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Hi AndrewEnns, welcome to Wikipedia. I notice you've been editing for about a month and a half, and you're enthusiastically jumping in and doing great things. One of the things I felt uncertain about as a new editor was when to link and when not to, and it looks like you might be facing the same situation on occasion. The Manual of Style for linking is quite good for explaining appropriate linkages. For example in this edit you made to Chilliwack Lake, you linked teenagers, slough, drunk, and old growth forest (among others).
Another thing I noticed is that you removed a redlink in Cultus Lake (Oregon). This should only be done if you believe there is little chance of the Little Cultus article being written. Ever. Redlinks are generally okay. WP:REDLINKS explains in detail; a recent study found that redlinks drive the growth of Wikipedia.
Thanks for your efforts! — EncMstr ( talk) 07:34, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Given the above comment, and some other issues, I suggest that you may want to direct your edits to existing articles for some while, so that you have a chance to hear responses from other editors, and have discussions with them. Another, also useful alternative is to ask for a Wiki mentor. These editors are cheerful and helpful, and can get you jump-started into what can be some complex and baffling Wiki practices. That would be preferable to creating too many articles that you will later discern need considerable work.
One concern is that, perhaps in an effort to avoid copyright infringement (itself, very commendable), you are unintentionally changing the information so that it is no longer accurate. For example in Bear Lake (Washington) you write that it is 20 feet above Deer Lake, but the source you quoted says it drops 20 feet to a river, one that is either above or below Deer Lake. I.e., it Bear Lake cannot be 20 feet above Deer Lake. Another example is that you write "The lake is often frozen over", but the reference doesn't say this, it says that it is 90% frozen (during an unspecified period).
I'm not a mentor, but I am a professional editor...so that may be useful to you. Regards, Piano non troppo ( talk) 04:00, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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Hello AndrewEnns. I see you've been making a lot of stream articles for Washington and the Pacific Northwest. That's great! I've noticed that you've often made "See also" sections with many links to pages already linked to in the main text. That is not generally done (see WP:SEEALSO)--there are times when it makes sense, but with short articles there's no need. If the link is already in the main text there is no need to repeat the link under "See also". I've removed some of these links under "See also", but I've noted you've put some back. Really, it is just redundant if they are already in the main text just above.
Also, when making bullet lists as in "See also" lists, you only need to use one "*" per line. Using more than one (like ***Some link) created an unnecessary and confusing hierarchical list (see Help:List). That's all, just some friendly advice! Pfly ( talk) 07:44, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
AS you will see in your watchlist I amended Ashlu River to Ashlu Creek, which is the official name, and changed your designation of its range from Cascade Range to the correct Pacific Ranges. Please note the American usage "Cascade Range" for the Coast Mountains is not appropriate; the Cascades end at the Fraser River and do not proceed north of it (while the Cascade Volcanic Arc does, it's not the same thing). Skookum1 ( talk) 12:47, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I see you've been adding articles regarding waterfalls in Washington State and using my website(s) as sources, which is fine as long as you're citing the source. What I am a little miffed about though is that you are more or less paraphrasing what is said on my website (waterfallsnorthwest.com) - often in not so subtle fashion - and in cases such as the page for Little Mashel River Waterfalls, you seem to be taking the source material out of context when reworking the information to avoid copyright infringement, and not to sound like the Wikipolice, but I see this has been pointed out before in some of your contributions.
You're more than welcome to use my material as source information, but you need to write your articles in a way that keep the information original, accurate, relevant (going back to the Little Mashel River page, under the entry for the Lower Falls, this bit: "Caution should be used when using the trail to the falls’ base since it is overgrown, steep & muddy." isn't pertinent to information about the waterfall itself and should be left out because conditions such as these are to be expected around streams and waterfalls, its not necessarily unique to this particular waterfall and mostly Wikipedia doesn't serve as a field guide and as such conditional information shouldn't be included.
Bryan Swan | World Waterfall Database (
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22:38, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Patrolling new pages, I once again found [1] an article where the citation you gave contradicts what you wrote in the article, and does not verify much of the rest of the text, which appears to be original research. (The waterfall height is given in the reference as 40 feet, yet you wrote 30 feet.)
Putting misinformation into Wikipedia reflects badly on it.
In the specific case of Ashlu Falls, what is the source of your information? Piano non troppo ( talk) 07:36, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
I just noticed that you reverted my edit to Canyon Falls without explanation. I gave my reasoning in my edit, and it is not appropriate to revert it without explanation. (Particularly since my edit would probably be considered correct.) Your edits as a whole do not appear to be constructive, are introducing factual errors into Wikipedia, and are potentially violating copyright. You have made no response to comments from several editors. I'm giving you a formal warning that if you continue in this fashion, it may be considered vandalism. Editors who repeatedly vandalize are blocked from editing. Please respond. Piano non troppo ( talk) 08:09, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
I just saw your question about putting pictures on Wikipedia at Talk:Ashlu Falls, so I decided to tell you how to post that image:
Good luck, themaee talk 00:35, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
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Just noticed your comment on my talk page: How to put the image? Well, there is a place in the infobox that says "image". Just copy the name of the image (ex: Example.jpg) into the blank space. This will produce the image. themaee talk 05:04, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
(All: I've copied material from my talk page from Bryanswan, AndrewEnns, and myself. AndrewEnns asked me to respond on this page -- which seems appropriate. There are various issues, and I had already added a short sentence apologizing for my use (or Wikipedia's use) of the word "vandalism". After thinking this through, I'm going to focus on copyright infringement and original research, which may be at the heart of the issues. (See below) Piano non troppo ( talk) 08:24, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
AndrewEnns —Preceding unsigned comment added by AndrewEnns ( talk • contribs) 05:48, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
AndrewEnns, the central issues here are that your type of edits waver between being copyright infringement and original research. The first is forbidden in Wikipedia in all circumstances, and the other is contrary to one of the three Wikipedia core values, see WP:OR.
Copyright infringement: Everything that a person writes is copyrighted (with exceptions that do not apply here). If I write a letter to my father, it's automatically copyrighted. If I write an article for my Web site, it's automatically copyrighted. The material that is on Bryan Swan's Web site is therefore, copyrighted -- Bryan Swan owns it. Wikipedia editors may quote *limited* sections of a copyrighted work, but if that quote runs to several hundred words OR it essentially copies an whole article, then it is copyright infringement.
Can Bryan Swan give away his rights to Wikipedia? Yes, he can, because he owns it. Can you AndrewEnns, or I copy *substantial* parts of his work into Wikipedia? No. It's irrelevant that he's "a good guy" and wants to share his knowledge. Unless he formally gives up ownership -- then he still owns it -- and Wikipedia cannot use it.
AndrewEnns: Generally though, you or I can *quote* small pieces. A sentence, a few numerical figures.
Bryan Swan: You need to be careful here, because once material is (legally) placed in Wikipedia, you no longer have personal control over it. You have the same legal right to change it as any other editor. (AndrewEnns and I, for example.)
Original research. This is the other half of this "rock and a hard place" situation. Wikipedia does not allow original research. That means that even if I see something happen with my own eyes, if another editor objects to it ... they can remove it, and there's not much I can do about it. This, in fact, happened to me when I was a new Wikipedia editor. Unfortunately, I am an expert in a couple fields. And so...Wikipedia still does not have that expert knowledge.
Here, your original research is problematic, AndrewEnns, because: 1) It sometimes contradicts the very references that you cite!, and 2) as Bryan Swan points out, what is written is sometimes "irrelevant and unverifiable information".
Your question, AndrewEnns is: "Well, why does Bryan Swan get to write anything he wants, including things that I don't agree with?" And you are partly right. Who is Bryan Swan? Who says his Web site is reliable? That's something we could argue about. BUT. Even if the Wikipedia community decides Bryan Swan's www.waterfallsnorthwest.com is not an acceptable reference -- it STILL would not allow you, AndrewEnns or me to write anything we wanted in Wikipedia! We would need, just as an example, a Web site that was better than Bryan Swan's. And...let's face it...his site is pretty darn good. He's been running it for 10 years, and as a professional editor, it appears to me to be of very high quality.
Now. If you and Bryan Swan want to have a discussion about the "real" height of a waterfall, that's a matter for the discussion page of the Wikipedia waterfall article. (Bryan Swan defines this rather carefully on his Web site, here: [6].
For me, the random Wikipedia editor, I want to know why one person says a waterfall is 10 feet taller than the other person does. If neither side can convince me...then...well...I might decide to delete all mention of the height. Better to say nothing, than have a fact that's in dispute.
AndrewEnns, if you have been to these lakes, there are a huge number of things you could contribute that Bryan Swan does not. He's not willing to give up rights to his professional photos...but you could take photos and give them into the public domain (I do this, myself.) Bryan Swan's expertise seems to be geology...there's little about plant or animal life. Seems as though that could be invaluable to Wikipedia articles, especially since these waterfalls are liable to have mini-ecological niches.
Regards all, Piano non troppo ( talk) 08:24, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Andrew, I would agree with you that the tidbit about the murder should be considered relevant information, but if other editors feel its questionable material, you should probably pose a question on the article's Discussion page addressing the issue rather than going back and forth with others edits. My big concerns with your articles are the facts that you waver from generalization to summarization to speculation and back again, and that you seem to include almost as much irrelevant information as you do relevant. As I've said on a couple articles I've revised, you're more than welcome to cite my websites as sources and summarize - in your own words - what I'm getting across, but paraphrasing what I've said as I've seen on several of the articles you (and others for that matter) have written isn't acceptable, and as Piano non troppo pointed out, all the content on my website is copyrighted and is denoted as such at the bottom of every page.
Further, when you add in things like this: Getting down to the base of the falls as well as the brink is easily possible, but extreme caution should be used since the rocks are very slippery, especially in high water, and many people have died due to them not being careful enough around the lip of the falls. [7], you're addressing more than the specifics which the article should be addressing and stretching the concept from that of Encyclopedia to Guide Book, which this is not. There really shouldn't be any references referring to accessibility, statements regarding the perceived grandeur (or lack thereof), or anything that can't be proven factual because of a basis of speculation, subjectivity and personal experience.
As far as Ashlu Falls goes, no I haven't been there in person. I tried once but couldn't get my car up the hill without my tires spinning out (bad tread) and I didn't know how far of a walk it was and didn't have time to investigate. The 40 foot figure I have displayed on my site is an old estimate I got from kayakers before the creek was frequently paddled and I haven't updated that data in years (deliberately, because its being moved to a different format and a different site), so you could very well be right about it being closer to 30 feet, but again as PNT stated, you're not supposed to use this site as an outlet for your personal data. I have lots of data which I can't prove but suspect to be accurate that I won't add to Wikipedia articles exactly for that reason.
Hope that clears up any questions.
Bryan Swan | World Waterfall Database (
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08:45, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi Andrew Enns! Since I have been interested to articles on streams in the PNW for some time I've noticed your work so far. And now I've seen some people pointing out issues with your editing as well as your frustration about some of the comments. I'd just like to say that I think these people are trying to help you get a sense of how Wikipedia tends to operate these days. Whether they've been completely welcoming or not is another issue. But from personal experience I can attest to there being a rather steep learning curve on the etiquette of being a Wikipedia editor. It certainly took me a while to get the hang of it, to figure out the accepted methods of citations, style, interpersonal dialogue, etc (it took me over a year to figure out how to do citations "right"). I think you are doing fine! Hopefully your frustration won't drive you away. It takes time to get into the swing of all this. I think you are doing good work. It could be better in accord with general Wikipedian standards--but it takes time to figure that stuff out. It looks like you are trying though, so I thought I'd post this saying you are on the right track. I noted the above comments about 30 vs 40 feet for Ashlu Falls. It may be you are right in your personal observations, but a fundamental pillar of Wikipedia is Wikipedia:Verifiability, which means information must come from reliable sources and not personal experience. It may be that all reliable sources are wrong and one's personal experience is right--and sometimes that happens. Still it is important for an encyclopedia like this is reference its statements to other sources. In short Wikipedia is a collection of already published information, not a a collection of new information collected by personal observation, whether or not one's personal observation is superior. I know this can sometimes be a pain, but that's the way it is. There are ways to point out where "reliable sources" may be incorrect. ...Anyway, sorry to harp on that--I am glad you are here and adding content. I'm glad you have been responding to talk page questions. --It's all good! Ride out this bit of turbulence and you'll find working here a great deal of fun, really! In short, welcome to Wikipedia! ...it gets better, really. Pfly ( talk) 04:40, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
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Andrew, you should be able to go to any user's profile, click on the "Discussion" tab, then click on the "New Section" tab to post a message under its own heading. I think you may have been looking at the User page rather than the Discussion page.
Bryan Swan | World Waterfall Database (
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Hi Andrew; thanks for all your work on BC rivers. I thought maybe you might be interested in trying to find a book called Water Powers of British Columbia, published by the Water Rights Branch in the 1950s or c.1960; I used to have a copy, it was my father's (he was with Hydro) but I gave it away to another researcher. It has flow-rate details and head and suchlike on nearly all major streams in the province. Some libraries may have it or it may be available through interlibrary loan or in a used bookshop somewhere. Skookum1 ( talk) 17:03, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Bishop Falls is certainly not the tallest falls in Canada, but it is one of the major "tall" waterfalls in the country. The height I mentioned in the talk page is an estimate based on Topo maps and Google Earth, but it can't be thought of as definitive in any way. It could be off by as much as 200-300 feet, maybe even a bit more. Bare minimum its about 1300 feet tall, but based on the very few pictures I've seen of it and the terrain rendering on GE, I'd estimate it to be closer to 1600 feet. If you write an article about it, be careful how you word it so as to indicate that it hasn't (to my knowledge) been measured and be sure to omit any conjecture on my or your part since it can't be confirmed. Coordinates are 58.6752571, -133.453415.
As far as the WWD not having been updated in several years, we're working on a new version of the site which will greatly expand the breadth of coverage and I hope to have it online by early this summer. I've already got an entry for Bishop in the new data ready to go when the site goes live.
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23:12, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Bryan Swan | World Waterfall Database ( talk) 21:29, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Andrew. Is your block situation sorted out now? As Steve explained, your account has never been blocked, but it sounds like you might be using an IP address or range that I have previously blocked anonymous editing from. This would mean that you aren't able to edit from it anonymously (ie logged out) but that you can sign into your account and edit from that. If this is the case, you will be fine to edit and won't even see the block notice as long as you remember to log in. If you want me to look into it further, you can send an email to unblock-en-l@lists.wikimedia.org with the details of the block (particularly the IP address) and either myself or another admin will have a look at it for you and see if the block can be removed now. Cheers, Sarah 03:40, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Well this has been my day so far: I woke up at 3 in the morning with a sore throat & a cough. I consistantly had to make trips from that point on to the sink to get water to appease my sore throat temporarily. I wasn't able to get back to sleep for the rest of the night & then, when I finally went downstairs & onto my computer, the Internet was down. Great way to start a day!
I gradually felt worse & worse as the day went along until I felt at about 3 that my head was going to explode due to increasing heaviness in it as well as a very uncooperative nose. At the moment I am feeling a little better but I won't keep my hopes up.
Sadly, this is pretty common for me each spring. Each spring, allergies bother may & give me colds. Oddly, just yesterday I was thinking that this might be the year where I avoided it all. Not the case!
AndrewEnns ( talk) 02:23, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! Pfly ( talk) 04:24, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Tommorow I will be heading up to Mount Baker. I don't know how far I will get but I suspect I will get all the way to the top however I suspect up there at 4000 feet there will be snow covering everything but the road. I will take lots of pictures, some of which I plan on putting on Wikipedia. I also like taking videos as well. Anyhow, I'm really excited about tomorrow & I can't wait for it to start! AndrewEnns ( talk) 01:15, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
While I was puttering around on the bridge over the river above Nooksack Falls, I found the craziest thing. I looked down & saw a pair of headphones sitting on the bridge. I couldn't believe my eyes! I picked them up & plugged them into my ipod (which I happened to have with me) & I got the best base I've ever gotten on any pair of headphones. I felt like I had surround sound in my headphones & when I listened to Thunderstruck by AC/DC I felt like I was at a concert but then I looked forward & realized I wasn't. They really are awesome headphones! And of all places to find them eh? AndrewEnns ( talk) 05:31, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
The photo is not really mine. I transferred it from Flickr (some of their pictures are under sufficiently free licenses). Here are some other shots:
You may try to use this tool, and then upload the images using this bot. Colchicum ( talk) 08:43, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Have you been to Nairn, Andrew? I'm very familiar with it, and am not sure that "cascade" is apt though maybe I should check that definition, if there is one. It's very much a double falls, with a short canyon/cauldron connecting them (with a real interesting submerged arch, when water's low anyway). Not sure if a "double falls" is the same as a "cascade", which would strike me more as a series of small falls, not two big ones. Skookum1 ( talk) 14:50, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
See Title! AndrewEnns ( talk) 04:11, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Shannon1 talk contribs 04:29, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Here are several photos I took while I was up at Baker. Most of them are of waterfalls since I'm into waterfalls. AndrewEnns ( talk) 05:54, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
The Salmon River is at the head of the Salmon Arm, SW of the city of Salmon Arm; the Anstey River is at the head of Anstey Arm. Skookum1 ( talk) 13:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello Bryan
I'm currently working on & creating articles for the Mount Robson Provincial Park/ Upper Fraser River area. Right now, I want to make a stub for Toboggan Falls in the Berg Lake area. The reason I'm doing this is that Toboggan Falls is a very interesting feature; it is a long slide down a long, sloping face of limestone. I've done some research about it & while I have learned a lot about what the falls look like & the type of rock they flow over, ect. I can't find anything about their height. Looking at Google Earth, I'd say they are probably about 200 feet high however, Google Earth isn't the answer to everything regarding waterfalls. Do you know anything more about them (I'm mainly asking for the height & any other information you have on it)? Your entry on it on your site doesn't really say a lot but I'm hoping you might have some information about it that is not in your site. Now I could just make a stub with the information that I have, but I don't think anyone wants a waterfall article on Wikipedia without at least an approximate height, so I'd like to hear what you have to say about it before I possibly jump the gun here.
By the way, do you like some of the photos of Nooksack Falls that I took? As you can also see, I got one of a portion of the falls below the Bagley Lakes as well. As you can see in the picture, there was far too much snow to go have a closer look but ever since I saw that you had put in a waterfall entry for a falls on Bagley creek just below the lakes I've been wanting to go to Heather Meadows & go see for myself. There is for sure a big falls here, I'd say we are probably talking about a 200 foot cascade here. The photo, by the way, was taken about 100 feet above the brink of the falls; just off the Bagley Lakes Parking Lot.
I also checked out the Lower Falls on Bagley Creek. Aaronswaterfallworld, a site that normally gives very detailed, accurate information & directions for all the falls they visit, gypped me on this one. Its impossible (unless you will climb through thorn bushes to see a waterfall like me) to get a good view of it. And the thing is, other than the view from the creek that one has to climb through thorn bushes to get to, there is no other view of it. They should have mentioned all of the above; I didn't get my money's worth at Bagley Creek's Lower Falls!
By the way, both Bagley & Galena Creeks were going insane when I was up there on the 30th of May. Bagely Creek was almost river sized (below its Lower Falls, I could have actually pulled me downstream & I probably would not have been able to get out of it, it was that high) & Galena Creek was going completely beserk & lets just say it was not the little mountain brook it is usually recognized as!
Cheers
AndrewEnns ( talk) 06:11, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Bryan Swan | World Waterfall Database ( talk) 21:29, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I just wanted to let you know that this article has been proposed for deletion, by me. I am familiar with Arctomys Creek and I am quite sure that there is no significant waterfall on it. I had a look at your source website, and found that page to be conjecture more than fact. No offense, just trying to make wikipedia a better place. Ian mckenzie ( talk) 23:56, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that you were creating a bunch of talk pages which all say that the article is "stub" and "low importance", but I think you could actually change that around a little bit. Given Arctomys Cave, wouldn't it be at least mid importance (for WikiProject Canada) if it is Canada's deepest measured cave? Shannon1 talk contribs 04:04, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Alright, I see what you are getting at. Thanks for the advice!
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05:00, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Andrew, I know you are wondering why I removed the info box for Arctomys Cave. Many of our caving wikipedians, particularly from the United States, are reluctant about providing cave locations for safety and conservation reasons, which is why similar info does not appear on other cave pages. I won't remove it again, but don't be surprised if someone else does. Perhaps you'll consider removing it yourself; up to you though. Ian mckenzie ( talk) 17:12, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Well, I was just going to write to your talk page about it but you beat me to the topic. Yes, I was wondering why you removed the geobox so thank you for answering. So the reason is they don't want random people trying to go up there & then getting themselves hurt; is that what you are saying?
My other question is why you removed 2 perfectly good references; the BCGNIS page & the other reference I had in there (Place Names in the Canadian Rockies)? I saw that you put in better references but I didn't understand why you took out perfectly good ones I put on there. Most locations in BC have a BCGNIS page on them & when they are on Wikipedia a good refernce is a BCGNIS page. I don't know if this is obvious to you since you are from Alberta, but I'm telling this to you now so you know (if you do already, I apoligize for pointing out the obvious).
Cheers
AndrewEnns ( talk) 17:23, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I found mention of it in mining reports on the Thutade Lake region and found it in BCGNIS, along with the 180 ft height (mapped by Arrowsmith a long time ago). Back there with cites for the mine and hydro proposal info.... Skookum1 ( talk) 22:06, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
You're gonna want this and this. I think the first one focuses on the Fraser basin, the other one is province wide, publ. dates 1931 and 1938 respectively. See this entry at the BC Ministry of Forests Library website. Skookum1 ( talk) 22:11, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I have added geotags to photos on Flickr, back when that was the only way to locate them. Later I used the "map" feature, where you can just drag and drop photos to locations. I don't think this causes them to appear in Google Earth though. I know there are more ways to geotag photos, perhaps some causing the photos to appear in Google Earth (and/or Google Maps), but I have not taken the time to figure it out. Let me know if you figure it out--I would enjoy seeing my photos there. I still get a little thrill when seeing a Wikipedia icon/page in Google Earth/Maps that I created. And, I don't find anything odd about you putting photos on your talk page--some nice ones there! If you cared to separate the photos from the talk you could make a subpage. You just make a link on your page (I use my home page, User:Pfly rather than my talk page) that looks like [[/Some page name]] and save the page. The link will be red, if you click on it you can make a new page--a subpage of your user page. Useful! Sorry if this is something you already knew about. You can see my little collection of subpages at User:Pfly#Other. I use them mostly for random bits of info and half-written pages and what not. Pfly ( talk) 07:05, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
On June 13th of 2009, I went on a little outing to Hicks Lake in Sasquatch Provincial Park. I had some fun up there. It was sunny when I left however, in accordance to Murphy's Law, it got overcast AS SOON as I got there. I still went for a swim though & I found out the water was niether warm or cold. There were a lot of teenagers up there with lots of booz, however, the summer crowds have not arrived yet so it is fine.
I also took my kayak out to the 2 small islands out in the middle of the lake. Aside from the image of the Chevron Station (which I took as I was waiting at the intersection beside it while making my way through Chilliwack), all my photos were taken either from the kayak or from the islands.
I checked out em' both & while both are interesting I think the general opinion amongst everyone on which one is better is quite one sided toward the southern island. The northern is very rocky & difficult to get around; the southern one is bigger, more open & even has a small beach which is why people usually opt to go hang out on the southern one. The best picture I have, mind you, is from the rocks on the northern island.
I've wondered this sometimes: Does anyone ever check out Moss Lake, which is just east of Hicks & is a full 1076 feet above Hicks. There is apparently a trail that goes up there & supposedy there are some big fish in what looks like more of a swamp than a lake. Probably tons of algae &... moss!
Here are some of the pictures I took while I was up there:
Hi Andrew; I just updated the Davis Lake Park article and added mention of McDonald Falls and its BCGNIS; wanted to suggest you trip out there and check it out, it's slender and flanked by rainforest so not viewable from a distance but the trail from the road down the lake is neat (though steep)....not sure of its height. I could have made it just a redirect to the Davis Lake Park article but thought it best to be stand-alone for now; if you can find any data on it, somewhere. Also there is, so far as I know, a big waterfall on Cascade Creek; I'll see if the FVRD has a page on Cascade Falls Regional Park, which is just SE of Davis and the road crosses Cascade Creek to get to Davis Lake; the lower walk-in to Davis is to the left after crossing Cascade Creek, signage is poor; I've always gotten there by going to the top of McDonald Falls and walking down...it's worth the walk, especially if you camp overnight or get down early enough to have morning or early afternoon sunlight on Robie Reid, which looms up REAL high over the lake (it's only about 8 miles away at this point).....and by the way, it's uncool and against hte rules to use talkpage and userpages as image galleries and travel blogs; if you want to have images here use [[:File:Filename.jpg]] or [[:Image:Filename.jpg]]. I'm not trying to bite your head off about it, but some admin might.... Skookum1 ( talk) 19:09, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Yo; I just noticed the delete on your Shingle Creek picture; even though you've put source:I took this myself the licnese to use is {{pd-self}}, which releases it into the public domain . Just do that with all of them and they'll be fine, no more warnings....if it's a BC ARchives or other govt image, has to be minimum 50 years old, use {{pd-Canada50}}....I think that's right, if not check one of the images on, say, Steamoats of the Upper Fraser River and Steamboats of the Skeena River and see what's used there.... Skookum1 ( talk) 00:05, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
I just saw your additions to the infobox for Thompson River....you've got the left/right concept backwards, Andrew. It's not left/right on the map, it's left/right according to the downward flow of the river, i.e. what comes in from the right, what comes in from the left. The Tranquille, Deadman and Bonaparte are right tributaries, the Nicola is a left tributary. Also see Talk:Deadman's Island (Vancouver) re Deadman River/Deadman's River; I made that article, following BCGNIS's official usage; I know locally people say "Deadman's River" and maybe "we" should look at web materials as to how much "Deadman's River" (also "Deadman's Creek") gets used, ie. in local planning documents, news copy, MoF, EMR/MINFILE reports etc.... Skookum1 ( talk) 14:13, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
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I think I, like most, was caught totally off guard when Michael Jackson died. I'm not a Jackson fan, but I was shocked when I heard about his death. Obviously, when a guy that famous dies, it is going to get a lot of attention. I have to say I never quite knew how to think of Jackson; he was a very talented guy but he also was totally mixed up inside. He was the first person to make a music video for his songs, which is now something that pretty much all bands do now. It's not like he didn't earn his fame; he did a lot of other amazing things many people wish they could match. But he was also very mixed up... in many ways. Some people will remember him for all his music & great accomplishments & others will remember him for all his controversies. There is for sure a lot of mixed feelings toward him & his death out there right now.
I found out about it in a rather odd way. In my basement, I have an old TV that has the inside of the box that you attach the cable that brings service into your TV to ripped out. However, I found a way to get service if I touched the end of the connecter cable to a little spot inside the box which is pretty much hollow; someone probably thought the connecter cable came out like a regular plug so they pulled it & not only took out the cable but also the inside of the little box where the cable connects to. Anyhow, I was fiddling around with the cable trying to get it to stay in one spot while it was touching the little spot. As I would fiddle around with the cable trying to get it to stop moving around I would look at the screen to see how good the quality of the picture was. It was then that I saw the words Michael Jackson Dead on the bottom of the screen, which was showing Channel 51, a news channel where I live. I remember going "What" before listening intently to what the person on the show had to say. At that point, there were huge crowds in front of the hospital he was announced dead in & the hospital staff was having a hard time keeping people away! I guess that shows you how important the death of a guy like Michael Jackson is to people these days.
RIP
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Andrew, disambiguation pages are not supposed to have references, and should only have one primary link on each line, and those coordinates will be deleted by an admin or a WP:Disambiguation editor when this page is finally patrolled. Also the original entries were taken directly from the results of a search for "Mud Lake' in BCGNIS, so while you may think that they don't exist at those lccations, the primary reference does. The Mud Lakes "north of Carpenter Lake" I'll be making an article for as it's a primary regional prominence col (for Red Mountain (Camelsfoot), though because the latter doesn't have an article I haven't bothered yet; see my updates to Churn Creek from last night. And also, would you please not use your talkpage as a photo gallery? It's not what talkpages are for, and unless those photos are used in articles they're going to wind up deleted anyway; it makes it real awkward looking for the "edit" links on sections they affect teh placement of; I had to start at the top of the page; no biggie because this is a new addition, but it's awkward for sections above. also while I appreciate your feelings about MJ, WP:Wikipedia is not a blog. Again, an admin may admonish you for this at some point....anything like that belongs, if anywher, on your userpage, not on a page meant to discuss articles and issues...don't mean to be harsh, there's just rules connected with wikipedia... Skookum1 ( talk) 16:22, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Once again, regarding the images thing, the pictures beside this section are the last I will be putting on this page. You told me I can't do that so I uploaded the last of the ones I wanted to upload & then made the decision to get an account on Flickr. The thing is I was halfway through uploading my photos from Hicks Lake when you told me I wasn't allowed so I thought I'd finish uploading the ones that still hadn't been uploaded & then change to Flickr.
As for making a page for the Mud Lakes north of Carpenter Lake I really don't see any reason to make an article for them; unless of course they have history behind them. They are pretty insignificant otherwise.
BTW, I'm leaving in a few hours to go to Hawaii for about a week so this is probably the last response you will get from me. See you in a week! AndrewEnns ( talk) 18:13, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
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Hi Andrew, did you get the coordinates for the list of crossings of the Thompson River from BCGNIS? I might start putting citations in right now )though I'm not sure what site BCGNIS is so I will have to look) but if you could help put a few in, that would be helpful. Shannon1 talk contribs 17:57, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
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Hello Skookum! How was your trip? Did you enjoy yourself?
Anyhow, I just wanted to hear your opinion on my idea of getting the Similkameen Falls page removed from Wikipedia. Like I said in the above sub-section, the falls are nothing more than a series of rapids, which is why I don't think Wikipedia needs an article on them. What is your take on this?
By the way, I'll be gone for about an hour & a half doing some tubing down a river so leave your reply & I will get to it as soon as I can. AndrewEnns ( talk) 21:02, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
I think this type of thing is exactly what Katr67 was trying to prevent when she asked you not to post again. Please remember to be civil, and no personal attacks. Thanks, Little Mountain 5 22:48, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Regardless of whether or not you think the article to be written in a neutral point of view, the fact is that you went there and made your own observations (not a bad thing to do) and are reporting it as such on a website that revolves around the premise of information being verifiable via a third party. As far as what you saw, I've never seen pictures of [Similkameen Falls] (yours aside) nor have I been there, so I can't say whether you found the right spot or not, or whether your observations are accurate. I have a hard time believing that the feature you found is the actual falls because generally waterfalls in BC which are named and registered with the BCGNIS are notable at least in that there is an identifiable vertical drop of some sort. Dropping 25 feet in a 1200 foot run most certainly does not qualify in my mind. Also, dunno whether you added the bit pointing out that Coyote Falls in WA is also known as Similkameen Falls, but its not that its "incorrectly known" as that, but that its an alternate name. Enloe Falls is actually the proper name of that feature.
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Hello AndrewEnns, The Fraser River source coordinates appeared on a list of out-of-range coordinates, having given a 188 degrees West coordinate. I reviewed the article's talk page discussion, then the article history. The 188 degrees value appeared to be a typographic error at first. I substituted 52 31 36 N 118 53 59 W, as given by your revision as of 2009-06-04T22:14:43; however, that put the cursor into the next valley west, into the Canoe Reach. So I decided to use the 52 31.1 N 118 19.0 W coordinates from your just-previous revision as of 2009-06-04T22:06:08. It's not clear to me whether I've used the coordinates you intended to be the correct ones. If you have time, please take a look at the Fraser River source coordinates. BrainMarble ( talk) 01:58, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
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Andrew, the thing with templates is you can't just unilaterally remove them; the listing at CSD will not be changed even if the template is gone from the page.....please go to Wikipedia:Media Copyright Questions and ask what you're doing wrong with the licensing tags. From what I can see they look fine, though maybe you're inputting things like "this image is my own work" manually instead of letting the license-drawbar or template ({{ pd-self}}) do the job......all your images are legitimate, I know that, but there's some kind of "hitch" in the way you've been licensing them that's getting all this attention. Just ask and find out what's wrong....things have to be done a certain way, it's to protect wikipedia from any copyright infringements; this isn't just a website; stuff goes into a print and CD for-sale version and is repeated in not-free "clone" sites which make money; so copyright image, or any image that there's any question of copyright infringement, has to be removed; just prove that's not the case, and learn to use the tags properly. It has to be done that way. Skookum1 ( talk) 14:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Hello. Judging by the amount of edits you have logged & what your user page says, you are a Wikipedia expert. Then again, when you have the tenth most edits here, you generally are.
Now on your user page you say you do a lot of fixing links that don't go to their intended target. If that is the case could you do me a big favor? Could you go onto List of waterfalls in Canada & clean up A LOT of the links there? A good portion of them are blue but they don't go to the proper page they are supposed to take you to. An example of this would be the one for Crooked Falls. On the page, the link is simply Crooked Falls & it takes you to a page about one of the falls on the Missouri River in Montana. However, the intended target is the page about a waterfall near Squamish, British Columbia. The page does not exist for that specific waterfall but that is not the issue. Actually, when you change a lot of the links on that page, they will turn red. There is nothing wrong with that as it just means that page has not been made yet.
Whoever made that page just got lazy with the links I think. Take one look at that page & you will realize it is in need of some SERIOUS work. It needs every bit of attention it can get & I hope to do what I can for it but I can only do so much. If you could fix those links that would be great. Cheers AndrewEnns ( talk) 17:21, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
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Hi. Not a big deal, but in the future, please avoid editing other editors' comments. It's generally considered poor form. Regards, – Juliancolton | Talk 05:28, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I did some more work on the article. I went ahead and sorted a good chunk of the list. I tried to do the entire list but made one mistake which messed things up so I had to revert a couple of steps. I'll get back to working on it in a couple of days. They aren't sorted in alphabetical order yet but I've got some under the provinces. -- User:Woohookitty Diamming fool! 12:06, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
Talk pages exist to discuss their associated article, not as a forum to discuss the article's topic in general or a soapbox to declare one's personal beliefs about the subject matter. Comments like this [9] are unproductive and inappropriate, as is repeating them [10] after they're removed for irrelevancy to improving the article. It looks like you're a pretty productive editor in general, so I'm going to chalk this lapse up to a bad day. You might want to review Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines, however, to refresh yourself on proper talk page use and etiquette. -- Icarus ( Hi!) 17:58, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Andrew! I've been working on an article you created yesterday, Rock Creek Canyon Bridge. Great start! I hope you don't mind, but I've nominated it at Did you know, see here. If you can think of a better hook that can be sourced, please add it as an alternative! I'm afraid the current option is a little boring, but I couldn't think of anything else, ;-) Maedin\ talk 22:47, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
You have been blocked for 31 hours for your personal attacks such as the one made in this edit. Please rethink your approach here, and return with a more positive attitude in the future. — Ched : ? 07:27, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
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Since you in the same sentence seem to be defending you calling a Wikipedian a "fag", and somehow don't realize how incredibly offensive and bigoted that is, and insist on continuing to engage in insults like "jerk", "retarded" and "crybabies" I have blocked you again for personal attacks. Defending calling a user "fag" by saying that your words "had truth behind them" is basically a repeat of the same attack.
Please understand that name calling is not welcome here and will continue to result in blocks of increasing length. You need to keep your opinions about Wikipedian's intelligence and sexual preferences to yourself while you edit Wikipedia. Chillum 13:32, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
No, I do not understand this modern usage you speak of, you need to be aware of how you are coming off to other people who may not share your usage of this term. Calling someone "idiot" is not much better. You are allowed to defend other users in a reasonable way, but when you defend our users by attacking another(such as engaging in personal attacks) blocks are forthcoming. I really have not much awareness or interest in the surrounding issues, none of it gives license to act abusively to another Wikipedian. Chillum 16:16, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps you are not reading what I am saying to you, calling people "idiots", "jerks", "retarded", "crybabies", and "fag"(regardless of your meaning) is against the standards the community want enforced. They key issue here is not what "fag" means, it is the fact that you are attacking other editors with abusive language(and I don't mean bad words I mean abusive intent). I can think of alternate meanings for all sorts of nasty words but that does not mean they can be used in insults with impunity. This is not a misunderstanding Andrew. Chillum 16:36, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Correction Ched, it was meant to be an insult, he apparently meant it as "idiot". I think his point is that he meant it to be interpreted as a different type of insult. Chillum 16:55, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Please remember to assume good faith. Your recent reversion of this edit was defensible on stylistic grounds, but speaking as a third party, the fact that you called it vandalism was absolutely unwarranted.— Notyourbroom ( talk) 16:16, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Thank you to the people who supported me during that BS 7-day block. Pfly, thanks for willingly explaining things to me & Shannon, thank you for sticking up for me. Skookum also, thank you for telling it like it is; most admins are arrogant & full of themselves & just block whoever they disagree with. I think my block was a prime example of an admin assuming he knows what he's doing but doesn't. It was assumed that I was trying to re-phrase my original statement by the admin so he blocked me without separating facts from assumptions & simple biases.
Thanks to all who helped me through the block. As for the people who caused it, you should, to say the least, re-think your ways. AndrewEnns ( talk) 23:32, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I just felt like changing my name for a while & seeing how I liked it. If I don't I will change it back. Cheers to all AndrewEnns ( talk) 05:23, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
Did you mean to move the userpage to the article space? You moved it to OvechkinownsCrosby instead of User: whatever. -- User:Woohookitty Diamming fool! 06:51, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi - you can't change your name by moving your user pages, especially to a name which is in mainspace. To change your username, you need to go to WP:CHU. Black Kite 08:48, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
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I have added your Boundary Falls image to commons. Could you have a look at it here and let me know whether I got the location tag right? The google maps link shows where I thought your camera location was and the direction you would have been pointing the camera but it is only right if the coords in the Boundary Falls (British Columbia) article are right on because I can't make out the falls themselves in the satellite images. Good image by the way! -- KenWalker | Talk 04:39, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
I removed the picture because it isn't Deer Falls, its one I refer to as Vimy Falls on an unnamed tributary of the North Fork Skykomish River about 13 miles upstream from Deer Falls.
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Hi AndrewEnns. Yes, that is correct. I deleted the file File:Chilko Lake.PNG on the grounds that it is a blatant copyright violation. Google Earth/Maps images are copyrighted content. Even though you took a screenshot and edited the images, that does not make them yours to release under a free license. As a rule of thumb, Google Earth images, especially when used to portray a specific geographic location are subject to on-spot deletion. Not only do they violate Google's own terms of use but also Wikipedia's non-free content criteria #1. If you wish to upload an image of Chilko Lake, I suggest you use a free image. Otherwise, you run the very real risk of having those images deleted. - FASTILY (TALK) 08:06, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
I can't take a screenshot of a location on Google Earth & post it on Wikipedia but NASA can?
What a load of fucking bullshit.
Note: This is not directed at the above editor, so don't get all offended by this. This is for whoever came up with this stupid ass rule.
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This might be a good starting point. Chillum (Need help? Ask me) 21:50, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
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Hi AndrewEnns, welcome to Wikipedia. I notice you've been editing for about a month and a half, and you're enthusiastically jumping in and doing great things. One of the things I felt uncertain about as a new editor was when to link and when not to, and it looks like you might be facing the same situation on occasion. The Manual of Style for linking is quite good for explaining appropriate linkages. For example in this edit you made to Chilliwack Lake, you linked teenagers, slough, drunk, and old growth forest (among others).
Another thing I noticed is that you removed a redlink in Cultus Lake (Oregon). This should only be done if you believe there is little chance of the Little Cultus article being written. Ever. Redlinks are generally okay. WP:REDLINKS explains in detail; a recent study found that redlinks drive the growth of Wikipedia.
Thanks for your efforts! — EncMstr ( talk) 07:34, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Given the above comment, and some other issues, I suggest that you may want to direct your edits to existing articles for some while, so that you have a chance to hear responses from other editors, and have discussions with them. Another, also useful alternative is to ask for a Wiki mentor. These editors are cheerful and helpful, and can get you jump-started into what can be some complex and baffling Wiki practices. That would be preferable to creating too many articles that you will later discern need considerable work.
One concern is that, perhaps in an effort to avoid copyright infringement (itself, very commendable), you are unintentionally changing the information so that it is no longer accurate. For example in Bear Lake (Washington) you write that it is 20 feet above Deer Lake, but the source you quoted says it drops 20 feet to a river, one that is either above or below Deer Lake. I.e., it Bear Lake cannot be 20 feet above Deer Lake. Another example is that you write "The lake is often frozen over", but the reference doesn't say this, it says that it is 90% frozen (during an unspecified period).
I'm not a mentor, but I am a professional editor...so that may be useful to you. Regards, Piano non troppo ( talk) 04:00, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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Hello AndrewEnns. I see you've been making a lot of stream articles for Washington and the Pacific Northwest. That's great! I've noticed that you've often made "See also" sections with many links to pages already linked to in the main text. That is not generally done (see WP:SEEALSO)--there are times when it makes sense, but with short articles there's no need. If the link is already in the main text there is no need to repeat the link under "See also". I've removed some of these links under "See also", but I've noted you've put some back. Really, it is just redundant if they are already in the main text just above.
Also, when making bullet lists as in "See also" lists, you only need to use one "*" per line. Using more than one (like ***Some link) created an unnecessary and confusing hierarchical list (see Help:List). That's all, just some friendly advice! Pfly ( talk) 07:44, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
AS you will see in your watchlist I amended Ashlu River to Ashlu Creek, which is the official name, and changed your designation of its range from Cascade Range to the correct Pacific Ranges. Please note the American usage "Cascade Range" for the Coast Mountains is not appropriate; the Cascades end at the Fraser River and do not proceed north of it (while the Cascade Volcanic Arc does, it's not the same thing). Skookum1 ( talk) 12:47, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I see you've been adding articles regarding waterfalls in Washington State and using my website(s) as sources, which is fine as long as you're citing the source. What I am a little miffed about though is that you are more or less paraphrasing what is said on my website (waterfallsnorthwest.com) - often in not so subtle fashion - and in cases such as the page for Little Mashel River Waterfalls, you seem to be taking the source material out of context when reworking the information to avoid copyright infringement, and not to sound like the Wikipolice, but I see this has been pointed out before in some of your contributions.
You're more than welcome to use my material as source information, but you need to write your articles in a way that keep the information original, accurate, relevant (going back to the Little Mashel River page, under the entry for the Lower Falls, this bit: "Caution should be used when using the trail to the falls’ base since it is overgrown, steep & muddy." isn't pertinent to information about the waterfall itself and should be left out because conditions such as these are to be expected around streams and waterfalls, its not necessarily unique to this particular waterfall and mostly Wikipedia doesn't serve as a field guide and as such conditional information shouldn't be included.
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Patrolling new pages, I once again found [1] an article where the citation you gave contradicts what you wrote in the article, and does not verify much of the rest of the text, which appears to be original research. (The waterfall height is given in the reference as 40 feet, yet you wrote 30 feet.)
Putting misinformation into Wikipedia reflects badly on it.
In the specific case of Ashlu Falls, what is the source of your information? Piano non troppo ( talk) 07:36, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
I just noticed that you reverted my edit to Canyon Falls without explanation. I gave my reasoning in my edit, and it is not appropriate to revert it without explanation. (Particularly since my edit would probably be considered correct.) Your edits as a whole do not appear to be constructive, are introducing factual errors into Wikipedia, and are potentially violating copyright. You have made no response to comments from several editors. I'm giving you a formal warning that if you continue in this fashion, it may be considered vandalism. Editors who repeatedly vandalize are blocked from editing. Please respond. Piano non troppo ( talk) 08:09, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
I just saw your question about putting pictures on Wikipedia at Talk:Ashlu Falls, so I decided to tell you how to post that image:
Good luck, themaee talk 00:35, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
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Just noticed your comment on my talk page: How to put the image? Well, there is a place in the infobox that says "image". Just copy the name of the image (ex: Example.jpg) into the blank space. This will produce the image. themaee talk 05:04, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
(All: I've copied material from my talk page from Bryanswan, AndrewEnns, and myself. AndrewEnns asked me to respond on this page -- which seems appropriate. There are various issues, and I had already added a short sentence apologizing for my use (or Wikipedia's use) of the word "vandalism". After thinking this through, I'm going to focus on copyright infringement and original research, which may be at the heart of the issues. (See below) Piano non troppo ( talk) 08:24, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
AndrewEnns —Preceding unsigned comment added by AndrewEnns ( talk • contribs) 05:48, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
AndrewEnns, the central issues here are that your type of edits waver between being copyright infringement and original research. The first is forbidden in Wikipedia in all circumstances, and the other is contrary to one of the three Wikipedia core values, see WP:OR.
Copyright infringement: Everything that a person writes is copyrighted (with exceptions that do not apply here). If I write a letter to my father, it's automatically copyrighted. If I write an article for my Web site, it's automatically copyrighted. The material that is on Bryan Swan's Web site is therefore, copyrighted -- Bryan Swan owns it. Wikipedia editors may quote *limited* sections of a copyrighted work, but if that quote runs to several hundred words OR it essentially copies an whole article, then it is copyright infringement.
Can Bryan Swan give away his rights to Wikipedia? Yes, he can, because he owns it. Can you AndrewEnns, or I copy *substantial* parts of his work into Wikipedia? No. It's irrelevant that he's "a good guy" and wants to share his knowledge. Unless he formally gives up ownership -- then he still owns it -- and Wikipedia cannot use it.
AndrewEnns: Generally though, you or I can *quote* small pieces. A sentence, a few numerical figures.
Bryan Swan: You need to be careful here, because once material is (legally) placed in Wikipedia, you no longer have personal control over it. You have the same legal right to change it as any other editor. (AndrewEnns and I, for example.)
Original research. This is the other half of this "rock and a hard place" situation. Wikipedia does not allow original research. That means that even if I see something happen with my own eyes, if another editor objects to it ... they can remove it, and there's not much I can do about it. This, in fact, happened to me when I was a new Wikipedia editor. Unfortunately, I am an expert in a couple fields. And so...Wikipedia still does not have that expert knowledge.
Here, your original research is problematic, AndrewEnns, because: 1) It sometimes contradicts the very references that you cite!, and 2) as Bryan Swan points out, what is written is sometimes "irrelevant and unverifiable information".
Your question, AndrewEnns is: "Well, why does Bryan Swan get to write anything he wants, including things that I don't agree with?" And you are partly right. Who is Bryan Swan? Who says his Web site is reliable? That's something we could argue about. BUT. Even if the Wikipedia community decides Bryan Swan's www.waterfallsnorthwest.com is not an acceptable reference -- it STILL would not allow you, AndrewEnns or me to write anything we wanted in Wikipedia! We would need, just as an example, a Web site that was better than Bryan Swan's. And...let's face it...his site is pretty darn good. He's been running it for 10 years, and as a professional editor, it appears to me to be of very high quality.
Now. If you and Bryan Swan want to have a discussion about the "real" height of a waterfall, that's a matter for the discussion page of the Wikipedia waterfall article. (Bryan Swan defines this rather carefully on his Web site, here: [6].
For me, the random Wikipedia editor, I want to know why one person says a waterfall is 10 feet taller than the other person does. If neither side can convince me...then...well...I might decide to delete all mention of the height. Better to say nothing, than have a fact that's in dispute.
AndrewEnns, if you have been to these lakes, there are a huge number of things you could contribute that Bryan Swan does not. He's not willing to give up rights to his professional photos...but you could take photos and give them into the public domain (I do this, myself.) Bryan Swan's expertise seems to be geology...there's little about plant or animal life. Seems as though that could be invaluable to Wikipedia articles, especially since these waterfalls are liable to have mini-ecological niches.
Regards all, Piano non troppo ( talk) 08:24, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Andrew, I would agree with you that the tidbit about the murder should be considered relevant information, but if other editors feel its questionable material, you should probably pose a question on the article's Discussion page addressing the issue rather than going back and forth with others edits. My big concerns with your articles are the facts that you waver from generalization to summarization to speculation and back again, and that you seem to include almost as much irrelevant information as you do relevant. As I've said on a couple articles I've revised, you're more than welcome to cite my websites as sources and summarize - in your own words - what I'm getting across, but paraphrasing what I've said as I've seen on several of the articles you (and others for that matter) have written isn't acceptable, and as Piano non troppo pointed out, all the content on my website is copyrighted and is denoted as such at the bottom of every page.
Further, when you add in things like this: Getting down to the base of the falls as well as the brink is easily possible, but extreme caution should be used since the rocks are very slippery, especially in high water, and many people have died due to them not being careful enough around the lip of the falls. [7], you're addressing more than the specifics which the article should be addressing and stretching the concept from that of Encyclopedia to Guide Book, which this is not. There really shouldn't be any references referring to accessibility, statements regarding the perceived grandeur (or lack thereof), or anything that can't be proven factual because of a basis of speculation, subjectivity and personal experience.
As far as Ashlu Falls goes, no I haven't been there in person. I tried once but couldn't get my car up the hill without my tires spinning out (bad tread) and I didn't know how far of a walk it was and didn't have time to investigate. The 40 foot figure I have displayed on my site is an old estimate I got from kayakers before the creek was frequently paddled and I haven't updated that data in years (deliberately, because its being moved to a different format and a different site), so you could very well be right about it being closer to 30 feet, but again as PNT stated, you're not supposed to use this site as an outlet for your personal data. I have lots of data which I can't prove but suspect to be accurate that I won't add to Wikipedia articles exactly for that reason.
Hope that clears up any questions.
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Hi Andrew Enns! Since I have been interested to articles on streams in the PNW for some time I've noticed your work so far. And now I've seen some people pointing out issues with your editing as well as your frustration about some of the comments. I'd just like to say that I think these people are trying to help you get a sense of how Wikipedia tends to operate these days. Whether they've been completely welcoming or not is another issue. But from personal experience I can attest to there being a rather steep learning curve on the etiquette of being a Wikipedia editor. It certainly took me a while to get the hang of it, to figure out the accepted methods of citations, style, interpersonal dialogue, etc (it took me over a year to figure out how to do citations "right"). I think you are doing fine! Hopefully your frustration won't drive you away. It takes time to get into the swing of all this. I think you are doing good work. It could be better in accord with general Wikipedian standards--but it takes time to figure that stuff out. It looks like you are trying though, so I thought I'd post this saying you are on the right track. I noted the above comments about 30 vs 40 feet for Ashlu Falls. It may be you are right in your personal observations, but a fundamental pillar of Wikipedia is Wikipedia:Verifiability, which means information must come from reliable sources and not personal experience. It may be that all reliable sources are wrong and one's personal experience is right--and sometimes that happens. Still it is important for an encyclopedia like this is reference its statements to other sources. In short Wikipedia is a collection of already published information, not a a collection of new information collected by personal observation, whether or not one's personal observation is superior. I know this can sometimes be a pain, but that's the way it is. There are ways to point out where "reliable sources" may be incorrect. ...Anyway, sorry to harp on that--I am glad you are here and adding content. I'm glad you have been responding to talk page questions. --It's all good! Ride out this bit of turbulence and you'll find working here a great deal of fun, really! In short, welcome to Wikipedia! ...it gets better, really. Pfly ( talk) 04:40, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
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Hi Andrew; thanks for all your work on BC rivers. I thought maybe you might be interested in trying to find a book called Water Powers of British Columbia, published by the Water Rights Branch in the 1950s or c.1960; I used to have a copy, it was my father's (he was with Hydro) but I gave it away to another researcher. It has flow-rate details and head and suchlike on nearly all major streams in the province. Some libraries may have it or it may be available through interlibrary loan or in a used bookshop somewhere. Skookum1 ( talk) 17:03, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Bishop Falls is certainly not the tallest falls in Canada, but it is one of the major "tall" waterfalls in the country. The height I mentioned in the talk page is an estimate based on Topo maps and Google Earth, but it can't be thought of as definitive in any way. It could be off by as much as 200-300 feet, maybe even a bit more. Bare minimum its about 1300 feet tall, but based on the very few pictures I've seen of it and the terrain rendering on GE, I'd estimate it to be closer to 1600 feet. If you write an article about it, be careful how you word it so as to indicate that it hasn't (to my knowledge) been measured and be sure to omit any conjecture on my or your part since it can't be confirmed. Coordinates are 58.6752571, -133.453415.
As far as the WWD not having been updated in several years, we're working on a new version of the site which will greatly expand the breadth of coverage and I hope to have it online by early this summer. I've already got an entry for Bishop in the new data ready to go when the site goes live.
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Bryan Swan | World Waterfall Database ( talk) 21:29, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Andrew. Is your block situation sorted out now? As Steve explained, your account has never been blocked, but it sounds like you might be using an IP address or range that I have previously blocked anonymous editing from. This would mean that you aren't able to edit from it anonymously (ie logged out) but that you can sign into your account and edit from that. If this is the case, you will be fine to edit and won't even see the block notice as long as you remember to log in. If you want me to look into it further, you can send an email to unblock-en-l@lists.wikimedia.org with the details of the block (particularly the IP address) and either myself or another admin will have a look at it for you and see if the block can be removed now. Cheers, Sarah 03:40, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Well this has been my day so far: I woke up at 3 in the morning with a sore throat & a cough. I consistantly had to make trips from that point on to the sink to get water to appease my sore throat temporarily. I wasn't able to get back to sleep for the rest of the night & then, when I finally went downstairs & onto my computer, the Internet was down. Great way to start a day!
I gradually felt worse & worse as the day went along until I felt at about 3 that my head was going to explode due to increasing heaviness in it as well as a very uncooperative nose. At the moment I am feeling a little better but I won't keep my hopes up.
Sadly, this is pretty common for me each spring. Each spring, allergies bother may & give me colds. Oddly, just yesterday I was thinking that this might be the year where I avoided it all. Not the case!
AndrewEnns ( talk) 02:23, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! Pfly ( talk) 04:24, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Tommorow I will be heading up to Mount Baker. I don't know how far I will get but I suspect I will get all the way to the top however I suspect up there at 4000 feet there will be snow covering everything but the road. I will take lots of pictures, some of which I plan on putting on Wikipedia. I also like taking videos as well. Anyhow, I'm really excited about tomorrow & I can't wait for it to start! AndrewEnns ( talk) 01:15, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
While I was puttering around on the bridge over the river above Nooksack Falls, I found the craziest thing. I looked down & saw a pair of headphones sitting on the bridge. I couldn't believe my eyes! I picked them up & plugged them into my ipod (which I happened to have with me) & I got the best base I've ever gotten on any pair of headphones. I felt like I had surround sound in my headphones & when I listened to Thunderstruck by AC/DC I felt like I was at a concert but then I looked forward & realized I wasn't. They really are awesome headphones! And of all places to find them eh? AndrewEnns ( talk) 05:31, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
The photo is not really mine. I transferred it from Flickr (some of their pictures are under sufficiently free licenses). Here are some other shots:
You may try to use this tool, and then upload the images using this bot. Colchicum ( talk) 08:43, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Have you been to Nairn, Andrew? I'm very familiar with it, and am not sure that "cascade" is apt though maybe I should check that definition, if there is one. It's very much a double falls, with a short canyon/cauldron connecting them (with a real interesting submerged arch, when water's low anyway). Not sure if a "double falls" is the same as a "cascade", which would strike me more as a series of small falls, not two big ones. Skookum1 ( talk) 14:50, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
See Title! AndrewEnns ( talk) 04:11, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
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Here are several photos I took while I was up at Baker. Most of them are of waterfalls since I'm into waterfalls. AndrewEnns ( talk) 05:54, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
The Salmon River is at the head of the Salmon Arm, SW of the city of Salmon Arm; the Anstey River is at the head of Anstey Arm. Skookum1 ( talk) 13:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello Bryan
I'm currently working on & creating articles for the Mount Robson Provincial Park/ Upper Fraser River area. Right now, I want to make a stub for Toboggan Falls in the Berg Lake area. The reason I'm doing this is that Toboggan Falls is a very interesting feature; it is a long slide down a long, sloping face of limestone. I've done some research about it & while I have learned a lot about what the falls look like & the type of rock they flow over, ect. I can't find anything about their height. Looking at Google Earth, I'd say they are probably about 200 feet high however, Google Earth isn't the answer to everything regarding waterfalls. Do you know anything more about them (I'm mainly asking for the height & any other information you have on it)? Your entry on it on your site doesn't really say a lot but I'm hoping you might have some information about it that is not in your site. Now I could just make a stub with the information that I have, but I don't think anyone wants a waterfall article on Wikipedia without at least an approximate height, so I'd like to hear what you have to say about it before I possibly jump the gun here.
By the way, do you like some of the photos of Nooksack Falls that I took? As you can also see, I got one of a portion of the falls below the Bagley Lakes as well. As you can see in the picture, there was far too much snow to go have a closer look but ever since I saw that you had put in a waterfall entry for a falls on Bagley creek just below the lakes I've been wanting to go to Heather Meadows & go see for myself. There is for sure a big falls here, I'd say we are probably talking about a 200 foot cascade here. The photo, by the way, was taken about 100 feet above the brink of the falls; just off the Bagley Lakes Parking Lot.
I also checked out the Lower Falls on Bagley Creek. Aaronswaterfallworld, a site that normally gives very detailed, accurate information & directions for all the falls they visit, gypped me on this one. Its impossible (unless you will climb through thorn bushes to see a waterfall like me) to get a good view of it. And the thing is, other than the view from the creek that one has to climb through thorn bushes to get to, there is no other view of it. They should have mentioned all of the above; I didn't get my money's worth at Bagley Creek's Lower Falls!
By the way, both Bagley & Galena Creeks were going insane when I was up there on the 30th of May. Bagely Creek was almost river sized (below its Lower Falls, I could have actually pulled me downstream & I probably would not have been able to get out of it, it was that high) & Galena Creek was going completely beserk & lets just say it was not the little mountain brook it is usually recognized as!
Cheers
AndrewEnns ( talk) 06:11, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Bryan Swan | World Waterfall Database ( talk) 21:29, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I just wanted to let you know that this article has been proposed for deletion, by me. I am familiar with Arctomys Creek and I am quite sure that there is no significant waterfall on it. I had a look at your source website, and found that page to be conjecture more than fact. No offense, just trying to make wikipedia a better place. Ian mckenzie ( talk) 23:56, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that you were creating a bunch of talk pages which all say that the article is "stub" and "low importance", but I think you could actually change that around a little bit. Given Arctomys Cave, wouldn't it be at least mid importance (for WikiProject Canada) if it is Canada's deepest measured cave? Shannon1 talk contribs 04:04, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Alright, I see what you are getting at. Thanks for the advice!
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Hi Andrew, I know you are wondering why I removed the info box for Arctomys Cave. Many of our caving wikipedians, particularly from the United States, are reluctant about providing cave locations for safety and conservation reasons, which is why similar info does not appear on other cave pages. I won't remove it again, but don't be surprised if someone else does. Perhaps you'll consider removing it yourself; up to you though. Ian mckenzie ( talk) 17:12, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Well, I was just going to write to your talk page about it but you beat me to the topic. Yes, I was wondering why you removed the geobox so thank you for answering. So the reason is they don't want random people trying to go up there & then getting themselves hurt; is that what you are saying?
My other question is why you removed 2 perfectly good references; the BCGNIS page & the other reference I had in there (Place Names in the Canadian Rockies)? I saw that you put in better references but I didn't understand why you took out perfectly good ones I put on there. Most locations in BC have a BCGNIS page on them & when they are on Wikipedia a good refernce is a BCGNIS page. I don't know if this is obvious to you since you are from Alberta, but I'm telling this to you now so you know (if you do already, I apoligize for pointing out the obvious).
Cheers
AndrewEnns ( talk) 17:23, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I found mention of it in mining reports on the Thutade Lake region and found it in BCGNIS, along with the 180 ft height (mapped by Arrowsmith a long time ago). Back there with cites for the mine and hydro proposal info.... Skookum1 ( talk) 22:06, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
You're gonna want this and this. I think the first one focuses on the Fraser basin, the other one is province wide, publ. dates 1931 and 1938 respectively. See this entry at the BC Ministry of Forests Library website. Skookum1 ( talk) 22:11, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I have added geotags to photos on Flickr, back when that was the only way to locate them. Later I used the "map" feature, where you can just drag and drop photos to locations. I don't think this causes them to appear in Google Earth though. I know there are more ways to geotag photos, perhaps some causing the photos to appear in Google Earth (and/or Google Maps), but I have not taken the time to figure it out. Let me know if you figure it out--I would enjoy seeing my photos there. I still get a little thrill when seeing a Wikipedia icon/page in Google Earth/Maps that I created. And, I don't find anything odd about you putting photos on your talk page--some nice ones there! If you cared to separate the photos from the talk you could make a subpage. You just make a link on your page (I use my home page, User:Pfly rather than my talk page) that looks like [[/Some page name]] and save the page. The link will be red, if you click on it you can make a new page--a subpage of your user page. Useful! Sorry if this is something you already knew about. You can see my little collection of subpages at User:Pfly#Other. I use them mostly for random bits of info and half-written pages and what not. Pfly ( talk) 07:05, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
On June 13th of 2009, I went on a little outing to Hicks Lake in Sasquatch Provincial Park. I had some fun up there. It was sunny when I left however, in accordance to Murphy's Law, it got overcast AS SOON as I got there. I still went for a swim though & I found out the water was niether warm or cold. There were a lot of teenagers up there with lots of booz, however, the summer crowds have not arrived yet so it is fine.
I also took my kayak out to the 2 small islands out in the middle of the lake. Aside from the image of the Chevron Station (which I took as I was waiting at the intersection beside it while making my way through Chilliwack), all my photos were taken either from the kayak or from the islands.
I checked out em' both & while both are interesting I think the general opinion amongst everyone on which one is better is quite one sided toward the southern island. The northern is very rocky & difficult to get around; the southern one is bigger, more open & even has a small beach which is why people usually opt to go hang out on the southern one. The best picture I have, mind you, is from the rocks on the northern island.
I've wondered this sometimes: Does anyone ever check out Moss Lake, which is just east of Hicks & is a full 1076 feet above Hicks. There is apparently a trail that goes up there & supposedy there are some big fish in what looks like more of a swamp than a lake. Probably tons of algae &... moss!
Here are some of the pictures I took while I was up there:
Hi Andrew; I just updated the Davis Lake Park article and added mention of McDonald Falls and its BCGNIS; wanted to suggest you trip out there and check it out, it's slender and flanked by rainforest so not viewable from a distance but the trail from the road down the lake is neat (though steep)....not sure of its height. I could have made it just a redirect to the Davis Lake Park article but thought it best to be stand-alone for now; if you can find any data on it, somewhere. Also there is, so far as I know, a big waterfall on Cascade Creek; I'll see if the FVRD has a page on Cascade Falls Regional Park, which is just SE of Davis and the road crosses Cascade Creek to get to Davis Lake; the lower walk-in to Davis is to the left after crossing Cascade Creek, signage is poor; I've always gotten there by going to the top of McDonald Falls and walking down...it's worth the walk, especially if you camp overnight or get down early enough to have morning or early afternoon sunlight on Robie Reid, which looms up REAL high over the lake (it's only about 8 miles away at this point).....and by the way, it's uncool and against hte rules to use talkpage and userpages as image galleries and travel blogs; if you want to have images here use [[:File:Filename.jpg]] or [[:Image:Filename.jpg]]. I'm not trying to bite your head off about it, but some admin might.... Skookum1 ( talk) 19:09, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Yo; I just noticed the delete on your Shingle Creek picture; even though you've put source:I took this myself the licnese to use is {{pd-self}}, which releases it into the public domain . Just do that with all of them and they'll be fine, no more warnings....if it's a BC ARchives or other govt image, has to be minimum 50 years old, use {{pd-Canada50}}....I think that's right, if not check one of the images on, say, Steamoats of the Upper Fraser River and Steamboats of the Skeena River and see what's used there.... Skookum1 ( talk) 00:05, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
I just saw your additions to the infobox for Thompson River....you've got the left/right concept backwards, Andrew. It's not left/right on the map, it's left/right according to the downward flow of the river, i.e. what comes in from the right, what comes in from the left. The Tranquille, Deadman and Bonaparte are right tributaries, the Nicola is a left tributary. Also see Talk:Deadman's Island (Vancouver) re Deadman River/Deadman's River; I made that article, following BCGNIS's official usage; I know locally people say "Deadman's River" and maybe "we" should look at web materials as to how much "Deadman's River" (also "Deadman's Creek") gets used, ie. in local planning documents, news copy, MoF, EMR/MINFILE reports etc.... Skookum1 ( talk) 14:13, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
You had indicated on my Talk page that you'd like to contact me directly. If you turn on your email in your Preferences, then you can email me directly from the toolbox to the left of my Talk page, as the Contact This User will then be enabled. Afterwards to can revert your preferences if you don't want anyone else to email you. Ian mckenzie ( talk) 17:16, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
I think I, like most, was caught totally off guard when Michael Jackson died. I'm not a Jackson fan, but I was shocked when I heard about his death. Obviously, when a guy that famous dies, it is going to get a lot of attention. I have to say I never quite knew how to think of Jackson; he was a very talented guy but he also was totally mixed up inside. He was the first person to make a music video for his songs, which is now something that pretty much all bands do now. It's not like he didn't earn his fame; he did a lot of other amazing things many people wish they could match. But he was also very mixed up... in many ways. Some people will remember him for all his music & great accomplishments & others will remember him for all his controversies. There is for sure a lot of mixed feelings toward him & his death out there right now.
I found out about it in a rather odd way. In my basement, I have an old TV that has the inside of the box that you attach the cable that brings service into your TV to ripped out. However, I found a way to get service if I touched the end of the connecter cable to a little spot inside the box which is pretty much hollow; someone probably thought the connecter cable came out like a regular plug so they pulled it & not only took out the cable but also the inside of the little box where the cable connects to. Anyhow, I was fiddling around with the cable trying to get it to stay in one spot while it was touching the little spot. As I would fiddle around with the cable trying to get it to stop moving around I would look at the screen to see how good the quality of the picture was. It was then that I saw the words Michael Jackson Dead on the bottom of the screen, which was showing Channel 51, a news channel where I live. I remember going "What" before listening intently to what the person on the show had to say. At that point, there were huge crowds in front of the hospital he was announced dead in & the hospital staff was having a hard time keeping people away! I guess that shows you how important the death of a guy like Michael Jackson is to people these days.
RIP
AndrewEnns ( talk) 22:27, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Andrew, disambiguation pages are not supposed to have references, and should only have one primary link on each line, and those coordinates will be deleted by an admin or a WP:Disambiguation editor when this page is finally patrolled. Also the original entries were taken directly from the results of a search for "Mud Lake' in BCGNIS, so while you may think that they don't exist at those lccations, the primary reference does. The Mud Lakes "north of Carpenter Lake" I'll be making an article for as it's a primary regional prominence col (for Red Mountain (Camelsfoot), though because the latter doesn't have an article I haven't bothered yet; see my updates to Churn Creek from last night. And also, would you please not use your talkpage as a photo gallery? It's not what talkpages are for, and unless those photos are used in articles they're going to wind up deleted anyway; it makes it real awkward looking for the "edit" links on sections they affect teh placement of; I had to start at the top of the page; no biggie because this is a new addition, but it's awkward for sections above. also while I appreciate your feelings about MJ, WP:Wikipedia is not a blog. Again, an admin may admonish you for this at some point....anything like that belongs, if anywher, on your userpage, not on a page meant to discuss articles and issues...don't mean to be harsh, there's just rules connected with wikipedia... Skookum1 ( talk) 16:22, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Once again, regarding the images thing, the pictures beside this section are the last I will be putting on this page. You told me I can't do that so I uploaded the last of the ones I wanted to upload & then made the decision to get an account on Flickr. The thing is I was halfway through uploading my photos from Hicks Lake when you told me I wasn't allowed so I thought I'd finish uploading the ones that still hadn't been uploaded & then change to Flickr.
As for making a page for the Mud Lakes north of Carpenter Lake I really don't see any reason to make an article for them; unless of course they have history behind them. They are pretty insignificant otherwise.
BTW, I'm leaving in a few hours to go to Hawaii for about a week so this is probably the last response you will get from me. See you in a week! AndrewEnns ( talk) 18:13, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
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Hi Andrew, did you get the coordinates for the list of crossings of the Thompson River from BCGNIS? I might start putting citations in right now )though I'm not sure what site BCGNIS is so I will have to look) but if you could help put a few in, that would be helpful. Shannon1 talk contribs 17:57, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
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Hello Skookum! How was your trip? Did you enjoy yourself?
Anyhow, I just wanted to hear your opinion on my idea of getting the Similkameen Falls page removed from Wikipedia. Like I said in the above sub-section, the falls are nothing more than a series of rapids, which is why I don't think Wikipedia needs an article on them. What is your take on this?
By the way, I'll be gone for about an hour & a half doing some tubing down a river so leave your reply & I will get to it as soon as I can. AndrewEnns ( talk) 21:02, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
I think this type of thing is exactly what Katr67 was trying to prevent when she asked you not to post again. Please remember to be civil, and no personal attacks. Thanks, Little Mountain 5 22:48, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Regardless of whether or not you think the article to be written in a neutral point of view, the fact is that you went there and made your own observations (not a bad thing to do) and are reporting it as such on a website that revolves around the premise of information being verifiable via a third party. As far as what you saw, I've never seen pictures of [Similkameen Falls] (yours aside) nor have I been there, so I can't say whether you found the right spot or not, or whether your observations are accurate. I have a hard time believing that the feature you found is the actual falls because generally waterfalls in BC which are named and registered with the BCGNIS are notable at least in that there is an identifiable vertical drop of some sort. Dropping 25 feet in a 1200 foot run most certainly does not qualify in my mind. Also, dunno whether you added the bit pointing out that Coyote Falls in WA is also known as Similkameen Falls, but its not that its "incorrectly known" as that, but that its an alternate name. Enloe Falls is actually the proper name of that feature.
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Hello AndrewEnns, The Fraser River source coordinates appeared on a list of out-of-range coordinates, having given a 188 degrees West coordinate. I reviewed the article's talk page discussion, then the article history. The 188 degrees value appeared to be a typographic error at first. I substituted 52 31 36 N 118 53 59 W, as given by your revision as of 2009-06-04T22:14:43; however, that put the cursor into the next valley west, into the Canoe Reach. So I decided to use the 52 31.1 N 118 19.0 W coordinates from your just-previous revision as of 2009-06-04T22:06:08. It's not clear to me whether I've used the coordinates you intended to be the correct ones. If you have time, please take a look at the Fraser River source coordinates. BrainMarble ( talk) 01:58, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
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Andrew, the thing with templates is you can't just unilaterally remove them; the listing at CSD will not be changed even if the template is gone from the page.....please go to Wikipedia:Media Copyright Questions and ask what you're doing wrong with the licensing tags. From what I can see they look fine, though maybe you're inputting things like "this image is my own work" manually instead of letting the license-drawbar or template ({{ pd-self}}) do the job......all your images are legitimate, I know that, but there's some kind of "hitch" in the way you've been licensing them that's getting all this attention. Just ask and find out what's wrong....things have to be done a certain way, it's to protect wikipedia from any copyright infringements; this isn't just a website; stuff goes into a print and CD for-sale version and is repeated in not-free "clone" sites which make money; so copyright image, or any image that there's any question of copyright infringement, has to be removed; just prove that's not the case, and learn to use the tags properly. It has to be done that way. Skookum1 ( talk) 14:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Hello. Judging by the amount of edits you have logged & what your user page says, you are a Wikipedia expert. Then again, when you have the tenth most edits here, you generally are.
Now on your user page you say you do a lot of fixing links that don't go to their intended target. If that is the case could you do me a big favor? Could you go onto List of waterfalls in Canada & clean up A LOT of the links there? A good portion of them are blue but they don't go to the proper page they are supposed to take you to. An example of this would be the one for Crooked Falls. On the page, the link is simply Crooked Falls & it takes you to a page about one of the falls on the Missouri River in Montana. However, the intended target is the page about a waterfall near Squamish, British Columbia. The page does not exist for that specific waterfall but that is not the issue. Actually, when you change a lot of the links on that page, they will turn red. There is nothing wrong with that as it just means that page has not been made yet.
Whoever made that page just got lazy with the links I think. Take one look at that page & you will realize it is in need of some SERIOUS work. It needs every bit of attention it can get & I hope to do what I can for it but I can only do so much. If you could fix those links that would be great. Cheers AndrewEnns ( talk) 17:21, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
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Hi. Not a big deal, but in the future, please avoid editing other editors' comments. It's generally considered poor form. Regards, – Juliancolton | Talk 05:28, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I did some more work on the article. I went ahead and sorted a good chunk of the list. I tried to do the entire list but made one mistake which messed things up so I had to revert a couple of steps. I'll get back to working on it in a couple of days. They aren't sorted in alphabetical order yet but I've got some under the provinces. -- User:Woohookitty Diamming fool! 12:06, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
Talk pages exist to discuss their associated article, not as a forum to discuss the article's topic in general or a soapbox to declare one's personal beliefs about the subject matter. Comments like this [9] are unproductive and inappropriate, as is repeating them [10] after they're removed for irrelevancy to improving the article. It looks like you're a pretty productive editor in general, so I'm going to chalk this lapse up to a bad day. You might want to review Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines, however, to refresh yourself on proper talk page use and etiquette. -- Icarus ( Hi!) 17:58, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Andrew! I've been working on an article you created yesterday, Rock Creek Canyon Bridge. Great start! I hope you don't mind, but I've nominated it at Did you know, see here. If you can think of a better hook that can be sourced, please add it as an alternative! I'm afraid the current option is a little boring, but I couldn't think of anything else, ;-) Maedin\ talk 22:47, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
You have been blocked for 31 hours for your personal attacks such as the one made in this edit. Please rethink your approach here, and return with a more positive attitude in the future. — Ched : ? 07:27, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Wikiproject: Did you know? 05:14, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Since you in the same sentence seem to be defending you calling a Wikipedian a "fag", and somehow don't realize how incredibly offensive and bigoted that is, and insist on continuing to engage in insults like "jerk", "retarded" and "crybabies" I have blocked you again for personal attacks. Defending calling a user "fag" by saying that your words "had truth behind them" is basically a repeat of the same attack.
Please understand that name calling is not welcome here and will continue to result in blocks of increasing length. You need to keep your opinions about Wikipedian's intelligence and sexual preferences to yourself while you edit Wikipedia. Chillum 13:32, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
No, I do not understand this modern usage you speak of, you need to be aware of how you are coming off to other people who may not share your usage of this term. Calling someone "idiot" is not much better. You are allowed to defend other users in a reasonable way, but when you defend our users by attacking another(such as engaging in personal attacks) blocks are forthcoming. I really have not much awareness or interest in the surrounding issues, none of it gives license to act abusively to another Wikipedian. Chillum 16:16, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps you are not reading what I am saying to you, calling people "idiots", "jerks", "retarded", "crybabies", and "fag"(regardless of your meaning) is against the standards the community want enforced. They key issue here is not what "fag" means, it is the fact that you are attacking other editors with abusive language(and I don't mean bad words I mean abusive intent). I can think of alternate meanings for all sorts of nasty words but that does not mean they can be used in insults with impunity. This is not a misunderstanding Andrew. Chillum 16:36, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Correction Ched, it was meant to be an insult, he apparently meant it as "idiot". I think his point is that he meant it to be interpreted as a different type of insult. Chillum 16:55, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Please remember to assume good faith. Your recent reversion of this edit was defensible on stylistic grounds, but speaking as a third party, the fact that you called it vandalism was absolutely unwarranted.— Notyourbroom ( talk) 16:16, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Thank you to the people who supported me during that BS 7-day block. Pfly, thanks for willingly explaining things to me & Shannon, thank you for sticking up for me. Skookum also, thank you for telling it like it is; most admins are arrogant & full of themselves & just block whoever they disagree with. I think my block was a prime example of an admin assuming he knows what he's doing but doesn't. It was assumed that I was trying to re-phrase my original statement by the admin so he blocked me without separating facts from assumptions & simple biases.
Thanks to all who helped me through the block. As for the people who caused it, you should, to say the least, re-think your ways. AndrewEnns ( talk) 23:32, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I just felt like changing my name for a while & seeing how I liked it. If I don't I will change it back. Cheers to all AndrewEnns ( talk) 05:23, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
Did you mean to move the userpage to the article space? You moved it to OvechkinownsCrosby instead of User: whatever. -- User:Woohookitty Diamming fool! 06:51, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi - you can't change your name by moving your user pages, especially to a name which is in mainspace. To change your username, you need to go to WP:CHU. Black Kite 08:48, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
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I have added your Boundary Falls image to commons. Could you have a look at it here and let me know whether I got the location tag right? The google maps link shows where I thought your camera location was and the direction you would have been pointing the camera but it is only right if the coords in the Boundary Falls (British Columbia) article are right on because I can't make out the falls themselves in the satellite images. Good image by the way! -- KenWalker | Talk 04:39, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
I removed the picture because it isn't Deer Falls, its one I refer to as Vimy Falls on an unnamed tributary of the North Fork Skykomish River about 13 miles upstream from Deer Falls.
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Hi AndrewEnns. Yes, that is correct. I deleted the file File:Chilko Lake.PNG on the grounds that it is a blatant copyright violation. Google Earth/Maps images are copyrighted content. Even though you took a screenshot and edited the images, that does not make them yours to release under a free license. As a rule of thumb, Google Earth images, especially when used to portray a specific geographic location are subject to on-spot deletion. Not only do they violate Google's own terms of use but also Wikipedia's non-free content criteria #1. If you wish to upload an image of Chilko Lake, I suggest you use a free image. Otherwise, you run the very real risk of having those images deleted. - FASTILY (TALK) 08:06, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
I can't take a screenshot of a location on Google Earth & post it on Wikipedia but NASA can?
What a load of fucking bullshit.
Note: This is not directed at the above editor, so don't get all offended by this. This is for whoever came up with this stupid ass rule.
AndrewEnns ( talk) 18:37, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
This might be a good starting point. Chillum (Need help? Ask me) 21:50, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
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