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The documentation for this parameter says Place of birth: city, administrative region, country
This can be read several ways:
So what is it? (I'm only really asking about #3)
Can I use Example text
for instance, or does the documentation tell me "leave blank unless full details are known (verified etc)" such as Example text
. Is there a general principle to follow (not just WP:BOLD)? I fully realize we can't specify ultra-general rules for each and every param.
A formal question: Can I partially fill fields, and what policy or guideline governs your answer (if contested by other users)?
Of course, feel free to consider this input on how to improve/clarify the template documentation.
CapnZapp ( talk) 09:15, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
For some categories of historical people (in particular), it is common to know their baptismal date but not their birth date (
Shakespeare and contemporaries is the exempli gratia). The corollary to this is that we know exactly which church they were baptised in but not their place of birth (with any meaningful precision). This template supports |baptism=
for giving the date, but not the equivalent param of |birth_place=
. This breaks the two datums up into separate blocks when rendered and is potentially misleading: the geographic location of the birth and baptism is not necessarily the same (and both, either, or none may be known). --
Xover (
talk) 16:22, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
The parameter quote, would give the option of showing a quote in the infobox of a person, the quote would be located between post-nominals and the image. The quote parameter can be used for the most notable quote of the person. Many authors, politicians, athletes and scientist have one defining quote above all others that could be showcased with the infobox. Would adding this parameter be a good idea? RBJ~nlwiki ( talk) 20:44, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi, it would be really good to add "Tribe" to the full parameters. In New Zealand it is really common to mention a Maori person's tribe (iwi) when writing about them, and it is usually a major part of their identity. I would guess that this is also the case for many other indigenous peoples. I didn't want to go make the change myself as I'm sure you get a lot of people messing around with this infobox. Helenalex ( talk) 21:56, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
After a bunch of testing in the sandbox, I have changed some of this template's <span>...</span>
tags to <div>...</div>
tags in order to fix
Linter div-span-flip errors (a div tag inside of a span tag, which is invalid HTML).
As far as I can tell from my testing, the infobox should look the same in all articles before and after this change. That said, WP editors are endlessly creative in their use of template parameters, and with 300,000 transclusions, there are bound to be a few unexpected side effects. Please post here if you notice anything unusual or bad happening after this change. Thanks! – Jonesey95 ( talk) 16:42, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
<br>
tags inserted by that template. You either have to use spans or don't use {{
Br separated entries}} – simply abutting the divs will produce separate lines in that case. --
RexxS (
talk) 02:32, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
What are you supposed to do if the exact year a person was born is unknown? I was trying to put an infobox on the article Lawrence Sheriff, but I'm confused as to how to make it work. G-13114 ( talk) 02:09, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
{{circa|1650}}
which gives
c. 1450.Now that TemplateStyles has been implemented, an inline list using comma separators is now available:
{{cslist |First |second |third item}}
→ That looks like a prose list but is marked up as a horizontal unbulleted list so that a screen reader will treat it as it does any other list.
I suggest that we could now profitably replace the current guidance
An entry of two or three very short items that will all fit on one line can be done simply with commas:
|parameter_name=Foo, bar, baz
(use semicolons if any items contain their own commas).
with something such as:
Either mid-dots or commas are available as separators, for example:
|parameter_name={{hlist |Foo |bar |baz}}
→
- Foo
- bar
- baz
|parameter_name={{cslist |Foo |bar |baz}}
→
- Foo
- bar
- baz
Although that doesn't include the advice about using semicolons – does that happen often enough to be worth keeping? What do others think? -- RexxS ( talk) 22:27, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
There are
several pages which have a value for |parents=
(mainly in this template) beginning with a number.
|parents=2
(no other information)?Jc86035 ( talk) 14:02, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Names of parents; include only if they are independently notable or particularly relevant.A number leading the parameter's value is very likely to be an error, as is a lower-case letter. The category should also apply the same test to
|mother=
and |father=
. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 14:59, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
hastemplate:
in the search often leads to better results. Searching on hastemplate:infobox person insource:parents insource:/| *parents *= *[0-9]/
doesn't time out for me and yields 4 results at present. That's only for {{
infobox person}}, but it's easy enough to run other searches on other relevant templates. --
RexxS (
talk) 18:26, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Per Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2019_February_6#Alma_mater, request to link the label " Alma mater" in fully protected infoboxes Person, Writer, Scientist, Artist, Philosopher and Officeholder : Bhunacat10 (talk), 11:54, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
"I've also removed the italics and link from alma mater per the discussion on the other talk page and MOS". The other talk page was presumably Template talk:Infobox person/Archive 20 #Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2013, but there's no discussion there. I also can't find anything relevant in Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Archive 150, which covers the time of the removal. The editor Technical 13 is blocked, so is unlikely to be able to give us the reason for the de-linking.
I want to add a new parameter. It should be called "associated with" I want this because I want to add the List of people associated with Anne Frank to Anne Frank's infobox as a nice touch. but there is nowhere to put it. AdrianWikiEditor ( talk) 22:29, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
Yeah I guess it is pretty vague. I feel like it would be nice to have a less vague version. Would be nice to have a friends parameter or really anything that is not biologically related. AdrianWikiEditor ( talk) 00:54, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
"Only if independently notable themselves or particularly relevant. Number of children (e.g., three), or list of names if notable." Are those last two words a qualification only for adding a list of names? This seems to slightly contradict the first sentence. which is a general guideline for either number or names? Martinevans123 ( talk) 17:04, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Typically the number of children (e.g., three); only list names of independently notable or particularly relevant children.– Jonesey95 ( talk) 19:02, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
"In tables and infoboxes, quantities are expressed in figures", so I've amended the documentation to comply with MOS. -- RexxS ( talk) 01:56, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Why did |honorific_prefix=
and |honorific_suffix=
become |pre-nominals=
and |post-nominals=
, when most other biographical infoboxes use the former names?
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 16:38, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
|honorific prefix=
, |honorific_prefix=
, |honorific-prefix=
and |pre-nominals=
as the same thing and similarly for |honorific suffix=
, etc. It's just that the documentation only mentions pre- and post-nominals. I don't recall any discussion on favouring any particular form, so it may have just been an arbitrary choice by whoever wrote the documentation (which may have been me, so it really would have been arbitrary). However, I seem to think that parameter names with underscores have been deprecated in favour of ones with hyphens – or was it the other way round? or did I imagine it?Why isn't there a "language(s) spoken" section for this template? I feel like it'd be a useful piece of information to know. While this may often be easy to make an educated guess on when reading an article, even when articles make no reference to what language a person speaks/spoke, it can often be ambiguous, especially for older historical figures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kankyaku ( talk • contribs) 19:30, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
I agree.. I would find this most interesting, particularly for world leaders. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Genetikbliss ( talk • contribs) 16:13, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
I'm having a problem at the Silver Quilty article, where both the parent infobox and the child module are displaying the photo entered. I can't figure out why. Can anyone here help? Thanks. Flibirigit ( talk) 19:06, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
|image=
to the article to suppresses the second image, and updated the template documentation. --
RexxS (
talk) 19:49, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
I've seen plenty of times that people are reffered to commonly by shorter version of their full names, while their full names are not equivalent to the birth names. For example,
Angela Merkel has the birth name "Angela Dorothea Kasner", while her full name nowadays is "Angela Dorothea Merkel". In some cases, the full name is just stuffed into |other_names=
, which does not appear as a clean solution to me. I thus wondered whether it would make sense to add a parameter |full_name=
to the infobox, which would only be used if it its content would not equal to that of |birth_name=
(or vice-versa), which in turn should already stay empty when it would be equal to |name=
. Thoughts?
Lordtobi (
✉) 09:27, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
other_names
because it is another name. We should not be creating more parameters when we already have a perfectly good place to put married names like "Angela Dorothea Merkel" – assuming that's important enough to be a "key fact" and therefore included in the infobox. But it's beyond me how anyone can fail to work out that if
Angela Merkel's full maiden name (i.e. birth name) was "Angela Dorothea Kasner", then her full married name would be "Angela Dorothea Merkel". Do we really need to explicitly do that working out for them? --
RexxS (
talk) 14:11, 21 March 2019 (UTC)This
edit request to
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Please add /* {{pp-template}} */
to the top of the page per
Wikipedia:TemplateStyles#Guidelines since the page is template-protected. Thanks, --
DannyS712 (
talk) 00:33, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
In accordance with rendering in Template:Infobox family, could we have titles and styles collected to each other (both honorifics), and also in plural? PPEMES ( talk) 10:51, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
Category:Pages to import images to Wikidata, which is populated by this template, has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 01:03, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
This
edit request to
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Please remove
<!-- -->{{#if:{{{image|}}}|{{#if:{{#property:P18}}||[[Category:Pages to import images to Wikidata]]}}}}
since I have just closed the CfD for that category as delete - see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 7#Category:Pages to import images to Wikidata. Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 11:43, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Should the number count for |children=
include all children (both alive and deceased)? Documentation doesn't say.
Jason Quinn (
talk) 05:51, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
Since the template has a "disappeared" field, how are we handling persons who reappeared? Should there be a field for that, or are we just generally removing disappearance info when that is the case? -- Kendrick7 talk 23:07, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
First of all I hope that with this discussion page I have a suitable place for my next request. Otherwise, please let me know where this discussion is better located. As I see this as a general question, I have chosen this position.
About my idea: Since Wikipedia is one of the best known sources of information, wouldn't it make sense to include (active) social media accounts (Twitter, Instagram, Facebook) of people in their info boxes? Are there any legal problems? Of course, this should be done according to a uniform scheme. I am grateful for further suggestions. Should this idea be adopted, a transformation into foreign-language Wikipedia articles would also be considered. --R eddiotos (discussion) 16:22, 01. May 2019 (CEST)
If I recall, there was a discussion somewhere that resulted in consensus to not include an article's subject's death date in the spouse=
parameter if the subject of the infobox passed away while married. Is that still the case? And if so, could this template's documentation please be updated to reflect that?
Steel1943 (
talk) 01:45, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Is it not worth taking the huge comments out the template. Why are they even in when they are already covered in documentation section. They must be manually removed which is time consuming when the template is used. scope_creep Talk 18:23, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
|name=
. IMO these are worth retaining in general; given the number of additions that already don't comply with the template documentation, anything that can potentially stem that tide seems worthwhile. However, open to discussion around specific examples that may need to be tweaked or removed.
Nikkimaria (
talk) 22:12, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
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These aliases:
Add | Current |
---|---|
conviction | criminal_charge |
conviction_penalty | criminal_penalty |
conviction_status | criminal_status |
– MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 00:31, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
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Add alias embed
for parameter child
, i.e. change two parameter substitutions from {{{child|}}}
to {{{child|{{{embed|}}}}}}
or {{{embed|{{{child|}}}}}}
. I saw an example of embedding in the documentation of parameters module*, and
incorrectly assumed, that parameter embed
is also already present in the template and it is a new name for deprecated parameter child
. It seems that parameter child
is marked as deprecated not for the sake of deprecation, but for discouragement of its use by incompetent editors, which confused me. —
andrybak (
talk) 07:26, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
{{#ifeq:{{{child|}}}|...
near the bottom of the template, around invocation of {{
Wikidata image}}. —
andrybak (
talk) 08:03, 19 June 2019 (UTC)Came here because in an article there's been back-n-forth over whether to include 'Brooklyn' in |birth_place= . That pair of changes is just a recent example there.
So wondering at this nit I thought of checking (you guessed it) Donald Trump. I really don't care about the larger issues (state, country, planet) but do care about the smaller bit - 'Queens'. As one comment had it (and yes, comparing with Barack Obama) Honolulu at 360,000 population is a close identification of 'place', but just "New York City" at 8,400,000 is not zeroing in nearly as well as Queens at 2,400,000 population.
I see discussions all over the place in the archives. And with some disparagement of local consensuses such as at Donald Trump. In scanning through the discussions I can't find a final decision regarding large subdivisions within city. Brooklyn and Queens are unwieldy but they aren't unnecessary. Shenme ( talk) 06:08, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Any chance of getting a field for a subject's tribe? Tribal affiliation is a major part of identity for many indigenous people, so it would be good to be able to list it in the infobox. Helenalex ( talk) 22:02, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
raw output | |
---|---|
Website | www.surprisinglylongfacultywebpagename/longurlname/peoplewhoworkhere?name=thenameoftheperson |
Using set-width <div> | |
---|---|
Website | www.surprisinglylongfacultywebpagename/longurlname/peoplewhoworkhere?name=thenameoftheperson |
Using {{
URL}} | |
---|---|
Website |
www |
I've noticed that some infoboxes end up becoming too wide if a long url is included as the website name. Could a default max-width and wrap be introduced (I guess with a manual override option for if it's really necessary). T.Shafee(Evo&Evo) talk 06:27, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
{{URL}}
to
Template:Infobox person/Wikidata would trim the https:// from the output, and wrap the URL where possible.
Frietjes (
talk) 13:15, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
{{
URL}}
around the |website=
parameter in relevant templates like {{
infobox_person}}
?
T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)
talk 01:07, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Possible edit from:
| data70 = {{{website|{{{homepage|{{{URL|{{{url|}}}}}}}}}}}}
| data70 = {{url|1={{{website|{{{homepage|{{{URL|{{{url|}}}}}}}}}}}} }}
| data70 = <div style="width:200px;word-wrap:break-word;">{{{website|{{{homepage|{{{URL|{{{url|}}}}}}}}}}}}</div>
Option 1 has the benefit of taking advantage of the {{
URL}}
template's additional formatting features, but if any editor has already used {{
URL}}
in the parameter of the {{
infobox person}}
(|website={{
URL}}
) this the nested {{
URL}}
templates will misformat. What do people reckon?
T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)
talk 00:33, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
|noicon=true
in that line if the intention is to wrap the entire field in {{
URL2}}. The small loss of editing functionality is probably not worth worrying about. --
RexxS (
talk) 18:38, 15 July 2019 (UTC)I recently removed |children=0
from an instance of this template and was
reverted on the basis that "Document says give a number, I put 0 and frankly "none" looked better. Not having children is significant information. How to differentiate it from the fact that the information isn't simply missing? Is "0" the recommended choice here?" (Courtesy ping
Usedtobecool). What are people's thoughts on this? My inclination is that it is appropriate to omit in the case of a null value - for example, we wouldn't want to be throwing in |death_date=hasn't died yet
, |criminal_charge=none
, |spouse=none
etc even though those are all "significant information" - but open to other opinions.
Nikkimaria (
talk) 12:32, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
|children=not too sure how many
(not that any particular Prime Minister springs to mind).
Martinevans123 (
talk) 13:47, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Gillard's infobox could properly show |children=none
; it's a sourced and notable fact. I'm perturbed by the use of "null value". IMO that's an undefined, empty, or meaningless value. Here, "0" (or "none") is exactly not that. If infoboxes are a summary of pertinent facts, this ought to be included when warranted in individual cases. --
Michael Bednarek (
talk) 03:33, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
There's an on-going, slow-motion edit war going on at Lucy Boynton over listing her partner in the infobox. How long does a relationship need to be officially established for it to be included? I couldn't find any details on the matter. on camera 21:10, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
Could a pronoun infobox field be added? With more people using neutral pronouns it would be a helpful reference point for both future editors and readers of the page. Lewishhh ( talk) 15:09, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
We get regular requests to add a new parameter to this infobox, sometimes for use in only a handful of articles. It would be possible to add a generic "extra parameter" field by passing its label and value to the infobox module, for example by adding to the template something like:
| label63 = {{{extralabel|}}}
| data63 = {{{extravalue|}}}
That would allow editors to create their own custom field by using those in an article; for example, something like:
| extralabel = Pronouns
| extravalue = they/them
This would move responsibility for the extra field to the editor, rather than the template designer.
Now, I'm not very keen on the idea, personally, because of the possibility of misuse (although a tracking category could easily be added). Nevertheless I raise the issue because other editors might find it a useful option. What do others think? -- RexxS ( talk) 20:40, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
|extralabel=Dog's name
|extravalue=Fido
. To see what happens with a real case of free-form parameters, see how the "blank fields" of {{
infobox settlement}}
get used. There's no control. --
Redrose64 🌹 (
talk) 09:16, 27 November 2019 (UTC)Agnes Geijer is being placed in Category:Articles with missing wikidata information rather than Category:Articles with missing Wikidata information (capitalising Wikidata) and I assume it's something to do with this template being called but can't see immediately where it's happening. Can someone help? Le Deluge ( talk) 12:43, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Template:infobox officeholder does not show the string native_name if the native_name parameter is filled; instead it shows that native name in a similar fashion (centred, bold, large font) to the English transliteration, without telling the reader that it is a "native name" (the reader will presumably infer this without having to be told, as s/he also has to infer from the English transliteration of the name).
It seems to me that in Template:infobox person, writing the string native_name explicitly violates WP:BLP for many of our articles whose subjects are living people, for obvious reasons of colonial history and some of the connotations of "native" being pejorative. I propose that at least for the moment we make the minimal edit from: | label1 = Native name
to | label1 = In other words, we leave the label blank. Or we could use something like the officeholder code, if it applies without too much change: | subheaderstyle = font-size:125%; font-weight:bold; | subheader = {{#ifeq:{{lc:{{{embed}}}}}|yes||{{#if:{{{native_name|}}}|<div class="nickname" {{#if {{{native_name_lang|}}}|lang="{{{native_name_lang}}}"}}>{{{native_name}}}</div>}}}} An example to check right now is Seham Sergiwa, a psychologist who happens to also be a member of parliament, so Infobox person is her main template, infobox officeholder is a module. She's hopefully still a living person, although chances are she was assassinated (see the article for details). Boud ( talk) 22:44, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
|local_name=
were used instead of |native_name=
.
Frietjes (
talk) 15:31, 15 November 2019 (UTC)The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance.— Bagumba ( talk) 05:24, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
Summary: The
Village pump proposal got comments, overt support from several people, and only mild opposition.
Could someone with technical access please make the changes? Either my minimal edit (leave label1 blank) or a better formatted equivalent. Thanks. Boud ( talk) 22:49, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
This is just a pointer to Template_talk:Infobox_person#Let's_not_insult_the_natives_(BLP) above, which after giving plenty of time for discussion appears ready for someone with editing access to act on. Boud ( talk) 22:51, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
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The minimal edit request is to change from:
| label1 = Native name
to
| label1 =
in order to avoid the risk of the label being perceived as insulting (colonial) (BLP issue) and/or because the rendered result looks better without the label.
For a more detailed discussion see
Template_talk:Infobox_person#Let's_not_insult_the_natives_(BLP) and the discussion
at village pump, which got comments, overt support from several people, and only mild opposition. One month is plenty of time for anyone to lodge serious objections if there were any. A more sophisticated, stylish way of implementing this BLP fix is possible too - I'm requesting a minimal version that is fairly sure to work.
Boud (
talk) 10:20, 14 December 2019 (UTC) (copyedit
Boud (
talk) 10:21, 14 December 2019 (UTC))
|honorific_suffix=
is specified?—
Bagumba (
talk) 23:42, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
|native_name_lang=
missing; the rendered output looks the same to me, but the source html has lang="ar" missing. For the sake of readers for whom these hidden attributes are important, I guess a warning in red could be given when editing if |native_name_lang=
is missing - or else robots could add those in later.
Boud (
talk) 00:03, 15 December 2019 (UTC)Administrator note I find there is consensus for this change. RexxS above questions how the change will look in child infoboxes, and I just wanted to confirm that this has been addressed. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 10:31, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
| data1 = {{#if:{{{child|}}}{{{embed|}}} || {{#if:{{{native_name|}}}|<div class="nickname" {{#if:{{{native_name_lang|}}}|lang="{{{native_name_lang}}}"}}>{{{native_name}}}</div>}} }}
will suppress the field if the parameters |child=
or |embed=
have values – you could refine it by testing for the parameters having the value "yes", which
Module:Infobox tests for. However, I'm not sure if that's always going to be a good idea, because it presupposes that the parent infobox processes the |native_name=
parameter. As we don't know which parent infobox may be used (and that's open-ended), that presupposition may not always be true. --
RexxS (
talk) 03:11, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
|native_name=
parameter from Infobox person display anywhere within the rendered Infobox person template will be useful in achieving that goal. I welcome a test case that shows that I am incorrect, as I may be misunderstanding the goal, the technical function of the infobox, or both. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 04:31, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Done. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 04:57, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
I'm proposing we remove the Weight parameter from this infobox. Weight is almost never an encyclopedic, it can rarely be properly sourced to reliable sources, is often the source of fierce and pointless edit wars (see the recent edit history of Brendan Schaub) and, worst of all, it changes frequently during the subject's life. Which weight is this parameter meant to record? Because it's meaning isn't specified, it is almost impossible to populate this parameter in a verifiable way. I think it causes plenty of trouble without adding value and should be removed. It appears it was added here during the infobox actor merge, and looking through the talk page archive it's addition was never discussed and has always been controversial. Thoughts? The Mirror Cracked ( talk) 21:31, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
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Please change the label "Criminal charge" to "Criminal charge(s)" (or "Criminal charges") and the variable "Criminal_charge" to "Criminal_charges". This is necessary because criminals are often charged with multiple serious crimes. 12:22, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
{{
edit template-protected}}
template.
Sceptre (
talk) 07:04, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Should the label "Criminal charge" be changed to "Criminal charge(s)" (or "Criminal charges") and should the parameter variable "Criminal_charge" be changed to "Criminal_charges"? -
Mr
X 🖋 13:08, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
|module=
, and have it be consistent with {{
Infobox criminal}}. Ibx criminal currently shows "Criminal charge". Not saying that is right, but we should not
reinvent the wheel, whatever direction we decide to take. Embedding the template ensures a solution only needs to be implemented once, and not have to propagated to multiple other templates. It ensures consistency.—
Bagumba (
talk) 09:06, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
|Criminal_charge=
- there is |criminal charge=
and its alias, |criminal_charge=
- parameter names are case-sensitive. If we change these to |Criminal charge(s)=
/|Criminal charges=
and |Criminal_charges=
respectively, existing uses will break. This is why I want to see exactly what is intended in the sandbox. --
Redrose64 🌹 (
talk) 11:02, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
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Please change the label "Criminal charge" to "Criminal charge(s)" (or "Criminal charges") and the parameter "criminal_charge" to "criminal_charges" per the results of the RfC above. Please test in the template's /sandbox or /testcases subpages as appropriate. - Mr X 🖋 12:10, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
Some recent edits at
Template:Infobox person/doc added some extra autovalue
and suggested
fields. They apparently cause editors using the visual editor to add extra infobox entries such as in
diff which added caption + birth_name + birth_date + birth_place with no useful information. I changed the entry for birth_date because I do not think we should encourage people to add such information unless it is reliably sourced. What about the others? Is it useful for that bloat to build up?
Johnuniq (
talk) 08:44, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
{{
special}}
here, it has an optional parameter, and IIRC (after four years) that's just not suggested, let alone required. –
84.46.53.221 (
talk) 04:30, 13 January 2020 (UTC)The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The |residence=
parameter of the {{
Infobox person}} instructions say: "Location(s) where the person notably resides/resided, if different from birthplace." Assuming all information is sourced, how should this parameter correctly be used:
Thanks, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 06:26, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance.The nature to which they might strongly be tied to a particular location outside of their birthplace should be obvious in the body, if not the lead.— Bagumba ( talk) 11:11, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
hastemplate:"infobox person" insource:/residence *= *[A-Za-z\[]/
) shows 36,844 results, but it might have missed a few (like {{
plainlist}}); there are at least 766 uses of the parameter with a blank value. --
RexxS (
talk) 23:43, 5 November 2019 (UTC)As a first step I've commented out the parameter in the template and removed it as valid in the check. That leaves us with a temporary marker where the parameter was, just in case. At some future point that can safely be removed.
I think I've removed from the documentation all mentions of residence that need to be removed.
There are still over 38,000 pages in Category:Infobox person using residence, so there's some clean-up to do, but it's obviously not urgent. It will show up as an unknown parameter in preview mode, so it will eventually be eliminated, but if anybody wants to do a bot run, that would speed things up substantially. -- RexxS ( talk) 22:24, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
There is still documentation in wrapper templates (e.g. {{
infobox artist}}
to update. Is anyone going to find all of these?
MB 05:16, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
Should there be a discussion somewhere about removing |residence=
from other infoboxes? I just ran across {{
Infobox Twitch streamer}}
and there are probably others. {{
Infobox officeholder}}
has it, but that is so common maybe it should have its own discussion.
MB 21:53, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
I disagree with the idea of mutilating 38,000 BLPs, and let folks clean it up over the next decades as they see fit, because my suggestion to replace all "residence" by "home town" with a bot failed miserably in my 3rd manual attempt, a province is no town. – 84.46.53.207 ( talk) 18:39, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
{{
infobox YouTube personality}}
has a residence, just seen on
Hannah Witton. –
84.46.53.221 (
talk) 04:24, 13 January 2020 (UTC)I have seen a problem on this is site, but when i click edit source button on some page and make some edits on the same page and click show preview it shows that there is a warning message like on many another pages on this site. So it is unlikely that the "residence" parameter will be restored anytime soon, thank you. Salomeeaalexandru899 ( talk) 14:10, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Why is it that there's a |signature=
parameter? I feel like this opens up a whole host of identity theft problems and I can't see how it's encyclopedic to include. —
Joeyconnick (
talk) 03:11, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I think revealing someone's salary in the infobox is quiet disrespectful. In many cultures, asking about someone's salary is considered disrespectful. I think it is too personal and too private. Therefore, I think it should be removed from the infobox.-- SharabSalam ( talk) 23:45, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
Removed.— Bagumba ( talk) 10:54, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
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Add brother property for the Person template nOman 18:23, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
|relatives=
parameter. –
Deacon Vorbis (
carbon •
videos) 18:28, 29 January 2020 (UTC)This RfC has been running for a while but input has dropped off, and right now it's about an even split between the guidelines a) saying nothing at all about the matter, or b) saying to avoid putting the same country in two or three infobox parameters (the other options in the RfC have attracted nearly no support). It's not going to be a useful outcome (just another RfC again some time later) if this closes with "no consensus", so this tie needs to be broken – with good reasoning, not with WP:JUSTAVOTE of course. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 03:48, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi all, it appears that since the |death_date=
and |death_place=
parameters are marked as suggested parameters, unsuspecting Visual Editor users are adding these blank parameters all over the place. Two examples
here and
here. I'm not a big fan of having Visual Editor users unsuspectingly making AWB-like edits. It also seems fairly unnecessary to have these empty parameters in infoboxes where they could remain for 0-100 years; undoubtedly someone will add them when a subject dies. Is this something that can be turned off? Is there consensus for these parameters to be added by default? I opened a discussion at the Visual Editor talk space, but was directed back here. Thanks!
Cyphoidbomb (
talk) 19:11, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
I agree with Cyphoidbomb and Johnuniq. This should be disabled. I'm not sure that any unfilled parameters should be added without explicit editor intent. - Mr X 🖋 13:46, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
The infobox renders the label for Amateur radio Call-sign but the article title is Call sign with the hyphenated version as a redirect. I propose that the hyphen in the template be replaced with a space for consistency. -- mikeu talk 12:45, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
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Hello! Thanks in advance for reviewing this request. In the interest of facilitating research and journalistic (investigative/fact-checking) work on historical figures via archival institutions, I'm requesting an "Archives at" parameter which could also draw from the corresponding Wikidata property: archives at (P485). Here's an example of one such Wikidata-integrated infobox on the Catalan Wikipedia for Ella Maillart. The template used here is: Plantilla:Infotaula persona
I noticed that a similar suggestion was raised in early December. That suggestion doesn't seem to have gone anywhere. MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE was cited as a reason to be wary of such a change (although the commenter didn't "object to it per se"), implying that archival material data is not a "key fact" that should be captured in the infobox. This is not a comprehensive evaluation for two reasons.
First, archives, where available, hold the sources that help researchers and journalists verify facts about the notable figure in question. This means that while archival detail does not necessarily appear in the body of an article, it nonetheless serves as a key piece of information at a more active level of research—and in that way functions as a key "meta-fact" on a notable figure). Second, institution-level efforts such as this one ( Wikidata:WikiProject Archival Description) are increasingly making use of Wikidata, because it helps researchers to be able to query archival information and because Wikidata specifies a single point of entry that can be updated when institutional details change (without needing to manually edit every relevant Wikipedia-end entry...). If archival detail continues to be limited to Wikipedia's external links without Wikipedia-Wikidata integration, we risk making a lot of effort redundant over time.
Concretely, the request is to:
Thanks! Utl jung ( talk) 20:17, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
{{
edit template-protected}}
template. Two editors objected mildly to a similar suggestion in December. You need consensus. This might work better as a dedicated Wikidata-based template that can be placed in the External links section of appropriate articles. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 21:38, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
can anyone explain, why "Infobox person/Wikidata" gives no fields, eg with article of Haljand Udam:
{{Infobox person/Wikidata | fetchwikidata=ALL|onlysourced=no}} {{Infobox writer/Wikidata | fetchwikidata=ALL|onlysourced=no}}
-- Estopedist1 ( talk) 10:58, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
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Can you please add the below grandchildren as my dad the person the page is about would love to see them on there.
Liam Harris, Alexandria Pengelly & Greyson Pengelly JessPengelly ( talk) 04:21, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
{{
Infobox person}}
. Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned.
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Archive 30 | ← | Archive 32 | Archive 33 | Archive 34 | Archive 35 | Archive 36 | → | Archive 38 |
The documentation for this parameter says Place of birth: city, administrative region, country
This can be read several ways:
So what is it? (I'm only really asking about #3)
Can I use Example text
for instance, or does the documentation tell me "leave blank unless full details are known (verified etc)" such as Example text
. Is there a general principle to follow (not just WP:BOLD)? I fully realize we can't specify ultra-general rules for each and every param.
A formal question: Can I partially fill fields, and what policy or guideline governs your answer (if contested by other users)?
Of course, feel free to consider this input on how to improve/clarify the template documentation.
CapnZapp ( talk) 09:15, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
For some categories of historical people (in particular), it is common to know their baptismal date but not their birth date (
Shakespeare and contemporaries is the exempli gratia). The corollary to this is that we know exactly which church they were baptised in but not their place of birth (with any meaningful precision). This template supports |baptism=
for giving the date, but not the equivalent param of |birth_place=
. This breaks the two datums up into separate blocks when rendered and is potentially misleading: the geographic location of the birth and baptism is not necessarily the same (and both, either, or none may be known). --
Xover (
talk) 16:22, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
The parameter quote, would give the option of showing a quote in the infobox of a person, the quote would be located between post-nominals and the image. The quote parameter can be used for the most notable quote of the person. Many authors, politicians, athletes and scientist have one defining quote above all others that could be showcased with the infobox. Would adding this parameter be a good idea? RBJ~nlwiki ( talk) 20:44, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi, it would be really good to add "Tribe" to the full parameters. In New Zealand it is really common to mention a Maori person's tribe (iwi) when writing about them, and it is usually a major part of their identity. I would guess that this is also the case for many other indigenous peoples. I didn't want to go make the change myself as I'm sure you get a lot of people messing around with this infobox. Helenalex ( talk) 21:56, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
After a bunch of testing in the sandbox, I have changed some of this template's <span>...</span>
tags to <div>...</div>
tags in order to fix
Linter div-span-flip errors (a div tag inside of a span tag, which is invalid HTML).
As far as I can tell from my testing, the infobox should look the same in all articles before and after this change. That said, WP editors are endlessly creative in their use of template parameters, and with 300,000 transclusions, there are bound to be a few unexpected side effects. Please post here if you notice anything unusual or bad happening after this change. Thanks! – Jonesey95 ( talk) 16:42, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
<br>
tags inserted by that template. You either have to use spans or don't use {{
Br separated entries}} – simply abutting the divs will produce separate lines in that case. --
RexxS (
talk) 02:32, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
What are you supposed to do if the exact year a person was born is unknown? I was trying to put an infobox on the article Lawrence Sheriff, but I'm confused as to how to make it work. G-13114 ( talk) 02:09, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
{{circa|1650}}
which gives
c. 1450.Now that TemplateStyles has been implemented, an inline list using comma separators is now available:
{{cslist |First |second |third item}}
→ That looks like a prose list but is marked up as a horizontal unbulleted list so that a screen reader will treat it as it does any other list.
I suggest that we could now profitably replace the current guidance
An entry of two or three very short items that will all fit on one line can be done simply with commas:
|parameter_name=Foo, bar, baz
(use semicolons if any items contain their own commas).
with something such as:
Either mid-dots or commas are available as separators, for example:
|parameter_name={{hlist |Foo |bar |baz}}
→
- Foo
- bar
- baz
|parameter_name={{cslist |Foo |bar |baz}}
→
- Foo
- bar
- baz
Although that doesn't include the advice about using semicolons – does that happen often enough to be worth keeping? What do others think? -- RexxS ( talk) 22:27, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
There are
several pages which have a value for |parents=
(mainly in this template) beginning with a number.
|parents=2
(no other information)?Jc86035 ( talk) 14:02, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Names of parents; include only if they are independently notable or particularly relevant.A number leading the parameter's value is very likely to be an error, as is a lower-case letter. The category should also apply the same test to
|mother=
and |father=
. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 14:59, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
hastemplate:
in the search often leads to better results. Searching on hastemplate:infobox person insource:parents insource:/| *parents *= *[0-9]/
doesn't time out for me and yields 4 results at present. That's only for {{
infobox person}}, but it's easy enough to run other searches on other relevant templates. --
RexxS (
talk) 18:26, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Per Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2019_February_6#Alma_mater, request to link the label " Alma mater" in fully protected infoboxes Person, Writer, Scientist, Artist, Philosopher and Officeholder : Bhunacat10 (talk), 11:54, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
"I've also removed the italics and link from alma mater per the discussion on the other talk page and MOS". The other talk page was presumably Template talk:Infobox person/Archive 20 #Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2013, but there's no discussion there. I also can't find anything relevant in Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Archive 150, which covers the time of the removal. The editor Technical 13 is blocked, so is unlikely to be able to give us the reason for the de-linking.
I want to add a new parameter. It should be called "associated with" I want this because I want to add the List of people associated with Anne Frank to Anne Frank's infobox as a nice touch. but there is nowhere to put it. AdrianWikiEditor ( talk) 22:29, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
Yeah I guess it is pretty vague. I feel like it would be nice to have a less vague version. Would be nice to have a friends parameter or really anything that is not biologically related. AdrianWikiEditor ( talk) 00:54, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
"Only if independently notable themselves or particularly relevant. Number of children (e.g., three), or list of names if notable." Are those last two words a qualification only for adding a list of names? This seems to slightly contradict the first sentence. which is a general guideline for either number or names? Martinevans123 ( talk) 17:04, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Typically the number of children (e.g., three); only list names of independently notable or particularly relevant children.– Jonesey95 ( talk) 19:02, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
"In tables and infoboxes, quantities are expressed in figures", so I've amended the documentation to comply with MOS. -- RexxS ( talk) 01:56, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Why did |honorific_prefix=
and |honorific_suffix=
become |pre-nominals=
and |post-nominals=
, when most other biographical infoboxes use the former names?
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 16:38, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
|honorific prefix=
, |honorific_prefix=
, |honorific-prefix=
and |pre-nominals=
as the same thing and similarly for |honorific suffix=
, etc. It's just that the documentation only mentions pre- and post-nominals. I don't recall any discussion on favouring any particular form, so it may have just been an arbitrary choice by whoever wrote the documentation (which may have been me, so it really would have been arbitrary). However, I seem to think that parameter names with underscores have been deprecated in favour of ones with hyphens – or was it the other way round? or did I imagine it?Why isn't there a "language(s) spoken" section for this template? I feel like it'd be a useful piece of information to know. While this may often be easy to make an educated guess on when reading an article, even when articles make no reference to what language a person speaks/spoke, it can often be ambiguous, especially for older historical figures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kankyaku ( talk • contribs) 19:30, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
I agree.. I would find this most interesting, particularly for world leaders. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Genetikbliss ( talk • contribs) 16:13, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
I'm having a problem at the Silver Quilty article, where both the parent infobox and the child module are displaying the photo entered. I can't figure out why. Can anyone here help? Thanks. Flibirigit ( talk) 19:06, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
|image=
to the article to suppresses the second image, and updated the template documentation. --
RexxS (
talk) 19:49, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
I've seen plenty of times that people are reffered to commonly by shorter version of their full names, while their full names are not equivalent to the birth names. For example,
Angela Merkel has the birth name "Angela Dorothea Kasner", while her full name nowadays is "Angela Dorothea Merkel". In some cases, the full name is just stuffed into |other_names=
, which does not appear as a clean solution to me. I thus wondered whether it would make sense to add a parameter |full_name=
to the infobox, which would only be used if it its content would not equal to that of |birth_name=
(or vice-versa), which in turn should already stay empty when it would be equal to |name=
. Thoughts?
Lordtobi (
✉) 09:27, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
other_names
because it is another name. We should not be creating more parameters when we already have a perfectly good place to put married names like "Angela Dorothea Merkel" – assuming that's important enough to be a "key fact" and therefore included in the infobox. But it's beyond me how anyone can fail to work out that if
Angela Merkel's full maiden name (i.e. birth name) was "Angela Dorothea Kasner", then her full married name would be "Angela Dorothea Merkel". Do we really need to explicitly do that working out for them? --
RexxS (
talk) 14:11, 21 March 2019 (UTC)This
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Please add /* {{pp-template}} */
to the top of the page per
Wikipedia:TemplateStyles#Guidelines since the page is template-protected. Thanks, --
DannyS712 (
talk) 00:33, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
In accordance with rendering in Template:Infobox family, could we have titles and styles collected to each other (both honorifics), and also in plural? PPEMES ( talk) 10:51, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
Category:Pages to import images to Wikidata, which is populated by this template, has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 01:03, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
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Please remove
<!-- -->{{#if:{{{image|}}}|{{#if:{{#property:P18}}||[[Category:Pages to import images to Wikidata]]}}}}
since I have just closed the CfD for that category as delete - see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 7#Category:Pages to import images to Wikidata. Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 11:43, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Should the number count for |children=
include all children (both alive and deceased)? Documentation doesn't say.
Jason Quinn (
talk) 05:51, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
Since the template has a "disappeared" field, how are we handling persons who reappeared? Should there be a field for that, or are we just generally removing disappearance info when that is the case? -- Kendrick7 talk 23:07, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
First of all I hope that with this discussion page I have a suitable place for my next request. Otherwise, please let me know where this discussion is better located. As I see this as a general question, I have chosen this position.
About my idea: Since Wikipedia is one of the best known sources of information, wouldn't it make sense to include (active) social media accounts (Twitter, Instagram, Facebook) of people in their info boxes? Are there any legal problems? Of course, this should be done according to a uniform scheme. I am grateful for further suggestions. Should this idea be adopted, a transformation into foreign-language Wikipedia articles would also be considered. --R eddiotos (discussion) 16:22, 01. May 2019 (CEST)
If I recall, there was a discussion somewhere that resulted in consensus to not include an article's subject's death date in the spouse=
parameter if the subject of the infobox passed away while married. Is that still the case? And if so, could this template's documentation please be updated to reflect that?
Steel1943 (
talk) 01:45, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Is it not worth taking the huge comments out the template. Why are they even in when they are already covered in documentation section. They must be manually removed which is time consuming when the template is used. scope_creep Talk 18:23, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
|name=
. IMO these are worth retaining in general; given the number of additions that already don't comply with the template documentation, anything that can potentially stem that tide seems worthwhile. However, open to discussion around specific examples that may need to be tweaked or removed.
Nikkimaria (
talk) 22:12, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
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These aliases:
Add | Current |
---|---|
conviction | criminal_charge |
conviction_penalty | criminal_penalty |
conviction_status | criminal_status |
– MJL ‐Talk‐ ☖ 00:31, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
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Add alias embed
for parameter child
, i.e. change two parameter substitutions from {{{child|}}}
to {{{child|{{{embed|}}}}}}
or {{{embed|{{{child|}}}}}}
. I saw an example of embedding in the documentation of parameters module*, and
incorrectly assumed, that parameter embed
is also already present in the template and it is a new name for deprecated parameter child
. It seems that parameter child
is marked as deprecated not for the sake of deprecation, but for discouragement of its use by incompetent editors, which confused me. —
andrybak (
talk) 07:26, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
{{#ifeq:{{{child|}}}|...
near the bottom of the template, around invocation of {{
Wikidata image}}. —
andrybak (
talk) 08:03, 19 June 2019 (UTC)Came here because in an article there's been back-n-forth over whether to include 'Brooklyn' in |birth_place= . That pair of changes is just a recent example there.
So wondering at this nit I thought of checking (you guessed it) Donald Trump. I really don't care about the larger issues (state, country, planet) but do care about the smaller bit - 'Queens'. As one comment had it (and yes, comparing with Barack Obama) Honolulu at 360,000 population is a close identification of 'place', but just "New York City" at 8,400,000 is not zeroing in nearly as well as Queens at 2,400,000 population.
I see discussions all over the place in the archives. And with some disparagement of local consensuses such as at Donald Trump. In scanning through the discussions I can't find a final decision regarding large subdivisions within city. Brooklyn and Queens are unwieldy but they aren't unnecessary. Shenme ( talk) 06:08, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Any chance of getting a field for a subject's tribe? Tribal affiliation is a major part of identity for many indigenous people, so it would be good to be able to list it in the infobox. Helenalex ( talk) 22:02, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
raw output | |
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Website | www.surprisinglylongfacultywebpagename/longurlname/peoplewhoworkhere?name=thenameoftheperson |
Using set-width <div> | |
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Website | www.surprisinglylongfacultywebpagename/longurlname/peoplewhoworkhere?name=thenameoftheperson |
Using {{
URL}} | |
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Website |
www |
I've noticed that some infoboxes end up becoming too wide if a long url is included as the website name. Could a default max-width and wrap be introduced (I guess with a manual override option for if it's really necessary). T.Shafee(Evo&Evo) talk 06:27, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
{{URL}}
to
Template:Infobox person/Wikidata would trim the https:// from the output, and wrap the URL where possible.
Frietjes (
talk) 13:15, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
{{
URL}}
around the |website=
parameter in relevant templates like {{
infobox_person}}
?
T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)
talk 01:07, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Possible edit from:
| data70 = {{{website|{{{homepage|{{{URL|{{{url|}}}}}}}}}}}}
| data70 = {{url|1={{{website|{{{homepage|{{{URL|{{{url|}}}}}}}}}}}} }}
| data70 = <div style="width:200px;word-wrap:break-word;">{{{website|{{{homepage|{{{URL|{{{url|}}}}}}}}}}}}</div>
Option 1 has the benefit of taking advantage of the {{
URL}}
template's additional formatting features, but if any editor has already used {{
URL}}
in the parameter of the {{
infobox person}}
(|website={{
URL}}
) this the nested {{
URL}}
templates will misformat. What do people reckon?
T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)
talk 00:33, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
|noicon=true
in that line if the intention is to wrap the entire field in {{
URL2}}. The small loss of editing functionality is probably not worth worrying about. --
RexxS (
talk) 18:38, 15 July 2019 (UTC)I recently removed |children=0
from an instance of this template and was
reverted on the basis that "Document says give a number, I put 0 and frankly "none" looked better. Not having children is significant information. How to differentiate it from the fact that the information isn't simply missing? Is "0" the recommended choice here?" (Courtesy ping
Usedtobecool). What are people's thoughts on this? My inclination is that it is appropriate to omit in the case of a null value - for example, we wouldn't want to be throwing in |death_date=hasn't died yet
, |criminal_charge=none
, |spouse=none
etc even though those are all "significant information" - but open to other opinions.
Nikkimaria (
talk) 12:32, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
|children=not too sure how many
(not that any particular Prime Minister springs to mind).
Martinevans123 (
talk) 13:47, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Gillard's infobox could properly show |children=none
; it's a sourced and notable fact. I'm perturbed by the use of "null value". IMO that's an undefined, empty, or meaningless value. Here, "0" (or "none") is exactly not that. If infoboxes are a summary of pertinent facts, this ought to be included when warranted in individual cases. --
Michael Bednarek (
talk) 03:33, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
There's an on-going, slow-motion edit war going on at Lucy Boynton over listing her partner in the infobox. How long does a relationship need to be officially established for it to be included? I couldn't find any details on the matter. on camera 21:10, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
Could a pronoun infobox field be added? With more people using neutral pronouns it would be a helpful reference point for both future editors and readers of the page. Lewishhh ( talk) 15:09, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
We get regular requests to add a new parameter to this infobox, sometimes for use in only a handful of articles. It would be possible to add a generic "extra parameter" field by passing its label and value to the infobox module, for example by adding to the template something like:
| label63 = {{{extralabel|}}}
| data63 = {{{extravalue|}}}
That would allow editors to create their own custom field by using those in an article; for example, something like:
| extralabel = Pronouns
| extravalue = they/them
This would move responsibility for the extra field to the editor, rather than the template designer.
Now, I'm not very keen on the idea, personally, because of the possibility of misuse (although a tracking category could easily be added). Nevertheless I raise the issue because other editors might find it a useful option. What do others think? -- RexxS ( talk) 20:40, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
|extralabel=Dog's name
|extravalue=Fido
. To see what happens with a real case of free-form parameters, see how the "blank fields" of {{
infobox settlement}}
get used. There's no control. --
Redrose64 🌹 (
talk) 09:16, 27 November 2019 (UTC)Agnes Geijer is being placed in Category:Articles with missing wikidata information rather than Category:Articles with missing Wikidata information (capitalising Wikidata) and I assume it's something to do with this template being called but can't see immediately where it's happening. Can someone help? Le Deluge ( talk) 12:43, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Template:infobox officeholder does not show the string native_name if the native_name parameter is filled; instead it shows that native name in a similar fashion (centred, bold, large font) to the English transliteration, without telling the reader that it is a "native name" (the reader will presumably infer this without having to be told, as s/he also has to infer from the English transliteration of the name).
It seems to me that in Template:infobox person, writing the string native_name explicitly violates WP:BLP for many of our articles whose subjects are living people, for obvious reasons of colonial history and some of the connotations of "native" being pejorative. I propose that at least for the moment we make the minimal edit from: | label1 = Native name
to | label1 = In other words, we leave the label blank. Or we could use something like the officeholder code, if it applies without too much change: | subheaderstyle = font-size:125%; font-weight:bold; | subheader = {{#ifeq:{{lc:{{{embed}}}}}|yes||{{#if:{{{native_name|}}}|<div class="nickname" {{#if {{{native_name_lang|}}}|lang="{{{native_name_lang}}}"}}>{{{native_name}}}</div>}}}} An example to check right now is Seham Sergiwa, a psychologist who happens to also be a member of parliament, so Infobox person is her main template, infobox officeholder is a module. She's hopefully still a living person, although chances are she was assassinated (see the article for details). Boud ( talk) 22:44, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
|local_name=
were used instead of |native_name=
.
Frietjes (
talk) 15:31, 15 November 2019 (UTC)The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance.— Bagumba ( talk) 05:24, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
Summary: The
Village pump proposal got comments, overt support from several people, and only mild opposition.
Could someone with technical access please make the changes? Either my minimal edit (leave label1 blank) or a better formatted equivalent. Thanks. Boud ( talk) 22:49, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
This is just a pointer to Template_talk:Infobox_person#Let's_not_insult_the_natives_(BLP) above, which after giving plenty of time for discussion appears ready for someone with editing access to act on. Boud ( talk) 22:51, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
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The minimal edit request is to change from:
| label1 = Native name
to
| label1 =
in order to avoid the risk of the label being perceived as insulting (colonial) (BLP issue) and/or because the rendered result looks better without the label.
For a more detailed discussion see
Template_talk:Infobox_person#Let's_not_insult_the_natives_(BLP) and the discussion
at village pump, which got comments, overt support from several people, and only mild opposition. One month is plenty of time for anyone to lodge serious objections if there were any. A more sophisticated, stylish way of implementing this BLP fix is possible too - I'm requesting a minimal version that is fairly sure to work.
Boud (
talk) 10:20, 14 December 2019 (UTC) (copyedit
Boud (
talk) 10:21, 14 December 2019 (UTC))
|honorific_suffix=
is specified?—
Bagumba (
talk) 23:42, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
|native_name_lang=
missing; the rendered output looks the same to me, but the source html has lang="ar" missing. For the sake of readers for whom these hidden attributes are important, I guess a warning in red could be given when editing if |native_name_lang=
is missing - or else robots could add those in later.
Boud (
talk) 00:03, 15 December 2019 (UTC)Administrator note I find there is consensus for this change. RexxS above questions how the change will look in child infoboxes, and I just wanted to confirm that this has been addressed. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 10:31, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
| data1 = {{#if:{{{child|}}}{{{embed|}}} || {{#if:{{{native_name|}}}|<div class="nickname" {{#if:{{{native_name_lang|}}}|lang="{{{native_name_lang}}}"}}>{{{native_name}}}</div>}} }}
will suppress the field if the parameters |child=
or |embed=
have values – you could refine it by testing for the parameters having the value "yes", which
Module:Infobox tests for. However, I'm not sure if that's always going to be a good idea, because it presupposes that the parent infobox processes the |native_name=
parameter. As we don't know which parent infobox may be used (and that's open-ended), that presupposition may not always be true. --
RexxS (
talk) 03:11, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
|native_name=
parameter from Infobox person display anywhere within the rendered Infobox person template will be useful in achieving that goal. I welcome a test case that shows that I am incorrect, as I may be misunderstanding the goal, the technical function of the infobox, or both. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 04:31, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Done. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 04:57, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
I'm proposing we remove the Weight parameter from this infobox. Weight is almost never an encyclopedic, it can rarely be properly sourced to reliable sources, is often the source of fierce and pointless edit wars (see the recent edit history of Brendan Schaub) and, worst of all, it changes frequently during the subject's life. Which weight is this parameter meant to record? Because it's meaning isn't specified, it is almost impossible to populate this parameter in a verifiable way. I think it causes plenty of trouble without adding value and should be removed. It appears it was added here during the infobox actor merge, and looking through the talk page archive it's addition was never discussed and has always been controversial. Thoughts? The Mirror Cracked ( talk) 21:31, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
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Please change the label "Criminal charge" to "Criminal charge(s)" (or "Criminal charges") and the variable "Criminal_charge" to "Criminal_charges". This is necessary because criminals are often charged with multiple serious crimes. 12:22, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
{{
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template.
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Should the label "Criminal charge" be changed to "Criminal charge(s)" (or "Criminal charges") and should the parameter variable "Criminal_charge" be changed to "Criminal_charges"? -
Mr
X 🖋 13:08, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
|module=
, and have it be consistent with {{
Infobox criminal}}. Ibx criminal currently shows "Criminal charge". Not saying that is right, but we should not
reinvent the wheel, whatever direction we decide to take. Embedding the template ensures a solution only needs to be implemented once, and not have to propagated to multiple other templates. It ensures consistency.—
Bagumba (
talk) 09:06, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
|Criminal_charge=
- there is |criminal charge=
and its alias, |criminal_charge=
- parameter names are case-sensitive. If we change these to |Criminal charge(s)=
/|Criminal charges=
and |Criminal_charges=
respectively, existing uses will break. This is why I want to see exactly what is intended in the sandbox. --
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Please change the label "Criminal charge" to "Criminal charge(s)" (or "Criminal charges") and the parameter "criminal_charge" to "criminal_charges" per the results of the RfC above. Please test in the template's /sandbox or /testcases subpages as appropriate. - Mr X 🖋 12:10, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
Some recent edits at
Template:Infobox person/doc added some extra autovalue
and suggested
fields. They apparently cause editors using the visual editor to add extra infobox entries such as in
diff which added caption + birth_name + birth_date + birth_place with no useful information. I changed the entry for birth_date because I do not think we should encourage people to add such information unless it is reliably sourced. What about the others? Is it useful for that bloat to build up?
Johnuniq (
talk) 08:44, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
{{
special}}
here, it has an optional parameter, and IIRC (after four years) that's just not suggested, let alone required. –
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The |residence=
parameter of the {{
Infobox person}} instructions say: "Location(s) where the person notably resides/resided, if different from birthplace." Assuming all information is sourced, how should this parameter correctly be used:
Thanks, Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 06:26, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance.The nature to which they might strongly be tied to a particular location outside of their birthplace should be obvious in the body, if not the lead.— Bagumba ( talk) 11:11, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
hastemplate:"infobox person" insource:/residence *= *[A-Za-z\[]/
) shows 36,844 results, but it might have missed a few (like {{
plainlist}}); there are at least 766 uses of the parameter with a blank value. --
RexxS (
talk) 23:43, 5 November 2019 (UTC)As a first step I've commented out the parameter in the template and removed it as valid in the check. That leaves us with a temporary marker where the parameter was, just in case. At some future point that can safely be removed.
I think I've removed from the documentation all mentions of residence that need to be removed.
There are still over 38,000 pages in Category:Infobox person using residence, so there's some clean-up to do, but it's obviously not urgent. It will show up as an unknown parameter in preview mode, so it will eventually be eliminated, but if anybody wants to do a bot run, that would speed things up substantially. -- RexxS ( talk) 22:24, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
There is still documentation in wrapper templates (e.g. {{
infobox artist}}
to update. Is anyone going to find all of these?
MB 05:16, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
Should there be a discussion somewhere about removing |residence=
from other infoboxes? I just ran across {{
Infobox Twitch streamer}}
and there are probably others. {{
Infobox officeholder}}
has it, but that is so common maybe it should have its own discussion.
MB 21:53, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
I disagree with the idea of mutilating 38,000 BLPs, and let folks clean it up over the next decades as they see fit, because my suggestion to replace all "residence" by "home town" with a bot failed miserably in my 3rd manual attempt, a province is no town. – 84.46.53.207 ( talk) 18:39, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
{{
infobox YouTube personality}}
has a residence, just seen on
Hannah Witton. –
84.46.53.221 (
talk) 04:24, 13 January 2020 (UTC)I have seen a problem on this is site, but when i click edit source button on some page and make some edits on the same page and click show preview it shows that there is a warning message like on many another pages on this site. So it is unlikely that the "residence" parameter will be restored anytime soon, thank you. Salomeeaalexandru899 ( talk) 14:10, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Why is it that there's a |signature=
parameter? I feel like this opens up a whole host of identity theft problems and I can't see how it's encyclopedic to include. —
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talk) 03:11, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
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I think revealing someone's salary in the infobox is quiet disrespectful. In many cultures, asking about someone's salary is considered disrespectful. I think it is too personal and too private. Therefore, I think it should be removed from the infobox.-- SharabSalam ( talk) 23:45, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
Removed.— Bagumba ( talk) 10:54, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
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Add brother property for the Person template nOman 18:23, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
|relatives=
parameter. –
Deacon Vorbis (
carbon •
videos) 18:28, 29 January 2020 (UTC)This RfC has been running for a while but input has dropped off, and right now it's about an even split between the guidelines a) saying nothing at all about the matter, or b) saying to avoid putting the same country in two or three infobox parameters (the other options in the RfC have attracted nearly no support). It's not going to be a useful outcome (just another RfC again some time later) if this closes with "no consensus", so this tie needs to be broken – with good reasoning, not with WP:JUSTAVOTE of course. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 03:48, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi all, it appears that since the |death_date=
and |death_place=
parameters are marked as suggested parameters, unsuspecting Visual Editor users are adding these blank parameters all over the place. Two examples
here and
here. I'm not a big fan of having Visual Editor users unsuspectingly making AWB-like edits. It also seems fairly unnecessary to have these empty parameters in infoboxes where they could remain for 0-100 years; undoubtedly someone will add them when a subject dies. Is this something that can be turned off? Is there consensus for these parameters to be added by default? I opened a discussion at the Visual Editor talk space, but was directed back here. Thanks!
Cyphoidbomb (
talk) 19:11, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
I agree with Cyphoidbomb and Johnuniq. This should be disabled. I'm not sure that any unfilled parameters should be added without explicit editor intent. - Mr X 🖋 13:46, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
The infobox renders the label for Amateur radio Call-sign but the article title is Call sign with the hyphenated version as a redirect. I propose that the hyphen in the template be replaced with a space for consistency. -- mikeu talk 12:45, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
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Hello! Thanks in advance for reviewing this request. In the interest of facilitating research and journalistic (investigative/fact-checking) work on historical figures via archival institutions, I'm requesting an "Archives at" parameter which could also draw from the corresponding Wikidata property: archives at (P485). Here's an example of one such Wikidata-integrated infobox on the Catalan Wikipedia for Ella Maillart. The template used here is: Plantilla:Infotaula persona
I noticed that a similar suggestion was raised in early December. That suggestion doesn't seem to have gone anywhere. MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE was cited as a reason to be wary of such a change (although the commenter didn't "object to it per se"), implying that archival material data is not a "key fact" that should be captured in the infobox. This is not a comprehensive evaluation for two reasons.
First, archives, where available, hold the sources that help researchers and journalists verify facts about the notable figure in question. This means that while archival detail does not necessarily appear in the body of an article, it nonetheless serves as a key piece of information at a more active level of research—and in that way functions as a key "meta-fact" on a notable figure). Second, institution-level efforts such as this one ( Wikidata:WikiProject Archival Description) are increasingly making use of Wikidata, because it helps researchers to be able to query archival information and because Wikidata specifies a single point of entry that can be updated when institutional details change (without needing to manually edit every relevant Wikipedia-end entry...). If archival detail continues to be limited to Wikipedia's external links without Wikipedia-Wikidata integration, we risk making a lot of effort redundant over time.
Concretely, the request is to:
Thanks! Utl jung ( talk) 20:17, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
{{
edit template-protected}}
template. Two editors objected mildly to a similar suggestion in December. You need consensus. This might work better as a dedicated Wikidata-based template that can be placed in the External links section of appropriate articles. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 21:38, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
can anyone explain, why "Infobox person/Wikidata" gives no fields, eg with article of Haljand Udam:
{{Infobox person/Wikidata | fetchwikidata=ALL|onlysourced=no}} {{Infobox writer/Wikidata | fetchwikidata=ALL|onlysourced=no}}
-- Estopedist1 ( talk) 10:58, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
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Can you please add the below grandchildren as my dad the person the page is about would love to see them on there.
Liam Harris, Alexandria Pengelly & Greyson Pengelly JessPengelly ( talk) 04:21, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
{{
Infobox person}}
. Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned.
Izno (
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