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Many thise "empires" such as Austria- Hungary,Coureland and sweden only had a few colonies I ddont't think thart they can be counted as colonial empires
I believe it would be beneficial to add the Courland colonization to this template but for that to happen, this flag needs to be uploaded, [1]. My computer has issues uploading images.(I really don't understand why I can download stuff and everything). Falphin 23:25, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
I added the US because they are included and discussed in the article. There is no reason not to include the US in the template. The argument "the US never had colonies or engaged in imperialism" is not valid nor true, see discussion pages of relevant article.-- David Barba ( talk) 01:10, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
- If you add the United States, add every nation that ever had colonies, like the Ottoman Empire, Persia, China, etc. The US should not be on the list because it was not imperialistic, since it is a democracy and lacks ever having an imperial government. 76.235.161.47 ( talk) 17:55, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I'll wait for your response before reverting the edit. Please use references, not just personal assertions, POVs. Thanks-- David Barba ( talk) 23:11, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I can find textbooks that say that Africans are an inferior race. Just because it is in a textbook doesn't make it true. Leftist these days have a way of redefining words when situations won't make things fit. If you look at the definition of racism pre-1960s it requires a belief in the superiority of one race over another as a qualifier. Today, this seems to have strangely changed. Prejudice has been redefined to Racist. Remember when they tried to push prejudice is bad but it went nowhere? They redefined it to racist because that goes somewhere fast. Remember the ozone thing that went no where? Now they talk of global warming? It is all the same game to them. 208.58.6.221 ( talk) 20:01, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
This template seems to be incomplete. Their needs to be a section on Belgium, Japan, Russia, and the United States. 12.220.47.145 19:42, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
The flags are too modern. At least the German one should be the flag of the German Empire, not the flag of the Federal Republic of Germany.
The flag of Italy should be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Italy_flag_1861.png, but I see that the other flags are ".svg". Is it a problem to change it, anyway?
In agreement with Falphin, above I believe Courland should be included. Sweden at its height had at most two colonies at at time. Courland had two has well. Besides, every other european colonial power is up there. Will revert once, but if revereted then we will continue on with a discussion. 12.220.94.199 23:51, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
I don't know how we would go about this but we could create a list of colonial nations page, and link it at the bottom of the template. The issue, is we would have to come up with enough countries and then write articles on them. But Courland, Austria, Australia, New Zealand, etc could be included. 12.220.94.199 22:31, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
The current flag has only been in use since 1910. While the Portugal had colonies until 1999, I'm would prefer to use one of the older flags. I personally like the usage of the flag from 1485-1495 [10] because it easy to see, and it was during Portugal's height. The disadvantage is that it was only used for 10 years. 12.220.94.199 02:00, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Any chance anyone could write an article on this? 12.220.94.199 02:23, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
The current flag
is not the state flag but the naval flag. I think the state flag should be used in this template. --
Park-j 09:46, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I have added the austrian empire to the template. If any one has any questions please go ahead. T.Hall
The Austrian Empire might be appropriate to add on. Just because it didn't have any oversea areas, dosn't mean that Bosnia, Venice, and Poland wern't colonies. Casey14 03:51, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Should Ottoman Empire to be included into the template? Zaparojdik 20:58, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Calling a religious state such as the Ottoman Empire a "colonial empire" compared to the likes of France, Spain and England is just amateurism. WP:POLICY states that other wp articles cannot be used as sources, for fairly obvious reasons. I've never seen the Ottoman Empire being cited as a colonial state, this would contradict a great deal of western historiography principles (it would consider Egypt a colonised state for starters). Can you back up this claim with sources? Thanks. I agree largely with Pavel here, quality control is very weak. Miskin 21:56, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
toward the eastern europe states same for nazi germany with vichy france and croatia as its colonies? Paris By Night 20:38, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
The Ottoman Empire and the United states have no part in the "colonial empires" list. They don't fit there under any definition of the term, especially the Ottoman Empire which was an Islamic state where citizenship was determined by religion. I'm not sure if Russia and Japan do fit the definition but I think not. As you probably know colonialism has a very specific meaning and it's not as abstract as some editors tend to think. I think those inaccuracies should be corrected on the "colonial empires" template. Miskin 21:45, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
The United States does fit. - MichiganCharms 20:33, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Colonalism
- practice of ruling nations as colonies: a policy in which a country rules other nations and develops trade for its own benefit
[12]
- The control of one nation by “transplanted” people of another nation — often a geographically distant nation that has a different culture and dominant racial or ethnic group.
- the control or governing influence of a nation over a dependent country, territory, or people.
- the system or policy by which a nation maintains or advocates such control or influence.
The United States was a colonial empire(if for a short time-considering your point of view), the Philippines was acquired during the Spanish American War. In an age of Imperialism - Americans such as President William Mckinley felt they needed join the European powers in colonial adventures in order for the United States to be taken more seriously as a power, however they were opposed by anti-imperialists by Mark Twain. The Americans fought the Filipinos during the Philippine-American War, the Philippines gained self rule in 1916, became a commonwealth in 1935 and gained full independence in 1946.
The Ottoman Empire was a colonial Empire, it ruled over Egypt and exercised influence over the barbary states of North Africa.(see Hayreddin Barbarossa, Barbary Coast, History of Ottoman Egypt, Ottoman Empire) Many Ottoman Turks settled in Europe, together with local conversions to Islam and the intermixing with local population this established the present-day Islamic population of Europe.
The Russia and the Japan were colonial empires they both exerted influence over China (see,
Relations between the Empire of Japan and the Russian Empire).
European Russians settled in Siberia, Central Asia, the Russians also established protectorates over the
Khanate of Khiva,
Emirate of Bukhara and political influence over Persia.(see
Russian Empire,
Vladivostok,
Russian conquest of Siberia)
Japan annexed Korea in 1910 and Japanese colonists were present in Korea, Manchuria, China and former German Pacific Mandates right up till the end of World War II. (see
Japanese people in North Korea,
South Pacific Mandate,
Imperial Japanese colonialism in Manchukuo,
Japanese strategic planning for the Pacific (1905-1940),
Manchukuo#Japanese population)
- —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
136.186.1.193 (
talk) 03:47, August 23, 2007 (UTC)
Basically, I just stated it. Russia never had any overseas colonies. The Ottomans and Austrians are supposedly not on this list because of that reason. Casey14 04:18, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
O.k so iv'e added Austria again. I decided that Austria needed to be included and here are 9 reasons why: -1.Austria's contribution to colonialism was no smaller then Sweden or Courland,who never posessed a great deal of colonies either.
-2.Austria was invited to the Berlin convention of 1885 to decide on the carving up of Africa surely a colonial meating?
-3.Austria was one of the great powers from 1815 until 1918 and was generally treated as such by other powers.
-4.Austria was ruled by an Emperor under the name of empire.
-5.Austria may have not planted thousands of it's people across the world or controlled oceans or trade routes but this does not disqualify it's claim to colonialism.
-6.Austria's miserable lack of colonies came from it being bullied and outperformed by powers better placed to exploit the sea and not from lack of interest.
-7.Austria's navey was still a force to be reconed with,as the so called "colonial power", Italy found out at the battle of Lissa (1866).
-8.Austria's weakness was merely geographic,it was just as politically, economically and socially advanced as the "western" colonial powers.And just as geared towards expansionism.
-9.If Courland, a small baltic duchy,that was little more then a dependancy of Poland, can be included as a colonial power for possesing a few carribean isles, then surely one of the great powers o Europe can be included for owning an indian archipeligo,some frozen islands and a cluster of chinese and indian trading post?
-T.Hall —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomas Hall ( talk • contribs) 12:32, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
What's up with all these changes going on for? Was there a memo I missed that allows a person to arbitrarily do these? Wasn't places like Russia agreed to be kept in it? That-Vela-Fella 06:24, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
The way it stands now is libel to get further edits unless a consensus is made. As for the memo bit, that was a rhetorical question, but seems it went over Red's head. :/ That-Vela-Fella 19:53, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Japan
-
The Japanese Colonial Empire, 1895-1945 By Ramon Hawley Myers, Mark R. Peattie
-
THE LEGACY OF JAPANESE COLONIALISM
-
Becoming Japanese: Colonial Taiwan and the Politics of Identity Formation (Paperback)
-
Taiwan: A New History By Murray A. Rubinstein
Russia
-
Russian Central Asia, 1867-1917: A Study in Colonial Rule By Richard A. Pierce
-
Imperial Russia's African Colony
-
Russian Colonialism
-
Russian Colonialism, War Bounty, and Looting Colonized Peoples —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
124.180.16.98 (
talk) 15:13, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
I renamed the Unites States link American but some one reverted it. Why? It makes sense. Asterix77 11:45, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
I've read the discussion, David Barba, and I see that there's no consensus. Is there, actually? SamEV ( talk) 20:48, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
I have added USSR, because it can be concidered as an empire; and also there is an article in Wikipedia about USSR empire, so link to it shoulsd be added in template. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.130.234.2 ( talk) 10:39, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
USSR is better understood as an extension of colonial policies under the Russian czars rather than unique case, no need to double up.-- David Barba ( talk) 23:15, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Why?-- David Barba ( talk) 20:34, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
The Russian Empire right now more so concentrates on Europe, so I think it would be best to start and article called the Russian Colonial Empire. It could contain information about their attempts so colonize in Northern Asia, in Alaska and other parts of North America. Red4tribe ( talk) 19:49, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Consistency. as long as you keep changing the Portuguese flag there is non.-- SelfQ ( talk) 15:29, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
I see no problem with the current flags being used there now & it's not taking a lot of space, considering there are only a dozen of them & are symbolic to the involved nations extent. That-Vela-Fella ( talk) 13:43, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Should it be here or not? I think not. Filper01 ( Chat, My contribs) 19:30, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't these read "American", because all other nations in the template are listed by demonym. -- T.M.M. Dowd ( talk) 09:16, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
I am working on Colonies of Poland. I am not sure if it should be added to the template, since it is either planned colonies or those owned by its vassal state (and already linked as the Courland colonization). -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 19:30, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
There is a much earlier discussion above about whether to include things like the
Scottish colonization of the Americas. Since Courland is a slippery slope, after all.
The Russian equivalent of this template includes Venice and the Mongols.
Varlaam (
talk) 17:54, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Should we include Chinese and Austria-Hungary/ Habsburg Monarchy (see their colonial possessions list)? What about Ottoman Empire possessions of the same time period in Northern African and the Arabian peninsula?
I think at least Austria-Hungary should be included as its case is not very different from Sweden, Denmark, Courland, etc. "small empires". Alinor ( talk) 15:43, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
But Ottoman and China are also similar to already included countries - Japan and Russia. Alinor ( talk) 15:44, 5 October 2010 (UTC) If Turkey and China are included then others like Mongolia or Mughals should also be included . So I have included India but please someone include Mongolia as I have lack of time . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.245.160 ( talk) 04:57, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
China shouldn't included. Gz deleted ( talk) 01:53, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
I think they should be removed. They weren't really colonizers, they just inherited land from Britain really and unlike Russia, China, Ottoman etc. They weren't really world powers that had really big empires that could be considered as colonies. kuceez ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:22, 21 January 2012 (UTC).
New Zealand, Austrailia and South Africa were all still part of the British Empire and technically they were League of Nations mandates. 120.144.145.95 ( talk) 12:06, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
You really don't need to protest against their inclusion. If Ottomans and the US can be included Australia need not be left out. Practically they were independent dominions ruling themselves just with a few British symbols on their flag and the royal anthem and by annexing islands and erecting colonies, the Aussies were just making the crown proud.
P.S. = That is why I included British India as a colonial power because it controlled the Aden Settlement and issued its currency there.
What about ancient Greek and Roman colonists? See Colonies in antiquity. Timbouctou ( talk) 19:25, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
Since there have been a couple of reverts, i figured it be best to explain here. Norway had two periods of possession of colonies. The first began when it absorbed various Viking settlements in Greenland, Iceland, the Fareo islands ect in the 1200's. These areas remained colonial possessions of Norway all the way up to the treaty of Kiel in 1814, when they were ceded to Denmark. A second wave of colony building was attempted in the late 1920's and 1930's, when Norway made territorial claims over Svalbard, Eastern Greenland, Jan Mayan, Peter Island, Bouvet Island, a portion of antarctica, and the Sverdrup Islands. The claims to Eastern Greenland were dropped after international arbitration, and the claim to the Sverdrup Islands was defacto ceded to Canada after the British and Canadians recognized Norweigan soveriegnty over Jan Mayen. XavierGreen ( talk) 17:37, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
"Iceland didn't become self governing until well after its cession to Denmark"is laughable considering that the Althing is the oldest still existing parliament in the world, established around 930AD. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 04:11, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
"The colonial empires began with a race of exploration between the then most advanced maritime powers, Portugal and Spain, during the 15th century"), and Iceland wasn't a colony, but a self-governing entity in personal union with Norway. Like Norway later was in a personal union with first Denmark and then Sweden, and you wouldn't refer to Norway as a colony, would you? - Tom | Thomas.W talk 23:19, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
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Many thise "empires" such as Austria- Hungary,Coureland and sweden only had a few colonies I ddont't think thart they can be counted as colonial empires
I believe it would be beneficial to add the Courland colonization to this template but for that to happen, this flag needs to be uploaded, [1]. My computer has issues uploading images.(I really don't understand why I can download stuff and everything). Falphin 23:25, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
I added the US because they are included and discussed in the article. There is no reason not to include the US in the template. The argument "the US never had colonies or engaged in imperialism" is not valid nor true, see discussion pages of relevant article.-- David Barba ( talk) 01:10, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
- If you add the United States, add every nation that ever had colonies, like the Ottoman Empire, Persia, China, etc. The US should not be on the list because it was not imperialistic, since it is a democracy and lacks ever having an imperial government. 76.235.161.47 ( talk) 17:55, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I'll wait for your response before reverting the edit. Please use references, not just personal assertions, POVs. Thanks-- David Barba ( talk) 23:11, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I can find textbooks that say that Africans are an inferior race. Just because it is in a textbook doesn't make it true. Leftist these days have a way of redefining words when situations won't make things fit. If you look at the definition of racism pre-1960s it requires a belief in the superiority of one race over another as a qualifier. Today, this seems to have strangely changed. Prejudice has been redefined to Racist. Remember when they tried to push prejudice is bad but it went nowhere? They redefined it to racist because that goes somewhere fast. Remember the ozone thing that went no where? Now they talk of global warming? It is all the same game to them. 208.58.6.221 ( talk) 20:01, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
This template seems to be incomplete. Their needs to be a section on Belgium, Japan, Russia, and the United States. 12.220.47.145 19:42, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
The flags are too modern. At least the German one should be the flag of the German Empire, not the flag of the Federal Republic of Germany.
The flag of Italy should be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Italy_flag_1861.png, but I see that the other flags are ".svg". Is it a problem to change it, anyway?
In agreement with Falphin, above I believe Courland should be included. Sweden at its height had at most two colonies at at time. Courland had two has well. Besides, every other european colonial power is up there. Will revert once, but if revereted then we will continue on with a discussion. 12.220.94.199 23:51, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
I don't know how we would go about this but we could create a list of colonial nations page, and link it at the bottom of the template. The issue, is we would have to come up with enough countries and then write articles on them. But Courland, Austria, Australia, New Zealand, etc could be included. 12.220.94.199 22:31, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
The current flag has only been in use since 1910. While the Portugal had colonies until 1999, I'm would prefer to use one of the older flags. I personally like the usage of the flag from 1485-1495 [10] because it easy to see, and it was during Portugal's height. The disadvantage is that it was only used for 10 years. 12.220.94.199 02:00, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Any chance anyone could write an article on this? 12.220.94.199 02:23, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
The current flag
is not the state flag but the naval flag. I think the state flag should be used in this template. --
Park-j 09:46, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I have added the austrian empire to the template. If any one has any questions please go ahead. T.Hall
The Austrian Empire might be appropriate to add on. Just because it didn't have any oversea areas, dosn't mean that Bosnia, Venice, and Poland wern't colonies. Casey14 03:51, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Should Ottoman Empire to be included into the template? Zaparojdik 20:58, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Calling a religious state such as the Ottoman Empire a "colonial empire" compared to the likes of France, Spain and England is just amateurism. WP:POLICY states that other wp articles cannot be used as sources, for fairly obvious reasons. I've never seen the Ottoman Empire being cited as a colonial state, this would contradict a great deal of western historiography principles (it would consider Egypt a colonised state for starters). Can you back up this claim with sources? Thanks. I agree largely with Pavel here, quality control is very weak. Miskin 21:56, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
toward the eastern europe states same for nazi germany with vichy france and croatia as its colonies? Paris By Night 20:38, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
The Ottoman Empire and the United states have no part in the "colonial empires" list. They don't fit there under any definition of the term, especially the Ottoman Empire which was an Islamic state where citizenship was determined by religion. I'm not sure if Russia and Japan do fit the definition but I think not. As you probably know colonialism has a very specific meaning and it's not as abstract as some editors tend to think. I think those inaccuracies should be corrected on the "colonial empires" template. Miskin 21:45, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
The United States does fit. - MichiganCharms 20:33, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Colonalism
- practice of ruling nations as colonies: a policy in which a country rules other nations and develops trade for its own benefit
[12]
- The control of one nation by “transplanted” people of another nation — often a geographically distant nation that has a different culture and dominant racial or ethnic group.
- the control or governing influence of a nation over a dependent country, territory, or people.
- the system or policy by which a nation maintains or advocates such control or influence.
The United States was a colonial empire(if for a short time-considering your point of view), the Philippines was acquired during the Spanish American War. In an age of Imperialism - Americans such as President William Mckinley felt they needed join the European powers in colonial adventures in order for the United States to be taken more seriously as a power, however they were opposed by anti-imperialists by Mark Twain. The Americans fought the Filipinos during the Philippine-American War, the Philippines gained self rule in 1916, became a commonwealth in 1935 and gained full independence in 1946.
The Ottoman Empire was a colonial Empire, it ruled over Egypt and exercised influence over the barbary states of North Africa.(see Hayreddin Barbarossa, Barbary Coast, History of Ottoman Egypt, Ottoman Empire) Many Ottoman Turks settled in Europe, together with local conversions to Islam and the intermixing with local population this established the present-day Islamic population of Europe.
The Russia and the Japan were colonial empires they both exerted influence over China (see,
Relations between the Empire of Japan and the Russian Empire).
European Russians settled in Siberia, Central Asia, the Russians also established protectorates over the
Khanate of Khiva,
Emirate of Bukhara and political influence over Persia.(see
Russian Empire,
Vladivostok,
Russian conquest of Siberia)
Japan annexed Korea in 1910 and Japanese colonists were present in Korea, Manchuria, China and former German Pacific Mandates right up till the end of World War II. (see
Japanese people in North Korea,
South Pacific Mandate,
Imperial Japanese colonialism in Manchukuo,
Japanese strategic planning for the Pacific (1905-1940),
Manchukuo#Japanese population)
- —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
136.186.1.193 (
talk) 03:47, August 23, 2007 (UTC)
Basically, I just stated it. Russia never had any overseas colonies. The Ottomans and Austrians are supposedly not on this list because of that reason. Casey14 04:18, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
O.k so iv'e added Austria again. I decided that Austria needed to be included and here are 9 reasons why: -1.Austria's contribution to colonialism was no smaller then Sweden or Courland,who never posessed a great deal of colonies either.
-2.Austria was invited to the Berlin convention of 1885 to decide on the carving up of Africa surely a colonial meating?
-3.Austria was one of the great powers from 1815 until 1918 and was generally treated as such by other powers.
-4.Austria was ruled by an Emperor under the name of empire.
-5.Austria may have not planted thousands of it's people across the world or controlled oceans or trade routes but this does not disqualify it's claim to colonialism.
-6.Austria's miserable lack of colonies came from it being bullied and outperformed by powers better placed to exploit the sea and not from lack of interest.
-7.Austria's navey was still a force to be reconed with,as the so called "colonial power", Italy found out at the battle of Lissa (1866).
-8.Austria's weakness was merely geographic,it was just as politically, economically and socially advanced as the "western" colonial powers.And just as geared towards expansionism.
-9.If Courland, a small baltic duchy,that was little more then a dependancy of Poland, can be included as a colonial power for possesing a few carribean isles, then surely one of the great powers o Europe can be included for owning an indian archipeligo,some frozen islands and a cluster of chinese and indian trading post?
-T.Hall —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomas Hall ( talk • contribs) 12:32, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
What's up with all these changes going on for? Was there a memo I missed that allows a person to arbitrarily do these? Wasn't places like Russia agreed to be kept in it? That-Vela-Fella 06:24, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
The way it stands now is libel to get further edits unless a consensus is made. As for the memo bit, that was a rhetorical question, but seems it went over Red's head. :/ That-Vela-Fella 19:53, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Japan
-
The Japanese Colonial Empire, 1895-1945 By Ramon Hawley Myers, Mark R. Peattie
-
THE LEGACY OF JAPANESE COLONIALISM
-
Becoming Japanese: Colonial Taiwan and the Politics of Identity Formation (Paperback)
-
Taiwan: A New History By Murray A. Rubinstein
Russia
-
Russian Central Asia, 1867-1917: A Study in Colonial Rule By Richard A. Pierce
-
Imperial Russia's African Colony
-
Russian Colonialism
-
Russian Colonialism, War Bounty, and Looting Colonized Peoples —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
124.180.16.98 (
talk) 15:13, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
I renamed the Unites States link American but some one reverted it. Why? It makes sense. Asterix77 11:45, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
I've read the discussion, David Barba, and I see that there's no consensus. Is there, actually? SamEV ( talk) 20:48, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
I have added USSR, because it can be concidered as an empire; and also there is an article in Wikipedia about USSR empire, so link to it shoulsd be added in template. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.130.234.2 ( talk) 10:39, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
USSR is better understood as an extension of colonial policies under the Russian czars rather than unique case, no need to double up.-- David Barba ( talk) 23:15, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Why?-- David Barba ( talk) 20:34, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
The Russian Empire right now more so concentrates on Europe, so I think it would be best to start and article called the Russian Colonial Empire. It could contain information about their attempts so colonize in Northern Asia, in Alaska and other parts of North America. Red4tribe ( talk) 19:49, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Consistency. as long as you keep changing the Portuguese flag there is non.-- SelfQ ( talk) 15:29, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
I see no problem with the current flags being used there now & it's not taking a lot of space, considering there are only a dozen of them & are symbolic to the involved nations extent. That-Vela-Fella ( talk) 13:43, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Should it be here or not? I think not. Filper01 ( Chat, My contribs) 19:30, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't these read "American", because all other nations in the template are listed by demonym. -- T.M.M. Dowd ( talk) 09:16, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
I am working on Colonies of Poland. I am not sure if it should be added to the template, since it is either planned colonies or those owned by its vassal state (and already linked as the Courland colonization). -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 19:30, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
There is a much earlier discussion above about whether to include things like the
Scottish colonization of the Americas. Since Courland is a slippery slope, after all.
The Russian equivalent of this template includes Venice and the Mongols.
Varlaam (
talk) 17:54, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Should we include Chinese and Austria-Hungary/ Habsburg Monarchy (see their colonial possessions list)? What about Ottoman Empire possessions of the same time period in Northern African and the Arabian peninsula?
I think at least Austria-Hungary should be included as its case is not very different from Sweden, Denmark, Courland, etc. "small empires". Alinor ( talk) 15:43, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
But Ottoman and China are also similar to already included countries - Japan and Russia. Alinor ( talk) 15:44, 5 October 2010 (UTC) If Turkey and China are included then others like Mongolia or Mughals should also be included . So I have included India but please someone include Mongolia as I have lack of time . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.245.160 ( talk) 04:57, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
China shouldn't included. Gz deleted ( talk) 01:53, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
I think they should be removed. They weren't really colonizers, they just inherited land from Britain really and unlike Russia, China, Ottoman etc. They weren't really world powers that had really big empires that could be considered as colonies. kuceez ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:22, 21 January 2012 (UTC).
New Zealand, Austrailia and South Africa were all still part of the British Empire and technically they were League of Nations mandates. 120.144.145.95 ( talk) 12:06, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
You really don't need to protest against their inclusion. If Ottomans and the US can be included Australia need not be left out. Practically they were independent dominions ruling themselves just with a few British symbols on their flag and the royal anthem and by annexing islands and erecting colonies, the Aussies were just making the crown proud.
P.S. = That is why I included British India as a colonial power because it controlled the Aden Settlement and issued its currency there.
What about ancient Greek and Roman colonists? See Colonies in antiquity. Timbouctou ( talk) 19:25, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
Since there have been a couple of reverts, i figured it be best to explain here. Norway had two periods of possession of colonies. The first began when it absorbed various Viking settlements in Greenland, Iceland, the Fareo islands ect in the 1200's. These areas remained colonial possessions of Norway all the way up to the treaty of Kiel in 1814, when they were ceded to Denmark. A second wave of colony building was attempted in the late 1920's and 1930's, when Norway made territorial claims over Svalbard, Eastern Greenland, Jan Mayan, Peter Island, Bouvet Island, a portion of antarctica, and the Sverdrup Islands. The claims to Eastern Greenland were dropped after international arbitration, and the claim to the Sverdrup Islands was defacto ceded to Canada after the British and Canadians recognized Norweigan soveriegnty over Jan Mayen. XavierGreen ( talk) 17:37, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
"Iceland didn't become self governing until well after its cession to Denmark"is laughable considering that the Althing is the oldest still existing parliament in the world, established around 930AD. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 04:11, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
"The colonial empires began with a race of exploration between the then most advanced maritime powers, Portugal and Spain, during the 15th century"), and Iceland wasn't a colony, but a self-governing entity in personal union with Norway. Like Norway later was in a personal union with first Denmark and then Sweden, and you wouldn't refer to Norway as a colony, would you? - Tom | Thomas.W talk 23:19, 18 August 2017 (UTC)