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Can someone point me to the discussion about this template being redirected? Thanks in advance — Bellhalla 07:44, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
I have reverted. That edit is jumping the gun. The poll requires the template to be removed, not redirected. The WP:D requires that these entries be added to the Wikipedia:Multiple-place names list and each page changed to orphan the template before the template can be deleted, and I don't see how that can happen with a redirect. This is not following the proper procedure for TfD.
As far as I know, this template is deprecated. This means that it should no longer be used. Instead of this template you can use {{ disambig}} and Category:Human name disambiguation. -- Commander Keane 05:50, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
As the category is being kept, we should keep this template as well. It's a simple way to add the category. Besides, as long as the template is not being deleted as per TfD, there isn't really a reason to not use it. -- User:Docu
We should remove cat:dabs from the template, imho, as it's a supercat of cat:people-dabs. In general (and here), it's not good to have the same page (here, many pages) in both a supercat and a subcat.— msh210℠ 20:32, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
I question the benefit of assigning categories to disambiguation pages. Isn't it conceivable that a band could form with the name Greg Ellis (but no members so named) thus making the template obsolete? - BalthCat 19:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Why the awkward term "human name"? All names are used by humans. Perhaps if we were space aliens, we could use this term to refer to names adopted by those humans over there on Earth.
Since it links to personal name, I will change the text. — Michael Z. 2006-11-06 21:05 Z
This human name article is a disambiguation page — a list of pages that might otherwise share the same title, which is a person's or persons' name. If an article link referred you here, you might want to go back and fix it to point directly to the intended page.
This really ought to be about personal names, not just human names. Someday, a cat (say) named after Erwin Schrödinger (say) is liable to become famous as an animal actor (say, in commercials for a new line of personal quantum computers marketed by Apple —they're just the guys to do this sort of thing). Even if only human names are likely to come up in the near future, there's no reason to limit this arbitrarily. — Toby Bartels 19:42, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Should be a human name Lockedwimp2856 ( talk) 03:33, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
It is horribly annoying to have to go into edit mode to see if the disambig is the correct one ! ! ! It makes it VERY inconvenient to change disams that are not already changed... so much for "easy improvement" in wikipedia. Not going to change it because I don't feel like dealing with the argument / edit war that will result. Zotel - the Stub Maker 23:28, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
There are biography articles where the first name personal name causes confusion, where the last name causes confusion ( surname and {{ surname}}), and were two or more terms from a single human name cause confusion {{ namedab}}. Using "human name" in {{ hndis}} is confusing because the personal name, middle name, and last name of a human all are human names. In addition, the template {{ surname}}) is not consistent with the article personal name from which the template derives its meaning. The template {{ hndis}} should be change to {{ personalnamedab}}. However, proper name should be considered as well. -- Jreferee ( Talk) 17:02, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Are there any other disambiguation templates and categories? (Besides this and {{disambig}}, I mean.) — Toby Bartels 19:30, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, both of you! — Toby Bartels 01:52, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Please don't use this term in the template. It makes it seem if we're trying to disambiguate from other species, which is just plain silly.
Peter Isotalo 10:48, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} The template is broken. The first part of the first line "<noinclude>{{pp-template}}<noinclude>" needs a backslash before the second "noinclude". jwillbur 16:08, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
If a disambig page contains a fictional human character, should it use the hndis template? Dsp13 ( talk) 11:19, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
The term "human name" sounds really odd. I propose changing the wording from "This disambiguation page lists articles associated with the same human name." to "This disambiguation page lists articles relating to people with the same name." Bingobangobongoboo ( talk) 12:52, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
on Peter Powell it seems to be producing a double divider line on the (HN)disambig notice. Should it be doing that?. Peachey88 ( Talk Page | Contribs) 00:05, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
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Even though
Category:Lists of ambiguous human names is a subcategory of
Category:Disambiguation, it would be helpful if this template also placed articles directly in
Category:Disambiguation, so that automated scripts may easily identify (by scanning that category) the universe of all disambiguation pages. --
Russ
(talk) 19:37, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
See Edgar Nunez, and its history. The "DEFAULTSORT:Nunez, Edgar" did not function: the page appeared in the category under Edgar (expected: Nunez). After I added the name in the template, like "hndis|Nunez, Edgar", it appeared under Nunez, as expected. Both names are without diacritics etc. What could be wrong? - DePiep ( talk) 17:49, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}}
At {{ User:Fullstop/Sandbox/T2}}, I've remodeled {{ hndis}} to
The revised version is at {{ User:Fullstop/Sandbox/T2}}. I'll update the /doc if there are no objections. -- Fullstop ( talk) 21:21, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
There are 87 names listed in the beginning of the Human name disambiguation pages category, apparently because their sorting value is undefined or empty. Checking their pages, I do not see a pattern; there are even some that have the previously required "name=" tag. Afasmit ( talk) 18:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
In a discussion over the use of this template or {{ given name}} (discussion here, page concerned was Ulrik) I felt that the phrase "personal name" (i.e in the text displayed "This disambiguation page lists articles associated with the same personal name.") was ambiguous because personal name could refer to someone's given name. I propose the text be changed to "This disambiguation page lists articles associated with the same full name." Full name redirects to personal name but full name differentiates {{hndis}} from {{given name}} more clearly. Any thoughts? Tassedethe ( talk) 06:28, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
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The wikilink of "Disambiguation" in main dab template Template:Disambig has been changed from Wikipedia:Disambiguation to Help:Disambiguation. Similarly the link needs to be changed here for sake of consistency. Cited third page ( talk) 03:37, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
It might be possible to add a link to this template (or maybe to a talk page template) directing readers and/or editors to a category listing of living people with the same surname. To see what I mean, follow link a link like articles on living people named 'Atherton', and then compare to List of people with surname Atherton. Would something like this be possible to add to the template? It would ideally be a link covering all biographical articles (both of living people and the dead), but as we don't have a category containing all biographical articles, that is not currently possible (hopefully it will be possible one day - ideas on how to do that welcomed), but it is currently possible for articles on living people. That example, chosen purely at random, has only two of the living people listed on the surname disambiguation (technically set index) page. That may be because the others are less notable than those who are dead and safely notable, so indiscriminate updating of such lists may not be the best idea. Carcharoth ( talk) 21:51, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
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Hi. Please undo this edit. The article feedback tool is now opt-in per-article. The blacklist category is no longer necessary. -- MZMcBride ( talk) 04:46, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
As this is the 'actual template' as opposed to a redirect I think it should be renamed and moved to Template:Human name disambiguation. This page would become a redirect to the new page name. The functionality and use case would remain the same however if someone tried to find out what Hndis was the more verbose name would allow them to figure it out quicker. Jamesmcmahon0 ( talk) 16:46, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
In David Armstrong there is at first {{hndis|Armstrong, David}} and after that {{DEFAULTSORT:Armstrong, David}}. Is it wrong? Should the defaultsort-sentence in such circumstances be removed? Taivorist ( talk) 10:57, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
Documentation needs improving. It is clear that this template should be used on a disambiguation page where all of the entries have the exact same given name and surname. It is not clear if this template is appropriate for various other cases:
Shakila (disambiguation) uses this template; is this appropriate? The article Princessa (disambiguation) could be created with entries Princessa and Princessa (singer); would this template be appropriate there?
This template is not used in disambiguations like Pope John or King Charles; documentation should discuss this.
This template is not used in sobriquet disambiguations. Both Édith Piaf and Sezen Aksu are known as "The Little Sparrow", if The Little Sparrow or Little Sparrow (disambiguation) were created as a disambiguation of these two names, the page would not use this template; documentation should discuss this.
This template was recently added to Christopher Bayley, which disambiguates Chris Bayley (whose given name is actually Christopher) and Christopher Bayly (whose surname is not Bayley). Documentation should clarify if this is appropriate use of this template ... but first, we need to have that discussion here, if it hasn't already been decided somewhere else.
If there were two individuals named Park Kim, one of whom had the surname Park and the other had the surname Kim, would the disambiguation of these two persons get this template? — Anomalocaris ( talk) 19:01, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation#Dab pages vs name SIAs. Shhhnotsoloud ( talk) 12:45, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
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Please update the template's code from the sandbox version, which:
|nocat=
to disable {{
Disambiguation page short description}}
{{{nocat}}}
to the {{
Dmbox}}
transclusion.These changes (borrowed from the {{
Disambiguation}}
template code) allow categorization to be prevented when displaying example message boxes on pages like
Wikipedia:Template_messages/General, which is currently being categorized in
Category:Disambiguation pages with short description.
FeRDNYC (
talk) 01:30, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
This
edit request to
Template:Hndis has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Please change:
{{R from move}}
To:
{{Rcat shell|
{{R from move}}
{{R from template shortcut}}
}}
This adds the {{ R from template shortcut}} category to Template:Hndis per WP:RRCAT. J 947 ( c), at 02:29, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Template:Human name disambiguation is permanently
protected from editing because it is a
heavily used or highly visible template. Substantial changes should first be proposed and discussed here on this page. If the proposal is uncontroversial or has been discussed and is supported by
consensus, editors may use {{
edit template-protected}} to notify an administrator or template editor to make the requested edit. Usually, any contributor may edit the template's
documentation to add usage notes or
categories.
Any contributor may edit the template's sandbox. Functionality of the template can be checked using test cases. |
This template does not require a rating on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||
|
This template was considered for deletion on 7 December 2010. The result of the discussion was "keep". |
This template was considered for deletion on 2006 March 25. The result of the discussion was "keep". |
This category was nominated for deletion on 16 March 2006. The result of the discussion was keep. |
Can someone point me to the discussion about this template being redirected? Thanks in advance — Bellhalla 07:44, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
I have reverted. That edit is jumping the gun. The poll requires the template to be removed, not redirected. The WP:D requires that these entries be added to the Wikipedia:Multiple-place names list and each page changed to orphan the template before the template can be deleted, and I don't see how that can happen with a redirect. This is not following the proper procedure for TfD.
As far as I know, this template is deprecated. This means that it should no longer be used. Instead of this template you can use {{ disambig}} and Category:Human name disambiguation. -- Commander Keane 05:50, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
As the category is being kept, we should keep this template as well. It's a simple way to add the category. Besides, as long as the template is not being deleted as per TfD, there isn't really a reason to not use it. -- User:Docu
We should remove cat:dabs from the template, imho, as it's a supercat of cat:people-dabs. In general (and here), it's not good to have the same page (here, many pages) in both a supercat and a subcat.— msh210℠ 20:32, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
I question the benefit of assigning categories to disambiguation pages. Isn't it conceivable that a band could form with the name Greg Ellis (but no members so named) thus making the template obsolete? - BalthCat 19:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Why the awkward term "human name"? All names are used by humans. Perhaps if we were space aliens, we could use this term to refer to names adopted by those humans over there on Earth.
Since it links to personal name, I will change the text. — Michael Z. 2006-11-06 21:05 Z
This human name article is a disambiguation page — a list of pages that might otherwise share the same title, which is a person's or persons' name. If an article link referred you here, you might want to go back and fix it to point directly to the intended page.
This really ought to be about personal names, not just human names. Someday, a cat (say) named after Erwin Schrödinger (say) is liable to become famous as an animal actor (say, in commercials for a new line of personal quantum computers marketed by Apple —they're just the guys to do this sort of thing). Even if only human names are likely to come up in the near future, there's no reason to limit this arbitrarily. — Toby Bartels 19:42, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Should be a human name Lockedwimp2856 ( talk) 03:33, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
It is horribly annoying to have to go into edit mode to see if the disambig is the correct one ! ! ! It makes it VERY inconvenient to change disams that are not already changed... so much for "easy improvement" in wikipedia. Not going to change it because I don't feel like dealing with the argument / edit war that will result. Zotel - the Stub Maker 23:28, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
There are biography articles where the first name personal name causes confusion, where the last name causes confusion ( surname and {{ surname}}), and were two or more terms from a single human name cause confusion {{ namedab}}. Using "human name" in {{ hndis}} is confusing because the personal name, middle name, and last name of a human all are human names. In addition, the template {{ surname}}) is not consistent with the article personal name from which the template derives its meaning. The template {{ hndis}} should be change to {{ personalnamedab}}. However, proper name should be considered as well. -- Jreferee ( Talk) 17:02, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Are there any other disambiguation templates and categories? (Besides this and {{disambig}}, I mean.) — Toby Bartels 19:30, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, both of you! — Toby Bartels 01:52, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Please don't use this term in the template. It makes it seem if we're trying to disambiguate from other species, which is just plain silly.
Peter Isotalo 10:48, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} The template is broken. The first part of the first line "<noinclude>{{pp-template}}<noinclude>" needs a backslash before the second "noinclude". jwillbur 16:08, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
If a disambig page contains a fictional human character, should it use the hndis template? Dsp13 ( talk) 11:19, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
The term "human name" sounds really odd. I propose changing the wording from "This disambiguation page lists articles associated with the same human name." to "This disambiguation page lists articles relating to people with the same name." Bingobangobongoboo ( talk) 12:52, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
on Peter Powell it seems to be producing a double divider line on the (HN)disambig notice. Should it be doing that?. Peachey88 ( Talk Page | Contribs) 00:05, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
Even though
Category:Lists of ambiguous human names is a subcategory of
Category:Disambiguation, it would be helpful if this template also placed articles directly in
Category:Disambiguation, so that automated scripts may easily identify (by scanning that category) the universe of all disambiguation pages. --
Russ
(talk) 19:37, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
See Edgar Nunez, and its history. The "DEFAULTSORT:Nunez, Edgar" did not function: the page appeared in the category under Edgar (expected: Nunez). After I added the name in the template, like "hndis|Nunez, Edgar", it appeared under Nunez, as expected. Both names are without diacritics etc. What could be wrong? - DePiep ( talk) 17:49, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}}
At {{ User:Fullstop/Sandbox/T2}}, I've remodeled {{ hndis}} to
The revised version is at {{ User:Fullstop/Sandbox/T2}}. I'll update the /doc if there are no objections. -- Fullstop ( talk) 21:21, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
There are 87 names listed in the beginning of the Human name disambiguation pages category, apparently because their sorting value is undefined or empty. Checking their pages, I do not see a pattern; there are even some that have the previously required "name=" tag. Afasmit ( talk) 18:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
In a discussion over the use of this template or {{ given name}} (discussion here, page concerned was Ulrik) I felt that the phrase "personal name" (i.e in the text displayed "This disambiguation page lists articles associated with the same personal name.") was ambiguous because personal name could refer to someone's given name. I propose the text be changed to "This disambiguation page lists articles associated with the same full name." Full name redirects to personal name but full name differentiates {{hndis}} from {{given name}} more clearly. Any thoughts? Tassedethe ( talk) 06:28, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}}
The wikilink of "Disambiguation" in main dab template Template:Disambig has been changed from Wikipedia:Disambiguation to Help:Disambiguation. Similarly the link needs to be changed here for sake of consistency. Cited third page ( talk) 03:37, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
It might be possible to add a link to this template (or maybe to a talk page template) directing readers and/or editors to a category listing of living people with the same surname. To see what I mean, follow link a link like articles on living people named 'Atherton', and then compare to List of people with surname Atherton. Would something like this be possible to add to the template? It would ideally be a link covering all biographical articles (both of living people and the dead), but as we don't have a category containing all biographical articles, that is not currently possible (hopefully it will be possible one day - ideas on how to do that welcomed), but it is currently possible for articles on living people. That example, chosen purely at random, has only two of the living people listed on the surname disambiguation (technically set index) page. That may be because the others are less notable than those who are dead and safely notable, so indiscriminate updating of such lists may not be the best idea. Carcharoth ( talk) 21:51, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Hi. Please undo this edit. The article feedback tool is now opt-in per-article. The blacklist category is no longer necessary. -- MZMcBride ( talk) 04:46, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
As this is the 'actual template' as opposed to a redirect I think it should be renamed and moved to Template:Human name disambiguation. This page would become a redirect to the new page name. The functionality and use case would remain the same however if someone tried to find out what Hndis was the more verbose name would allow them to figure it out quicker. Jamesmcmahon0 ( talk) 16:46, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
In David Armstrong there is at first {{hndis|Armstrong, David}} and after that {{DEFAULTSORT:Armstrong, David}}. Is it wrong? Should the defaultsort-sentence in such circumstances be removed? Taivorist ( talk) 10:57, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
Documentation needs improving. It is clear that this template should be used on a disambiguation page where all of the entries have the exact same given name and surname. It is not clear if this template is appropriate for various other cases:
Shakila (disambiguation) uses this template; is this appropriate? The article Princessa (disambiguation) could be created with entries Princessa and Princessa (singer); would this template be appropriate there?
This template is not used in disambiguations like Pope John or King Charles; documentation should discuss this.
This template is not used in sobriquet disambiguations. Both Édith Piaf and Sezen Aksu are known as "The Little Sparrow", if The Little Sparrow or Little Sparrow (disambiguation) were created as a disambiguation of these two names, the page would not use this template; documentation should discuss this.
This template was recently added to Christopher Bayley, which disambiguates Chris Bayley (whose given name is actually Christopher) and Christopher Bayly (whose surname is not Bayley). Documentation should clarify if this is appropriate use of this template ... but first, we need to have that discussion here, if it hasn't already been decided somewhere else.
If there were two individuals named Park Kim, one of whom had the surname Park and the other had the surname Kim, would the disambiguation of these two persons get this template? — Anomalocaris ( talk) 19:01, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation#Dab pages vs name SIAs. Shhhnotsoloud ( talk) 12:45, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Please update the template's code from the sandbox version, which:
|nocat=
to disable {{
Disambiguation page short description}}
{{{nocat}}}
to the {{
Dmbox}}
transclusion.These changes (borrowed from the {{
Disambiguation}}
template code) allow categorization to be prevented when displaying example message boxes on pages like
Wikipedia:Template_messages/General, which is currently being categorized in
Category:Disambiguation pages with short description.
FeRDNYC (
talk) 01:30, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
This
edit request to
Template:Hndis has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Please change:
{{R from move}}
To:
{{Rcat shell|
{{R from move}}
{{R from template shortcut}}
}}
This adds the {{ R from template shortcut}} category to Template:Hndis per WP:RRCAT. J 947 ( c), at 02:29, 22 February 2020 (UTC)