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Please add <noinclude>{{pp-template|small=yes}}</noinclude>
to this template. The protection template used to be on the documentation page, but because that same documentation page is used as well by pages that are not protected, this is the best way.
Debresser (
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16:45, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
{{
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As usual for templates with datestamps, it should be small here (as it is for
Template:Expand language (non-Latin script)).
Find the following:
{{#if:{{{date|}}}| ''({{{date}}})''}}
Replace with:
{{#if:{{{date|}}}| ''<small>({{{date}}})</small>''}}
And you're done! Gary King ( talk) 03:26, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
The description on this template says to use on the talk page not the article. Is there consensus discussion for that somewhere? No discussion on this talk page. I noticed on other langauge wiki's that similiar templates are places on the article. If it was on the article is would attract more translators as well as indicate to the reader(who maybe bi-lingal) that more information is found in an other language wiki. SunCreator ( talk) 16:32, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Many thanks.
AndrewRT(
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Currently reads(for example):
Please expand this article with text translated from the corresponding article in 'Spanish' Wikipedia.
Consider amending for grammar to say:
{{ editprotected}}
When used in other namespaces than the main namespace, the link to the talk page is incorrect. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Accessibility/What is accessibility? for a live example. I suggest to replace:
must be added to the [[Talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]]
by
must be added to the [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|talk page]]
Kind Regards, Dodoïste ( talk) 01:15, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Why must the tag be added to ensure copyright compliance? Articles are CC-BY-SA Wikipedia, translated or not. Just off hand this seems incorrect and should be removed. Int21h ( talk) 12:26, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Our policy is not to use Wikipedia itself as a source for Wikipedia articles. In practise people do copy material from one article to another, as a shortcut way of building an article, though this is not the recommended way of working. Our preferred model is to research the most reliable sources on the topic and summarize what they say, with each statement in the article attributable to a source that makes that statement. While people may wish to shortcut the preferred model and utilise material from other language Wikipedias, I am unsure that we should be urging or encouraging people to do this, especially when they do not themselves know the language of the other Wikipedia, and are being instructed to use Google Translate. When I have come upon this template and examined the linked article I have all too frequently found that the the foreign language article was not adequately and/or usefully sourced. Our policy does encourage that we first use English sources.
As this template appears to be running counter to good advice, good practise, and at least two core policies, is there a value to keeping it? SilkTork * Tea time 18:07, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Is it possible to collapse part of the template, so that only about half its height appears on article pages. The way it is, it really produces a visual problem in the pages it is placed. I mean, if someone wants to help, he is bound to look for "more information" and expand it. But for the avererage reader, it is a downer. Thank you. Hoverfish Talk 14:39, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Once again the whole point them is that they are intentionally built this way. If they are ugly and unsightly, the chance are somebody is more willing to quickly translate and remove the ugly tag. By prettifying it we remove the incentive. That said, it is surely possible to shrink the lower part. The problem in doing so though is that it hides the attribution and translation commands which many will ignore.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:52, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Yeah I agree that they are a little too thick and I personally hate tags on articles. But somehow we need to get content transwikied in thousands if not millions of articles.. These templates definitely need to exist for this purpose, of course shrinkable templates is probably a more desirable option but I fear that some will ignore the translate commands...♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:01, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
There is this blind man sitting on a street with a cardboard that says "I am blind". So everybody passes him by. Then there is this woman that takes his carboard and writes something on it and she leaves and then the money starts pouring in. It turns out she wrote "It's a beautiful day. I can't see it." -or something close. The thing is, I am totally off when it comes to public relations and semantics, but I can tell there are some ways to tantalize the eyes and make people want to help. So, untill we find some public relation guru, I can't suggest a more efficient scheme. Hoverfish Talk 15:33, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
No, absolutely not, it completely defeats the object of them placing them in the talk pages and a direct threat to article growth. We need content translated from other wikipedias and sources found to support them. This will kill the transwiki project. Who looks in the talk pages of every article they read or approach? ♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:49, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
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Please add "the" before "[[:{{{langcode|}}}:|{{ISO 639 name {{{langcode|}}}}} Wikipedia]]''
", to fix grammar problems.
Sceptre (
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15:29, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
The use of the hiragana in the symbol for translation from other latin-alphabet-languages (such as French, German, or Spanish) strikes me as strongly anglocentric -- with the subliminal message "it's not English -- it's moonspeak". Suggestion: Use the two-letter country codes to symbolize the languages to be translated to and from instead (or use a flag to sybolise the non-English source language). Pgoergen ( talk) 15:47, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
We shouldn't say "Click [show] on the right for instructions"; the "show" link may not be on the right for all users; and right and left are irrelevant to blind editors hearing the page read to them by assistive software. (I wrote more about this issue on my blog.) How can we reword this? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:12, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
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Should the templates in Category:Expand by language Wikipedia templates be used in the article talk pages instead of in the articles. My main concern is that when such a template is used it often will be years before the translation is done and in the mean time these templates are cluttering up the articles they are on without any additional benefit. – Allen4 names 05:31, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to change Template:Translate, which currently redirects to Template:Not English, into an updated and consolidated version of this template. Please discuss at Wikipedia talk:Translation#Repurposing Template:Translate?. Thanks! Calliopejen1 ( talk) 19:09, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
The template covers three lines of double spaces text. this is too big for a template of this type. CAn I recommend the "Click [show] on the right to review important translation instructions before translating." is removed (It is redundant) and/or the doulbe spacing is removed. -- Alan Liefting ( talk - contribs) 23:11, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
Some editors citation needed including myself dubious – discuss do not like have big banner templates at the top of pages. If they are of high importance to the reader all well and good but a lot of templates are for editors only. And they hang around for years. I want to have the recommended usage of this template as being placed in the references section of an article. -- Alan Liefting ( talk - contribs) 23:16, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
Is there a way that the link that says show could be changed "Show instructions" and then the message "Click [show] on the right for instructions." removed? RJFJR ( talk) 21:46, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
I noticed some of these templates on Good articles and thought they were unnecessarily obtrusive. As such last night I made a proposal at the village pump that they should be moved to the talk page. I did not relise that this same proposal had been made here a few times before. As lack of participation was the major reason no consensus was reached here it may garner a better response there. AIRcorn (talk) 20:13, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
Google translate now supports Lao, so please add Lao to the list of languages avaliable with GT The ChampionMan 1234 10:05, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
While there may not be agreement about using this template only on talk pages (although that could be revisited) we could at least adapt the template so that it can be used on talk pages. This could easily be achieved by switching to {{ tmbox}} when placed on a talk page. Any thoughts? — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 20:59, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
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Request: Change
...|lo |lt |lv| mk |ml |mt |nl |no |pl...
to
...|lo |lt |lv |mk |ms |mt |nl |no |pl...
Reason: ml: is the code for Malayalam language and ms: for Malay language ( verify). Google translate offers translation only to Malay (ms) language and not to Malayalam (ml). This must have occurred [1] accidentally. Tested at the sandbox [2] and checked if it works on /testcases. Thank you. ··· Vanischenu 「m/ Talk」 11:55, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
Similarly to the templates {{ Expand Spanish}}, {{ Expand French}}, etc., let us add a template {{ Expand Other languages}} for article expansion from multiple languages, with languages which to expand from as parameters in the format
{{Expand Other languages|language1, language2,...}}
oldid wikipedia article "Pericles"
Mormegil 87.19.63.231 ( talk) 21:39, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
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Could someone edit the tag so it only takes up one line on the page. I am thinking the best solution would be to remove "Click [show] on the right for instructions." and simply have the show button next to the date on the top line. There may be other improvements that can be gleaned from the Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Template:Expand French discussion, but this is one that appears to have consensus (or at least no arguements against). If an admin can get consensus out of any of the other suggestions (whether to have the google translation link, placement of tag etc) that would be a bonus. Regards AIRcorn (talk) 23:43, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
AIRcorn (talk) 23:43, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
I don't think this is feasible (or at least, it's not straightforward). The template uses {{ hidden}}, which requires a header. There's probably a way around that, but personally, I don't think that "click show" line is a problem. For me, the template only becomes intrusive when the "View a machine translated version of the article" stretches it to three lines. It would be easy enough to move that bit into the collapsible part of the template. I think that's what I've done here, but I don't know how to test it without actually implementing it; the line doesn't appear until one of the daughter language templates is used in an article. Could someone who knows about template syntax take a look at the sandbox and check if I've done what I think I have? And would you be happy with that as a solution, Aircorn? DoctorKubla ( talk) 16:40, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
I've done some hackish work in reducing the whitespace used by this template in the sandbox. It's not perfect (the "show" text hovers unpleasantly over the rest of it in closed state) but it's getting there. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) ( talk) 09:04, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
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Change to use #language
. The extensibility of ISO 639 name isn't needed here 'cos we're only dealing with other wikis' lang codes. Change is in the
sandbox. —
Lfdder (
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22:34, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
The articles tagged with Template:Expand Norwegian does not populate the category Category:Articles needing translation from Norwegian Wikipedia. Any experienced editors reading this that knows how to fix it? Mentoz86 ( talk) 10:26, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
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The image isn't working right; it shows the text 'link =' when hovered over. I think it has to be changed from [[File:Translation to english arrow.svg|50x40px|alt = |link = ]] to [[File:Translation to english arrow.svg|50x40px|alt=|link=]] (without the extra spaces). Cathfolant ( talk) 21:44, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Sorry if this comment duplicates some of the discussion on similar or "related" topics within the last year. I do not think it belongs under any of the "existing" sections of this "Talk:" page.
Today I noticed that, if I use "Ctrl-Minus" to shrink the text size so much that the entire sentence
"Click [show] on the right to read important instructions before translating."
fits on one line, then that entire sentence will also fit within the box that encloses [all or 'most' of] the "Expand <language>" template; but if not, -- (or if I were to use "Ctrl-Plus" to enlarge it [if necessary] such that the sentence requires multiple lines) -- then the second line (or, all lines except the first) of that sentence will NOT fit within the box! ...it seems to appear outside (or: "partly" outside) the box.
I realize that this can be affected by things on my end, but I tried it with 3 different browser programs (Google Chrome, Microsoft Internet Explorer, and Firefox), and the "problem" seemed to be the same with all 3 browsers.
I first noticed this when reading an article in the Enlish Wikipedia ( W:en:Haskalah) (at the URL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haskalah). I was using the Browser Google Chrome (version 27.0.1453.94). The magnification was [already] set to 250%. (But it can be expanded or shrunk, using "Ctrl-Plus" or "Ctrl-Minus".) The last word (only) of the sentence ending with "before translating", was "partly" outside the box. (It was *right* "on the line".)
I spent a little bit of time trying to find the template file (that I thought I 'might' be able to edit), to fix the problem. Then I gave up. I do not know where the change might have to be made. (Is it possible that this "issue" might be generic to all templates where there is some text surrounded by a box? ...or maybe those that contain a "{{hidden}}" tag?) I still do not know where the code (or the script, or whatever it is) is located, that determines the size of the box.
Just a report. Any advice? Thanks, -- Mike Schwartz ( talk) 01:15, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
When I click "show" the text that reads "This article may be expanded with text translated from the corresponding article in ..." overlaps "Do not translate text that appears unreliable or low-quality..." Hyacinth ( talk) 15:09, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Heya, the category tag for Expand language ZH is showing in the wrong place - i.e. in plaintext as part of the article, rather than being interpreted as a category tag - on Jaw-Shen Tsai. Any ideas? | Naypta ✉ opened his mouth at 11:13, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
In the instructions, the first two lines begin:
The "view" link always goes to Google and not any other translation software, but Google isn't mentioned until the second bullet point. It should say something like:
In the future it would be useful to support links to other translation software if this is available. (I haven't gone looking for thus, but I know Babelfish was around before Google was doing it, and whether they still are or not, there could be others in the future.) Then the instructions might change to something like:
A second point: the second bullet continues with a suggestion to "revise errors". I think this would read better as "correct errors" or "revise to correct errors". -- 174.88.134.156 ( talk) 20:46, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
Can we default the otherarticle
to the Wikidata value for the Wikilink to the article in the other language, if it is defined?
I don't know how we would do this, but I guess it can be done via {{#property:}}
or something... {{
Wikidata value}}
has some clues...
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Please implement the changes from the template's sandbox. I made it automatically get the sitelink from Wikidata if possible and no explicit link is given. nyuszika7h ( talk) 21:25, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
Please add a missing letter N: should be "corresponding article". Thanks! Jodi.a.schneider ( talk) 14:51, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
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No one with the ability to do it seems to have noticed the request above. Please correct this spelling. Emeraude ( talk) 08:15, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
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Google translate offers translation in 104 languages, however this template only contains codes for 66 of them, the following were added by google after this template was protected and were never added into the template:
Amharic, Bosnian, Burmese, Cebuano, Chewa, Corsican, Hausa, Hawaiian, Hmong, Igbo, Javanese, Kazakh, Khmer, Kurdish, Kyrgyz, Luxembourgish, Malagasy, Malayalam, Marathi, Mongolian, Maori, Nepali, Pashto, Punjabi, Samoan, Scottish Gaelic, Shona, Sindhi, Sinhalese, Somali, Sotho, Sundanese, Tajik, Uzbek, West Frisian, Xhosa, Yoruba, Zulu
There may be others missing as well, I would add them myself if I could. —
Abrahamic Faiths (
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20:17, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
Here is what the completed list of codes would look like with all the codes, excluding hmong which doesn't have a wikipedia to correspond to:
|af |am |ar |az |be |bg |bn |bs |ca |ceb |co |cs |cy |da |de |el |en |eo |es |et |eu |fa |fi |fr |fy |ga |gd |gl |gu |ha |haw |he |hi |hr |ht |hu |hy |id |ig |is |it |ja |jv |ka |kk |km |kn |ko |ku |ky |la |lb |lo |lt |lv |mg |mi |mk |ml |mn |mr |ms |mt |my |ne |nl |no |ny |pa |pl |ps |pt |ro |ru |sd |sh |si |sk |sl |sm |sn |so |sq |sr |su |sv |sw |ta |te |tg |th |tl |tr |uk |ur |uz |vi |xh |yi |yo |zh |zu =
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Currently the googlelangcode override parameter no longer works, inserting it on a template currently does nothing, both Norwegian (Nynorsk) and Belarusian (Taraškievica) can be translated using google translate but currently these templates do not give option for translation due to this, I also noticed the code for Serbo-Croatian |sh which is not in google translate was in this template and it shows up on the Serbo-Croatian template giving translation option, I also tested here and found that adding in |nn and |be-tarask to the list would allow for translation option. Also as a side note Sotho |st is also missing from the list and needs to be added in as well.
Here would be the complete list with the addition of Nynorsk, Taraškievica and Sotho
|af |am |ar |az |be |be-tarask |bg |bn |bs |ca |ceb |co |cs |cy |da |de |el |en |eo |es |et |eu |fa |fi |fr |fy |ga |gd |gl |gu |ha |haw |he |hi |hr |ht |hu |hy |id |ig |is |it |ja |jv |ka |kk |km |kn |ko |ku |ky |la |lb |lo |lt |lv |mg |mi |mk |ml |mn |mr |ms |mt |my |ne |nl |nn |no |ny |pa |pl |ps |pt |ro |ru |sd |sh |si |sk |sl |sm |sn |so |sq |sr |st |su |sv |sw |ta |te |tg |th |tl |tr |uk |ur |uz |vi |xh |yi |yo |zh |zu =
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Abrahamic Faiths (
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15:48, 20 August 2016 (UTC)googlelangcode override parameter no longer works, but it's just that 3 extra language codes from the sandbox should synced live. Anyway, I've synced to the sandbox along with minor tweaks. Re-open if there are still issues. — Andy W. ( talk · ctb) 16:55, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
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In certain cases, the template generates a link for viewing a machine-translated version of an article via Google Translate. For the URL that is used for the link, it would be useful to change http://translate.google.com/translate?&u=http%3A%2F%2F{{{langcode|}}}.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F{{urlencode:{{{otherarticle}}}}}&sl={{{googlelangcode|{{{langcode|}}}}}}&tl=en
to https://translate.google.com/translate?&u=https%3A%2F%2F{{{langcode|}}}.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F{{urlencode:{{{otherarticle}}}}}&sl={{{googlelangcode|{{{langcode|}}}}}}&tl=en&prev=_t&hl=en
instead. In particular, this new URL for Google Translate works even if the user has the
HTTPS Everywhere browser extension enabled, whereas the existing URL leads to a Google Translate page where the URL of the article to be translated is identified but the translation does not take place if HTTPS Everywhere is enabled. In addition, the new URL should provide increased privacy and security for users by incorporating HTTPS for Google Translate and Wikipedia. Thanks. --
Elegie (
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09:38, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
...no it isn't. Please scrap that bullet and replace it with "Google's machine translation can be a useful starting point for understanding the non-English Wikipedia article, but it should not be used for translating content into the English Wikipedia article. Short quotes from machine translation may be placed on the article talk page as a starting point for discussion." Rd232 talk 01:00, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Can we please have another template that suggests the need for a Simple English Wikipedia version of an English Wikipedia article?
Qwertyxp2000 ( talk) 06:00, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
(also, this is probably the wrong place for this proposal. Just sayin'.) Hppavilion1 ( talk) 18:03, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
This tag does not mark a fault, not even a deficiency. It is an exhortation to other editors to do something that the tagging editor cannot or do not want to do herself. Most of the time it is in the interest of the reader that it gets done. But it is not in the interest of the reader to see this tag. The situation is very similar to the stub tag, which has been discussed much more extensively. This tag should follow the example of the stub tag: smaller and placement near the bottom of the page. -- Ettrig ( talk) 06:38, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
User:Ettrig has been single handedly trying to relocate the expand language templates to the bottom of pages across multiple pages against the consensus [4], having already begun the process, a few examples shown here [5] [6] [7] [8], and is continuously trying to force this new guideline onto the howto template [9] which is transcluded on the documentation on all the expand templates. I have suggested that things should remain at status quo ante until a proper discussion takes place and consensus is reached, but he continues to revert to his version, if anyone could help mediate this issue that would be great. — Abrahamic Faiths ( talk) 17:50, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
And for those who are trying to change it from top to bottom, or from bottom to top, and couldn't because it's so devilishly hard to find, here ya go:
Template:Expand_language/howto. Have at it!
Mathglot (
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02:36, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
There is a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Layout#Placement of expand language templates that may be of interest to those watching this page. Thanks. TimothyJosephWood 12:10, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
This article may be expanded with text trans generates HTML which is inconsistent from other mbox templates. This results in the issue not showing up in mobile (see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T162632)
<td class="mbox-text">
<div class="NavFrame collapsed" style="border:none;" id="NavFrame1">
<div class="NavHead" style="background:transparent;text-align:center;padding-right: 3em; font-weight: normal; text-align: left"><span class="mbox-text-span">This article <b>may be expanded with text translated from the <a href="
https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuselsk%C3%BD_most" class="extiw" title="cs:Nuselský most">corresponding article</a> in Czech</b>. <i><small>(January 2012)</small></i> <small>Click [show] for important translation instructions.</small> </span><a class="NavToggle" id="NavToggle1" href="#">[show]</a></div>
<div class="NavContent" style="background: transparent; text-align: left; display: none;">
.....
This can easily be fixed by moving mbox-text-span above the line <div class="NavFrame collapsed" style="border:none;" id="NavFrame1">
as the mobile site isn't able to render NavFrames.
<span class="mbox-text-span">This article <b>may be expanded with text translated from the <a href="
https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuselsk%C3%BD_most" class="extiw" title="cs:Nuselský most">corresponding article</a> in Czech</b>. <i><small>(January 2012)</small></i> <small>Click [show] for important translation instructions.</small> </span>
@ Mr. Stradivarius: @ MSGJ: is this something that we could do? Jdlrobson ( talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdlrobson ( talk • contribs) 18:04, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
Currently, the doc page Template:Expand language/howto says:
This template marks an opportunity, not a fault. It is less important than a stub mark. Therefore it should not be used as an urgent warning in the beginning of articles.
but this doesn't have consensus and should be removed pending a discussion. This was originally inserted unilaterally by an editor, causing an edit war in September 2016, after which the last revert to the page left the doc in a state which included the unapproved change.
The editor involved is on break for about a month, so no new consensus should be assumed until they get back and have had a chance to discuss this, but in the meantime per WP:BRD the pre- boldly changed version should be in place while the discussion is going on. Mathglot ( talk) 08:50, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
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At the beginning of the second indented paragraph, the words "Upon the translation" make no sense and should be deleted. The instruction will then begin "You must provide ..." and that makes good sense.
In the same paragraph, the words "by noting your translation" are quite unclear. If I've understood them, it would be better to say "by writing Translated from ... and adding an interlanguage link to the source of your translation." Andrew Dalby 15:14, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
When no topic is supplied, can we just default to a blank? eg. Category:Articles needing translation from German Wikipedia? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:06, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
We read
This article may be expanded with text translated from the corresponding article in ...ese.
Please say
This article can be expanded with text translated from the corresponding article in ...ese.
Else it seems that you are saying that the article possibly already contains such content.
Also the "show" button looks like it is there to show you that content right away.
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Substitute ''{{{2|{{{1}}}}}}articletitle''
with ''{{{2|{{{1}}}}}} article title''
, i.e. add spaces between words.
It will make it easier to read. Right now this part renders as e.g. {{Expand ...|Portuguesearticletitle|date=...
and this is hard to read.
93.136.40.235 (
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00:36, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
Hi. Currently, this template has 54494 direct transclusions in articles (
[11]), despite the warning to use the language-specific template instead. How would people feel about a bot run to convert {{
Expand language}} to the language-specific template corresponding with |langcode=
in articles? Thanks, --
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Hi, change Click [show]
to Click [Expand]
as the button to be pressed says [Expand] {{u|
waddie96}} {
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Greetings and felicitations. This is minor, but "Deepl" (see the template's code) should be "DeepL" per its Web site. Would someone please be so kind as to make this correction? — DocWatson42 ( talk) 06:03, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I've now implemented customized edit summary suggestions based on the langcode. You can see two examples of it in the testcases and if you wish to see more use the sandbox version in any of the specific language versions. Would everyone approve if I implement this? The langcode is already used for Wikipedia links which means that the langcode being wrong isn't a problem if the template was working before the change. If no langcode is supplied, or it isn't recognized nothing is changed. Pinging Izno and WikiWarrior9919 who were at the original edit request at Expand French. -- Trialpears ( talk) 17:43, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
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Change the German example on all specific foreign-language expansion templates to their respective languages. I.E: Change the example for a German article on Template:Expand French to an example for a French article, change the example for a German article on Template:Expand Spanish to an example for a Spanish article, etc. 𝕎𝕚𝕜𝕚𝕎𝕒𝕣𝕣𝕚𝕠𝕣𝟡𝟡𝟙𝟡 ( talk) 12:15, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
I.E. for French, change this... :
A model attribution edit summary (using German): Content in this edit is translated from the existing German Wikipedia article at [[:de:Exact name of German article]]; see its history for attribution.
...to this:
A model attribution edit summary: Content in this edit is translated from the existing French Wikipedia article at [[:fr:Exact name of German article]]; see its history for attribution.
...and so on for all the other foreign-language templates. 𝕎𝕚𝕜𝕚𝕎𝕒𝕣𝕣𝕚𝕠𝕣𝟡𝟡𝟙𝟡 ( talk) 12:18, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
I've created a sandbox version that support several languages to be linked through langcode2, langcode3, otherarticle2 and otherarticle3 parameters in response to a
template request by
Ionmars10. Feel free to look at the
testcases and give feedback and if noone objects I will add this feature to the live template in a few days. I also plan on removing the This template should not be placed on article pages directly.
notice at the docs page since the template then would have additional features not accessible through the wrappers ‑‑
Trialpears (
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It appears adding a topic parameter no longer adds an article to a subcategory of "Category:Articles needing translation from x". For example,
2019 Colombian protests is tagged {{Expand Spanish|Protestas en Colombia de 2019|date=December 2019|topic=hist}}
, but the article is not in
Category:History articles needing translation from Spanish Wikipedia or
Category:Articles needing translation from Spanish Wikipedia.
Pinging @ Trialpears, the last user to edit the template. Surachit ( talk) 17:46, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
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editprotected}}
Please add <noinclude>{{pp-template|small=yes}}</noinclude>
to this template. The protection template used to be on the documentation page, but because that same documentation page is used as well by pages that are not protected, this is the best way.
Debresser (
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16:45, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
As usual for templates with datestamps, it should be small here (as it is for
Template:Expand language (non-Latin script)).
Find the following:
{{#if:{{{date|}}}| ''({{{date}}})''}}
Replace with:
{{#if:{{{date|}}}| ''<small>({{{date}}})</small>''}}
And you're done! Gary King ( talk) 03:26, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
The description on this template says to use on the talk page not the article. Is there consensus discussion for that somewhere? No discussion on this talk page. I noticed on other langauge wiki's that similiar templates are places on the article. If it was on the article is would attract more translators as well as indicate to the reader(who maybe bi-lingal) that more information is found in an other language wiki. SunCreator ( talk) 16:32, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Many thanks.
AndrewRT(
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Currently reads(for example):
Please expand this article with text translated from the corresponding article in 'Spanish' Wikipedia.
Consider amending for grammar to say:
{{ editprotected}}
When used in other namespaces than the main namespace, the link to the talk page is incorrect. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Accessibility/What is accessibility? for a live example. I suggest to replace:
must be added to the [[Talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk page]]
by
must be added to the [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|talk page]]
Kind Regards, Dodoïste ( talk) 01:15, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Why must the tag be added to ensure copyright compliance? Articles are CC-BY-SA Wikipedia, translated or not. Just off hand this seems incorrect and should be removed. Int21h ( talk) 12:26, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Our policy is not to use Wikipedia itself as a source for Wikipedia articles. In practise people do copy material from one article to another, as a shortcut way of building an article, though this is not the recommended way of working. Our preferred model is to research the most reliable sources on the topic and summarize what they say, with each statement in the article attributable to a source that makes that statement. While people may wish to shortcut the preferred model and utilise material from other language Wikipedias, I am unsure that we should be urging or encouraging people to do this, especially when they do not themselves know the language of the other Wikipedia, and are being instructed to use Google Translate. When I have come upon this template and examined the linked article I have all too frequently found that the the foreign language article was not adequately and/or usefully sourced. Our policy does encourage that we first use English sources.
As this template appears to be running counter to good advice, good practise, and at least two core policies, is there a value to keeping it? SilkTork * Tea time 18:07, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Is it possible to collapse part of the template, so that only about half its height appears on article pages. The way it is, it really produces a visual problem in the pages it is placed. I mean, if someone wants to help, he is bound to look for "more information" and expand it. But for the avererage reader, it is a downer. Thank you. Hoverfish Talk 14:39, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Once again the whole point them is that they are intentionally built this way. If they are ugly and unsightly, the chance are somebody is more willing to quickly translate and remove the ugly tag. By prettifying it we remove the incentive. That said, it is surely possible to shrink the lower part. The problem in doing so though is that it hides the attribution and translation commands which many will ignore.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:52, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Yeah I agree that they are a little too thick and I personally hate tags on articles. But somehow we need to get content transwikied in thousands if not millions of articles.. These templates definitely need to exist for this purpose, of course shrinkable templates is probably a more desirable option but I fear that some will ignore the translate commands...♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:01, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
There is this blind man sitting on a street with a cardboard that says "I am blind". So everybody passes him by. Then there is this woman that takes his carboard and writes something on it and she leaves and then the money starts pouring in. It turns out she wrote "It's a beautiful day. I can't see it." -or something close. The thing is, I am totally off when it comes to public relations and semantics, but I can tell there are some ways to tantalize the eyes and make people want to help. So, untill we find some public relation guru, I can't suggest a more efficient scheme. Hoverfish Talk 15:33, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
No, absolutely not, it completely defeats the object of them placing them in the talk pages and a direct threat to article growth. We need content translated from other wikipedias and sources found to support them. This will kill the transwiki project. Who looks in the talk pages of every article they read or approach? ♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:49, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
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Please add "the" before "[[:{{{langcode|}}}:|{{ISO 639 name {{{langcode|}}}}} Wikipedia]]''
", to fix grammar problems.
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The use of the hiragana in the symbol for translation from other latin-alphabet-languages (such as French, German, or Spanish) strikes me as strongly anglocentric -- with the subliminal message "it's not English -- it's moonspeak". Suggestion: Use the two-letter country codes to symbolize the languages to be translated to and from instead (or use a flag to sybolise the non-English source language). Pgoergen ( talk) 15:47, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
We shouldn't say "Click [show] on the right for instructions"; the "show" link may not be on the right for all users; and right and left are irrelevant to blind editors hearing the page read to them by assistive software. (I wrote more about this issue on my blog.) How can we reword this? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:12, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Should the templates in Category:Expand by language Wikipedia templates be used in the article talk pages instead of in the articles. My main concern is that when such a template is used it often will be years before the translation is done and in the mean time these templates are cluttering up the articles they are on without any additional benefit. – Allen4 names 05:31, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to change Template:Translate, which currently redirects to Template:Not English, into an updated and consolidated version of this template. Please discuss at Wikipedia talk:Translation#Repurposing Template:Translate?. Thanks! Calliopejen1 ( talk) 19:09, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
The template covers three lines of double spaces text. this is too big for a template of this type. CAn I recommend the "Click [show] on the right to review important translation instructions before translating." is removed (It is redundant) and/or the doulbe spacing is removed. -- Alan Liefting ( talk - contribs) 23:11, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
Some editors citation needed including myself dubious – discuss do not like have big banner templates at the top of pages. If they are of high importance to the reader all well and good but a lot of templates are for editors only. And they hang around for years. I want to have the recommended usage of this template as being placed in the references section of an article. -- Alan Liefting ( talk - contribs) 23:16, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
Is there a way that the link that says show could be changed "Show instructions" and then the message "Click [show] on the right for instructions." removed? RJFJR ( talk) 21:46, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
I noticed some of these templates on Good articles and thought they were unnecessarily obtrusive. As such last night I made a proposal at the village pump that they should be moved to the talk page. I did not relise that this same proposal had been made here a few times before. As lack of participation was the major reason no consensus was reached here it may garner a better response there. AIRcorn (talk) 20:13, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
Google translate now supports Lao, so please add Lao to the list of languages avaliable with GT The ChampionMan 1234 10:05, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
While there may not be agreement about using this template only on talk pages (although that could be revisited) we could at least adapt the template so that it can be used on talk pages. This could easily be achieved by switching to {{ tmbox}} when placed on a talk page. Any thoughts? — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 20:59, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
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Request: Change
...|lo |lt |lv| mk |ml |mt |nl |no |pl...
to
...|lo |lt |lv |mk |ms |mt |nl |no |pl...
Reason: ml: is the code for Malayalam language and ms: for Malay language ( verify). Google translate offers translation only to Malay (ms) language and not to Malayalam (ml). This must have occurred [1] accidentally. Tested at the sandbox [2] and checked if it works on /testcases. Thank you. ··· Vanischenu 「m/ Talk」 11:55, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
Similarly to the templates {{ Expand Spanish}}, {{ Expand French}}, etc., let us add a template {{ Expand Other languages}} for article expansion from multiple languages, with languages which to expand from as parameters in the format
{{Expand Other languages|language1, language2,...}}
oldid wikipedia article "Pericles"
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Could someone edit the tag so it only takes up one line on the page. I am thinking the best solution would be to remove "Click [show] on the right for instructions." and simply have the show button next to the date on the top line. There may be other improvements that can be gleaned from the Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Template:Expand French discussion, but this is one that appears to have consensus (or at least no arguements against). If an admin can get consensus out of any of the other suggestions (whether to have the google translation link, placement of tag etc) that would be a bonus. Regards AIRcorn (talk) 23:43, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
AIRcorn (talk) 23:43, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
I don't think this is feasible (or at least, it's not straightforward). The template uses {{ hidden}}, which requires a header. There's probably a way around that, but personally, I don't think that "click show" line is a problem. For me, the template only becomes intrusive when the "View a machine translated version of the article" stretches it to three lines. It would be easy enough to move that bit into the collapsible part of the template. I think that's what I've done here, but I don't know how to test it without actually implementing it; the line doesn't appear until one of the daughter language templates is used in an article. Could someone who knows about template syntax take a look at the sandbox and check if I've done what I think I have? And would you be happy with that as a solution, Aircorn? DoctorKubla ( talk) 16:40, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
I've done some hackish work in reducing the whitespace used by this template in the sandbox. It's not perfect (the "show" text hovers unpleasantly over the rest of it in closed state) but it's getting there. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) ( talk) 09:04, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
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Change to use #language
. The extensibility of ISO 639 name isn't needed here 'cos we're only dealing with other wikis' lang codes. Change is in the
sandbox. —
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22:34, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
The articles tagged with Template:Expand Norwegian does not populate the category Category:Articles needing translation from Norwegian Wikipedia. Any experienced editors reading this that knows how to fix it? Mentoz86 ( talk) 10:26, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
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The image isn't working right; it shows the text 'link =' when hovered over. I think it has to be changed from [[File:Translation to english arrow.svg|50x40px|alt = |link = ]] to [[File:Translation to english arrow.svg|50x40px|alt=|link=]] (without the extra spaces). Cathfolant ( talk) 21:44, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Sorry if this comment duplicates some of the discussion on similar or "related" topics within the last year. I do not think it belongs under any of the "existing" sections of this "Talk:" page.
Today I noticed that, if I use "Ctrl-Minus" to shrink the text size so much that the entire sentence
"Click [show] on the right to read important instructions before translating."
fits on one line, then that entire sentence will also fit within the box that encloses [all or 'most' of] the "Expand <language>" template; but if not, -- (or if I were to use "Ctrl-Plus" to enlarge it [if necessary] such that the sentence requires multiple lines) -- then the second line (or, all lines except the first) of that sentence will NOT fit within the box! ...it seems to appear outside (or: "partly" outside) the box.
I realize that this can be affected by things on my end, but I tried it with 3 different browser programs (Google Chrome, Microsoft Internet Explorer, and Firefox), and the "problem" seemed to be the same with all 3 browsers.
I first noticed this when reading an article in the Enlish Wikipedia ( W:en:Haskalah) (at the URL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haskalah). I was using the Browser Google Chrome (version 27.0.1453.94). The magnification was [already] set to 250%. (But it can be expanded or shrunk, using "Ctrl-Plus" or "Ctrl-Minus".) The last word (only) of the sentence ending with "before translating", was "partly" outside the box. (It was *right* "on the line".)
I spent a little bit of time trying to find the template file (that I thought I 'might' be able to edit), to fix the problem. Then I gave up. I do not know where the change might have to be made. (Is it possible that this "issue" might be generic to all templates where there is some text surrounded by a box? ...or maybe those that contain a "{{hidden}}" tag?) I still do not know where the code (or the script, or whatever it is) is located, that determines the size of the box.
Just a report. Any advice? Thanks, -- Mike Schwartz ( talk) 01:15, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
When I click "show" the text that reads "This article may be expanded with text translated from the corresponding article in ..." overlaps "Do not translate text that appears unreliable or low-quality..." Hyacinth ( talk) 15:09, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Heya, the category tag for Expand language ZH is showing in the wrong place - i.e. in plaintext as part of the article, rather than being interpreted as a category tag - on Jaw-Shen Tsai. Any ideas? | Naypta ✉ opened his mouth at 11:13, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
In the instructions, the first two lines begin:
The "view" link always goes to Google and not any other translation software, but Google isn't mentioned until the second bullet point. It should say something like:
In the future it would be useful to support links to other translation software if this is available. (I haven't gone looking for thus, but I know Babelfish was around before Google was doing it, and whether they still are or not, there could be others in the future.) Then the instructions might change to something like:
A second point: the second bullet continues with a suggestion to "revise errors". I think this would read better as "correct errors" or "revise to correct errors". -- 174.88.134.156 ( talk) 20:46, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
Can we default the otherarticle
to the Wikidata value for the Wikilink to the article in the other language, if it is defined?
I don't know how we would do this, but I guess it can be done via {{#property:}}
or something... {{
Wikidata value}}
has some clues...
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Please implement the changes from the template's sandbox. I made it automatically get the sitelink from Wikidata if possible and no explicit link is given. nyuszika7h ( talk) 21:25, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
Please add a missing letter N: should be "corresponding article". Thanks! Jodi.a.schneider ( talk) 14:51, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
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No one with the ability to do it seems to have noticed the request above. Please correct this spelling. Emeraude ( talk) 08:15, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
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Google translate offers translation in 104 languages, however this template only contains codes for 66 of them, the following were added by google after this template was protected and were never added into the template:
Amharic, Bosnian, Burmese, Cebuano, Chewa, Corsican, Hausa, Hawaiian, Hmong, Igbo, Javanese, Kazakh, Khmer, Kurdish, Kyrgyz, Luxembourgish, Malagasy, Malayalam, Marathi, Mongolian, Maori, Nepali, Pashto, Punjabi, Samoan, Scottish Gaelic, Shona, Sindhi, Sinhalese, Somali, Sotho, Sundanese, Tajik, Uzbek, West Frisian, Xhosa, Yoruba, Zulu
There may be others missing as well, I would add them myself if I could. —
Abrahamic Faiths (
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20:17, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
Here is what the completed list of codes would look like with all the codes, excluding hmong which doesn't have a wikipedia to correspond to:
|af |am |ar |az |be |bg |bn |bs |ca |ceb |co |cs |cy |da |de |el |en |eo |es |et |eu |fa |fi |fr |fy |ga |gd |gl |gu |ha |haw |he |hi |hr |ht |hu |hy |id |ig |is |it |ja |jv |ka |kk |km |kn |ko |ku |ky |la |lb |lo |lt |lv |mg |mi |mk |ml |mn |mr |ms |mt |my |ne |nl |no |ny |pa |pl |ps |pt |ro |ru |sd |sh |si |sk |sl |sm |sn |so |sq |sr |su |sv |sw |ta |te |tg |th |tl |tr |uk |ur |uz |vi |xh |yi |yo |zh |zu =
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Currently the googlelangcode override parameter no longer works, inserting it on a template currently does nothing, both Norwegian (Nynorsk) and Belarusian (Taraškievica) can be translated using google translate but currently these templates do not give option for translation due to this, I also noticed the code for Serbo-Croatian |sh which is not in google translate was in this template and it shows up on the Serbo-Croatian template giving translation option, I also tested here and found that adding in |nn and |be-tarask to the list would allow for translation option. Also as a side note Sotho |st is also missing from the list and needs to be added in as well.
Here would be the complete list with the addition of Nynorsk, Taraškievica and Sotho
|af |am |ar |az |be |be-tarask |bg |bn |bs |ca |ceb |co |cs |cy |da |de |el |en |eo |es |et |eu |fa |fi |fr |fy |ga |gd |gl |gu |ha |haw |he |hi |hr |ht |hu |hy |id |ig |is |it |ja |jv |ka |kk |km |kn |ko |ku |ky |la |lb |lo |lt |lv |mg |mi |mk |ml |mn |mr |ms |mt |my |ne |nl |nn |no |ny |pa |pl |ps |pt |ro |ru |sd |sh |si |sk |sl |sm |sn |so |sq |sr |st |su |sv |sw |ta |te |tg |th |tl |tr |uk |ur |uz |vi |xh |yi |yo |zh |zu =
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Abrahamic Faiths (
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15:48, 20 August 2016 (UTC)googlelangcode override parameter no longer works, but it's just that 3 extra language codes from the sandbox should synced live. Anyway, I've synced to the sandbox along with minor tweaks. Re-open if there are still issues. — Andy W. ( talk · ctb) 16:55, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
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In certain cases, the template generates a link for viewing a machine-translated version of an article via Google Translate. For the URL that is used for the link, it would be useful to change http://translate.google.com/translate?&u=http%3A%2F%2F{{{langcode|}}}.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F{{urlencode:{{{otherarticle}}}}}&sl={{{googlelangcode|{{{langcode|}}}}}}&tl=en
to https://translate.google.com/translate?&u=https%3A%2F%2F{{{langcode|}}}.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F{{urlencode:{{{otherarticle}}}}}&sl={{{googlelangcode|{{{langcode|}}}}}}&tl=en&prev=_t&hl=en
instead. In particular, this new URL for Google Translate works even if the user has the
HTTPS Everywhere browser extension enabled, whereas the existing URL leads to a Google Translate page where the URL of the article to be translated is identified but the translation does not take place if HTTPS Everywhere is enabled. In addition, the new URL should provide increased privacy and security for users by incorporating HTTPS for Google Translate and Wikipedia. Thanks. --
Elegie (
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...no it isn't. Please scrap that bullet and replace it with "Google's machine translation can be a useful starting point for understanding the non-English Wikipedia article, but it should not be used for translating content into the English Wikipedia article. Short quotes from machine translation may be placed on the article talk page as a starting point for discussion." Rd232 talk 01:00, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Can we please have another template that suggests the need for a Simple English Wikipedia version of an English Wikipedia article?
Qwertyxp2000 ( talk) 06:00, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
(also, this is probably the wrong place for this proposal. Just sayin'.) Hppavilion1 ( talk) 18:03, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
This tag does not mark a fault, not even a deficiency. It is an exhortation to other editors to do something that the tagging editor cannot or do not want to do herself. Most of the time it is in the interest of the reader that it gets done. But it is not in the interest of the reader to see this tag. The situation is very similar to the stub tag, which has been discussed much more extensively. This tag should follow the example of the stub tag: smaller and placement near the bottom of the page. -- Ettrig ( talk) 06:38, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
User:Ettrig has been single handedly trying to relocate the expand language templates to the bottom of pages across multiple pages against the consensus [4], having already begun the process, a few examples shown here [5] [6] [7] [8], and is continuously trying to force this new guideline onto the howto template [9] which is transcluded on the documentation on all the expand templates. I have suggested that things should remain at status quo ante until a proper discussion takes place and consensus is reached, but he continues to revert to his version, if anyone could help mediate this issue that would be great. — Abrahamic Faiths ( talk) 17:50, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
And for those who are trying to change it from top to bottom, or from bottom to top, and couldn't because it's so devilishly hard to find, here ya go:
Template:Expand_language/howto. Have at it!
Mathglot (
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There is a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Layout#Placement of expand language templates that may be of interest to those watching this page. Thanks. TimothyJosephWood 12:10, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
This article may be expanded with text trans generates HTML which is inconsistent from other mbox templates. This results in the issue not showing up in mobile (see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T162632)
<td class="mbox-text">
<div class="NavFrame collapsed" style="border:none;" id="NavFrame1">
<div class="NavHead" style="background:transparent;text-align:center;padding-right: 3em; font-weight: normal; text-align: left"><span class="mbox-text-span">This article <b>may be expanded with text translated from the <a href="
https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuselsk%C3%BD_most" class="extiw" title="cs:Nuselský most">corresponding article</a> in Czech</b>. <i><small>(January 2012)</small></i> <small>Click [show] for important translation instructions.</small> </span><a class="NavToggle" id="NavToggle1" href="#">[show]</a></div>
<div class="NavContent" style="background: transparent; text-align: left; display: none;">
.....
This can easily be fixed by moving mbox-text-span above the line <div class="NavFrame collapsed" style="border:none;" id="NavFrame1">
as the mobile site isn't able to render NavFrames.
<span class="mbox-text-span">This article <b>may be expanded with text translated from the <a href="
https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuselsk%C3%BD_most" class="extiw" title="cs:Nuselský most">corresponding article</a> in Czech</b>. <i><small>(January 2012)</small></i> <small>Click [show] for important translation instructions.</small> </span>
@ Mr. Stradivarius: @ MSGJ: is this something that we could do? Jdlrobson ( talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdlrobson ( talk • contribs) 18:04, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
Currently, the doc page Template:Expand language/howto says:
This template marks an opportunity, not a fault. It is less important than a stub mark. Therefore it should not be used as an urgent warning in the beginning of articles.
but this doesn't have consensus and should be removed pending a discussion. This was originally inserted unilaterally by an editor, causing an edit war in September 2016, after which the last revert to the page left the doc in a state which included the unapproved change.
The editor involved is on break for about a month, so no new consensus should be assumed until they get back and have had a chance to discuss this, but in the meantime per WP:BRD the pre- boldly changed version should be in place while the discussion is going on. Mathglot ( talk) 08:50, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
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At the beginning of the second indented paragraph, the words "Upon the translation" make no sense and should be deleted. The instruction will then begin "You must provide ..." and that makes good sense.
In the same paragraph, the words "by noting your translation" are quite unclear. If I've understood them, it would be better to say "by writing Translated from ... and adding an interlanguage link to the source of your translation." Andrew Dalby 15:14, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
When no topic is supplied, can we just default to a blank? eg. Category:Articles needing translation from German Wikipedia? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:06, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
We read
This article may be expanded with text translated from the corresponding article in ...ese.
Please say
This article can be expanded with text translated from the corresponding article in ...ese.
Else it seems that you are saying that the article possibly already contains such content.
Also the "show" button looks like it is there to show you that content right away.
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Substitute ''{{{2|{{{1}}}}}}articletitle''
with ''{{{2|{{{1}}}}}} article title''
, i.e. add spaces between words.
It will make it easier to read. Right now this part renders as e.g. {{Expand ...|Portuguesearticletitle|date=...
and this is hard to read.
93.136.40.235 (
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00:36, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
Hi. Currently, this template has 54494 direct transclusions in articles (
[11]), despite the warning to use the language-specific template instead. How would people feel about a bot run to convert {{
Expand language}} to the language-specific template corresponding with |langcode=
in articles? Thanks, --
DannyS712 (
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05:54, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
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Hi, change Click [show]
to Click [Expand]
as the button to be pressed says [Expand] {{u|
waddie96}} {
talk}
21:30, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Greetings and felicitations. This is minor, but "Deepl" (see the template's code) should be "DeepL" per its Web site. Would someone please be so kind as to make this correction? — DocWatson42 ( talk) 06:03, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I've now implemented customized edit summary suggestions based on the langcode. You can see two examples of it in the testcases and if you wish to see more use the sandbox version in any of the specific language versions. Would everyone approve if I implement this? The langcode is already used for Wikipedia links which means that the langcode being wrong isn't a problem if the template was working before the change. If no langcode is supplied, or it isn't recognized nothing is changed. Pinging Izno and WikiWarrior9919 who were at the original edit request at Expand French. -- Trialpears ( talk) 17:43, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
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Change the German example on all specific foreign-language expansion templates to their respective languages. I.E: Change the example for a German article on Template:Expand French to an example for a French article, change the example for a German article on Template:Expand Spanish to an example for a Spanish article, etc. 𝕎𝕚𝕜𝕚𝕎𝕒𝕣𝕣𝕚𝕠𝕣𝟡𝟡𝟙𝟡 ( talk) 12:15, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
I.E. for French, change this... :
A model attribution edit summary (using German): Content in this edit is translated from the existing German Wikipedia article at [[:de:Exact name of German article]]; see its history for attribution.
...to this:
A model attribution edit summary: Content in this edit is translated from the existing French Wikipedia article at [[:fr:Exact name of German article]]; see its history for attribution.
...and so on for all the other foreign-language templates. 𝕎𝕚𝕜𝕚𝕎𝕒𝕣𝕣𝕚𝕠𝕣𝟡𝟡𝟙𝟡 ( talk) 12:18, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
I've created a sandbox version that support several languages to be linked through langcode2, langcode3, otherarticle2 and otherarticle3 parameters in response to a
template request by
Ionmars10. Feel free to look at the
testcases and give feedback and if noone objects I will add this feature to the live template in a few days. I also plan on removing the This template should not be placed on article pages directly.
notice at the docs page since the template then would have additional features not accessible through the wrappers ‑‑
Trialpears (
talk)
16:10, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
It appears adding a topic parameter no longer adds an article to a subcategory of "Category:Articles needing translation from x". For example,
2019 Colombian protests is tagged {{Expand Spanish|Protestas en Colombia de 2019|date=December 2019|topic=hist}}
, but the article is not in
Category:History articles needing translation from Spanish Wikipedia or
Category:Articles needing translation from Spanish Wikipedia.
Pinging @ Trialpears, the last user to edit the template. Surachit ( talk) 17:46, 26 January 2020 (UTC)