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Hi - I decided to post a reply here to this discussion in AfD.
I am no authority on this, but here goes: the same Wikipedia standards certainly should apply across the board. "Whose standards"? First of all, your own (what you choose to contribute), and then, everybody else's plus your own (how the article is further edited/discussed/and so on, by you and everybody else on Wikipedia).
If an article ends up in AfD (Articles for Deletion), like Bangladesh Booty, it's because a user has decided it may contravene Wikipedia policies, and so it may require deletion. As you will have seen, lots of inappropriate articles are added to Wikipedia every day. It is not always a bad thing to be in AfD, as long as the problem can be fixed. In AfD, this process takes over (the discussion of the articles, as you have seen).
The article will stay in AfD for five days before an administrator assesses the consensus (it isn't a straight vote, it is an assessment that takes account of all the opinions expressed) and then takes action. The exception is a Speedy Keep/Delete, which doesn't take five days - but Booty has not been recommended for Speedy Delete, so it's OK.
If you want to know more about how an admin decides on consensus, you'll need to get an admin to describe their job to you, because I am not an admin, and I do not know exactly what they do either. But admins are the ones who finally "decide" whether to keep/delete articles in AfD. (They also sign the articles in AfD when kept/deleted, and so you can easily find an admin by clicking their usernames in AfD and leaving a question on their talk page - any of them will be able to answer your questions.)
Anyway - Booty is in AfD because someone decided it seemed to be an unnotable film and there was no evidence that it was notable.
To make this film verifiably notable, you must describe what is notable about it in the article - what separates it from the hundreds of other films released every week. As you have said (and I personally believe it is true), this film is somewhat notable. I am not saying it is definitely notable enough to avoid deletion, but it has a chance.
Now, the trouble is, you cannot simply state in the article "it's notable because of X and Y and Z" - you must also back up statement X with at least one quote from a verifiable source - a reputable book, or a newspaper, or a media source, etc. - but not a blog, a forum or unknown website. Bangladeshi sources are fine, so long as they are trustworthy ones. The quote will show the reader that X has also been said by someone notable. This makes X something the reader can trust. And you must back up Y, Z and so on the same way.
This is the approach Wikipedia wants, because Wikipedia does not allow original research. Original research includes people saying "X and Y and Z" in an article without any evidence to back it up. Not good, because it means people could just make up anything they liked.
So, if you can find some media sources and quotes to put into the article that back up your claims about the film - first, that the situation for Bangladeshi women in general is how you state it, second, that Bangladeshi film actresses are not treated favourably, and third, that public and/or critical reaction in Bangladesh to Booty was positive, the way you describe it in the article, then that would be very good news. You don't need to create a perfect article. No one is expecting that. You just need to show that what you say has also been said at least once somewhere by someone notable. That's all. If you do that, I think you will get a few Keeps in AfD.
If you have these sources already, but do not know how to insert them into the article, I can help with that. But sadly I cannot help with finding the sources myself. I have looked online, and I couldn't find any. But if you need help with editing them into the article, reply on the article discussion page, and I will do what I can. I am watching the article, so I will see if you post there. BTW, it's better to post there about editing the article than in AfD, because it annoys the admins to post too much discussion in AfD, and the discussion is now too long. But you can still post questions about the deletion process etc. in AfD, of course.
Finally, again re "whose standards" - it is obviously going to be harder to make a porn film seem "notable", compared to the average Christina Aguilera album, because Aguilera is already a verified notable star, whereas the average porn star - which includes Jazmin, because we have no verifiable information about her on Wikipedia - isn't. But that shouldn't discourage you from trying.
If you find the sources in the next day or two, I think the article has a chance of survival. Good luck. -- DaveG12345 07:12, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
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AfD discussion • User talk:Yamla • User talk:Mwhorn [1] • User talk:Snugspout • User talk:Bwithh |
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User talk:Yamla 01 • User talk:Yamla 02 |
I offer my sincere apologies for not getting back to you regarding the pictures. I have been dealing with a number of personal issues which have been taking most of my time and energy. As you can see from my talk page, I'm on a semi-Wikibreak right now. Please understand that it was nothing personal (though I can understand why you may have believed it to be) and I hope to find a moment to answer your well-presented questions. In the meanwhile, I am quite happy to let the pictures stand and I apologise also for not acting quickly enough to prevent their initial removal. I hope you have no hard feelings. I certainly harbour no hard feelings toward you. -- Yamla 15:12, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
This image ( Image:Riya Style1.jpg) is marked for deletion. It's a film screenshot and is not being used to provide critical commentary on the film. Additionally, it is a copyrighted image and so fails WP:FUC's first criteria. Only freely-licensed images may be used to depict living people. Also, you need to provide a hand-written fair-use rationale for any use of a copyrighted image on the Wikipedia, though in this case it is irrelevant as it is being used to depict a living person, thus will always fail WP:FUC. Note that WP:FUC's wording has changed recently. What used to be accepted no longer is. -- Yamla 00:34, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Images which are replaceable (as per WP:FUC) are not permitted to be used until replaced. -- Yamla 18:30, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
You said: "Hey dude, I have added a fair use rationale for the biopic on the article Riya Sen. Please take a look at it. And, oh, since I have removed the deletion tage from the image as advised on the tags (i.e. the tags mat be removed if provided with a fair use rational), I also have removed the line from the article page that says the image is scheduled for deletion. I also have changed the licensing information from screenshot to fair use in Riya Sen and Style (film). I also have looked for another image to be used (yes, using google), and have done so. Well I admit that it didn't vary much, if any, in source and copyright status from the earlier one. But, I think before there is a replacable picture available it may stand. Please, check and advise."
(In response to your comments) They have not been noticed. There are in fact a large number of similar images currently in violation. It takes time to track them all down and tag them. WP:FUC was tightened up recently. It used to be permitted to use a fair-use (non-freely licensed) image to depict a living person (with appropriate rationale). This is no longer the case. As to what "replaceable" means, it really comes down to whether it would be reasonable for someone (not necessarily you) to create a free image. For example, you may not own a particular car but if this car is or was sold, someone else may and could take an image. You may not be able to take a free image of a living person but someone else certainly could. In both cases, the fair-use image is replaceable. -- Yamla 19:02, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
(In response to your comments) Why does 1 not apply? Is the person dead? If so, I apologise. But if the person is still alive, criteria 1 most definitely applies. "No free equivalent is available or could be created that would adequately give the same information. [...] However, if the subject of the photograph still exists, a freely-licensed photograph could be taken." If the person is still alive, the subject of the photograph still exists and a free equivalent "could be created that would adequately give the same information" (in this case, what the person looks like) simply by having someone take a picture of her, or having her agent release a promotional image under a free license. As to having the image replaced within the time, this follows from the current image violating WP:FUC so therefore, see the non-compliance section in WP:FUC. Images that fail WP:FUC must be deleted within 48 hours or 7 days, depending. -- Yamla 19:30, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
(In response to your comments) Yes, it does. "However, if the subject of the photograph still exists, a freely-licensed photograph could be taken." A living person is a subject of the photograph that still exists. A dead person would be a subject of a photograph that no longer exists. I agree that it is not spelled out explicitly but I assure you this is how it is meant to be understood. As to your other point, that you are not using the image merely to show what she looks like, I disagree. The image is in the page's infobox and thus is definitely showing only what she looks like. If it was not in the infobox but instead was attached to a paragraph discussing that particular movie and that paragraph made specific note of what the character looked like, then it would be an example of an image not being used solely to depict the person. As of now, though, it is not attached to any such paragraph and in fact the article makes only passing reference to that movie. -- Yamla 19:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Here's a cupcake. I appreciate that you have remained civil in your discussions with me while we have been hashing out areas of WP:FU that have driven lesser people to distraction. -- Yamla 19:59, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
(In response to your comments) I have not tried taking a picture of any celebrity, actually, but I have worked with some celebrities and non-celebrities to get a freely-licensed image for use on the Wikipedia. None of them were Bollywood actors or actresses, however. As to the infobox, these are used to provide basic information and to depict what the person looks like. If an image is to be used to provide critical commentary on a film, it needs to be attached to a paragraph providing that critical commentary. Often, an image which was attached to a paragraph and was fair-use there is moved up to the infobox but then must subsequently be removed for exactly this reason. Some of this stuff, unfortunately, is not explicitly spelled out. Other times, we try to spell something out (criteria #1 of WP:FUC) but people understandably read it differently than was intended. And then what about a situation where, say, the person is still alive but is in hiding? They still exist so a strict reading of #1 says we cannot use a fair-use image of them. But it's not reasonable to create a replacement. Now, try to write out a clear policy that will take all of these crazy situations into account, and you can see the problems. In the end, the only way to really go about things is with discussions like this, even though they take time. And thanks for noting the other image problems. I'll try to mark at least some of them when I have a moment.-- Yamla 20:41, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to butt into the conversation, but I think it is better to have a bad quality free-licensed image than to have a great-looking non-free image-under FU. If a person is alive, sooner or later, a photo will be available. An example is Sunil Gangopadhyay, whom I met last month during a programme, and the photos I took were uploaded to commons, to be used in various WPs. If there is no pic yet at commons, then perhaps it is better to have no pic at all. Many other ventures have gotten into trouble due to copyright problems, and we need to be extremely careful about that. My 2 cents. :) -- Ragib 22:23, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
You said: "It seems that the speed that you had in tagging Riya Sen's image I uploaded is not manifesting in addressing other images. Let me remind you of the images I posetd for you to take note:
Please, take a look, and let me know - why the image of Riya Sen from Style the movie was less of a fair use image than msot of these. Precedence is as good as law (even in the US, as far as I know), and these images set a very different precendence over the one that got the image in discussion deleted."
You said: "Thanks for the point. It stated exactly my sentiments. Thankfully I sought advice from an admin, before I did anything else. I guess, to remain on the fair side, I am going to mark pornstar images uploaded by Rglovejoy, they are mostly from Palyboy, a source that's pretty thick on copyrights. They have right to, considering the amount of infringement they face. Thanks again."
Hey Aditya. Glad to see your level of activity on WP. Regarding the points you made about the Riya Sen article, I removed the links to the languages, because its Wikipedia policy to wikilink a word only once in an article. Since the words Hindi and Malayalam appear earlier in the article, I don't wikilink them a second time. This prevents an excessive number of wikilinks, which would make reading the article difficult.
As for the picture, please feel free to replace the one I have with a better one. The only problem is that copyright rules are pretty stringent, so the best option is to get posters or screenshots, crop her head out, and lower the resolution so it satisfies the fair use laws. I decided on this one because this was a shot that was in keeping with her image, but if you find a better one, go ahead and upload it - just be sure to replace the old one rather than uploading a new one, otherwise there's a huge excess of unused pictures.
I also made a couple of changes to the external links you added - I redirected the link to the relevant section. Also, I removed one of the other two external links since they point to very similar articles. Another thing I did was to the page on the Ganguly brothers - a small point but very important. Please make sure that all titles and sub-headings use lowercase letters except for the first letter and proper nouns. Otherwise Wikipedia links get very confused. In fact, if you find a page with too many capital letters, please go ahead and change it. Gamesmaster G-9 16:53, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Village pump • Talk:Riya Sen • User talk:Gamesmasterg9 • Image talk:Riya promo.jpg • Image talk:Riya Book.png |
Thanks for uploading Image:Riya promo.jpg. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information. If you believe this image is not replaceable, please:
Alternatively, you can also choose to replace the fair use image by finding a freely licensed image of its subject, requesting that the copyright holder release this (or a similar) image under a free license, or by taking a picture of it yourself.
If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified how these images fully satisfy our fair use criteria. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on this link. Note that any fair use images which are replaceable by free-licensed alternatives will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Oden 16:11, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I just bundled them all together because they either all meet WP:MUSIC or all fail it. A bundled AfD is easier in this case.-- Isotope23 19:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
I am not on Wikipedia enough to do the changes. However, if you notice there are articles about band members from regional bands that are not really known world-wide. The examples are numerous. The question of how well-known is well-known enough for WP is a tough one ;-). I'd say let's go ahead and remove the stubs that have no information other than names and if someone has enough information (s)he can create an article. urnonav
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Deletion log 01 • Deletion log 02 • User talk:Urnonav • Talk:Artcell |
You removed the redirects in the Private Universities in Bangladesh substubs. I recommend you either write some content or put the redirects back, else someone will delete them speedily under CSD A3. — Quarl ( talk) 2006-12-15 19:58Z
Hello, perhaps you have this figured out by now, but we cannot have empty articles lying about. Articles that only contain templates (such as {{ Private Universities of Bangladesh}}) are considered empty and can be deleted on sight. And redirects are used so that if a person searches for a school, it goes to a list rather than saying we don't have an article on that. If you want to write articles on the individual schools, go ahead. Cheers, Fang Aili talk 18:54, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I notice that you were involved in the last deletion debate for this article. Have you seen this: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Playboy Playmates with D-cup or larger breasts. Interestingstuffadder 19:40, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm having trouble finding sources for it. Why don't you post it at WP:AWNB and see if they can help out and save it. Cause if he has "trained world-class athletes on four continents" then there must be stuff floating around that will help him pass the criteria. DXRAW 17:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the kind words on my
talk page. As you can see, the
Ian King article is no more. I think there is a philosophical debate going on between editors at Wiki...sort of Type A/Type B differences of opinion: Some believe, with enough culling and standards maintenance, Wiki will eventually become a 'capital -E'- Encyclopedic material, while others believe that Wiki's main claim to fame will always be that its articles are the first thing to come up in a search engine...so the articles have to be catchy and informative ( 'small-e'-encyclopedic material, if you will). I fall into the latter category, because most editors (in my observation) are too young, and the vast majority of editors are too inexperienced, to make Wiki anything else. I think Wiki does what it does really well, though...and that it's a great opportunity to put back into the WWW in a meaninful way. That said, I feel this article was sourced well enough for more conservative subject matter, but, because 'body-building' looks a bit tacky, these sources weren't deemed notable enough. I feel the article did, in fact, meet Wiki standards, but obviously never would have been included in Encyclopedia Britanica (which, I feel, is outside Wikipedia's scope.)
I'm sorry I didn't respond to your query and will do so now...I suspect this is a fundamental difference in opinion on how to interpret what appears to be purposefully broad guidelines provided by Wiki. Specifically, while I understand that you believe it is in a publisher's best interest to promote their authors, I do not agree it is in a publisher's best interest to falsify information about their authors, and in particular (since any book is a publisher's investment), it is not in any publisher's best interest to sign on an author that has made false claims about their background. I also disagreed that I had provided Amazon.com's assessment of the book as reference. The published work itself provides that information, it is an offline reference by nature, and the only online reference I had available was the amazon.com resaler. This is a confusion that constantly takes place with editors, I find: Offline reference material is valid too, and a reference to a book sold at amazon.com is not an amazon.com reference, per se. Sometimes the description available does tend to verify that the book contains certain content, though.
Secondly, I looked at Google references to the co-author of Ian King's Muscle book, and at references to the people who were paying attention to Ian King.
Lou Schuler has co-written a published work with Ian King,
Tom Venuto recommends most of Ian King's books second-to-none (including his own) and an interview with Ian King by
Rob Wilkins has been included in almost every online body-building site available. This is a fairly quick Google search... so my question is...I can verify that these people are notable contributors to their field, and they all credit an older athlete (Ian King) as important, and some verify the claim about training athletes, etc. This seems notable to me, by Wiki standards (not necessarily my own)...and your concern that this is somehow all self-generated promotion, or false promotional claims made by profiteers seems highly unlikely to me.
I think there was call to ask for the article to be cleaned up, but not deleted. There were enough references to validate the minimal claims made, and certainly that a more knowledgeable person would eventually be able to source properly ...as always, the need to
WP:Cleanup is not grounds for
WP:Deletion and while your call to have the article improved was the right move, that call should never have been subject to a time-limit... IMO, the article should have been left for a qualified editor to say more, in their own time.
Thank you again for your kind words of support...they are much appreciated. You are also (by far) the most tactful and diplomatic editor I've had a disagreement with since I've been here...and as soon as I find just the right barnstar (I've been looking), I'll send one to you. Kind regards, -- Greatwalk 07:22, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Ian King is an Australian, hence the article being listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Australia for the benefit of other Australian editors who may be able to provide a rationale for keeping the article. It could potentially be listed within a sports related deletion sorting page also, but I don't frequent sports articles all that often and am not aware of a similar deletion sorting page for the purpose. The article btw was eventually deleted. -- Longhair\ talk 11:09, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi Aditya: do you have plan of creating stubs/articles for the different grameen initiatives mentioned on the page, i.e. Grameen Shikkha, Grameen Mothsho, Grameen Baybosa Bikash, Grameen Software Limited, Grameen Knitwear Limited, and Grameen Uddog? (I don't think that would be a worthwhile excercise.) If not, I'd like to remove the wikilinks as the redlinks don't look good. Arman Aziz 09:25, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Anyways, you friend Nahid has already dedicated himself to remove the redlinks, so I am not going to get further involved there. Arman Aziz 05:23, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for all the suggestions about how to discuss on wikipedia etc. on my talk page. There are definitely points in your post that I can learn from. Let me assure one thing to you, I also consider you a very valuable partner and wish we could work with greater synergy on wikipedia. I do not want to get rude with anyone unless there is a reason to believe someone is trying to take advantage of my politeness. Just wanted to raise a hypothtical situation to you... you are a knowledgable person, you'll understand the context.
Assume, one fine morning you log-in to wikipedia and discover the follwoing posting from me on Wikipedia talk:Featured content:
Is there any policy on the what kind of articles should be featured on Wikipedia? Or do we feature articles indiscriminately? I have found this featured article on Rajshahi University that makes little sense at all. Rajshahi University is an almost non-functional university (unlike the Cornell University, which is a world famous University and deserves to have a featured article), and the university has serious problems including terrorism where there is no safety to the life of teachers or students. Out of all the universities in the world, even a good article on this university seems unnecessary let alone a featured article.
- Well, I have just discovered Shahbag, another featured article by the same user - User:Aditya Kabir, which depicts a defunct name for a location in a third world city. All the material of this article overlaps with Dhaka and Bangladesh. I guess, I am a bit surprised at this indiscriminate featuring of articles.
What will your feelings be? Will you be able to remain calm enough to be diplomatic and avoid being rude? If you think you can - I'd say you are a saint.
My sincere appologies: I am not a saint.
I don't know the full history of your interaction with Nahid and Niaz. But if there is any point of disagreement between them and you I will support them when I think they are right and I will support you when I think you are right. Nahid and Niaz have done a great job by creating all these small articles on Bangladeshi universities. I don't believe all articles on wikipedia have to be featured or even good articles. We are still far ... far from that achievement. But the way wikipedia has grown, it is now almost essential for any university to have an entry on wikipedia even if just a stub. And Niaz and NAHID have achieved that. I wish someone created stubs or start class articles for all banks or newspapers or hospitals in Bangladesh with equal enthusiasm.
Your's truly Arman Aziz 08:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
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Redlinks • Rudeness • Nahid • IUB • Portal 01 • Portal 02 • Daily Star |
Was this discussed somewhere? I don't agree with it, could it be undone pending discussion? Anchoress ( talk) 20:13, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi, you edited the Thong (clothing) article to clean it up by removing the gallery. This has been a "project that takes an eternity", though, and improvements are welcome. I think that the current selection of images includes those images that are necessary to illustrate what is discussed in the article. However, I disagree on the point of removing the gallery. There are a lot of potential images for the article and collecting them in a gallery helps with keeping the article (relatively) clean. People will attempt to add new images of differing quality to the article. Moreover, the gallery included images for illustrating different kinds of thongs on a plastic manikin — these were lost in the cleanup. These are details (even in fine details) that are essentially are subjects of the article. (I posted this to the personal page because the general talk tends to attract a lot of responses.) -- Vuo ( talk) 21:43, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi Aditya. The way I see it, Indosphere is a pretty different concept from Greater India and has a good scope of expanding on is own. Greater India and Indies, however, are pretty similar. Indosphere is similar in definition to Persianate society (contrasted to Greater Iran) or Sinosphere (contrasted to Greater China). Ideas like Greater India and Indies have some geographical basis, but Indosphere is a purely cultural concept (just like Anglosphere.) This could be a classical mergist splittist kind of a discussion. deeptrivia ( talk) 03:15, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Aditya, I'm sorry for the delay; I peeked in on the AfD, and it looks like you've gotten the situation under control. Regards, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 19:50, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Hello Aditya, sorry for my actions. I was unaware that their was a discussion going on. I have provided my comments on the talk page of Biharis. Nevertheless, I did make several useful changes to the Bihari people article which I am restoring. I hope a decision is soon reached regarding the issue. With regards, Anupam Talk 06:02, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
I disagree with your views on layout but I am not seriously worried about such matters. I enjoy experimenting at certain times. I have stopped inserting TOC left long ago, merely to save you the bother of deleting them, but may be some TOCs I had put in earlier are still there. Since you are so worried on that point, you can delete them as and when you find them. I don't even remember where I may have inserted these. To be of some help I will also delete them when I locate them. Regards. - P.K.Niyogi ( talk) 00:37, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
I would like you to be aware of a couple points related to the tagging you did:
עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:01, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Bhaia, what's your problem? Why are you tagging pictures that I have uploaded? If there is anything going wrong, you may tell me directly. I always respect you and your activity and even in all the pages (including this one) address you as a Bhaia which means a big bro. So, I expected attitude like a big bro. We are not enemy here! I hope you can understand why I am leaving this comment.
Kind regards,
Niaz (Talk • Contribs) 18:39, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Please see the talk page and comment. Regards.-- Dwaipayan ( talk) 16:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
I added to the introduction that it ranked 13th in the world (based on 2007 estimates by Demographia) and then you added a rankings section that states it is 12th in the world. I realize that figures are different depending on whether you're looking at estimates, projections, census data, etc. but we should probably keep it consistent lest the article contradict itself. It would probably be a good idea to add a note saying what the data is based up (e.g., 2007 estimates, 2000 census data). I have no preference, but I just thought I should point that out if you want to make that call. Thanks. -- ErgoSum88 ( talk) 14:37, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Hello, Aditya Kabir. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents that concerns you. See WP:ANI#User:Aditya Kabir and misuse of rollback feature. EdJohnston ( talk) 20:10, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Per the thread at ANI and my talk page I have restored the right. I am confident that you now understand when it is to be used. Happy editing! Pedro : Chat 07:55, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
You may want to give some input here Pedro : Chat 10:26, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
I am contesting the proposal for speedy deletion of Parashurama (disambiguation). I have explained my reason for this on the talk page. Please let me know what you think of my suggestion. Gamesmaster G-9 ( talk) 00:02, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Alrite. But why was the new map removed? -- Emperor Genius ( talk) 16:03, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
I would think that after three complete months of discussion, where there is no consensus for a merge, that the merge should not be performed. All four articles discuss different items all about the same location, yes, but that doesn't mean the articles on two geographic entities should be merged into an article on a geopolitical entity. That and those that have weighed in on the talk page have opposed the move. Do not replace the tags, unless you wish to bring up the topic in a more centralized location. I'm sure the WikiProject on Indian topics is much better than the talk page of one specific article.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 02:38, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi, you edited out my Borat/mankini/YouTube link today, which is fine – I do see your point. However, stale though the joke may be, I saw (again) 2 stag do's using mankinis this very weekend in the UK. It's still very popular, so I think it's worth noting (even minorly) as a cultural transfer phenomenon. I'd say so, anyway. Yeah? I tried looking for the subsection you mentioned ("(cur) (last) 14:58, 2 June 2008 Aditya Kabir (Talk | contribs) (35,705 bytes) (that borat joke is getting stale, you may put it in the movies sub-section under the popular culture section") but can't find any movies sub-section. Let me know what I can do, if anything. Sorry, I'm a virgin at these things, so I don't really know how this works. Thanks for your help, Kieron.
I know you're not being a dick! One of the problems with this mess of Indian articles (and I agree that it is a mess) is that there seem to be a multiplicity of political undercurrents that are driving their creation. British India, British Raj, British Rule in India, Company Rule in India, Princely States is a case in point. In the case of South Asia and the Indian Subcontinent the case is a lot simpler. We have three articles where there should be two. One for the tectonic plate thing and one for the South Asia/Indian subcontinent thing. On the political dimension, both terms, 'Indian subcontinent' as well as 'South Asia' refer to the same political area. Though South Asia is the more modern term, Indian subcontinent is used as (if not more) often in the academic world. I recognize that the term 'Indian' downplays the presence of non-Indian countries in the region, and also recognize that the preferred political term is South Asia and feel that we should do the following:
It seems to me that that is the correct way to proceed. I see you have an interest in sorting this mess out so let me know what you think. -- Regents Park ( sink with my stocks) 15:27, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
The record shows you moved Isa Khan (Guantanamo detainee 23) to Isa Khan (Guantanamo detainee). Your edit summary said: "(moved Isa Khan (Guantanamo detainee 23) to Isa Khan (Guantanamo detainee): Why 23? It's inhuman and it's not needed.)"
I am sure you thought this was an obvious move. I disagree.
The actual identity of the Guantanamo captives is surprisingly muddy. The Guantanamo camp authorities did an absolutely abysmal job of keeping track of their names. Allegations wander from dossier to dossier. There are sets of captives who faced the exact same allegations, because camp authorities did a bad job telling captives apart. There are at least half a dozen captives whose names would normally have been transliterated identically. And camp authorities came up with multiple poorly thought out, incompatible renaming schemes for these captives.
I wanted the wikipedia to do a better job of distinguishing Guantanamo captives apart than the Guantanamo camp authorities. So, for the several dozen captives whose names required disambiguation I named their articles according to the rubric Joe Blow (Guantanaamo captive Nnn). Some of these captives whose names require disambiguation are like Isa Khan -- they require disambiguation from individuals who aren't other captives. But that is less than half. I personally think it was unwise to have two distinct disambiguation schemes. Geo Swan ( talk) 01:32, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Talk:South_Asia#Why.2C_oh_why.3F
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Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 05:52, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
You said it does "But, the relevant policy doesn't say so [that flags in the beginning are ok]", but WP:FLAG does not say anywhere flags in the list go against Wikipedia policy, in fact it even puts down guidelines for how flags are to be used in a list (as I cquoted before). You cannot really consider much for consensus if you have only two people (you and me) editing the article and considering you were the one making the "controversial edit", I was the one undoing it. The flags in the list are years old, you are the only and first person I know of to try (and I have a long history on this page) to get rid of them (this is excluding the people who removed the once present Tibet flag from page, as this is a conflict regarding Tibet's sovereignty and not Wikipedia policy). Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 07:58, 12 February 2009 (UTC) -also on Talk page Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 08:00, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
This edit you made makes that section very unclear, so I reverted it. Your edit makes it become very difficult to read. Please do not revert back to your version
Also, the format you made does not have an relevance to the Manual of Style. Please do not misread the MOS as you did regarding flags. Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 20:55, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
If you are going to revert the page once again, I would request that you do not revert other parts of the article. Furthermore, I requested an RfC on the page, so that a third opinion may come in. Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 08:44, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
I have observed that you seem to have a problem accepting WP:AGF.
— teb728 t c 00:10, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Hey, there is this editor User:SorenShadow who is making edits to this page about Iran not being part of South Asia. I need your help with this person. They keep reverting to an edit (made by a vandal IP) that pointlessly singles out Rutgers for not included Iran in their definition [2] [3].
This is my counter edit [4]
Can you help me deal with this user, as they revert to a vandal edit. Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 19:50, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
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Hi Aditya Kabir,
I just removed a reference from the article Dwight Hooker that was sourced to a book from "Books LLC". I only saw afterwards that I had already removed that reference a few days ago and that you had re-added it. "Books LLC" has published thousands of those print-on-demand books via online books shops like Amazon or Barnes & Noble. Those are mostly just compilations of related Wikipedia articles that are all contained in the same category (in this case Category:Playboy photographers). In many product descriptions on Amazon, they even include links that link right back to the Wikipedia articles (see this description for example.) There are other users who have noticed this too, and one user even bought one of these books and verified that it only contains Wikipedia articles: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Unreferenced articles#Books LLC. So I wouldn't use these books as references for Wikipedia articles, unless you bought the book and can verify that this specific book is not copied from Wikipedia. Regards, --02:10, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
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Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. CIreland ( talk) 16:30, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Regarding your comment: "Cresix and Nightscream, please, discuss on the discussion page, no need to form a tagteam". First, we HAVE discussed on the talk page. Secondly, two editors can disagree with you without it being "tagteam". That is assuming bad faith and a personal attack. Accordingly:
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Your edit summary said "way too many banners screaming the same message, removed some of the redundant" - in that case, you should remove the improperly sourced / unsourced material rather than only what you perceive to be exraneous maintenance tags.
Under no circumstances should you ever restore unsourced material that has been removed unless you are supplying citations from reliable sources. I'm sure you know our policies around those areas, and your edits appear to be in conflict with them. The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability. Toddst1 ( talk) 13:34, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
i agree with your edits on bikini. i think this edit [5] is a personal attack against you and he should apologize for it. well see. Bouket ( talk) 09:10, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
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Explanation: if you disagree with another editor about something, it should only be reverted once. WP:BRD, while not an official policy is good advice. After the reversion start a discussion on the talk page. If you can't come to agreement and think you're right, try to get more editors to participate using some form of content WP:DR like WP:DRN or WP:RFC. Nobody Ent 13:08, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
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Apparently you missed the giant orange box at the top of the editing screen for ANI:
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Please be more careful. Toddst1 ( talk) 18:23, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
You should get this: [ [6]] when you click the "Edit this Page" tab and the box shown above should be at top. Is that what you're seeing? Nobody Ent 13:22, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
i tried to help out but i just made the people involved angry with me. i dont know what we can do here, but at least we got toddst1 to admit both of you were edit warring. i still dont know why he thought its ok for an established editor to edit war, but ok. lets move on. sorry i couldnt help more. are you going to continue to edit here? Bouket ( talk) 06:32, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
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An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Jayne Mansfield's physical assets in popular culture. Since you had some involvement with the Jayne Mansfield's physical assets in popular culture redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Hullaballoo Wolfowitz ( talk) 14:47, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I had welcomed this user and his talkpage was on my watch. I see that the new user had made some not so perfect edits on article(s) and may be had even shown some arrogance after which he was blocked. But Please understand that comments such as
this will only fire up the situation, and is a good example of
WP:BITE. That comment in my opinion is unnecessary, rude and inciting. Please rephrase it in a kind way.
Please be kind to others in the same way as you expect from others on your
User_talk:Aditya_Kabir/Editnotice, cheers--
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It's been quite a few months since I made the edits in Template:Bengal Renaissance and those had been undone long before you posted this thread. Please don't make unnecessary or belated complains. As for the Template:Tourism in Bangladesh, you can give your valuable advice on the talk page of the template, my user talk page is not the only place where you can negotiate. Some of your threads in my talk page are repeatedly violating the Wikipedia policies such as Wikipedia:No personal attacks, Wikipedia:Civility, Wikipedia:Harassment etc. Since you are an experienced editor here, I'm not reminding the negative results of these violations, thanks. -- Kmzayeem ( talk) 13:40, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
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Please clarify how you think this edit improves, or benefits the encyclopedia?
As per wp:notaforum I am perfectly within my rights to remove any post that claims "Pubic-waxing arose with pop-music lyrics about cuttin', rippin', and killin' ho's and bitches, when football-players were idolized for murdering or assaulting wives and girlfriends. Some men cannot perceive of sex (or ANY pleasure, sexual or not) in terms different from dog-fighting and car-crashes, and anything that degrades their partner feeds their psychopathic frenzy. Turning adult women into little children by waxing off their attributes of adultness is part of this sick game".
At best, this is ignorant soapboxing, and at worst blatant trolling - both of which are valid reasons for removal. Chaheel Riens ( talk) 12:24, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
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Ms Kabir,
May I suggest we add an etymology section to the Bangladesh article? To begin with, it's a very interesting subject. However there also seems to be quite a lot of confusion in Western media over the origin of the word Bengal, with a lot of ignorant people claiming it emerged only during British rule. It's amazing that there is no mention of the Persian term Bangalah which was used during the medieval period. Just a suggestion. I'm not very good in crafting Wikipedia texts though.-- Bazaan ( talk) 22:40, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Now what's your problem? What happened to Wikipedia not being a battleground? For your information, I am not the type of person who engages in "puffery". My edits are very much in line with the facts.-- Bazaan ( talk) 19:07, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Hello, I think you missed my reply on my talk page. It's actually good like it is right now, as putting them all at the same place will give confusion. The UN definition (and the only definition in the world wich adds Iran) is the most deviating one, that's why we included it later on in the article some time ago, so people understand it's based solely for something compeltely different (namely statistic purposes), and nothing else. Regards LouisAragon ( talk) 22:38, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I'm a regular volunteer at 3O. Your request for a 3O has been removed due to the RFC pending on the same issue. Dispute resolution processes may only be used one at a time and generally cannot be used if any other DR process or similar process to resolve a dispute is pending. If the RFC does not work within it's alloted 30 day period, then you may consider trying 3O or some other DR process. Regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 15:08, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I'm responding to your comments at Talk:Muhammad Hamidullah Khan, which I thought were well reasoned. An anon has added back the contentious material, reverting my edits. Do you have any thoughts about how to combat this? Sminthopsis84 ( talk) 01:11, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
The section about culture in
Dhaka had long been a mess.
Rainmaker23 and another IP uses have been developing it. I posit, it is high time we fork the section to a full article. I created
Culture of Bangladesh
Culture of Dhaka. You are invited to add your good work there. –
nafSadh
did
say
19:07, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
You may want to comment on the requested move at Talk:Blonde bombshell (disambiguation), before this devolves into an edit war. Thanks, Wbm1058 ( talk) 17:28, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.-- Rainmaker23 ( talk) 16:07, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
You might want to keep an eye on. – nafSadh did say 08:45, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Can we give double or more vote on the same person?-- 115ash →(☏) 13:15, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
Bangladeshis might feel that they are larger in population but lower in pictures , and they will try to remove lots on great people Chaitanya mahaprabhu, Ramakrishna , Swami Vivekananda , Subhash Bose , Aurobindo Ghosh , Sharat Chandra Chatterjee , Pranab Mukherjee , Michael Madhushudhan , Khudiram , Sharadindu , Sukumar Roy. And they are trying to fill with Shefali Chaundhury . As if there must be some balancing act . Where both will get equal share of the property(collage ). Already we have two pages Bangladeshis and Bengali Hindus . Best solution would be to remove the picture collage here in this article and add in those pages according to Bangladeshi and Indian point of view. Problem solved.
In that case as i stated above , Bifurcation won't be necessary . Then Subhash Chandra Bose Vs Shefali Chaudhuri , Bipasha Vs Ramakrishna , Shakib Vs Swami Vivekananda , Pranab Mukherjee Vs Zia ul Haq debate will be over.So , lets call for peace. This page Bengali people don't require picture collage as the discussion will go nowhere . We must add our preference in Bangladeshis and Bengali Hindus page. Sorry guys , all of you will have to sacrifice your hard labour ,especially those involved in this edit war from the past few months . Lots of pages get deleted . This is nothing. Thanks for your contribution to the talk page , but this is the best solution available right now. As there is no end to debate. 112.79.38.6 ( talk) 07:16, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Please do not attack other editors, as you did on Talk:Bengali people. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. I am not taking this insanity accusation lightly . Don't use fuck in edit summary. C E ( talk) 07:37, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
I don't have any knowledge about codes. Can you show revision history difference ?-- C E ( talk) 07:46, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
I appreciate the hard work but if someone calls Subhash Chandra Bose king of the jungle-with reference to my Andaman comment. C E ( talk) 07:57, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
remove all my votes and comments and nobody should send me any alert messages about Bengali people . I can do that myself but it might affect your valuable codes(no idea what code)-- CosmicEmperor ( talk) 15:30, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
This person is creating headache . I normally IP edit but I can't take him alone.Just look at the choice of his Usernames .
1 , 2 , 3. Sky Blue Eyes ( talk) 12:09, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
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Hi - I decided to post a reply here to this discussion in AfD.
I am no authority on this, but here goes: the same Wikipedia standards certainly should apply across the board. "Whose standards"? First of all, your own (what you choose to contribute), and then, everybody else's plus your own (how the article is further edited/discussed/and so on, by you and everybody else on Wikipedia).
If an article ends up in AfD (Articles for Deletion), like Bangladesh Booty, it's because a user has decided it may contravene Wikipedia policies, and so it may require deletion. As you will have seen, lots of inappropriate articles are added to Wikipedia every day. It is not always a bad thing to be in AfD, as long as the problem can be fixed. In AfD, this process takes over (the discussion of the articles, as you have seen).
The article will stay in AfD for five days before an administrator assesses the consensus (it isn't a straight vote, it is an assessment that takes account of all the opinions expressed) and then takes action. The exception is a Speedy Keep/Delete, which doesn't take five days - but Booty has not been recommended for Speedy Delete, so it's OK.
If you want to know more about how an admin decides on consensus, you'll need to get an admin to describe their job to you, because I am not an admin, and I do not know exactly what they do either. But admins are the ones who finally "decide" whether to keep/delete articles in AfD. (They also sign the articles in AfD when kept/deleted, and so you can easily find an admin by clicking their usernames in AfD and leaving a question on their talk page - any of them will be able to answer your questions.)
Anyway - Booty is in AfD because someone decided it seemed to be an unnotable film and there was no evidence that it was notable.
To make this film verifiably notable, you must describe what is notable about it in the article - what separates it from the hundreds of other films released every week. As you have said (and I personally believe it is true), this film is somewhat notable. I am not saying it is definitely notable enough to avoid deletion, but it has a chance.
Now, the trouble is, you cannot simply state in the article "it's notable because of X and Y and Z" - you must also back up statement X with at least one quote from a verifiable source - a reputable book, or a newspaper, or a media source, etc. - but not a blog, a forum or unknown website. Bangladeshi sources are fine, so long as they are trustworthy ones. The quote will show the reader that X has also been said by someone notable. This makes X something the reader can trust. And you must back up Y, Z and so on the same way.
This is the approach Wikipedia wants, because Wikipedia does not allow original research. Original research includes people saying "X and Y and Z" in an article without any evidence to back it up. Not good, because it means people could just make up anything they liked.
So, if you can find some media sources and quotes to put into the article that back up your claims about the film - first, that the situation for Bangladeshi women in general is how you state it, second, that Bangladeshi film actresses are not treated favourably, and third, that public and/or critical reaction in Bangladesh to Booty was positive, the way you describe it in the article, then that would be very good news. You don't need to create a perfect article. No one is expecting that. You just need to show that what you say has also been said at least once somewhere by someone notable. That's all. If you do that, I think you will get a few Keeps in AfD.
If you have these sources already, but do not know how to insert them into the article, I can help with that. But sadly I cannot help with finding the sources myself. I have looked online, and I couldn't find any. But if you need help with editing them into the article, reply on the article discussion page, and I will do what I can. I am watching the article, so I will see if you post there. BTW, it's better to post there about editing the article than in AfD, because it annoys the admins to post too much discussion in AfD, and the discussion is now too long. But you can still post questions about the deletion process etc. in AfD, of course.
Finally, again re "whose standards" - it is obviously going to be harder to make a porn film seem "notable", compared to the average Christina Aguilera album, because Aguilera is already a verified notable star, whereas the average porn star - which includes Jazmin, because we have no verifiable information about her on Wikipedia - isn't. But that shouldn't discourage you from trying.
If you find the sources in the next day or two, I think the article has a chance of survival. Good luck. -- DaveG12345 07:12, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
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I offer my sincere apologies for not getting back to you regarding the pictures. I have been dealing with a number of personal issues which have been taking most of my time and energy. As you can see from my talk page, I'm on a semi-Wikibreak right now. Please understand that it was nothing personal (though I can understand why you may have believed it to be) and I hope to find a moment to answer your well-presented questions. In the meanwhile, I am quite happy to let the pictures stand and I apologise also for not acting quickly enough to prevent their initial removal. I hope you have no hard feelings. I certainly harbour no hard feelings toward you. -- Yamla 15:12, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
This image ( Image:Riya Style1.jpg) is marked for deletion. It's a film screenshot and is not being used to provide critical commentary on the film. Additionally, it is a copyrighted image and so fails WP:FUC's first criteria. Only freely-licensed images may be used to depict living people. Also, you need to provide a hand-written fair-use rationale for any use of a copyrighted image on the Wikipedia, though in this case it is irrelevant as it is being used to depict a living person, thus will always fail WP:FUC. Note that WP:FUC's wording has changed recently. What used to be accepted no longer is. -- Yamla 00:34, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Images which are replaceable (as per WP:FUC) are not permitted to be used until replaced. -- Yamla 18:30, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
You said: "Hey dude, I have added a fair use rationale for the biopic on the article Riya Sen. Please take a look at it. And, oh, since I have removed the deletion tage from the image as advised on the tags (i.e. the tags mat be removed if provided with a fair use rational), I also have removed the line from the article page that says the image is scheduled for deletion. I also have changed the licensing information from screenshot to fair use in Riya Sen and Style (film). I also have looked for another image to be used (yes, using google), and have done so. Well I admit that it didn't vary much, if any, in source and copyright status from the earlier one. But, I think before there is a replacable picture available it may stand. Please, check and advise."
(In response to your comments) They have not been noticed. There are in fact a large number of similar images currently in violation. It takes time to track them all down and tag them. WP:FUC was tightened up recently. It used to be permitted to use a fair-use (non-freely licensed) image to depict a living person (with appropriate rationale). This is no longer the case. As to what "replaceable" means, it really comes down to whether it would be reasonable for someone (not necessarily you) to create a free image. For example, you may not own a particular car but if this car is or was sold, someone else may and could take an image. You may not be able to take a free image of a living person but someone else certainly could. In both cases, the fair-use image is replaceable. -- Yamla 19:02, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
(In response to your comments) Why does 1 not apply? Is the person dead? If so, I apologise. But if the person is still alive, criteria 1 most definitely applies. "No free equivalent is available or could be created that would adequately give the same information. [...] However, if the subject of the photograph still exists, a freely-licensed photograph could be taken." If the person is still alive, the subject of the photograph still exists and a free equivalent "could be created that would adequately give the same information" (in this case, what the person looks like) simply by having someone take a picture of her, or having her agent release a promotional image under a free license. As to having the image replaced within the time, this follows from the current image violating WP:FUC so therefore, see the non-compliance section in WP:FUC. Images that fail WP:FUC must be deleted within 48 hours or 7 days, depending. -- Yamla 19:30, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
(In response to your comments) Yes, it does. "However, if the subject of the photograph still exists, a freely-licensed photograph could be taken." A living person is a subject of the photograph that still exists. A dead person would be a subject of a photograph that no longer exists. I agree that it is not spelled out explicitly but I assure you this is how it is meant to be understood. As to your other point, that you are not using the image merely to show what she looks like, I disagree. The image is in the page's infobox and thus is definitely showing only what she looks like. If it was not in the infobox but instead was attached to a paragraph discussing that particular movie and that paragraph made specific note of what the character looked like, then it would be an example of an image not being used solely to depict the person. As of now, though, it is not attached to any such paragraph and in fact the article makes only passing reference to that movie. -- Yamla 19:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Here's a cupcake. I appreciate that you have remained civil in your discussions with me while we have been hashing out areas of WP:FU that have driven lesser people to distraction. -- Yamla 19:59, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
(In response to your comments) I have not tried taking a picture of any celebrity, actually, but I have worked with some celebrities and non-celebrities to get a freely-licensed image for use on the Wikipedia. None of them were Bollywood actors or actresses, however. As to the infobox, these are used to provide basic information and to depict what the person looks like. If an image is to be used to provide critical commentary on a film, it needs to be attached to a paragraph providing that critical commentary. Often, an image which was attached to a paragraph and was fair-use there is moved up to the infobox but then must subsequently be removed for exactly this reason. Some of this stuff, unfortunately, is not explicitly spelled out. Other times, we try to spell something out (criteria #1 of WP:FUC) but people understandably read it differently than was intended. And then what about a situation where, say, the person is still alive but is in hiding? They still exist so a strict reading of #1 says we cannot use a fair-use image of them. But it's not reasonable to create a replacement. Now, try to write out a clear policy that will take all of these crazy situations into account, and you can see the problems. In the end, the only way to really go about things is with discussions like this, even though they take time. And thanks for noting the other image problems. I'll try to mark at least some of them when I have a moment.-- Yamla 20:41, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to butt into the conversation, but I think it is better to have a bad quality free-licensed image than to have a great-looking non-free image-under FU. If a person is alive, sooner or later, a photo will be available. An example is Sunil Gangopadhyay, whom I met last month during a programme, and the photos I took were uploaded to commons, to be used in various WPs. If there is no pic yet at commons, then perhaps it is better to have no pic at all. Many other ventures have gotten into trouble due to copyright problems, and we need to be extremely careful about that. My 2 cents. :) -- Ragib 22:23, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
You said: "It seems that the speed that you had in tagging Riya Sen's image I uploaded is not manifesting in addressing other images. Let me remind you of the images I posetd for you to take note:
Please, take a look, and let me know - why the image of Riya Sen from Style the movie was less of a fair use image than msot of these. Precedence is as good as law (even in the US, as far as I know), and these images set a very different precendence over the one that got the image in discussion deleted."
You said: "Thanks for the point. It stated exactly my sentiments. Thankfully I sought advice from an admin, before I did anything else. I guess, to remain on the fair side, I am going to mark pornstar images uploaded by Rglovejoy, they are mostly from Palyboy, a source that's pretty thick on copyrights. They have right to, considering the amount of infringement they face. Thanks again."
Hey Aditya. Glad to see your level of activity on WP. Regarding the points you made about the Riya Sen article, I removed the links to the languages, because its Wikipedia policy to wikilink a word only once in an article. Since the words Hindi and Malayalam appear earlier in the article, I don't wikilink them a second time. This prevents an excessive number of wikilinks, which would make reading the article difficult.
As for the picture, please feel free to replace the one I have with a better one. The only problem is that copyright rules are pretty stringent, so the best option is to get posters or screenshots, crop her head out, and lower the resolution so it satisfies the fair use laws. I decided on this one because this was a shot that was in keeping with her image, but if you find a better one, go ahead and upload it - just be sure to replace the old one rather than uploading a new one, otherwise there's a huge excess of unused pictures.
I also made a couple of changes to the external links you added - I redirected the link to the relevant section. Also, I removed one of the other two external links since they point to very similar articles. Another thing I did was to the page on the Ganguly brothers - a small point but very important. Please make sure that all titles and sub-headings use lowercase letters except for the first letter and proper nouns. Otherwise Wikipedia links get very confused. In fact, if you find a page with too many capital letters, please go ahead and change it. Gamesmaster G-9 16:53, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
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Thanks for uploading Image:Riya promo.jpg. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information. If you believe this image is not replaceable, please:
Alternatively, you can also choose to replace the fair use image by finding a freely licensed image of its subject, requesting that the copyright holder release this (or a similar) image under a free license, or by taking a picture of it yourself.
If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified how these images fully satisfy our fair use criteria. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on this link. Note that any fair use images which are replaceable by free-licensed alternatives will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Oden 16:11, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I just bundled them all together because they either all meet WP:MUSIC or all fail it. A bundled AfD is easier in this case.-- Isotope23 19:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
I am not on Wikipedia enough to do the changes. However, if you notice there are articles about band members from regional bands that are not really known world-wide. The examples are numerous. The question of how well-known is well-known enough for WP is a tough one ;-). I'd say let's go ahead and remove the stubs that have no information other than names and if someone has enough information (s)he can create an article. urnonav
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You removed the redirects in the Private Universities in Bangladesh substubs. I recommend you either write some content or put the redirects back, else someone will delete them speedily under CSD A3. — Quarl ( talk) 2006-12-15 19:58Z
Hello, perhaps you have this figured out by now, but we cannot have empty articles lying about. Articles that only contain templates (such as {{ Private Universities of Bangladesh}}) are considered empty and can be deleted on sight. And redirects are used so that if a person searches for a school, it goes to a list rather than saying we don't have an article on that. If you want to write articles on the individual schools, go ahead. Cheers, Fang Aili talk 18:54, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I notice that you were involved in the last deletion debate for this article. Have you seen this: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Playboy Playmates with D-cup or larger breasts. Interestingstuffadder 19:40, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm having trouble finding sources for it. Why don't you post it at WP:AWNB and see if they can help out and save it. Cause if he has "trained world-class athletes on four continents" then there must be stuff floating around that will help him pass the criteria. DXRAW 17:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the kind words on my
talk page. As you can see, the
Ian King article is no more. I think there is a philosophical debate going on between editors at Wiki...sort of Type A/Type B differences of opinion: Some believe, with enough culling and standards maintenance, Wiki will eventually become a 'capital -E'- Encyclopedic material, while others believe that Wiki's main claim to fame will always be that its articles are the first thing to come up in a search engine...so the articles have to be catchy and informative ( 'small-e'-encyclopedic material, if you will). I fall into the latter category, because most editors (in my observation) are too young, and the vast majority of editors are too inexperienced, to make Wiki anything else. I think Wiki does what it does really well, though...and that it's a great opportunity to put back into the WWW in a meaninful way. That said, I feel this article was sourced well enough for more conservative subject matter, but, because 'body-building' looks a bit tacky, these sources weren't deemed notable enough. I feel the article did, in fact, meet Wiki standards, but obviously never would have been included in Encyclopedia Britanica (which, I feel, is outside Wikipedia's scope.)
I'm sorry I didn't respond to your query and will do so now...I suspect this is a fundamental difference in opinion on how to interpret what appears to be purposefully broad guidelines provided by Wiki. Specifically, while I understand that you believe it is in a publisher's best interest to promote their authors, I do not agree it is in a publisher's best interest to falsify information about their authors, and in particular (since any book is a publisher's investment), it is not in any publisher's best interest to sign on an author that has made false claims about their background. I also disagreed that I had provided Amazon.com's assessment of the book as reference. The published work itself provides that information, it is an offline reference by nature, and the only online reference I had available was the amazon.com resaler. This is a confusion that constantly takes place with editors, I find: Offline reference material is valid too, and a reference to a book sold at amazon.com is not an amazon.com reference, per se. Sometimes the description available does tend to verify that the book contains certain content, though.
Secondly, I looked at Google references to the co-author of Ian King's Muscle book, and at references to the people who were paying attention to Ian King.
Lou Schuler has co-written a published work with Ian King,
Tom Venuto recommends most of Ian King's books second-to-none (including his own) and an interview with Ian King by
Rob Wilkins has been included in almost every online body-building site available. This is a fairly quick Google search... so my question is...I can verify that these people are notable contributors to their field, and they all credit an older athlete (Ian King) as important, and some verify the claim about training athletes, etc. This seems notable to me, by Wiki standards (not necessarily my own)...and your concern that this is somehow all self-generated promotion, or false promotional claims made by profiteers seems highly unlikely to me.
I think there was call to ask for the article to be cleaned up, but not deleted. There were enough references to validate the minimal claims made, and certainly that a more knowledgeable person would eventually be able to source properly ...as always, the need to
WP:Cleanup is not grounds for
WP:Deletion and while your call to have the article improved was the right move, that call should never have been subject to a time-limit... IMO, the article should have been left for a qualified editor to say more, in their own time.
Thank you again for your kind words of support...they are much appreciated. You are also (by far) the most tactful and diplomatic editor I've had a disagreement with since I've been here...and as soon as I find just the right barnstar (I've been looking), I'll send one to you. Kind regards, -- Greatwalk 07:22, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Ian King is an Australian, hence the article being listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Australia for the benefit of other Australian editors who may be able to provide a rationale for keeping the article. It could potentially be listed within a sports related deletion sorting page also, but I don't frequent sports articles all that often and am not aware of a similar deletion sorting page for the purpose. The article btw was eventually deleted. -- Longhair\ talk 11:09, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi Aditya: do you have plan of creating stubs/articles for the different grameen initiatives mentioned on the page, i.e. Grameen Shikkha, Grameen Mothsho, Grameen Baybosa Bikash, Grameen Software Limited, Grameen Knitwear Limited, and Grameen Uddog? (I don't think that would be a worthwhile excercise.) If not, I'd like to remove the wikilinks as the redlinks don't look good. Arman Aziz 09:25, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Anyways, you friend Nahid has already dedicated himself to remove the redlinks, so I am not going to get further involved there. Arman Aziz 05:23, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for all the suggestions about how to discuss on wikipedia etc. on my talk page. There are definitely points in your post that I can learn from. Let me assure one thing to you, I also consider you a very valuable partner and wish we could work with greater synergy on wikipedia. I do not want to get rude with anyone unless there is a reason to believe someone is trying to take advantage of my politeness. Just wanted to raise a hypothtical situation to you... you are a knowledgable person, you'll understand the context.
Assume, one fine morning you log-in to wikipedia and discover the follwoing posting from me on Wikipedia talk:Featured content:
Is there any policy on the what kind of articles should be featured on Wikipedia? Or do we feature articles indiscriminately? I have found this featured article on Rajshahi University that makes little sense at all. Rajshahi University is an almost non-functional university (unlike the Cornell University, which is a world famous University and deserves to have a featured article), and the university has serious problems including terrorism where there is no safety to the life of teachers or students. Out of all the universities in the world, even a good article on this university seems unnecessary let alone a featured article.
- Well, I have just discovered Shahbag, another featured article by the same user - User:Aditya Kabir, which depicts a defunct name for a location in a third world city. All the material of this article overlaps with Dhaka and Bangladesh. I guess, I am a bit surprised at this indiscriminate featuring of articles.
What will your feelings be? Will you be able to remain calm enough to be diplomatic and avoid being rude? If you think you can - I'd say you are a saint.
My sincere appologies: I am not a saint.
I don't know the full history of your interaction with Nahid and Niaz. But if there is any point of disagreement between them and you I will support them when I think they are right and I will support you when I think you are right. Nahid and Niaz have done a great job by creating all these small articles on Bangladeshi universities. I don't believe all articles on wikipedia have to be featured or even good articles. We are still far ... far from that achievement. But the way wikipedia has grown, it is now almost essential for any university to have an entry on wikipedia even if just a stub. And Niaz and NAHID have achieved that. I wish someone created stubs or start class articles for all banks or newspapers or hospitals in Bangladesh with equal enthusiasm.
Your's truly Arman Aziz 08:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
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Was this discussed somewhere? I don't agree with it, could it be undone pending discussion? Anchoress ( talk) 20:13, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi, you edited the Thong (clothing) article to clean it up by removing the gallery. This has been a "project that takes an eternity", though, and improvements are welcome. I think that the current selection of images includes those images that are necessary to illustrate what is discussed in the article. However, I disagree on the point of removing the gallery. There are a lot of potential images for the article and collecting them in a gallery helps with keeping the article (relatively) clean. People will attempt to add new images of differing quality to the article. Moreover, the gallery included images for illustrating different kinds of thongs on a plastic manikin — these were lost in the cleanup. These are details (even in fine details) that are essentially are subjects of the article. (I posted this to the personal page because the general talk tends to attract a lot of responses.) -- Vuo ( talk) 21:43, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi Aditya. The way I see it, Indosphere is a pretty different concept from Greater India and has a good scope of expanding on is own. Greater India and Indies, however, are pretty similar. Indosphere is similar in definition to Persianate society (contrasted to Greater Iran) or Sinosphere (contrasted to Greater China). Ideas like Greater India and Indies have some geographical basis, but Indosphere is a purely cultural concept (just like Anglosphere.) This could be a classical mergist splittist kind of a discussion. deeptrivia ( talk) 03:15, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Aditya, I'm sorry for the delay; I peeked in on the AfD, and it looks like you've gotten the situation under control. Regards, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 19:50, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Hello Aditya, sorry for my actions. I was unaware that their was a discussion going on. I have provided my comments on the talk page of Biharis. Nevertheless, I did make several useful changes to the Bihari people article which I am restoring. I hope a decision is soon reached regarding the issue. With regards, Anupam Talk 06:02, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
I disagree with your views on layout but I am not seriously worried about such matters. I enjoy experimenting at certain times. I have stopped inserting TOC left long ago, merely to save you the bother of deleting them, but may be some TOCs I had put in earlier are still there. Since you are so worried on that point, you can delete them as and when you find them. I don't even remember where I may have inserted these. To be of some help I will also delete them when I locate them. Regards. - P.K.Niyogi ( talk) 00:37, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
I would like you to be aware of a couple points related to the tagging you did:
עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:01, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Bhaia, what's your problem? Why are you tagging pictures that I have uploaded? If there is anything going wrong, you may tell me directly. I always respect you and your activity and even in all the pages (including this one) address you as a Bhaia which means a big bro. So, I expected attitude like a big bro. We are not enemy here! I hope you can understand why I am leaving this comment.
Kind regards,
Niaz (Talk • Contribs) 18:39, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Please see the talk page and comment. Regards.-- Dwaipayan ( talk) 16:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
I added to the introduction that it ranked 13th in the world (based on 2007 estimates by Demographia) and then you added a rankings section that states it is 12th in the world. I realize that figures are different depending on whether you're looking at estimates, projections, census data, etc. but we should probably keep it consistent lest the article contradict itself. It would probably be a good idea to add a note saying what the data is based up (e.g., 2007 estimates, 2000 census data). I have no preference, but I just thought I should point that out if you want to make that call. Thanks. -- ErgoSum88 ( talk) 14:37, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Hello, Aditya Kabir. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents that concerns you. See WP:ANI#User:Aditya Kabir and misuse of rollback feature. EdJohnston ( talk) 20:10, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Per the thread at ANI and my talk page I have restored the right. I am confident that you now understand when it is to be used. Happy editing! Pedro : Chat 07:55, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
You may want to give some input here Pedro : Chat 10:26, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
I am contesting the proposal for speedy deletion of Parashurama (disambiguation). I have explained my reason for this on the talk page. Please let me know what you think of my suggestion. Gamesmaster G-9 ( talk) 00:02, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Alrite. But why was the new map removed? -- Emperor Genius ( talk) 16:03, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
I would think that after three complete months of discussion, where there is no consensus for a merge, that the merge should not be performed. All four articles discuss different items all about the same location, yes, but that doesn't mean the articles on two geographic entities should be merged into an article on a geopolitical entity. That and those that have weighed in on the talk page have opposed the move. Do not replace the tags, unless you wish to bring up the topic in a more centralized location. I'm sure the WikiProject on Indian topics is much better than the talk page of one specific article.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙) 02:38, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi, you edited out my Borat/mankini/YouTube link today, which is fine – I do see your point. However, stale though the joke may be, I saw (again) 2 stag do's using mankinis this very weekend in the UK. It's still very popular, so I think it's worth noting (even minorly) as a cultural transfer phenomenon. I'd say so, anyway. Yeah? I tried looking for the subsection you mentioned ("(cur) (last) 14:58, 2 June 2008 Aditya Kabir (Talk | contribs) (35,705 bytes) (that borat joke is getting stale, you may put it in the movies sub-section under the popular culture section") but can't find any movies sub-section. Let me know what I can do, if anything. Sorry, I'm a virgin at these things, so I don't really know how this works. Thanks for your help, Kieron.
I know you're not being a dick! One of the problems with this mess of Indian articles (and I agree that it is a mess) is that there seem to be a multiplicity of political undercurrents that are driving their creation. British India, British Raj, British Rule in India, Company Rule in India, Princely States is a case in point. In the case of South Asia and the Indian Subcontinent the case is a lot simpler. We have three articles where there should be two. One for the tectonic plate thing and one for the South Asia/Indian subcontinent thing. On the political dimension, both terms, 'Indian subcontinent' as well as 'South Asia' refer to the same political area. Though South Asia is the more modern term, Indian subcontinent is used as (if not more) often in the academic world. I recognize that the term 'Indian' downplays the presence of non-Indian countries in the region, and also recognize that the preferred political term is South Asia and feel that we should do the following:
It seems to me that that is the correct way to proceed. I see you have an interest in sorting this mess out so let me know what you think. -- Regents Park ( sink with my stocks) 15:27, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
The record shows you moved Isa Khan (Guantanamo detainee 23) to Isa Khan (Guantanamo detainee). Your edit summary said: "(moved Isa Khan (Guantanamo detainee 23) to Isa Khan (Guantanamo detainee): Why 23? It's inhuman and it's not needed.)"
I am sure you thought this was an obvious move. I disagree.
The actual identity of the Guantanamo captives is surprisingly muddy. The Guantanamo camp authorities did an absolutely abysmal job of keeping track of their names. Allegations wander from dossier to dossier. There are sets of captives who faced the exact same allegations, because camp authorities did a bad job telling captives apart. There are at least half a dozen captives whose names would normally have been transliterated identically. And camp authorities came up with multiple poorly thought out, incompatible renaming schemes for these captives.
I wanted the wikipedia to do a better job of distinguishing Guantanamo captives apart than the Guantanamo camp authorities. So, for the several dozen captives whose names required disambiguation I named their articles according to the rubric Joe Blow (Guantanaamo captive Nnn). Some of these captives whose names require disambiguation are like Isa Khan -- they require disambiguation from individuals who aren't other captives. But that is less than half. I personally think it was unwise to have two distinct disambiguation schemes. Geo Swan ( talk) 01:32, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Talk:South_Asia#Why.2C_oh_why.3F
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Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 05:52, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
You said it does "But, the relevant policy doesn't say so [that flags in the beginning are ok]", but WP:FLAG does not say anywhere flags in the list go against Wikipedia policy, in fact it even puts down guidelines for how flags are to be used in a list (as I cquoted before). You cannot really consider much for consensus if you have only two people (you and me) editing the article and considering you were the one making the "controversial edit", I was the one undoing it. The flags in the list are years old, you are the only and first person I know of to try (and I have a long history on this page) to get rid of them (this is excluding the people who removed the once present Tibet flag from page, as this is a conflict regarding Tibet's sovereignty and not Wikipedia policy). Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 07:58, 12 February 2009 (UTC) -also on Talk page Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 08:00, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
This edit you made makes that section very unclear, so I reverted it. Your edit makes it become very difficult to read. Please do not revert back to your version
Also, the format you made does not have an relevance to the Manual of Style. Please do not misread the MOS as you did regarding flags. Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 20:55, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
If you are going to revert the page once again, I would request that you do not revert other parts of the article. Furthermore, I requested an RfC on the page, so that a third opinion may come in. Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 08:44, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
I have observed that you seem to have a problem accepting WP:AGF.
— teb728 t c 00:10, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Hey, there is this editor User:SorenShadow who is making edits to this page about Iran not being part of South Asia. I need your help with this person. They keep reverting to an edit (made by a vandal IP) that pointlessly singles out Rutgers for not included Iran in their definition [2] [3].
This is my counter edit [4]
Can you help me deal with this user, as they revert to a vandal edit. Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 19:50, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
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Hi Aditya Kabir,
I just removed a reference from the article Dwight Hooker that was sourced to a book from "Books LLC". I only saw afterwards that I had already removed that reference a few days ago and that you had re-added it. "Books LLC" has published thousands of those print-on-demand books via online books shops like Amazon or Barnes & Noble. Those are mostly just compilations of related Wikipedia articles that are all contained in the same category (in this case Category:Playboy photographers). In many product descriptions on Amazon, they even include links that link right back to the Wikipedia articles (see this description for example.) There are other users who have noticed this too, and one user even bought one of these books and verified that it only contains Wikipedia articles: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Unreferenced articles#Books LLC. So I wouldn't use these books as references for Wikipedia articles, unless you bought the book and can verify that this specific book is not copied from Wikipedia. Regards, --02:10, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
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Hi! You proposed speedy deletion of Category:Chowdhury family. I've nominated it at CfD instead, because it doesn't match any of the speedy deletion criteria. I've copied your rationale to the nomination, which is located here. Feel free to participate on the discussion on that page. Regards, Jafeluv ( talk) 10:43, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
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I have nominated Dwight Hooker, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dwight Hooker. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.
Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. CIreland ( talk) 16:30, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Regarding your comment: "Cresix and Nightscream, please, discuss on the discussion page, no need to form a tagteam". First, we HAVE discussed on the talk page. Secondly, two editors can disagree with you without it being "tagteam". That is assuming bad faith and a personal attack. Accordingly:
Please do not
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stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.
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15:54, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
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Your edit summary said "way too many banners screaming the same message, removed some of the redundant" - in that case, you should remove the improperly sourced / unsourced material rather than only what you perceive to be exraneous maintenance tags.
Under no circumstances should you ever restore unsourced material that has been removed unless you are supplying citations from reliable sources. I'm sure you know our policies around those areas, and your edits appear to be in conflict with them. The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability. Toddst1 ( talk) 13:34, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
i agree with your edits on bikini. i think this edit [5] is a personal attack against you and he should apologize for it. well see. Bouket ( talk) 09:10, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Please be particularly aware, Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:
If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Toddst1 ( talk) 14:09, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Explanation: if you disagree with another editor about something, it should only be reverted once. WP:BRD, while not an official policy is good advice. After the reversion start a discussion on the talk page. If you can't come to agreement and think you're right, try to get more editors to participate using some form of content WP:DR like WP:DRN or WP:RFC. Nobody Ent 13:08, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
"An edit war occurs when editors who disagree about the content of a page repeatedly override each other's contributions, rather than trying to resolve the disagreement by discussion. Edit warring is unconstructive and creates animosity between editors, making it harder to reach a consensus. Users who engage in edit wars risk being blocked or even banned. ... The three revert rule is a convenient limit for occasions when an edit war is happening fairly quickly, but it is not a definition of what "edit warring" means, and it is perfectly possible to edit war without breaking the three revert rule, or even coming close to doing so."
Apparently you missed the giant orange box at the top of the editing screen for ANI:
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Please be more careful. Toddst1 ( talk) 18:23, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
You should get this: [ [6]] when you click the "Edit this Page" tab and the box shown above should be at top. Is that what you're seeing? Nobody Ent 13:22, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
i tried to help out but i just made the people involved angry with me. i dont know what we can do here, but at least we got toddst1 to admit both of you were edit warring. i still dont know why he thought its ok for an established editor to edit war, but ok. lets move on. sorry i couldnt help more. are you going to continue to edit here? Bouket ( talk) 06:32, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
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Lemme clarify • Abusive behaviour of an admin • Can't see the point • Can't see the point |
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Jayne Mansfield's physical assets in popular culture. Since you had some involvement with the Jayne Mansfield's physical assets in popular culture redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Hullaballoo Wolfowitz ( talk) 14:47, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I had welcomed this user and his talkpage was on my watch. I see that the new user had made some not so perfect edits on article(s) and may be had even shown some arrogance after which he was blocked. But Please understand that comments such as
this will only fire up the situation, and is a good example of
WP:BITE. That comment in my opinion is unnecessary, rude and inciting. Please rephrase it in a kind way.
Please be kind to others in the same way as you expect from others on your
User_talk:Aditya_Kabir/Editnotice, cheers--
DBig
Xray
21:32, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
It's been quite a few months since I made the edits in Template:Bengal Renaissance and those had been undone long before you posted this thread. Please don't make unnecessary or belated complains. As for the Template:Tourism in Bangladesh, you can give your valuable advice on the talk page of the template, my user talk page is not the only place where you can negotiate. Some of your threads in my talk page are repeatedly violating the Wikipedia policies such as Wikipedia:No personal attacks, Wikipedia:Civility, Wikipedia:Harassment etc. Since you are an experienced editor here, I'm not reminding the negative results of these violations, thanks. -- Kmzayeem ( talk) 13:40, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
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My original comment |
Please clarify how you think this edit improves, or benefits the encyclopedia?
As per wp:notaforum I am perfectly within my rights to remove any post that claims "Pubic-waxing arose with pop-music lyrics about cuttin', rippin', and killin' ho's and bitches, when football-players were idolized for murdering or assaulting wives and girlfriends. Some men cannot perceive of sex (or ANY pleasure, sexual or not) in terms different from dog-fighting and car-crashes, and anything that degrades their partner feeds their psychopathic frenzy. Turning adult women into little children by waxing off their attributes of adultness is part of this sick game".
At best, this is ignorant soapboxing, and at worst blatant trolling - both of which are valid reasons for removal. Chaheel Riens ( talk) 12:24, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
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Ms Kabir,
May I suggest we add an etymology section to the Bangladesh article? To begin with, it's a very interesting subject. However there also seems to be quite a lot of confusion in Western media over the origin of the word Bengal, with a lot of ignorant people claiming it emerged only during British rule. It's amazing that there is no mention of the Persian term Bangalah which was used during the medieval period. Just a suggestion. I'm not very good in crafting Wikipedia texts though.-- Bazaan ( talk) 22:40, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Now what's your problem? What happened to Wikipedia not being a battleground? For your information, I am not the type of person who engages in "puffery". My edits are very much in line with the facts.-- Bazaan ( talk) 19:07, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Hello, I think you missed my reply on my talk page. It's actually good like it is right now, as putting them all at the same place will give confusion. The UN definition (and the only definition in the world wich adds Iran) is the most deviating one, that's why we included it later on in the article some time ago, so people understand it's based solely for something compeltely different (namely statistic purposes), and nothing else. Regards LouisAragon ( talk) 22:38, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I'm a regular volunteer at 3O. Your request for a 3O has been removed due to the RFC pending on the same issue. Dispute resolution processes may only be used one at a time and generally cannot be used if any other DR process or similar process to resolve a dispute is pending. If the RFC does not work within it's alloted 30 day period, then you may consider trying 3O or some other DR process. Regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 15:08, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I'm responding to your comments at Talk:Muhammad Hamidullah Khan, which I thought were well reasoned. An anon has added back the contentious material, reverting my edits. Do you have any thoughts about how to combat this? Sminthopsis84 ( talk) 01:11, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
The section about culture in
Dhaka had long been a mess.
Rainmaker23 and another IP uses have been developing it. I posit, it is high time we fork the section to a full article. I created
Culture of Bangladesh
Culture of Dhaka. You are invited to add your good work there. –
nafSadh
did
say
19:07, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
You may want to comment on the requested move at Talk:Blonde bombshell (disambiguation), before this devolves into an edit war. Thanks, Wbm1058 ( talk) 17:28, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.-- Rainmaker23 ( talk) 16:07, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
You might want to keep an eye on. – nafSadh did say 08:45, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Can we give double or more vote on the same person?-- 115ash →(☏) 13:15, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
Bangladeshis might feel that they are larger in population but lower in pictures , and they will try to remove lots on great people Chaitanya mahaprabhu, Ramakrishna , Swami Vivekananda , Subhash Bose , Aurobindo Ghosh , Sharat Chandra Chatterjee , Pranab Mukherjee , Michael Madhushudhan , Khudiram , Sharadindu , Sukumar Roy. And they are trying to fill with Shefali Chaundhury . As if there must be some balancing act . Where both will get equal share of the property(collage ). Already we have two pages Bangladeshis and Bengali Hindus . Best solution would be to remove the picture collage here in this article and add in those pages according to Bangladeshi and Indian point of view. Problem solved.
In that case as i stated above , Bifurcation won't be necessary . Then Subhash Chandra Bose Vs Shefali Chaudhuri , Bipasha Vs Ramakrishna , Shakib Vs Swami Vivekananda , Pranab Mukherjee Vs Zia ul Haq debate will be over.So , lets call for peace. This page Bengali people don't require picture collage as the discussion will go nowhere . We must add our preference in Bangladeshis and Bengali Hindus page. Sorry guys , all of you will have to sacrifice your hard labour ,especially those involved in this edit war from the past few months . Lots of pages get deleted . This is nothing. Thanks for your contribution to the talk page , but this is the best solution available right now. As there is no end to debate. 112.79.38.6 ( talk) 07:16, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Please do not attack other editors, as you did on Talk:Bengali people. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. I am not taking this insanity accusation lightly . Don't use fuck in edit summary. C E ( talk) 07:37, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
I don't have any knowledge about codes. Can you show revision history difference ?-- C E ( talk) 07:46, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
I appreciate the hard work but if someone calls Subhash Chandra Bose king of the jungle-with reference to my Andaman comment. C E ( talk) 07:57, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
remove all my votes and comments and nobody should send me any alert messages about Bengali people . I can do that myself but it might affect your valuable codes(no idea what code)-- CosmicEmperor ( talk) 15:30, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
This person is creating headache . I normally IP edit but I can't take him alone.Just look at the choice of his Usernames .
1 , 2 , 3. Sky Blue Eyes ( talk) 12:09, 19 April 2015 (UTC)