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Should we use a generic template that may or may not produce red links?
Moxy (
talk)
15:07, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
I have reverted the addition of this template at
Template:Culture of Canada sidebar - as per
WP:REDNOT - is there a way to fix this so the thing is not full of red links?
Moxy (
talk)
14:34, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
I don't think navboxes should have redlinks of this kind. Navboxes are for linking to related existing articles about the subject, not for listing every possible combination of subject-subarticle. Redlinks in navboxes should be restricted to times when excluding them from a series would leave a question in a reader's mind of whether the actual subject exists. The exclusion of something like "Traditions of Germany" wouldn't make a reader think Germany had no traditions if they don't see the redlink. This template shouldn't show the fields for which no information was input. — Bility ( talk) 17:50, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Redlinks may sometimes be necessary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada * municipal doctor example. I think this page needs to be created to educate people about healthcare in Canada. In situations like these redlinks are necessary, but creating unnessesary redlinks should be a bad thing. Thoughts? Thepoodlechef ( talk) 04:47, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
Without a word of consensus from anybody ClaretAsh ( talk · contribs) just started to bestow many different projects with his new template prototype and even reformat articles to comply with its new design structure, i.e. Russian culture → N Folklore of Russia. Please read what our policy/guidelines say about this sort of attitude.
It is a good idea to seek the opinions of other editors before embarking on a design of a new infobox or redesign of an existing one. Most requirements are already met by an existing infobox and most of the remainder can be met with a tweak. Unnecessary duplication leads to clutter and article divergence. Prototype your new design in your own user space. Once prototyped, propose the infobox changes to the appropriate WikiProject and gain consensus before deploying your new design in the template namespace.
For detailed guidance on how to design infoboxes, see Help:Designing infoboxes.
More info at Template talk:Culture of Poland. Poeticbent talk 15:23, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
@Poeticbent. I've replied to you already at Template talk:Culture of Poland and I've already demonstrated there that your criticisms range from being incorrect to outright bizarre. And your current obsession with Help:Infobox, despite the fact {{ Culture of region}} is a navigation box not an infobox, is quite amusing. This aside from the fact that I did "seek the opinions of other editors before embarking on a design" (see here and here), that I did "prototype the new design in my own user space" (check the template history), and that I did "propose the changes to the appropriate WikiProject" (again, see here). I agree there was "unnecessary duplication and article divergence" prior to my introduction of a standardised template. As I've already told you, the previous templates were based on {{ region culture}}, {{ navbox}}, {{ sidebar}}, {{ infobox}} and {{ culturebox}}, with great dissimilarity in design, layout and scope, allowing similar articles for different countries to evolve in different directions. As for gaining consensus, if I were to sit around waiting for other people to be interested enough to comment, I'd still be sitting here in several years time. Anyway, as only one editor (Moxy) has offered serious criticism, I consider there to be a consensus by silence. Note there that I mentioned only one editor. I do not consider you, Poeticbent, to have offered serious criticism. What you have done, though, is attempt to open a secret discussion (didn't you learn anything from that EEML debacle?) about my editing with the first comment therein being when and from where I registered an account. Naturally, I took issue with the relevance of that and queried it but I'm still awaiting a response. As it stands now, I've addressed ALL your concerns but all you have done is troll for further responses from me (yes, I did notice the snide edit summary here). So here's your backlash. I hope it gives you satisfaction because it is all you'll get from me until you explain, honestly, why you felt called upon to mention when and from where I joined Wikipedia. Claret Ash 00:21, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
There is code in the sandbox and examples on the testcases page. Here are the major changes to the template:
|nolink-main=
allows you to unlink the "Culture of Region" title at the top of the template.|portal=
replaces |portaloverride=
and if empty no "Portal:Region" link is added at the bottom.The reason I prefer to use parameters to control the suppression of topics and links as opposed to {{#ifexists:}}
is because it avoids the relatively expensive parser function. Luckily there aren't many (in my opinion) templates using Culture of region, so fixing them up wouldn't take too long. Due to the mechanics of the code, the sandbox version would not be able to replace the current version until all the uses are updated. If you wanted to do a piecemeal approach to the update, you could change individual uses to use the sandbox itself, and when they're all converted, replace the code in the template and change all uses to the main template. Obviously this is all pending the outcome of the discussion on whether to keep red links in the template or not. —
Bility (
talk)
17:18, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
|mythoverride=
to put [[Polish mythology|Mythology]]
into the template. —
Bility (
talk)
15:19, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
I've implemented auto-detection. Yes, it's expensive, but better that than this template being either removed or spamming red links on projects that don't go disabling everything. There are still some bugs to iron out (if the hard-coded lists contain entries, but there's no parent link at the list title, it appears as "list"), but it's an improvement from the old sea-of-redlinks. If there are any further bugs please let me know.
Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (
talk) 15:47, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (
talk)
14:53, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
I think history should link to cultural history, not history. Ex. Template:Culture of Poland should link to cultural history of Poland, and not history of Poland. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 17:23, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
Wouldn't a topic on Geography be included in the template? -- Ganeshprasadkp ( talk) 10:18, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Is it possible to disable the automatic appearance of the "Flag" bit in symbols? The "Culture of Korea" template wouldn't work as there's multiple flags toobigtokale ( talk) 22:38, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
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This template was considered for deletion on 2 April 2012. The result of the discussion was "keep, but add functionality to suppress redlinks". |
Should we use a generic template that may or may not produce red links?
Moxy (
talk)
15:07, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
I have reverted the addition of this template at
Template:Culture of Canada sidebar - as per
WP:REDNOT - is there a way to fix this so the thing is not full of red links?
Moxy (
talk)
14:34, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
I don't think navboxes should have redlinks of this kind. Navboxes are for linking to related existing articles about the subject, not for listing every possible combination of subject-subarticle. Redlinks in navboxes should be restricted to times when excluding them from a series would leave a question in a reader's mind of whether the actual subject exists. The exclusion of something like "Traditions of Germany" wouldn't make a reader think Germany had no traditions if they don't see the redlink. This template shouldn't show the fields for which no information was input. — Bility ( talk) 17:50, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Redlinks may sometimes be necessary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada * municipal doctor example. I think this page needs to be created to educate people about healthcare in Canada. In situations like these redlinks are necessary, but creating unnessesary redlinks should be a bad thing. Thoughts? Thepoodlechef ( talk) 04:47, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
Without a word of consensus from anybody ClaretAsh ( talk · contribs) just started to bestow many different projects with his new template prototype and even reformat articles to comply with its new design structure, i.e. Russian culture → N Folklore of Russia. Please read what our policy/guidelines say about this sort of attitude.
It is a good idea to seek the opinions of other editors before embarking on a design of a new infobox or redesign of an existing one. Most requirements are already met by an existing infobox and most of the remainder can be met with a tweak. Unnecessary duplication leads to clutter and article divergence. Prototype your new design in your own user space. Once prototyped, propose the infobox changes to the appropriate WikiProject and gain consensus before deploying your new design in the template namespace.
For detailed guidance on how to design infoboxes, see Help:Designing infoboxes.
More info at Template talk:Culture of Poland. Poeticbent talk 15:23, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
@Poeticbent. I've replied to you already at Template talk:Culture of Poland and I've already demonstrated there that your criticisms range from being incorrect to outright bizarre. And your current obsession with Help:Infobox, despite the fact {{ Culture of region}} is a navigation box not an infobox, is quite amusing. This aside from the fact that I did "seek the opinions of other editors before embarking on a design" (see here and here), that I did "prototype the new design in my own user space" (check the template history), and that I did "propose the changes to the appropriate WikiProject" (again, see here). I agree there was "unnecessary duplication and article divergence" prior to my introduction of a standardised template. As I've already told you, the previous templates were based on {{ region culture}}, {{ navbox}}, {{ sidebar}}, {{ infobox}} and {{ culturebox}}, with great dissimilarity in design, layout and scope, allowing similar articles for different countries to evolve in different directions. As for gaining consensus, if I were to sit around waiting for other people to be interested enough to comment, I'd still be sitting here in several years time. Anyway, as only one editor (Moxy) has offered serious criticism, I consider there to be a consensus by silence. Note there that I mentioned only one editor. I do not consider you, Poeticbent, to have offered serious criticism. What you have done, though, is attempt to open a secret discussion (didn't you learn anything from that EEML debacle?) about my editing with the first comment therein being when and from where I registered an account. Naturally, I took issue with the relevance of that and queried it but I'm still awaiting a response. As it stands now, I've addressed ALL your concerns but all you have done is troll for further responses from me (yes, I did notice the snide edit summary here). So here's your backlash. I hope it gives you satisfaction because it is all you'll get from me until you explain, honestly, why you felt called upon to mention when and from where I joined Wikipedia. Claret Ash 00:21, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
There is code in the sandbox and examples on the testcases page. Here are the major changes to the template:
|nolink-main=
allows you to unlink the "Culture of Region" title at the top of the template.|portal=
replaces |portaloverride=
and if empty no "Portal:Region" link is added at the bottom.The reason I prefer to use parameters to control the suppression of topics and links as opposed to {{#ifexists:}}
is because it avoids the relatively expensive parser function. Luckily there aren't many (in my opinion) templates using Culture of region, so fixing them up wouldn't take too long. Due to the mechanics of the code, the sandbox version would not be able to replace the current version until all the uses are updated. If you wanted to do a piecemeal approach to the update, you could change individual uses to use the sandbox itself, and when they're all converted, replace the code in the template and change all uses to the main template. Obviously this is all pending the outcome of the discussion on whether to keep red links in the template or not. —
Bility (
talk)
17:18, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
|mythoverride=
to put [[Polish mythology|Mythology]]
into the template. —
Bility (
talk)
15:19, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
I've implemented auto-detection. Yes, it's expensive, but better that than this template being either removed or spamming red links on projects that don't go disabling everything. There are still some bugs to iron out (if the hard-coded lists contain entries, but there's no parent link at the list title, it appears as "list"), but it's an improvement from the old sea-of-redlinks. If there are any further bugs please let me know.
Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (
talk) 15:47, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (
talk)
14:53, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
I think history should link to cultural history, not history. Ex. Template:Culture of Poland should link to cultural history of Poland, and not history of Poland. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 17:23, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
Wouldn't a topic on Geography be included in the template? -- Ganeshprasadkp ( talk) 10:18, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
Is it possible to disable the automatic appearance of the "Flag" bit in symbols? The "Culture of Korea" template wouldn't work as there's multiple flags toobigtokale ( talk) 22:38, 10 August 2023 (UTC)