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A project I'm running, and a related event in mid-January will soon add around a thousand recordings of article subjects' voices to their biographies. I'd like to embed those in the relevant infoboxes, as in this example (using {{ Infobox person}}). Can we add the necessary parameter to this template? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:07, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
This infobox is discussed, at Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2013-07-10/Dispatch, using Winston Churchill as an example.
I agree with the argument that the succession/ prime minister information is superfluous on that article; it's already in the succession boxes at the foot of the article. That infobox should also display persona biography (dates of birth and death, etc.) ahead of posts held.
How can we best remedy these issues? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:41, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
Should the successor/predecessor fields be kept, removed, or altered? — Designate ( talk) 13:07, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
Are we going to harmonize with "template:infobox person" and have a field for "Alma mater" and "education"? That way we do not have to keep fighting over which of the many schools someone attends gets to be their singular nourishing mother, which is the only field supported here. "Alma mater" (singular) by Wikipedia usage appears to be the undergraduate education. Some people attend prep school or prominent high school like Bronx Science, college, graduate school. Some people have multiple degrees, like M.D.-Ph.D. or were Rhode Scholars and split their education with time at University of Oxford. The education field can list all prominent schools separated by breaks. Either field can be left empty. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 02:20, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
We need the field "| mayor = ". We have city offices appointed by mayors, like chief of police and fire chief. I am working on the chiefs of police and fire chiefs for New York City and Philadelphia. We already have fields for presidents and for governors, for federal and state appointees. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 22:46, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
That is a simple solution. How did it get to proliferate to "| deputy = | lieutenant = | monarch = | president = | primeminister = | chancellor = | governor = " ? -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 01:23, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
Next question: Which field should we be using no matter which entity appointed the person? "| deputy = | lieutenant = | monarch = | president = | primeminister = | chancellor = | governor = " or "appointed by =" ? "Appointed by =" gives the label: "Appointed by Woodrow Wilson" whereas "President =" gives "President Woodrow Wilson". Lots of options are nice, but having a consistent look and feel is important also. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 01:54, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
If start_date is given but end_date is not, a link "incumbent" is automatically generated. However, in the case of historical figures the end_date might be missing because it is unknown or because we can't find it. Is there a way to suppress "incumbent" in that case? Zero talk 03:53, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
It seems to me that we need a denomination field, to be able to distinguish between religion and denominational affiliation, without losing good and specific information. – St.nerol ( talk) 19:48, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
For people who are no longer in office, or for whom the office is occupied at the same time as they have a professional career, this template needs the |employer=
parameter, like in {{
Infobox person}}.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 20:20, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
|profession=
" should not be used for "|employer=
", for reasons of preserving
data granularity, but its very existence is an argument for an |employer=
parameter.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 21:58, 8 March 2014 (UTC)I wonder what is the best way to link to the cabinet a minister belongs, which in many cases is more interesting than linking to the individual Prime Minister. Parameters cabinet or minister_from don't seem to serve this particular need.
The template documentation and examples did not help me to understand the best way to do that, probably because they currently have a very US-American flavour and ministerial positions are quite specific in the American presidential system, however {{ Infobox minister}} redirects there and this seems to be the right template.
Does anybody have an idea on how to do that? Place Clichy ( talk) 11:16, 30 November 2013 (UTC) (Copied from Archive 17)
Currently, there isn't enough contrast, in size and/or colour, between the font used for the honorifics and post-nominal letters and that used for the subject's name. The subject's name, which should obviously be the most prominent textual element, becomes camouflaged among a jumble of words and letters. Can the sizing and colours/tones be adjusted to remedy this legibility issue? -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 17:02, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
The Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean PC CC CMM COM CD FRCPSC(hon) | |
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The use of reduced font sizes should be used sparingly. Avoid using smaller font sizes in elements that already use a smaller font size, such as infoboxes, navboxes and reference sections. In no case should the resulting font size drop below 85% of the page fontsize (or 11px)." and is simply too small (and dim) for many (including myself) to read:
The Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean PC CC CMM COM CD FRCPSC(hon) | |
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The Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean PC CC CMM COM CD FRCPSC(hon) | |
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The Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean PC CC CMM COM CD FRCPSC(hon) | |
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Another alternative is to keep the honorifcs as at present, but make the name bigger. I've mocked that up here. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:08, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
<td>...</td>
). I've
tweaked the sandbox to make the title 5% bigger. You can edit the sandbox as well, if you want to try bigger sizes, because it's not protected like the main template is. You may need to purge the sandbox page to make any changes visible. Unfortunately, the 'preview' box at the bottom of the sandbox version doesn't work because of the redirect. Would
Freeman Freeman-Thomas, 1st Marquess of Willingdon have the longest title ("the Marquess of Willingdon") that you're aware of? --
RexxS (
talk) 22:35, 23 April 2014 (UTC)The Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean PC CC CMM COM CD FRCPSC(hon) | |
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Major the Most Honourable the Marquess of Willingdon PC GCSI GCMG GCIE GBE | |
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Seems to me that the "Lieutenant governor" field messes with the alignment of the infomation column on templated that use this eg. Alison Redford, Alexander Edmund Batson Davie, John Robson, etc., in that it compresses it and makes unnecessary line breaks... is there any way a linebreak can be put between the words "Lieutenant Governor" on the box? Thanks. – Connormah ( talk) 23:56, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
"Relations" is rather ambiguous. Wouldn't "relatives" be better? Zero talk 11:29, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Any reason that this template doesn't have, say, a |birth_name=
parameter? For people like
Matthew Oakeshott, Baron Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay, for example, it would be sensible to include the name "Matthew Alan Oakeshott" in the infobox.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 18:19, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
In the article on Rory Stewart, in the info box, it mentions that he had:
But clearly 24.9% is not a majority, though was enough to get him elected.
I suggest we add a new item called 'Votes', so we could have:
Aberdeen01 ( talk) 03:37, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm seeing some calls to add additional fields in earlier discussions.
Just a reminder: |blank1=
and |data1=
and so on exist so you can use custom fields.
davidwr/(
talk)/(
contribs) 03:44, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
What about |origin=
? It probably wouldn't take me long at all to compile a rather lengthy list of persons whose birthplace is significantly different from the family's place of residence at the time of their birth. As myself and others have pointed out in numerous past discussions, we shouldn't be giving undue weight to a person's birthplace when it's strictly incidental to their overall story.
RadioKAOS /
Talk to me, Billy /
Transmissions 11:57, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Should the chronology run with the most recent office at the top or the most recent office at the bottom? I just looked at 10 people and they were about equal in the way the chronology was displayed, as well as one that was not in chronological order, but had the most important one at the top. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 01:57, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi Wikipedia mavens. I am wondering how hard it would be to make one new field available for most elected officials, an "Eligible For Re-election" field with month and year and a bold header similar to "Assumed Office." This field could have a profound impact on how users digest Wikipedia information for elected officials. Right now, if a user researches for Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama, for example, he/she discovers he came to office in 1997. They might assume 1996 was an election year for his office (He could also have been appointed in the wake of a death/resignation). Then the reader must either Google for when Sessions is up for re-election or else do mental acrobatics to decide when Jeff Sessions is up again for reelection. They might try to calculate in their head following election years => 2002, 2008, and 2014. This is an awful lot of mental gyration for most readers simply trying to quickly distill the most important data for Senator Jeff Sessions. In a day and age when most Americans probably think 6-year terms are too long and elected officials should be subject to term limits, seems like a field like this would be very valuable to voters, writers, teachers, etc; but I would not be sure where to create the field in the template for general use. I would gladly volunteer to go in and add this field to pages for all 50 US Senators. I understand how to use the fields once they're part of a template; but I don't know how to integrate the initial coding. -- KWSager ( talk) 01:26, 21 10 June 2014 (EST)
|current_term_expires=
for countries like the United States with fixed-length periods between elections and |current_term_expires_no_later_than=
for countries like Great Britain where there is a maximum period before the next elections but "snap elections" may be called before that date. It should be written to include behind-the-scenes code similar to {{
update after}}, so that when the term expires the article is put into an "out of date article" maintenance category.
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talk)/(
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To amend the instructions for "predecessor" and "successor" per apparent consensus at the RfC:
Where the use of "same district number" is used for determining "predecessor" and "successor" in any office, but where the area is so altered as to make such a "predecessor" or "successor" of little or no biographical value, the word "redistricted" should be used rather than using names of officeholders whose connection is accidental by virtue of district number, but unrelated to any election contests between officeholders.
Collect ( talk) 22:12, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
It is not a change to the template proper but to the instructions under "Usage" Collect ( talk) 23:28, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
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Paragraph 4 under "Usage" currently has:
Where a politician was redistricted into a new district, you can use |prior_term= to indicate which district(s) he was in before. This saves space in the infobox by not generating a completely new office each time redistricting happens. If you do this, it is recommended that you list the person preceded when the subject first took office and the person succeeded when the subject last left office. If more complete documentation of the districts is desired, it can be done with succession boxes at the end of the article.
The change would have it read (per RfC above with a clear consensus):
Where a politician was redistricted into a new district, you can use |prior_term= to indicate which district(s) he was in before. This saves space in the infobox by not generating a completely new office each time redistricting happens. If you do this, it is recommended that you list the person preceded when the subject first took office and the person succeeded when the subject last left office. If more complete documentation of the districts is desired, it can be done with succession boxes at the end of the article.Where the use of "same district number" is used for determining "predecessor" and "successor" in any office, but where the area is so altered as to make such a "predecessor" or "successor" of little or no biographical value, the word "redistricted" should be used rather than using names of officeholders whose connection is accidental by virtue of district number, but unrelated to any election contests between officeholders.
This is in accord with the RfC above, and there is no reason to have it in a sandbox first as it makes absolutely no change to the template itself. The underline is to make absolutely clear what is to be added, and the strikeout is to indicate a sentence which would be quite unclear in application with the new sentence. The use of "succession boxes" at the end of the article is not actually a part of this template. Collect ( talk) 23:36, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
{{
edit template-protected}}
is usually not required for edits to the documentation, categories, or interlanguage links of templates using a
documentation subpage. Use the 'edit' link at the top of the green "Template documentation" box to edit the documentation subpage.
Jackmcbarn (
talk) 23:51, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
This is not on a "documentation subpage". There is no way to edit the usage paragraphs without using the edit request form I used. Cheers.
Collect (
talk) 23:56, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
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Repeating above request as Catch-22 applies -- there is NO WAY to edit the Usage section which is where the requested edit will appear. Cheers. Collect ( talk) 23:57, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Collect ( talk) 23:57, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
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Where the use of "same district number" is used for determining "predecessor" and "successor" n any office, but where the area is so altered as to make such a "predecessor" or "successor" of little or no biographical value, should the infobox be deprecated for such redistricting changes? 19:38, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
This arose at Michael Grimm (politician) which has an interesting infobox asserting that he was succeeded in Congress by Charles Rangel. It was pointed out to me that the consensus somewhere must have been to treat districts in that manner, although I have not found such a discussion, and it general will only show as a problem where a state has actually lost one or more districts and the new district numbers bear no connection to former district numbers, which is a relatively small number. In such instances, few as they are, the results may be rather risible. I suggest that where such a "clean break" on districting occurs, that a note to that effect be placed in the infobox and not use the inapt "predecessor" and "successor" results. Collect ( talk) 19:38, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
The same question arises with an office itself. If an office with a functional jurisdiction, akin to an office representing a district, has completely changed its character between officeholders but keeps the same name, is "such a 'predecessor' or 'successor' of little or no biographical value"? Int21h ( talk) 20:16, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
If the shape of a district changes in a very minor way, or even a moderate way, how do we intend to deal with that? Let's do a thought experiment. Imagine a square foot moved from district 1 to district 2, and both congresspeople won election. How about if one retired? Imagine just the house of the congressperson was in said square foot? I have real concerns that this hasn't been thought out well. Hipocrite ( talk) 11:47, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
as does the NY Times [8], where his predecessor is Adam Clayton Powell, Jr.. Rangel's infobox is basically nonsense, saying he has 4 different predecessors, when he has continuously held the Harlem seat for decades. Gaijin42 ( talk) 21:58, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
Rangel infobox showing multiple predecessors and successors
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The consensus is quite clear at this point. Collect ( talk) 22:08, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Could you please add height under personal details!!!!!???? Heightism has been shown to be a factor in deciding elections and it does no harm to add it! Please??? Nick B 1993 ( talk) 02:19, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
What an utterly fallacious rebuttal. An argument a hugely ignorant person would give. "Looks good on television" is not an infobox parameter on any page on Wikipedia but height is. Blood type is only significant in certain countries' elections and thus not a universal factor in deciding elections but every election contester in every country has a height which significantly influences someone's vote in any election believe it or not. The reasons used for omitting "blood type" and 'Looks good on television' from infoboxes can not be used to justify the omission of the height parameter. I wouldn't of minded if a decent argument had been presented but instead I get some jocular comment as a response which is supposed to shut me up. Highly insolent! Who are you to state what's encyclopaedic anyway and how can you even begin to take the line of argument that blood type and looks are as significant and as objective as height is? No one is objectively seen as 'looking good on telly' as there is always disparity in views on the way someone looks and blood type is objective but is only a significant influence in elections in certain geographical locations. Height however is OBJECTIVE and SIGNIFICANT EVERYWHERE!! Statistics, History and the gait, stance and actions of contemporary political leaders worldwide when in the public eye PROVE IT! I am highly offended that that reply was used in response to my request. I was polite and unassuming and my request was met with malevolence, ignorance, contempt and pretence and that is out of order. I would've preferred you just to have said without the reasons that it's not going to be done. I would've accepted that but as it is I'm shutting up and I'm deeply offended. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nick B 1993 ( talk • contribs) 02:52, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
There are numerous sources which point out that Montell Jordan and Krist Novoselic are both 6'7". However, I haven't come across any sources which contend that this is the reason why they enjoyed success in the music industry. In fact, compared to Kurt Cobain and Dave Grohl, Novoselic has largely been forgotten in the 20 years since Cobain's death. As far as politicians go, when I met Bruce Weyhrauch in 2004, the first thing to grab my attention was the fact that he's in the 6'5–6" range. As history has shown, though, he wound up having a pretty unspectacular political career. His article is more a coatrack to Alaska political corruption probe than a proper political biography. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 09:50, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure what would be a proper English term for this, but this field would be very relevant for infoboxes about people from countries with tribal/denomination/ethnicity/religion (yet not only religion; as religion is obviously not enough to show significance in contexts where other denominations are the prevalent), that would include for example tutsi and hutu in context such as Rwanda or Burundi; kurds (Sunni Kurd, shei Kurd) in Iraq and Syria, arab (christian arab , druze arab) or beduin in Israel, circassian in jordan, Bedouin (Sinai Bedouin or eastern desert or western desert), Nubian, saidi, Bahari's (lower egypt) and Upper Egyptians, tribal power relations and affiliations ...etc. -- 197.135.187.134 ( talk) 00:14, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
The documentation says "The persons name". This should be changed to "The person's name". Furthermore, the section title "Nominee/Candidate" should be changed to "Nominee/candidate" per MOS:CAPS. -- Omnipaedista ( talk) 22:18, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
I've raised a query at Talk:Ted_Cruz about that senator's infobox - it looks as though the useful text 'United States Senator' appears in his infobox through a horribly hacky dependence upon a deprecated field jr/sr being non-empty. Could someone who understands templates makes things better? 54.240.197.225 ( talk) 11:34, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
United States Senator from ...
. the decision was the Junior/Senior prefix wasn't necessary, but the method for indicating the individual is a senator stayed. you can, technically, replace it with | order = [[United States Senator]]<br>from [[Texas]]. however, I agree that the better thing would be to have say |senator_state=Texas
which would replace the combination |jr/sr=
+ |state=Texas
. comments?
Frietjes (
talk) 20:32, 5 November 2014 (UTC)Few people seriously use "junior Senator" with regard to an office. Collect ( talk) 21:45, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
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A project I'm running, and a related event in mid-January will soon add around a thousand recordings of article subjects' voices to their biographies. I'd like to embed those in the relevant infoboxes, as in this example (using {{ Infobox person}}). Can we add the necessary parameter to this template? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:07, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
This infobox is discussed, at Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2013-07-10/Dispatch, using Winston Churchill as an example.
I agree with the argument that the succession/ prime minister information is superfluous on that article; it's already in the succession boxes at the foot of the article. That infobox should also display persona biography (dates of birth and death, etc.) ahead of posts held.
How can we best remedy these issues? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:41, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
Should the successor/predecessor fields be kept, removed, or altered? — Designate ( talk) 13:07, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
Are we going to harmonize with "template:infobox person" and have a field for "Alma mater" and "education"? That way we do not have to keep fighting over which of the many schools someone attends gets to be their singular nourishing mother, which is the only field supported here. "Alma mater" (singular) by Wikipedia usage appears to be the undergraduate education. Some people attend prep school or prominent high school like Bronx Science, college, graduate school. Some people have multiple degrees, like M.D.-Ph.D. or were Rhode Scholars and split their education with time at University of Oxford. The education field can list all prominent schools separated by breaks. Either field can be left empty. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 02:20, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
We need the field "| mayor = ". We have city offices appointed by mayors, like chief of police and fire chief. I am working on the chiefs of police and fire chiefs for New York City and Philadelphia. We already have fields for presidents and for governors, for federal and state appointees. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 22:46, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
That is a simple solution. How did it get to proliferate to "| deputy = | lieutenant = | monarch = | president = | primeminister = | chancellor = | governor = " ? -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 01:23, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
Next question: Which field should we be using no matter which entity appointed the person? "| deputy = | lieutenant = | monarch = | president = | primeminister = | chancellor = | governor = " or "appointed by =" ? "Appointed by =" gives the label: "Appointed by Woodrow Wilson" whereas "President =" gives "President Woodrow Wilson". Lots of options are nice, but having a consistent look and feel is important also. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 01:54, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
If start_date is given but end_date is not, a link "incumbent" is automatically generated. However, in the case of historical figures the end_date might be missing because it is unknown or because we can't find it. Is there a way to suppress "incumbent" in that case? Zero talk 03:53, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
It seems to me that we need a denomination field, to be able to distinguish between religion and denominational affiliation, without losing good and specific information. – St.nerol ( talk) 19:48, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
For people who are no longer in office, or for whom the office is occupied at the same time as they have a professional career, this template needs the |employer=
parameter, like in {{
Infobox person}}.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 20:20, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
|profession=
" should not be used for "|employer=
", for reasons of preserving
data granularity, but its very existence is an argument for an |employer=
parameter.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 21:58, 8 March 2014 (UTC)I wonder what is the best way to link to the cabinet a minister belongs, which in many cases is more interesting than linking to the individual Prime Minister. Parameters cabinet or minister_from don't seem to serve this particular need.
The template documentation and examples did not help me to understand the best way to do that, probably because they currently have a very US-American flavour and ministerial positions are quite specific in the American presidential system, however {{ Infobox minister}} redirects there and this seems to be the right template.
Does anybody have an idea on how to do that? Place Clichy ( talk) 11:16, 30 November 2013 (UTC) (Copied from Archive 17)
Currently, there isn't enough contrast, in size and/or colour, between the font used for the honorifics and post-nominal letters and that used for the subject's name. The subject's name, which should obviously be the most prominent textual element, becomes camouflaged among a jumble of words and letters. Can the sizing and colours/tones be adjusted to remedy this legibility issue? -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 17:02, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
The Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean PC CC CMM COM CD FRCPSC(hon) | |
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The use of reduced font sizes should be used sparingly. Avoid using smaller font sizes in elements that already use a smaller font size, such as infoboxes, navboxes and reference sections. In no case should the resulting font size drop below 85% of the page fontsize (or 11px)." and is simply too small (and dim) for many (including myself) to read:
The Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean PC CC CMM COM CD FRCPSC(hon) | |
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The Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean PC CC CMM COM CD FRCPSC(hon) | |
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The Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean PC CC CMM COM CD FRCPSC(hon) | |
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Another alternative is to keep the honorifcs as at present, but make the name bigger. I've mocked that up here. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:08, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
<td>...</td>
). I've
tweaked the sandbox to make the title 5% bigger. You can edit the sandbox as well, if you want to try bigger sizes, because it's not protected like the main template is. You may need to purge the sandbox page to make any changes visible. Unfortunately, the 'preview' box at the bottom of the sandbox version doesn't work because of the redirect. Would
Freeman Freeman-Thomas, 1st Marquess of Willingdon have the longest title ("the Marquess of Willingdon") that you're aware of? --
RexxS (
talk) 22:35, 23 April 2014 (UTC)The Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean PC CC CMM COM CD FRCPSC(hon) | |
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Major the Most Honourable the Marquess of Willingdon PC GCSI GCMG GCIE GBE | |
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Seems to me that the "Lieutenant governor" field messes with the alignment of the infomation column on templated that use this eg. Alison Redford, Alexander Edmund Batson Davie, John Robson, etc., in that it compresses it and makes unnecessary line breaks... is there any way a linebreak can be put between the words "Lieutenant Governor" on the box? Thanks. – Connormah ( talk) 23:56, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
"Relations" is rather ambiguous. Wouldn't "relatives" be better? Zero talk 11:29, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Any reason that this template doesn't have, say, a |birth_name=
parameter? For people like
Matthew Oakeshott, Baron Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay, for example, it would be sensible to include the name "Matthew Alan Oakeshott" in the infobox.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 18:19, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
In the article on Rory Stewart, in the info box, it mentions that he had:
But clearly 24.9% is not a majority, though was enough to get him elected.
I suggest we add a new item called 'Votes', so we could have:
Aberdeen01 ( talk) 03:37, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm seeing some calls to add additional fields in earlier discussions.
Just a reminder: |blank1=
and |data1=
and so on exist so you can use custom fields.
davidwr/(
talk)/(
contribs) 03:44, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
What about |origin=
? It probably wouldn't take me long at all to compile a rather lengthy list of persons whose birthplace is significantly different from the family's place of residence at the time of their birth. As myself and others have pointed out in numerous past discussions, we shouldn't be giving undue weight to a person's birthplace when it's strictly incidental to their overall story.
RadioKAOS /
Talk to me, Billy /
Transmissions 11:57, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Should the chronology run with the most recent office at the top or the most recent office at the bottom? I just looked at 10 people and they were about equal in the way the chronology was displayed, as well as one that was not in chronological order, but had the most important one at the top. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 01:57, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi Wikipedia mavens. I am wondering how hard it would be to make one new field available for most elected officials, an "Eligible For Re-election" field with month and year and a bold header similar to "Assumed Office." This field could have a profound impact on how users digest Wikipedia information for elected officials. Right now, if a user researches for Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama, for example, he/she discovers he came to office in 1997. They might assume 1996 was an election year for his office (He could also have been appointed in the wake of a death/resignation). Then the reader must either Google for when Sessions is up for re-election or else do mental acrobatics to decide when Jeff Sessions is up again for reelection. They might try to calculate in their head following election years => 2002, 2008, and 2014. This is an awful lot of mental gyration for most readers simply trying to quickly distill the most important data for Senator Jeff Sessions. In a day and age when most Americans probably think 6-year terms are too long and elected officials should be subject to term limits, seems like a field like this would be very valuable to voters, writers, teachers, etc; but I would not be sure where to create the field in the template for general use. I would gladly volunteer to go in and add this field to pages for all 50 US Senators. I understand how to use the fields once they're part of a template; but I don't know how to integrate the initial coding. -- KWSager ( talk) 01:26, 21 10 June 2014 (EST)
|current_term_expires=
for countries like the United States with fixed-length periods between elections and |current_term_expires_no_later_than=
for countries like Great Britain where there is a maximum period before the next elections but "snap elections" may be called before that date. It should be written to include behind-the-scenes code similar to {{
update after}}, so that when the term expires the article is put into an "out of date article" maintenance category.
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To amend the instructions for "predecessor" and "successor" per apparent consensus at the RfC:
Where the use of "same district number" is used for determining "predecessor" and "successor" in any office, but where the area is so altered as to make such a "predecessor" or "successor" of little or no biographical value, the word "redistricted" should be used rather than using names of officeholders whose connection is accidental by virtue of district number, but unrelated to any election contests between officeholders.
Collect ( talk) 22:12, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
It is not a change to the template proper but to the instructions under "Usage" Collect ( talk) 23:28, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
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Paragraph 4 under "Usage" currently has:
Where a politician was redistricted into a new district, you can use |prior_term= to indicate which district(s) he was in before. This saves space in the infobox by not generating a completely new office each time redistricting happens. If you do this, it is recommended that you list the person preceded when the subject first took office and the person succeeded when the subject last left office. If more complete documentation of the districts is desired, it can be done with succession boxes at the end of the article.
The change would have it read (per RfC above with a clear consensus):
Where a politician was redistricted into a new district, you can use |prior_term= to indicate which district(s) he was in before. This saves space in the infobox by not generating a completely new office each time redistricting happens. If you do this, it is recommended that you list the person preceded when the subject first took office and the person succeeded when the subject last left office. If more complete documentation of the districts is desired, it can be done with succession boxes at the end of the article.Where the use of "same district number" is used for determining "predecessor" and "successor" in any office, but where the area is so altered as to make such a "predecessor" or "successor" of little or no biographical value, the word "redistricted" should be used rather than using names of officeholders whose connection is accidental by virtue of district number, but unrelated to any election contests between officeholders.
This is in accord with the RfC above, and there is no reason to have it in a sandbox first as it makes absolutely no change to the template itself. The underline is to make absolutely clear what is to be added, and the strikeout is to indicate a sentence which would be quite unclear in application with the new sentence. The use of "succession boxes" at the end of the article is not actually a part of this template. Collect ( talk) 23:36, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
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documentation subpage. Use the 'edit' link at the top of the green "Template documentation" box to edit the documentation subpage.
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This is not on a "documentation subpage". There is no way to edit the usage paragraphs without using the edit request form I used. Cheers.
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Repeating above request as Catch-22 applies -- there is NO WAY to edit the Usage section which is where the requested edit will appear. Cheers. Collect ( talk) 23:57, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Collect ( talk) 23:57, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Where the use of "same district number" is used for determining "predecessor" and "successor" n any office, but where the area is so altered as to make such a "predecessor" or "successor" of little or no biographical value, should the infobox be deprecated for such redistricting changes? 19:38, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
This arose at Michael Grimm (politician) which has an interesting infobox asserting that he was succeeded in Congress by Charles Rangel. It was pointed out to me that the consensus somewhere must have been to treat districts in that manner, although I have not found such a discussion, and it general will only show as a problem where a state has actually lost one or more districts and the new district numbers bear no connection to former district numbers, which is a relatively small number. In such instances, few as they are, the results may be rather risible. I suggest that where such a "clean break" on districting occurs, that a note to that effect be placed in the infobox and not use the inapt "predecessor" and "successor" results. Collect ( talk) 19:38, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
The same question arises with an office itself. If an office with a functional jurisdiction, akin to an office representing a district, has completely changed its character between officeholders but keeps the same name, is "such a 'predecessor' or 'successor' of little or no biographical value"? Int21h ( talk) 20:16, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
If the shape of a district changes in a very minor way, or even a moderate way, how do we intend to deal with that? Let's do a thought experiment. Imagine a square foot moved from district 1 to district 2, and both congresspeople won election. How about if one retired? Imagine just the house of the congressperson was in said square foot? I have real concerns that this hasn't been thought out well. Hipocrite ( talk) 11:47, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
as does the NY Times [8], where his predecessor is Adam Clayton Powell, Jr.. Rangel's infobox is basically nonsense, saying he has 4 different predecessors, when he has continuously held the Harlem seat for decades. Gaijin42 ( talk) 21:58, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
Rangel infobox showing multiple predecessors and successors
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The consensus is quite clear at this point. Collect ( talk) 22:08, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Could you please add height under personal details!!!!!???? Heightism has been shown to be a factor in deciding elections and it does no harm to add it! Please??? Nick B 1993 ( talk) 02:19, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
What an utterly fallacious rebuttal. An argument a hugely ignorant person would give. "Looks good on television" is not an infobox parameter on any page on Wikipedia but height is. Blood type is only significant in certain countries' elections and thus not a universal factor in deciding elections but every election contester in every country has a height which significantly influences someone's vote in any election believe it or not. The reasons used for omitting "blood type" and 'Looks good on television' from infoboxes can not be used to justify the omission of the height parameter. I wouldn't of minded if a decent argument had been presented but instead I get some jocular comment as a response which is supposed to shut me up. Highly insolent! Who are you to state what's encyclopaedic anyway and how can you even begin to take the line of argument that blood type and looks are as significant and as objective as height is? No one is objectively seen as 'looking good on telly' as there is always disparity in views on the way someone looks and blood type is objective but is only a significant influence in elections in certain geographical locations. Height however is OBJECTIVE and SIGNIFICANT EVERYWHERE!! Statistics, History and the gait, stance and actions of contemporary political leaders worldwide when in the public eye PROVE IT! I am highly offended that that reply was used in response to my request. I was polite and unassuming and my request was met with malevolence, ignorance, contempt and pretence and that is out of order. I would've preferred you just to have said without the reasons that it's not going to be done. I would've accepted that but as it is I'm shutting up and I'm deeply offended. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nick B 1993 ( talk • contribs) 02:52, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
There are numerous sources which point out that Montell Jordan and Krist Novoselic are both 6'7". However, I haven't come across any sources which contend that this is the reason why they enjoyed success in the music industry. In fact, compared to Kurt Cobain and Dave Grohl, Novoselic has largely been forgotten in the 20 years since Cobain's death. As far as politicians go, when I met Bruce Weyhrauch in 2004, the first thing to grab my attention was the fact that he's in the 6'5–6" range. As history has shown, though, he wound up having a pretty unspectacular political career. His article is more a coatrack to Alaska political corruption probe than a proper political biography. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 09:50, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure what would be a proper English term for this, but this field would be very relevant for infoboxes about people from countries with tribal/denomination/ethnicity/religion (yet not only religion; as religion is obviously not enough to show significance in contexts where other denominations are the prevalent), that would include for example tutsi and hutu in context such as Rwanda or Burundi; kurds (Sunni Kurd, shei Kurd) in Iraq and Syria, arab (christian arab , druze arab) or beduin in Israel, circassian in jordan, Bedouin (Sinai Bedouin or eastern desert or western desert), Nubian, saidi, Bahari's (lower egypt) and Upper Egyptians, tribal power relations and affiliations ...etc. -- 197.135.187.134 ( talk) 00:14, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
The documentation says "The persons name". This should be changed to "The person's name". Furthermore, the section title "Nominee/Candidate" should be changed to "Nominee/candidate" per MOS:CAPS. -- Omnipaedista ( talk) 22:18, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
I've raised a query at Talk:Ted_Cruz about that senator's infobox - it looks as though the useful text 'United States Senator' appears in his infobox through a horribly hacky dependence upon a deprecated field jr/sr being non-empty. Could someone who understands templates makes things better? 54.240.197.225 ( talk) 11:34, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
United States Senator from ...
. the decision was the Junior/Senior prefix wasn't necessary, but the method for indicating the individual is a senator stayed. you can, technically, replace it with | order = [[United States Senator]]<br>from [[Texas]]. however, I agree that the better thing would be to have say |senator_state=Texas
which would replace the combination |jr/sr=
+ |state=Texas
. comments?
Frietjes (
talk) 20:32, 5 November 2014 (UTC)Few people seriously use "junior Senator" with regard to an office. Collect ( talk) 21:45, 5 November 2014 (UTC)