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It'd be convenient if this infobox displayed the total time in public office at the top. Many politicians occupy more than one, two, or even three offices throughout their career, and sometimes they serve many roles in a single office (e.g. senators may also be Senate Majority Leader, Whip, etc...), obscuring the length of their careers. This makes it hard to tell whether their public office carrers are contiguous, and when they leave (to become lobbyists or media personalities). It'd be useful, I think. Test35965 ( talk) 21:16, 25 October 2016 (UTC) Test35965 ( talk) 21:16, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
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Hello. Can someone please add another
non-breaking space after "of" and before "death" in = Cause of death
(nbsp shown in markup). Thanks.--
Nevé
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I had forgotten that I started this discussion nine months ago. There was support for adding the parameter then, and since then consensus was found for it to be added to Infobox person. The way it was done there is that what is put in the denomination parameter automatically shows on the page in parentheses after the religion. I figure, since the religion parameter is probably used more in politician's infoboxes than any others, then this should be added here as well. [Pinging John of Reading, wbm1058] — Musdan77 ( talk) 18:45, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
|denomination=
field being added to the "Infobox person", no, that already existed long
before the RfC was conducted. Regards,
Xenophrenic (
talk) 00:17, 16 November 2016 (UTC)|religion=
parameter is to be removed, and that is still the case. In my follow-up comment, I was just clarifying for you that there are rare cases when a person's religion is a defining characteristic of their notability, (i.e.; they are a member of the clergy, a Nun, Pope, Bishop, Friar, Rabbi, etc.) yet they aren't using a religion-based Infobox, but instead use a more general Infobox. In those cases, a custom field may be created, or the information can just remain in the body of the article. This is also explained in that same RfC.This
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Remove |salary=
and |net_worth=
between |label44=
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Could someone please add the Head of government title "Minister president" (and "Vice minister president") to the template? It's pretty much the same like a prime minister and often used similar e. g. in German. As the Heads of state and government of the 16 German federal states are always called minister president (excluding three mayors), it would be nice to use the term in English Wikipedia as well. -- SamWinchester000 ( talk) 01:03, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
So, what do we have to do to implement that parameter? Articles like Matthias Platzeck, List of Ministers-President of Austria, Minister President of Prussia, List of Ministers-President of Brandenburg and also Minister-President of the Walloon Region clearly use that term. So infoboxes of federal ministers referring to their "boss" should be able to use Minister President as well and not Prime Minister. -- SamWinchester000 ( talk) 06:34, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
I'm confused. I came to the Talk page here thinking there was a |height = line in this infobox. It's right there in Template:Infobox officeholder#Personal data. But I searched the archive before starting my new section and found, most recently, 'Height again!' from 2014 with the clear sense that there was no |height = option in the infobox. It's one of half a dozen or so archive entries with 'height' mentioned. 'Heightism' is mentioned also in the archive discussions.
My case in point is Donald Trump. There's been a bit of a controversy about the President-elect's height, I've found, nicely summarized here in "Trump's driver's license casts doubt on height claims" by Darren Samuelsohn in Politico today: Public, televised assertion by the P-e, "an open-records request" yielding contrary evidence, an “it irritates him" assertion et c. I first added the basic '6 ft 2 in or 6 ft 3 in' info to the 'Personal life' part of the text of the article -- just noting the options and letting the source do the rest -- and at last check it resided there still. I worried that 'height' and 'life' don't fully work together and thought about renaming the umbrella section just 'Personal'. Then I thought about the infobox and tried to do the '|height =' personal-data addition there. I wasn't sure it could handle the 'or' part of the text but was beginning to accept it would just have the P-e's assertion with the cite doing all the rest. In any event, nothing. No sign of 'Height' in a preview of the edit. I placed it after 'other party' as it's placed in the template listing.
Without having reviewed the archives in detail, I assume either the line has been blocked or eliminated somehow despite its being on the template listing; or it's somehow been blocked in the P-e usage of the template or in the Donald Trump infobox usage alone. I go into the particulars of my case at some length here because wherever it's been blocked I think the case gives good reason to revisit the blockage.
Or maybe I'm just using the infobox wrong. If that's so, I am sorry for all the detail and hope one can set me straight. I have just now tested | pronunciation = Trump and | branch [of military] = none solely for test purposes, also to no avail, so there's definitely something I don't understand here.
Cheers and thanks. Swliv ( talk) 17:20, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
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I think we should add a coalition parameter to the Infobox. There are many politicians in coalitions around the world, and in some nations coalitions may actually be more important than political parties. (such as how the Italian coalition The Other Europe was more powerful than the parties in the coalition) Overall, I don't really see why we shouldn't have it. Gavinjgrotegut ( talk) 15:53, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
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I am asking because I have run into many infoboxes that list the titles in reverse chronological order, where "office1" is the most recent or current office, and "office2" is the previous one, "office3" before that, etc. See John McCain for example. When the officeholder moves to a new office (if McCain were to become President, for example), the editor must insert the new office as the new "office1," and renumber all of the other offices to fit into the sequence. With eight offices to renumber in McCain's case, there's a lot of room for error.
If there were a switch to specify "descending sort," then the "bottom" office could be "office1" and when the officeholder moves to a new position, the new one could be added with the next number in sequence, eliminating the need to renumber the old offices. Does this facility already exist? Phlar ( talk) 23:08, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
Howdy. What's the views on numbering office holders, in their infoboxes? We've sorta gotta disputes going on at Joyce Banda, Paula Cox, Alex Scott. -- GoodDay ( talk) 16:53, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
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Should predecessors and successors continue to be part of the 'Infobox officeholder' template? And should it continue to be general practice to include them in officeholders' articles? Example of an article which includes this info: Barack Obama. Example of an article which does not: Michael Portillo. Specto73 ( talk) 18:40, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
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I added "image_upright" in the sandbox. It should be included to modify image scale while to respect user's preferences per WP:IMGSIZE. template:infobox person has one. George Ho ( talk) 07:19, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
Also added "image_upright" in the "if" preview portion (or how else do you call it?) of the sandbox. Should be added. -- George Ho ( talk) 20:49, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
I notices that several articles are using a hack to collapse some of the offices in the infobox, e.g., see Floriano Peixoto and Margaret Thatcher. it occurred to me that we could add this as a feature to this infobox. would this be useful, or is it too much for under 100 articles (see what links to Template:Collapsed infobox section begin)? Frietjes ( talk) 23:39, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi, i would like to request a slot "chief minister" be added into this infobox. There are many instances where a office holder has been a member of a provincial cabinet in which case having Chief minister name would be must. -- Saqib ( talk) 11:06, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
|1blankname=
and |1namedata=
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Phlar (
talk) 11:45, 9 February 2017 (UTC)Does this field exist here or is it under a different name? -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 20:19, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
Should this be used for non-political offices? e.g. Business positions? I notice Bill Gates doesn't have "CEO of Microsoft" (etc) in the info box. Should he have? What about people who are heads of charities or non-commerical, non-business entities? ____ Ebelular ( talk) 08:44, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
occupation
. Would it acceptable to change the Infobox person
to Infobox officeholder
and add office=CEO of
Microsoft|term_start=2014
? That's what I'm asking ____
Ebelular (
talk) 13:04, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
Infobox officeholder
is intended for political office holders, specifically people whose notability is based on the political offices that they hold or have held. Even if Gates has held a political office (has he?), his notability comes from other aspects of his life.
Phlar (
talk) 16:16, 28 February 2017 (UTC)Please remove default name appearing without using name parameter in case the infobox is used as a module in infobox person. Eg. Yogi Adityanath -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo ( talk · contribs · count) 10:55, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
The infobox is being used on various polical bios, a lot of whom had been a part of multiple political parties. Some of them contain all parties in a single tab, while others have divided it into party and other parties. Further, some contain the period of association while others don't. Can we bring some standardisation into this? How about we introduce |party= |party2= |party3= along with |party_start= |party_end= for each. For visible content, we can group all older parties in a single tab along with tenure in "small" tag in template coding itself. This will allow users without knowledge of various codes, to present party info more appropriately. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo ( talk · contribs · count) 18:48, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
I have added the party logo in some of the infoboxes. But certain users have opposed it. Is it possible to open it for RFC? -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo ( talk · contribs · count) 07:32, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
My take:
|birth_place=
.Phlar ( talk) 18:07, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
Is there a standard way of using this infobox to represent terms in office that have not started yet? I am thinking of elections that have been held and the results declared before the winners take office. My specific example is the
Western Australian Legislative Council where candidates were elected
on 11 March for terms to begin on 22 May. If we use |term_start=22 May 2017
it shows them as "incumbent", which is currently wrong. Thank you. --
Scott Davis
Talk 10:45, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
|succeeding=
, the "Incumbent" label should disappear from the resulting infobox and "Assumed office [date]" should become "Taking office [date]."
Phlar (
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This template already has many params of Template:Infobox military person. I suggest either merge the infobox into this one, or remove those params from this so that the said infobox can be embedded into this one. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo ( talk · contribs · count) 02:54, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
The image on Ranjit Singh is not visible. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo ( talk · contribs · count) 15:17, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
What is the intention for the website parameter? For example, articles P.G._Sittenfeld and Chris_Seelbach_(politician) use it for .com promotional sites. Article John Cranley uses the .gov site provided by the office. I have directed editors to this question from WP:RS/N, where I asked other similar WP:RS questions not related to this template here: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#RS_for_politicians. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 02:18, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
Supposedly, it was determined at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 126#RfC: Religion in biographical infoboxes that the religion parameter be removed from bio infoboxes. So, either it should be removed from this template or at least the message: "Do not insert religious denominations in this parameter by themselves; always enter the religion first. Also note that per WP:BLPCAT, categories or infobox statements regarding religious beliefs (or lack of such) should not be used unless the subject has publicly self-identified with the belief in question, and the subject's beliefs are relevant to their public life or notability, according to reliable published sources. Please provide source or discuss in Talk for 1°) a public statement and 2°) relevance to the subject's notability before adding any religious affiliation." needs to be changed (and hopefully shortened). -- Musdan77 ( talk) 02:22, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
The documentation for this infobox includes a long (visible) comment with the usual disclaimers about the religion field. However, is there a reason religion is present in this infobox given its removal from {{ Infobox person}}? Please see Template talk:Infobox person#Religion in other infoboxes. Johnuniq ( talk) 07:55, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
I need information about a parameter named "Chief Minister" in the "Infobox Indian politician". I need to add the Chief Minister's name when I write the politician's Ministerial term, since the Chief Minister in India is the head of the State Government and his responsibily is "first among equals". The cabinet enjoys a collective responsibilty. But the paramter for "Chief Minister" seems not present. Could someone pelase guide me about this? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kbdessai ( talk • contribs) 20:28, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
|1blankname=
and |1namedata=
, for example |1blankname=Chief Minister
and |1namedata=Pema Khandu
.
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Please add {{ subst:tfd}}, per a nomination by Dabao qian Ppp ery 21:36, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
I have started the discussion before, would like to relist for RFC. There should be params like party_start and party_end for politicians who have switched between parties. The display, however, should be using small template showing the duration besides party name. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo ( talk · contribs · count) 03:22, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
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Please replace | data31 = {{{spouse|}}} with {{#invoke:Wikidata|getValue|P26|{{{spouse|FETCH_WIKIDATA}}}}}. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo ( talk · contribs · count) 11:42, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
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Replace image and caption with
| image = {{#invoke:InfoboxImage|InfoboxImage|image={{#invoke:Wikidata|getValue|P18|{{{image|FETCH_WIKIDATA}}}}}|size={{{image size|{{{image_size|{{{imagesize|}}}}}}}}}|sizedefault=frameless|upright={{{image_upright|1}}}|alt={{{alt|}}}|suppressplaceholder=yes}}
| caption = {{{image caption|{{{caption|{{{image_caption|{{#invoke:Wikidata|getImageLegend|FETCH_WIKIDATA}}}}}}}}}}} -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo ( talk · contribs · count) 09:31, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Should we remove from Template:Infobox officeholder the |religion= parameter (and the associated |denomination= one)?. -- Anandmoorti ( talk) 05:03, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
@ SMcCandlish:-- Anandmoorti ( talk) 03:12, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
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Here's the most recent relevant RfC:
{{
Infobox person}}
and its derivatives, with the exception of the infobox for religious leaders, for whom they are necessarily relevant. This RfC was triggered by disputes about Bernie Sanders, and very explicitly applies to politicians.That is more than enough, though it came on the heels of several other RfCs (mostly at Template talk:Infobox person) concluding that use of these parameters (and ethnicity, which was removed from bio infoboxes in another RfC around the same time as the one linked above) had proven problematic as infobox data, e.g. describing nations as collectively having a religion, labeling atheism and agnosticism as religions, etc.
I'm not going to make the edit myself, because the TemplateEditor bit is for technical work, not for making changes to templates that involve consensus interpretation or enforcement. An admin should do it, as an administrative action to implement the results of repeated consensus discussion outcomes about this – including at Village Pump, our broadest set of eyeballs and brains, not just on "local consensus" infobox talk pages. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 07:16, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
I have removed religion. A first test shows that the template still works, but that you get a warning in preview if you use the religion parameter. I haven't found "denomination" in the template though. Fram ( talk) 06:58, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
As with president/PM/chancellor/governor/etc., it would be useful to be able to denote the mayors individuals serve under (e.g. in the case of deputy mayors); I'm attempting to insert an infobox on Xavier Breton but no equivalent parameter exists. Mélen cron 20:15, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
There is an RFC at Melania Trump Talk page Over whether to list Alma Mater for Maelania Trump since she did not complete the college. Please do make a comment at here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markbassett ( talk • contribs) 05:07, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
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I'm attempting to update French politics articles right now (which for the most part are outdated) and in the process one of the things I'd like to do is ensure that articles on all current deputies and senators have a decent article (i.e. infobox and well-cited). One of the limitations of this template is that it doesn't allow specifying a parliamentary group parameter. This would prove useful in certain circumstances where the parliamentary group is not the same as the party affiliation: e.g., Nuihau Laurey is a Tapura Huiraatira politician, part of the UDI–UC parliamentary group (Senate elections listed by parliamentary group, not individual parties; UDI–UC group contains numerous parties). It'd be included within the main office set of parameters if added, between the current "majority" and "predecessor" instances. Mélen cron 01:15, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
|parliamentarygroup=
, |parliamentarygroup2=
, |parliamentarygroup3=
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Mirroring {{ Infobox person}}, I am hoping to add a parameter for the subject's home town. As with {{ Infobox person}}, the parameter would be used when the subject's home town, as documented by reliable sources, is distinct from their birthplace. I have placed the proposed code in the template's sandbox. 142.160.131.202 ( talk) 20:17, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
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home_town
parameter would be inline with the specifications in the documentation for {{
Infobox person}} which says the parameter is for "The place where the person was raised and matured, if different from birthplace and residence."
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I feel that there needs to be a discussion about whether this parameter should become standardized or not for Members of the United States House of Representatives, current and former. Jajhill ( talk) 03:53, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
I am puzzled as to why Vice President Andrew Johnson's honorific prefix is set as Brigadier General when a Veep would outrank a General. And why does Washington have the prefix of General of the Armies when the office of US President would outrank the military rank? And how about Alexander Hamilton who held the military rank of Major General and yet the prefix is missing from his infobox... If someone could just lay out in clear language, for Wikipedia's purposes, what an honorific-prefix actually is that would be most helpful to me. Shearonink ( talk) 05:11, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
User:SMcCandlish your last edits made honorific prefixes and suffixes appear bolded. I think this is unnecessary and somewhat distracting, especially for people with multiple prefixes and suffixes. Could it be fixed? Ivar the Boneful ( talk) 11:57, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
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May I request that "employer" be added to the Personal data template, below "occupation"? Greg ( talk) 21:30, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
{{
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request. What is the parameter for? What are the use cases? I don't know if you mean you want a parameter that identifies what government and division they work for, or what their additional private-sector job is, or what. Is it meant to be limited to current employer(s)? The most important question is probably, what problem are you trying to solve, and can you show that there really is a problem? —
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¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 00:47, 27 September 2017 (UTC)Apparently the topic of inclusion of religion in political officeholder infoboxes was already broached in the past, and was acted upon earlier this year. I only noticed recently when I went to check on some U.S. Senators religions, to find out that information had been deleted, as it used to be a standard part of the Infobox. With the removal of religion from the Infobox it certainly makes many of the Infoboxes irrelevant to any quick reference. Was this deleted for the simplify the efforts of Wikipedian editors, or to obfuscate the reasons for an officeholder's election, or to dumbdown the information that Wikipedia provides? It certainly does add to Wikipedia's efforts to become increasingly irrelevant in the digital future. So many politicians in the United States were historically and still are elected on religious grounds, so why would this pertinent information be removed from an infobox? The religion box would, in many cases, provide a foundation for an inquiring encyclopedia reader, to quickly understand why and how an officeholder represents their community. Yes, in some states it probably doesn't matter very much, but in more than half of the U.S. it is undoubtedly the difference between being elected or not. I am an atheist, but I do recognize that 90& of the U.S. openly believes in a god, which is comparable to the Islamic World or ardently Catholic nations. While secularism, especially in the United States, is a political goal of some, it should not be a factor in the decisionmaking that governs the design and navigation of an effective encyclopedia. The U.S. is one of the most religious nations in the world, and our politicians reflect that. Shouldn't Wikipedia provide information to readers, to reflect current reality? Isn't one of Wikipedia's alleged purposes, to provide a resource for quick information? With all due respect, the removal of this information was and is absurd. I cannot fathom the reasoning that might have gone into its removal, unless they were British, who are less susceptible to the ardent religious dogma, that is unique to the U.S. in Western Civilization, and so theorized that it wasn't germane to a political officeholder, because in the UK it probably less relevant. In the U.S., however, probably because the European populations that originally settled it were more religiously fanatical than their European counterparts, the U.S. has emerged as still heavily influenced politically by religion. It has actually actively shaped U.S. politics since the 1960s, when Kevin Phillips devised the so-called Southern Strategy for the Republican Party in 1968. That strategy - premised on religion - has elected how many U.S. presidents, including the current one? Why would religion have been taken out of the Officeholders Infobox, if that is the case? Stevenmitchell ( talk) 01:21, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
How do we note that someone uses two different names? Specifically, Gopal Goyal Kanda also uses the name Gopal Kumar Goyal. This is significant because election papers will show the latter but the former is his common name and, seemingly, a legal alias. - Sitush ( talk) 04:47, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
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It'd be convenient if this infobox displayed the total time in public office at the top. Many politicians occupy more than one, two, or even three offices throughout their career, and sometimes they serve many roles in a single office (e.g. senators may also be Senate Majority Leader, Whip, etc...), obscuring the length of their careers. This makes it hard to tell whether their public office carrers are contiguous, and when they leave (to become lobbyists or media personalities). It'd be useful, I think. Test35965 ( talk) 21:16, 25 October 2016 (UTC) Test35965 ( talk) 21:16, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
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Hello. Can someone please add another
non-breaking space after "of" and before "death" in = Cause of death
(nbsp shown in markup). Thanks.--
Nevé
–
selbert 20:55, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
I had forgotten that I started this discussion nine months ago. There was support for adding the parameter then, and since then consensus was found for it to be added to Infobox person. The way it was done there is that what is put in the denomination parameter automatically shows on the page in parentheses after the religion. I figure, since the religion parameter is probably used more in politician's infoboxes than any others, then this should be added here as well. [Pinging John of Reading, wbm1058] — Musdan77 ( talk) 18:45, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
|denomination=
field being added to the "Infobox person", no, that already existed long
before the RfC was conducted. Regards,
Xenophrenic (
talk) 00:17, 16 November 2016 (UTC)|religion=
parameter is to be removed, and that is still the case. In my follow-up comment, I was just clarifying for you that there are rare cases when a person's religion is a defining characteristic of their notability, (i.e.; they are a member of the clergy, a Nun, Pope, Bishop, Friar, Rabbi, etc.) yet they aren't using a religion-based Infobox, but instead use a more general Infobox. In those cases, a custom field may be created, or the information can just remain in the body of the article. This is also explained in that same RfC.This
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Remove |salary=
and |net_worth=
between |label44=
and |label45=
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Could someone please add the Head of government title "Minister president" (and "Vice minister president") to the template? It's pretty much the same like a prime minister and often used similar e. g. in German. As the Heads of state and government of the 16 German federal states are always called minister president (excluding three mayors), it would be nice to use the term in English Wikipedia as well. -- SamWinchester000 ( talk) 01:03, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
So, what do we have to do to implement that parameter? Articles like Matthias Platzeck, List of Ministers-President of Austria, Minister President of Prussia, List of Ministers-President of Brandenburg and also Minister-President of the Walloon Region clearly use that term. So infoboxes of federal ministers referring to their "boss" should be able to use Minister President as well and not Prime Minister. -- SamWinchester000 ( talk) 06:34, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
I'm confused. I came to the Talk page here thinking there was a |height = line in this infobox. It's right there in Template:Infobox officeholder#Personal data. But I searched the archive before starting my new section and found, most recently, 'Height again!' from 2014 with the clear sense that there was no |height = option in the infobox. It's one of half a dozen or so archive entries with 'height' mentioned. 'Heightism' is mentioned also in the archive discussions.
My case in point is Donald Trump. There's been a bit of a controversy about the President-elect's height, I've found, nicely summarized here in "Trump's driver's license casts doubt on height claims" by Darren Samuelsohn in Politico today: Public, televised assertion by the P-e, "an open-records request" yielding contrary evidence, an “it irritates him" assertion et c. I first added the basic '6 ft 2 in or 6 ft 3 in' info to the 'Personal life' part of the text of the article -- just noting the options and letting the source do the rest -- and at last check it resided there still. I worried that 'height' and 'life' don't fully work together and thought about renaming the umbrella section just 'Personal'. Then I thought about the infobox and tried to do the '|height =' personal-data addition there. I wasn't sure it could handle the 'or' part of the text but was beginning to accept it would just have the P-e's assertion with the cite doing all the rest. In any event, nothing. No sign of 'Height' in a preview of the edit. I placed it after 'other party' as it's placed in the template listing.
Without having reviewed the archives in detail, I assume either the line has been blocked or eliminated somehow despite its being on the template listing; or it's somehow been blocked in the P-e usage of the template or in the Donald Trump infobox usage alone. I go into the particulars of my case at some length here because wherever it's been blocked I think the case gives good reason to revisit the blockage.
Or maybe I'm just using the infobox wrong. If that's so, I am sorry for all the detail and hope one can set me straight. I have just now tested | pronunciation = Trump and | branch [of military] = none solely for test purposes, also to no avail, so there's definitely something I don't understand here.
Cheers and thanks. Swliv ( talk) 17:20, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
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I think we should add a coalition parameter to the Infobox. There are many politicians in coalitions around the world, and in some nations coalitions may actually be more important than political parties. (such as how the Italian coalition The Other Europe was more powerful than the parties in the coalition) Overall, I don't really see why we shouldn't have it. Gavinjgrotegut ( talk) 15:53, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
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I am asking because I have run into many infoboxes that list the titles in reverse chronological order, where "office1" is the most recent or current office, and "office2" is the previous one, "office3" before that, etc. See John McCain for example. When the officeholder moves to a new office (if McCain were to become President, for example), the editor must insert the new office as the new "office1," and renumber all of the other offices to fit into the sequence. With eight offices to renumber in McCain's case, there's a lot of room for error.
If there were a switch to specify "descending sort," then the "bottom" office could be "office1" and when the officeholder moves to a new position, the new one could be added with the next number in sequence, eliminating the need to renumber the old offices. Does this facility already exist? Phlar ( talk) 23:08, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
Howdy. What's the views on numbering office holders, in their infoboxes? We've sorta gotta disputes going on at Joyce Banda, Paula Cox, Alex Scott. -- GoodDay ( talk) 16:53, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
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Should predecessors and successors continue to be part of the 'Infobox officeholder' template? And should it continue to be general practice to include them in officeholders' articles? Example of an article which includes this info: Barack Obama. Example of an article which does not: Michael Portillo. Specto73 ( talk) 18:40, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
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I added "image_upright" in the sandbox. It should be included to modify image scale while to respect user's preferences per WP:IMGSIZE. template:infobox person has one. George Ho ( talk) 07:19, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
Also added "image_upright" in the "if" preview portion (or how else do you call it?) of the sandbox. Should be added. -- George Ho ( talk) 20:49, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
I notices that several articles are using a hack to collapse some of the offices in the infobox, e.g., see Floriano Peixoto and Margaret Thatcher. it occurred to me that we could add this as a feature to this infobox. would this be useful, or is it too much for under 100 articles (see what links to Template:Collapsed infobox section begin)? Frietjes ( talk) 23:39, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi, i would like to request a slot "chief minister" be added into this infobox. There are many instances where a office holder has been a member of a provincial cabinet in which case having Chief minister name would be must. -- Saqib ( talk) 11:06, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
|1blankname=
and |1namedata=
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Phlar (
talk) 11:45, 9 February 2017 (UTC)Does this field exist here or is it under a different name? -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 20:19, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
Should this be used for non-political offices? e.g. Business positions? I notice Bill Gates doesn't have "CEO of Microsoft" (etc) in the info box. Should he have? What about people who are heads of charities or non-commerical, non-business entities? ____ Ebelular ( talk) 08:44, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
occupation
. Would it acceptable to change the Infobox person
to Infobox officeholder
and add office=CEO of
Microsoft|term_start=2014
? That's what I'm asking ____
Ebelular (
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Infobox officeholder
is intended for political office holders, specifically people whose notability is based on the political offices that they hold or have held. Even if Gates has held a political office (has he?), his notability comes from other aspects of his life.
Phlar (
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The infobox is being used on various polical bios, a lot of whom had been a part of multiple political parties. Some of them contain all parties in a single tab, while others have divided it into party and other parties. Further, some contain the period of association while others don't. Can we bring some standardisation into this? How about we introduce |party= |party2= |party3= along with |party_start= |party_end= for each. For visible content, we can group all older parties in a single tab along with tenure in "small" tag in template coding itself. This will allow users without knowledge of various codes, to present party info more appropriately. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo ( talk · contribs · count) 18:48, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
I have added the party logo in some of the infoboxes. But certain users have opposed it. Is it possible to open it for RFC? -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo ( talk · contribs · count) 07:32, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
My take:
|birth_place=
.Phlar ( talk) 18:07, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
Is there a standard way of using this infobox to represent terms in office that have not started yet? I am thinking of elections that have been held and the results declared before the winners take office. My specific example is the
Western Australian Legislative Council where candidates were elected
on 11 March for terms to begin on 22 May. If we use |term_start=22 May 2017
it shows them as "incumbent", which is currently wrong. Thank you. --
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|succeeding=
, the "Incumbent" label should disappear from the resulting infobox and "Assumed office [date]" should become "Taking office [date]."
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This template already has many params of Template:Infobox military person. I suggest either merge the infobox into this one, or remove those params from this so that the said infobox can be embedded into this one. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo ( talk · contribs · count) 02:54, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
The image on Ranjit Singh is not visible. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo ( talk · contribs · count) 15:17, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
What is the intention for the website parameter? For example, articles P.G._Sittenfeld and Chris_Seelbach_(politician) use it for .com promotional sites. Article John Cranley uses the .gov site provided by the office. I have directed editors to this question from WP:RS/N, where I asked other similar WP:RS questions not related to this template here: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#RS_for_politicians. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 02:18, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
Supposedly, it was determined at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 126#RfC: Religion in biographical infoboxes that the religion parameter be removed from bio infoboxes. So, either it should be removed from this template or at least the message: "Do not insert religious denominations in this parameter by themselves; always enter the religion first. Also note that per WP:BLPCAT, categories or infobox statements regarding religious beliefs (or lack of such) should not be used unless the subject has publicly self-identified with the belief in question, and the subject's beliefs are relevant to their public life or notability, according to reliable published sources. Please provide source or discuss in Talk for 1°) a public statement and 2°) relevance to the subject's notability before adding any religious affiliation." needs to be changed (and hopefully shortened). -- Musdan77 ( talk) 02:22, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
The documentation for this infobox includes a long (visible) comment with the usual disclaimers about the religion field. However, is there a reason religion is present in this infobox given its removal from {{ Infobox person}}? Please see Template talk:Infobox person#Religion in other infoboxes. Johnuniq ( talk) 07:55, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
I need information about a parameter named "Chief Minister" in the "Infobox Indian politician". I need to add the Chief Minister's name when I write the politician's Ministerial term, since the Chief Minister in India is the head of the State Government and his responsibily is "first among equals". The cabinet enjoys a collective responsibilty. But the paramter for "Chief Minister" seems not present. Could someone pelase guide me about this? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kbdessai ( talk • contribs) 20:28, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
|1blankname=
and |1namedata=
, for example |1blankname=Chief Minister
and |1namedata=Pema Khandu
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Please add {{ subst:tfd}}, per a nomination by Dabao qian Ppp ery 21:36, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
I have started the discussion before, would like to relist for RFC. There should be params like party_start and party_end for politicians who have switched between parties. The display, however, should be using small template showing the duration besides party name. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo ( talk · contribs · count) 03:22, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
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Please replace | data31 = {{{spouse|}}} with {{#invoke:Wikidata|getValue|P26|{{{spouse|FETCH_WIKIDATA}}}}}. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo ( talk · contribs · count) 11:42, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
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Replace image and caption with
| image = {{#invoke:InfoboxImage|InfoboxImage|image={{#invoke:Wikidata|getValue|P18|{{{image|FETCH_WIKIDATA}}}}}|size={{{image size|{{{image_size|{{{imagesize|}}}}}}}}}|sizedefault=frameless|upright={{{image_upright|1}}}|alt={{{alt|}}}|suppressplaceholder=yes}}
| caption = {{{image caption|{{{caption|{{{image_caption|{{#invoke:Wikidata|getImageLegend|FETCH_WIKIDATA}}}}}}}}}}} -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo ( talk · contribs · count) 09:31, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Should we remove from Template:Infobox officeholder the |religion= parameter (and the associated |denomination= one)?. -- Anandmoorti ( talk) 05:03, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
@ SMcCandlish:-- Anandmoorti ( talk) 03:12, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
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Here's the most recent relevant RfC:
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Infobox person}}
and its derivatives, with the exception of the infobox for religious leaders, for whom they are necessarily relevant. This RfC was triggered by disputes about Bernie Sanders, and very explicitly applies to politicians.That is more than enough, though it came on the heels of several other RfCs (mostly at Template talk:Infobox person) concluding that use of these parameters (and ethnicity, which was removed from bio infoboxes in another RfC around the same time as the one linked above) had proven problematic as infobox data, e.g. describing nations as collectively having a religion, labeling atheism and agnosticism as religions, etc.
I'm not going to make the edit myself, because the TemplateEditor bit is for technical work, not for making changes to templates that involve consensus interpretation or enforcement. An admin should do it, as an administrative action to implement the results of repeated consensus discussion outcomes about this – including at Village Pump, our broadest set of eyeballs and brains, not just on "local consensus" infobox talk pages. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 07:16, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
I have removed religion. A first test shows that the template still works, but that you get a warning in preview if you use the religion parameter. I haven't found "denomination" in the template though. Fram ( talk) 06:58, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
As with president/PM/chancellor/governor/etc., it would be useful to be able to denote the mayors individuals serve under (e.g. in the case of deputy mayors); I'm attempting to insert an infobox on Xavier Breton but no equivalent parameter exists. Mélen cron 20:15, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
There is an RFC at Melania Trump Talk page Over whether to list Alma Mater for Maelania Trump since she did not complete the college. Please do make a comment at here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markbassett ( talk • contribs) 05:07, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
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I'm attempting to update French politics articles right now (which for the most part are outdated) and in the process one of the things I'd like to do is ensure that articles on all current deputies and senators have a decent article (i.e. infobox and well-cited). One of the limitations of this template is that it doesn't allow specifying a parliamentary group parameter. This would prove useful in certain circumstances where the parliamentary group is not the same as the party affiliation: e.g., Nuihau Laurey is a Tapura Huiraatira politician, part of the UDI–UC parliamentary group (Senate elections listed by parliamentary group, not individual parties; UDI–UC group contains numerous parties). It'd be included within the main office set of parameters if added, between the current "majority" and "predecessor" instances. Mélen cron 01:15, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
|parliamentarygroup=
, |parliamentarygroup2=
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Mirroring {{ Infobox person}}, I am hoping to add a parameter for the subject's home town. As with {{ Infobox person}}, the parameter would be used when the subject's home town, as documented by reliable sources, is distinct from their birthplace. I have placed the proposed code in the template's sandbox. 142.160.131.202 ( talk) 20:17, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
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home_town
parameter would be inline with the specifications in the documentation for {{
Infobox person}} which says the parameter is for "The place where the person was raised and matured, if different from birthplace and residence."
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I feel that there needs to be a discussion about whether this parameter should become standardized or not for Members of the United States House of Representatives, current and former. Jajhill ( talk) 03:53, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
I am puzzled as to why Vice President Andrew Johnson's honorific prefix is set as Brigadier General when a Veep would outrank a General. And why does Washington have the prefix of General of the Armies when the office of US President would outrank the military rank? And how about Alexander Hamilton who held the military rank of Major General and yet the prefix is missing from his infobox... If someone could just lay out in clear language, for Wikipedia's purposes, what an honorific-prefix actually is that would be most helpful to me. Shearonink ( talk) 05:11, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
User:SMcCandlish your last edits made honorific prefixes and suffixes appear bolded. I think this is unnecessary and somewhat distracting, especially for people with multiple prefixes and suffixes. Could it be fixed? Ivar the Boneful ( talk) 11:57, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
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May I request that "employer" be added to the Personal data template, below "occupation"? Greg ( talk) 21:30, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
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request. What is the parameter for? What are the use cases? I don't know if you mean you want a parameter that identifies what government and division they work for, or what their additional private-sector job is, or what. Is it meant to be limited to current employer(s)? The most important question is probably, what problem are you trying to solve, and can you show that there really is a problem? —
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How do we note that someone uses two different names? Specifically, Gopal Goyal Kanda also uses the name Gopal Kumar Goyal. This is significant because election papers will show the latter but the former is his common name and, seemingly, a legal alias. - Sitush ( talk) 04:47, 11 August 2017 (UTC)