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There are heaps of errors in articles: Lua error in Module:Authority_control at line 1192: attempt to concatenate field '?' (a function value). Example Irena Swanson. Recent edits to the module need to be reviewed. Johnuniq ( talk) 10:54, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
|QID=
parameter). This wasn't caught by the testcases since there weren't any tests that tested that specific combination. I've now
added some tests (which were showing the same Lua error then but now aren't after the fix), and
fixed the underlying bug in the sandbox (a straightforward one-character typo), so this should be ready to go live again (but I'd prefer a different template editor or admin, such as
MSGJ, actually re-apply the change so I get a second set of eyes)
* Pppery *
it has begun... 13:13, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
I've just come across this template {{
Authority control (arts)}} when @
Fram:
added it, replacing the previous {{
Authority control}}, to
Saara Hopea. The effect seems to be that the reader no longer sees the ISNI or SELIBR data, while the other three fields are unchanged. While I'm not sure who, under what circumstances, would use the ISNI and SELIBR, it seems odd and arbitrary to include them for most people but not for visual artists - especially as there are plenty of people who are visual artists but also write or do other activities for which non-visual-artist identifiers might be relevant. (And a visual artist could well write a book a couple of years after her article had been given this visual-arts-specific template had been added...)
Could someone point me to an explanation of why this separate template is needed, and how it benefits the reader? Is it part of a move towards a whole series of different specialised Authority control templates? I'm genuinely puzzled. Thanks. Pam D 17:09, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
|1=arts
or |arts=yes
implemented as an option. That would have been much more sustainable. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 00:00, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
I missed the discussions to change the display of authority control. Looking now, I couldn't find the information for the German National Library which formerly appeared with label DNB. I saw France etc. but no Germany. Nikkimaria told me it's hidden under "Integrated Authority File". How is anybody supposed to know that? Do you expect users to look at the template documentation? Would it be hard to - perhaps also - provide the link under "Germany" where it would be self-explanatory? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:27, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
From the transclusions of {{ Authority control Q}} ({{ Authority control (custom)}} would be more accurate & appropriate, but anyway), there are several property IDs that don't exist in WD yet. I've gathered all the unique IDs below:
Of these, RISM ID (P5504) & FAST ID (P2163) already exist in WD, but are not in the module, and should probably be added here if no objections.
The rest I'm leaving here for anyone that might want to start the associated d:Wikidata:Property proposals. ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ dgaf) 11:39, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
A Request for Comment on external links to library resources, which relates to this template, has started: Wikipedia talk:External links#RfC: External links to library resources. Opinions, knowledge, and suggestions are sought. Please join in. SilkTork ( talk) 10:29, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
At
Warberg IC, the "Authority control" section has "WorldCat (via VIAF)" link
https://www.worldcat.org/identities/containsVIAFID/316392146, which is not valid. It results in "404: Document not found". While the Warberg IC
wikidata:Q3486392 VIAF ID entry 316392146
links to valid
https://viaf.org/viaf/316392146/. Shouldn't the links be the same? (both to viaf.org) --
Prikryl (
talk) 06:55, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I was just looking at this templates documentation and there doesn't appear to be a nocat or equivalent parameter (specifically I was looking at Wikipedia talk:External links#RfC: External links to library resources, which currently is added in 89 different categories by my quick count)? If there is could someone point me to it, if not could a technical editor comment on the feasibility of adding one? -- Asartea Talk | Contribs 10:46, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Microsoft Academic is (unfortunately!) shutting down at the end of this year. Do we have a suitable replacement we can add to this template? Perhaps Scopus? ProcrastinatingReader ( talk) 09:47, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Evening all. Per an issue raised on Lionel Messi, and when checking this also occurs on Cristiano Ronaldo, it seems that when these players have Navboxes that nest inside others the Authority Control wont render and just gives the Template link. The only solution appears to be to place Authority Control above the Navbox dialogue? Koncorde ( talk) 18:42, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
<div id="Authority_control_frameless_|text-top_|10px_|alt=Edit_this_at_Wikidata_|link=https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q615#identifiers|Edit_this_at_Wikidata"
,aria-labelledby="Authority_control_frameless_|text-top_|10px_|alt=Edit_this_at_Wikidata_|link=https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q615#identifiers|Edit_this_at_Wikidata"
?<includeonly></includeonly>
tags. (~45 B)Two valid cases detected as faulty identifiers:
I have fixed Wikidata but could not change the module here. ネイ ( talk) 14:59, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Sometimes I copy IDs from Wikipedia in lieu of searching on various sites, so being able to see the number and just copy it is useful. I toggle between Wikipedia and Wikidata as sources for finding multiple IDs. The additional supporting information in Wikipedia articles often helps with confirming that it is in fact a match. BooleanColors ( talk) 02:28, 27 July 2021 (UTC)BooleanColors
Am bumping into these large authority control templates on many pages, and the concept of navbox stacking of collapsed templates falls on the wayside. Can these things be default collapsed all at once? Thanks. Randy Kryn ( talk) 18:18, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
Anyone is free to go to the Village Pump and start a new RfC to get it collapsed, removed altogether, reverted to the old version, or stripped of most of its entries. But the current version is the result of two RfCs (one for the general principle of changing the cryptic abbreviation + meaningless ID to a more easily understandable text link, and one for the specific layout), so it isn't "non-consensus-based" and can't be reverted based on some complaints. The last RfC gave the choicce between collapsed or uncollapsed, but opinions there were divided. I tried to demonstrate the new look on some 10,000 pages (or 1% of the uses of it) during the RfC, but this was quickly reverted. Perhaps a new RfC on whether it should be autocollapsed or not will get more input or a more clear result now the new version is actually life: but I'll let someone else start it. Just make sure, whoever wtites an RfC, that you get the history right, and don't start with claims of "non-consensus-based" and so on. Fram ( talk) 07:34, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
opinions there were divided: the closer wrote explicitly that there is
no consensus on default collapsing behaviour, so it's no surprise that people turn up here to voice concerns about this template. For the record, I agree it should be collapsed by default, at minimum it should allow a parameter
|state=collapsed
, like any other navbox. --
Michael Bednarek (
talk) 13:09, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
|state=collapsed
in the sandbox.
* Pppery *
it has begun... 23:46, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Pinging the participants of the recent RfC for comments, specifically on the collapsing issue: @ Francis Schonken, Pigsonthewing, ProcrastinatingReader, Mike Peel, Blueboar, Tom.Reding, JohnFromPinckney, Rhododendrites, Levivich, Guettarda, CaptainEek, Sea Ane, Aza24, Ajpolino, Pbsouthwood, and The wub: sorry to ping you over such a trivial issue, but it not be fair to ping some and not all. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 20:49, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
For what it's worth, the sandbox edit I was referencing was Special:Diff/1028116858, which didn't show up on the GUC tool since it only shows the latest 20 edits to each wiki, and I've made several hundred edits since then. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:45, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
|state=collapsed
overrides that change and forces the template to the vertical navbox format)
* Pppery *
it has begun... 18:47, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
|state=
option, it should honor it in all multi-line cases, so my suggestion to remove the header (which also apparently disables collapsibility) for vertically short versions is probably no longer valid. I don't see the benefit of collapsing a single-line version, however. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 21:25, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
|state=
, and otherwise to display a header with a show/hide button, currently defaulting to autocollapse
(collapse unless it is the only collapsible thing on the page). Re whether it should collapse in all cases (default to |state=collapse
), I have no strong opinion.
* Pppery *
it has begun... 21:43, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
I would have left this discussion run a little longer. It was implemented less than 24 hours after I pinged the RfC participants and it would not have hurt to wait a few days before making the change.
A couple of queries:
There does seem to be some inconsistent behaviour — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 20:12, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
this template should be added to all biographies. I realize now I've probably been taking that too literally. Levivich 00:37, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
During the process of implementing the RfC, Fram discovered that the following identifiers were broken on many or all uses:
Is there any objection to removing these from the module? * Pppery * it has begun... 14:05, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
|NLP=
ID was passed as a parameter rather than via Wikidata. I plan to copy this code to the live module in a week (since there is a standard one-week delay for adding identifiers, there should be one for removing them as well). WorldCat (via VIAF) was previously removed for the same reason in
Special:Diff/949779734, and then re-added in
Special:Diff/959383148, so I am choosing not to re-remove it in this proposal to avoid it getting caught up in unnecessary drama.
* Pppery *
it has begun... 23:46, 11 June 2021 (UTC)ISNI (and others) shows as a linked 1, instead of the full number. Not sure what's going on.-- Auric talk 14:58, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
Removed TE, TH, and BALAT, since no one objected to removing any of them. I didn't end up doing the Publons thing, since it only affects one page so I decided it wasn't worth adding. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:41, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Online national encyclopedia of modern Ukraine. The ID is linked to 4,394 articles in en.Wikipedia.
— Michael Z. 15:58, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
{{ AC}} | This user uses the authority control template and the data it provides. |
I created a userbox for self-identifying as an AC user. This could be helpful in future discussions as a way of pinging interested parties who may not check their watchlist regularly. ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ dgaf) 14:44, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
I was looking at Agha (title).
The template is used w/o parametrer, so as to rely on Wikidata. But WD has identifiers from five databases, and the template as rendered on Agha (title) only shows one. Why is that? trespassers william ( talk) 18:45, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
The horrible new design of the authority control template makes it behave like a navbox (instead of a separate template group, as before), and it now forces navboxes to autocollapse, even in articles with only one proper navbox where the uncollapsed state would be preferable. Before the changes an article with one navbox plus the authority control template would look like this Norwegian article no:Gudmund Restad (with a navbox of Norwegian finance ministers and authority control below), in other words endlessly more reader- and editor-friendly. -- Bjerrebæk ( talk) 20:23, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Changes made to the Base Léonore website (which holds details of members of the French Legion d'Honnneur) mean that links generated by this template no longer work.
People are identified via a reference number (a "cote" in the terminology of the site) in the form LH/1924/18. This is converted into a link like this: http://www.culture.gouv.fr/public/mistral/leonore_fr?ACTION=CHERCHER&FIELD_1=COTE&VALUE_1=LH%2F1924%2F18 . This link now goes nowhere.
The page it now needs to go to doesn't include the cote at all, it's this one: https://www.leonore.archives-nationales.culture.gouv.fr/ui/notice/269341 . There's no way to find that numeric id from the cote, other than going to the site, entering it into the search box, and seeing what you find. If you do that, you need to be aware that they've added an extra slash to it, so it's now LH//1924/18. Cotes in the old style come back with no hits.
I'm not sure what the best way forward is. Léonore are actually using wikidata on their site, so they might be amenable to putting something in place to facilitate linking. I've no idea how to make that approach - it probably should be done by French wikipedia.
In the short term, Léonore cotes should probably be excluded from authority control. There's also a template dedicated to linking there that will need to be fixed - I've started a discussion at Template talk:Base Léonore
What do you think? Chuntuk ( talk) 07:31, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
Bis
& Ter
suffixes mean? ~
Tom.Reding (
talk ⋅
dgaf) 11:13, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
id
parameter to construct a working URL, but there are about 70 articles that need updating with revised cotes.
Chuntuk (
talk) 09:30, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
LH/110/91
→ LH//110/91
. ~
Tom.Reding (
talk ⋅
dgaf) 14:39, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
Every AC ID has 2 categories that could be less-redundantly renamed to:
This would also save a small # of bytes from the expanded page (see above @ #Is there a known issue related to Authority Control template, and the Navboxes Top / Bottom format?).
Performing this would be relatively simple. After moving all of the relevant categories (leaving redirects), the entire
Category:Pages with authority control information ID-tree is automated via {{
Pages with authority control identifiers}} and p.docConfTable
in
Module:Authority control. ~
Tom.Reding (
talk ⋅
dgaf) 14:17, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Hey WikiWizards, just a prediction here: the more intrusive and obnoxious you make this (now vey intrusive and obnoxious) template, the more resistance you will generate towards its future implementation and retention. You may in fact be tinkering until you break it. Note that in many cases, trivial links to (relatively) irrelevant Wikipedia articles like Virtual International Authority File or Trove (identifier) are more prominent than the actual authority identifier (e.g. VIAF ( 1)). I'm an experienced Wikipedian, and my fat thumb or fat mouse pointer still too often clicks on the former rather than the latter, resulting in virtual hog swill. To everyone who deems the current structure of this template ideal I ask: Do you value pedantry over utility? --Animalparty! ( talk) 05:55, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
The template currently allows all fields to be overridden with a local parameter. Is there any way this can be disabled in certain cases? For example, all the identifiers for lighthouses have now been migrated to Wikidata, and I would prefer not to allow Wikipedia to get out of sync with Wikidata. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 08:32, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
|VIAF=42619234
; both are displayed in the AC box. In this case, 42619234 should be transferred to
d:Q2706401 & removed from
Abraham Langlet. ~
Tom.Reding (
talk ⋅
dgaf) 11:48, 7 November 2021 (UTC)I have proposed removing some identifiers from Template:Infobox lighthouse and putting them in authority control instead. That would mean adding support, initially, for:
— Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 12:23, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Would it be appropriate to put these identifiers in a separate group, i.e. see below? — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 12:19, 12 November 2021 (UTC) {{authority control/sandbox|USCG=7-14530}}
Reliable, valuable and freely available source for lighthouses, published by the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency. Code is on sandbox. Example below. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 08:21, 5 November 2021 (UTC) {{Authority control/sandbox|NGA=114-5592}}
Authoritative and widely used identifier for lighthouses worldwide, published by the United Kingdom Hydrographic Office. Unfortunately the catalogue is not available online so no relevant link can be provided. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 15:18, 5 November 2021 (UTC) {{Authority control/sandbox|admiralty=D1204.1}}
Tom.Reding, I have partially reverted your change to this identifier. The link you included, to https://listoflights.org/ is not a reliable source and not published by the United Kingdom Hydrographic Office. I think it is misleading to include this link next to "Admiralty". As I mentioned above there is no relevant link for this identifier. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 21:48, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
Authoritative and reliable source for lighthouses, published by the United States Coast Guard. The catalogue is available online and we can link to it as a PDF file, but I'm not sure how helpful that would be, because it would not go directly to the relevant entry. ( This is volume 2, - 397 pages.) Code is on the /sandbox — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 17:16, 7 November 2021 (UTC) {{Authority control/sandbox|uscg=2-370}}
Extensive directory of lighthouses published by the Amateur Radio Lighthouse Society. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 15:58, 12 November 2021 (UTC) {{Authority control/sandbox|ARLHS=FRA003}}
Official list of lighthouses in Canada, published by the Canadian Coast Guard. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 21:00, 13 November 2021 (UTC) {{Authority control/sandbox|CCG=A1761}}
The URL set in the NLK is currently broken and does not work anymore. Please replace the https://nl.go.kr/authorities/resource/
with https://librarian.nl.go.kr/LI/contents/L20101000000.do?id=
. (
ko:Special:diff/30738894) Thank you. --
ted (
talk) 09:33, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
On 26 July 2021 the Wikidata Property P1362 changed the 'format as regular expression' from 60 to 70 characters
This should be reflected in function p.tlsLink
However, the regex that is generated in its current form causes a lot of backtracking within the regex engine.
A suggested variant would be
function p.tlsLink( id, label ) id = id:gsub(' +', '_') --P1362's format regex: \p{Lu}[\p{L}\d_',\.\-\(\)\*/–]{3,69} (e.g. Abcd) local class = "[%a%d_',%.%-%(%)%*/–]" local idlen = #id if idlen < 4 or idlen > 70 then return false end local regex = '^%u'..string.rep(class, idlen - 1)..'$' if not mw.ustring.match( id, regex ) then return false end return '[http://tls.theaterwissenschaft.ch/wiki/'..id..' '..(label or 'Theaterlexikon (Switzerland)')..']'..p.getCatForId( 'TLS' ) --no https as of 9/2019 end
An example of a long tlsid can be found in UNIMA Desb42 ( talk) 13:59, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
In an attempt to restart this conversation, I have created some examples at User:MSGJ/Lighthouse identifiers/examples to show how this could possibly work with lighthouse articles. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 21:59, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
{{Authority control/sandbox|qid=Q1521492 |extragroup={{#invoke:wd|label|edit|Q23013091}} |extralist=<nowiki>{{Lighthouse identifiers/list|qid=Q23013091}} }}
Hello. For the article Catholicate of the West, there are four different identifiers on WorldCat (they can be seen at d:Q109621016). I have checked, and those identifiers are referring to the same entity, no doubt. However, only the first one is in Worldcat the link of this template. Does anyone know how I could fix this situation? Veverve ( talk) 06:14, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
So, now how do I put the multiple WorldCat identifiers in the article? Veverve ( talk) 04:48, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
Currently, this template is at the bottom of articles & blends in with the navigation templates. This template is not a navigation template to related articles & can fool me (the fool I am) every now & again. I was wondering if anyone else thought the same. Can this template be redesigned to look & be placed similar to how Template:Portal is coded? Rgrds. -- Bison X ( talk) 21:54, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Template:Authority controll and has thus listed it at redirects for discussion. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 23#Template:Authority controll until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 12:00, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Template:Auhtority control and has thus listed it at redirects for discussion. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 23#Template:Auhtority control until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 12:12, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
In the Roman Catholic Diocese of Phát Diệm article, this template is giving the above error. However, in Wikidata:Q73481, the correct ID does use the underscore in the number, not the slash. See https://opac.vatlib.it/auth/detail/494_70141 for the Vatican Library link. Could someone fix this template so that it works with both the slash & underscore? Thanks, -- Funandtrvl ( talk) 05:28, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
Why do we have a group for "Other" and could these be put into "General" instead? — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 09:05, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
I'm completely out of my element here, so forgive me if it sounds like I have no idea what I'm talking about (I don't). This template still refers to a database maintained by RERO in Switzerland. RERO is a library network in Western Switzerland, which used to have a high number of members, including all the universities based there. But it lost the vast majority of its members (including all the universities) in late 2020, as most institutions have moved to a new network called "Swisscovery". Article in French: [4]. I have no idea what this means in terms of authority control, but just wanted to put it out there. JBchrch talk 16:15, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
replace identifier Microsoft Academic ID (P6366) with Google Scholar author ID (P1960) in Module:Authority control/Template:Authority control? — Luamssuk ( talk) 14:16, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
Microsoft Academic ID (P6366) and Semantic Scholar author ID (P4012) removed from Module:Authority control/sandbox2 — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 22:43, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
{{Authority control/sandbox2|scopus=37083905900}} produces:
Google Scholar author ID (P1960) added to Module:Authority control/sandbox2. Test below. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 22:45, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
{{Authority control/sandbox2|google=QPdLuj8AAAAJ}} produces:
Google Scholar ID: All google ids with "–" or "_" are not valid in template {{Authority control}}. — Luamssuk ( talk) 12:11, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
{{Authority control/sandbox2|google=tQVe-fAAAAAJ}} Trevor Hastie produces:
{{Authority control/sandbox2|google=ZpG_cJwAAAAJ}} Robert Tibshirani produces:
Module:Authority control
Please check if parameter name { 'google' in
1108: { 'google', 1960, p.googleLink, 'Scientific databases', 'QPdLuj8AAAAJ' },
must be the same like p.getCatForId( 'Google Scholar' ) in
320: return ' '..(label or 'Google Scholar')..''..p.getCatForId( 'Google Scholar' )
For Scopus the same in 1155 'scopus' and in 756 p.getCatForId( 'Scopus author' ). — Luamssuk ( talk) 13:11, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
|google=QPdLuj8AAAAJ
instead of using Wikidata. The "Google Scholar" in line 320 provides the name of the categories. I could be wrong though — Martin (
MSGJ ·
talk) 16:52, 14 January 2022 (UTC)I appears this template has added Category:Articles with Scopus author identifiers, which doesn't exist, to over 100 articles. MB 16:40, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
I've made some changes to the module sandbox that add a link to the article about the identifier next to each entry in the authority control. The design I've settled on is to use a "(?)" to link to the article beside each link (I was initially just going to put a "?", but that makes the link smaller and harder to click), but perhaps someone can think of another design. I've also made it so when the links are read by a screen reader they are read as "About [identifier name here]" rather than "(?)".
These links have the benefit of allowing readers to easily access the proper name of the institution that manages the identifier as well as information about the identifier (especially with page previews). This was also a concern when the new design was being implemented, but was never added to the new design.
Should a change like this be implemented? – BrandonXLF ( talk) 06:04, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
are now appearing in transclusions of this template; see eg Alon Korngreen. This must be a wikidata change bc I see no recent edits to our template. But I don't know what change that would be. And, if this change is going to be permanent, I guess someone will have to run an AWB task to remove {{ Google Scholar ID}} when {{ Authority control}} is transcluded and the relevant id is on wikidata? AleatoryPonderings ( ???) ( !!!) 03:46, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
Please can you add the following three IDs:
I tried to do the first one in the sandbox diff, but I don't have sufficient editing permission for the real template. -- 99of9 ( talk) 02:19, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 5 | ← | Archive 10 | Archive 11 | Archive 12 | Archive 13 | Archive 14 | Archive 15 |
There are heaps of errors in articles: Lua error in Module:Authority_control at line 1192: attempt to concatenate field '?' (a function value). Example Irena Swanson. Recent edits to the module need to be reviewed. Johnuniq ( talk) 10:54, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
|QID=
parameter). This wasn't caught by the testcases since there weren't any tests that tested that specific combination. I've now
added some tests (which were showing the same Lua error then but now aren't after the fix), and
fixed the underlying bug in the sandbox (a straightforward one-character typo), so this should be ready to go live again (but I'd prefer a different template editor or admin, such as
MSGJ, actually re-apply the change so I get a second set of eyes)
* Pppery *
it has begun... 13:13, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
I've just come across this template {{
Authority control (arts)}} when @
Fram:
added it, replacing the previous {{
Authority control}}, to
Saara Hopea. The effect seems to be that the reader no longer sees the ISNI or SELIBR data, while the other three fields are unchanged. While I'm not sure who, under what circumstances, would use the ISNI and SELIBR, it seems odd and arbitrary to include them for most people but not for visual artists - especially as there are plenty of people who are visual artists but also write or do other activities for which non-visual-artist identifiers might be relevant. (And a visual artist could well write a book a couple of years after her article had been given this visual-arts-specific template had been added...)
Could someone point me to an explanation of why this separate template is needed, and how it benefits the reader? Is it part of a move towards a whole series of different specialised Authority control templates? I'm genuinely puzzled. Thanks. Pam D 17:09, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
|1=arts
or |arts=yes
implemented as an option. That would have been much more sustainable. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 00:00, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
I missed the discussions to change the display of authority control. Looking now, I couldn't find the information for the German National Library which formerly appeared with label DNB. I saw France etc. but no Germany. Nikkimaria told me it's hidden under "Integrated Authority File". How is anybody supposed to know that? Do you expect users to look at the template documentation? Would it be hard to - perhaps also - provide the link under "Germany" where it would be self-explanatory? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:27, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
From the transclusions of {{ Authority control Q}} ({{ Authority control (custom)}} would be more accurate & appropriate, but anyway), there are several property IDs that don't exist in WD yet. I've gathered all the unique IDs below:
Of these, RISM ID (P5504) & FAST ID (P2163) already exist in WD, but are not in the module, and should probably be added here if no objections.
The rest I'm leaving here for anyone that might want to start the associated d:Wikidata:Property proposals. ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ dgaf) 11:39, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
A Request for Comment on external links to library resources, which relates to this template, has started: Wikipedia talk:External links#RfC: External links to library resources. Opinions, knowledge, and suggestions are sought. Please join in. SilkTork ( talk) 10:29, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
At
Warberg IC, the "Authority control" section has "WorldCat (via VIAF)" link
https://www.worldcat.org/identities/containsVIAFID/316392146, which is not valid. It results in "404: Document not found". While the Warberg IC
wikidata:Q3486392 VIAF ID entry 316392146
links to valid
https://viaf.org/viaf/316392146/. Shouldn't the links be the same? (both to viaf.org) --
Prikryl (
talk) 06:55, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I was just looking at this templates documentation and there doesn't appear to be a nocat or equivalent parameter (specifically I was looking at Wikipedia talk:External links#RfC: External links to library resources, which currently is added in 89 different categories by my quick count)? If there is could someone point me to it, if not could a technical editor comment on the feasibility of adding one? -- Asartea Talk | Contribs 10:46, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Microsoft Academic is (unfortunately!) shutting down at the end of this year. Do we have a suitable replacement we can add to this template? Perhaps Scopus? ProcrastinatingReader ( talk) 09:47, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Evening all. Per an issue raised on Lionel Messi, and when checking this also occurs on Cristiano Ronaldo, it seems that when these players have Navboxes that nest inside others the Authority Control wont render and just gives the Template link. The only solution appears to be to place Authority Control above the Navbox dialogue? Koncorde ( talk) 18:42, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
<div id="Authority_control_frameless_|text-top_|10px_|alt=Edit_this_at_Wikidata_|link=https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q615#identifiers|Edit_this_at_Wikidata"
,aria-labelledby="Authority_control_frameless_|text-top_|10px_|alt=Edit_this_at_Wikidata_|link=https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q615#identifiers|Edit_this_at_Wikidata"
?<includeonly></includeonly>
tags. (~45 B)Two valid cases detected as faulty identifiers:
I have fixed Wikidata but could not change the module here. ネイ ( talk) 14:59, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Sometimes I copy IDs from Wikipedia in lieu of searching on various sites, so being able to see the number and just copy it is useful. I toggle between Wikipedia and Wikidata as sources for finding multiple IDs. The additional supporting information in Wikipedia articles often helps with confirming that it is in fact a match. BooleanColors ( talk) 02:28, 27 July 2021 (UTC)BooleanColors
Am bumping into these large authority control templates on many pages, and the concept of navbox stacking of collapsed templates falls on the wayside. Can these things be default collapsed all at once? Thanks. Randy Kryn ( talk) 18:18, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
Anyone is free to go to the Village Pump and start a new RfC to get it collapsed, removed altogether, reverted to the old version, or stripped of most of its entries. But the current version is the result of two RfCs (one for the general principle of changing the cryptic abbreviation + meaningless ID to a more easily understandable text link, and one for the specific layout), so it isn't "non-consensus-based" and can't be reverted based on some complaints. The last RfC gave the choicce between collapsed or uncollapsed, but opinions there were divided. I tried to demonstrate the new look on some 10,000 pages (or 1% of the uses of it) during the RfC, but this was quickly reverted. Perhaps a new RfC on whether it should be autocollapsed or not will get more input or a more clear result now the new version is actually life: but I'll let someone else start it. Just make sure, whoever wtites an RfC, that you get the history right, and don't start with claims of "non-consensus-based" and so on. Fram ( talk) 07:34, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
opinions there were divided: the closer wrote explicitly that there is
no consensus on default collapsing behaviour, so it's no surprise that people turn up here to voice concerns about this template. For the record, I agree it should be collapsed by default, at minimum it should allow a parameter
|state=collapsed
, like any other navbox. --
Michael Bednarek (
talk) 13:09, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
|state=collapsed
in the sandbox.
* Pppery *
it has begun... 23:46, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Pinging the participants of the recent RfC for comments, specifically on the collapsing issue: @ Francis Schonken, Pigsonthewing, ProcrastinatingReader, Mike Peel, Blueboar, Tom.Reding, JohnFromPinckney, Rhododendrites, Levivich, Guettarda, CaptainEek, Sea Ane, Aza24, Ajpolino, Pbsouthwood, and The wub: sorry to ping you over such a trivial issue, but it not be fair to ping some and not all. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 20:49, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
For what it's worth, the sandbox edit I was referencing was Special:Diff/1028116858, which didn't show up on the GUC tool since it only shows the latest 20 edits to each wiki, and I've made several hundred edits since then. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:45, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
|state=collapsed
overrides that change and forces the template to the vertical navbox format)
* Pppery *
it has begun... 18:47, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
|state=
option, it should honor it in all multi-line cases, so my suggestion to remove the header (which also apparently disables collapsibility) for vertically short versions is probably no longer valid. I don't see the benefit of collapsing a single-line version, however. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 21:25, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
|state=
, and otherwise to display a header with a show/hide button, currently defaulting to autocollapse
(collapse unless it is the only collapsible thing on the page). Re whether it should collapse in all cases (default to |state=collapse
), I have no strong opinion.
* Pppery *
it has begun... 21:43, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
I would have left this discussion run a little longer. It was implemented less than 24 hours after I pinged the RfC participants and it would not have hurt to wait a few days before making the change.
A couple of queries:
There does seem to be some inconsistent behaviour — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 20:12, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
this template should be added to all biographies. I realize now I've probably been taking that too literally. Levivich 00:37, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
During the process of implementing the RfC, Fram discovered that the following identifiers were broken on many or all uses:
Is there any objection to removing these from the module? * Pppery * it has begun... 14:05, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
|NLP=
ID was passed as a parameter rather than via Wikidata. I plan to copy this code to the live module in a week (since there is a standard one-week delay for adding identifiers, there should be one for removing them as well). WorldCat (via VIAF) was previously removed for the same reason in
Special:Diff/949779734, and then re-added in
Special:Diff/959383148, so I am choosing not to re-remove it in this proposal to avoid it getting caught up in unnecessary drama.
* Pppery *
it has begun... 23:46, 11 June 2021 (UTC)ISNI (and others) shows as a linked 1, instead of the full number. Not sure what's going on.-- Auric talk 14:58, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
Removed TE, TH, and BALAT, since no one objected to removing any of them. I didn't end up doing the Publons thing, since it only affects one page so I decided it wasn't worth adding. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:41, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Online national encyclopedia of modern Ukraine. The ID is linked to 4,394 articles in en.Wikipedia.
— Michael Z. 15:58, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
{{ AC}} | This user uses the authority control template and the data it provides. |
I created a userbox for self-identifying as an AC user. This could be helpful in future discussions as a way of pinging interested parties who may not check their watchlist regularly. ~ Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ dgaf) 14:44, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
I was looking at Agha (title).
The template is used w/o parametrer, so as to rely on Wikidata. But WD has identifiers from five databases, and the template as rendered on Agha (title) only shows one. Why is that? trespassers william ( talk) 18:45, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
The horrible new design of the authority control template makes it behave like a navbox (instead of a separate template group, as before), and it now forces navboxes to autocollapse, even in articles with only one proper navbox where the uncollapsed state would be preferable. Before the changes an article with one navbox plus the authority control template would look like this Norwegian article no:Gudmund Restad (with a navbox of Norwegian finance ministers and authority control below), in other words endlessly more reader- and editor-friendly. -- Bjerrebæk ( talk) 20:23, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Changes made to the Base Léonore website (which holds details of members of the French Legion d'Honnneur) mean that links generated by this template no longer work.
People are identified via a reference number (a "cote" in the terminology of the site) in the form LH/1924/18. This is converted into a link like this: http://www.culture.gouv.fr/public/mistral/leonore_fr?ACTION=CHERCHER&FIELD_1=COTE&VALUE_1=LH%2F1924%2F18 . This link now goes nowhere.
The page it now needs to go to doesn't include the cote at all, it's this one: https://www.leonore.archives-nationales.culture.gouv.fr/ui/notice/269341 . There's no way to find that numeric id from the cote, other than going to the site, entering it into the search box, and seeing what you find. If you do that, you need to be aware that they've added an extra slash to it, so it's now LH//1924/18. Cotes in the old style come back with no hits.
I'm not sure what the best way forward is. Léonore are actually using wikidata on their site, so they might be amenable to putting something in place to facilitate linking. I've no idea how to make that approach - it probably should be done by French wikipedia.
In the short term, Léonore cotes should probably be excluded from authority control. There's also a template dedicated to linking there that will need to be fixed - I've started a discussion at Template talk:Base Léonore
What do you think? Chuntuk ( talk) 07:31, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
Bis
& Ter
suffixes mean? ~
Tom.Reding (
talk ⋅
dgaf) 11:13, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
id
parameter to construct a working URL, but there are about 70 articles that need updating with revised cotes.
Chuntuk (
talk) 09:30, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
LH/110/91
→ LH//110/91
. ~
Tom.Reding (
talk ⋅
dgaf) 14:39, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
Every AC ID has 2 categories that could be less-redundantly renamed to:
This would also save a small # of bytes from the expanded page (see above @ #Is there a known issue related to Authority Control template, and the Navboxes Top / Bottom format?).
Performing this would be relatively simple. After moving all of the relevant categories (leaving redirects), the entire
Category:Pages with authority control information ID-tree is automated via {{
Pages with authority control identifiers}} and p.docConfTable
in
Module:Authority control. ~
Tom.Reding (
talk ⋅
dgaf) 14:17, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Hey WikiWizards, just a prediction here: the more intrusive and obnoxious you make this (now vey intrusive and obnoxious) template, the more resistance you will generate towards its future implementation and retention. You may in fact be tinkering until you break it. Note that in many cases, trivial links to (relatively) irrelevant Wikipedia articles like Virtual International Authority File or Trove (identifier) are more prominent than the actual authority identifier (e.g. VIAF ( 1)). I'm an experienced Wikipedian, and my fat thumb or fat mouse pointer still too often clicks on the former rather than the latter, resulting in virtual hog swill. To everyone who deems the current structure of this template ideal I ask: Do you value pedantry over utility? --Animalparty! ( talk) 05:55, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
The template currently allows all fields to be overridden with a local parameter. Is there any way this can be disabled in certain cases? For example, all the identifiers for lighthouses have now been migrated to Wikidata, and I would prefer not to allow Wikipedia to get out of sync with Wikidata. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 08:32, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
|VIAF=42619234
; both are displayed in the AC box. In this case, 42619234 should be transferred to
d:Q2706401 & removed from
Abraham Langlet. ~
Tom.Reding (
talk ⋅
dgaf) 11:48, 7 November 2021 (UTC)I have proposed removing some identifiers from Template:Infobox lighthouse and putting them in authority control instead. That would mean adding support, initially, for:
— Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 12:23, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Would it be appropriate to put these identifiers in a separate group, i.e. see below? — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 12:19, 12 November 2021 (UTC) {{authority control/sandbox|USCG=7-14530}}
Reliable, valuable and freely available source for lighthouses, published by the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency. Code is on sandbox. Example below. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 08:21, 5 November 2021 (UTC) {{Authority control/sandbox|NGA=114-5592}}
Authoritative and widely used identifier for lighthouses worldwide, published by the United Kingdom Hydrographic Office. Unfortunately the catalogue is not available online so no relevant link can be provided. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 15:18, 5 November 2021 (UTC) {{Authority control/sandbox|admiralty=D1204.1}}
Tom.Reding, I have partially reverted your change to this identifier. The link you included, to https://listoflights.org/ is not a reliable source and not published by the United Kingdom Hydrographic Office. I think it is misleading to include this link next to "Admiralty". As I mentioned above there is no relevant link for this identifier. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 21:48, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
Authoritative and reliable source for lighthouses, published by the United States Coast Guard. The catalogue is available online and we can link to it as a PDF file, but I'm not sure how helpful that would be, because it would not go directly to the relevant entry. ( This is volume 2, - 397 pages.) Code is on the /sandbox — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 17:16, 7 November 2021 (UTC) {{Authority control/sandbox|uscg=2-370}}
Extensive directory of lighthouses published by the Amateur Radio Lighthouse Society. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 15:58, 12 November 2021 (UTC) {{Authority control/sandbox|ARLHS=FRA003}}
Official list of lighthouses in Canada, published by the Canadian Coast Guard. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 21:00, 13 November 2021 (UTC) {{Authority control/sandbox|CCG=A1761}}
The URL set in the NLK is currently broken and does not work anymore. Please replace the https://nl.go.kr/authorities/resource/
with https://librarian.nl.go.kr/LI/contents/L20101000000.do?id=
. (
ko:Special:diff/30738894) Thank you. --
ted (
talk) 09:33, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
On 26 July 2021 the Wikidata Property P1362 changed the 'format as regular expression' from 60 to 70 characters
This should be reflected in function p.tlsLink
However, the regex that is generated in its current form causes a lot of backtracking within the regex engine.
A suggested variant would be
function p.tlsLink( id, label ) id = id:gsub(' +', '_') --P1362's format regex: \p{Lu}[\p{L}\d_',\.\-\(\)\*/–]{3,69} (e.g. Abcd) local class = "[%a%d_',%.%-%(%)%*/–]" local idlen = #id if idlen < 4 or idlen > 70 then return false end local regex = '^%u'..string.rep(class, idlen - 1)..'$' if not mw.ustring.match( id, regex ) then return false end return '[http://tls.theaterwissenschaft.ch/wiki/'..id..' '..(label or 'Theaterlexikon (Switzerland)')..']'..p.getCatForId( 'TLS' ) --no https as of 9/2019 end
An example of a long tlsid can be found in UNIMA Desb42 ( talk) 13:59, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
In an attempt to restart this conversation, I have created some examples at User:MSGJ/Lighthouse identifiers/examples to show how this could possibly work with lighthouse articles. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 21:59, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
{{Authority control/sandbox|qid=Q1521492 |extragroup={{#invoke:wd|label|edit|Q23013091}} |extralist=<nowiki>{{Lighthouse identifiers/list|qid=Q23013091}} }}
Hello. For the article Catholicate of the West, there are four different identifiers on WorldCat (they can be seen at d:Q109621016). I have checked, and those identifiers are referring to the same entity, no doubt. However, only the first one is in Worldcat the link of this template. Does anyone know how I could fix this situation? Veverve ( talk) 06:14, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
So, now how do I put the multiple WorldCat identifiers in the article? Veverve ( talk) 04:48, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
Currently, this template is at the bottom of articles & blends in with the navigation templates. This template is not a navigation template to related articles & can fool me (the fool I am) every now & again. I was wondering if anyone else thought the same. Can this template be redesigned to look & be placed similar to how Template:Portal is coded? Rgrds. -- Bison X ( talk) 21:54, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Template:Authority controll and has thus listed it at redirects for discussion. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 23#Template:Authority controll until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 12:00, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Template:Auhtority control and has thus listed it at redirects for discussion. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 23#Template:Auhtority control until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 12:12, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
In the Roman Catholic Diocese of Phát Diệm article, this template is giving the above error. However, in Wikidata:Q73481, the correct ID does use the underscore in the number, not the slash. See https://opac.vatlib.it/auth/detail/494_70141 for the Vatican Library link. Could someone fix this template so that it works with both the slash & underscore? Thanks, -- Funandtrvl ( talk) 05:28, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
Why do we have a group for "Other" and could these be put into "General" instead? — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 09:05, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
I'm completely out of my element here, so forgive me if it sounds like I have no idea what I'm talking about (I don't). This template still refers to a database maintained by RERO in Switzerland. RERO is a library network in Western Switzerland, which used to have a high number of members, including all the universities based there. But it lost the vast majority of its members (including all the universities) in late 2020, as most institutions have moved to a new network called "Swisscovery". Article in French: [4]. I have no idea what this means in terms of authority control, but just wanted to put it out there. JBchrch talk 16:15, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
replace identifier Microsoft Academic ID (P6366) with Google Scholar author ID (P1960) in Module:Authority control/Template:Authority control? — Luamssuk ( talk) 14:16, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
Microsoft Academic ID (P6366) and Semantic Scholar author ID (P4012) removed from Module:Authority control/sandbox2 — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 22:43, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
{{Authority control/sandbox2|scopus=37083905900}} produces:
Google Scholar author ID (P1960) added to Module:Authority control/sandbox2. Test below. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 22:45, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
{{Authority control/sandbox2|google=QPdLuj8AAAAJ}} produces:
Google Scholar ID: All google ids with "–" or "_" are not valid in template {{Authority control}}. — Luamssuk ( talk) 12:11, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
{{Authority control/sandbox2|google=tQVe-fAAAAAJ}} Trevor Hastie produces:
{{Authority control/sandbox2|google=ZpG_cJwAAAAJ}} Robert Tibshirani produces:
Module:Authority control
Please check if parameter name { 'google' in
1108: { 'google', 1960, p.googleLink, 'Scientific databases', 'QPdLuj8AAAAJ' },
must be the same like p.getCatForId( 'Google Scholar' ) in
320: return ' '..(label or 'Google Scholar')..''..p.getCatForId( 'Google Scholar' )
For Scopus the same in 1155 'scopus' and in 756 p.getCatForId( 'Scopus author' ). — Luamssuk ( talk) 13:11, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
|google=QPdLuj8AAAAJ
instead of using Wikidata. The "Google Scholar" in line 320 provides the name of the categories. I could be wrong though — Martin (
MSGJ ·
talk) 16:52, 14 January 2022 (UTC)I appears this template has added Category:Articles with Scopus author identifiers, which doesn't exist, to over 100 articles. MB 16:40, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
I've made some changes to the module sandbox that add a link to the article about the identifier next to each entry in the authority control. The design I've settled on is to use a "(?)" to link to the article beside each link (I was initially just going to put a "?", but that makes the link smaller and harder to click), but perhaps someone can think of another design. I've also made it so when the links are read by a screen reader they are read as "About [identifier name here]" rather than "(?)".
These links have the benefit of allowing readers to easily access the proper name of the institution that manages the identifier as well as information about the identifier (especially with page previews). This was also a concern when the new design was being implemented, but was never added to the new design.
Should a change like this be implemented? – BrandonXLF ( talk) 06:04, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
are now appearing in transclusions of this template; see eg Alon Korngreen. This must be a wikidata change bc I see no recent edits to our template. But I don't know what change that would be. And, if this change is going to be permanent, I guess someone will have to run an AWB task to remove {{ Google Scholar ID}} when {{ Authority control}} is transcluded and the relevant id is on wikidata? AleatoryPonderings ( ???) ( !!!) 03:46, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
Please can you add the following three IDs:
I tried to do the first one in the sandbox diff, but I don't have sufficient editing permission for the real template. -- 99of9 ( talk) 02:19, 25 January 2022 (UTC)