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Does anyone have experience helping get a musician article to FA or GA? Anyone a fan of obscure but critically acclaimed southern singer-songwriters? As much as I love music, I avoid most band articles because they are so overrun with well-meaning fanboys and girls. I also tend to avoid the FA process, as the few times I've poked my nose in there, I've encountered an awfully dismissive attitude from the reviewers. But if anyone would like to help me get Vic Chesnutt up to GA or beyond, let me know. WP:NOTMEMORIAL and all that, but the guy's article could at least suck a little less. Thanks to tedder for spookily coincidentally being the one to semi-protect the article after premature reports that Vic had died, thus alerting me to the situation. Thanks! Katr67 ( talk) 01:15, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Do you know if the "floor area" param of Template:Infobox building is for a single floor, or for all floors? tedder ( talk) 05:05, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
So "what links here" doesn't show much, but I know we have a Central School District, as well as the one that is currently at that article. Can you organize and dab? I'm sure if OR and CA both have one, there are some elsewhere too. tedder ( talk) 01:01, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
( ←) At some point I got frustrated with the search box on Wikipedia, so I used that a basis for My custom search, which I think I tweaked to show more hits. Fewer steps and I can find talk page discussions more easily. I have a link to it stashed on my userpage and on my desk. I use it all the time. So I searched on "Central School District" + "List of school districts in". I noted there were a lot of "Foo Central School Districts" but I didn't want to go there. Katr67 ( talk) 16:53, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Hopefully not
too long, but basically, is there a MOS or guideline saying that "Foo (City, State)" is preferred for article titles over "Foo (State)"? I know the latter is in vogue, but not sure of MOS. Hoping to prevent
WP:CREEP by linking to existing policy that would cover school names, and I thought knew you'd know. You can reply here and I'll ferry over, if you'd rather not get involved.
tedder (
talk) 08:33, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
( ←) Exactly. I try to keep the mess down to a dull roar in Oregon. The rest of the wiki can go to Michigan. Katr67 ( talk) 18:40, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm adding more complex things to articles as I go, which I'm sure you've seen on your watchlist. The rest of it are extractions for me/you to add when we have time to word them properly. tedder ( talk) 21:41, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Cringing about this typo and the Alder, Oregon thing too. Thanks for keeping me honest on those. I'm working from my laptop, sure, that's excuse. tedder ( talk) 21:53, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Materialscientist ( talk) 12:00, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
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The first one is ~1100 words. Eesh. The rest are super-short.
Okay, I'm completely braindead now. Been working on this for 5 hours straight. tedder ( talk) 07:00, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
As I have invaded your solemn turf, as you may have noticed with your watchlist lighting up as bright as the Shilo Inn's headquarters on U.S. 26 at Christmas, I come seeking council on further diffusion of that category. Basically you have worked hard to get it over 400 articles, so I'm trying to get it down under 200. I hit the counties I figured had the largest number, but now I am at a point where I'm not sure which would be next. So please tell me which ones have the most from your work.
Also, I standardized the CDPs in the counties I have completed, placing them all in the unincorp cat as well as the CDP cat. Some had the unincorp in Oregon already there and others didn't, and I think it makes sense to have them in both as the CDP cat is a sister branch in the category tree and not a parent or child category. Thanks. Aboutmovies ( talk) 09:19, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Ah, you beat me to the article. Good work, I was still compiling research. I'll add it when I get it all together. About my photos, I would be more than willing to upload them. Keep up the good work. -- Brian Halvorsen ( talk) 18:52, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
While patrolling Category:Candidates for speedy deletion, I removed the db tag you placed on Pioneer Cemetery. You may be correct that this redirect is unwise (note that the creator of the page suggested it might eventually be converted to a dab page). But this isn't, IMO, within the narrow limits of the speedy deletion criteria. I would advise taking it to WP:RFD, unless you find enough other "Pioneer Cemetery" pages to construct a dab now. DES (talk) 18:53, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
OK, I was out getting pics of Gleenwood, Balm Grove, and Gales Creek. But, any idea what this "community" is at OR6 & OR8 south of Gleenwood? Unlike many of the names on a map but no community, this seems to be a community with no name on the map. It seems to far south of Gleenwood, and though some store signs say Gales Creek, it is far to north (I think they are referring to the actual stream across the road). Ditto with this cluster of houses on OR6 north of Balm Grove. Maybe Balm Grove North? Thanks with any assistance. Aboutmovies ( talk) 20:54, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
What's the relationship between the Oregon-American lumber company, the Oregon Lumber Company, the Sumpter Valley Railroad ( ISBN 9780738571256), the Oregon and California Railroad, the Oregon Central Railroad, and maybe even the Oregon Short Line Railroad? Page 3 seems to discuss it a bit, but .. I'm confused, I don't deal with ambiguity well. This article provides some color but is confusing (to me at least). tedder ( talk) 00:35, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Onto another topic. Books I have on order (the first one has arrived, haven't picked it up).
tedder ( talk) 03:19, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
( ←) Have you seen those Pete Frame "family tree" style charts of rock bands? I've been wishing someone would draw up something like that for all the railroads and their spawn. Katr67 ( talk) 22:30, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
( ←) I was going to make a Jolly Green Giant/corn niblets reference, but I got a little sidetracked to learn why sweet niblets redirects where it does. -- Esprqii ( talk) 23:33, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Per this, I added the county back, as well as cites to the necessary bits. Ideally, the county information would be moved out of the address and put as a regular field (similar to how the school district is shown). But since schools are tied to a city and a region, it makes sense (to me) to include the county- especially since the list dices them by county. Context is here. tedder ( talk) 08:04, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
-- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 15:43, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Whaddya know, I passed the Portland office of Amalgamated Sugar Company this morning. Didn't even know there was one. Actually, maybe I did, I think I've seen the silo from Lombard. Hmm. tedder ( talk) 19:21, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi,
I'll rewrite the page citing an obit. The man was my friend, I worked with him for 12 years. He really is dead, I'm sad to say!
Richard Weil ( talk) 04:31, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Just a heads-up, hoping you can watchlist those and step in. I have an awkward way of wording things.. for instance, look at the sentence about "American Beet Sugar Construction Company". tedder ( talk) 05:46, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
( ←) I was about to start in with a quick copyedit of ASCo., but I got confused with the first sentence in the history section. So before there was Amalgamated, there was Utah SC, etc., correct? Could clarify that a bit? Then I can work on the wording. Katr67 ( talk) 19:41, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Circular file. Also, when are you going to write about Timbuktu, Oregon, and is it even in OGN? If there was enough info it could make for some good DYK hooks. Aboutmovies ( talk) 08:07, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Maybe he was a vampire? No one is really sure how he got out. I think there was some kind of general amnesty after the war and lots of folks got out. I found one site that described it but it had that--hmm, not-so-reliable feeling. I'll see if I can track it down more. -- Esprqii ( talk) 03:46, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
So in conclusion, if we find a site that gives us that oogie "not so reliable feeling", there should be a product that would let us cleanse it of dubious info so we can use it as a citation. Katr67 ( talk) 07:13, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
The hard copy OHQ shows a map of the planned route of the OPRR with its terminus at Elk City on Yaquina Bay, rather than Yaquina. Thought that was interesting. There's not a ton of other interesting detail on the map, which shows the planned route from Elk City to Corvallis, then nestling through dales along the Santiam, Crooked, and Malheur Rivers, with some vague dotted lines to Boise and beyond. Anyway, I can scan you a copy if you're interested. -- Esprqii ( talk) 00:20, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Greetings WikiProject Oregon team member. Time for the first new Collaboration Of The Week in 2010. Thank you to those who worked on Bill Schonely and archiving talk pages. For this week, we have Concordia University and the Berry Botanic Garden. Hopefully we can mine the garden’s website before it closes down. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Cheers and stuff. Aboutmovies ( talk) 09:45, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Context: Oregon Public Utility Commission
Thanks for the message. As I am sure you have deduced I am totally new to this, whereas you are obviously a seasoned user.
I was tasked with creating a page for the Commission and was surprised to find it already existed. It was my intention to just add more content not step on anyone's toes. I have provided a photo of the PUC building in the Commons page called “PUC building 2” that could be used to replace the poor quality logo.
I presume I can create my own page as it appears other Commissions have done, however, I would prefer not to.
I am finding all of the posting protocols a tad confusing. I am not surprised that Wiki users are steadily declining as documented in recent news articles. I will continue to try and figure all this stuff out.
I am curious who created the page, is this part of the Oregon portal project? BY the way, KATR was the first radio station I worked for in Eugene many moons ago.
Pucguy ( talk) 18:11, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
( ←) OK, now I have had time to recall what I wrote previously. Again, thanks for getting in touch.
First, as you may have gathered from the edit summaries and my changes—it is not “your own page” nor is it the commission’s page. Please read about article ownership and also the business FAQ if you haven’t already. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, so that means the articles can’t use the first person plural and Wikipedia is also not to be used as a mirror site for your agency. What it can do is present factual information about the commission.
As far as I know, other commissions and agencies have not started articles on themselves. Actually, many of the members of WikiProject Oregon have an interest in government and politics, as well as open access to information, and want to make sure these topics get covered. Most of the state agency articles were created by a politically minded priest! I started an article on Hillcrest Youth Correctional Facility because I have a thing for the history of institutions. You can check the page history of any article to see who has created and contributed to it.
Some interns or employees have attempted to work on their agency’s Wikipedia articles. This is the general pattern I see: The intern or employee is given the task of improving the agency’s Wikpedia article. The person then copies and pastes info over the existing article directly from the agency’s Oregon.gov website, which destroys the existing formatting, interwiki links, and often the article’s neutral point-of-view, sometimes turning it into an advertisement for the agency. The changes get reverted, and sometimes for a day or two, discussion and collaboration takes place on the article’s talk page. At this point, the employee, who I think assumed s/he could whip out an article in half a day and be done with it, disappears, never to be heard from again. Another thing I’ve seen is people trying to remove negative information about the agency. If the negative information (for example the controversial ouster of a director) is neutrally worded and fully cited using reliable sources, and a notable part of the history of the agency, then it belongs in the article.
It’s true there are a lot of protocols, and I’m sorry if you find the place confusing. If we didn’t have policies and guidelines, the place would fill up with “naughty” words, external links and advertisements and be rendered completely useless as an encyclopedia in a very short time. I’m curious which article you’ve read about the downfall of Wikipedia. I’d say it’s more of a success than a failure. Please try to understand what we are doing here before you are too hasty in your assessment of our process—it’s certainly not as bad as the OARs! Oregon Wikipedia editors in particular have a reputation for quality work, so if you stick with us, you should see good results.
Anyway, the way to avoid stepping on toes is to: make sure this isn’t a role account—that is, not one that everyone in your office uses to edit Wikipedia, not insert “we” and “our” into the article about your agency, rewrite anything that comes from your website in your own words and in a neutral manner—this avoids copyright violation, as although it’s likely OK with the agency to reuse the content, dealing with permissions is a hassle, and besides, like I said, Wikipedia is not to be used as a mirror site for the agency—if the content is exactly the same, what is the point? Finally, if you’re unsure about the changes you want to make, they can be “workshopped” on the article’s talk page. And be patient, the Wikipedia process is a lot slower than what you might be used to.
It happens that Wikimedia’s public outreach officer is also a member of WikiProject Oregon and a politico, and he watches this page, so he may be able to offer some assistance. If you want to get started working on the OPUC page, we can take the discussion over there: Talk:Oregon Public Utility Commission. I checked briefly and the current info in the article that I have tagged for citations seemed well-paraphrased from the agency website, so the only thing we need is to add some references, which we can help you with. If you’re not too discouraged from everything I wrote above, let us know what else you would like to see there. I'll go take a look for that image, we could probably put it and the logo into a nifty "infobox".
Yes, my nickname comes indirectly from KATR’s previous incarnation as a country music station in Eugene! Cheers, Katr67 ( talk) 18:55, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Friday Funnies: oh, why have I not enjoyed the wonder that is Conservapedia ("The Trustworthy Encyclopedia") before this? Who knew all that about conifer/ fir/ fur trees before??? -- Esprqii ( talk) 00:15, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
I did not change the citation because the population estimate is from the PSU population survey and that is what is referenced in the current citation. Please change the area and density back to what I changed them to. I am a City planner and I changed it after revising the calculations in my GIS system at work. Reverting the data is not helping the cause as the updated information is all correct and verified.
Thanks,
KOJR ( talk) 06:47, 23 January 2010 (UTC)KOJR
Howdy WikiProject Oregon folks, time again for the latest installment of As the Collaboration Of The Week Turns. Last week was one of the more successful COTWs in recent memory as we really worked hard as a community to improve Concordia University and Berry Botanic Garden. Both are now at least C class articles and nicely illustrated (thanks to Tedder, Finetooth, and Ipoellet). Plus it really was a group effort as we had five different WPORE editors work on the garden and ditto with the school, with some overlap between the two.
Anyway, this week, we have by request the completely unrelated Just Out and Terrell Brandon. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. This message paid for by Fooians against COTW killing taxes. Aboutmovies ( talk) 09:26, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
Context: I once Dabbed Hood River on that page.
Hi. You may wish to participate in the proposal to add an external link to this article Talk:Kitesurfing_locations, Regards Peter Campbell 01:12, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. Your redlinks were the prompt. I've been collecting (mostly used) copies of books like MacColl's (and the Gaston book is all on-line), which is making it easier to find sources for these old dead guys. The image isn't terrific, and I can't think of a good hook for a DYK. Finetooth ( talk) 21:29, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
You should have seen the cute little book I got some history from. It was a 1951 book, basically written by "sister so-and-so" and "brother so-and-so", more about who got their minor boy scout ranks than anything serious, but it definitely filled it out nicely.
Sheesh, all of this is Oregon related. Almost. tedder ( talk) 06:27, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
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Uh-oh, something just got bumped to the top of your heap! -- Esprqii ( talk) 01:25, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Hello, you posted on my talk page and offered to give me advice, so here I am asking for some.
I saw this list of resources: List of search engines
And I believe the page/site I created recently GetEducated.com belongs on that list. So my questions are
1) Is the proper thing for me to do suggest that it be added to this list on that list's discussion page? Or just go ahead and add it myself?
And
2) It doesn't fit under any of the current categories, as it is a search engine for information about online schools and degrees (provides cost information as well as independent ratings and reviews). Could you recommend a category? And if I can think of an appropriate one, would I suggest that also on the discussion page?
I have COI, of course, but even without the job here I believe the site is a unique and valuable reference tool that really helps people.
Thank you for your time, -- Immaletufinish ( talk) 19:19, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi there, my social security number is 123-45-6789, my date of birth is April 1, 1950, and my bank account number is 5551212. Can you please make sure that all my money goes into my new account. Please initial in this box [___] when you complete the transaction. Love, Aunt Betty -- Esprqii ( talk) 18:51, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
The DYK project ( nominate) 18:00, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
I'm doing this for a school project, had no interest in this at all, only doing it for the grade. Had no Idea about the rules. I am the rescource for the information as I lived their from the third grade on until the early 1990's. I did post a article from the Eugene Registar Guard supporting my information about the residents not getting along well. Live and Learn. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimmyz1364 ( talk • contribs) 02:09, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Can you suggest a better DYK item for Amalgamated? At the very least, can you clean up the suggestion I gave? ("in..in") tedder ( talk) 20:29, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
The three revert rule did cross my mind, but I am not the only one reverting. Tedder is also reverting and you should warn him too. Being an admin should not exempt him from the three revert rule. Mr. C.C. ( talk) 19:07, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi Katr, I'd just like to say thanks for reverting the vandalism on my talk page.-- Henry talk 23:36, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Leave my Astoria Regional Airport edit alone. That is a completely legitimate addition to that page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael.tofte ( talk • contribs) 00:32 13 February 2010
Donald Macleay got a DYK on Feb. 13 with the hook you suggested. Finetooth ( talk) 04:43, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi Katr: Thanks for noticing my creation of the article for KSKQ-LP. I could not be more neutral, since I am an outsider from Manitoba, Canada, and have only traveled through the area of Ashland, OR once in my life (47 years ago, I might add). So why you would say that this article is not neutral, I can't figure out. However, if it helps I will try to be even more neutral than I am already, without becoming Swiss or Swedish in the process. Thanks for trolling along the Wikipedia highway. Skol fir ( talk) 22:03, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Investigate for notability? Caroline B Miller tedder ( talk) 17:32, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Good catch on the source of his images! I hadn't noticed that. All I saw was the commercial nature of the spam links. I think uploading the public domain images or linking directly to the Library of Congress page, rather than to a commercially-oriented site, is a great idea. I don't have a watchlist, but I do occasionally (days or weeks later) review my previous edits to see what has happened since I last edited the articles. Hopefully I'll see some edits from you on those articles when I next check them. Take care, and happy editing! 152.16.16.75 ( talk) 10:24, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns which you can see at Talk:Willamette University College of Law/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells ( talk) 15:19, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
User:Katr67/Aloha Trailer Company-- Scott Mac (Doc) 20:28, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
ur right about kip or kipland! i ve deleted the section .. keep up the good work!! 21:21, 24 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mydreamistofly ( talk • contribs)
Greetings fellow WikiProject Oregon member, it is once again time for the Collaboration of the Week (yes, I know they are not actually every week anymore). Thank you to those who helped out the last few weeks improving Terrell Brandon, Just Out, 75th Oregon Legislative Assembly, and all the unreferenced BLPs. This week we have by request Oregon Coast Aquarium and Arvydas Sabonis (maybe the Blazers can sign him as I think he's healthy). Both need more sourcing. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. And remember folks, the only thing we have to fear is death and taxes, unless of course the dingo ate your baby, at which point you may feel the need, the for speed to get away from said dingos, which in turn can lead to a failure to communicate due to the dynamics of sound waves, though at some point hopefully we can all just get along. Aboutmovies ( talk) 09:07, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Hello WikiProject Oregon member, time for a new edition of the Collaboration of the Week. Thank you to those who helped out the last few weeks improving Oregon Coast Aquarium and Arvydas Sabonis. Also thank you to those few of you helped with the attempt to celebrate Women's History Month with Barbara Roberts and Ursula K. Le Guin.
This week we have by request the Memorial Coliseum that has been in the news a lot lately, and then one of the more important political figures in our state's history, Douglas McKay. The MC needs some ref work and EL work, and McKay really needs a lot more sourcing. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies ( talk) 20:03, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
I hear-bye propose Katr67 be recalled from her Wikibreak and ordered to resume writing about obscure small villages and hamlets. Please sign below:
( ←) I'm saying I may have had a little too much Zinfandel and it's just a teensy bit possible my {{cn}}-o-meter and WP:OWN-o-rama are slightly off. And yes, a hard town is ::heheheheheh:: good to find. Katr67 ( talk) 05:39, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi, Aboutmovies, Katr67 and Tedder, It's Ross Degenstein. List of cities in Oregon in 1970-2008 Today I edited in But, I cannot edit in any Oregon. Katr67 said no. Tedder blocked me 3 months ago. Ross Degenstein ( talk) 96.3.201.230 ( talk) 22:59, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Your back is fine. I think. Since you've left I've read through a couple of MacColl books and started doing quite a bit of bicycling (every other day, working on hillclimbing now). And you've already caused a LOL. Nice work. tedder ( talk) 06:01, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi Katr,
Sorry about the tone of the Bayocean article. Probably like most folks, I have more experience with general edits then with writing articles from scratch. I just felt the location needed an article, even if it was just a rough start. Let me know if there is anything specific you would like me to tidy up. :) Buddy23Lee ( talk) 17:52, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
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Direct link to discussion: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive589#User:Xeugene and Pacifica Forum
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding recent edits by Xeugene at Pacifica Forum. Thank you. — Gavia immer ( talk) 22:50, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone have experience helping get a musician article to FA or GA? Anyone a fan of obscure but critically acclaimed southern singer-songwriters? As much as I love music, I avoid most band articles because they are so overrun with well-meaning fanboys and girls. I also tend to avoid the FA process, as the few times I've poked my nose in there, I've encountered an awfully dismissive attitude from the reviewers. But if anyone would like to help me get Vic Chesnutt up to GA or beyond, let me know. WP:NOTMEMORIAL and all that, but the guy's article could at least suck a little less. Thanks to tedder for spookily coincidentally being the one to semi-protect the article after premature reports that Vic had died, thus alerting me to the situation. Thanks! Katr67 ( talk) 01:15, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Do you know if the "floor area" param of Template:Infobox building is for a single floor, or for all floors? tedder ( talk) 05:05, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
So "what links here" doesn't show much, but I know we have a Central School District, as well as the one that is currently at that article. Can you organize and dab? I'm sure if OR and CA both have one, there are some elsewhere too. tedder ( talk) 01:01, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
( ←) At some point I got frustrated with the search box on Wikipedia, so I used that a basis for My custom search, which I think I tweaked to show more hits. Fewer steps and I can find talk page discussions more easily. I have a link to it stashed on my userpage and on my desk. I use it all the time. So I searched on "Central School District" + "List of school districts in". I noted there were a lot of "Foo Central School Districts" but I didn't want to go there. Katr67 ( talk) 16:53, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Hopefully not
too long, but basically, is there a MOS or guideline saying that "Foo (City, State)" is preferred for article titles over "Foo (State)"? I know the latter is in vogue, but not sure of MOS. Hoping to prevent
WP:CREEP by linking to existing policy that would cover school names, and I thought knew you'd know. You can reply here and I'll ferry over, if you'd rather not get involved.
tedder (
talk) 08:33, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
( ←) Exactly. I try to keep the mess down to a dull roar in Oregon. The rest of the wiki can go to Michigan. Katr67 ( talk) 18:40, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm adding more complex things to articles as I go, which I'm sure you've seen on your watchlist. The rest of it are extractions for me/you to add when we have time to word them properly. tedder ( talk) 21:41, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Cringing about this typo and the Alder, Oregon thing too. Thanks for keeping me honest on those. I'm working from my laptop, sure, that's excuse. tedder ( talk) 21:53, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Materialscientist ( talk) 12:00, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
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Thanks for leading the way in last week's Collaboration of the Week! For your work on that mecca of counter-culture. Aboutmovies ( talk) 10:48, 7 January 2010 (UTC) |
The first one is ~1100 words. Eesh. The rest are super-short.
Okay, I'm completely braindead now. Been working on this for 5 hours straight. tedder ( talk) 07:00, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
As I have invaded your solemn turf, as you may have noticed with your watchlist lighting up as bright as the Shilo Inn's headquarters on U.S. 26 at Christmas, I come seeking council on further diffusion of that category. Basically you have worked hard to get it over 400 articles, so I'm trying to get it down under 200. I hit the counties I figured had the largest number, but now I am at a point where I'm not sure which would be next. So please tell me which ones have the most from your work.
Also, I standardized the CDPs in the counties I have completed, placing them all in the unincorp cat as well as the CDP cat. Some had the unincorp in Oregon already there and others didn't, and I think it makes sense to have them in both as the CDP cat is a sister branch in the category tree and not a parent or child category. Thanks. Aboutmovies ( talk) 09:19, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Ah, you beat me to the article. Good work, I was still compiling research. I'll add it when I get it all together. About my photos, I would be more than willing to upload them. Keep up the good work. -- Brian Halvorsen ( talk) 18:52, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
While patrolling Category:Candidates for speedy deletion, I removed the db tag you placed on Pioneer Cemetery. You may be correct that this redirect is unwise (note that the creator of the page suggested it might eventually be converted to a dab page). But this isn't, IMO, within the narrow limits of the speedy deletion criteria. I would advise taking it to WP:RFD, unless you find enough other "Pioneer Cemetery" pages to construct a dab now. DES (talk) 18:53, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
OK, I was out getting pics of Gleenwood, Balm Grove, and Gales Creek. But, any idea what this "community" is at OR6 & OR8 south of Gleenwood? Unlike many of the names on a map but no community, this seems to be a community with no name on the map. It seems to far south of Gleenwood, and though some store signs say Gales Creek, it is far to north (I think they are referring to the actual stream across the road). Ditto with this cluster of houses on OR6 north of Balm Grove. Maybe Balm Grove North? Thanks with any assistance. Aboutmovies ( talk) 20:54, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
What's the relationship between the Oregon-American lumber company, the Oregon Lumber Company, the Sumpter Valley Railroad ( ISBN 9780738571256), the Oregon and California Railroad, the Oregon Central Railroad, and maybe even the Oregon Short Line Railroad? Page 3 seems to discuss it a bit, but .. I'm confused, I don't deal with ambiguity well. This article provides some color but is confusing (to me at least). tedder ( talk) 00:35, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Onto another topic. Books I have on order (the first one has arrived, haven't picked it up).
tedder ( talk) 03:19, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
( ←) Have you seen those Pete Frame "family tree" style charts of rock bands? I've been wishing someone would draw up something like that for all the railroads and their spawn. Katr67 ( talk) 22:30, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
( ←) I was going to make a Jolly Green Giant/corn niblets reference, but I got a little sidetracked to learn why sweet niblets redirects where it does. -- Esprqii ( talk) 23:33, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Per this, I added the county back, as well as cites to the necessary bits. Ideally, the county information would be moved out of the address and put as a regular field (similar to how the school district is shown). But since schools are tied to a city and a region, it makes sense (to me) to include the county- especially since the list dices them by county. Context is here. tedder ( talk) 08:04, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
-- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 15:43, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Whaddya know, I passed the Portland office of Amalgamated Sugar Company this morning. Didn't even know there was one. Actually, maybe I did, I think I've seen the silo from Lombard. Hmm. tedder ( talk) 19:21, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi,
I'll rewrite the page citing an obit. The man was my friend, I worked with him for 12 years. He really is dead, I'm sad to say!
Richard Weil ( talk) 04:31, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Just a heads-up, hoping you can watchlist those and step in. I have an awkward way of wording things.. for instance, look at the sentence about "American Beet Sugar Construction Company". tedder ( talk) 05:46, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
( ←) I was about to start in with a quick copyedit of ASCo., but I got confused with the first sentence in the history section. So before there was Amalgamated, there was Utah SC, etc., correct? Could clarify that a bit? Then I can work on the wording. Katr67 ( talk) 19:41, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Circular file. Also, when are you going to write about Timbuktu, Oregon, and is it even in OGN? If there was enough info it could make for some good DYK hooks. Aboutmovies ( talk) 08:07, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Maybe he was a vampire? No one is really sure how he got out. I think there was some kind of general amnesty after the war and lots of folks got out. I found one site that described it but it had that--hmm, not-so-reliable feeling. I'll see if I can track it down more. -- Esprqii ( talk) 03:46, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
So in conclusion, if we find a site that gives us that oogie "not so reliable feeling", there should be a product that would let us cleanse it of dubious info so we can use it as a citation. Katr67 ( talk) 07:13, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
The hard copy OHQ shows a map of the planned route of the OPRR with its terminus at Elk City on Yaquina Bay, rather than Yaquina. Thought that was interesting. There's not a ton of other interesting detail on the map, which shows the planned route from Elk City to Corvallis, then nestling through dales along the Santiam, Crooked, and Malheur Rivers, with some vague dotted lines to Boise and beyond. Anyway, I can scan you a copy if you're interested. -- Esprqii ( talk) 00:20, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Greetings WikiProject Oregon team member. Time for the first new Collaboration Of The Week in 2010. Thank you to those who worked on Bill Schonely and archiving talk pages. For this week, we have Concordia University and the Berry Botanic Garden. Hopefully we can mine the garden’s website before it closes down. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Cheers and stuff. Aboutmovies ( talk) 09:45, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Context: Oregon Public Utility Commission
Thanks for the message. As I am sure you have deduced I am totally new to this, whereas you are obviously a seasoned user.
I was tasked with creating a page for the Commission and was surprised to find it already existed. It was my intention to just add more content not step on anyone's toes. I have provided a photo of the PUC building in the Commons page called “PUC building 2” that could be used to replace the poor quality logo.
I presume I can create my own page as it appears other Commissions have done, however, I would prefer not to.
I am finding all of the posting protocols a tad confusing. I am not surprised that Wiki users are steadily declining as documented in recent news articles. I will continue to try and figure all this stuff out.
I am curious who created the page, is this part of the Oregon portal project? BY the way, KATR was the first radio station I worked for in Eugene many moons ago.
Pucguy ( talk) 18:11, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
( ←) OK, now I have had time to recall what I wrote previously. Again, thanks for getting in touch.
First, as you may have gathered from the edit summaries and my changes—it is not “your own page” nor is it the commission’s page. Please read about article ownership and also the business FAQ if you haven’t already. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, so that means the articles can’t use the first person plural and Wikipedia is also not to be used as a mirror site for your agency. What it can do is present factual information about the commission.
As far as I know, other commissions and agencies have not started articles on themselves. Actually, many of the members of WikiProject Oregon have an interest in government and politics, as well as open access to information, and want to make sure these topics get covered. Most of the state agency articles were created by a politically minded priest! I started an article on Hillcrest Youth Correctional Facility because I have a thing for the history of institutions. You can check the page history of any article to see who has created and contributed to it.
Some interns or employees have attempted to work on their agency’s Wikipedia articles. This is the general pattern I see: The intern or employee is given the task of improving the agency’s Wikpedia article. The person then copies and pastes info over the existing article directly from the agency’s Oregon.gov website, which destroys the existing formatting, interwiki links, and often the article’s neutral point-of-view, sometimes turning it into an advertisement for the agency. The changes get reverted, and sometimes for a day or two, discussion and collaboration takes place on the article’s talk page. At this point, the employee, who I think assumed s/he could whip out an article in half a day and be done with it, disappears, never to be heard from again. Another thing I’ve seen is people trying to remove negative information about the agency. If the negative information (for example the controversial ouster of a director) is neutrally worded and fully cited using reliable sources, and a notable part of the history of the agency, then it belongs in the article.
It’s true there are a lot of protocols, and I’m sorry if you find the place confusing. If we didn’t have policies and guidelines, the place would fill up with “naughty” words, external links and advertisements and be rendered completely useless as an encyclopedia in a very short time. I’m curious which article you’ve read about the downfall of Wikipedia. I’d say it’s more of a success than a failure. Please try to understand what we are doing here before you are too hasty in your assessment of our process—it’s certainly not as bad as the OARs! Oregon Wikipedia editors in particular have a reputation for quality work, so if you stick with us, you should see good results.
Anyway, the way to avoid stepping on toes is to: make sure this isn’t a role account—that is, not one that everyone in your office uses to edit Wikipedia, not insert “we” and “our” into the article about your agency, rewrite anything that comes from your website in your own words and in a neutral manner—this avoids copyright violation, as although it’s likely OK with the agency to reuse the content, dealing with permissions is a hassle, and besides, like I said, Wikipedia is not to be used as a mirror site for the agency—if the content is exactly the same, what is the point? Finally, if you’re unsure about the changes you want to make, they can be “workshopped” on the article’s talk page. And be patient, the Wikipedia process is a lot slower than what you might be used to.
It happens that Wikimedia’s public outreach officer is also a member of WikiProject Oregon and a politico, and he watches this page, so he may be able to offer some assistance. If you want to get started working on the OPUC page, we can take the discussion over there: Talk:Oregon Public Utility Commission. I checked briefly and the current info in the article that I have tagged for citations seemed well-paraphrased from the agency website, so the only thing we need is to add some references, which we can help you with. If you’re not too discouraged from everything I wrote above, let us know what else you would like to see there. I'll go take a look for that image, we could probably put it and the logo into a nifty "infobox".
Yes, my nickname comes indirectly from KATR’s previous incarnation as a country music station in Eugene! Cheers, Katr67 ( talk) 18:55, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Friday Funnies: oh, why have I not enjoyed the wonder that is Conservapedia ("The Trustworthy Encyclopedia") before this? Who knew all that about conifer/ fir/ fur trees before??? -- Esprqii ( talk) 00:15, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
I did not change the citation because the population estimate is from the PSU population survey and that is what is referenced in the current citation. Please change the area and density back to what I changed them to. I am a City planner and I changed it after revising the calculations in my GIS system at work. Reverting the data is not helping the cause as the updated information is all correct and verified.
Thanks,
KOJR ( talk) 06:47, 23 January 2010 (UTC)KOJR
Howdy WikiProject Oregon folks, time again for the latest installment of As the Collaboration Of The Week Turns. Last week was one of the more successful COTWs in recent memory as we really worked hard as a community to improve Concordia University and Berry Botanic Garden. Both are now at least C class articles and nicely illustrated (thanks to Tedder, Finetooth, and Ipoellet). Plus it really was a group effort as we had five different WPORE editors work on the garden and ditto with the school, with some overlap between the two.
Anyway, this week, we have by request the completely unrelated Just Out and Terrell Brandon. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. This message paid for by Fooians against COTW killing taxes. Aboutmovies ( talk) 09:26, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
Context: I once Dabbed Hood River on that page.
Hi. You may wish to participate in the proposal to add an external link to this article Talk:Kitesurfing_locations, Regards Peter Campbell 01:12, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. Your redlinks were the prompt. I've been collecting (mostly used) copies of books like MacColl's (and the Gaston book is all on-line), which is making it easier to find sources for these old dead guys. The image isn't terrific, and I can't think of a good hook for a DYK. Finetooth ( talk) 21:29, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
You should have seen the cute little book I got some history from. It was a 1951 book, basically written by "sister so-and-so" and "brother so-and-so", more about who got their minor boy scout ranks than anything serious, but it definitely filled it out nicely.
Sheesh, all of this is Oregon related. Almost. tedder ( talk) 06:27, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
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Uh-oh, something just got bumped to the top of your heap! -- Esprqii ( talk) 01:25, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Hello, you posted on my talk page and offered to give me advice, so here I am asking for some.
I saw this list of resources: List of search engines
And I believe the page/site I created recently GetEducated.com belongs on that list. So my questions are
1) Is the proper thing for me to do suggest that it be added to this list on that list's discussion page? Or just go ahead and add it myself?
And
2) It doesn't fit under any of the current categories, as it is a search engine for information about online schools and degrees (provides cost information as well as independent ratings and reviews). Could you recommend a category? And if I can think of an appropriate one, would I suggest that also on the discussion page?
I have COI, of course, but even without the job here I believe the site is a unique and valuable reference tool that really helps people.
Thank you for your time, -- Immaletufinish ( talk) 19:19, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi there, my social security number is 123-45-6789, my date of birth is April 1, 1950, and my bank account number is 5551212. Can you please make sure that all my money goes into my new account. Please initial in this box [___] when you complete the transaction. Love, Aunt Betty -- Esprqii ( talk) 18:51, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
The DYK project ( nominate) 18:00, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
I'm doing this for a school project, had no interest in this at all, only doing it for the grade. Had no Idea about the rules. I am the rescource for the information as I lived their from the third grade on until the early 1990's. I did post a article from the Eugene Registar Guard supporting my information about the residents not getting along well. Live and Learn. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimmyz1364 ( talk • contribs) 02:09, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Can you suggest a better DYK item for Amalgamated? At the very least, can you clean up the suggestion I gave? ("in..in") tedder ( talk) 20:29, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
The three revert rule did cross my mind, but I am not the only one reverting. Tedder is also reverting and you should warn him too. Being an admin should not exempt him from the three revert rule. Mr. C.C. ( talk) 19:07, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi Katr, I'd just like to say thanks for reverting the vandalism on my talk page.-- Henry talk 23:36, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Leave my Astoria Regional Airport edit alone. That is a completely legitimate addition to that page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael.tofte ( talk • contribs) 00:32 13 February 2010
Donald Macleay got a DYK on Feb. 13 with the hook you suggested. Finetooth ( talk) 04:43, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Hi Katr: Thanks for noticing my creation of the article for KSKQ-LP. I could not be more neutral, since I am an outsider from Manitoba, Canada, and have only traveled through the area of Ashland, OR once in my life (47 years ago, I might add). So why you would say that this article is not neutral, I can't figure out. However, if it helps I will try to be even more neutral than I am already, without becoming Swiss or Swedish in the process. Thanks for trolling along the Wikipedia highway. Skol fir ( talk) 22:03, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Investigate for notability? Caroline B Miller tedder ( talk) 17:32, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Good catch on the source of his images! I hadn't noticed that. All I saw was the commercial nature of the spam links. I think uploading the public domain images or linking directly to the Library of Congress page, rather than to a commercially-oriented site, is a great idea. I don't have a watchlist, but I do occasionally (days or weeks later) review my previous edits to see what has happened since I last edited the articles. Hopefully I'll see some edits from you on those articles when I next check them. Take care, and happy editing! 152.16.16.75 ( talk) 10:24, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns which you can see at Talk:Willamette University College of Law/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells ( talk) 15:19, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
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ur right about kip or kipland! i ve deleted the section .. keep up the good work!! 21:21, 24 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mydreamistofly ( talk • contribs)
Greetings fellow WikiProject Oregon member, it is once again time for the Collaboration of the Week (yes, I know they are not actually every week anymore). Thank you to those who helped out the last few weeks improving Terrell Brandon, Just Out, 75th Oregon Legislative Assembly, and all the unreferenced BLPs. This week we have by request Oregon Coast Aquarium and Arvydas Sabonis (maybe the Blazers can sign him as I think he's healthy). Both need more sourcing. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. And remember folks, the only thing we have to fear is death and taxes, unless of course the dingo ate your baby, at which point you may feel the need, the for speed to get away from said dingos, which in turn can lead to a failure to communicate due to the dynamics of sound waves, though at some point hopefully we can all just get along. Aboutmovies ( talk) 09:07, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Hello WikiProject Oregon member, time for a new edition of the Collaboration of the Week. Thank you to those who helped out the last few weeks improving Oregon Coast Aquarium and Arvydas Sabonis. Also thank you to those few of you helped with the attempt to celebrate Women's History Month with Barbara Roberts and Ursula K. Le Guin.
This week we have by request the Memorial Coliseum that has been in the news a lot lately, and then one of the more important political figures in our state's history, Douglas McKay. The MC needs some ref work and EL work, and McKay really needs a lot more sourcing. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies ( talk) 20:03, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
I hear-bye propose Katr67 be recalled from her Wikibreak and ordered to resume writing about obscure small villages and hamlets. Please sign below:
( ←) I'm saying I may have had a little too much Zinfandel and it's just a teensy bit possible my {{cn}}-o-meter and WP:OWN-o-rama are slightly off. And yes, a hard town is ::heheheheheh:: good to find. Katr67 ( talk) 05:39, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi, Aboutmovies, Katr67 and Tedder, It's Ross Degenstein. List of cities in Oregon in 1970-2008 Today I edited in But, I cannot edit in any Oregon. Katr67 said no. Tedder blocked me 3 months ago. Ross Degenstein ( talk) 96.3.201.230 ( talk) 22:59, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Your back is fine. I think. Since you've left I've read through a couple of MacColl books and started doing quite a bit of bicycling (every other day, working on hillclimbing now). And you've already caused a LOL. Nice work. tedder ( talk) 06:01, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi Katr,
Sorry about the tone of the Bayocean article. Probably like most folks, I have more experience with general edits then with writing articles from scratch. I just felt the location needed an article, even if it was just a rough start. Let me know if there is anything specific you would like me to tidy up. :) Buddy23Lee ( talk) 17:52, 8 April 2010 (UTC)