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Please see User talk:Arcadian#Template:DiseaseDisorder infobox. If this box is going to be used, I will support a limited form that gives easy access to ICD codes, but I oppose the "cause", "diagnosis", "treatment", "incidence", "prevalence". The information in these fields is often very subtle, has regional variation and would be almost impossible to reference from this box. JFW | T@lk 23:18, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Concerning template:DiseaseDisorder infobox:
JFW | T@lk 5 July 2005 14:39 (UTC)
Per your questions: (1) "Shall we move it to a shorter name?" I wouldn't have a problem with moving it to a shorter name. I've seen lots of arguments about whether something was a disease or a disorder, and my goal was just to sidestep the argument by explictly incorporating both elements into the name. But if you wanted to move it to a new name, I wouldn't object. (2) "In the boxes you placed, each one says hypoglycemia". I apologize for my error. I was copying over the template, and forgot to substitute the name. It looks like you have already fixed this, and I thank you for doing so. (3) "Are we using ICD-9 codes (as you have done) or ICD-10 ones?" I see you have updated the template already, so that issue appears moot. I'll try to create a page List of ICD-10 codes, parallel to List of ICD-9 codes. Before I do so, do you know if 10 is free for us to use, and if there is a good site for us to get these codes? I know we had clearance on 9, per Talk:International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems. -- Arcadian 5 July 2005 15:13 (UTC)
For your question about should the infobox be on top -- I don't have a problem if it isn't at the top. On the other hand, if your concerns was that it would conflict with other pages that have an image near the top, then we could incorporate a location for the image directly into the template. This could help provide a more consistent interface for the diseases. For example, this is what is done with albums (see [ [1]].) -- Arcadian 6 July 2005 20:31 (UTC)
Per the 9/10 issue -- how would you feel if we added a second line to the template, so that we could store both the 9 and 10 code. The 9 codes are still commonly used in the United States, and we also have a more explicit release to use them than we have for the 10 codes. Also, another user left a message objecting to 10-centric (?) orientation at Talk:International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems (scroll to bottom). We could address this by adding another line to the template, and in a few years, if 9 codes become fully deprecated, then we could update all the disease pages at once just by updating the template. Any thoughts/objections? -- Arcadian 6 July 2005 20:31 (UTC)
I have put instead of whitespace in ICD-9/10 code: because it tends to get broken into two lines if the text on the right hand side is sufficiently long (e.g. see Auditory processing disorder). Looks good to me now but feel free to revert if there's any trouble with this layout. GregorB 21:55, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
Please do not put ICD boxes on pages just dealing with a symptom [2]. This creates confusion and adds very little information. JFW | T@lk 06:26, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
This discussion is continuing at the WikiProject Clinical medicine. JFW | T@lk 22:23, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
OK. JFW | T@lk 20:25, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
There are many symptom-related articles on Wikipedia that would not be associated with an ICD code. I think infoboxing symptom articles is best avoided, as it blurs the line between symptom and disease entity. Mentioning a symptom's ICD code is in itself not a problem... JFW | T@lk 20:25, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
Ahhh. For a non-haematologist, "acute leukemia" is enough to scamper and call the haematologist on-call. For a haematologist, it may be of essential relevance whether the patient has ALL L1 and needs enrolling in UKALL-XII, or AML M3 and could end up on idarubicin and ATRA. Some articles have more than one associated ICD code, even though most doctors would agree that we're dealing with one disease. I can only recommend taking soundings at the WikiProject talk page if things are uncertain. JFW | T@lk 20:25, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
There appears a reference numbering problem in articles that are making use of this infobox as well as ref/note templates (see Keratoconus). I have notified the last editor, but have left the infobox template in its last state for the time being. BillC 12:48, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
! [[Diseases Database|DiseasesDB]] | [http://www.diseasesdatabase.com/ddb{{{DiseasesDB|}}}.htm {{{DiseasesDB|}}}] |}<noinclude>
! [[Diseases Database|DiseasesDB]] | [http://www.diseasesdatabase.com/ddb{{{DiseasesDB}}}.htm {{{DiseasesDB}}}] |}<noinclude>
Per this edit, readers with limited exposure to medical industry terms may be confused by this infobox. Should it mention "International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems" and link to its article? The Rod 00:23, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Please add a heading explaining what this box is for.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 05:38, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
User:McDutchie today added fields for DSM-IV. This might not be necessary, because ICD9 codes and DSM-IV codes are identical in almost all cases, but I'd like to know what other people think. -- Arcadian 20:17, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Here's an idea: why not get rid of the whole ICD-9 reference altogether? The current diagnostic standards come from the DSM-IV TR and the ICD-10 -- and someone has done a stupendous job putting together an ICD-10 template which references the World Health Organization directly. As far as I can tell, however, the only reason the ICD-9 (which dates from 1975) is even being included here is that a bunch of spam sites reproduce the old and out-of-date ICD-9 data and are now hoodwinking the Wikipedia into giving free links to their copies of the World Health Organization's ancient originals. In fact, if you look at the DSM-IV codes pages, you will find...not the correct DSM-IV codes...but rather those pesky old ICD-9 codes! Someone has cunningly used these to organize hundreds of extra references to icd9data.com, using the ICD9 template (which is in turn referenced by the Disease Infobox, yielding thousands more free links for icd9data.com). It seems to me that it would be better for users to be made aware that actually, this is the wrong code list altogether, and all those 'references' to ICD-9 data (there are no REAL references, as normally required by Wikipedia) just go to icd9data.com. Someone seems to have done a great job of pulling the wool over Wikipedia editors' eyes on this one -- bravo for whoever owns icd9data.com, but shame on Wikipedia for tolerating such serious inaccuracy. ThisGregM 14:01, 11 June 2007 (UTC)ThisGregM
Images that are not in an infobox have the option of having a thumbnail indicator (small box/large box to the right of caption), which tells the user if the picture on the target page is the same size or larger than the picture on the disease page. This is a nice feature for users, who are probably going to be more likely to click if the target picture is larger. When images are in an infobox, there doesn't seem to be a way to add an optional thumbnail indicator. Any advice?
See User_talk:Arcadian for prior discussion -- HMD 20:20, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
I haven't been able to get these to work -- can anyone help? The DiseaseDB and OMIM info on TS is woefully inaccurate, so I don't want to add it. There are two articles on eMedicine ... one has already been added, but I want to add the other (multiple entry), and can't make it work. And, I can't figure out how to add the MedLinePlus info on TS. Please see note here. [4] TIA! Sandy 19:31, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I found the article hard to understand: here is a sample found by another editor. Crigler-Najjar syndrome Sandy 11:21, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I'd like to see the SNOMED classification [5] added to the Infobox disease template. SNOMED is an alternate to ICD9 and ICD10 and appears (at least to me) to be superceding them. There are freely available tools to help convert between the different taxonomies and a very good site for looking up a SNOMED classification such as this one [6]
Thanks
Brian 19:08, 13 June 2006 (UTC)btball
Hi, I am out-of-town right now but will address both concerns when I am back on Friday. As far as I know, licensing is not an issue, SNOMED codes are freely available and freely usable - I will provide references on Friday. Also, I'll find out what's wrong with the links and provide an update - they were working when I posted them - I'll go find out what happend. THanks, Brian 12:38, 21 June 2006 (UTC)btball
Claus Diff 08:13, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi all, I am currently attempting to implement this box on the Psychology Wiki. This is a site that is attempting to use the wikipedia ideal to construct an academic site for the knowledge domain of psychology. I have copied the template over onto this page [8]and as you can see I seem to have spare code. The site is running the latest version MediaWiki software but my knowledge of templates is limited and I havent been able to work out how to correct it I would be gratful if someone could help me make it work. I am happy to answer any questions about the site on my talk page
On another note with this appearing in the Dissociative identity disorder page
DSM-IV-TR Diagnostic Criteria: Dissociative identity disorder (DID)
I think it would be important to include DSM code links, as it looks as if we will have to take out the descriptions in the text. Does anyone know anymore about this.
Many thanks in advance for any help you can offer. Lifeartist 12:34, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I just added this infobox to Nail-patella syndrome and encountered two technical problems: (1) if there are no ICD codes for a disease, how do I get it to omit those entries? and (2) if there are multiple eMedicine articles for a disease (see [9] [10]), how can I link to them both? — JVinocur ( talk • contribs) 22:40, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Is it possible to link to more than 2 eMedicine articles? E.g. rabies has 3 articles on emedicine. -- WS 15:55, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I would like to see the CPT-4 codes added to the infobox, it would make it more applicable for subjects such as Colonoscopy, which is a procedure, rather than a disease (with a range of CPT-4 codes... does that make it impossible/more difficult to do?). Although I do edit many medical articles, I'd be way over my head with editing infoboxes, and have no desire to dive that deep into the Wiki functions. Carl 13:40, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 |
Please see User talk:Arcadian#Template:DiseaseDisorder infobox. If this box is going to be used, I will support a limited form that gives easy access to ICD codes, but I oppose the "cause", "diagnosis", "treatment", "incidence", "prevalence". The information in these fields is often very subtle, has regional variation and would be almost impossible to reference from this box. JFW | T@lk 23:18, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Concerning template:DiseaseDisorder infobox:
JFW | T@lk 5 July 2005 14:39 (UTC)
Per your questions: (1) "Shall we move it to a shorter name?" I wouldn't have a problem with moving it to a shorter name. I've seen lots of arguments about whether something was a disease or a disorder, and my goal was just to sidestep the argument by explictly incorporating both elements into the name. But if you wanted to move it to a new name, I wouldn't object. (2) "In the boxes you placed, each one says hypoglycemia". I apologize for my error. I was copying over the template, and forgot to substitute the name. It looks like you have already fixed this, and I thank you for doing so. (3) "Are we using ICD-9 codes (as you have done) or ICD-10 ones?" I see you have updated the template already, so that issue appears moot. I'll try to create a page List of ICD-10 codes, parallel to List of ICD-9 codes. Before I do so, do you know if 10 is free for us to use, and if there is a good site for us to get these codes? I know we had clearance on 9, per Talk:International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems. -- Arcadian 5 July 2005 15:13 (UTC)
For your question about should the infobox be on top -- I don't have a problem if it isn't at the top. On the other hand, if your concerns was that it would conflict with other pages that have an image near the top, then we could incorporate a location for the image directly into the template. This could help provide a more consistent interface for the diseases. For example, this is what is done with albums (see [ [1]].) -- Arcadian 6 July 2005 20:31 (UTC)
Per the 9/10 issue -- how would you feel if we added a second line to the template, so that we could store both the 9 and 10 code. The 9 codes are still commonly used in the United States, and we also have a more explicit release to use them than we have for the 10 codes. Also, another user left a message objecting to 10-centric (?) orientation at Talk:International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems (scroll to bottom). We could address this by adding another line to the template, and in a few years, if 9 codes become fully deprecated, then we could update all the disease pages at once just by updating the template. Any thoughts/objections? -- Arcadian 6 July 2005 20:31 (UTC)
I have put instead of whitespace in ICD-9/10 code: because it tends to get broken into two lines if the text on the right hand side is sufficiently long (e.g. see Auditory processing disorder). Looks good to me now but feel free to revert if there's any trouble with this layout. GregorB 21:55, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
Please do not put ICD boxes on pages just dealing with a symptom [2]. This creates confusion and adds very little information. JFW | T@lk 06:26, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
This discussion is continuing at the WikiProject Clinical medicine. JFW | T@lk 22:23, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
OK. JFW | T@lk 20:25, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
There are many symptom-related articles on Wikipedia that would not be associated with an ICD code. I think infoboxing symptom articles is best avoided, as it blurs the line between symptom and disease entity. Mentioning a symptom's ICD code is in itself not a problem... JFW | T@lk 20:25, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
Ahhh. For a non-haematologist, "acute leukemia" is enough to scamper and call the haematologist on-call. For a haematologist, it may be of essential relevance whether the patient has ALL L1 and needs enrolling in UKALL-XII, or AML M3 and could end up on idarubicin and ATRA. Some articles have more than one associated ICD code, even though most doctors would agree that we're dealing with one disease. I can only recommend taking soundings at the WikiProject talk page if things are uncertain. JFW | T@lk 20:25, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
There appears a reference numbering problem in articles that are making use of this infobox as well as ref/note templates (see Keratoconus). I have notified the last editor, but have left the infobox template in its last state for the time being. BillC 12:48, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
! [[Diseases Database|DiseasesDB]] | [http://www.diseasesdatabase.com/ddb{{{DiseasesDB|}}}.htm {{{DiseasesDB|}}}] |}<noinclude>
! [[Diseases Database|DiseasesDB]] | [http://www.diseasesdatabase.com/ddb{{{DiseasesDB}}}.htm {{{DiseasesDB}}}] |}<noinclude>
Per this edit, readers with limited exposure to medical industry terms may be confused by this infobox. Should it mention "International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems" and link to its article? The Rod 00:23, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Please add a heading explaining what this box is for.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 05:38, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
User:McDutchie today added fields for DSM-IV. This might not be necessary, because ICD9 codes and DSM-IV codes are identical in almost all cases, but I'd like to know what other people think. -- Arcadian 20:17, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Here's an idea: why not get rid of the whole ICD-9 reference altogether? The current diagnostic standards come from the DSM-IV TR and the ICD-10 -- and someone has done a stupendous job putting together an ICD-10 template which references the World Health Organization directly. As far as I can tell, however, the only reason the ICD-9 (which dates from 1975) is even being included here is that a bunch of spam sites reproduce the old and out-of-date ICD-9 data and are now hoodwinking the Wikipedia into giving free links to their copies of the World Health Organization's ancient originals. In fact, if you look at the DSM-IV codes pages, you will find...not the correct DSM-IV codes...but rather those pesky old ICD-9 codes! Someone has cunningly used these to organize hundreds of extra references to icd9data.com, using the ICD9 template (which is in turn referenced by the Disease Infobox, yielding thousands more free links for icd9data.com). It seems to me that it would be better for users to be made aware that actually, this is the wrong code list altogether, and all those 'references' to ICD-9 data (there are no REAL references, as normally required by Wikipedia) just go to icd9data.com. Someone seems to have done a great job of pulling the wool over Wikipedia editors' eyes on this one -- bravo for whoever owns icd9data.com, but shame on Wikipedia for tolerating such serious inaccuracy. ThisGregM 14:01, 11 June 2007 (UTC)ThisGregM
Images that are not in an infobox have the option of having a thumbnail indicator (small box/large box to the right of caption), which tells the user if the picture on the target page is the same size or larger than the picture on the disease page. This is a nice feature for users, who are probably going to be more likely to click if the target picture is larger. When images are in an infobox, there doesn't seem to be a way to add an optional thumbnail indicator. Any advice?
See User_talk:Arcadian for prior discussion -- HMD 20:20, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
I haven't been able to get these to work -- can anyone help? The DiseaseDB and OMIM info on TS is woefully inaccurate, so I don't want to add it. There are two articles on eMedicine ... one has already been added, but I want to add the other (multiple entry), and can't make it work. And, I can't figure out how to add the MedLinePlus info on TS. Please see note here. [4] TIA! Sandy 19:31, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I found the article hard to understand: here is a sample found by another editor. Crigler-Najjar syndrome Sandy 11:21, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I'd like to see the SNOMED classification [5] added to the Infobox disease template. SNOMED is an alternate to ICD9 and ICD10 and appears (at least to me) to be superceding them. There are freely available tools to help convert between the different taxonomies and a very good site for looking up a SNOMED classification such as this one [6]
Thanks
Brian 19:08, 13 June 2006 (UTC)btball
Hi, I am out-of-town right now but will address both concerns when I am back on Friday. As far as I know, licensing is not an issue, SNOMED codes are freely available and freely usable - I will provide references on Friday. Also, I'll find out what's wrong with the links and provide an update - they were working when I posted them - I'll go find out what happend. THanks, Brian 12:38, 21 June 2006 (UTC)btball
Claus Diff 08:13, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi all, I am currently attempting to implement this box on the Psychology Wiki. This is a site that is attempting to use the wikipedia ideal to construct an academic site for the knowledge domain of psychology. I have copied the template over onto this page [8]and as you can see I seem to have spare code. The site is running the latest version MediaWiki software but my knowledge of templates is limited and I havent been able to work out how to correct it I would be gratful if someone could help me make it work. I am happy to answer any questions about the site on my talk page
On another note with this appearing in the Dissociative identity disorder page
DSM-IV-TR Diagnostic Criteria: Dissociative identity disorder (DID)
I think it would be important to include DSM code links, as it looks as if we will have to take out the descriptions in the text. Does anyone know anymore about this.
Many thanks in advance for any help you can offer. Lifeartist 12:34, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I just added this infobox to Nail-patella syndrome and encountered two technical problems: (1) if there are no ICD codes for a disease, how do I get it to omit those entries? and (2) if there are multiple eMedicine articles for a disease (see [9] [10]), how can I link to them both? — JVinocur ( talk • contribs) 22:40, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Is it possible to link to more than 2 eMedicine articles? E.g. rabies has 3 articles on emedicine. -- WS 15:55, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I would like to see the CPT-4 codes added to the infobox, it would make it more applicable for subjects such as Colonoscopy, which is a procedure, rather than a disease (with a range of CPT-4 codes... does that make it impossible/more difficult to do?). Although I do edit many medical articles, I'd be way over my head with editing infoboxes, and have no desire to dive that deep into the Wiki functions. Carl 13:40, 5 September 2006 (UTC)