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I have been working on some improved efficiency in the module sandbox. The /config page now contains just tables, so "mw.loadData" function can be used instead of "require". All the auxiliary functions have been moved to /auxiliary which can be accessed using the "valid" and "customlink" parameters. No change in appearance is intended. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 16:45, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
I have fixed this on the sandbox. Still not ideal with the "data" link but perhaps the best we can do — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 15:29, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Grimes2 ( talk) 07:06, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
I've created a new staging sandbox at /config/staging for code which either is uncontroversial or has consensus to be implemented. This will make it possible to use the test cases to spot unintended changes, while allowing us to keep playing in the real sandbox — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 09:56, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Module:Authority control/config/sandbox should have links to related pages. Grimes2 ( talk) 18:51, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Template:Authority control/doc uses the sandbox identifier information in the table (same information as Template:Authority control/sandbox) Is this a bug? Grimes2 ( talk) 17:48, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
RERO (Library Network of Western Switzerland) is not accessible. Should we disable this ID in AC? Grimes2 ( talk) 19:24, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
RERO is now removed from live template — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 10:39, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
"Script error: The function "docConfTable" does not exist" in Help:Authority control. Grimes2 ( talk) 13:08, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Is there some reason why the Oxford DNB isn't picked up by this template? It's Oxford Dictionary of National Biography ID (P1415). It should be in "biographical dictionaries". -- asilvering ( talk) 21:31, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
https://doi-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/10.1093/ref:odnb/$1
seems like a good URL — Martin (
MSGJ ·
talk) 21:55, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
The template {{ lang}} is not working in the 'Remarks' statement. (See Template:Authority control/doc#List of identifiers) -- ted ( talk) 12:22, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Request: Please add Grammy Awards artist ID (P7303). Example: Georg Solti links to https://www.grammy.com/artists/georg-solti/7181 Grimes2 ( talk) 21:33, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
Request: Is it possible to sort "List of identifier" by identifier by default? Grimes2 ( talk) 13:25, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
suppressedbyproperty
is used then the it must appear after the property that suppresses it — Martin (
MSGJ ·
talk) 23:14, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
I notice that the infobox on commons uses some icons for authority control databases. For example and and . Would it be worth discussing whether these can be used in the template to improve recognition? — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 12:32, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
Try to reorganize sections in sandbox. Grimes2 ( talk) 00:31, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
An example for the organization of an Authority control navbox: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_navboxes#Authority_control
Grimes2 ( talk) 07:40, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Question: Currently the "General" and "Other" sections do not show their labels when they are the only section. How should this behaviour continue with the new labels? I have added a hidelabelwhenalone
flag to the p.sections
config table to control this — Martin (
MSGJ ·
talk) 23:30, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Here's my suggestion:
Section | Description | Identifiers |
---|---|---|
1 | International | FAST ID (P2163), ISNI (P213), VIAF ID (P214) |
2 | National* | Biblioteca Nacional de España ID (P950), Bibliothèque nationale de France ID (P268), BNMM authority ID (P3788), CANTIC ID (P9984), CCAB ID (P1890), Encyclopedia of Modern Ukraine ID (P4613), GND ID (P227), IdRef ID (P269), KANTO ID (P8980), Libraries Australia ID (P409), Library of Congress authority ID (P244), National Library of Greece ID (P3348), National Library of Israel J9U ID (P8189), National Library of Korea ID (P5034), National Library of Latvia ID (P1368), National Library of Romania ID (P1003), Nationale Thesaurus voor Auteurs ID (P1006), NCL ID (P1048), NDL Authority ID (P349), NKCR AUT ID (P691), NORAF ID (P1015), NLP ID (old) (P1695), NSK ID (P1375), PLWABN ID (P7293), RSL ID (person) (P947), SBN author ID (P396), SELIBR ID (P906), Vatican Library VcBA ID (P8034) |
3 | Geographic | Admiralty number (P3562), ARLHS lighthouse ID (P2980), BGCI garden ID (P5818), Canadian Coastguard Lighthouse ID (P3920), Danish List of Lights and Fog signals ID (P4038), EBIDAT ID (P9725), EUTA theatre ID (P4535), Finnish List of Lights ID (P4143), Italian Navy Lighthouses and Beacons ID (P3863), MarineTraffic Lighthouse ID (P3601), Mérimée ID (P380), MusicBrainz area ID (P982), MusicBrainz place ID (P1004), NGA lighthouse ID (P3563), Norwegian List of Lights ID (P4055), Online List of Lights ID (P3223), Pleiades ID (P1584), Portuguese lighthouse ID (P4423), Smithsonian volcano ID (P1886), StadiumDB identifier (P5288), Structurae structure ID (P454), USCG lighthouse ID (P3723), Vitaskrá ID (P3993), World Waterfall Database ID (P3326) |
4 | Academics | ACM Digital Library author ID (P864), Botanist author abbreviation (P428), CiNii Books author ID (P271), DBLP author ID (P2456), Google Scholar author ID (P1960), Mathematics Genealogy Project ID (P549), MR Author ID (P4955), ORCID ID (P496), Publons author ID (P3829), ResearcherID (P1053), Scopus author ID (P1153), Terminologia Anatomica 98 ID (P1323), zbMATH author ID (P1556) |
5 | Artists | Auckland Art Gallery artist ID (P3372), Art Gallery of South Australia creator ID (P6804), BRAHMS artist ID (P5226), DAAO ID (P1707), Find NZ Artists ID (P6792), Grammy Awards artist ID (P7303), Information Center for Israeli Art artist ID (P1736), KulturNav-ID (P1248), Museum of Modern Art artist ID (P2174), Musée d'Orsay artist ID (P2268), MusicBrainz artist ID (P434), National Gallery of Canada artist ID (P5368), National Gallery of Victoria artist ID (P2041), Photographers' Identities Catalog ID (P2750), Pinakothek artist ID (P4025), Museo del Prado artist ID (P5321), RKDartists ID (P650), SIKART ID (P781), Städel Museum artist ID (P4581), Structurae person ID (P2418), Stuttgart Database of Scientific Illustrators ID (P2349), Te Papa agent ID (P3544), Union List of Artist Names ID (P245) |
6 | People | Australian Dictionary of Biography ID (P1907), autores.uy ID (P2558), Australian Women's Register ID (P4186), BMLO ID (P865), Biografisch Portaal van Nederland ID (P651), CWGC person ID (P1908), Dictionary of Irish Biography ID (P6829), Deutsche Biographie (GND) ID (P7902), EU Transparency Register ID (P2657), EUTA person ID (P4534), ISIL (P791), Oxford Dictionary of National Biography ID (P1415), Sycomore ID (P1045), Treccani's Biographical Dictionary of Italian People ID (P1986), UK Parliament identifier (P6213), US Congress Bio ID (P1157), World Athletics athlete ID (P1146) |
7 | Other | BRAHMS work ID (P5302), Bildindex der Kunst und Architektur ID (P2092), Europeana entity (P7704), HDS ID (P902), Internet Encyclopedia of Ukraine ID (P9070), Joconde work ID (P347), Lexicon istoric retic ID (P886), MusicBrainz instrument ID (P1330), MusicBrainz label ID (P966), MusicBrainz release group ID (P436), MusicBrainz series ID (P1407), MusicBrainz work ID (P435), NLA Trove people ID (P1315), RISM ID (P5504), RKDimages ID (P350), SNAC ARK ID (P3430), TDV İslam Ansiklopedisi ID (P7314), Theaterlexikon der Schweiz ID (P1362), U.S. National Archives Identifier (P1225), |
Notes/comments
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Sections are ordered alphabetically except "International", "National", and "Other". I've attempted to order all the identifiers fully alphabetically within each section; if something is not in order, that's not intended and you should amend it.
I've tried to more consistently organise the sections by what's kind of thing is being identified by a particular identifer (the "domain" using Wikidata's terminology), while otherwise maintaining the "International" and "National" sections. Some of the 'person' identifiers include "legal persons" and collectives/organisations, which is why I've chosen to use "People" not "Person". I'm not familiar with every one of these ids but have tried to place them in the appropriate section; if an identifier should be in a different section, you should amend it.
The remaining sections should be self-explanatory. Unless I've made a mistake, I have included every id listed in the "Proposed sections". I've also included most of the identifiers listed in the "Authority control properties" template on Wikidata, except those under "National" which I've not checked (I wasn't sure about "VIAF part" vs "other", and to be honest I was tired of organising identifiers), which is why there's an asterisk next to "National". I've organised them independently of where I found them; they aren't necessarily in the same/similarly-named sections. Those identifiers that only appear in the Wikidata template are commented out (and so, hidden in the collapsible table). Probably unnecessary to include them at all, but I thought it might be worth seeing where they might fit and if anything is missing. There are 7 sections in the counterproposal, one fewer than the current template and the proposal. Regarding hiding the labels, I say hide any of them when there's only 1 to conserve space, since distinguishing the groupings isn’t needed. I don't think any of them need to be always displayed, even if alone. I can't see how having any of them always display would be helpful. That said, perhaps it may be worth having conditional labels. That is, if "People: general" is the only "People" section, it may be better if it only displayed as "People" without a qualifer. Similarly, "People: academics" could display simply as "Academics". Likewise "People: artists" simply as "Artists". |
The "Notes" above should hopefully answer any questions; they also include my thoughts on conditional section labels. – Scyrme ( talk) 23:07, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
only one or two sections will be visible, I did have that in mind; that is why I suggested conditional labelling for sections which changes how they display in exactly that circumstance. I'm not sure why you feel the need to stress this.
Grimes2 ( talk) 08:55, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Proposal: +3 entities (sections), no subsections. I found this: Integrated Authority File. The table shows (official) types of GND high-level entities. This could be a model for our navbox.
Grimes2 ( talk) 01:01, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
We have reached consensus to implement Scyrme's "Counterproposal (id table with sections)". Your opinion, Martin? Grimes2 ( talk) 06:44, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
Terminologia Anatomica 98 ID (P1323) appears to cover terminology not people; I think it should be moved to 7. – Scyrme ( talk) 02:52, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
Why is the Encyclopedia of Modern Ukraine listed as a "national" identifier? It's an encyclopedia not a national library. Shouldn't it be moved to 7? – Scyrme ( talk) 18:21, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
Faceted Application of Subject Terminology (FAST) seems to be a more general identifier with 1,700,000 authority records. I think, this identifier should be placed in the "General" section. On the other hand ORCID and ISNI are pure person identifiers and should be in section "Person identifiers" Grimes2 ( talk) 04:52, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Dear Grimes2 and Martin, may I suggest the KBR person ID (P11249) as a national library addition for Belgium? It accurately links back to the Royal Library of Belgium's catalogue, for example: Albert Einstein.
I would also like to point out that the latest Swedish authority files are not being assigned a SELIBR ID (P906) numerical identifier, but are being assigned a Libris-URI (P5587) alphanumeric identifier which is being updated at VIAF and accurately links to the same page as that of the SELIBR ID (example this VIAF has this Libris-URI identifier added to its cluster in 2021, while a traditional SELIBR ID links back to this Libris-URI page anyway, like in this example). Is there any way we can merge the two under "Sweden" or start using the Libris-URI as the more dominant of the two so that we don't miss out on any new authorities?
Please let me know your thoughts on both my suggestions, thank you. Kind regards, Spinster300 ( talk) 22:35, 10 March 2023 (UTC).
Dear Grimes2 and Martin, may I also suggest the inclusion of non-American/Eurocentric additions to the Authority control template? Most libraries the VIAF database covers are from Europe or North America; leaving a vast majority of Asia and Africa where there is a sizeable population of English speakers. It took me some time to retrieve them, but to start off with, here is an example of William Shakespeare's authority record within the National Libraries of Georgia and India, respectively. Links to their authority database search pages are here: Georgia, and India. I am trying to search for more Asian/African countries that have authority control databases attached to their national library catalogues, but alas their websites are outdated and/or hard to navigate without a browser translator extension. I think we may need to create Wikidata properties for these identifiers as well. Please help me with these if possible, thank you. Kind regards, Spinster300 ( talk) 13:13, 16 March 2023 (UTC).
^https?:\/\/nationallibraryopac\.nvli\.in\/cgi-bin\/koha\/opac-authoritiesdetail\.pl\?authid=
698181, the id's regex should be straightforward. – Scyrme ( talk) 19:58, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
Dear Grimes2 and Martin, thank you for your thoughts. I am not familiar with how Wikidata works. I will wait for these libraries to update their systems, I suppose. May I suggest the Portuguese National Library author ID (P1005) under "Portugal", in the meanwhile? Kind regards, Spinster300 ( talk) 17:38, 18 March 2023 (UTC).
Dear Grimes2 and Martin, I would like to propose the following identifiers for countries from the Balkans: CONOR.AL ID (P8848) (Albania), CONOR.BG ID (P8849) (Bulgaria), CONOR.KS ID (P8850) (Kosovo), CONOR.SI ID (P1280) (Slovenia), and CONOR.SR ID (P8851) (Serbia); you can find all five identifier links to their respective countries' union catalogues managed by COBISS.net. The example authority I would like to provide is Winston Churchill. Do you think these are up to the mark to be included?
I would also like to seek your aid in a Wikidata property proposal for the CONOR.CG ID from Montenegrin libraries. How does one go about this on Wikidata? Please advise, thank you, and kind regards, Spinster300 ( talk) 12:08, 23 March 2023 (UTC).
The National Library of Brazil ( National Library of Brazil ID (P4619)) has a property with a formatter URL. Worth considering? – Scyrme ( talk) 18:17, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
The PRC appears to be absent; is there a reason for this? The relevant identifiers seem to be CALIS ID (P270) and NLC authorities (P1213) (as a note, the latter states that it is a "person" identifier, but this contradicted by one of the examples given which is for a book, namely the Three Character Classic). Both have a formater URL on Wikidata. I'm not sure which of those is more appropriate; the first is for the China Academic Library and Information System (CALIS) and the second is for the National Library of China. – Scyrme ( talk) 17:59, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
The Cyprus Library has Cyprus Library ID (P9250) with a formatter URL. Worth considering? – Scyrme ( talk) 18:58, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
The National Library of New Zealand ( National Library of New Zealand ID (P7682)) also has a property with a formatter URL which appears to be absent from AC. Worth considering? – Scyrme ( talk) 18:51, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
It seems that the Slovak National Library ( SNK ID (P9807)) is missing. Is there are reason for this? There is also a VIAF component ( Slovak National Library (VIAF) ID (P7700)) related to the Slovak National Library, but I don't think that's a problem since NL CR AUT ID (P691) for the National Library of the Czech Republic is included but also appears to be associated with VIAF (although the VIAF formater URL isn't used here). – Scyrme ( talk) 17:45, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
Hungary is similar to Slovakia in that the National Széchényi Library has NSZL name authority ID (P3133) and NSZL (VIAF) ID (P951). – Scyrme ( talk) 18:39, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
Grimes2 ( talk) 02:27, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
"Lua error: too many expensive function calls." in Wikipedia:Authority control/dashboard. -- ted ( talk) 22:11, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
wikilink: World Heritage Site
|show=P722
. Is there any interest in this? — Martin (
MSGJ ·
talk) 13:13, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
wikilink: Parliamentwatch
wikilink: United States Geological Survey
Would it be appropriate to add PubChem in the form of PubChem CID (P662) to {{ authority control}} (under §7, "Other")? Besides providing a wealth of data for a given chemical it also provides a "literature" section which effectively constitutes a library catalog of relevant academic material. Or would including it be stretching the scope of the template too much? – Scyrme ( talk) 19:14, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
Grimes2 ( talk) 19:19, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
wikilink: EU Transparency Register
Wikipedia:Authority control/dashboard lists a link to the Category:Articles with faulty Musée d'Orsay identifiers along with Category:Articles with Musée d'Orsay identifiers populated by the Module:Authority control. However, the module exposes some technical issues when dealing with the Musée d'Orsay identifiers. In short, {{ Pages with authority control identifiers}} is not working as expected on both categories. They should have {{ Possibly empty category}} and {{ Maintenance category}}. -- ted ( talk) 01:52, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
@ MSGJ: For diagnosis, Articles with Musée d'Orsay identifiers, U: Categories listed here do not conform to any expected naming convention, rendering the template useless. The solution is to either remove the template from the category, or improve/update the module to accommodate the new category naming convention. Grimes2 ( talk) 16:59, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
Category:Articles with faulty Emmy identifiers: Some special characters causing problems, wrong pattern. Grimes2 ( talk) 09:17, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
Myself and User:Scyrme have been working on emptying Category:Pages using authority control with parameters which is now down to 1. In line with the road map discussed earlier, as soon as this is empty, or nearly empty, we can look at removing local parameters altogether. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 13:05, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
For uses of this template where there is no Wikidata item available (e.g. non-notable subjects or where there insufficient detail to create a new item) we can substitute the template. I have created a substitutable version in the sandbox - just replace {{Authority control
with {{subst:Authority control/sandbox
This creates an edit like
this — Martin (
MSGJ ·
talk) 07:54, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
Please see proposed roadmap below — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 07:29, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
Phase | Status | What happens |
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1 | Done Nov '22 - Mar '23 |
Local parameters deprecated. Editors working on Category:Pages using authority control with parameters. Template continues to display local and wikidata values. Warning given in edit preview. |
2 | Underway | Category:Pages using authority control with parameters empty. Visual warning (with link to explanatory page) given on template. Link to export values to Wikidata (via QuickStatements) provided. |
3 | Not yet started | Local parameters no longer displayed. Visual warning (with link to explanatory page) given on template. Link to export values to Wikidata (via QuickStatements) provided. |
4 | Not yet started | Template ignores local parameters. Visual warning removed. Unknown parameters continued to be tracked indefinitely via Category:Pages with authority control with unknown parameters |
In phase 2, a warning will be displayed on the template if an editor uses a local parameter. Ideas for the warning message are below.
|qid=
, when the local parameter adds an identifier which is not in Wikidata. The QuickStatements link will be provided.(Need to find a suitable help page for this one.)
|qid=
— Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 07:51, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
|qid=
. That's why we have spent months clearing out
Category:Pages using authority control with parameters — Martin (
MSGJ ·
talk) 18:04, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
Template ignores local parameters." part of #Proposed timeline's Phase 3, unless that only applies to articles already connected to Wikidata (and even then, it's a weak-agree). Pages not connected to Wikidata should always be allowed to display parameters.
I think we are definitely moving in this direction, and I'd like to think that we will be in a position some day when this will be entirely uncontroversial. However I do understand concerns that Wikipedia editors are not ready for this (I personally think they are, but it's certainly up for debate). So let's focus on the parts we agree on. Firstly, that putting identifiers on Wikidata is preferable, for a multitude of reasons. Secondly, that editors should be encouraged to add any identifiers to Wikidata and/or to connect invocations of this template on an unconnected page to a Wikidata item. Therefore I suggest the following: we run with the prominent warnings proposed above, but we do not stop displaying these local values on the template. I will adjust the roadmap accordingly, and also remove the suggested dates, as these are probably unhelpful and before moving any further down this road, consensus will be sought on this talk page. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 13:46, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
On this article I discovered a grey strip with a border at the bottom, which looks related to this template. Who can fix it? -- Great Brightstar ( talk) 15:48, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
{{
s-end}}
wasn't on a new line as it has to be to function, so the succession table wasn't closed properly. –
BrandonXLF (
talk) 17:01, 25 April 2023 (UTC)To simplify moving changes to another wiki, it would be beneficial to have all hard-coded strings in variables in a single place instead. Of course When there are existing practices such as naming of categories this isn't foolproof and you still need glue-code around those parts to generate strings appropriately. But many of the strings just need direct translation to be usable in another wiki and there's quite a few of them. Ipr1 ( talk) 02:45, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
The length of config.i18n.testcases is no longer fixed and may vary depending on the localization. Could you please consider making the changes below?
From:
local testcases = (string.sub(title.subpageText,1,9) == config.i18n.testcases)
To:
local testcases = (string.sub(title.subpageText,1,mw.ustring.len(config.i18n.testcases)) == config.i18n.testcases)
Thanks. -- ted ( talk) 02:41, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
Here are some properties, that might give added value to the articles:
Remark: I've checked, that the ID-links are human readable (not "technical") and give additional information to the user. Grimes2 ( talk) 13:56, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
The "other" secton is becoming quite crowded. Is there a better way to organise these identifiers into existing sections or should we consider additional sections? — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 10:02, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
To all editors who have contributed to this talk page in the past six months. @ Scyrme, Fram, Ferdinando Scala, Robertsky, Jnestorius, Tom.Reding, David Eppstein, Luckyz, Gusfriend, and Spinster300: we currently have a large number of open requests for adding identifiers to this template. Please comment on the value of these links below if you have a chance — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 13:16, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
I will be a bit tied up working on other templates for a while, but if you can put any agreed changes on /staging and give me a ping then I can copy them over — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 21:46, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
wikilink: Structurae
wikilink: StadiumDB.com
wikilink: Global Volcanism Program
Suggested by Spinster wikilink: Emmy Awards
wikilink: Botanic Gardens Conservation International
wikidata: World Waterfall Database
wikilink: EU Transparency Register
wikilink: National Assembly (France)
wikilink: Städel
wikilink: Museum of Modern Art
wikilink: Alte Pinakothek, Neue Pinakothek?
There seems to be a problem as a lot of these identifiers are currently broken. For example, see below. There is a brief comment at wikidata:Property_talk:P4025#New_id's but I don't think we can add this unless these are fixed — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 09:24, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
wikilink Musée d'Orsay
wikilink: Museo del Prado
wikilink: National Gallery of Canada
wikilink: Europeana
wikilink: Base Mérimée
wikilink: Deutsche Synchronkartei
wikilink: Deutsche Bahn
wikilink: German National Academy of Sciences Leopoldina
wililink: Academy of Arts, Berlin
wikilink: Lexikon verfolgter Musiker und Musikerinnen der NS-Zeit
The "Admiralty" property doesn't appear to have an formatter URL and authority control simply displays the id without a link. Is this intentional? It doesn't seem consistent with the purpose of the template. – Scyrme ( talk) 19:09, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
linking to bibliographical records", and from the fact that a lack of a formatter URL was used as a reason against proposals in discussions above.
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 10 | ← | Archive 13 | Archive 14 | Archive 15 | Archive 16 |
I have been working on some improved efficiency in the module sandbox. The /config page now contains just tables, so "mw.loadData" function can be used instead of "require". All the auxiliary functions have been moved to /auxiliary which can be accessed using the "valid" and "customlink" parameters. No change in appearance is intended. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 16:45, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
I have fixed this on the sandbox. Still not ideal with the "data" link but perhaps the best we can do — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 15:29, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
Grimes2 ( talk) 07:06, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
I've created a new staging sandbox at /config/staging for code which either is uncontroversial or has consensus to be implemented. This will make it possible to use the test cases to spot unintended changes, while allowing us to keep playing in the real sandbox — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 09:56, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
Module:Authority control/config/sandbox should have links to related pages. Grimes2 ( talk) 18:51, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Template:Authority control/doc uses the sandbox identifier information in the table (same information as Template:Authority control/sandbox) Is this a bug? Grimes2 ( talk) 17:48, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
RERO (Library Network of Western Switzerland) is not accessible. Should we disable this ID in AC? Grimes2 ( talk) 19:24, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
RERO is now removed from live template — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 10:39, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
"Script error: The function "docConfTable" does not exist" in Help:Authority control. Grimes2 ( talk) 13:08, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Is there some reason why the Oxford DNB isn't picked up by this template? It's Oxford Dictionary of National Biography ID (P1415). It should be in "biographical dictionaries". -- asilvering ( talk) 21:31, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
https://doi-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/10.1093/ref:odnb/$1
seems like a good URL — Martin (
MSGJ ·
talk) 21:55, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
The template {{ lang}} is not working in the 'Remarks' statement. (See Template:Authority control/doc#List of identifiers) -- ted ( talk) 12:22, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Request: Please add Grammy Awards artist ID (P7303). Example: Georg Solti links to https://www.grammy.com/artists/georg-solti/7181 Grimes2 ( talk) 21:33, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
Request: Is it possible to sort "List of identifier" by identifier by default? Grimes2 ( talk) 13:25, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
suppressedbyproperty
is used then the it must appear after the property that suppresses it — Martin (
MSGJ ·
talk) 23:14, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
I notice that the infobox on commons uses some icons for authority control databases. For example and and . Would it be worth discussing whether these can be used in the template to improve recognition? — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 12:32, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
Try to reorganize sections in sandbox. Grimes2 ( talk) 00:31, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
Proposed sections
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An example for the organization of an Authority control navbox: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_navboxes#Authority_control
Grimes2 ( talk) 07:40, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Question: Currently the "General" and "Other" sections do not show their labels when they are the only section. How should this behaviour continue with the new labels? I have added a hidelabelwhenalone
flag to the p.sections
config table to control this — Martin (
MSGJ ·
talk) 23:30, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
Here's my suggestion:
Section | Description | Identifiers |
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1 | International | FAST ID (P2163), ISNI (P213), VIAF ID (P214) |
2 | National* | Biblioteca Nacional de España ID (P950), Bibliothèque nationale de France ID (P268), BNMM authority ID (P3788), CANTIC ID (P9984), CCAB ID (P1890), Encyclopedia of Modern Ukraine ID (P4613), GND ID (P227), IdRef ID (P269), KANTO ID (P8980), Libraries Australia ID (P409), Library of Congress authority ID (P244), National Library of Greece ID (P3348), National Library of Israel J9U ID (P8189), National Library of Korea ID (P5034), National Library of Latvia ID (P1368), National Library of Romania ID (P1003), Nationale Thesaurus voor Auteurs ID (P1006), NCL ID (P1048), NDL Authority ID (P349), NKCR AUT ID (P691), NORAF ID (P1015), NLP ID (old) (P1695), NSK ID (P1375), PLWABN ID (P7293), RSL ID (person) (P947), SBN author ID (P396), SELIBR ID (P906), Vatican Library VcBA ID (P8034) |
3 | Geographic | Admiralty number (P3562), ARLHS lighthouse ID (P2980), BGCI garden ID (P5818), Canadian Coastguard Lighthouse ID (P3920), Danish List of Lights and Fog signals ID (P4038), EBIDAT ID (P9725), EUTA theatre ID (P4535), Finnish List of Lights ID (P4143), Italian Navy Lighthouses and Beacons ID (P3863), MarineTraffic Lighthouse ID (P3601), Mérimée ID (P380), MusicBrainz area ID (P982), MusicBrainz place ID (P1004), NGA lighthouse ID (P3563), Norwegian List of Lights ID (P4055), Online List of Lights ID (P3223), Pleiades ID (P1584), Portuguese lighthouse ID (P4423), Smithsonian volcano ID (P1886), StadiumDB identifier (P5288), Structurae structure ID (P454), USCG lighthouse ID (P3723), Vitaskrá ID (P3993), World Waterfall Database ID (P3326) |
4 | Academics | ACM Digital Library author ID (P864), Botanist author abbreviation (P428), CiNii Books author ID (P271), DBLP author ID (P2456), Google Scholar author ID (P1960), Mathematics Genealogy Project ID (P549), MR Author ID (P4955), ORCID ID (P496), Publons author ID (P3829), ResearcherID (P1053), Scopus author ID (P1153), Terminologia Anatomica 98 ID (P1323), zbMATH author ID (P1556) |
5 | Artists | Auckland Art Gallery artist ID (P3372), Art Gallery of South Australia creator ID (P6804), BRAHMS artist ID (P5226), DAAO ID (P1707), Find NZ Artists ID (P6792), Grammy Awards artist ID (P7303), Information Center for Israeli Art artist ID (P1736), KulturNav-ID (P1248), Museum of Modern Art artist ID (P2174), Musée d'Orsay artist ID (P2268), MusicBrainz artist ID (P434), National Gallery of Canada artist ID (P5368), National Gallery of Victoria artist ID (P2041), Photographers' Identities Catalog ID (P2750), Pinakothek artist ID (P4025), Museo del Prado artist ID (P5321), RKDartists ID (P650), SIKART ID (P781), Städel Museum artist ID (P4581), Structurae person ID (P2418), Stuttgart Database of Scientific Illustrators ID (P2349), Te Papa agent ID (P3544), Union List of Artist Names ID (P245) |
6 | People | Australian Dictionary of Biography ID (P1907), autores.uy ID (P2558), Australian Women's Register ID (P4186), BMLO ID (P865), Biografisch Portaal van Nederland ID (P651), CWGC person ID (P1908), Dictionary of Irish Biography ID (P6829), Deutsche Biographie (GND) ID (P7902), EU Transparency Register ID (P2657), EUTA person ID (P4534), ISIL (P791), Oxford Dictionary of National Biography ID (P1415), Sycomore ID (P1045), Treccani's Biographical Dictionary of Italian People ID (P1986), UK Parliament identifier (P6213), US Congress Bio ID (P1157), World Athletics athlete ID (P1146) |
7 | Other | BRAHMS work ID (P5302), Bildindex der Kunst und Architektur ID (P2092), Europeana entity (P7704), HDS ID (P902), Internet Encyclopedia of Ukraine ID (P9070), Joconde work ID (P347), Lexicon istoric retic ID (P886), MusicBrainz instrument ID (P1330), MusicBrainz label ID (P966), MusicBrainz release group ID (P436), MusicBrainz series ID (P1407), MusicBrainz work ID (P435), NLA Trove people ID (P1315), RISM ID (P5504), RKDimages ID (P350), SNAC ARK ID (P3430), TDV İslam Ansiklopedisi ID (P7314), Theaterlexikon der Schweiz ID (P1362), U.S. National Archives Identifier (P1225), |
Notes/comments
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Sections are ordered alphabetically except "International", "National", and "Other". I've attempted to order all the identifiers fully alphabetically within each section; if something is not in order, that's not intended and you should amend it.
I've tried to more consistently organise the sections by what's kind of thing is being identified by a particular identifer (the "domain" using Wikidata's terminology), while otherwise maintaining the "International" and "National" sections. Some of the 'person' identifiers include "legal persons" and collectives/organisations, which is why I've chosen to use "People" not "Person". I'm not familiar with every one of these ids but have tried to place them in the appropriate section; if an identifier should be in a different section, you should amend it.
The remaining sections should be self-explanatory. Unless I've made a mistake, I have included every id listed in the "Proposed sections". I've also included most of the identifiers listed in the "Authority control properties" template on Wikidata, except those under "National" which I've not checked (I wasn't sure about "VIAF part" vs "other", and to be honest I was tired of organising identifiers), which is why there's an asterisk next to "National". I've organised them independently of where I found them; they aren't necessarily in the same/similarly-named sections. Those identifiers that only appear in the Wikidata template are commented out (and so, hidden in the collapsible table). Probably unnecessary to include them at all, but I thought it might be worth seeing where they might fit and if anything is missing. There are 7 sections in the counterproposal, one fewer than the current template and the proposal. Regarding hiding the labels, I say hide any of them when there's only 1 to conserve space, since distinguishing the groupings isn’t needed. I don't think any of them need to be always displayed, even if alone. I can't see how having any of them always display would be helpful. That said, perhaps it may be worth having conditional labels. That is, if "People: general" is the only "People" section, it may be better if it only displayed as "People" without a qualifer. Similarly, "People: academics" could display simply as "Academics". Likewise "People: artists" simply as "Artists". |
The "Notes" above should hopefully answer any questions; they also include my thoughts on conditional section labels. – Scyrme ( talk) 23:07, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
only one or two sections will be visible, I did have that in mind; that is why I suggested conditional labelling for sections which changes how they display in exactly that circumstance. I'm not sure why you feel the need to stress this.
Grimes2 ( talk) 08:55, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Proposal: +3 entities (sections), no subsections. I found this: Integrated Authority File. The table shows (official) types of GND high-level entities. This could be a model for our navbox.
Grimes2 ( talk) 01:01, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
We have reached consensus to implement Scyrme's "Counterproposal (id table with sections)". Your opinion, Martin? Grimes2 ( talk) 06:44, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
Terminologia Anatomica 98 ID (P1323) appears to cover terminology not people; I think it should be moved to 7. – Scyrme ( talk) 02:52, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
Why is the Encyclopedia of Modern Ukraine listed as a "national" identifier? It's an encyclopedia not a national library. Shouldn't it be moved to 7? – Scyrme ( talk) 18:21, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
Faceted Application of Subject Terminology (FAST) seems to be a more general identifier with 1,700,000 authority records. I think, this identifier should be placed in the "General" section. On the other hand ORCID and ISNI are pure person identifiers and should be in section "Person identifiers" Grimes2 ( talk) 04:52, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Dear Grimes2 and Martin, may I suggest the KBR person ID (P11249) as a national library addition for Belgium? It accurately links back to the Royal Library of Belgium's catalogue, for example: Albert Einstein.
I would also like to point out that the latest Swedish authority files are not being assigned a SELIBR ID (P906) numerical identifier, but are being assigned a Libris-URI (P5587) alphanumeric identifier which is being updated at VIAF and accurately links to the same page as that of the SELIBR ID (example this VIAF has this Libris-URI identifier added to its cluster in 2021, while a traditional SELIBR ID links back to this Libris-URI page anyway, like in this example). Is there any way we can merge the two under "Sweden" or start using the Libris-URI as the more dominant of the two so that we don't miss out on any new authorities?
Please let me know your thoughts on both my suggestions, thank you. Kind regards, Spinster300 ( talk) 22:35, 10 March 2023 (UTC).
Dear Grimes2 and Martin, may I also suggest the inclusion of non-American/Eurocentric additions to the Authority control template? Most libraries the VIAF database covers are from Europe or North America; leaving a vast majority of Asia and Africa where there is a sizeable population of English speakers. It took me some time to retrieve them, but to start off with, here is an example of William Shakespeare's authority record within the National Libraries of Georgia and India, respectively. Links to their authority database search pages are here: Georgia, and India. I am trying to search for more Asian/African countries that have authority control databases attached to their national library catalogues, but alas their websites are outdated and/or hard to navigate without a browser translator extension. I think we may need to create Wikidata properties for these identifiers as well. Please help me with these if possible, thank you. Kind regards, Spinster300 ( talk) 13:13, 16 March 2023 (UTC).
^https?:\/\/nationallibraryopac\.nvli\.in\/cgi-bin\/koha\/opac-authoritiesdetail\.pl\?authid=
698181, the id's regex should be straightforward. – Scyrme ( talk) 19:58, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
Dear Grimes2 and Martin, thank you for your thoughts. I am not familiar with how Wikidata works. I will wait for these libraries to update their systems, I suppose. May I suggest the Portuguese National Library author ID (P1005) under "Portugal", in the meanwhile? Kind regards, Spinster300 ( talk) 17:38, 18 March 2023 (UTC).
Dear Grimes2 and Martin, I would like to propose the following identifiers for countries from the Balkans: CONOR.AL ID (P8848) (Albania), CONOR.BG ID (P8849) (Bulgaria), CONOR.KS ID (P8850) (Kosovo), CONOR.SI ID (P1280) (Slovenia), and CONOR.SR ID (P8851) (Serbia); you can find all five identifier links to their respective countries' union catalogues managed by COBISS.net. The example authority I would like to provide is Winston Churchill. Do you think these are up to the mark to be included?
I would also like to seek your aid in a Wikidata property proposal for the CONOR.CG ID from Montenegrin libraries. How does one go about this on Wikidata? Please advise, thank you, and kind regards, Spinster300 ( talk) 12:08, 23 March 2023 (UTC).
The National Library of Brazil ( National Library of Brazil ID (P4619)) has a property with a formatter URL. Worth considering? – Scyrme ( talk) 18:17, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
The PRC appears to be absent; is there a reason for this? The relevant identifiers seem to be CALIS ID (P270) and NLC authorities (P1213) (as a note, the latter states that it is a "person" identifier, but this contradicted by one of the examples given which is for a book, namely the Three Character Classic). Both have a formater URL on Wikidata. I'm not sure which of those is more appropriate; the first is for the China Academic Library and Information System (CALIS) and the second is for the National Library of China. – Scyrme ( talk) 17:59, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
The Cyprus Library has Cyprus Library ID (P9250) with a formatter URL. Worth considering? – Scyrme ( talk) 18:58, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
The National Library of New Zealand ( National Library of New Zealand ID (P7682)) also has a property with a formatter URL which appears to be absent from AC. Worth considering? – Scyrme ( talk) 18:51, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
It seems that the Slovak National Library ( SNK ID (P9807)) is missing. Is there are reason for this? There is also a VIAF component ( Slovak National Library (VIAF) ID (P7700)) related to the Slovak National Library, but I don't think that's a problem since NL CR AUT ID (P691) for the National Library of the Czech Republic is included but also appears to be associated with VIAF (although the VIAF formater URL isn't used here). – Scyrme ( talk) 17:45, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
Hungary is similar to Slovakia in that the National Széchényi Library has NSZL name authority ID (P3133) and NSZL (VIAF) ID (P951). – Scyrme ( talk) 18:39, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
Grimes2 ( talk) 02:27, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
"Lua error: too many expensive function calls." in Wikipedia:Authority control/dashboard. -- ted ( talk) 22:11, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
wikilink: World Heritage Site
|show=P722
. Is there any interest in this? — Martin (
MSGJ ·
talk) 13:13, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
wikilink: Parliamentwatch
wikilink: United States Geological Survey
Would it be appropriate to add PubChem in the form of PubChem CID (P662) to {{ authority control}} (under §7, "Other")? Besides providing a wealth of data for a given chemical it also provides a "literature" section which effectively constitutes a library catalog of relevant academic material. Or would including it be stretching the scope of the template too much? – Scyrme ( talk) 19:14, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
Grimes2 ( talk) 19:19, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
wikilink: EU Transparency Register
Wikipedia:Authority control/dashboard lists a link to the Category:Articles with faulty Musée d'Orsay identifiers along with Category:Articles with Musée d'Orsay identifiers populated by the Module:Authority control. However, the module exposes some technical issues when dealing with the Musée d'Orsay identifiers. In short, {{ Pages with authority control identifiers}} is not working as expected on both categories. They should have {{ Possibly empty category}} and {{ Maintenance category}}. -- ted ( talk) 01:52, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
@ MSGJ: For diagnosis, Articles with Musée d'Orsay identifiers, U: Categories listed here do not conform to any expected naming convention, rendering the template useless. The solution is to either remove the template from the category, or improve/update the module to accommodate the new category naming convention. Grimes2 ( talk) 16:59, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
Category:Articles with faulty Emmy identifiers: Some special characters causing problems, wrong pattern. Grimes2 ( talk) 09:17, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
Myself and User:Scyrme have been working on emptying Category:Pages using authority control with parameters which is now down to 1. In line with the road map discussed earlier, as soon as this is empty, or nearly empty, we can look at removing local parameters altogether. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 13:05, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
For uses of this template where there is no Wikidata item available (e.g. non-notable subjects or where there insufficient detail to create a new item) we can substitute the template. I have created a substitutable version in the sandbox - just replace {{Authority control
with {{subst:Authority control/sandbox
This creates an edit like
this — Martin (
MSGJ ·
talk) 07:54, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
Please see proposed roadmap below — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 07:29, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
Phase | Status | What happens |
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1 | Done Nov '22 - Mar '23 |
Local parameters deprecated. Editors working on Category:Pages using authority control with parameters. Template continues to display local and wikidata values. Warning given in edit preview. |
2 | Underway | Category:Pages using authority control with parameters empty. Visual warning (with link to explanatory page) given on template. Link to export values to Wikidata (via QuickStatements) provided. |
3 | Not yet started | Local parameters no longer displayed. Visual warning (with link to explanatory page) given on template. Link to export values to Wikidata (via QuickStatements) provided. |
4 | Not yet started | Template ignores local parameters. Visual warning removed. Unknown parameters continued to be tracked indefinitely via Category:Pages with authority control with unknown parameters |
In phase 2, a warning will be displayed on the template if an editor uses a local parameter. Ideas for the warning message are below.
|qid=
, when the local parameter adds an identifier which is not in Wikidata. The QuickStatements link will be provided.(Need to find a suitable help page for this one.)
|qid=
— Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 07:51, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
|qid=
. That's why we have spent months clearing out
Category:Pages using authority control with parameters — Martin (
MSGJ ·
talk) 18:04, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
Template ignores local parameters." part of #Proposed timeline's Phase 3, unless that only applies to articles already connected to Wikidata (and even then, it's a weak-agree). Pages not connected to Wikidata should always be allowed to display parameters.
I think we are definitely moving in this direction, and I'd like to think that we will be in a position some day when this will be entirely uncontroversial. However I do understand concerns that Wikipedia editors are not ready for this (I personally think they are, but it's certainly up for debate). So let's focus on the parts we agree on. Firstly, that putting identifiers on Wikidata is preferable, for a multitude of reasons. Secondly, that editors should be encouraged to add any identifiers to Wikidata and/or to connect invocations of this template on an unconnected page to a Wikidata item. Therefore I suggest the following: we run with the prominent warnings proposed above, but we do not stop displaying these local values on the template. I will adjust the roadmap accordingly, and also remove the suggested dates, as these are probably unhelpful and before moving any further down this road, consensus will be sought on this talk page. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 13:46, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
On this article I discovered a grey strip with a border at the bottom, which looks related to this template. Who can fix it? -- Great Brightstar ( talk) 15:48, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
{{
s-end}}
wasn't on a new line as it has to be to function, so the succession table wasn't closed properly. –
BrandonXLF (
talk) 17:01, 25 April 2023 (UTC)To simplify moving changes to another wiki, it would be beneficial to have all hard-coded strings in variables in a single place instead. Of course When there are existing practices such as naming of categories this isn't foolproof and you still need glue-code around those parts to generate strings appropriately. But many of the strings just need direct translation to be usable in another wiki and there's quite a few of them. Ipr1 ( talk) 02:45, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
The length of config.i18n.testcases is no longer fixed and may vary depending on the localization. Could you please consider making the changes below?
From:
local testcases = (string.sub(title.subpageText,1,9) == config.i18n.testcases)
To:
local testcases = (string.sub(title.subpageText,1,mw.ustring.len(config.i18n.testcases)) == config.i18n.testcases)
Thanks. -- ted ( talk) 02:41, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
Here are some properties, that might give added value to the articles:
Remark: I've checked, that the ID-links are human readable (not "technical") and give additional information to the user. Grimes2 ( talk) 13:56, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
The "other" secton is becoming quite crowded. Is there a better way to organise these identifiers into existing sections or should we consider additional sections? — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 10:02, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
To all editors who have contributed to this talk page in the past six months. @ Scyrme, Fram, Ferdinando Scala, Robertsky, Jnestorius, Tom.Reding, David Eppstein, Luckyz, Gusfriend, and Spinster300: we currently have a large number of open requests for adding identifiers to this template. Please comment on the value of these links below if you have a chance — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 13:16, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
I will be a bit tied up working on other templates for a while, but if you can put any agreed changes on /staging and give me a ping then I can copy them over — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 21:46, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
wikilink: Structurae
wikilink: StadiumDB.com
wikilink: Global Volcanism Program
Suggested by Spinster wikilink: Emmy Awards
wikilink: Botanic Gardens Conservation International
wikidata: World Waterfall Database
wikilink: EU Transparency Register
wikilink: National Assembly (France)
wikilink: Städel
wikilink: Museum of Modern Art
wikilink: Alte Pinakothek, Neue Pinakothek?
There seems to be a problem as a lot of these identifiers are currently broken. For example, see below. There is a brief comment at wikidata:Property_talk:P4025#New_id's but I don't think we can add this unless these are fixed — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 09:24, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
wikilink Musée d'Orsay
wikilink: Museo del Prado
wikilink: National Gallery of Canada
wikilink: Europeana
wikilink: Base Mérimée
wikilink: Deutsche Synchronkartei
wikilink: Deutsche Bahn
wikilink: German National Academy of Sciences Leopoldina
wililink: Academy of Arts, Berlin
wikilink: Lexikon verfolgter Musiker und Musikerinnen der NS-Zeit
The "Admiralty" property doesn't appear to have an formatter URL and authority control simply displays the id without a link. Is this intentional? It doesn't seem consistent with the purpose of the template. – Scyrme ( talk) 19:09, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
linking to bibliographical records", and from the fact that a lack of a formatter URL was used as a reason against proposals in discussions above.