor
How is an editor supposed to react in front of such a conduct ? -- YBM 22:42, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, appreciate you watching out for me. WBardwin 01:54, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
Check out Bathos. Maybe I'm too close to the article, but what's there now just seems...wrong. I have unkind words to say on the talk page, but it's not even about that. It just seems...broken. Geogre 03:26, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
That's what I mean. It opens now in the middle of things, tosses about pop culture willy nilly, and then screws up the definition. Arguably, the anon meant to be 19th century clever with that allusion to Dunciad, but it's just...weird. I don't want to do the rewrite, as it would look like reversion, and, as I said on the talk page, it's not that all the stuff is worthless. It's just kind of unusable and absolutely misplaced. (For a different example of why Wikipedia is doomed to misinform the world, see Weland. It's all a Wiglaf-like run through the dry slopes of Norse mythology, and then, without any warning at all, it's a comic book discussion placed on the same level of priority.) Geogre 20:21, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
BTW, I'm not trying to be difficult here, but you may or may not feel like doing the rewrite on Bathos, but do you know of anyone else I could ask? Would anyone else get why the article is messed up? Do you think it wouldn't look like stomping on newbies if I did it? (I really don't want to, because I'd delete a lot of the new stuff.) Geogre 20:23, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
It is. "Bathos" is an insult for a bad author who "sinks" when he attempts the sublime. Pope coined the term to suggest something deeper than the profound. He used the term to make fun of Philips and Cibber, and he picked out their worst lines as examples. Particularly, it occurs when the author doesn't realize that his comparison is so jarring as to be stupid or so indecorous as to be illegal (the comparison of God with a chamber maid in "God swept the clouds from the sky"). When the very lofty is done in a very low setting, you get bathos, but it has to be something performed with sincerity. That's why the Children's Theater production of Oedipus Rex is a perfect example: the little tykes are trying their best, but a 12 year old mouthing Sophocles is too much for the mind to bear without laughing. What bathos isn't is the conscious technique of undercutting that all our favorite poets used excessively. Pope, in particular, even did it with his rhymes, so that one line's rhyme with the next would imply an undercutting comparison. When Kierkegaard said that "the loss of an arm, a leg, or a wife" would be more noticed that the loss of a soul, he was being clever. When my student said, "A person could be mugged, murdered, or even raped!" she was being bathetic, but the deflation in series is really a cheap example (which is one why all that stuff at the opening is doubly silly). The biggest thing is that it's a pejorative. You'd never use it for Rape of the Lock or Description of a City Shower or London or Trivia, and yet all of those use a lot of undercutting and conscious comparison of the high with the low. Geogre 01:48, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
I guess I'll do the rewrite in a day or two. Right now, I'm watching a
FAC debate. I don't have much pride of authorship with it, but I do want it to succeed all the same, because I can't foresee its getting promoted without a nomination or its getting much better organically in less than 5 years.
Geogre 01:51, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments. I was the one who wrote the paragraphs. Sorry I forgot to sign. Kindly check my new comments. Marax 07:21, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
"Tickler file" is a generic term to refer to any list one keeps of reminders of things that will need to be attended to in the future. There is no feature in Wikipedia called "tickler file". But, you could create a subpage off your user page to keep a list of such things for your own periodic review. -- Durin 13:28, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen, I just completed a project I started on Saturday. I had help from fifteen translators. To see it, click on the first item in the row below. This menu will follow you from page to page. Follow the arrows from link to link. Have fun.
paul klenk talk 00:08, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Wow, you're one international Wikipedian. Glad you liked the cheese (it wasn't from JRM, actually). Flaming, dancing Bishonen, 17:18, 5 October 2005 (UTC).
I get Kappa trying to prove that voting "keep" without regard to an article's contents is good, and you get XAL and YBM. <sigh>
Thanks for the compliment on Arbuthnot. I think, looking back on it, that it's slightly too chrnological and could benefit from more shaping (which would free it more from the DNB without letting it fall into the POV-trap of 1911). Swift knew that Arbuthnot was fat (and got fatter; he looks fine in his portrait, but at the end of his life he was quite overweight) and consequently waddled, so mentioning the waddle was a way of politely not mentioning the obesity, I think. I love what you're doing with The Relapse. Just call, if you want any help there. My own (pathetic) Peterborough Chronicle is getting improved while on FAC by the voters, which is a rare and wonderful thing. I really did nominate it early, but I wanted to get a medieval lit. FA on the boards and knew that I wouldn't be able to get Ormulum up to snuff for a while (if ever; there just isn't much to say about it, while Peterborough has a ripping yarn in it).
Macheath found a Swedish toy that had been lost in my car since North Carolina today, and I have had to hear it all day. (The toy was stowed in the car during a move and never dug out from under the seat until the repo man came. It was rescued after the reclamation from the repossession.) Geogre 02:51, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Just wanted to say thanks for the Norwegian and Danish terms. Did you know them, or searched for them? I finally ended up on speleman - one of the Norwegian versions of the word, that also is very common in Swedish. speleman music Maybe someone comes up with a more generally accepted English term, if there is one, later.
It will be interesting to see if someone with more detailed knowledge on the subject turns up. What I can contribute will, for natural reasons, be pretty Sweden-biassed although it is obvious that this subject is better handled from a Nordic, rather than a Swedish, Danish etc. perspective. Do you know if there is a space at enwiki where people who are interested in music (other than pop and rock) meet?
Actually, it is fun that there is a field where English Wikipedia doesn't already have all the articles. :-) I sometimes get the impression I can not do much here... / Habj 16:23, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Forget for a minute the long-winded explanation on my talk page. Does the text of the article now explain why Winchester Cathedral is linked, or did I misunderstand the question? Geogre 21:22, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Hang on. You're not expecting me to be responsible for Winchester Cathedral being poor, are you? When JRM unpacks for a print version, that print version doesn't exist yet, and most of the time people pipe the references, it's to get grammatical agreement in the sentence, so unpacking makes little sense to me. The flaw is in the print version, not the smooth-reading online version, and I don't think we should be sacrificing readability to prevent some hypothetical problem. "This place's chronicle was a copy of that place's" is the sense of my sentence, and I think there would be overuse of "chronicle" to unpack the prep. object. As for the Winchester Cathedral article having no #History section that covers its importance as a medieval center of learning, that's something that can be fixed. The link is so that folks can know what I mean when I say "Winchester's": I don't mean the town of Winchester's or a guy named Winchester's, but the cathedral at Winchester's. The "easter egg" does count, since anyone clicking on that link would find Winchester Cathedral, which was built just after the Conquest, and which took over from an older abbey (and that's in the article). It would be great if there were a Winchester Chronicle article, but that's a bit too esoteric. The Winchester Chronicle is remarkable mainly as being the best one for the early accounts and being terribly commonly copied by other houses. Its Anglo-Saxon is standard and unremarkable, and it stops at the Conquest, so there isn't much to say about it. Further, it's not one of the ones with remarkable and unique material in it (e.g. Battle of Brunanburgh or the little sermons interposed or the accounts of marvels). It's a very respectable, restrained chronicle, which is what makes it kind of dull and not worth writing about except as a component of Anglo-Saxon Chronicle. Geogre 01:00, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
BTW, "the Winchester Chronicle" is usually called "The Parker Chronicle," because Matthew Parker owned it after the monastic break up. "The four chronicles recognized as distinct are called the Winchester Chronicle, the Abingdon Chronicle, the Worcester Chronicle, and the Peterborough Chronicle." Wikipedia has articles on only Peterborough and Anglo-Saxon Chronicle. Lacking a chance to refer to an article on Parker Chronicle (which would also need a pipe, because they wouldn't understand the geographical reference of Winchester Cathedral from the name used today for it), there are only two places I could refer: Anglo-Saxon Chronicle or Winchester Cathedral. Geogre 01:10, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
I noticed that Aaron Breneman says that rhyming couplet insults will be treasured. Well, heck, that's easy for anyone who reads Dryden and Pope every week. :-) (No, no insults, but it was fun to attempt pentameter couplets...sometimes iambic and sometimes not.) Geogre 14:57, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
My dear Bishonen: I wanted to thank you very much for your support of my RfA candidacy. I feel privileged to count you amongst my friends on Wikipedia, and I feel honoured that so many people whom I respect have volunteered their support and kind words. Your support, friendship, and assistance (especially with the Bogdanov Saga) is, as always, a true asset, and one that I am not sure I could do without on Wikipedia; for that alone I owe you immense gratitude. I do hope that I shall be a good skipper of HMS Adminship, and I promise to sail her as best I can through both calm seas and rolling, tempestuous storms. Once again, thank you, my dear. I shall speak to you on IRC. Yours, -- NicholasTurnbull | (talk) (e-mail) (cabal) 03:36, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, Bishonen, for taking time to write comments (for a record third time) on the Opus Dei page. I've just modified the introduction of the article to incorporate your suggestions and proposed to the guys there a possible solution to the issue. I will also explore other ways to incorporate the "other POVs" more explicitly in other parts of the article. Again, my sincerest thanks, for you have been so kind. :-) Best wishes! Marax 07:00, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
Its too long? There's another section on interiors to go yet! I don't want to chop any out, I've already done 10 sub pages! Giano | talk 09:29, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
This one's cheesy, but I did write Redwolf's ode. Geogre 13:17, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
for the congrats. I was noticing that FA's were getting shorter and shorter and shorter, so I figured that PC, about which nothing much more could be said without getting into philology (which would be as fun for the general reader as going through the strengths of covalent bonds in a chemistry article is), would work. I appreciate the help and apologize for the prickliness. Geogre 19:23, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi, just discovered this. Are you interested in helping it along, as nothing much seems to be happening with it? Geogre? Anyone else watching? Filiocht | The kettle's on 09:12, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
Because they should be... A Link to the Past brought you up as someone who supported trimming List of Wario games down. I'd appreciate it if you could voice your opinion at Talk:List of Wario games, since a fair few users (myself included) have some objections to trimming that list. - A Man In Black ( conspire | past ops) 21:14, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
It appeareth that Colley Cibber will be widely seen on one of the 50 top web sites in the world on October 18, 2005. Congratulations to its author! Geogre 14:29, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
What's a Sic bar? Sic transit gloria mundi? I've been to some really shady bars before, and some of them were kind of unhealthy, but I'm not sure any were sic. So, once more, with feeling: Bishonen, your Colley Cibber article is going to be on the main page next week. There. Oh, and Congratulations on that, and brace yourself for a thousand tiny helping hands on it. Geogre 01:38, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
You know, I think about it more and more.
See, Wikipedia propagates through a zillion mirrors. It gets all over the world. So did Charles Gildon. Gildon spread his lies through 2-3 centuries of biographies and textbooks by lazy editors and authors and by the unfortunate. It would be justice to fictionalize a sentence or two in the bio. It would not be "WP:POINT," as some would accuse me of, but 18th:POINT or Lit:POINT. It would be a little poetic justice. How about giving him a love affair with a black African in Antwerp?
At any rate, if you like getting in the middle of wiki-controversies and abuse of admin powers and the like, then look at Talk:Manichaeism, where I may end up in a revert tiff with an anonymous coward (Mr. IP Freely) who is fairly obviously a true believer of some revival of this cult. He generally left my edits to the article alone, but he removed one sentence. Weirdly, it was a sentence that made his people look good, not bad, but I'm not sure that his reading skills are all that great. I reverted his removal of that sentence. If he removes it again, I'll revert that again. Anyway, just a heads up on that. (Also, on Talk:Manichaeism I issued one of those "go play in traffic" dismissals that can only make him angry. I'm sorry, but once it became clear that I was corresopnding not just with a heretic, but a person trying to be a heretic revivalist (how bizarre is that...ransacking history to find a heresy to support?), I figured that he wasn't at the article to write a history, but to express a view. There wasn't going to be any good coming of further dialog, so a dismissal was the kindest thing possible.) Geogre 02:30, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
I jusst wante to let you know I'm back home now and just hopping everything is going all right with you. If you have any qusetions just let me know honey. Wiki brah 03:40, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
This time it's at talk:skånska#Requested move. I'm hoping people are actually going to understand my arguments, but it would be nice to have some support if violet/riga comes along demanding to get her paragrafrytteri-thang done.
Peter Isotalo 02:57, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Talk:Skånska#Requested moved I have altered single "first past the post" vote to approval voting so that we can try to reach a consensus. Please check that your vote still reflects your position as I may have misunderstood your voting intentions or you may wish to vote for more than one proposal. Philip Baird Shearer 22:03, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
The redirect wasn't nonsensical as you claim. Yu-gi-Oh! is gay...I remember last summer, everyone was so OBSESSED with it...and the show lays a turd. So yeah, that was dumb. Sorry. But I didn't know that making something a redirect blanked it!
There is some fun erupting on my talk page that requires literature, pop culture, and, optionally, Wikipersonae. Geogre 18:21, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi, can you put a block on this user? They have continued to vandalise since your "This is your final warning" warning, see for example calcium chloride. I don't know the procedure for requesting a block, but this person is quite persistent. Thanks, Walkerma 18:35, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to come here only for the fun things, but here I am again asking for a special favour.
There has been some anonymous uncautious editing to republic:
There's this other user who first thought I had done the "damage", but I quickly made him see that wasn't the case, so we both agreed to go and look for an admin capable to revert to the earlier version, before the selective delete.
So if you feel like it (or could point me to the proper procedure for such questions), would it be possible to revert to the version by user:MONGO, 07:50, 12 October 2005 (that is this version) - MONGO had apparently reverted the first attempt at section deleting by 213.202.183.129, but not the next one. -- Francis Schonken 21:12, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Re: [9] That's understandable. The more important matter, I suppose, is preventing the misuse of the "dubious templates." Their use would set a bad precedent for misusing the tools meant to flag unverified information in articles as tools in flame wars in the Wikipedia and Talk namespaces. Thanks for your consideration. 172 | Talk 12:04, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
I just got your note on my talk page. In order to avoid the crossfire (and further charges of "immorality," "abuses of power," and "deleting evidence"), I no longer want to make any edits to the VfU discussion. But I trust you to delete or modify any of my comments as you see fit. Thanks again for the consideration. 172 | Talk 12:36, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
I appreciate your intent, and explanation on VfU, and I probably would not have objected to the <personal attack removed> if it had not seemed so conclusive and condemnatory (.e.g., presuming to be judge and jury). Something less conclusive such as <rm alleged personal attack> or <rm possible personal attack>, that would have suggested to the readers that they should make their own judgements, would probably have been fine. I am satisfied with the current state, because the readers are at least made aware that there is a record/history to be investigated.
As to the specific comment which seems to concern you the most, there is a history between 172 and me that justifies most of it (he was territorial about certain articles in which he largely painted post Stalin soviet leaders as reformers, and barely documented the continued oppressive nature of the regimes). The part where I extrapolate to his possible personal life, is of course, speculative. I admit that it is entirely possible that in his personal life he is a complete Milquetoast, and would never cross any questionable lines, and his behavior here is just a manifestation of the breakdown in of moral restraint that occurs under the cloak of anonimity. But by speculating in this way, I hoped to convict his conscience with what others might conclude from his behavior. He seems to be immune to this however.
As to the use of the "dubious" template, I don't see where it is a misuse of it at all, although I wish that it was a little less intrusive in the text by referring to the talk page, which of course required an explanation there. In retrospect, perhaps just editing the <personal attack removed> to the "alleged" or "possible" would have been less intrusive. Would you have objected to that?-- Silverback 13:41, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
My dear Bishonen, next time you enforce the PRA guideline, would you mind linking diffs in the <remove personal attack> field? I think it would really prove a timesaver, so one can evaluate their relative intensity (or lack thereof) without digging into the revision history. Love, El_C 17:37, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi. A RfC has been started on Silverback. You were quoted a few times in Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Silverback. Apologies in advance if this leads to more unwanted hassle on your part. Thank you for the help so far. 172 | Talk 17:32, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks again, and thanks for the certification. I only now noticed that I asked some people about cosigning but not others. That was completely random on my part; for some reason I guess didn't remember to ask about cosigning each time. To answer your question, more than 2 cosigners is fine. Also, please feel free to keep a low profile on the page so as to avoid any further difficulties involving the situation. 172 | Talk 19:48, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
Well, if you've been following the literary game on my user talk page, you'll have spotted a nice roman a clef. (Well, I think it's witty, but what do I know?)
Also, Conquest of Granada got vandalized again in a minor way. What these people have against John Dryden is happily beyond me. I fear that if I understood why they do it, I'd be deranged, instead of merely crazy. Geogre 19:19, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
Wow, you lock the page without justification for your actions. Get a life, and a clue, and lose some weight while you're at it. 67.18.109.218 00:51, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
Cheers, Bishonen. I don't see any reason to rush to unblock the page. Obviously some tempers need time to cool. TenOfAllTrades( talk) 01:08, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
Hey, this time I actually tried moving it myself. Could you move Sinhala to Sinhalese language? I've checked EB and they use "Sinhalese" for Sinhalese people and "Sinhalese language" for Sinhala. The latter seems to be the native name.
Peter Isotalo 12:04, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
So, basically, I agree with the essential assertions of fact on an RfC, but I'm not certifying the request. Further, I have a firm belief that RfC's should not specify sanctions -- that's an ArbCom task -- but should only specify the next step ("refer to arbitration" or "refer to mediation" or "refer to Dr. Demento"). So, where do I sign, if there is no place to sign that says, "Agree with the assertion of fact but not with the various answers?" Geogre 12:04, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
Well, I agree with the facts. Dunno what to do about it. Yeah, I guess "Those endorsing the above summary" would be the spot I'm looking for. I'll look again. Meanwhile, I have to figure out something to write about. I guess Edmund Curll, as his article is rotten, and there could even be a way of being fair to him (maybe). That and researching up Ormulum, but I don't know where I can find the time and well-being for it. Geogre 14:40, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
Sorry no interest to me, I'm not from those parts. You need to find some Italian guy to take a parental interest. Seems like a bit of a rubbish page though considereing it is the "cradle of civilization". Doesn't Geogre have any latin blood? Giano | talk 17:13, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
MAIL!
Here it comes, man. I haven't gotten a helper yet, but I will, and so will you. That'll stop your relapse into editing (instead of watching people bicker). Speaking of which, I'm about done with Ormulum now. It's amazing what a few hours in the liberry can do. It's even more amusing that there is another editor of Ormulum -- perhaps the dullest book ever written (see talk:Ormulum). A few rearrangements of the lead, and I'll FAC it. I've done my time with long, well illustrated articles. I'm due a couple of short ones on boring subjects. (Peterborough isn't boring in what it talks about, but I made it seem a lot more coherent and comprehensible in my article than it is. Such is a duty of an encyclopedist, though.) I'm shocked to death to find that I found four or five sources for Ormulum. Really, it is dull. I mean dull. I mean autolobotomy dull. Geogre 01:54, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your seeing and responding to the junk. Yup when I do the random article trick, at least there are 8 out of 6 (!) US geography articles for every hamlet that ever had a name (ok I'm australian) and at least one 'sneak' self promoting art. I really appreciate your advice, I can now see some zap power for these guys who write a page about themselves just to see how long it stays there(?) and the bleeding obvious repeated vandal inserts. Ta vcxlor 05:02, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
Congratulations - how nice to see an interesting and well written article gracing the front page. Your many talents never fail to amaze me. Thank you Bishonen for all you do for Wikipedia both seen and unseen. You're a star. Giano | talk 06:22, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
SlimVirgin offered to delete it. I don't want it deleted. It is evidence of bad faith behavior by its initiator. The ArbCom has now accepted my RfAr against its non-existent author. Thank you for your support. Maybe it should be archived, but not deleted. If you have studied computer science, I will explain how deleting anything may raise issues of referential integrity. If not, then please try to understand that I might have a point. If disk space is cheap, nothing should ever be deleted, but some things should be hidden or masked. Robert McClenon 01:10, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
thanks for the edits, that does seem a better layout. What do you think, can you understand it, does it make sense - is it finished? can't log in for some reason Giano
emailed back. I'm about through with it, and want it finished and wrapped up. Thanks Giano | talk 16:02, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the copyedit, that looks a lot better, I'll just tweak a little when you've finished, let me know when you want to go in again. Have a nice day Giano | talk 07:34, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
The Baroque would have many baroque artworks (noun vs. adjective) would be my guess. I don't Capitalize with perfect Regularity, because I read 18th century Literature. Geogre 18:52, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Hello Campers! we Sicilians love all tourist, its a wonderful place, the sun shines all day, we haven't had an earthquake for yonks, and Etna is so well behaved she's just a pussy cat. We are all warm and friendly. You don't have to be rich we love the poor tourists too - just come, a warm welcome in the sun is assured" PS I've just sent a short email dearest Bishonen. Giano | talk 19:35, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
Why I don't sign off:
Anyway, that's why I'm not getting into the insult RfC's. Geogre 21:20, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Yes, "disruption" is vague, but I think it's far more empirical than "personal attack." They both require interpretation, but the latter is a question of affect, and the former is one of effect. We can pretty easily figure out if some monkey's antics have caused that monkey to stop doing anything useful and/or caused others to do less useful stuff. That's why I brought up Yodler and Sophie. They were both time sinks for everyone else, and neither of them wrote anything of serious worth. Most of the former's edits were removing things he didn't like, and all of the latter's edits were Mobius strip comments. On the other hand, Tuba saying that Giano had attacked him (when Giano had very much baited him but not attacked him) led to a lot of smoke and hostility, but nothing was decided. He has a lot of friends, and so the comments and "votes" on wp:an/i and elsewhere were all about emotions and not about statements, intent, etc. I think that any editor whose work leads to folks talking about the edits instead of the subject of them is, to some small degree, disrupting, and this includes those who protest as well as those who provoke. This is why I've always had some sympathy with the "act definitively" sentiment and with the idea of a greater hierarchy of power. It's only some sympathy, though, and not agreement. Geogre 14:05, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure what I was thinking with that first change you mentioned. I meant to write something else, but my fingers typed that instead. As for the split infinitives, I understand and will try to avoid needless infinitive unsplitting. — BRIAN 0918 • 2005-10-23 02:59
Any particular time? 3:00/9:00 is good, but I'm flexible, as I'm going to be grading today. That's my whole task, and watching Ormulum go. (Your comment was the best: Orm sent it to cleanup, and, of course, it didn't get off the list; at least Walter didn't just underline all the nouns.) Geogre 12:47, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, I meant 3:00 my time, 9:00 your time. Grading is the bane of the profession. I'm going to start any minute now. (Actually, at noon.) 2-3 hours is all I can manage at a time, so your call will punctuate it perfectly. Geogre 15:38, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
With regard to Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/FuelWagon 2, if you have a clear unambiguous answer to FW's question "does this "all out of good faith" post from SlimVirgin, followed by her sudden involvement in the Bensaccount RfC constitute turning wikipedia into a battlefield?" then providing that answer might be a good idea. On the other hand if you have no such clear unambiguous answer, maybe you should ignore this paragraph altogether. Just trying to help. WAS 4.250 11:00, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
Who is this person User talk:Justinc he's threatening to block me! wants to delete one of the images from JV. It seems to me that all sorts are becoming administrators now. Its sad really isn't it. Giano 20:35, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
The Swiss Knight -- here's an interesting little effort that might appeal to you a little, given what happens on your talk page. I'm sure it needs to be deleted, so have fun with your magic admin keys. Miss seeing your name on my talk page, but don't miss being blocked so often. Best wishes. WBardwin 06:50, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
Back in half an hour. sent a mail!
Hi again Bishonen. I suggest moveing Heraldry of Oelandia to Heraldry of Öland (coulnd't do this myself, it says). // Mucios thanks, Fred- Chess 00:33, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Heavens to Betsy, if it weren't so soon after your comment, I'd have gone to "Oppose" on a recent RfA. I wouldn't have based on FAC actions, but on the arrogance and narrowness of the responses on the RFA itself. Wow. First, many of these things aren't "grammatical" problems at all. Second, many aren't even bad. They may be complex, but complexity is not an error. However, differences of opinion are fine: it's the way one acts about those differences that signals trouble. I see overwriting and death defying over them, and that's a bad, bad thing. Geogre 17:57, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
À votre in-box rapidement ma peu de chou d'amour. Avec beaucoup de baisers votre admirateur secret
NOOOOON! Mail! Bishonen | talk 22:07, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
I will attempt to be balanced and measured and not too late. I have strong enough reasons to vote, but I don't need to peel the paint. Geogre 12:49, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Greetings. You've recently been involved with working on get articles up to featured status, so I wanted to let you know about a new page, Wikipedia:Bounty board. People have put up monetary bounties for certain articles reaching featured status - if the article makes it, the bounty lister donates the stated amount of money to the Wikimedia Foundation. So you can work on making articles featured, and donate other people's money at the same time. If this sounds interesting, I hope you stop by. – Quadell ( talk) ( bounties) 01:03, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Just a note to thank you for your marvelous help on my Mandan article. I have just left a note on Mark Digemanse's page to ask about the language. I'll add that before nominating it on FAC. You help has been wonderful! In addition, I found some images you may want to use for your Relapse article. A lengthy comment with a link to the pics is on my talk page. Take care! *Exeunt* Ganymead Dialogue? 18:46, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen, this article seems to be fueling a number of controversies. Those controversies quite aside, can I interest you in a continuing effort to improve the article? However badly it needs improvement, I'm certain that it could be improved. I'm cautiously working on this, but another brain would be a great help. Thanks. (Probably no need to reply; but if you do reply, please do so here. I hate watching pingpong dialogues.) -- Hoary 04:13, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
Have you seen the new revamped William Shakespeare article? Do you like it? Or do you find it, like me, far too short? Mandel 16:06, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
Happy to see reactions toward Iago's edits. As for you asking why I blotted off the Shakespeare talk page, I just changed my mind. I thought it better to keep mum. Mandel 03:49, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
If y'all haven't seen it, you really should see user talk:Iago Dali just now. He has announced that Wikipedia is "bullshit" and that it planted viruses on his computer and that the inability to log in (which I suffered the last 2 days, too) is part of a plot. He has said that he is leaving it forever. The whole message is rather hysterical, if not paranoid, but bizarre is kind of predictable, based on the editing pattern. Geogre 15:43, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Your choice, of course, but I'm not of the same opinion when it comes to talk pages. Were there an RFC on him, there would be a reason for overriding his edits of his own talk page. Otherwise.... Again, your choice and not something I feel strongly about. I think there is something highly, highly suspicious about the user, but history is enough for me to know that a number of folks have complained and that he has interesting taste in friends (and no, I'm not talking about Tony the Marine). Geogre 20:31, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen. On wikimedia commons there is a "Flag of Sweden.svg". However, someone had, one day before the uploading of that flag, been uploading Image:Flag of Sweden.svg locally. So it blocks the commons flag!
If you click the image description page, you see that the colors of the local flag is wrong compared to the link given there. Can the local flag be speedied, or what should we do...?
Regards , Fred- Chess 12:16, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
As a literary person, why don't you join in on this group novel project? I tried to spark some interest a while back, and wrote the beginning of a chapter on the murder mystery section. Each "chapter" was placed in user space but was available to the group (what there was of it). Pick a character and write a little? Edit my stuff -- it needs it! Critique the whole idea?? Let your creativity loose. WBardwin 03:40, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm just getting my feet wet on Wikipedia, so I'm not always familiar with the ways of doing things here. I appreciate that you moved my post for Iago Dali. Homanid.
Oh, Bishonen - (I can get vocative here too) - no, I can't point to any particular point where you have lacked civility, but then I don't think I ever said that you did. What I said was it seems to me that more civility, deep breaths and walking away from the confrontation on both sides would have helped in the past and would help going forward (emphasis added). More civility always helps, as does taking deep breaths (short of hyperventilation), and walking away from the confrontation, particularly in an impersonal written medium like this, where it is all to easy to take offence at bald words on the page, absent the non-verbal clues that would normally blunt or clarify their import. As I have said to Giano, far too much of everyone's time at this place is taken up with destructive in-fighting, and I have no intention of getting involved in that. But I don't feel I can stand idly by while a contributor walks away from the project over something as meaningless as whether a FAC has been copyedited enough, or whether people have said nasty things (justified or not) in his RFA. Which it not to say that I wholeheartedly support Tony in all that he has said or done. I am not picking sides here. I just wish we could all get along and just write this darned encyclopedia. -- ALoan (Talk) 16:25, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
Oh, ALoan, don't worry, I don't want to discuss it further either, and if you're content with your message to Giano, it's not my business. I'm sorry you felt obliged to waste all that time. I meant to enlighten rather than reproach, but I went about it the wrong way. Here are some links plotting the views of some other users during the RFA week. Please don't feel obliged to click on them, they're only for if you're interested and have the time to spare.
I've stolen this off someones page. If any of your friends know how to opperate it, I thought we could have one each to direct the flow of friendly comment so to speak! I rather like the idea myself, but it all looks a bit complex. I'm sure you know some-one. Filiocht wouldn't have a clue (he's a poet) Geogre does not seem very technical (I've seen the way he holds that gun - wish I had a gun on my page!) Who would know how to work the bloody thing?
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talk 22:15, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, me too.
Thanks for reverting the vandal the other day. No telling what they wanted, but it looked random.
I couldn't handle hanging around the IRC any longer. The age of the room seems to be regressing lately, and I'm not sure there are non-trawling speakers most of the time. The schedule I'm on leaves me fairly frustrated for living. I never seem to be awake for any entertainment or at a computer that will give me access to conversation. That's coupled with the fact that I haven't had any article ideas in a while. There are dunces to write about, but I want to start thinking (if I stay employed here next year) about actual scholarship and conference papers (we are encouraged to present one paper a year...this would be remarkable progress for the faculty). It's possible that I could do something with Jonathan Wild, the novel, but I'm not sure it would be anything new. Oh, for a research library and a rare book room! (RG would be for publishing, not presenting on.)
I think that I'll be home tomorrow before awfully late, but I definitely will on Friday. Once Friday comes, though, we're already at the weekend, and that will evaporate in about 4 hours of apparent time. Geogre 22:24, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
I think that I'll be home today, Freyday, by 3:30 PM, eastern. Also, I may not have to travel to fruitcakeville tomorrow. Geogre 12:40, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
I've had a hard time finding any time for being active on #wikipedia, plus the fact that my computer isn't in the best shape, but I'll return to the channel as things in school calm down and my new computer is delivered. :) I saw the other edit as well, I just did believe that you thought the football part was sneaky vandalism as well, which I thought at a first glance on the article a while ago (at a time when the article actually said that he gave football (soccer) a royal approval, a sport which wasn't invented until the 19th century...). I have no idea where that info might be better suited. -- Elisson • Talk 21:17, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
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Ducks are better than drakes. Geogre 13:42, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
No, no subject. It's just that I was tired of the goat pictures, and, since you had archived, I thought that my duck was better than their goats. There was a wonderful cartoon, once, by Gahan Wilson, I think, with an empty pedestal, trunkless hands, and a grim visage in the sand, and "Nobody Beats Ozymandius TV Appliance King" on the pedestal. I stole the caption. Otherwise, there is Eliot's:
which is along the same lines. Time to go watch Bergman's Winter Light and feel the joy. Geogre 20:43, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
ddg... I was bored :)
ALKIVAR
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06:54, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
Déjà vu? Could you move Kiruna Municipality to Kiruna? Thanks. Fred- Chess 13:35, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
This was not an RfC/user nor an RfA/evidence, but a general RfC so I am not quite sure of the ettiquette. I should have added a "comments" section after the voting section?-- Silverback 14:33, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm frustrated with a user in an AfD debate who is repeatedly substantially revising, moving or completely removing comments to which I have already replied. I find it disgusting. Can't somebody be blocked for that kind of dishonest and deceptive behaviour? Please take a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hans Boepple. (BTW, Boepple should probably be deleted, but he seems like a borderline case, with notability according to WP:MUSIC perhaps depending on the existence of more recordings than those so far unearthed.) Uppland 23:54, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen, if it's not too much trouble, I'd like you not to alter my comments. If I don't have anything new to say, and I am repeating myself, I should be revising my comments, not adding repeated comments and wasting everyone's time. If you read the revision carefully, I'm not making new arguments but merely refining arguments that have been already made. If Uppland feels strongly about the PhD not making a difference, let him make his argument. I believe I have made mine. If you feel something needs to be added in order to make Uppland's comment understandable, do so. But if I am forced to repeat my "latest" version everytime I want to change something, there won't be enough room for the next person to disagree with me. Thanks for your consideration. We99 01:29, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen, there is an upper limit to the discussion for deletion. If you don't believe me, try adding a bunch of text and you'll know there is an upper limit. We99 02:03, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
--Second opinion, here: Bishonen is, in fact, being very polite. It is policy that one is not allowed to change the text of one's vote. If you no longer agree with what you had said, or if you believe that what you have written is inappropriate, you may strike out your previous comment, but you leave it in place, exactly as it was and then write whatever new you have to say underneath the original. To perform the strike-through, place <s> at the beginning of the text to be stricken and </s> at the end of the stricken text. That way, it remains in place so that other readers/editors/voters can see what comment had drawn original comment. Again, do not change the text of your vote. If your vote contains a personal attack, and you wish to remove the insult, you are better off using the strike-through; however, if you had been particularly insulting and wish to remove the text of the insult, you may, but only if you put in its place text indicating that you have removed an insult that you made. (Do not remove insults written by others. Leave that for an administrator to do.) This is not optional behavior. Geogre 15:37, 6 November 2005 (UTC) (Posted on the user's talk page as well.)
Hiya back! Your welcome warms me. — Theo (Talk) 21:52, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
You wanted to experience a blocking?!? Wow; hopefully you won't get autoblocked. You know, I just would have moved a couple of pages Willy-style ;). Cheers, Bratsche talk | Esperanza 04:37, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
Thank you very much for supporting my rather contentious request for adminship, but now that I've been promoted, I'd like to do a little dance here *DANCES*. If you have any specific issues/problems with me, please feel free to state them on
my talk page so that I can work to prevent them in the future, and thanks once again!
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07:57, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
In your edit summary for you current post to Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Silverback/Evidence, there is some kind of little arrow thing containing a link to the section you just edited. I am curious about how you did that. Mind sharing? Does is the length of the link, still subject to the character limit of the edit summary window? -- thanx, -- Silverback 13:41, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
I just wanted to thank you for your support of my RfA which finally passed! I greatly appreciate it! Ramallite (talk) 04:09, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
If you have a minute, would you mind taking a second look at the daughter articles and adjusting or removing your vote accordingly? I believe the ones that are currently linked to are all now presentable. The footnote system is now fixed and fully functioning, and all single paragraph sections have either been built up, merged with other topics. or eliminated. Regards, Saravask 09:54, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
I didn't move Carnildo's post, I had an edit conflict with him when responding to your post, and so I moved my post and maintained the cronology via indents as is my practice. The attraction is to make sure admins know that this is a second violation. I looked at the intro and didn't see any instructions on where to add it, and since some pages instruct to add at the top, that is what I did. I admit I was confused about that.-- Silverback 01:30, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
Look at the number of edits to Peterborough Chronicle today, just today. It has had quite a few very dedicated vandals, plus. Oh, and if you thought that linking God and Bible was too much, check out the "helpful" edits. Stuff like world is linked now. Geogre 10:45, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
These feebs are hitting it at a furious pace. I have to teach from 8-12, and I only hope that wakeful Europeans are noticing it, because I'll be unable to do much during that time. I have a feeling that what I'd really like to do is revert all the way back to Haeleth's replacement of dashes with emdash, but no point in even thinking about that until the thing's off the main page. People have 1) tried to turn all spellings to British (incompletely, of course), 2) link everything, 3) change hard words into simple ones ("dearth" to "death"). The only other helpful one so far was probably linking philology, since I have to agree that that's an uncommon term. I knew the main page would get tiny fingers clawing at it, but I never anticipated this many. Geogre 11:19, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
I see what you mean about the questions re: The Relapse. Those are very good questions Saravask raises -- extremely perceptive. I suppose we can lean too much on our other, survey articles and think, "Well, gosh, we've said that the libertines were on the run by the 1690s so much and that William of Orange is the reason so many times that we ought not say it here." We're wrong, of course. What was news in Restoration drama and Restoration literature (or Augustan drama) is news still in Chrononhotonthologos (a play I propose to write about soon but which I need to learn to spell consistently). Geogre 03:14, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
'Sokay, I figured as much. I just wanted to make sure that I didn't sound like I was attached to the idea of only a 24 hour block. Happy Friday, wherever you are! Dmcdevit· t 08:14, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
Hey Bishonen. I know you've seen the complaints by a group of editors on my talk page, and just want to say that I will not allow my good work over at the Schools Portal to be disrupted by these guys. I agree I got angry, but also wish to point out that I've vowed not to edit the St Michael's Grammar School pages any more, as told here. So basically, I've moved on, but if any more unfounded complaints or vandalism to any pages relating to my long work here on Wikipedia (eg. my page, Caulfield Grammar School, the Schools Portal) I will come back to you or another admin looking to see people blocked for what really is a group trying to stand over me as I do what I see as good work here. Thanks for listening. Harro5 19:53, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi could you look at Wikipedia:Peer review/Objectivist poets/archive1 for me? I'm stuck. Filiocht | [[User talk:Filiocht|The kettle's on]] 08:36, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm hoping to take a look at it today or tomorrow. A little ennui over on my side as left me fit for nothing but squishing speedy deletes and thundering on VfD. (I do think Station Island is one of the finest single collections of poems I've read in ages, although none of Heaney's other volumes have been as moving for me. The article we have on him stresses his nature poetry, but Station Island is a very different book from all those -- much more Modernist.) (As for Plath, it hardly matters what one writes: desperate fans will rewrite it.) Geogre 11:11, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the message, we'll see in a second if the sig thing is fixed or not.Tricks aren't very good, I thought I might feel better about the place after a time away, but its still pretty much the same nicht wahr. The response to Rhe Relapse was disappointing, but frankly what were you realistically expecting, knowing the place as you do? FAC seems to have become a strangle place these days of increasingly new requirements, demands, and needs which I have decided I no longer wish to attempt to meet; in fact I shall not try to meet them. Rather than judging each subject on its own individual requirements everything is now required to conform to blanket diktats, often legislated by people who seem to have little better to do than enforce them, when their time would be far better spent writing a page themselves, rather than passing comment on anything from the legal validity of copyright to English grammar, both subjects on which they are generally and factually completely ignorant.
At least The Relapse was justly featured, and apart from the one mild objection (was that another new diktat?) those that read it seemed to like it, it just lacked the necessary tabloidness in the title to pull them in my new title should do that (although that's not why I chose it), but God the google hits do seem to be more gynaecological than architectural! Shame it's not going to FA, it would have been fun to see people demanding "Family" after the Surname section, it's technically correct as it is for an Italian family as it is. Wish I could make people read The Relapse, perhaps it will become heavily vandalised then you will know people are at least looking at it. As ever Giano | talk 13:43, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
User:Marsden is back, using his IP address, 69.138.215.194 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), and apparently spending most of his time reverting those he doesn't like, or who he has been asked to revert. Now he's being even more disruptive; in order to avoid going over the 3RR, he's added a link to a bogus hate site at Self-hating Jew instead, and posting trolling text to a bunch of talk pages (including yours) about "nigger lovers". I'm considering a 1 week block for disruption at this point, unless you think you or someone else should do it first. Jayjg (talk) 17:04, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
My response is in the Rfa after your vote. I'm sorry you felt that I had done the wrong thing as I was only trying to keep two editors from going to war and that is all.-- MONGO 20:08, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
Salve, Bishonen!
Thank you for your comments. First, I would note I was unable to return to Wikipedia for several days; thus there was no reply to the objectors on Bob McEwen. That said, I do not understand the objection to links. What is the issue there? I can think of other articles with many links which successfully passed the FAC process.
The peer review process doesn't work either, thus I do not use it anymore. For example, I give you two articles that were praised or received no objections, but lost at FAC:
I believe the article review process is broken because there is no consistency and not enough participation, thus my suggestions. PedanticallySpeaking 19:24, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for helping out in the basement, I'm sure its appreciated! I've just sent you an emial about something I feel strongly! Giano | talk 10:23, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
I am very proud of a new barnstar I just got on my talk page. It's tres cool. Geogre 11:06, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
not in disgust, dear Bishonen, and I wish I would get a couple of days to address the concerns voiced. Wiglaf has said he is going to help too. If the nominiation is flushed off the list, I may take the liberty of re-submitting it as soon as I think I addressed all points. I must say, however, that our FA criteria seem to be in rather lofty heights these days; the article is at least as good as those featured on the other languages WP. I do appreciate, however, that en: has a somewhat more heavy burden of responsibility compared to minor projects, so I suppose the objections are fair enough. dab (ᛏ) 17:54, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
From User talk:Saravask:
And thank you again for your great comments on The Relapse, I 'm not sure I made it clear how much they encouraged me. While nobody'd found any fault with the article, out of the few who voted on it [...], nobody'd exactly sounded interested either. "OK, no problems that I can see, support."
OwenX pointed out that yesterday marked exactly two years since my first edit as Geogre. I pointed out that there had been 3-6 months prior to that where I had been convinced that getting an account would mean spam e-mail. I think 2 in Wikipedia years is like 40 in human years. (The title of this section is a reference to a book written for new parents.) Geogre 14:08, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Damn, one-upped again! Your expertise on A.A. Milne is much greater than mine. :-) (Yeah, I was making a reference to Milne without even knowing it. Shows how trustworthy my allusions are.) (I'm old enough to have my allusions about the world shattered.) Geogre 18:41, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Ah, the second kiddiehood! The funny thing is that I'm in the computer generation, so a lot of the kiddie slang is actually from pop culture that we had in the 1980s, when the PC moved out of the garage. Now, the "old timers" are about 40, and the kiddies revel in learning their dorm joke phrases. (I can't remember the movie that "esplode" came from, but it was a dumb comedy of the 80's.) Mine is the generation of the bastards of young: "No willingness to claim us/ We've got no war to name us.//We are the sons of no one/ Bastards of young," as the man sang. Geogre 20:58, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Exactly so. Two may be 40, 50, or 60 -- it is whatever age it is for a person to have all her or his vitality sapped and hopes broken. Seeing youngsters saying that "AfD may collapse, but that collapse is a long way in the future" is almost touching. "I used to say that," I feel like telling them. Geogre 18:41, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
I've put the diff concerned on email in full. It's all too late now, the photographer has resigned her unsought after post and I am bereft. I shall just have to learn to draw. :-( Giano | talk 07:28, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen,
You've probably noticed already, but I've added a section to the RFC as you suggested.
Could I trouble you for feedback? Do you think it's adequate for the purpose?
Thanks, Ben Aveling 22:14, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
I've been promoted to admin! I deeply appreciate your reconsideration and your decision to withdraw your opposition. I'll start out slow for sure and I will do everything I can to ensure that you know that you made the right decision. Never hesitate to ask me if you need anything as I'll do all I can! Thank you!-- MONGO 09:57, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
This is kind of a random question, but my sigature has been acting up and I'd thought I'd ask an admin what the problem might be. The problem should be obvious from it's display. Thanks! Cheers! ''*Exeunt*'' Ganymead [[User_talk:Ganymead|<sup><font color="green">Dialogue?</font></sup>]] 16:35, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
Bish-fishing for a second opinion (anyone else passing by is welcome to comment): Academia is a featured article, but I don't think it should be, and consider nominating it on WP:FARC. Except for the sections on the ancient world and the medieval period, it is very U.S.-centric, partly by showing a lack of awareness of other perspectives (see section " Recent_economic_changes"), partly by using U.S. examples, where, say, Italian, French or German examples would be more appropriate (as in the section " Rise_of_academic_societies"). Where it is not entirely U.S.-centric, international perspectives are mostly limited to England. The section " Eighteenth_and_nineteenth_centuries" is all about the U.S., despite America still being a backwater at the time. With all due respect for the University of Pennsylvania and Ben Franklin, in an 18th century history of academia, one would expect the University of Göttingen, the University of Leiden and a host of other European universities (and other institutions) to be more approriate to mention. And whatever happened to the renaissance, humanism, in fact the entire period from the end of the middle ages until the mid-18th century? Is the foundation of the Royal Society really the only thing worth mentioning from that period?
The article is not badly written, but a clear systemic bias, significant omissions, and a lack of proper referencing, makes this inappropriate for featured status. Have I left anything out? -- Uppland 09:30, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
I suppose there are universities outside of the US. At least they do seem to go someplace between the ages of 19 and 24, but, honestly, do they have academia? Surely not! Geogre 20:16, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm thankful for your friendship and endurance. Geogre 20:18, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Maybe I should give up, too. God but copyright paranoia is rife. Filiocht | The kettle's on 08:33, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
Damn, I've had a ridiculous night here. Glad to see you and Geogre on the recent changes page. I damn near walked away for good. Again. All over a single sentence. I think I'll be spending a lot less time doing new pages patrol. Hey, I broke my AfD addiction. I can break this one too. Take care. Your pal, Lucky 6.9 04:25, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
(See, I can too program!) Geogre 14:03, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
(But I can program INTERCAL!) Bishonen | talk 14:13, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
(I suppose that's better than programming in the
Interzone, which is where junk code comes from.) Leave AfD? But I'm having so much fun there. :-( I really, really, really should finish Todd's biography and do some good.
Geogre 19:38, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
Speaking of universities, did English universities ever have student prisons? Surely they must have had something like that? I am looking for some nice archaic English term, in order to be able to remove the Karzer article from its current German-specific title. Uppland 17:13, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
But you managed to make him vomit it back up again! Sure, this is gross, and will require a very long and powerful hose, but I'm glad I have that faith back. In return, please take my barnstar eating pet bear to protect you from any nasty users you may meet along the way. karmafist 19:52, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
I hope you're soon to have the real thing, but, until then, here is some virtual chocolate. Geogre 10:48, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
You recently blocked me, citing "Ongoing harrassment (sic) of multiple users". That block was utterly and wholly unjustified; the allegation unfounded. If you feel otherwise, please cite diffs showing me "harassing" other users. Andy Mabbett 21:26, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
I asked for evidence of your (Bishonen's) allegation of "Ongoing harrassment (sic) of multiple users". You cite (on my talk page) one diff, which is in no way harassment (if you imagine that it was, why didn't you block Karmafist for harassing me?). You have no such evidence. Andy Mabbett 18:51, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Looks like we're getting some collateral damage from the block. I posted here, but since it's in the middle of the page and the board is high traffic, I thought I'd let you know. Looking for some input from somebody more experienced with dealing with blocks. -- GraemeL (talk) 20:03, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Awww, you guys. There's nothing quite like your concern for my ... welfare, I mean that quite literally. Chocolate pills and champagne! And is that pâté de fois gras? Can I have some Turkish delight and a liqueur for afters? Bishonen | talk 19:15, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Hello again. Recently I've been having difficulties in getting a sufficient amount of feedback from the top caliber editors of the history and politics articles-- needed in order to establish a consensus in the vote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of modern day dictators. It'll be much appreciated if you can take a look. Regards. 172 22:27, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
(A bris for all supermen!) Personal attack responded to with a totally appropriate flame. Geogre 02:36, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
I shall be awarding a special "Siciliano order of merit" to the editor who contributes the most words over the next two days to Preston Plucknett. This important page is essential to the survival of our encyclopedia, and indeed mankind - a species which probably originated from Preston Plucknett. The Irish editor has already refused, the American editor has pleaded ignorance, hence it is left to us in Europe to say: "Advance Mankind and Preston Plucknett!" Giano | talk 21:43, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
Because I edited Linked. When I changed it from an auto-redirect to a dis-ambig, I (being a good citizen) checked the backlinks to make sure that people who linked to the redirect wouldn't be suprised to find a disambig as opposed to a redirect. I came across a few "junk" links that weren't links to a subject, but were just links for the sake of links. To clean out the nonsense in the backlinks, I removed them. I didn't miss the point of "overlinking" -- but I think it'd be best if people made their points without doing the exact thing they want people not to do. From a constant user of "what links here," these junk links can add up to a fair amount of extra editing work. -- Quasipalm 20:31, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Ummm, you do mean to advertise a videogame, complete with a link to WalMart, on your user page? Is this, uh, something you want to do? Geogre 16:45, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
So, are you getting a kickback off sales to Wal*Mart, or is this because "It is a very good game and everybody ought to play it?" (to paraphrase my students). What amazes me about the caviar is that it's a laxitive. I never knew it had that property. Geogre 19:16, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Please take a look at Talk:Jonathan Wild. It's one thing for me to insult my article. It's another for someone else to do so. Geogre 21:40, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Maybe I was too mean. Did you see Filiocht's sonnet? I wrote it, it seems. Geogre 19:01, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Hey, the fellow did it. The Norwegian Jonathan Wild is a FA in Norsk. Geogre 12:30, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Ok, so what were the no voters saying? (They sure aren't verbose about it, esp. compared to the .en version.) Geogre 15:56, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Huh. Maybe we should have "commendable" articles as well as "featured" articles. I wonder if we could mollify a few of our menaces that way? Geogre 19:19, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Thank you again for being there through all of this with potw. Please let me know if there's anything I can do you in the future.
karmafist 05:20, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Bish:
Just wanted to drop you a note to say thanks for supporting me in my recent RFA. I see that you don't vote in many RFAs (or, if you do, you don't vote in many where the nominee returns later to offer his/her thanks for your participation), so I'm doubly flattered that you elected to vote in mine. I shall endeavor to live up to your expectations.
All the best.
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Hello, Bishonen. I'm just dropping you a note to thank you for your support for my RfA. What you said ("dives into the pool of conflict and emerges dry") was definitely the most poetic comment I got! I should have thanked you earlier, but I got a bit caught up with college work. Anyway, although we haven't had any direct contact, I have seen you around, and I've liked what I've seen(!), so I'm looking forward to working with you in the future. Cheers. AnnH (talk) 00:50, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your work reverting the vandals on Mandan while it was on the mainpage yesterday! *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 19:50, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Seems easy to me. Wrom:
We just turn it into:
I don't know if that's not long enough, but it seems like an easy blurb. If it's not long enough, one can add in a sentence for each of the major divisions that will follow (in prose... in poetry... in theater...), but the lead attempts to have that already. Geogre 18:52, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
The lead at this point is set up that way because of all the hemming and hawing over when it ends. Everyone knows when it begins, but I thought it was fair warning to set up in the lead that it wasn't going to end neatly. If it ends in '89, for example, then everyone writing under Bill & Mary is lost to literary history, as they're not 18th century until 1700 (1701, if we want to be precise). The cuts off a lot of the most interesting poetry and almost all of the interesting prose. Heck, it leaves your year of drama (1695) out in the cold. Geogre 20:44, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Take a look at User:Camillus_McElhinney#Correspondence, and prepare to be aghast, or something. FreplySpang (talk) 00:17, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Sorry not to have been in touch lately, but I've been so busy with my foreign commitments and fans! I've just sent you an email which you may enjoy dealing with! There is something very strange going on with the server today. I left this message first inexplicably on Bunch of Grapes talk page, which is not even on my watch list, having first hit your name on my list, now I see you even have the same image as him just above - very odd "these things cannot be explained" Au'revoir Giano | talk 12:47, 12 December 2005 (UTC) PS: Can you not archive here on the mountainside it take ages to reach the bottom of this page! Giano | talk
That was hilarious: "No one is more NPOV than I am! No one thinks I'm POV. .... Say, Tony, can you block Dunharris and two other people? They say I'm POV. They're so POV!" And, if that weren't enough, three references to Jimbo sez! Wow. Thaet was gode ful smoak. Geogre 00:58, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
If you click on This link, you will be taken to the /workshop page. However, you won't see all the arguments in glory. To do that, you'd have to go back to look at a version before Tony began withdrawing stuff, which means back to probably December 8th. Rather than trying to follow the complicated evolution of the withdrawing, refactoring, and restating, you'd be better off just reading the last clean copy before the massive refactoring. There isn't even much point in reading what it says now. Geogre 02:42, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
The best idea is not to start. I am virtually alone among the "Other Parties" in believing that there is so little ambiguity, so little evidence, so little cause, that this thing is going to be a very easy close for the AC and that the fewer words now, the better -- just let them go ahead and say, "There's nothing here" or, better IMO, "Oops." As I said, I'm alone in thinking that, and some people are very ticked at comments made in the course of the prosecution. Geogre 13:11, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Ok, this is the last version where most of the debate was present. After that, the really radical cutting started, and particularly Tony's insults began disappearing. Geogre 13:45, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I cannot even lead the blind, so I wouldn't presume to lead a parade. I can't even lead the cops on a merry chase, nor a horse to water or horticulture. Geogre 16:48, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Dang it! Now I've got to get a creme to stop all this blushing (or blushing). Geogre 22:57, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I meant that you kicked Tony's logic's rear fully out of the game, so doing more would be kicking a thing when down. Geogre 13:11, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Look your chocolate shop has been edited out! but at least the distinguished, important and may I say beautiful and intelligent patrons still remain! Giano | talk 14:49, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I can't believe it, I really cant' I spent half an hour this afternoon lovingly translating ( I don't do translations) this "Paggina principali" [47] from the Sicilian Wikipedia (not many people know about this one!) I went to proudly present my wonderful new page (for the delight of you all) and found this Sicilian cart, which has apparently been here since 1st October 2005. However, I do feel strongly we should all be supporting the Sicilian Wikipedia. sadly lack of time, and the minor fact I do not speak it well, means that Geogre, Filiocht,ALoan and Paul August will be studying it over Christmas in order that our best literary contributions can be there in the new year. Well done to Geogre Filiocht and Aloan not many people would sacrifice their Christmas in such a way. I wish, I too could study this interesting subject, but unfortunately I'm entertaining Jimbo, Raul and that nice little Mrs. Bishonen at my "Palazzo Splendido, Caymen Islands" over the joyous festival. Bless you all Giano | talk 21:15, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen. You working tonight? Merovingian has blocked me from editing -- we seem to be starting into a new wave of blocks based on that rotating proxy. New administrators seem to go through a phase of trying to punish all AOL users. I left him the note below. Please release me if you can. Thanks. WBardwin 06:10, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Please note that you have blocked an AOL proxy address -- which randomly rotates among users. AOL users cannot control which number they are assigned, and blocking the number for any length of time is ineffective in fighting vandalism. Please see my user page User:WBardwin/AOL Block Collection for a history of adminstrative discussion and action regarding these blocks. They seem to hit me often. Please release your block. Information below. Thank you. WBardwin 06:01, 15 December 2005 (UTC) Your IP address is 207.200.116.202. Please include this address, along with your username, in any queries you make. Your user name or IP address has been blocked by Merovingian. The reason given is: Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "Kkkboi". The reason given for Kkkboi's block is: "vandal/troll".
And at least two "respected administrators" use AOL in one way or another. One uses AOL per se. The other uses Netscape ISP. Netscape ISP is a wholly owned, etc. of AOL. (Hey! What can I say? I'm poor! Netscape only costs $10/month for unlimited hours.) Geogre 11:19, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Ah, there, completeness. R e dwolf24 ( talk) Attention Washingtonians! 07:35, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
So, there's my drake, all shrunken -- his masculinity threatened by yet another fearful viewer. Have you seen TFD and the debate over the "Maintained" template? Pretty active debate, if you're interested. (What is it with these templates? I want to read articles, not banners!) Geogre 12:58, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
(signed) -- Bishonen | talk 13:04, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Sir Francis seems to be well endowed with all the right equipment, to defend that poor "little ducky". Paul August ☎ 14:58, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for supporting my recent bid for adminship, which passed 64-2. — FREAK OF NURxTURE ( TALK) 07:25, Dec. 17, 2005
Thank you for understanding the situation. — Moe ε 16:25, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
My dear Bishonen: No, I did notice he was blocked; you see, he made the original request for us to mediate down at Conspiracy theory and it doesn't much matter when he replies, it is hardly an urgent matter since I expect the dispute will take a good long time to settle down. All the best, -- NicholasTurnbull | (talk) 16:32, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Hello Bishonen. I know that niceness is not my strong side, so I resort to you. Someone just re-added a picture he himself took to article Kalmar (at the bottom). Could you kindly tell him that one image of that kind is enough? / Fred- Chess 22:17, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Would you consider contributing? Or how about voting for it as collaboration of the week for this new but important article.-- Culturesoftheworld 19:41, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to thank you, first and foremost; if you're receiving this message, it's because I think you were one of the people I adopted as a personal mentor, and who helped to make the whole Wikipedia experience more enjoyable.
The fact is, I've got no choice but to leave. The recent sordid affair with User:Deeceevoice and my appalling conduct in that showed me that I have not the calibre required to maintain good relations with users on the wiki. Worse still, I violated almost all of the principles I swore to uphold when I first arrived.
I've now been desysopped, and I plan on devoting a little more time to what I am good at, which is developing. I don't fit in on this side of the servers, but perhaps I can still be of use to the project.
Thank you. Rob Church Talk 20:03, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
I want you to see the comment under the "comments" section I left at My RFA. It partially involves you. — Moe ε 22:35, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
<sigh> Ok, I've now spent an hour or so in the lieberry attempting to find some facts. Miraculously, these Baptists actually had a book specifically about 60 Minutes, although one that "exposes" it for liberalism. I found the facts in it and ignored the rest. Also, it turns out that Ambi should know something of it, as there is an Australian spin-off on Channel 9, or at least there was in 1984, when the book I used was written. Am I afraid of old information? Yeah. Will I be careful? Yeah. Do I have some lipstick to put on that pig? I suppose. Geogre 16:17, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Still needs one big edit. I said I'd do it last night, but then that went the way of all plans. I simply cannot get adequate sleep. Geogre 12:04, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
We could use some help in moving reconstructed pronunciation of ancient Greek back to its original title Ancient Greek phonology. It was moved by Thrax on his own accord after minor revert war and some pointless edits of the redirect link trumped any plans of simple salvage.
Peter Isotalo 04:24, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen, thanks for your comments on the outrageous move of Ancient Greek phonology by User:Thrax. Well, now, clearly acting both against consensus (which he has been doing consistently for a long time) and your clear characterization of the previous move as a "stunt", he's done it again. Besides restoring the article to its original title, I suppose we need to open some sort of action against him. What a pain. Any advice you have would be appreciated. -- Macrakis 18:53, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Thrax now added a subtitle The reconstructed pronunciation of Ancient greek. Andreas 20:04, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Thrax has actually moved the article three times, the third after Andreas had moved it back (Andreas moved it back again). Take a look at: First change Second change. This is no way to write an encyclopedia.... -- Macrakis 20:16, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Thrax started a POV fork named The historical pronunciation of ancient Greek Andreas 20:36, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Ancient Greek phonology has been on the RFC list as Ancient Greek pronunciation since Nov. 8 [48] and was removed on Dec. 20. Andreas 00:24, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
In case you didn't see, I made an attempt to locate all of his actual good edits. I listed them on AN/I. Cheers. -- LV (Dark Mark) 21:36, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen, after commenting on the frivolous claim on the Administrator's noticeboard by User:Huaiwei, you may be interested in reviewing Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Huaiwei. I thank you for your time. enochlau ( talk) 14:32, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
I appear to be having a significant relapse. I'm of two minds about the adspam. On the one hand, I think it's fine. On the other hand, there are so many unsigning visitors to my talk page these days, particularly in regard to the evil that policy does, that I'm not sure. Since it's my talk page, I guess that means go ahead. Sure is big and bright, though. ("Henry, with his plights and gripes as bad as Achilles" -- John Berryman, Dreamsong #14.) Geogre 02:47, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
Season's greetings, Bish, and all the best for the new year. ;-) SlimVirgin (talk) 00:06, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
May I add my voice to the throng … and may I also thank you for cleaning up my talk page. — Theo (Talk) 07:11, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
No problem, I see you figured it out. ;-) That's why you can revert!(And so you can stop vandals)
Prodego talk 15:05, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen, maybe you'd like to enlighten the people at
Hillbilly and especially
User:Abelson about what
Fair use means, and that an image from
the Simpsons is not fair use on an article about Hilbillies. /
Fred-
Chess 17:16, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
Daegling himself is not a reputable source.
I find this amusing that a competent researcehr who is "into" this topic from direct field work, cannot quote his own research whereas old farts who never left the house are considered a source.
As for published work, most editors in the outside world of journals will not touch this topic.
Disgusted with Wiki. Losers editing winners.
beckjord Beckjord 19:56, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
You then say it is ok to quote a website re something I did?
BTW, how do you ___ever__ expect newbies to understand all this stuff? No wonder you have angry trolls and vandals. They are Mad at Wiki. All these rules and stuff, hard to understand, and hard to learn even where to look.
Also, Wiki (we) really __does__ touch this topic. See Bigfoot.
beckjord
Beckjord 19:07, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Thrax is at it again at Talk:Ancient Greek phonology. Take a look. From his behavior, it seems as though his primary goal is to attract attention, even if that means being blocked. -- Macrakis 21:18, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
Another sockpuppet? User:AskMelegi Andreas 19:08, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Another sockpuppet? User:JacobGrimm Andreas 14:29, 30 December 2005 (UTC) Another sockpuppet? User:HansChristianAnderson Andreas 17:08, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Bishonen,
You should know the only reason this page is on my watchlist is because it's usually fairly amusing. But lately, sheesh, I dunno — if it's not one content dispute it's another. And then — shudder — the cryptozoologists show up. (Who next, the embezzlers, claiming that only those who have committed the crime have the proper expertise to edit the embezzlement page?) Well that's the final straw. I can hold my tongue no longer. Here: everybody loves pugs. Let the amusement commence. — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 22:52, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
That dog looks like he just ate a duck! Noooo! Now this dog, on the other hand, wouldn't harm a feather, wouldn't muss a fly. Give her rawhide, and she'll contentedly stare at you all day long. Geogre 01:36, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Ok, so I have to feed her a fresh newbie every two weeks, but that's a small sacrifice, and it's a valuable service, for it cleans up delightfully. A rawhide bone to keep the incisors sharp, newbie bones for nutrition. (This is why I never bite a newbie. As August Strindberg said, "Dog owners are cowardly people who haven't got the courage to bite people themselves." (And I wonder now how bad the August Strindberg article is. I hope it's better than, say, Allen Tate.).) Geogre 12:44, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
That's Wiki-itis, alright. Every person just adds a bit she's heard in class, maybe, or what seems to be true based on stuff in the article (e.g. the Anarchist claim; in The Red Room, there are Anarchists-to-be, so someone thinks, "Well, not really a Socialist, so that means an Anarchist" and adds that). There is no "let's read a biography" spirit, because that would need a single, hard core editor, and the article instead has a hundred dilletente editors. These dilletente editors can do wonders, but when there never has been a major writer, the result is Wiki-itis. Geogre 12:53, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
When I say nobody ever gives answers, etc, it means few people tell you how things work, instead of just sending some link to read.
FYI, I am getting several messages that other people find DreamGuy to be a **** as I do.I see no reason to be civil to someone who will not discuss issues, and who acts with great arrogance.
BTW, I like your images. I assume you are Japanese?
beckjord Beckjord 18:56, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't really want to get involved in this entire mess, (I'm a neutral observer who wants to keep his anonymity). See [51] for Beckjord's threat. -- 68.161.181.139 01:10, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
I do humbly apologise for all of this mess. User:Beckjord has been insulted ever since he came to Wikipedia, thus explains why he is acting this way. In spite of what is listed on the Bigfoot sites, in which people 'will' shoot at this thing, even has actually shot at this thing, User:Dreamguy and company says that this is "silly", is in violation of WP:NOR, and removed this material. thus I may suspect that User:Beckjord may have a point about some Wikis. Stand by for more........
And, again, I do regret the actions I have taken, and do humbly apologise for the inconviences. Martial Law 01:37, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
User Beckjord believes that he has new info. regarding the Bigfoot article, only that he gets reverted by User:Dreamguy and allies, and he easily loses his temper, thus you have your revert wars. Martial Law 01:42, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
I've found, on the Bigfoot Discussion page statements that User:Dreamguy has made that could be considerd insulting. See User:Dreamguy's contribs as well. Martial Law 01:51, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
I also sincerely and humbly apologise to Wikipedia for any and all inconviences. Martial Law 03:09, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
I am NOT responding to User:Beckjord's campaign at all. Martial Law 02:52, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Would it be possible for me to remove the latest post from User:Beckjord from my talk page, old data w/o being penalized ? Martial Law 03:04, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Agreed. Martial Law 03:44, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
You, a Admin. ? Congrats. Martial Law 03:45, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
An editor by the name of user:VMORO is stubbornly trying to delete additions to Bulgarian language that he doesn't personally agree with. He's even removing the reference to the IPA handbook itself and he's not discussing the issue. Think you could join in the fray with some enlightened comments?
Peter Isotalo 04:31, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Go to User:Beckjord's Talk page. Am still watching. Will need Admin help. Martial Law 06:07, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
...brain... asploding... [52] ... send... help... — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 18:19, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Kindly restore the Independent School League (Washington, DC Area) page to its former state. Thank you. Powerco
You are correct. Thanks for fixing this page. It turns out there are three Independent School Leagues in the United States. Each exists without the knowledge of the others. See ISL.
What I am trying to do is allow all three to exist in Wikipedia. Thank you
Thank you, please include the area. The Washington DC area includes prep schools in Northern Virginia, Maryland, and the District.
Bishonen, unfortunately when you edited the name of Iota phi theta to Iota Phi Theta, you deleted a different article about a group with the same name but a different organization. Iota phi theta was a local service fraternity started at John Carroll Univ. as the article states, however, when you capitalized the "p" and the "t" you erased the article about Iota Phi Theta Fraternity, Inc. (unfortunately another user had changed it's name to Iota Phi Theta instead of the original Iota Phi Theta Fraternity, Inc. which left the article open to something like this happening).
Is there anyway to revert the article so that the name of Iota Phi Theta Fraternity, Inc. can be changed back so that this won't happen again or is the article lost? Suntzu1963 13:47, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
"The Pathetic Fallacy wants you!" Just came up with that. Geogre 19:19, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Happy New Year!— Theo (Talk) 00:03, 1 January 2006 (UTC) PS Nice fireworks!
Shinen Akimashite Omedeto Gozaimasu! Paul August ☎ 06:00, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Gott nytt år, Bish! Uppland 07:29, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Felix novo annum? (I got a hammer, and I hammer in the morning/ I hammer in the evening/ All over this site.) Geogre 13:37, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
No problem on the time. I'm thinking of going off to lunch and taking my girlfriend with me, just so she can't say that I never take her anywhere. (The difference between Iraq and Vietnam? Bush had a plan for getting out of Vietnam.) Anyway, I have nothing for or against Hollowinnermariolink, but when you lie about it, you're pretty much not an admin. To me, that carries a much longer shelf life than saying "fuck you" to a vandal (as happened with Lucky or Duncharris). Forget my looking at bigfoot, though. I have big enough feet. Geogre 15:51, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Could you make a sock check on User:Hollow Wilerding, User:Winnermario (see Mel Etitis' suspicions) and User:DrippingInk (see Bunchofgrapes' comments)? I don't have a strong opinion about the puppetry, but please note that if DrippingInk and Winnermario are her socks, they're abusive all right. They always vote to support Hollow Wilerding's FACs, and jump in to scold those who oppose. The affair is highlighted at Hollow Wilerding's prematurely delisted but very interesting RFA. Bishonen | talk 13:57, 31 December 2005 (UTC).
Please view my edit and see if you approve.
Thanks, Bishojo.
beckjord Beckjord 07:42, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
I would appreciate it if you no longer communicated with me. Holding a grudge against other users on Wikipedia is nothing to be proud of (not that I'm saying you're proud of it), but now that you know User:DrippingInk, User:Winnermario and myself, User:Hollow Wilerding all share the same computer, please do not bother me anymore. I will ensure that they no longer vote on any FACs I nominate, though I find this unfair, considering we are not the same people. But just so that it doesn't cause anymore controversy, I will make sure of it. Also, I will let you know that I do plan on running for RfA again one day (not anytime soon). Don't hold this case back on me when that time comes, because it isn't my fault. Remember to assume good faith, which I want to believe in with you yourself. For the time being, at least until the situation clears, could you refrain from speaking to me for a little while? If you need me though (which I highly doubt), you can find me editing where I usually edit. Thanks for reading this bothersome notice. — Hollow Wilerding . . . ( talk) 15:26, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Oy ve. I just noticed this. As an administrator, do you know if spamming user pages for votes is comparable to sockpuppetry during FAC votes? Which is the worst abuse of the FAC process? Is FAC vote-spamming also a blockable offense? This has nothing to do with HW; it is just a question I've had. Thank you. Saravask 05:12, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
To me, it's all about deception. Deceiving voters is blockable. Just calling on friends is irrelevant, especially if the friends are clueless. It only takes one substantial set of objections, after all, and it's easy to object to nearly any article. When a number of previously unheard of voters show up at FAC, a great many folks start looking for flaws to object to. That's a different class of offense from lying, and I disagree with the page on sockpuppets: I think they should all be blocked, without exception, that there is no excuse for them whatever. I'm kind of Catonian, though. Geogre 13:47, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Good news! I have returned. Life is back to normal. I don't suppose you would like to have a look at my sensitive and poignant portrayal of a true love story here [54] you will cry, you will weep, and laugh at this beautiful story, not since the days a of "Aberlard and whatsername" have I read such beauty in prose - where can you help? - you ask - just a little copyedit, and find some pictures, I'm going to ask Fil if he ever returns to caption a foto of Venice with the bit from The Cantos about her - I don't have time to read the whole flaming poem to find it, he will know where it is. I am now composing myself for the death scene, and the funereal gondela crossing the silenly lapping waters of the lagoon, as Venetians gently weep, and a hidden orchestra plays that Mahler bit from death in Venice - Oh weepy weepy. Happy new Year! Giano | talk 12:56, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Well, someone rushed in where angels feared to tread and wrote Sentimental novel. Is this a good thing? Well, we have had our chances for over a year. It's fairly rudimentary, but it exists, so links have all turned blue. Geogre 23:44, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
An RfC has been filed against you: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Bishonen. DO NOT block the endorser of the RfC. Siblings WC 02:25, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Don't be like that, eh?
We often kick people when they are down, or acting stupid *cough* Brandt *cough* and it's not nice. It's understandable but it's not nice.
And if you want a full accounting of my incivility, I'll direct you to a couple of admins who I'm sure have extensive lists.
brenneman (t) (c) 07:07, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
What is going on with HW is a perfect example of poor handling of a situation. I don't pin all the blame on you, because HW has been very melodramatic and hostile, but surely you recognize that there was no good reason for this have come out the way it has. Don't you think she's a good editor? No one can deny such excellent content contributions, suspicions of sockpuppeting or not. An admin has to be able to think, when taking action in a case like this, what is best for the project? Majora's Mask needed to go to a revote, and all the suspected accounts needed to be lumped together as one for any future voting purposes, but that was all that needed to be done. We don't do away with good editors just because they get on our nerves. Somebody has got to remain to write articles. Everyking 07:22, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
I think the block you put on User:VMORO was unfair. Despite your personal content disputes (in which I take no position), he didn't violate neither 3RR nor any other rule that should get him blocked. You accuse him for ignoring your warning, as if it was part of WP:RULES. His edit summaries were not the most civil on earth, but they still wouldn't be classified under 'excessive personal attacks', I've known much worse that goes unnoticed [56]. Finally you indirectly warn him not to edit that article again, or you'll have him blocked with no prior warning. Due all the respect but you have no right to do such thing. Miskin
According to Hollow, she, Winnermario and her brother, use the same computer. They all have their personal Wiki accounts. You say they are suckpuppets because all of their accounts lead to the same IP, but if what they say is true, then they are no suckpuppets. Is that correct? My question: is it against Wiki policy for people to use the same computer and use their own personal Wiki accounts, as Hollow claimed to do? Someone else who might be using Wiki, could log into their account from my computer and start editing. Could you then accuse us for being suckpuppets? What if someone edits from a public computer, such as one from a library, where others might have used it to access their Wiki account?
Well, I'm really not asking for your personal opinion, but for the Wiki policy. You don't seem to have any concrete evidence that they are suckpuppets, other than their IP being the same - which, in my opinion, is not evidence enough. It can only work as a lead. I also disagree with you when you said that she's not a good editor. In my opinion, anyone who contributes with info, is doing good; and all who do good, are good. -- Anittas 15:59, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Rbj and possibly add a comment, if you feel so inclined? r b-j 16:04, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Hello. I have just registered an account on Wikipedia. I was searching for an administrator to help me become familiar with Wikipedia, and stumbled upon you, Bishonen. In regard to the blocks of DrippingInk, Hollow Wilerding, and Winnermario, I must make it clear that the operators of these accounts was... questionable. You see, I was introduced merely yesterday (January 2, 2006) to Wikipedia. The woman known as Hollow Wilerding presented me with her computer as a late Christmas gift as she is ordering a new computer. It might be in your personal interest to know that these three accounts have not been operated by three separate people; these accounts have been operated by two people. William Wilerding owned the DrippingInk account, while Mariah Wilerding owned the Winnermario account, and the reincarnation of Hollow Wilerding. Blocking these users was certainly the best decision that any administrator could make — they are deceitful people with terrible attitudes. Also, they are very clueless when it comes to English, which is a shame considering Mariah is an English teacher. I, Cruz Nelson, served as an English student of Mariah's from 2004–2005. I must admit that it was like living in hell; I have no idea how she was capable of receiving her graduate diploma. All in all, I have come to announce that she literally gave me her computer in an attempt to return to Wikipedia under a new IP address. Although some of their contributions, namely Cool (song) were generous and positive, overall these two siblings are not going to go far in life. Please understand what I am saying.
I must place emphasis on the fact that I, Cruz Nelson, am now operating the computer of a former Wikipedian Hollow Wilerding. The IP address, or from what I was explained to by Mariah, will be very identical. I would like to take this time to come out in the open, unlike Mariah and William, and announce that this computer is being operated by one user, and one user only. If I am having issues with anything related to Wikipedia, I will contact you Bishonen. Thank you for listening and good afternoon. – Cruz AFade ( Speak about it | How many?) 17:33, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
HW has a new sock of her own, Empty_Wallow ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). If this weren't ridiculous before, it definitely is now. -- keepsleeping sleeper cell 19:36, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Yawn. You guys, Bunch, Giano, Geogre, etc, would you please just delete posts from obvious HW footwear on sight if you catch sight of them on my page? Don't waste time replying. Now that you've already mixed these absurdities with your thoughtful observations (I'm referring to Giano), which I would by no means remove, it's not so easy to just clean up the page anymore. It gets long. Bishonen | talk 21:31, 3 January 2006 (UTC).
You have blocked me for 3R simply because I lost my temper with the crap from Greek nationalists. The Balkans pages generally are a disgrace, with lies and propaganda everywhere. It is only a matter of time before Wikipedia is sued for its pretence of providing accurate data while openly allowing manipulation of the information on it. I have tried being polite and it gets nowhere because these people are disgusting little racist nationalists: they have no interest in the truth and are manipulating you and others.-- 87.202.24.206 21:54, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
I can't believe that someone would file an RfC against you. It's totally out of line and the responsible parties should be blocked for trolling. You have my unwavering and total support. - Lucky 6.9 23:26, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Hey, Bishonen! (Remember Bishonen? This is her talk page.) When I re-read the first bit of Fanny Hill earlier, I noticed an explicit reference to Pamela, as Fanny is induced to go to London by a village girl who was a servant there and who told her of a famous girl who, by keeping her virginity, got to marry the lord and become a lady, complete with nice clothes and horses. I've ordered a new copy of it, as my present copy is a ratty tatty Signet Classic edition, but my present edition, for being on pulp paper, does have an introduction by J.H. Plumb from 1965. I'm sure someone has written scholarly work on the book. I plan to try Questia for it. Geogre 04:20, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Read what I wrote at User talk:Empty Wallow, and tell me if you would in fact be willing to let the past issues drop if she does what I have suggested. Please don't cling to hostilities if this can be made to work. Everyking 08:05, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
User:Peter Isotalo keeps placing a vowel chart in Bulgarian language, which has nothing to do with the Bulgarian language. The Bulgarian language has six vowel phonemes (+ 4 allophones, in all 10), the chart has 8 vowels - which are all supposed to be phonemes. I have included one of the sources which I have used during writing the article (the English one), later today it will be followed by the Bulgarian one, which is the latest edition on the Bulgarian language by the Bulgarian Academy of Science. Both sources confirm what I say whereas the vowel chart (which is completely wrong) has an unknown origin as it has not been made by the user who keeps putting it in. I have reverted again the article because the vowel chart is wrong, on top of it, it has an unknown origin. You can re-block me again but sooner or later I'll get de-blocked and there are also other administrators to contact, and I'll pursue my case until the vowel chart gets expunged from the article or gets corrected accordingly. Have a good day. VMORO 10:22, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
risposto - Rapidamente - Per favore Giano | talk 14:03, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Mail! Giano | talk 15:20, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Ok, since this place is such a hopping joint perhaps you, Bish, or someone else may have something to say on this. I've been considering merging playwright into 'play'. To me it makes sense to make this move as there isn't anything in playwright (besides the etymology of the term playwright) that wouldn't be repeated in play or perhaps under another topic like History of theatre. I left a note about this on the talk page of playwright but I haven't recieved a response. Anyone have a sage opinion on this? Thanks! *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 15:21, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Hello. I need to ask for an IP trace to determine whether User:201.137.188.56 and User:64.231.70.46 are sockpuppets of Drippingwilermariodink & Co. (my rationale is spelled out at Wikipedia:Featured article removal candidates/Cool (song)). I'm not sure whether I am allowed or how to ask directly. Thanks. Saravask 18:45, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
HW showed up on Saravask's talk page as 64.231.114.52 ( talk • contribs • page moves • block • block log), if you're keeping track.— Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 00:16, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Let me point out to you that you have absolutely no credibility with me and with others I know. The fact that you saw fit to intervene in a scenario in which you are clearly closer to one person than another indicates a basic misunderstanding of the notion of conflict of interest. The fact that you issued threats against me underlines this.
I have no wish to participate in any dialogue with you, beyond this comment.
Tony 09:06, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Don't let the Sleepy Hollow troll or other conflicts get to you. Here, have this friendly dog (it likes to listen to readings from restoration plays).
I have restarted the Strindberg bio with childhood and education, but haven't gotten much farther than that. Life and work interacts a great deal, but one probably needs to separate them in the article, just referring back and forth between the parts whenever necessary. The amount of stuff written on Strindberg is overwhelming. Make a JSTOR search and you will find a couple of review articles by Alrik Gustafsson from about 1950, covering about a dozen major works published during the years after the war alone (including the biography by Lamm).
BTW, I had no idea until yesterday that Frida Uhl later started a cabaret club in London and was known for firing guns inside luxury restaurants. There are a few references to her as "Madame Strindberg" in the ODNB, as some important English artists worked on the decorations. (She is also called the "widow of the playwright" in one place, which seems odd considering they had been divorced for years at the time. I made a general search for "Strindberg". The article on the publisher Duckworth seems to claim that the Strindberg's The Father, which D. published in English translation, was called Der Fater in the original language. I'm happy that the moronic proposal to ban non-English references was unsuccessful.) Uppland 12:13, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I keep meaning to tell you <boast boast> [58] It's now "18 Frenchmen can't be wrong" and it still has to stay there for ages more. Good thing things are faster here. Giano | talk 16:35, 5 January 2006 (UTC) PS: Its also been on the main page of the Sicilian Wikipedia, and had amazing reviews and reception by all three of the readers.
Thank you for your attention and the release. I should have been in bed anyway. Best wishes. WBardwin 01:26, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Your block of HW went through no process, so it isn't like an ArbCom ban where you could revert on sight. This is getting to the point where I feel like I'm going to have to intervene and unblock her myself. We have a great editor prevented from creating more feature-quality articles because of all this foolishness. The whole point of Wikipedia is being defeated here. Please, I ask you, let's agree on some terms so that she can return to editing, and then we will see if she'll agree to those terms. I promise you that if she violates terms we agree on, I will not try to defend her anymore. Everyking 06:28, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
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Glad to see you're home. I have replied on my user page, As this page is far too long as it is!
Bisgh, I am kind of mentally different and like to do things that people dont approve of necessarliy but how would you like it if you were locked in your parents big house all alone most of the time either with just a computer and a TV?? I DO have friends but they have to come over and see me most of the time and I can't go see THEM without supervision. If have some money from my parents but can't really live alone yet and I don't know when. So a lot of my time is just sitting here :( Now Lucky wants to banish me for doing drugs. Well what would you do if it was after midnight and you hadn't gone out in 2 days either? I"m sorry, do what you have to do but please try to undrestand me. Wiki brah 02:39, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
Thank you so very much for your flower! I'm going to send you some more goats, these are wild ones I photographed in Egypt, just as soon as I have the time to scan them. Hope the holiday was a success, so brave of you to try scuba diving, and snorkelling, in the fjords so unfashionably far north. Giano | talk 22:27, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
I have been pointed in your direction for either a translation, or an explanation of the word "länsteater" and similar. My question arouse because of Gävleborgs Folkteater mentioned in the article Anders Norudde. Do you know if there is a generally accepted translation of this proper name? If not, do you have a suggestion on a not too lenghty explanation of what a "länsteater" is? / Habj 14:41, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
Don't look for me on IRC or the various policy/talk pages. I'm about done with this place. It occurs to me more and more every day that not only will quality get swamped by bulk, but that, increasingly, there isn't even the smallest island for quality, so merely retreating to writing solid article and letting the rabid and distempered gradually agree that Wikipedia should be Everything2 isn't an option. I may go on full break. I haven't decided, yet, but I care less and less about how successful people can be at eliminating any deletion, any featured status, any standards at all. Quality, it seems, is only desired in the abstract, but having one great orgy of self-expression is demanded in the here and now. Geogre 16:48, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
Func( t, c, e, ) 19:11, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
All right already! Bubble gum pink, isn't it? Bishonen | talk 19:19, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen | talk 01:27, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Func( t, c, e, ) 01:42, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
JRM · Talk 11:20, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
-- Bishonen | talk 11:41, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
All those pastel boxes are nice, but there's just... something missing. Some roundness to balance the angularity of the boxes. Oh, I know: File:Madhappyfaceblob.gif
Mindspillage (spill yours?) 16:57, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
I suppose all you wonderful people realize I archived TWO DAYS AGO??? Oh, hey, though, now I know what I want: round text boxes! There's a challenge! Bishonen | talk 18:01, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
JRM · Talk 18:18, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen | talk 19:54, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
[Hastily] Yes, yes, that's excellent, finally something tasteful, you can stop now! Bishonen | talk 21:15, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
...for weirdest talk page ever. Andre ( talk) 07:27, August 13, 2005 (UTC)
El_C 09:08, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
Don't bother archiving any of this. In fact, if it were me, I'd just redirect my talk page to the Sandbox and lock it. JRM · Talk 11:26, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
E70 is explaining that he's tired of me at Talk:Motorväg. I don't think he'll ever actually read the VfD, my argumentation or even applicable policy, so could you give a hand?
Peter Isotalo 15:13, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for supporting my RFA and your kind words there. It couldn't have happened without your effort. FeloniousMonk 17:45, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
It may seem a bit silly to give an admin one for doing their duty, but good job on being patient with me on the stupid articles. >.> -- A Link to the Past 20:03, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bish - paths haven't crossed for a while, trust all has been well with you. I'm just wondering if you might care to have a look at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Zambezi/archive1 and associated comments on Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates - I incorporated a lot of 1911 Britannica text into the article, which has raised questions about whether it can be considered an example of Wikipedia's best work. I seem to recall you've done quite a bit with lavish 1911 prose so would be interested to hear your views. Also, I just put Surtsey up on FAC.
As it seems obligatory to leave splash of colour and/or a silly picture with comments on this page, here you go. Worldtraveller 14:09, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
Yes, that 1911 POV does rear its head on a lot of subjects! With Zambezi, there's luckily not too much of a colonial attitude you can bring in to describing the course of a river, so most of my alterations were just trimming the luxuriant prose into something more toned down. Some time soon I'm going to tackle Andes, which is just a horrible 1911 mess at the moment, and severely handicapped by the fact they didn't believe in continental drift back then. ETPH, it must be said, perhaps verges on 1911EB proportions of hyperbole and descriptiveness, otherwise I think your writing is acceptably modern :) Anyway, look forward to your thoughts on Zambezi and Surtsey! Worldtraveller 17:32, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi pretty boy.
Could I bother your admin powers with removing the images created by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dankell ? Dankell has been moving images from wikimedia commons to wikipedia :-). Doing it now will save someone the trouble of doing it later.
-- Fred- Chess 08:33, August 17, 2005 (UTC)
If you're going to throw your weight around, may I suggest you do a little research first? 212.101.64.4 15:14, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
The anonymous Norwegian user is at it again at talk:Norwegian language. He tried reverting back to the SIL classification and now he's claiming that the letter from a representative from Norsk Språkråd is not neutral because she's writing in Nynorsk. His POV here seems to be that he's a proponent of a) Eastern Norwegian and b) Riksmål and is just generally not listening to argumentation. Can I really RfAr the guy or is this something you or other admins can deal with?
Peter Isotalo 15:41, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
It usually takes more than one individual to make a harsh discussion. I won't excuse anyone's personal attacks, but it appears to me that you have a special ability to end up in controversy. If you hold your finger off the trigger for just a second, I will try and appeal to the anon to reach an agreeable solution. I may still spend less time on the article than I'd like, but hopefully something may come out of it.
Bishonen, sorry for trampling into you page, it just seemed like the best place at the moment. --
Eddi
(Talk) 10:04, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
Bish, could you take a look at Uppsala University, please. There are still another couple of centuries of history to write before I can take it to peer review, but it is already at 35kb and I really need someone else to take a look at the article for suggestions as to structure, and what possibly to move over to sub-articles. I haven't added any references yet, but most of the article is based on Sten Lindroth's little history of the university from 1977. Uppland 10:48, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen. I presume you are aware that Filiocht has decided to leave the project (see: User talk:Filiocht#Why I won't be back any time soon. It seems to me that his leaving should not go unremarked upon. I would like to honor him in some way for all his excellent contributions to the project. I would be willing to try to write something on my own, but I believe that you knew him better and longer than I did, And you are certainly a better writer. And I also thought you might want to have the honor of writing something? Perhaps there are others who should be involved? I would be happy to try to help organize and fashion some kind of tribute. Paul August ☎ 13:17, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
Aw, Cecilia, come to momma! Bishonen | talk 23:01, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
Featured articles
Featured list:
Other contributions:
Perhaps we could call the paean Filiochts Wake? Paul August ☎ 23:10, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
I just saw The Plain Dealer for the fist time (the article, I mean; I've never seen the play acted, but I've read it more than once). It is exactly that kind of nonsense with which we should not up put. You and I like to annihilate it when we see it in our field, and this particular article is certainly in your way, but it occurs to me that one of the things that Filiocht did before he took his name was offer serious, sober, and balanced articles on 19th century British and Irish authors. These are the writers second most likely to be distorted by those abortions planted all over Wikipedia: the public domain encyclopedia. I understand that folks mean well when they plant those corpses in our garden, but it only makes me more wish for a Wiki-pager system. "Thinking of dropping teh literature bomb? Call 555-18TH first!" Filiocht gave us comprehensive, and precise articles. You and I have done what we could as we have had time and inclination, but few will know and fewer care the amount of good this does when we are working on a "I got there first!" project. Geogre 20:39, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
You know, I've used the mop (rollback button) and bucket ( deletion/undeletion) hundreds of times, but I hardly ever reach for the shield of steel ( page protection) or sawn off shotgun ( blocking). -- ALoan (Talk) 15:20, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
just wanted to let you know that I responded to your question on my RFA page. I also jumped through a hoop while writing it for good measure :). Jtkiefer T | @ | C ----- 15:57, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for restoring Tudorbethan, unfortunately User: Neutrality has now moved it yet again, this time to Tudorbethan architecture again with no discussion. Is this common Wikipedia practice? I note Neutrality is an arbitrator! Giano | talk 10:08, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi! I'm back again. I would appreciate the favor of another release, if you happen to be onsite. Thanks. WBardwin 16:30, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
Your user name or IP address has been blocked by Olivier. The reason given is this: Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "WikiNazi". The reason given for WikiNazi's block is: ""i am WikiNazi. i want you all to join me in vandalizing wikipedia"". Your IP address is 205.188.117.69.
August 25th -- different IP address this time. Are you available for another release? Thanks. WBardwin 22:50, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
Your user name or IP address has been blocked by Ryan Delaney. The reason given is this: Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "Mickey663". The reason given for Mickey663's block is: "Sock puppet". Your IP address is 64.12.116.7.
Bish, I think that's a marvelous idea making that thing a redirect. I've never seen these vandal bots override an existing article. It's always a pleasure seeing your words smiling back at me on my talk page. You are, of course, welcome anytime. Ciao for now. :) - Lucky 6.9 22:11, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bish. I have added my source to the references section. I am not sure on the style we use for journal articles so it might look a little goofy. Rje 00:26, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
The autoblocker should be left to do its work unless we can show it's actually hurting people, otherwise folks would log out and go straight on with editing (effectively requiring you to watch out and do every block twice). Unless we know this yokel has an AOL account, there's no need to worry. JRM · Talk 19:26, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for your continued help and willingness to watch out for me. Frankly, I don't recall seeing a time on the "Block" page, but next time I'll copy the whole thing and paste it here. I really am getting used to this obstruction. But, as my time here will be in more discreet blocks in the relatively near future, the time wasted in getting a block cleared will be more important. Appreciate you. WBardwin 00:37, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
Of course I don't mind. Feel free. Enjoy yourself. Sing a little song, even. :-) Joyous (talk) 00:53, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
In case you didn't notice, User:213.237.21.6 vandalize again Talk:Bogdanov Affair with the same personal attacks and garbage. -- YBM 13:45, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
In case you didn't notice "Sophie Petterka" (aka
User:213.237.21.6) is now back as
XAL and is providing great fun (and some abuses against you and I) on
Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal --
YBM 13:54, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for the release --- appreciate you watching out for me. WBardwin 19:37, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen, thank you so much for my Zola, and for fixing that damn user page of mine, which is a real mess. :) I'm planning to refactor it into some useful subpages, based on your extraordinary example. :) Thanks, Func( t, c, @, ) 02:21, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
Until one of them can cure scrofula by touch, I won't believe they deserve absolute power. I think I figured out and articulated why the recent business has me so livid. Unfortunately, I posted it on user talk:Radiant. Basically, I see trepidation over saying anything harsh to Tony as being of a single piece with timidity about addressing Ed Poor. Geogre 03:23, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
For blocking the nasty vandal. How did you manage to interpret the Flemish? JFW | T@lk 21:11, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
I encountered a very good reason to stop respecting the SIL-style of infobox layout at user talk:Karmosin#Slovenian or Slovene. If anyone get's so easily confused by nonsense classification like "South" and then "Western", even if it's easy to check, there's clearly something wrong with that layout. The anon has, of course, auto-reverted at sight with the motivation "it looks ugly". It's annoying beyond belief. Could you lend a hand or something?
Peter Isotalo 07:16, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
I was thinking about writing a short article about the concept of spelman/pelimanni. The question is, what word should be the title. It's spelman in Swedish, pelimanni in Finnish, in Norwegian I honestly don't know nor do I know if they have the word in Danish... The concept is the same throughout the Nordic Folk genre. I don't really think there is a good, accepted term in English. My dictionary says "folk musician, fiddler" and neither is a good description - of course a spelman can be a fiddler, but (s)/he could also play accordeon, nyckelharpa etc.
When Swedish folk music is exported, as far as I can see they usually leave the concepts spelman/spelmansmusik out, and just talk about folk musik but this is less precise. Kulning, spilopipa, instruments made from cow's horns, and songs... these are Swedish folk music, but not "spelmansmusik". Finnish pelimanni music ( JPP etc) tend to mention the word pelimanni in their PR material when exported, maybe because Finland has several other strong folk music traditions that are not higly pelimanni related (kantele, rune chanting). Maybe "pelimanni" as a concept is more spread in English than "spelman?" Still, it this case to me it feels a bit odd to choose a Finnish word over the Scandinavian ones... I might be biased here, of course.
It's like, what ever title I choose for it it will be wrong. The least bad version, maybe, is to randomly pick either "spelman" or "pelimani" as the title, and make a redirect from the other version. Whoha, I have already written more text here than I suppose the first version of the article will be... comments are welcome. / Habj 11:10, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
Please reread the entry as you went into the page and tried to shut it down while it was being edited.
Might be a good idea to give any new page you see a fast glance AND THEN go back a day later before you make a snap judgment on deletions.
Please - not every edits everything at once.
This means extra work for many people who now have to write in and vote for the page to be saved.
Please, consider other people's work, and their time before you make snap decisions.
Uhhh, I'm out of my depth, here. First, I found out that the place I'm working has a library that has the new DNB. Is that good news? Well, yeah, sort of. The Gould entry, for example, is taken entirely from Sloane and from some uncited source. However, the thing here is that I wrote Robert Gould, and I got in a mess. Late, late, late in the article, there is a bit about his attempted tragedies. Rival Sisters is no problem. I've got that nailed. The question is Innocence Distress'd. He tried to hand it to Betterton and Barry, which was stupid, but he probably had no choice (probl because of his patron). Do I lie in the article? Any corrections appreciated, when time and energy permit. Geogre 19:47, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
See, that was the problem. I ended up lying with my own voice, there. The new DNB is pathetically brief with Gould. Everything they have is Sloan, of course, except for one "fact" I've never heard before -- that Gould was the "friend" of John Oldham. They merely say that Inocence Distress'd was never performed. I wanted to specify that the guy tried really hard to get it performed, that he tried, and he was furious when he was held to account for having pointed out what B&B's parents did for a living. So, there I was, trying to guess where he took it, and I don't know the theaters. In essence, then, you've already answered my question. It was The United Company, run more or less by Betterton. Gould reports that Barry had a lot to do with Betterton nixing the play, though he gives Betterton full credit for being (in his opinion) petty. In a way, RG might be a good eye witness to how much power she already had at the time, if not about his own works. Geogre 06:03, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
Google has the following citations of a term you call a "neologism".
Results 1 - 10 of about 5,490,000 for arts towns. (0.49 seconds)
The entry on arts towns has been expanded, and you are redirected to reappraise your vote for deletion of this article based on the materials that were included. Small towns in America have a very tough time attracting tourists, and there are at least 50,000 artists in these art towns in North America who earn a living based on tourism, and their works being known. Please support this work, and please realize that cutting flowers off before they grow is not likely to make a beautiful garden.
thank you.
Bish, thank you for your support, your kind words, and for my Tightrope Award, which now has pride of place on my user page, and which I'll treasure. I've put it next to the gun El C awarded me for when people are too heavy or too annoying for my shoulders. ;-D Best, SlimVirgin (talk) 21:08, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
A long time ago you gave me a certain award, "for all your great work". It's pretty and I treasure it. I don't know whether you have your own ideas about it and whether you have awarded it to others. I would like to give this award to a very small number of people, just one at first, who have humbled me with their grace. I am not capable of producing such pretty pictures myself, but I hope that the idea will strike you as a worthy one. I intend to pass on the torch as a recognition of greatness of spirit. Not mine to pass on, in all honesty, but perhaps a way by which we might encourage the best in one another. I would pass the award to someone who demonstrated graceful attributes that I could only aspire to. -- Tony Sidaway Talk 23:30, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
Oh, am I ever glad I caught you over on "recent changes!" User:Wiki brah is either developmentally disabled to the point of no return or a malicious Internet troll of the worst kind. Bish, I tried to be this guy's friend and all he's done is disrupt the site. One moment he can't type a coherent word, the next he claims to be high on cocaine. Take a look at his RfC page and please tell me I'm justified in yanking this account immediately: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Wiki brah. Thanks! - Lucky 6.9 02:28, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
I think I love you. I'm on the verge of a long wikivacation over this guy myself. Wave bye-bye to the nice troll. - Lucky 6.9 02:34, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
Bisgh, I am kind of mentally different and like to do things that people dont approve of necessarliy but how would you like it if you were locked in your parents big house all alone most of the time either with just a computer and a TV?? I DO have friends but they have to come over and see me most of the time and I can't go see THEM without supervision. If have some money from my parents but can't really live alone yet and I don't know when. So a lot of my time is just sitting here :( Now Lucky wants to banish me for doing drugs. Well what would you do if it was after midnight and you hadn't gone out in 2 days either? I"m sorry, do what you have to do but please try to undrestand me. Wiki brah 02:41, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
All done. I'm sorry to drag you into this, but this guy has been wreaking havoc for two weeks and goes for the sympathy card every time he's called out. Thanks for the support. I hope I've done the right thing and not overstepped my bounds. - Lucky 6.9 02:48, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
Bish, you are the best. I am so sorry to have dragged you into this, seeing as how I'm such a sap. :) Seriously, I hope not to take a fall and I'm sure you won't either. I just don't want a reputation as a "rogue administrator" because of this user's shenanigans. - Lucky 6.9 02:59, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps, but it would get in my moustache! Wokka-wokka! - Lucky 6.9 03:27, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
To make a permanent link to a LIBRIS post, click on "Länka till posten" (in the middle below the entry), and use the URL given on that page. You can link to a search result list the same way ("länka till träfflistan"). Uppland 13:30, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen,
just to let you know that the "consensus" and unprotection was reached when i was either gone or not paying attention. i fixed a few technical things (regarding the name of the relevant newsgroup, and a pointer to it). but i have to object to "Some claim it to be a hoax, while others claim it to be simply sloppy work plagued by errors, and some theoretical physicists think highly of their theories" as not reflecting accurately the bonafide position of the physics community. like Intelligent Design, there is very little debate regarding the quality of Bogdanoff's papers. more than 95% of theoretical physicists believe their "work" to be literally "bullshit". saying "Most physicists understand it to be a hoax or at least to be sloppy work plagued by numerous errors, while some theoretical physicists think highly of their theories." is granting a lot of consideration to the brothers. more than they deserve. r b-j 15:33, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
Hello again Bishonen. Could you please move Uppsala municipality to Uppsala Municipality? Thanks.
Fred- Chess 23:16, September 3, 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I was just reading your user page and thought maybe you might be interested in the vfd for Bifauxnen that I filed recently. Any comments would help. Thanks. — Tokek 03:46, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
Please block HelloMyNameis ( talk · contribs) / 202.156.2.58 ( talk · contribs) I have already reverted him three times on Åland ( history), where he has been adding nonsense on a war between Åland and Luxembourg in 1993. See this message on my talkpage for identity between username and IP. Oh, and another lovely message left on my talkpage here. Uppland 13:47, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi again. I think that all "x municipality" articles should be moved for conformity because we have decided to treat "X Municipality" as a administrative term and not as a translation of the name.
I think this can be safely done to all municipalities. City of Västerås -> Västerås Municipality.
Further: Kalmar municipality, Arjeplog municipality, Grästorp municipality, Götene municipality, Linköping municipality , Landskrona municipality, Norrköping municipality, Övertorneå municipality. Sorry to bother you correcting my mistakes, but I think it needs to be done at some time...
Fred- Chess 19:34, September 4, 2005 (UTC)
I see nothing essayish about Saleiri and Mozart, merely a revelation that the author is a cultivated, sophisticated, rather stylish and educated intellectual, with an appreciation of fine music.
Apart from that thank you for you valued support during this fraught difficult and troubled time of worry. Giano | talk 12:59, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
Well, I added the infamous passage to Robert Gould and put up an unedited Love Given O'er on Wikisource. The way I figure it, that just means fewer people will seek out the also totally unedited Grove reprint of the poem, "edited" by Felicity Nussbaum. It will increase the desire for an annotated version, and especially one that can compare the 1689 and 1709 versions. So...ha! (And, incidentally, I do not fret over charges of indecency, as the lines use clever dashes, so children will never figure out what's being described.) Geogre 02:37, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
In regards to a valuable contributor leaving (dare I say it) - as none of my contributions seem to be valued, it might not be only Giano who leaves. If you want to see how ridiculous this site is getting, have a look at the GNAA FAC and check out what Kosebame has written. He is objecting to the article reaching FA status because he says that the GNAA are only notable on Wikipedia! How one person can get things so wrong is beyond me.
As for standardising things: if we want the site to look and be as professional as the EB, some standardisation is going to have to happen. Looks like noone wants to do this, so it looks like we'll look like shit when it comes to presentation. - Ta bu shi da yu 07:14, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
You should take a look at this.
Peter Isotalo 09:52, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen, I don't know if you still remember, but once, a long time ago, you said to me "ain't nobody here but us chickens" ref. Well, I feel "lonely chicken" on this one, a new guideline I happen to think might be an asset to Wikipedia: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people). I see you're very busy, nonetheless I'd welcome any criticism (positive or negative) on the talk page of that proposed guideline! -- Francis Schonken 14:03, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
Before you sigh too loud, Bishonen, I'm not doing this for my own amusement, and secondly, it doesn't seem as though I have become an admin yet, so what can I do? :-)
Articles move request:
I was hesitant about Solna and Östra Göinge because we might warrant separate articles about those anyways, but this is not certain, and it would look wrong to have them in that format when every other article is not. The others I had missed in the list of municipalities.
Thanks again. // Peace Fred- Chess
At last ten minutes to return and have a look around, as usual I go away for five minutes and return to chaos. Why exactly is John Vanbrugh protected? - how many more have to make their feelings felt on that subject, and as for poor old Matthew Brettingham he is still languishing on FARC, and "Ta bu whatsit" who caused all the problems is flouncing around the encyclopedia like a second-rate prima donna in a tawdry tu tu declaring Garboesque he wants to be left alone, but still editing from a number which everyone know is him - all very confusing! Well, I think, he's jolly lucky no-one spotted him breaking the three revert rule on John Vanbrugh or he would be alone for a while. Did he leave for half an hour because of me or that horrible "Gay nigger thing", will one ever know - do you suppose? I'm back properly on Monday, so will pick the goats up then, give them a pat. Have fun. Giano | talk 06:31, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
I was just following some links and wondered why the fabulous User:Bishonen/European toilet paper holder had been deleted. It was a fabulous piece. Was it saved somewhere else ? Anthere
Hey Bishonen, its been a long time since I've had a moment to stop and chat with you on IRC. I want to make sure that everything is OK with you before I go on to ask you for your help. It seems that User:Karmosin has decided that since his proposal for the introparagraph of the Hong Kong article was rejected on the talk page, he is going to take the argument to articles for deletion. Would you mind going to take a look at the argument going on there about the article Pronunciation of Hong Kong? The argument is here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pronunciation of Hong Kong. Thank you! Páll (Die pienk olifant) 18:15, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
I would like to award you the Order of the Flaming, Dancing Hellpot for your ability to sniff out troublemakers (like our logo-loving friend from L.A.) and your willingness to send them where they belong. paul klenk 20:01, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
Interesting...more fun than the average Barnstar! Got your message, kiddo. Excellent idea. I'll mention it on the VfD for that current one. Some freaking vacation. :) - Lucky 6.9 02:40, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
Bish, in case you're wondering where the flaming hellpot came from, take a look at this page which I authored: New_York's_Village_Halloween_Parade paul klenk 15:00, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi there. Thought you might be interested to know that I've added a (very) little bit more information to this article, and a couple of useful links to talk. It might be possible to work up a better synopsis of the Phelps play from Google hits - it seems to be popular with am dram groups - but given the quality of the rest of this article, I'm reluctant to rely just on that. OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 08:33, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
Hi. I applogies for 'spamming' your talkpage like this, but some time ago you was helpfull with comments on one of 'my' other articles on old Norwegian rifles and I wondered if you might be interested in helping out peer reviewing the article on the Kammerlader. Thank you for your time. WegianWarrior 11:23, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi, Igor Bogdanov is (again) multi-reverting the page tonight... I'd guess it's time to block the page for some time on your last version. -- YBM 21:54, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
When have I trolled and made personal attacks recently? I beg to differ. If calling out admitted sockpuppets with sockpuppet warnings is trolling, then their is a serious issue with the system. Please provide someting showing that I was giving you justification for a block. Have a good day! 67.18.109.218 19:20, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
I was going to remove it before you send the message, but I was reading a message paul sent me via email, I will do that now. .::Imdaking::. Bow | Down! 21:56, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
All major credit cards accepted! The Godfather
Although I had not yet finished adding evidence, or making my case, the ArbCom has already closed it. So perhaps I shouldn't have bothered. Paul August ☎ 00:58, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for taking an interest in this. It's easy to feel like a lone voice in the wilderness. As an aside, while I'm sure IRC is a very useful tool, I really wish folks would try and conduct these kind of policy/procedural discussions in a more public place where all of us can participate, and where there is a public record, to which we all can refer. It kind of makes the rest of us feel like outsiders, and it enforces the perception (I hope wrong) that important decisions are being made in smoke-filled back rooms. Paul August ☎ 02:41, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Youre welcome, By the way, will the page be deleted, since it's uselwss now? .::Imdaking::. TLK | Y! 02:58, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
I'm a-looking, and I'm a-pondering. I'm not sure yet. Prolly tonight. Geogre 13:29, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Well, I waited 24 hr after her last complaint and added a paragraph on the talk page just to explain that the block keeps going. Now Bratsche's about to give up on helping her. If Nicholas sticks it out, he'll have earned his hermitage. I actually think this is not the run of the mill sort of trilingual misunderstanding followed by edit warring and a desire to poot in the punch. Geogre 13:54, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
Bish, if you, by any chance, are considering some punishment of Giano for the cruel, vile, wicked and villainous kid-napping, may I suggest a stint of forced labour on creating much-needed articles on Neo-Renaissance and Neo-Baroque? (The second one is just a redirect to Baroque.) -- Uppland 10:19, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
I see that you've scolded and warned User 67.18.109.218 for obnoxious behavior. This user made an unfounded "Sockpuppet" accusation and vandalized my User page. He/she should be blocked. -- AStanhope 17:23, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Re: User talk:Imdaking/Complaints: User:Imdaking seems to be behaving himeself for the time being, except for his initial outburst directed at User:Paul Klenk after the block period ended. If there will be no problem resurrecting the page if it is ever needed for an AFAr, then I have no objections to your deleting the page. Otherwise, I would say it might be better to blank it and then protect it again. PS: I appreciated your asking me. BlankVerse ∅ 18:49, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
Pleas expand here [6] it's more or less your subject (well, actually it's not, bit I'm sure you can invent something suitable) if you do I'll let you have some of the glory when it's an FA. You can also copy edit the lot if you like, I'm away for most of the day! You are kind! Giano | talk 06:57, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
You haven't commented. If it is OK, then I will remove the request on SWNB to do list. Regards, Fred- Chess 20:34, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
You like them, don't you? :-P -- WikiFanatic
Thankyou for the copy edit; I note your interest in the sanitation; but are you sure you don't know anything about classical Italian theatre costume, surely you must know something - anything at a;; will do. Its got to be much longer before it can be an FA - you don't think it reads like an essay do you? Giano | talk 16:06, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
I dont know why you are very unfirnednly to me I mean I am just doing my best but you are always calling my templates "rubbish" which is not very nice and quite unecessarily caustic. Just look at this one I spend a lot of time on:
If nothing else aren't the colors nice and pretty? I love clors and making and designing one day I might want to design women's clothse and shoes. I'd make some for you if you want! Dlo you want wedge heels or the traditional one with your platforms. What color? Open toe for sure I'd dsay. Wiki brah 16:35, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
Ahem, then please explain this: "his specialty is creating lots of rubbish stubs and templates, which get deleted and disappear from the list." here That is you saying something about my templates. Is it not? Please explain your last statement. Wiki brah 16:58, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
No. I was expecting that, change what you like in that respect, we, are destined to have to live, by others' city and country definitions, I've thought about moving the page to Palazzo Pitti, what do you think of that? Or would that be too hard for those few tourists brave enough to visit Europe. Great copy edit, I've made a few changes accordingly, d'you think it nees to be longer - aso i think there is too little on the museume etc, do you think the minor ones neeed rounding up under one banner? PS: Are tickets to Brazil very expensive - it sounds like my kind of place. Giano | talk 18:32, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
take credit for rewrites much. :-) Cf. before and after Richard Blackmore -- I got to the DNB today is all, and I noticed a thing or two interpretive that explains a thing or two about him. Geogre 01:01, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
Hehe—thanks, Bishonen and Chris, for your sharp eyes. I did find it pretty amusing, though. It looks like User:Iasson was upset that I blocked User:Bank Able today. At least this was more creative than the tired old user-page vandalism. And this is my first real impostor! — Knowledge Seeker দ 05:17, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
I could cope with the removal of the expansion to point 6 (what not to write at the top of a nomination), but I will argue strongly that the additional signpost in point 1, concerning the need to have nominations copy edited thoroughly beforehand, should stay. Substandard prose was becoming a serious problem in the nominations, and I think (although I'm not certain) that the problem has lessened since the recent expansion of point 1. Clearly, nominators either had a distorted sense of the standards that apply ('compelling, even brilliant' prose) or weren't reading the criteria.
As a contributor who has put a lot of time and effort into trying to raise the standards of prose in the nominations, I thought that something needed to be done. When I comment on poor prose in nominations, I feel I need either to roll my sleeves up and fix it myself, or quote several examples and pull them apart; it's a lot of work. That is why I acted, and no one has since complained. I wouldn't mind if the italic highlighting in point 1 were softened to roman. Tony 00:48, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen, thanks for your message; I've interpolated my responses into it. I hope you don't mind my pasting our dialogue into the FAC discussion page.
Tony, I appreciate your good intentions and the urgency that made you expand the instructions. But I do think it's bloat to add specifics on one aspect of one of the (many) criteria, right next to the link to the criteria themselves. Nominators need to either make very sure to click on that link, or else several other specially important points need to be mentioned up front (which I'm against, as creating more bloat). I'm pretty sure lack of references, for instance, is as frequent a problem as lack of copyediting.
Perhaps you might edit the criteria page further instead (I see you already did), to emphasize the need for copyediting?
Though I also stand by my remark about it looking condescending to tell everybody to go get somebody else to copyedit before nominating. Wouldn't you agree that there are articles that are good to go directly from the hands of the author/s/..?
My overriding concern is that the instructions be kept simple and practical. Following Bishonen's Law, they will naturally tend to be always growing, as people add their own special concerns over time, while hardly anybody ever removes anything. I know Raul654 agrees with me in general, in fact it's Raul's ruthless pruning that has kept the FAC instructions so nice and simple compared to those of Peer Review. It wasn't very long since you made the additions, so it's possible that no one complained because no one noticed yet; the longer the instructions are, the more cursorily they'll probably be read, that's the problem.
I've also helped raise the standards of prose on WP:FAC, both before and after articles are nominated. For instance, some teenagers have caught a habit of asking my help on IRC ("Bish, u r a grammar nazi, will u proofread my FAC?" :-) No, I haven't heard more of those pleas since you made your changes). I've authored a number of FAs myself, see e. g. The Country Wife and its vote if you're interested. Best wishes, Bishonen | talk 08:17, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Tony 09:34, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
I am really at my wits end with this guy. Bish, would you please keep an eye on the page Los_Angeles_Department_of_Transportation, and its author Imdaking. It is a clear copyvio, and I have now blanked the content. Imdaking is challenging that it was ever placed there, and says the tag will be removed.
I even got a note from Pacific Coast Highway telling me I hadn't reported it correctly. I took his word for it. Now, I see that it's been on the copyright problem page since Sept. 12.
I will also notify Lucky. paul klenk talk 03:14, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
"I also notified luky." -- .::Imdaking::. Bow | DOWN 03:41, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Actually, I think this may all be a simple mistake. I'm assuming that Imdaking may have thought that just because the info came from a municipal government site that it was public domain. Just my two cents' worth. - Lucky 6.9 03:44, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Fvw, check your wikipedia e-mail, please? Bishonen | talk 09:33, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Sure thing, done. Tony 14:51, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Check now! Hmph! Giano | talk 15:42, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
I should go to bed rather than bother you. But I would appreciate a release of the following block -- different AOL IP number again. Thanks. WBardwin 06:20, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
Your user name or IP address has been blocked by Jtkiefer. The reason given is this: vandalism Your IP address is 64.12.116.139.
Due to the sudden, and numerous, increases in template traffic and activity; It has occurred to me to create a template of my own to indicate the numerous pages I have edited, or am thinking of editing, or indeed have read or stumbled upon by chance. In this way I can have my name prominently displayed numerously all over the site, and on even more history files, my edit count will rise, and eventually lead to my own talk page bearing the template "Notable Wikipedian" - a template incidentally for which I am long overdue. It occurred to me you may like to comment on the design of this momentous template, I am thinking of a small cameo foto of me taken on my last beach holiday to Ibiza (a rather flattering foto, as I was 19 at the time) accompanied by the legend "Giano woz here!" In this way other editors can wait with excitement and bated breath for even more numerous appearances of my flowing golden text and frequently punctuating punctuation. I give you the opportunity to be part of this exiting new project as your talk page will be the first to bear this large, colourful and informative template. Giano | talk 06:51, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
banana banana banana banana banana banana banana Bishonen | talk 16:04, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
What is? The Cherry Orchard, or a person? Geogre 19:04, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
Take it easy eh? :-) Don't try solve stuff by yourself, always drag as many folks down with you as possible ask other people for help! :-) You're starting to sound a little wikiburnoutish though. Take it easy, I'd hate to see you have to take a long wikibreak ^^;;
Kim Bruning 00:51, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
P.S. Here is a picture of a goat, though it may soon be deleted. So, enjoy it while it's yes! Best wishes, El_C 01:18, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen. I hope you can help me on this... You appear to have some languistical skills, so I come to ask you about changes user 81.109.252.129 made on September 27 (today) that caught my watchlist. Do you know if the expression "died" to be preferred for "passed away" (Such as in this instance)? Fred- Chess 15:10, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
As I feared, Hiding auto-reverted my move of American comic book to American comics without any attempt to support his views with references or the likes. He made a post at my talkpage about it without any further argumentation, but with a claim that consensus had already been reached about this issue at WP:CMC.
The current contrived separation of "American comic book" and "British comic" will make any attempt to expand the articles very hard. Some kind of help would be appreciated.
Peter Isotalo 17:40, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
Well, I found out that Angus Ross wrote the article on John Arbuthnot for the new DNB. How could I resist using it as my reference work for totally rewriting that article? At least it now tells us something, like how to get a Ph.D. in a single day. Geogre 00:27, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
I've seen autoblocks of your requested block come by a few times. Are you sure that the user has a static IP he isn't sharing with anyone else? Otherwise this could be blocking innocent editors. -- fvw * 00:43, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen!
I'm writing this message to you because you are one of the editors who supported Nafaanra language on its way to become a Featured Article. Back in February, quite a few of you asked for sound recordings. I am really excited to let you know that User:Alafo, who came across Wikipedia when googling for Nafaanra, the native language of his wife, has provided us with some fine recordings of the language. I have just added them to the article so that all of us can enjoy the sounds of Nafaanra from Ghana. Kind regards, — mark ✎ 10:45, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for that, I had completely forgotten I had already done him, untill I eloborated him, he's very important to my masterpeice. Do you know how to make it clear it's a sub-page, as he and some others are all part of my theme. I've some wonderful portraits - but wiki has had that - bloody info box, it's like a downmarket Sunday tabloid. Did you see ALoan@s link - that was actually very funny! Very funny indeed. What a nice little goat - is she lonely here? Giano | talk 20:35, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen. Now that the people have started to delete images, I thought I could finally get some of my orphans deleted, images I moved to commons a long time ago. So I started tagging them with "no source", since admins seem ruthlessly happy with deleting those.
But then I remembered that I know two admins who might do that for me even faster. A little embarrising to have to ask you all the time though. I would do it myself, but I still don't seem to have become admin.
Here are my orphans.
Fred- Chess 20:31, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
You have violated the spirit of Wikipedia:Edit summary - "edit summaries are not the place to carry on debates or negotiation over the content. Doing this will actually exacerbate the situation, because it naturally encourages the other party to respond in the same manner". In other words, describe your EDIT, don't converse with other EDITORS.
Now then, are you reverting me out of spite? Rivarez is a sock puppet of Wik. You're encouraging him by edit warring. -- Netoholic @ 05:07, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
To add a personal note, keep in mind that edit summaries travel as a permanent record along with the article. Internal Wikipedia bickering is inappropriate use of the edit summary. It's also the one thing on Wikipedia you cannot undo. -- Netoholic @ 05:13, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
I hope you are not too upset about the above edit. Here is the second batch of orphaned jpg COA: Image:Bromölla City Arms.jpg, Image:Surahammar City Arms.jpg, Image:Sorsele City Arms.jpg, Image:Perstorp City Arms.jpg, Image:Piteå City Arms.jpg, Image:Gotland City Arms.jpg.
// Thanks. Fred- Chess 20:21, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
I did receive it, Bishonen.
Thank you, and check you mailbox! Big hugs,
Shauri
Yes babe? 02:35, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Good morning Bishonen,
Thank you for your advise regarding the photo. I just inserted the requested tag on the description page. Hope I did it correctly. Let me know if there is a problem. Thank you again for your kind help which really helped us to achieve a balanced article. Your different posts and interventions were of great influence on its present state. Best to you, Igor
...has been memorialized at the bottom of this page. paul klenk talk
Have the Ed Poor Memorial Crazy Bastard Audacious Action Barnstar for your work to quieten down this idiotic conflict -
David Gerard 18:11, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Actually quite a good job ! Meanwhile, User:Igor B. have just violated the 3RR rule :
-- YBM 18:07, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
Indeed I have not (always prompt to denonciate people, as usual, YBM).
The confusion comes from the fact that Grichka (my brothers) is away from Paris at the moment. During his travels, he plugs in his "PC Card" on his laptop and access network. Since he did not follow the last developements of our conversations, he does not know that he should log in under his name before posting. I will contact him tonight by phone and tell him that. If I did not do it before it is because, frankly, I thought that we had reached an agreement and that the article would not be subject to anymore changes. Helas! it was without counting YBM and his friend RBJ. As I wrote on the article page, I do not think that they are concerned by the common objective to reach a good article. There is something else in their action : desire to destroy? pleasure to "dominate us"? Ego problems? I don't know. But I know that as long as they do not understand the definition of what a "good article" should lool like (which does not mean a positive article about us) and accept the rules of Wikipedia, we will not reach any consensus.
Igor
I am ready for any improvement of the article, of course. But not for "blind addition" of negative quotes (as YBM and RBJ already did). We do have a major difficulty here. Either we merely suppress these citations (and we are entering the terrible "revert game"), or we add "positive" citations to balance the global content of the article. But this solution (endless addition of citations) will end up in a long collection of phrases and "anti phrases" which will loose everyone. Instead of gaining in clarity, the article will on the contrary become quite long and confusing.
What is your feeling? Is there a way to contain the "flud of citations" wanted by rbj and ybm?
Igor
Good morning,
I just added some more "positive" comments in reaction to all the "negative" material collected by rbj. As I said, I do not think that it is a good idea to put together all these comments. I have 2 remarks and one proposal.
Remark : Rbj is now obliged to collect private emails (ie the one between the journalist Fabien Besnard and Urs Schreiber) in order to feed his "negative" tank. How far can we go like this? I observe that, at this point, we have far more "positive" (and argumented) material (it all comes from scientific discussions or reports made by mathematicians or physicists about our work) than rbj. If we continue like this, his material will come from YBM and other "internet anti Bogdas" that are haunting various forums. I really do not think that this will improve the article, far from it. As it is today, this article is really less good and clear than yesterday. Does rbj really care about it? Does Ybm care about it? I do not think so. Their only aim is to hit their target, by all means. As soon as we try to have a scientific discussion (ie our last answer to Lubos Motl on the discussion page) they promptly invent another pseudo to pollute this discussion with the same old "rengaines".
Proposal : I propose to come back to the version we achieved yesterday (with only the 3 "positive" additions to the 3 "negative" rbj's). At this point, every Wiki reader would have understood the controversial content of the "affair. This wayn the article would still be clear and readable.
What is your opinion?
Best regards to you,
Igor
How is an editor supposed to react in front of such a conduct ? -- YBM 22:42, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, appreciate you watching out for me. WBardwin 01:54, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
Check out Bathos. Maybe I'm too close to the article, but what's there now just seems...wrong. I have unkind words to say on the talk page, but it's not even about that. It just seems...broken. Geogre 03:26, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
That's what I mean. It opens now in the middle of things, tosses about pop culture willy nilly, and then screws up the definition. Arguably, the anon meant to be 19th century clever with that allusion to Dunciad, but it's just...weird. I don't want to do the rewrite, as it would look like reversion, and, as I said on the talk page, it's not that all the stuff is worthless. It's just kind of unusable and absolutely misplaced. (For a different example of why Wikipedia is doomed to misinform the world, see Weland. It's all a Wiglaf-like run through the dry slopes of Norse mythology, and then, without any warning at all, it's a comic book discussion placed on the same level of priority.) Geogre 20:21, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
BTW, I'm not trying to be difficult here, but you may or may not feel like doing the rewrite on Bathos, but do you know of anyone else I could ask? Would anyone else get why the article is messed up? Do you think it wouldn't look like stomping on newbies if I did it? (I really don't want to, because I'd delete a lot of the new stuff.) Geogre 20:23, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
It is. "Bathos" is an insult for a bad author who "sinks" when he attempts the sublime. Pope coined the term to suggest something deeper than the profound. He used the term to make fun of Philips and Cibber, and he picked out their worst lines as examples. Particularly, it occurs when the author doesn't realize that his comparison is so jarring as to be stupid or so indecorous as to be illegal (the comparison of God with a chamber maid in "God swept the clouds from the sky"). When the very lofty is done in a very low setting, you get bathos, but it has to be something performed with sincerity. That's why the Children's Theater production of Oedipus Rex is a perfect example: the little tykes are trying their best, but a 12 year old mouthing Sophocles is too much for the mind to bear without laughing. What bathos isn't is the conscious technique of undercutting that all our favorite poets used excessively. Pope, in particular, even did it with his rhymes, so that one line's rhyme with the next would imply an undercutting comparison. When Kierkegaard said that "the loss of an arm, a leg, or a wife" would be more noticed that the loss of a soul, he was being clever. When my student said, "A person could be mugged, murdered, or even raped!" she was being bathetic, but the deflation in series is really a cheap example (which is one why all that stuff at the opening is doubly silly). The biggest thing is that it's a pejorative. You'd never use it for Rape of the Lock or Description of a City Shower or London or Trivia, and yet all of those use a lot of undercutting and conscious comparison of the high with the low. Geogre 01:48, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
I guess I'll do the rewrite in a day or two. Right now, I'm watching a
FAC debate. I don't have much pride of authorship with it, but I do want it to succeed all the same, because I can't foresee its getting promoted without a nomination or its getting much better organically in less than 5 years.
Geogre 01:51, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments. I was the one who wrote the paragraphs. Sorry I forgot to sign. Kindly check my new comments. Marax 07:21, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
"Tickler file" is a generic term to refer to any list one keeps of reminders of things that will need to be attended to in the future. There is no feature in Wikipedia called "tickler file". But, you could create a subpage off your user page to keep a list of such things for your own periodic review. -- Durin 13:28, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen, I just completed a project I started on Saturday. I had help from fifteen translators. To see it, click on the first item in the row below. This menu will follow you from page to page. Follow the arrows from link to link. Have fun.
paul klenk talk 00:08, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Wow, you're one international Wikipedian. Glad you liked the cheese (it wasn't from JRM, actually). Flaming, dancing Bishonen, 17:18, 5 October 2005 (UTC).
I get Kappa trying to prove that voting "keep" without regard to an article's contents is good, and you get XAL and YBM. <sigh>
Thanks for the compliment on Arbuthnot. I think, looking back on it, that it's slightly too chrnological and could benefit from more shaping (which would free it more from the DNB without letting it fall into the POV-trap of 1911). Swift knew that Arbuthnot was fat (and got fatter; he looks fine in his portrait, but at the end of his life he was quite overweight) and consequently waddled, so mentioning the waddle was a way of politely not mentioning the obesity, I think. I love what you're doing with The Relapse. Just call, if you want any help there. My own (pathetic) Peterborough Chronicle is getting improved while on FAC by the voters, which is a rare and wonderful thing. I really did nominate it early, but I wanted to get a medieval lit. FA on the boards and knew that I wouldn't be able to get Ormulum up to snuff for a while (if ever; there just isn't much to say about it, while Peterborough has a ripping yarn in it).
Macheath found a Swedish toy that had been lost in my car since North Carolina today, and I have had to hear it all day. (The toy was stowed in the car during a move and never dug out from under the seat until the repo man came. It was rescued after the reclamation from the repossession.) Geogre 02:51, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Just wanted to say thanks for the Norwegian and Danish terms. Did you know them, or searched for them? I finally ended up on speleman - one of the Norwegian versions of the word, that also is very common in Swedish. speleman music Maybe someone comes up with a more generally accepted English term, if there is one, later.
It will be interesting to see if someone with more detailed knowledge on the subject turns up. What I can contribute will, for natural reasons, be pretty Sweden-biassed although it is obvious that this subject is better handled from a Nordic, rather than a Swedish, Danish etc. perspective. Do you know if there is a space at enwiki where people who are interested in music (other than pop and rock) meet?
Actually, it is fun that there is a field where English Wikipedia doesn't already have all the articles. :-) I sometimes get the impression I can not do much here... / Habj 16:23, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Forget for a minute the long-winded explanation on my talk page. Does the text of the article now explain why Winchester Cathedral is linked, or did I misunderstand the question? Geogre 21:22, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Hang on. You're not expecting me to be responsible for Winchester Cathedral being poor, are you? When JRM unpacks for a print version, that print version doesn't exist yet, and most of the time people pipe the references, it's to get grammatical agreement in the sentence, so unpacking makes little sense to me. The flaw is in the print version, not the smooth-reading online version, and I don't think we should be sacrificing readability to prevent some hypothetical problem. "This place's chronicle was a copy of that place's" is the sense of my sentence, and I think there would be overuse of "chronicle" to unpack the prep. object. As for the Winchester Cathedral article having no #History section that covers its importance as a medieval center of learning, that's something that can be fixed. The link is so that folks can know what I mean when I say "Winchester's": I don't mean the town of Winchester's or a guy named Winchester's, but the cathedral at Winchester's. The "easter egg" does count, since anyone clicking on that link would find Winchester Cathedral, which was built just after the Conquest, and which took over from an older abbey (and that's in the article). It would be great if there were a Winchester Chronicle article, but that's a bit too esoteric. The Winchester Chronicle is remarkable mainly as being the best one for the early accounts and being terribly commonly copied by other houses. Its Anglo-Saxon is standard and unremarkable, and it stops at the Conquest, so there isn't much to say about it. Further, it's not one of the ones with remarkable and unique material in it (e.g. Battle of Brunanburgh or the little sermons interposed or the accounts of marvels). It's a very respectable, restrained chronicle, which is what makes it kind of dull and not worth writing about except as a component of Anglo-Saxon Chronicle. Geogre 01:00, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
BTW, "the Winchester Chronicle" is usually called "The Parker Chronicle," because Matthew Parker owned it after the monastic break up. "The four chronicles recognized as distinct are called the Winchester Chronicle, the Abingdon Chronicle, the Worcester Chronicle, and the Peterborough Chronicle." Wikipedia has articles on only Peterborough and Anglo-Saxon Chronicle. Lacking a chance to refer to an article on Parker Chronicle (which would also need a pipe, because they wouldn't understand the geographical reference of Winchester Cathedral from the name used today for it), there are only two places I could refer: Anglo-Saxon Chronicle or Winchester Cathedral. Geogre 01:10, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
I noticed that Aaron Breneman says that rhyming couplet insults will be treasured. Well, heck, that's easy for anyone who reads Dryden and Pope every week. :-) (No, no insults, but it was fun to attempt pentameter couplets...sometimes iambic and sometimes not.) Geogre 14:57, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
My dear Bishonen: I wanted to thank you very much for your support of my RfA candidacy. I feel privileged to count you amongst my friends on Wikipedia, and I feel honoured that so many people whom I respect have volunteered their support and kind words. Your support, friendship, and assistance (especially with the Bogdanov Saga) is, as always, a true asset, and one that I am not sure I could do without on Wikipedia; for that alone I owe you immense gratitude. I do hope that I shall be a good skipper of HMS Adminship, and I promise to sail her as best I can through both calm seas and rolling, tempestuous storms. Once again, thank you, my dear. I shall speak to you on IRC. Yours, -- NicholasTurnbull | (talk) (e-mail) (cabal) 03:36, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, Bishonen, for taking time to write comments (for a record third time) on the Opus Dei page. I've just modified the introduction of the article to incorporate your suggestions and proposed to the guys there a possible solution to the issue. I will also explore other ways to incorporate the "other POVs" more explicitly in other parts of the article. Again, my sincerest thanks, for you have been so kind. :-) Best wishes! Marax 07:00, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
Its too long? There's another section on interiors to go yet! I don't want to chop any out, I've already done 10 sub pages! Giano | talk 09:29, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
This one's cheesy, but I did write Redwolf's ode. Geogre 13:17, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
for the congrats. I was noticing that FA's were getting shorter and shorter and shorter, so I figured that PC, about which nothing much more could be said without getting into philology (which would be as fun for the general reader as going through the strengths of covalent bonds in a chemistry article is), would work. I appreciate the help and apologize for the prickliness. Geogre 19:23, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi, just discovered this. Are you interested in helping it along, as nothing much seems to be happening with it? Geogre? Anyone else watching? Filiocht | The kettle's on 09:12, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
Because they should be... A Link to the Past brought you up as someone who supported trimming List of Wario games down. I'd appreciate it if you could voice your opinion at Talk:List of Wario games, since a fair few users (myself included) have some objections to trimming that list. - A Man In Black ( conspire | past ops) 21:14, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
It appeareth that Colley Cibber will be widely seen on one of the 50 top web sites in the world on October 18, 2005. Congratulations to its author! Geogre 14:29, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
What's a Sic bar? Sic transit gloria mundi? I've been to some really shady bars before, and some of them were kind of unhealthy, but I'm not sure any were sic. So, once more, with feeling: Bishonen, your Colley Cibber article is going to be on the main page next week. There. Oh, and Congratulations on that, and brace yourself for a thousand tiny helping hands on it. Geogre 01:38, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
You know, I think about it more and more.
See, Wikipedia propagates through a zillion mirrors. It gets all over the world. So did Charles Gildon. Gildon spread his lies through 2-3 centuries of biographies and textbooks by lazy editors and authors and by the unfortunate. It would be justice to fictionalize a sentence or two in the bio. It would not be "WP:POINT," as some would accuse me of, but 18th:POINT or Lit:POINT. It would be a little poetic justice. How about giving him a love affair with a black African in Antwerp?
At any rate, if you like getting in the middle of wiki-controversies and abuse of admin powers and the like, then look at Talk:Manichaeism, where I may end up in a revert tiff with an anonymous coward (Mr. IP Freely) who is fairly obviously a true believer of some revival of this cult. He generally left my edits to the article alone, but he removed one sentence. Weirdly, it was a sentence that made his people look good, not bad, but I'm not sure that his reading skills are all that great. I reverted his removal of that sentence. If he removes it again, I'll revert that again. Anyway, just a heads up on that. (Also, on Talk:Manichaeism I issued one of those "go play in traffic" dismissals that can only make him angry. I'm sorry, but once it became clear that I was corresopnding not just with a heretic, but a person trying to be a heretic revivalist (how bizarre is that...ransacking history to find a heresy to support?), I figured that he wasn't at the article to write a history, but to express a view. There wasn't going to be any good coming of further dialog, so a dismissal was the kindest thing possible.) Geogre 02:30, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
I jusst wante to let you know I'm back home now and just hopping everything is going all right with you. If you have any qusetions just let me know honey. Wiki brah 03:40, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
This time it's at talk:skånska#Requested move. I'm hoping people are actually going to understand my arguments, but it would be nice to have some support if violet/riga comes along demanding to get her paragrafrytteri-thang done.
Peter Isotalo 02:57, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Talk:Skånska#Requested moved I have altered single "first past the post" vote to approval voting so that we can try to reach a consensus. Please check that your vote still reflects your position as I may have misunderstood your voting intentions or you may wish to vote for more than one proposal. Philip Baird Shearer 22:03, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
The redirect wasn't nonsensical as you claim. Yu-gi-Oh! is gay...I remember last summer, everyone was so OBSESSED with it...and the show lays a turd. So yeah, that was dumb. Sorry. But I didn't know that making something a redirect blanked it!
There is some fun erupting on my talk page that requires literature, pop culture, and, optionally, Wikipersonae. Geogre 18:21, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi, can you put a block on this user? They have continued to vandalise since your "This is your final warning" warning, see for example calcium chloride. I don't know the procedure for requesting a block, but this person is quite persistent. Thanks, Walkerma 18:35, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to come here only for the fun things, but here I am again asking for a special favour.
There has been some anonymous uncautious editing to republic:
There's this other user who first thought I had done the "damage", but I quickly made him see that wasn't the case, so we both agreed to go and look for an admin capable to revert to the earlier version, before the selective delete.
So if you feel like it (or could point me to the proper procedure for such questions), would it be possible to revert to the version by user:MONGO, 07:50, 12 October 2005 (that is this version) - MONGO had apparently reverted the first attempt at section deleting by 213.202.183.129, but not the next one. -- Francis Schonken 21:12, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Re: [9] That's understandable. The more important matter, I suppose, is preventing the misuse of the "dubious templates." Their use would set a bad precedent for misusing the tools meant to flag unverified information in articles as tools in flame wars in the Wikipedia and Talk namespaces. Thanks for your consideration. 172 | Talk 12:04, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
I just got your note on my talk page. In order to avoid the crossfire (and further charges of "immorality," "abuses of power," and "deleting evidence"), I no longer want to make any edits to the VfU discussion. But I trust you to delete or modify any of my comments as you see fit. Thanks again for the consideration. 172 | Talk 12:36, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
I appreciate your intent, and explanation on VfU, and I probably would not have objected to the <personal attack removed> if it had not seemed so conclusive and condemnatory (.e.g., presuming to be judge and jury). Something less conclusive such as <rm alleged personal attack> or <rm possible personal attack>, that would have suggested to the readers that they should make their own judgements, would probably have been fine. I am satisfied with the current state, because the readers are at least made aware that there is a record/history to be investigated.
As to the specific comment which seems to concern you the most, there is a history between 172 and me that justifies most of it (he was territorial about certain articles in which he largely painted post Stalin soviet leaders as reformers, and barely documented the continued oppressive nature of the regimes). The part where I extrapolate to his possible personal life, is of course, speculative. I admit that it is entirely possible that in his personal life he is a complete Milquetoast, and would never cross any questionable lines, and his behavior here is just a manifestation of the breakdown in of moral restraint that occurs under the cloak of anonimity. But by speculating in this way, I hoped to convict his conscience with what others might conclude from his behavior. He seems to be immune to this however.
As to the use of the "dubious" template, I don't see where it is a misuse of it at all, although I wish that it was a little less intrusive in the text by referring to the talk page, which of course required an explanation there. In retrospect, perhaps just editing the <personal attack removed> to the "alleged" or "possible" would have been less intrusive. Would you have objected to that?-- Silverback 13:41, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
My dear Bishonen, next time you enforce the PRA guideline, would you mind linking diffs in the <remove personal attack> field? I think it would really prove a timesaver, so one can evaluate their relative intensity (or lack thereof) without digging into the revision history. Love, El_C 17:37, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi. A RfC has been started on Silverback. You were quoted a few times in Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Silverback. Apologies in advance if this leads to more unwanted hassle on your part. Thank you for the help so far. 172 | Talk 17:32, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks again, and thanks for the certification. I only now noticed that I asked some people about cosigning but not others. That was completely random on my part; for some reason I guess didn't remember to ask about cosigning each time. To answer your question, more than 2 cosigners is fine. Also, please feel free to keep a low profile on the page so as to avoid any further difficulties involving the situation. 172 | Talk 19:48, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
Well, if you've been following the literary game on my user talk page, you'll have spotted a nice roman a clef. (Well, I think it's witty, but what do I know?)
Also, Conquest of Granada got vandalized again in a minor way. What these people have against John Dryden is happily beyond me. I fear that if I understood why they do it, I'd be deranged, instead of merely crazy. Geogre 19:19, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
Wow, you lock the page without justification for your actions. Get a life, and a clue, and lose some weight while you're at it. 67.18.109.218 00:51, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
Cheers, Bishonen. I don't see any reason to rush to unblock the page. Obviously some tempers need time to cool. TenOfAllTrades( talk) 01:08, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
Hey, this time I actually tried moving it myself. Could you move Sinhala to Sinhalese language? I've checked EB and they use "Sinhalese" for Sinhalese people and "Sinhalese language" for Sinhala. The latter seems to be the native name.
Peter Isotalo 12:04, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
So, basically, I agree with the essential assertions of fact on an RfC, but I'm not certifying the request. Further, I have a firm belief that RfC's should not specify sanctions -- that's an ArbCom task -- but should only specify the next step ("refer to arbitration" or "refer to mediation" or "refer to Dr. Demento"). So, where do I sign, if there is no place to sign that says, "Agree with the assertion of fact but not with the various answers?" Geogre 12:04, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
Well, I agree with the facts. Dunno what to do about it. Yeah, I guess "Those endorsing the above summary" would be the spot I'm looking for. I'll look again. Meanwhile, I have to figure out something to write about. I guess Edmund Curll, as his article is rotten, and there could even be a way of being fair to him (maybe). That and researching up Ormulum, but I don't know where I can find the time and well-being for it. Geogre 14:40, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
Sorry no interest to me, I'm not from those parts. You need to find some Italian guy to take a parental interest. Seems like a bit of a rubbish page though considereing it is the "cradle of civilization". Doesn't Geogre have any latin blood? Giano | talk 17:13, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
MAIL!
Here it comes, man. I haven't gotten a helper yet, but I will, and so will you. That'll stop your relapse into editing (instead of watching people bicker). Speaking of which, I'm about done with Ormulum now. It's amazing what a few hours in the liberry can do. It's even more amusing that there is another editor of Ormulum -- perhaps the dullest book ever written (see talk:Ormulum). A few rearrangements of the lead, and I'll FAC it. I've done my time with long, well illustrated articles. I'm due a couple of short ones on boring subjects. (Peterborough isn't boring in what it talks about, but I made it seem a lot more coherent and comprehensible in my article than it is. Such is a duty of an encyclopedist, though.) I'm shocked to death to find that I found four or five sources for Ormulum. Really, it is dull. I mean dull. I mean autolobotomy dull. Geogre 01:54, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your seeing and responding to the junk. Yup when I do the random article trick, at least there are 8 out of 6 (!) US geography articles for every hamlet that ever had a name (ok I'm australian) and at least one 'sneak' self promoting art. I really appreciate your advice, I can now see some zap power for these guys who write a page about themselves just to see how long it stays there(?) and the bleeding obvious repeated vandal inserts. Ta vcxlor 05:02, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
Congratulations - how nice to see an interesting and well written article gracing the front page. Your many talents never fail to amaze me. Thank you Bishonen for all you do for Wikipedia both seen and unseen. You're a star. Giano | talk 06:22, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
SlimVirgin offered to delete it. I don't want it deleted. It is evidence of bad faith behavior by its initiator. The ArbCom has now accepted my RfAr against its non-existent author. Thank you for your support. Maybe it should be archived, but not deleted. If you have studied computer science, I will explain how deleting anything may raise issues of referential integrity. If not, then please try to understand that I might have a point. If disk space is cheap, nothing should ever be deleted, but some things should be hidden or masked. Robert McClenon 01:10, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
thanks for the edits, that does seem a better layout. What do you think, can you understand it, does it make sense - is it finished? can't log in for some reason Giano
emailed back. I'm about through with it, and want it finished and wrapped up. Thanks Giano | talk 16:02, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the copyedit, that looks a lot better, I'll just tweak a little when you've finished, let me know when you want to go in again. Have a nice day Giano | talk 07:34, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
The Baroque would have many baroque artworks (noun vs. adjective) would be my guess. I don't Capitalize with perfect Regularity, because I read 18th century Literature. Geogre 18:52, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Hello Campers! we Sicilians love all tourist, its a wonderful place, the sun shines all day, we haven't had an earthquake for yonks, and Etna is so well behaved she's just a pussy cat. We are all warm and friendly. You don't have to be rich we love the poor tourists too - just come, a warm welcome in the sun is assured" PS I've just sent a short email dearest Bishonen. Giano | talk 19:35, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
Why I don't sign off:
Anyway, that's why I'm not getting into the insult RfC's. Geogre 21:20, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Yes, "disruption" is vague, but I think it's far more empirical than "personal attack." They both require interpretation, but the latter is a question of affect, and the former is one of effect. We can pretty easily figure out if some monkey's antics have caused that monkey to stop doing anything useful and/or caused others to do less useful stuff. That's why I brought up Yodler and Sophie. They were both time sinks for everyone else, and neither of them wrote anything of serious worth. Most of the former's edits were removing things he didn't like, and all of the latter's edits were Mobius strip comments. On the other hand, Tuba saying that Giano had attacked him (when Giano had very much baited him but not attacked him) led to a lot of smoke and hostility, but nothing was decided. He has a lot of friends, and so the comments and "votes" on wp:an/i and elsewhere were all about emotions and not about statements, intent, etc. I think that any editor whose work leads to folks talking about the edits instead of the subject of them is, to some small degree, disrupting, and this includes those who protest as well as those who provoke. This is why I've always had some sympathy with the "act definitively" sentiment and with the idea of a greater hierarchy of power. It's only some sympathy, though, and not agreement. Geogre 14:05, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure what I was thinking with that first change you mentioned. I meant to write something else, but my fingers typed that instead. As for the split infinitives, I understand and will try to avoid needless infinitive unsplitting. — BRIAN 0918 • 2005-10-23 02:59
Any particular time? 3:00/9:00 is good, but I'm flexible, as I'm going to be grading today. That's my whole task, and watching Ormulum go. (Your comment was the best: Orm sent it to cleanup, and, of course, it didn't get off the list; at least Walter didn't just underline all the nouns.) Geogre 12:47, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, I meant 3:00 my time, 9:00 your time. Grading is the bane of the profession. I'm going to start any minute now. (Actually, at noon.) 2-3 hours is all I can manage at a time, so your call will punctuate it perfectly. Geogre 15:38, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
With regard to Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/FuelWagon 2, if you have a clear unambiguous answer to FW's question "does this "all out of good faith" post from SlimVirgin, followed by her sudden involvement in the Bensaccount RfC constitute turning wikipedia into a battlefield?" then providing that answer might be a good idea. On the other hand if you have no such clear unambiguous answer, maybe you should ignore this paragraph altogether. Just trying to help. WAS 4.250 11:00, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
Who is this person User talk:Justinc he's threatening to block me! wants to delete one of the images from JV. It seems to me that all sorts are becoming administrators now. Its sad really isn't it. Giano 20:35, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
The Swiss Knight -- here's an interesting little effort that might appeal to you a little, given what happens on your talk page. I'm sure it needs to be deleted, so have fun with your magic admin keys. Miss seeing your name on my talk page, but don't miss being blocked so often. Best wishes. WBardwin 06:50, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
Back in half an hour. sent a mail!
Hi again Bishonen. I suggest moveing Heraldry of Oelandia to Heraldry of Öland (coulnd't do this myself, it says). // Mucios thanks, Fred- Chess 00:33, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Heavens to Betsy, if it weren't so soon after your comment, I'd have gone to "Oppose" on a recent RfA. I wouldn't have based on FAC actions, but on the arrogance and narrowness of the responses on the RFA itself. Wow. First, many of these things aren't "grammatical" problems at all. Second, many aren't even bad. They may be complex, but complexity is not an error. However, differences of opinion are fine: it's the way one acts about those differences that signals trouble. I see overwriting and death defying over them, and that's a bad, bad thing. Geogre 17:57, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
À votre in-box rapidement ma peu de chou d'amour. Avec beaucoup de baisers votre admirateur secret
NOOOOON! Mail! Bishonen | talk 22:07, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
I will attempt to be balanced and measured and not too late. I have strong enough reasons to vote, but I don't need to peel the paint. Geogre 12:49, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Greetings. You've recently been involved with working on get articles up to featured status, so I wanted to let you know about a new page, Wikipedia:Bounty board. People have put up monetary bounties for certain articles reaching featured status - if the article makes it, the bounty lister donates the stated amount of money to the Wikimedia Foundation. So you can work on making articles featured, and donate other people's money at the same time. If this sounds interesting, I hope you stop by. – Quadell ( talk) ( bounties) 01:03, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Just a note to thank you for your marvelous help on my Mandan article. I have just left a note on Mark Digemanse's page to ask about the language. I'll add that before nominating it on FAC. You help has been wonderful! In addition, I found some images you may want to use for your Relapse article. A lengthy comment with a link to the pics is on my talk page. Take care! *Exeunt* Ganymead Dialogue? 18:46, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen, this article seems to be fueling a number of controversies. Those controversies quite aside, can I interest you in a continuing effort to improve the article? However badly it needs improvement, I'm certain that it could be improved. I'm cautiously working on this, but another brain would be a great help. Thanks. (Probably no need to reply; but if you do reply, please do so here. I hate watching pingpong dialogues.) -- Hoary 04:13, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
Have you seen the new revamped William Shakespeare article? Do you like it? Or do you find it, like me, far too short? Mandel 16:06, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
Happy to see reactions toward Iago's edits. As for you asking why I blotted off the Shakespeare talk page, I just changed my mind. I thought it better to keep mum. Mandel 03:49, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
If y'all haven't seen it, you really should see user talk:Iago Dali just now. He has announced that Wikipedia is "bullshit" and that it planted viruses on his computer and that the inability to log in (which I suffered the last 2 days, too) is part of a plot. He has said that he is leaving it forever. The whole message is rather hysterical, if not paranoid, but bizarre is kind of predictable, based on the editing pattern. Geogre 15:43, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Your choice, of course, but I'm not of the same opinion when it comes to talk pages. Were there an RFC on him, there would be a reason for overriding his edits of his own talk page. Otherwise.... Again, your choice and not something I feel strongly about. I think there is something highly, highly suspicious about the user, but history is enough for me to know that a number of folks have complained and that he has interesting taste in friends (and no, I'm not talking about Tony the Marine). Geogre 20:31, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen. On wikimedia commons there is a "Flag of Sweden.svg". However, someone had, one day before the uploading of that flag, been uploading Image:Flag of Sweden.svg locally. So it blocks the commons flag!
If you click the image description page, you see that the colors of the local flag is wrong compared to the link given there. Can the local flag be speedied, or what should we do...?
Regards , Fred- Chess 12:16, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
As a literary person, why don't you join in on this group novel project? I tried to spark some interest a while back, and wrote the beginning of a chapter on the murder mystery section. Each "chapter" was placed in user space but was available to the group (what there was of it). Pick a character and write a little? Edit my stuff -- it needs it! Critique the whole idea?? Let your creativity loose. WBardwin 03:40, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm just getting my feet wet on Wikipedia, so I'm not always familiar with the ways of doing things here. I appreciate that you moved my post for Iago Dali. Homanid.
Oh, Bishonen - (I can get vocative here too) - no, I can't point to any particular point where you have lacked civility, but then I don't think I ever said that you did. What I said was it seems to me that more civility, deep breaths and walking away from the confrontation on both sides would have helped in the past and would help going forward (emphasis added). More civility always helps, as does taking deep breaths (short of hyperventilation), and walking away from the confrontation, particularly in an impersonal written medium like this, where it is all to easy to take offence at bald words on the page, absent the non-verbal clues that would normally blunt or clarify their import. As I have said to Giano, far too much of everyone's time at this place is taken up with destructive in-fighting, and I have no intention of getting involved in that. But I don't feel I can stand idly by while a contributor walks away from the project over something as meaningless as whether a FAC has been copyedited enough, or whether people have said nasty things (justified or not) in his RFA. Which it not to say that I wholeheartedly support Tony in all that he has said or done. I am not picking sides here. I just wish we could all get along and just write this darned encyclopedia. -- ALoan (Talk) 16:25, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
Oh, ALoan, don't worry, I don't want to discuss it further either, and if you're content with your message to Giano, it's not my business. I'm sorry you felt obliged to waste all that time. I meant to enlighten rather than reproach, but I went about it the wrong way. Here are some links plotting the views of some other users during the RFA week. Please don't feel obliged to click on them, they're only for if you're interested and have the time to spare.
I've stolen this off someones page. If any of your friends know how to opperate it, I thought we could have one each to direct the flow of friendly comment so to speak! I rather like the idea myself, but it all looks a bit complex. I'm sure you know some-one. Filiocht wouldn't have a clue (he's a poet) Geogre does not seem very technical (I've seen the way he holds that gun - wish I had a gun on my page!) Who would know how to work the bloody thing?
Giano |
talk 22:15, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, me too.
Thanks for reverting the vandal the other day. No telling what they wanted, but it looked random.
I couldn't handle hanging around the IRC any longer. The age of the room seems to be regressing lately, and I'm not sure there are non-trawling speakers most of the time. The schedule I'm on leaves me fairly frustrated for living. I never seem to be awake for any entertainment or at a computer that will give me access to conversation. That's coupled with the fact that I haven't had any article ideas in a while. There are dunces to write about, but I want to start thinking (if I stay employed here next year) about actual scholarship and conference papers (we are encouraged to present one paper a year...this would be remarkable progress for the faculty). It's possible that I could do something with Jonathan Wild, the novel, but I'm not sure it would be anything new. Oh, for a research library and a rare book room! (RG would be for publishing, not presenting on.)
I think that I'll be home tomorrow before awfully late, but I definitely will on Friday. Once Friday comes, though, we're already at the weekend, and that will evaporate in about 4 hours of apparent time. Geogre 22:24, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
I think that I'll be home today, Freyday, by 3:30 PM, eastern. Also, I may not have to travel to fruitcakeville tomorrow. Geogre 12:40, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
I've had a hard time finding any time for being active on #wikipedia, plus the fact that my computer isn't in the best shape, but I'll return to the channel as things in school calm down and my new computer is delivered. :) I saw the other edit as well, I just did believe that you thought the football part was sneaky vandalism as well, which I thought at a first glance on the article a while ago (at a time when the article actually said that he gave football (soccer) a royal approval, a sport which wasn't invented until the 19th century...). I have no idea where that info might be better suited. -- Elisson • Talk 21:17, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
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Ducks are better than drakes. Geogre 13:42, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
No, no subject. It's just that I was tired of the goat pictures, and, since you had archived, I thought that my duck was better than their goats. There was a wonderful cartoon, once, by Gahan Wilson, I think, with an empty pedestal, trunkless hands, and a grim visage in the sand, and "Nobody Beats Ozymandius TV Appliance King" on the pedestal. I stole the caption. Otherwise, there is Eliot's:
which is along the same lines. Time to go watch Bergman's Winter Light and feel the joy. Geogre 20:43, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
ddg... I was bored :)
ALKIVAR
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06:54, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
Déjà vu? Could you move Kiruna Municipality to Kiruna? Thanks. Fred- Chess 13:35, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
This was not an RfC/user nor an RfA/evidence, but a general RfC so I am not quite sure of the ettiquette. I should have added a "comments" section after the voting section?-- Silverback 14:33, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm frustrated with a user in an AfD debate who is repeatedly substantially revising, moving or completely removing comments to which I have already replied. I find it disgusting. Can't somebody be blocked for that kind of dishonest and deceptive behaviour? Please take a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hans Boepple. (BTW, Boepple should probably be deleted, but he seems like a borderline case, with notability according to WP:MUSIC perhaps depending on the existence of more recordings than those so far unearthed.) Uppland 23:54, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen, if it's not too much trouble, I'd like you not to alter my comments. If I don't have anything new to say, and I am repeating myself, I should be revising my comments, not adding repeated comments and wasting everyone's time. If you read the revision carefully, I'm not making new arguments but merely refining arguments that have been already made. If Uppland feels strongly about the PhD not making a difference, let him make his argument. I believe I have made mine. If you feel something needs to be added in order to make Uppland's comment understandable, do so. But if I am forced to repeat my "latest" version everytime I want to change something, there won't be enough room for the next person to disagree with me. Thanks for your consideration. We99 01:29, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen, there is an upper limit to the discussion for deletion. If you don't believe me, try adding a bunch of text and you'll know there is an upper limit. We99 02:03, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
--Second opinion, here: Bishonen is, in fact, being very polite. It is policy that one is not allowed to change the text of one's vote. If you no longer agree with what you had said, or if you believe that what you have written is inappropriate, you may strike out your previous comment, but you leave it in place, exactly as it was and then write whatever new you have to say underneath the original. To perform the strike-through, place <s> at the beginning of the text to be stricken and </s> at the end of the stricken text. That way, it remains in place so that other readers/editors/voters can see what comment had drawn original comment. Again, do not change the text of your vote. If your vote contains a personal attack, and you wish to remove the insult, you are better off using the strike-through; however, if you had been particularly insulting and wish to remove the text of the insult, you may, but only if you put in its place text indicating that you have removed an insult that you made. (Do not remove insults written by others. Leave that for an administrator to do.) This is not optional behavior. Geogre 15:37, 6 November 2005 (UTC) (Posted on the user's talk page as well.)
Hiya back! Your welcome warms me. — Theo (Talk) 21:52, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
You wanted to experience a blocking?!? Wow; hopefully you won't get autoblocked. You know, I just would have moved a couple of pages Willy-style ;). Cheers, Bratsche talk | Esperanza 04:37, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
Thank you very much for supporting my rather contentious request for adminship, but now that I've been promoted, I'd like to do a little dance here *DANCES*. If you have any specific issues/problems with me, please feel free to state them on
my talk page so that I can work to prevent them in the future, and thanks once again!
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07:57, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
In your edit summary for you current post to Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Silverback/Evidence, there is some kind of little arrow thing containing a link to the section you just edited. I am curious about how you did that. Mind sharing? Does is the length of the link, still subject to the character limit of the edit summary window? -- thanx, -- Silverback 13:41, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
I just wanted to thank you for your support of my RfA which finally passed! I greatly appreciate it! Ramallite (talk) 04:09, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
If you have a minute, would you mind taking a second look at the daughter articles and adjusting or removing your vote accordingly? I believe the ones that are currently linked to are all now presentable. The footnote system is now fixed and fully functioning, and all single paragraph sections have either been built up, merged with other topics. or eliminated. Regards, Saravask 09:54, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
I didn't move Carnildo's post, I had an edit conflict with him when responding to your post, and so I moved my post and maintained the cronology via indents as is my practice. The attraction is to make sure admins know that this is a second violation. I looked at the intro and didn't see any instructions on where to add it, and since some pages instruct to add at the top, that is what I did. I admit I was confused about that.-- Silverback 01:30, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
Look at the number of edits to Peterborough Chronicle today, just today. It has had quite a few very dedicated vandals, plus. Oh, and if you thought that linking God and Bible was too much, check out the "helpful" edits. Stuff like world is linked now. Geogre 10:45, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
These feebs are hitting it at a furious pace. I have to teach from 8-12, and I only hope that wakeful Europeans are noticing it, because I'll be unable to do much during that time. I have a feeling that what I'd really like to do is revert all the way back to Haeleth's replacement of dashes with emdash, but no point in even thinking about that until the thing's off the main page. People have 1) tried to turn all spellings to British (incompletely, of course), 2) link everything, 3) change hard words into simple ones ("dearth" to "death"). The only other helpful one so far was probably linking philology, since I have to agree that that's an uncommon term. I knew the main page would get tiny fingers clawing at it, but I never anticipated this many. Geogre 11:19, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
I see what you mean about the questions re: The Relapse. Those are very good questions Saravask raises -- extremely perceptive. I suppose we can lean too much on our other, survey articles and think, "Well, gosh, we've said that the libertines were on the run by the 1690s so much and that William of Orange is the reason so many times that we ought not say it here." We're wrong, of course. What was news in Restoration drama and Restoration literature (or Augustan drama) is news still in Chrononhotonthologos (a play I propose to write about soon but which I need to learn to spell consistently). Geogre 03:14, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
'Sokay, I figured as much. I just wanted to make sure that I didn't sound like I was attached to the idea of only a 24 hour block. Happy Friday, wherever you are! Dmcdevit· t 08:14, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
Hey Bishonen. I know you've seen the complaints by a group of editors on my talk page, and just want to say that I will not allow my good work over at the Schools Portal to be disrupted by these guys. I agree I got angry, but also wish to point out that I've vowed not to edit the St Michael's Grammar School pages any more, as told here. So basically, I've moved on, but if any more unfounded complaints or vandalism to any pages relating to my long work here on Wikipedia (eg. my page, Caulfield Grammar School, the Schools Portal) I will come back to you or another admin looking to see people blocked for what really is a group trying to stand over me as I do what I see as good work here. Thanks for listening. Harro5 19:53, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi could you look at Wikipedia:Peer review/Objectivist poets/archive1 for me? I'm stuck. Filiocht | [[User talk:Filiocht|The kettle's on]] 08:36, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm hoping to take a look at it today or tomorrow. A little ennui over on my side as left me fit for nothing but squishing speedy deletes and thundering on VfD. (I do think Station Island is one of the finest single collections of poems I've read in ages, although none of Heaney's other volumes have been as moving for me. The article we have on him stresses his nature poetry, but Station Island is a very different book from all those -- much more Modernist.) (As for Plath, it hardly matters what one writes: desperate fans will rewrite it.) Geogre 11:11, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the message, we'll see in a second if the sig thing is fixed or not.Tricks aren't very good, I thought I might feel better about the place after a time away, but its still pretty much the same nicht wahr. The response to Rhe Relapse was disappointing, but frankly what were you realistically expecting, knowing the place as you do? FAC seems to have become a strangle place these days of increasingly new requirements, demands, and needs which I have decided I no longer wish to attempt to meet; in fact I shall not try to meet them. Rather than judging each subject on its own individual requirements everything is now required to conform to blanket diktats, often legislated by people who seem to have little better to do than enforce them, when their time would be far better spent writing a page themselves, rather than passing comment on anything from the legal validity of copyright to English grammar, both subjects on which they are generally and factually completely ignorant.
At least The Relapse was justly featured, and apart from the one mild objection (was that another new diktat?) those that read it seemed to like it, it just lacked the necessary tabloidness in the title to pull them in my new title should do that (although that's not why I chose it), but God the google hits do seem to be more gynaecological than architectural! Shame it's not going to FA, it would have been fun to see people demanding "Family" after the Surname section, it's technically correct as it is for an Italian family as it is. Wish I could make people read The Relapse, perhaps it will become heavily vandalised then you will know people are at least looking at it. As ever Giano | talk 13:43, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
User:Marsden is back, using his IP address, 69.138.215.194 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), and apparently spending most of his time reverting those he doesn't like, or who he has been asked to revert. Now he's being even more disruptive; in order to avoid going over the 3RR, he's added a link to a bogus hate site at Self-hating Jew instead, and posting trolling text to a bunch of talk pages (including yours) about "nigger lovers". I'm considering a 1 week block for disruption at this point, unless you think you or someone else should do it first. Jayjg (talk) 17:04, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
My response is in the Rfa after your vote. I'm sorry you felt that I had done the wrong thing as I was only trying to keep two editors from going to war and that is all.-- MONGO 20:08, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
Salve, Bishonen!
Thank you for your comments. First, I would note I was unable to return to Wikipedia for several days; thus there was no reply to the objectors on Bob McEwen. That said, I do not understand the objection to links. What is the issue there? I can think of other articles with many links which successfully passed the FAC process.
The peer review process doesn't work either, thus I do not use it anymore. For example, I give you two articles that were praised or received no objections, but lost at FAC:
I believe the article review process is broken because there is no consistency and not enough participation, thus my suggestions. PedanticallySpeaking 19:24, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for helping out in the basement, I'm sure its appreciated! I've just sent you an emial about something I feel strongly! Giano | talk 10:23, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
I am very proud of a new barnstar I just got on my talk page. It's tres cool. Geogre 11:06, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
not in disgust, dear Bishonen, and I wish I would get a couple of days to address the concerns voiced. Wiglaf has said he is going to help too. If the nominiation is flushed off the list, I may take the liberty of re-submitting it as soon as I think I addressed all points. I must say, however, that our FA criteria seem to be in rather lofty heights these days; the article is at least as good as those featured on the other languages WP. I do appreciate, however, that en: has a somewhat more heavy burden of responsibility compared to minor projects, so I suppose the objections are fair enough. dab (ᛏ) 17:54, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
From User talk:Saravask:
And thank you again for your great comments on The Relapse, I 'm not sure I made it clear how much they encouraged me. While nobody'd found any fault with the article, out of the few who voted on it [...], nobody'd exactly sounded interested either. "OK, no problems that I can see, support."
OwenX pointed out that yesterday marked exactly two years since my first edit as Geogre. I pointed out that there had been 3-6 months prior to that where I had been convinced that getting an account would mean spam e-mail. I think 2 in Wikipedia years is like 40 in human years. (The title of this section is a reference to a book written for new parents.) Geogre 14:08, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Damn, one-upped again! Your expertise on A.A. Milne is much greater than mine. :-) (Yeah, I was making a reference to Milne without even knowing it. Shows how trustworthy my allusions are.) (I'm old enough to have my allusions about the world shattered.) Geogre 18:41, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Ah, the second kiddiehood! The funny thing is that I'm in the computer generation, so a lot of the kiddie slang is actually from pop culture that we had in the 1980s, when the PC moved out of the garage. Now, the "old timers" are about 40, and the kiddies revel in learning their dorm joke phrases. (I can't remember the movie that "esplode" came from, but it was a dumb comedy of the 80's.) Mine is the generation of the bastards of young: "No willingness to claim us/ We've got no war to name us.//We are the sons of no one/ Bastards of young," as the man sang. Geogre 20:58, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Exactly so. Two may be 40, 50, or 60 -- it is whatever age it is for a person to have all her or his vitality sapped and hopes broken. Seeing youngsters saying that "AfD may collapse, but that collapse is a long way in the future" is almost touching. "I used to say that," I feel like telling them. Geogre 18:41, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
I've put the diff concerned on email in full. It's all too late now, the photographer has resigned her unsought after post and I am bereft. I shall just have to learn to draw. :-( Giano | talk 07:28, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen,
You've probably noticed already, but I've added a section to the RFC as you suggested.
Could I trouble you for feedback? Do you think it's adequate for the purpose?
Thanks, Ben Aveling 22:14, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
I've been promoted to admin! I deeply appreciate your reconsideration and your decision to withdraw your opposition. I'll start out slow for sure and I will do everything I can to ensure that you know that you made the right decision. Never hesitate to ask me if you need anything as I'll do all I can! Thank you!-- MONGO 09:57, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
This is kind of a random question, but my sigature has been acting up and I'd thought I'd ask an admin what the problem might be. The problem should be obvious from it's display. Thanks! Cheers! ''*Exeunt*'' Ganymead [[User_talk:Ganymead|<sup><font color="green">Dialogue?</font></sup>]] 16:35, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
Bish-fishing for a second opinion (anyone else passing by is welcome to comment): Academia is a featured article, but I don't think it should be, and consider nominating it on WP:FARC. Except for the sections on the ancient world and the medieval period, it is very U.S.-centric, partly by showing a lack of awareness of other perspectives (see section " Recent_economic_changes"), partly by using U.S. examples, where, say, Italian, French or German examples would be more appropriate (as in the section " Rise_of_academic_societies"). Where it is not entirely U.S.-centric, international perspectives are mostly limited to England. The section " Eighteenth_and_nineteenth_centuries" is all about the U.S., despite America still being a backwater at the time. With all due respect for the University of Pennsylvania and Ben Franklin, in an 18th century history of academia, one would expect the University of Göttingen, the University of Leiden and a host of other European universities (and other institutions) to be more approriate to mention. And whatever happened to the renaissance, humanism, in fact the entire period from the end of the middle ages until the mid-18th century? Is the foundation of the Royal Society really the only thing worth mentioning from that period?
The article is not badly written, but a clear systemic bias, significant omissions, and a lack of proper referencing, makes this inappropriate for featured status. Have I left anything out? -- Uppland 09:30, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
I suppose there are universities outside of the US. At least they do seem to go someplace between the ages of 19 and 24, but, honestly, do they have academia? Surely not! Geogre 20:16, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm thankful for your friendship and endurance. Geogre 20:18, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Maybe I should give up, too. God but copyright paranoia is rife. Filiocht | The kettle's on 08:33, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
Damn, I've had a ridiculous night here. Glad to see you and Geogre on the recent changes page. I damn near walked away for good. Again. All over a single sentence. I think I'll be spending a lot less time doing new pages patrol. Hey, I broke my AfD addiction. I can break this one too. Take care. Your pal, Lucky 6.9 04:25, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
(See, I can too program!) Geogre 14:03, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
(But I can program INTERCAL!) Bishonen | talk 14:13, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
(I suppose that's better than programming in the
Interzone, which is where junk code comes from.) Leave AfD? But I'm having so much fun there. :-( I really, really, really should finish Todd's biography and do some good.
Geogre 19:38, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
Speaking of universities, did English universities ever have student prisons? Surely they must have had something like that? I am looking for some nice archaic English term, in order to be able to remove the Karzer article from its current German-specific title. Uppland 17:13, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
But you managed to make him vomit it back up again! Sure, this is gross, and will require a very long and powerful hose, but I'm glad I have that faith back. In return, please take my barnstar eating pet bear to protect you from any nasty users you may meet along the way. karmafist 19:52, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
I hope you're soon to have the real thing, but, until then, here is some virtual chocolate. Geogre 10:48, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
You recently blocked me, citing "Ongoing harrassment (sic) of multiple users". That block was utterly and wholly unjustified; the allegation unfounded. If you feel otherwise, please cite diffs showing me "harassing" other users. Andy Mabbett 21:26, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
I asked for evidence of your (Bishonen's) allegation of "Ongoing harrassment (sic) of multiple users". You cite (on my talk page) one diff, which is in no way harassment (if you imagine that it was, why didn't you block Karmafist for harassing me?). You have no such evidence. Andy Mabbett 18:51, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Looks like we're getting some collateral damage from the block. I posted here, but since it's in the middle of the page and the board is high traffic, I thought I'd let you know. Looking for some input from somebody more experienced with dealing with blocks. -- GraemeL (talk) 20:03, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Awww, you guys. There's nothing quite like your concern for my ... welfare, I mean that quite literally. Chocolate pills and champagne! And is that pâté de fois gras? Can I have some Turkish delight and a liqueur for afters? Bishonen | talk 19:15, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Hello again. Recently I've been having difficulties in getting a sufficient amount of feedback from the top caliber editors of the history and politics articles-- needed in order to establish a consensus in the vote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of modern day dictators. It'll be much appreciated if you can take a look. Regards. 172 22:27, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
(A bris for all supermen!) Personal attack responded to with a totally appropriate flame. Geogre 02:36, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
I shall be awarding a special "Siciliano order of merit" to the editor who contributes the most words over the next two days to Preston Plucknett. This important page is essential to the survival of our encyclopedia, and indeed mankind - a species which probably originated from Preston Plucknett. The Irish editor has already refused, the American editor has pleaded ignorance, hence it is left to us in Europe to say: "Advance Mankind and Preston Plucknett!" Giano | talk 21:43, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
Because I edited Linked. When I changed it from an auto-redirect to a dis-ambig, I (being a good citizen) checked the backlinks to make sure that people who linked to the redirect wouldn't be suprised to find a disambig as opposed to a redirect. I came across a few "junk" links that weren't links to a subject, but were just links for the sake of links. To clean out the nonsense in the backlinks, I removed them. I didn't miss the point of "overlinking" -- but I think it'd be best if people made their points without doing the exact thing they want people not to do. From a constant user of "what links here," these junk links can add up to a fair amount of extra editing work. -- Quasipalm 20:31, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Ummm, you do mean to advertise a videogame, complete with a link to WalMart, on your user page? Is this, uh, something you want to do? Geogre 16:45, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
So, are you getting a kickback off sales to Wal*Mart, or is this because "It is a very good game and everybody ought to play it?" (to paraphrase my students). What amazes me about the caviar is that it's a laxitive. I never knew it had that property. Geogre 19:16, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Please take a look at Talk:Jonathan Wild. It's one thing for me to insult my article. It's another for someone else to do so. Geogre 21:40, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Maybe I was too mean. Did you see Filiocht's sonnet? I wrote it, it seems. Geogre 19:01, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Hey, the fellow did it. The Norwegian Jonathan Wild is a FA in Norsk. Geogre 12:30, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Ok, so what were the no voters saying? (They sure aren't verbose about it, esp. compared to the .en version.) Geogre 15:56, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Huh. Maybe we should have "commendable" articles as well as "featured" articles. I wonder if we could mollify a few of our menaces that way? Geogre 19:19, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Thank you again for being there through all of this with potw. Please let me know if there's anything I can do you in the future.
karmafist 05:20, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Bish:
Just wanted to drop you a note to say thanks for supporting me in my recent RFA. I see that you don't vote in many RFAs (or, if you do, you don't vote in many where the nominee returns later to offer his/her thanks for your participation), so I'm doubly flattered that you elected to vote in mine. I shall endeavor to live up to your expectations.
All the best.
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Hello, Bishonen. I'm just dropping you a note to thank you for your support for my RfA. What you said ("dives into the pool of conflict and emerges dry") was definitely the most poetic comment I got! I should have thanked you earlier, but I got a bit caught up with college work. Anyway, although we haven't had any direct contact, I have seen you around, and I've liked what I've seen(!), so I'm looking forward to working with you in the future. Cheers. AnnH (talk) 00:50, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your work reverting the vandals on Mandan while it was on the mainpage yesterday! *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 19:50, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Seems easy to me. Wrom:
We just turn it into:
I don't know if that's not long enough, but it seems like an easy blurb. If it's not long enough, one can add in a sentence for each of the major divisions that will follow (in prose... in poetry... in theater...), but the lead attempts to have that already. Geogre 18:52, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
The lead at this point is set up that way because of all the hemming and hawing over when it ends. Everyone knows when it begins, but I thought it was fair warning to set up in the lead that it wasn't going to end neatly. If it ends in '89, for example, then everyone writing under Bill & Mary is lost to literary history, as they're not 18th century until 1700 (1701, if we want to be precise). The cuts off a lot of the most interesting poetry and almost all of the interesting prose. Heck, it leaves your year of drama (1695) out in the cold. Geogre 20:44, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Take a look at User:Camillus_McElhinney#Correspondence, and prepare to be aghast, or something. FreplySpang (talk) 00:17, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Sorry not to have been in touch lately, but I've been so busy with my foreign commitments and fans! I've just sent you an email which you may enjoy dealing with! There is something very strange going on with the server today. I left this message first inexplicably on Bunch of Grapes talk page, which is not even on my watch list, having first hit your name on my list, now I see you even have the same image as him just above - very odd "these things cannot be explained" Au'revoir Giano | talk 12:47, 12 December 2005 (UTC) PS: Can you not archive here on the mountainside it take ages to reach the bottom of this page! Giano | talk
That was hilarious: "No one is more NPOV than I am! No one thinks I'm POV. .... Say, Tony, can you block Dunharris and two other people? They say I'm POV. They're so POV!" And, if that weren't enough, three references to Jimbo sez! Wow. Thaet was gode ful smoak. Geogre 00:58, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
If you click on This link, you will be taken to the /workshop page. However, you won't see all the arguments in glory. To do that, you'd have to go back to look at a version before Tony began withdrawing stuff, which means back to probably December 8th. Rather than trying to follow the complicated evolution of the withdrawing, refactoring, and restating, you'd be better off just reading the last clean copy before the massive refactoring. There isn't even much point in reading what it says now. Geogre 02:42, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
The best idea is not to start. I am virtually alone among the "Other Parties" in believing that there is so little ambiguity, so little evidence, so little cause, that this thing is going to be a very easy close for the AC and that the fewer words now, the better -- just let them go ahead and say, "There's nothing here" or, better IMO, "Oops." As I said, I'm alone in thinking that, and some people are very ticked at comments made in the course of the prosecution. Geogre 13:11, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Ok, this is the last version where most of the debate was present. After that, the really radical cutting started, and particularly Tony's insults began disappearing. Geogre 13:45, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I cannot even lead the blind, so I wouldn't presume to lead a parade. I can't even lead the cops on a merry chase, nor a horse to water or horticulture. Geogre 16:48, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Dang it! Now I've got to get a creme to stop all this blushing (or blushing). Geogre 22:57, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I meant that you kicked Tony's logic's rear fully out of the game, so doing more would be kicking a thing when down. Geogre 13:11, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Look your chocolate shop has been edited out! but at least the distinguished, important and may I say beautiful and intelligent patrons still remain! Giano | talk 14:49, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I can't believe it, I really cant' I spent half an hour this afternoon lovingly translating ( I don't do translations) this "Paggina principali" [47] from the Sicilian Wikipedia (not many people know about this one!) I went to proudly present my wonderful new page (for the delight of you all) and found this Sicilian cart, which has apparently been here since 1st October 2005. However, I do feel strongly we should all be supporting the Sicilian Wikipedia. sadly lack of time, and the minor fact I do not speak it well, means that Geogre, Filiocht,ALoan and Paul August will be studying it over Christmas in order that our best literary contributions can be there in the new year. Well done to Geogre Filiocht and Aloan not many people would sacrifice their Christmas in such a way. I wish, I too could study this interesting subject, but unfortunately I'm entertaining Jimbo, Raul and that nice little Mrs. Bishonen at my "Palazzo Splendido, Caymen Islands" over the joyous festival. Bless you all Giano | talk 21:15, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen. You working tonight? Merovingian has blocked me from editing -- we seem to be starting into a new wave of blocks based on that rotating proxy. New administrators seem to go through a phase of trying to punish all AOL users. I left him the note below. Please release me if you can. Thanks. WBardwin 06:10, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Please note that you have blocked an AOL proxy address -- which randomly rotates among users. AOL users cannot control which number they are assigned, and blocking the number for any length of time is ineffective in fighting vandalism. Please see my user page User:WBardwin/AOL Block Collection for a history of adminstrative discussion and action regarding these blocks. They seem to hit me often. Please release your block. Information below. Thank you. WBardwin 06:01, 15 December 2005 (UTC) Your IP address is 207.200.116.202. Please include this address, along with your username, in any queries you make. Your user name or IP address has been blocked by Merovingian. The reason given is: Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "Kkkboi". The reason given for Kkkboi's block is: "vandal/troll".
And at least two "respected administrators" use AOL in one way or another. One uses AOL per se. The other uses Netscape ISP. Netscape ISP is a wholly owned, etc. of AOL. (Hey! What can I say? I'm poor! Netscape only costs $10/month for unlimited hours.) Geogre 11:19, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Ah, there, completeness. R e dwolf24 ( talk) Attention Washingtonians! 07:35, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
So, there's my drake, all shrunken -- his masculinity threatened by yet another fearful viewer. Have you seen TFD and the debate over the "Maintained" template? Pretty active debate, if you're interested. (What is it with these templates? I want to read articles, not banners!) Geogre 12:58, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
(signed) -- Bishonen | talk 13:04, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Sir Francis seems to be well endowed with all the right equipment, to defend that poor "little ducky". Paul August ☎ 14:58, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for supporting my recent bid for adminship, which passed 64-2. — FREAK OF NURxTURE ( TALK) 07:25, Dec. 17, 2005
Thank you for understanding the situation. — Moe ε 16:25, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
My dear Bishonen: No, I did notice he was blocked; you see, he made the original request for us to mediate down at Conspiracy theory and it doesn't much matter when he replies, it is hardly an urgent matter since I expect the dispute will take a good long time to settle down. All the best, -- NicholasTurnbull | (talk) 16:32, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Hello Bishonen. I know that niceness is not my strong side, so I resort to you. Someone just re-added a picture he himself took to article Kalmar (at the bottom). Could you kindly tell him that one image of that kind is enough? / Fred- Chess 22:17, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Would you consider contributing? Or how about voting for it as collaboration of the week for this new but important article.-- Culturesoftheworld 19:41, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to thank you, first and foremost; if you're receiving this message, it's because I think you were one of the people I adopted as a personal mentor, and who helped to make the whole Wikipedia experience more enjoyable.
The fact is, I've got no choice but to leave. The recent sordid affair with User:Deeceevoice and my appalling conduct in that showed me that I have not the calibre required to maintain good relations with users on the wiki. Worse still, I violated almost all of the principles I swore to uphold when I first arrived.
I've now been desysopped, and I plan on devoting a little more time to what I am good at, which is developing. I don't fit in on this side of the servers, but perhaps I can still be of use to the project.
Thank you. Rob Church Talk 20:03, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
I want you to see the comment under the "comments" section I left at My RFA. It partially involves you. — Moe ε 22:35, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
<sigh> Ok, I've now spent an hour or so in the lieberry attempting to find some facts. Miraculously, these Baptists actually had a book specifically about 60 Minutes, although one that "exposes" it for liberalism. I found the facts in it and ignored the rest. Also, it turns out that Ambi should know something of it, as there is an Australian spin-off on Channel 9, or at least there was in 1984, when the book I used was written. Am I afraid of old information? Yeah. Will I be careful? Yeah. Do I have some lipstick to put on that pig? I suppose. Geogre 16:17, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Still needs one big edit. I said I'd do it last night, but then that went the way of all plans. I simply cannot get adequate sleep. Geogre 12:04, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
We could use some help in moving reconstructed pronunciation of ancient Greek back to its original title Ancient Greek phonology. It was moved by Thrax on his own accord after minor revert war and some pointless edits of the redirect link trumped any plans of simple salvage.
Peter Isotalo 04:24, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen, thanks for your comments on the outrageous move of Ancient Greek phonology by User:Thrax. Well, now, clearly acting both against consensus (which he has been doing consistently for a long time) and your clear characterization of the previous move as a "stunt", he's done it again. Besides restoring the article to its original title, I suppose we need to open some sort of action against him. What a pain. Any advice you have would be appreciated. -- Macrakis 18:53, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Thrax now added a subtitle The reconstructed pronunciation of Ancient greek. Andreas 20:04, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Thrax has actually moved the article three times, the third after Andreas had moved it back (Andreas moved it back again). Take a look at: First change Second change. This is no way to write an encyclopedia.... -- Macrakis 20:16, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Thrax started a POV fork named The historical pronunciation of ancient Greek Andreas 20:36, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Ancient Greek phonology has been on the RFC list as Ancient Greek pronunciation since Nov. 8 [48] and was removed on Dec. 20. Andreas 00:24, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
In case you didn't see, I made an attempt to locate all of his actual good edits. I listed them on AN/I. Cheers. -- LV (Dark Mark) 21:36, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen, after commenting on the frivolous claim on the Administrator's noticeboard by User:Huaiwei, you may be interested in reviewing Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Huaiwei. I thank you for your time. enochlau ( talk) 14:32, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
I appear to be having a significant relapse. I'm of two minds about the adspam. On the one hand, I think it's fine. On the other hand, there are so many unsigning visitors to my talk page these days, particularly in regard to the evil that policy does, that I'm not sure. Since it's my talk page, I guess that means go ahead. Sure is big and bright, though. ("Henry, with his plights and gripes as bad as Achilles" -- John Berryman, Dreamsong #14.) Geogre 02:47, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
Season's greetings, Bish, and all the best for the new year. ;-) SlimVirgin (talk) 00:06, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
May I add my voice to the throng … and may I also thank you for cleaning up my talk page. — Theo (Talk) 07:11, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
No problem, I see you figured it out. ;-) That's why you can revert!(And so you can stop vandals)
Prodego talk 15:05, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
Bishonen, maybe you'd like to enlighten the people at
Hillbilly and especially
User:Abelson about what
Fair use means, and that an image from
the Simpsons is not fair use on an article about Hilbillies. /
Fred-
Chess 17:16, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
Daegling himself is not a reputable source.
I find this amusing that a competent researcehr who is "into" this topic from direct field work, cannot quote his own research whereas old farts who never left the house are considered a source.
As for published work, most editors in the outside world of journals will not touch this topic.
Disgusted with Wiki. Losers editing winners.
beckjord Beckjord 19:56, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
You then say it is ok to quote a website re something I did?
BTW, how do you ___ever__ expect newbies to understand all this stuff? No wonder you have angry trolls and vandals. They are Mad at Wiki. All these rules and stuff, hard to understand, and hard to learn even where to look.
Also, Wiki (we) really __does__ touch this topic. See Bigfoot.
beckjord
Beckjord 19:07, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Thrax is at it again at Talk:Ancient Greek phonology. Take a look. From his behavior, it seems as though his primary goal is to attract attention, even if that means being blocked. -- Macrakis 21:18, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
Another sockpuppet? User:AskMelegi Andreas 19:08, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Another sockpuppet? User:JacobGrimm Andreas 14:29, 30 December 2005 (UTC) Another sockpuppet? User:HansChristianAnderson Andreas 17:08, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Bishonen,
You should know the only reason this page is on my watchlist is because it's usually fairly amusing. But lately, sheesh, I dunno — if it's not one content dispute it's another. And then — shudder — the cryptozoologists show up. (Who next, the embezzlers, claiming that only those who have committed the crime have the proper expertise to edit the embezzlement page?) Well that's the final straw. I can hold my tongue no longer. Here: everybody loves pugs. Let the amusement commence. — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 22:52, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
That dog looks like he just ate a duck! Noooo! Now this dog, on the other hand, wouldn't harm a feather, wouldn't muss a fly. Give her rawhide, and she'll contentedly stare at you all day long. Geogre 01:36, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Ok, so I have to feed her a fresh newbie every two weeks, but that's a small sacrifice, and it's a valuable service, for it cleans up delightfully. A rawhide bone to keep the incisors sharp, newbie bones for nutrition. (This is why I never bite a newbie. As August Strindberg said, "Dog owners are cowardly people who haven't got the courage to bite people themselves." (And I wonder now how bad the August Strindberg article is. I hope it's better than, say, Allen Tate.).) Geogre 12:44, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
That's Wiki-itis, alright. Every person just adds a bit she's heard in class, maybe, or what seems to be true based on stuff in the article (e.g. the Anarchist claim; in The Red Room, there are Anarchists-to-be, so someone thinks, "Well, not really a Socialist, so that means an Anarchist" and adds that). There is no "let's read a biography" spirit, because that would need a single, hard core editor, and the article instead has a hundred dilletente editors. These dilletente editors can do wonders, but when there never has been a major writer, the result is Wiki-itis. Geogre 12:53, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
When I say nobody ever gives answers, etc, it means few people tell you how things work, instead of just sending some link to read.
FYI, I am getting several messages that other people find DreamGuy to be a **** as I do.I see no reason to be civil to someone who will not discuss issues, and who acts with great arrogance.
BTW, I like your images. I assume you are Japanese?
beckjord Beckjord 18:56, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't really want to get involved in this entire mess, (I'm a neutral observer who wants to keep his anonymity). See [51] for Beckjord's threat. -- 68.161.181.139 01:10, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
I do humbly apologise for all of this mess. User:Beckjord has been insulted ever since he came to Wikipedia, thus explains why he is acting this way. In spite of what is listed on the Bigfoot sites, in which people 'will' shoot at this thing, even has actually shot at this thing, User:Dreamguy and company says that this is "silly", is in violation of WP:NOR, and removed this material. thus I may suspect that User:Beckjord may have a point about some Wikis. Stand by for more........
And, again, I do regret the actions I have taken, and do humbly apologise for the inconviences. Martial Law 01:37, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
User Beckjord believes that he has new info. regarding the Bigfoot article, only that he gets reverted by User:Dreamguy and allies, and he easily loses his temper, thus you have your revert wars. Martial Law 01:42, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
I've found, on the Bigfoot Discussion page statements that User:Dreamguy has made that could be considerd insulting. See User:Dreamguy's contribs as well. Martial Law 01:51, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
I also sincerely and humbly apologise to Wikipedia for any and all inconviences. Martial Law 03:09, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
I am NOT responding to User:Beckjord's campaign at all. Martial Law 02:52, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Would it be possible for me to remove the latest post from User:Beckjord from my talk page, old data w/o being penalized ? Martial Law 03:04, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Agreed. Martial Law 03:44, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
You, a Admin. ? Congrats. Martial Law 03:45, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
An editor by the name of user:VMORO is stubbornly trying to delete additions to Bulgarian language that he doesn't personally agree with. He's even removing the reference to the IPA handbook itself and he's not discussing the issue. Think you could join in the fray with some enlightened comments?
Peter Isotalo 04:31, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Go to User:Beckjord's Talk page. Am still watching. Will need Admin help. Martial Law 06:07, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
...brain... asploding... [52] ... send... help... — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 18:19, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Kindly restore the Independent School League (Washington, DC Area) page to its former state. Thank you. Powerco
You are correct. Thanks for fixing this page. It turns out there are three Independent School Leagues in the United States. Each exists without the knowledge of the others. See ISL.
What I am trying to do is allow all three to exist in Wikipedia. Thank you
Thank you, please include the area. The Washington DC area includes prep schools in Northern Virginia, Maryland, and the District.
Bishonen, unfortunately when you edited the name of Iota phi theta to Iota Phi Theta, you deleted a different article about a group with the same name but a different organization. Iota phi theta was a local service fraternity started at John Carroll Univ. as the article states, however, when you capitalized the "p" and the "t" you erased the article about Iota Phi Theta Fraternity, Inc. (unfortunately another user had changed it's name to Iota Phi Theta instead of the original Iota Phi Theta Fraternity, Inc. which left the article open to something like this happening).
Is there anyway to revert the article so that the name of Iota Phi Theta Fraternity, Inc. can be changed back so that this won't happen again or is the article lost? Suntzu1963 13:47, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
"The Pathetic Fallacy wants you!" Just came up with that. Geogre 19:19, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Happy New Year!— Theo (Talk) 00:03, 1 January 2006 (UTC) PS Nice fireworks!
Shinen Akimashite Omedeto Gozaimasu! Paul August ☎ 06:00, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Gott nytt år, Bish! Uppland 07:29, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Felix novo annum? (I got a hammer, and I hammer in the morning/ I hammer in the evening/ All over this site.) Geogre 13:37, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
No problem on the time. I'm thinking of going off to lunch and taking my girlfriend with me, just so she can't say that I never take her anywhere. (The difference between Iraq and Vietnam? Bush had a plan for getting out of Vietnam.) Anyway, I have nothing for or against Hollowinnermariolink, but when you lie about it, you're pretty much not an admin. To me, that carries a much longer shelf life than saying "fuck you" to a vandal (as happened with Lucky or Duncharris). Forget my looking at bigfoot, though. I have big enough feet. Geogre 15:51, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Could you make a sock check on User:Hollow Wilerding, User:Winnermario (see Mel Etitis' suspicions) and User:DrippingInk (see Bunchofgrapes' comments)? I don't have a strong opinion about the puppetry, but please note that if DrippingInk and Winnermario are her socks, they're abusive all right. They always vote to support Hollow Wilerding's FACs, and jump in to scold those who oppose. The affair is highlighted at Hollow Wilerding's prematurely delisted but very interesting RFA. Bishonen | talk 13:57, 31 December 2005 (UTC).
Please view my edit and see if you approve.
Thanks, Bishojo.
beckjord Beckjord 07:42, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
I would appreciate it if you no longer communicated with me. Holding a grudge against other users on Wikipedia is nothing to be proud of (not that I'm saying you're proud of it), but now that you know User:DrippingInk, User:Winnermario and myself, User:Hollow Wilerding all share the same computer, please do not bother me anymore. I will ensure that they no longer vote on any FACs I nominate, though I find this unfair, considering we are not the same people. But just so that it doesn't cause anymore controversy, I will make sure of it. Also, I will let you know that I do plan on running for RfA again one day (not anytime soon). Don't hold this case back on me when that time comes, because it isn't my fault. Remember to assume good faith, which I want to believe in with you yourself. For the time being, at least until the situation clears, could you refrain from speaking to me for a little while? If you need me though (which I highly doubt), you can find me editing where I usually edit. Thanks for reading this bothersome notice. — Hollow Wilerding . . . ( talk) 15:26, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Oy ve. I just noticed this. As an administrator, do you know if spamming user pages for votes is comparable to sockpuppetry during FAC votes? Which is the worst abuse of the FAC process? Is FAC vote-spamming also a blockable offense? This has nothing to do with HW; it is just a question I've had. Thank you. Saravask 05:12, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
To me, it's all about deception. Deceiving voters is blockable. Just calling on friends is irrelevant, especially if the friends are clueless. It only takes one substantial set of objections, after all, and it's easy to object to nearly any article. When a number of previously unheard of voters show up at FAC, a great many folks start looking for flaws to object to. That's a different class of offense from lying, and I disagree with the page on sockpuppets: I think they should all be blocked, without exception, that there is no excuse for them whatever. I'm kind of Catonian, though. Geogre 13:47, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Good news! I have returned. Life is back to normal. I don't suppose you would like to have a look at my sensitive and poignant portrayal of a true love story here [54] you will cry, you will weep, and laugh at this beautiful story, not since the days a of "Aberlard and whatsername" have I read such beauty in prose - where can you help? - you ask - just a little copyedit, and find some pictures, I'm going to ask Fil if he ever returns to caption a foto of Venice with the bit from The Cantos about her - I don't have time to read the whole flaming poem to find it, he will know where it is. I am now composing myself for the death scene, and the funereal gondela crossing the silenly lapping waters of the lagoon, as Venetians gently weep, and a hidden orchestra plays that Mahler bit from death in Venice - Oh weepy weepy. Happy new Year! Giano | talk 12:56, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Well, someone rushed in where angels feared to tread and wrote Sentimental novel. Is this a good thing? Well, we have had our chances for over a year. It's fairly rudimentary, but it exists, so links have all turned blue. Geogre 23:44, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
An RfC has been filed against you: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Bishonen. DO NOT block the endorser of the RfC. Siblings WC 02:25, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Don't be like that, eh?
We often kick people when they are down, or acting stupid *cough* Brandt *cough* and it's not nice. It's understandable but it's not nice.
And if you want a full accounting of my incivility, I'll direct you to a couple of admins who I'm sure have extensive lists.
brenneman (t) (c) 07:07, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
What is going on with HW is a perfect example of poor handling of a situation. I don't pin all the blame on you, because HW has been very melodramatic and hostile, but surely you recognize that there was no good reason for this have come out the way it has. Don't you think she's a good editor? No one can deny such excellent content contributions, suspicions of sockpuppeting or not. An admin has to be able to think, when taking action in a case like this, what is best for the project? Majora's Mask needed to go to a revote, and all the suspected accounts needed to be lumped together as one for any future voting purposes, but that was all that needed to be done. We don't do away with good editors just because they get on our nerves. Somebody has got to remain to write articles. Everyking 07:22, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
I think the block you put on User:VMORO was unfair. Despite your personal content disputes (in which I take no position), he didn't violate neither 3RR nor any other rule that should get him blocked. You accuse him for ignoring your warning, as if it was part of WP:RULES. His edit summaries were not the most civil on earth, but they still wouldn't be classified under 'excessive personal attacks', I've known much worse that goes unnoticed [56]. Finally you indirectly warn him not to edit that article again, or you'll have him blocked with no prior warning. Due all the respect but you have no right to do such thing. Miskin
According to Hollow, she, Winnermario and her brother, use the same computer. They all have their personal Wiki accounts. You say they are suckpuppets because all of their accounts lead to the same IP, but if what they say is true, then they are no suckpuppets. Is that correct? My question: is it against Wiki policy for people to use the same computer and use their own personal Wiki accounts, as Hollow claimed to do? Someone else who might be using Wiki, could log into their account from my computer and start editing. Could you then accuse us for being suckpuppets? What if someone edits from a public computer, such as one from a library, where others might have used it to access their Wiki account?
Well, I'm really not asking for your personal opinion, but for the Wiki policy. You don't seem to have any concrete evidence that they are suckpuppets, other than their IP being the same - which, in my opinion, is not evidence enough. It can only work as a lead. I also disagree with you when you said that she's not a good editor. In my opinion, anyone who contributes with info, is doing good; and all who do good, are good. -- Anittas 15:59, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Rbj and possibly add a comment, if you feel so inclined? r b-j 16:04, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Hello. I have just registered an account on Wikipedia. I was searching for an administrator to help me become familiar with Wikipedia, and stumbled upon you, Bishonen. In regard to the blocks of DrippingInk, Hollow Wilerding, and Winnermario, I must make it clear that the operators of these accounts was... questionable. You see, I was introduced merely yesterday (January 2, 2006) to Wikipedia. The woman known as Hollow Wilerding presented me with her computer as a late Christmas gift as she is ordering a new computer. It might be in your personal interest to know that these three accounts have not been operated by three separate people; these accounts have been operated by two people. William Wilerding owned the DrippingInk account, while Mariah Wilerding owned the Winnermario account, and the reincarnation of Hollow Wilerding. Blocking these users was certainly the best decision that any administrator could make — they are deceitful people with terrible attitudes. Also, they are very clueless when it comes to English, which is a shame considering Mariah is an English teacher. I, Cruz Nelson, served as an English student of Mariah's from 2004–2005. I must admit that it was like living in hell; I have no idea how she was capable of receiving her graduate diploma. All in all, I have come to announce that she literally gave me her computer in an attempt to return to Wikipedia under a new IP address. Although some of their contributions, namely Cool (song) were generous and positive, overall these two siblings are not going to go far in life. Please understand what I am saying.
I must place emphasis on the fact that I, Cruz Nelson, am now operating the computer of a former Wikipedian Hollow Wilerding. The IP address, or from what I was explained to by Mariah, will be very identical. I would like to take this time to come out in the open, unlike Mariah and William, and announce that this computer is being operated by one user, and one user only. If I am having issues with anything related to Wikipedia, I will contact you Bishonen. Thank you for listening and good afternoon. – Cruz AFade ( Speak about it | How many?) 17:33, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
HW has a new sock of her own, Empty_Wallow ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). If this weren't ridiculous before, it definitely is now. -- keepsleeping sleeper cell 19:36, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Yawn. You guys, Bunch, Giano, Geogre, etc, would you please just delete posts from obvious HW footwear on sight if you catch sight of them on my page? Don't waste time replying. Now that you've already mixed these absurdities with your thoughtful observations (I'm referring to Giano), which I would by no means remove, it's not so easy to just clean up the page anymore. It gets long. Bishonen | talk 21:31, 3 January 2006 (UTC).
You have blocked me for 3R simply because I lost my temper with the crap from Greek nationalists. The Balkans pages generally are a disgrace, with lies and propaganda everywhere. It is only a matter of time before Wikipedia is sued for its pretence of providing accurate data while openly allowing manipulation of the information on it. I have tried being polite and it gets nowhere because these people are disgusting little racist nationalists: they have no interest in the truth and are manipulating you and others.-- 87.202.24.206 21:54, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
I can't believe that someone would file an RfC against you. It's totally out of line and the responsible parties should be blocked for trolling. You have my unwavering and total support. - Lucky 6.9 23:26, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Hey, Bishonen! (Remember Bishonen? This is her talk page.) When I re-read the first bit of Fanny Hill earlier, I noticed an explicit reference to Pamela, as Fanny is induced to go to London by a village girl who was a servant there and who told her of a famous girl who, by keeping her virginity, got to marry the lord and become a lady, complete with nice clothes and horses. I've ordered a new copy of it, as my present copy is a ratty tatty Signet Classic edition, but my present edition, for being on pulp paper, does have an introduction by J.H. Plumb from 1965. I'm sure someone has written scholarly work on the book. I plan to try Questia for it. Geogre 04:20, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Read what I wrote at User talk:Empty Wallow, and tell me if you would in fact be willing to let the past issues drop if she does what I have suggested. Please don't cling to hostilities if this can be made to work. Everyking 08:05, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
User:Peter Isotalo keeps placing a vowel chart in Bulgarian language, which has nothing to do with the Bulgarian language. The Bulgarian language has six vowel phonemes (+ 4 allophones, in all 10), the chart has 8 vowels - which are all supposed to be phonemes. I have included one of the sources which I have used during writing the article (the English one), later today it will be followed by the Bulgarian one, which is the latest edition on the Bulgarian language by the Bulgarian Academy of Science. Both sources confirm what I say whereas the vowel chart (which is completely wrong) has an unknown origin as it has not been made by the user who keeps putting it in. I have reverted again the article because the vowel chart is wrong, on top of it, it has an unknown origin. You can re-block me again but sooner or later I'll get de-blocked and there are also other administrators to contact, and I'll pursue my case until the vowel chart gets expunged from the article or gets corrected accordingly. Have a good day. VMORO 10:22, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
risposto - Rapidamente - Per favore Giano | talk 14:03, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Mail! Giano | talk 15:20, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Ok, since this place is such a hopping joint perhaps you, Bish, or someone else may have something to say on this. I've been considering merging playwright into 'play'. To me it makes sense to make this move as there isn't anything in playwright (besides the etymology of the term playwright) that wouldn't be repeated in play or perhaps under another topic like History of theatre. I left a note about this on the talk page of playwright but I haven't recieved a response. Anyone have a sage opinion on this? Thanks! *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 15:21, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Hello. I need to ask for an IP trace to determine whether User:201.137.188.56 and User:64.231.70.46 are sockpuppets of Drippingwilermariodink & Co. (my rationale is spelled out at Wikipedia:Featured article removal candidates/Cool (song)). I'm not sure whether I am allowed or how to ask directly. Thanks. Saravask 18:45, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
HW showed up on Saravask's talk page as 64.231.114.52 ( talk • contribs • page moves • block • block log), if you're keeping track.— Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 00:16, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Let me point out to you that you have absolutely no credibility with me and with others I know. The fact that you saw fit to intervene in a scenario in which you are clearly closer to one person than another indicates a basic misunderstanding of the notion of conflict of interest. The fact that you issued threats against me underlines this.
I have no wish to participate in any dialogue with you, beyond this comment.
Tony 09:06, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Don't let the Sleepy Hollow troll or other conflicts get to you. Here, have this friendly dog (it likes to listen to readings from restoration plays).
I have restarted the Strindberg bio with childhood and education, but haven't gotten much farther than that. Life and work interacts a great deal, but one probably needs to separate them in the article, just referring back and forth between the parts whenever necessary. The amount of stuff written on Strindberg is overwhelming. Make a JSTOR search and you will find a couple of review articles by Alrik Gustafsson from about 1950, covering about a dozen major works published during the years after the war alone (including the biography by Lamm).
BTW, I had no idea until yesterday that Frida Uhl later started a cabaret club in London and was known for firing guns inside luxury restaurants. There are a few references to her as "Madame Strindberg" in the ODNB, as some important English artists worked on the decorations. (She is also called the "widow of the playwright" in one place, which seems odd considering they had been divorced for years at the time. I made a general search for "Strindberg". The article on the publisher Duckworth seems to claim that the Strindberg's The Father, which D. published in English translation, was called Der Fater in the original language. I'm happy that the moronic proposal to ban non-English references was unsuccessful.) Uppland 12:13, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I keep meaning to tell you <boast boast> [58] It's now "18 Frenchmen can't be wrong" and it still has to stay there for ages more. Good thing things are faster here. Giano | talk 16:35, 5 January 2006 (UTC) PS: Its also been on the main page of the Sicilian Wikipedia, and had amazing reviews and reception by all three of the readers.
Thank you for your attention and the release. I should have been in bed anyway. Best wishes. WBardwin 01:26, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Your block of HW went through no process, so it isn't like an ArbCom ban where you could revert on sight. This is getting to the point where I feel like I'm going to have to intervene and unblock her myself. We have a great editor prevented from creating more feature-quality articles because of all this foolishness. The whole point of Wikipedia is being defeated here. Please, I ask you, let's agree on some terms so that she can return to editing, and then we will see if she'll agree to those terms. I promise you that if she violates terms we agree on, I will not try to defend her anymore. Everyking 06:28, 7 January 2006 (UTC)