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The West Slavic languages is a subdivision of the Slavic language group (q.v.) that includes Czech, Polish, Slovak, and Sorbian.
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Zdviham ruku k nebi a prapory at vlaji ja narodil se davno to jeste vonel svet
A deda rikal hochu to ja kdyz bejval mladej a ja mu tenkrat neveril jak bych to vratil zpet.
Byli s tatou kazdej jinde to presne podle roku mladi chce si rozbit hlavu o kamen mudrcu.
A pak jim ctyrycet let lhali a dneska lzou jak nikdy ale jak baba kazdy rano rekla hochu hlavne ze jsme zdravi.
A pak jim ctyrycet let lhali a dneska lzou jak nikdy
ale jak baba kazdy rano rekla hochu hlavne ze jsme zdravi.
Povidal basnik Sajfrt ze Majerovic holka byla tuze pekna zenska
i Gottwald za ni lez
A Zapotockejch Tonda ten bejval vzdycky smutnej co dneska o tom vite zas nesmi smi se dnes.
Driv nepustili USA dnes rusa zase nechtej jen porad naky oni
nam dirigujou svet.
A proc nam ctyrycet let lhali a dneska lzou jak nikdy ale jak baba kazdy rano rekla hochu hlavne ze jsme zdravi.
Celejch ctyrycet let lhali a dneska lzou jak nikdy ale jak baba kazdy rano rekla hochu hlavne ze jsme zdravi.
Ja nevim co si vybrat ale kdyz tak bloumam Prahou bal jsem se tech minulejch az sviral se mi dech
jenze dneska vyjdu pred barak a bojim se snad jeste vic je mesto moje nemecke a ruske ve svych zdech
A kdo krade v tyhle zemi ma se jak komunisti drive A vlady stojej opravdu prominte za prd.
A to nam ctyrycet let lhali a dneska lzou jak nikdy ale jak baba kazdy rano rekla hochu hlavne ze jsme zdravi.
Celejch ctyrycet let lhali a dneska dneska lzou jak nikdy ale jak baba kazdy rano rekla hochu hlavne ze jsme zdravi. -->
Jorge Stolfi 18:55, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)
My addition is a widely referenced trivia, e.g.: Tamaš Julian, Rusinska Književnost, Matica Srpska, Novi Sad, 1984, p.11-12 -- Compay 11:55, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Whereas Kashubian and the entire Pomeranian group are obviously separate from the Polish dialectical family, separating Silesian from it and not the other languages/dialects spoken in the territory of early Poland (and,in some cases, for a long time afterwards) can be misleading as to the relation between various members of this group. I believe that Mazovian, Masurian and other dialects spoken in the territory of early Poland should get at least the same treatment as Silesian if dialectical variations of Polish are to be included here. Now, this is not a question of wheather Silesian and other dialects/languages are part of what is considered modern day Polish or not; it's a question of putting the language family tree as it should be, i.e. of illustrating accurately internal relationships between its members. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Colddance ( talk • contribs) 22:03, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
What does the Izbicko sign have to do with West Slavic languages? -- 206.207.225.18 ( talk) 21:46, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Why is there š in "Kashubian"? Wouldn't there be also "Čech language"? What happened ;D Signed - Shian
Could someone please add in the scheme the Silesian and extinct Slovincian language. I tried but unsuccessfully. Ентусиастъ ( talk) 11:15, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
I propose making the page West Slavs a redirect to West Slavic languages. I think the meaning of "West Slavs" can easily be explained in the context of West Slavic languages, and a merger would not cause any article-size or weighting problems in West Slavic languages. In addition, I propose:
The main reasons for doing this are WP:OVERLAP, WP:REDUNDANTFORK, WP:OR and WP:SYNTH: the current content of West Slavs better fits in one of the three articles I mentioned above, and/or does not seem to be relevant in this article (see also WP:OFFTOPIC), and so it is better moved to / merged into the sections I have suggested.
Note that this merger proposal is a follow-up to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/West Slavs, which closed as a rough consensus to not delete West Slavs, but no consensus on whether it should kept as a separate article (but fixed), or rather merged into West Slavic languages; subsequent discussions about its future were to be held on the talk pages. Therefore, I would like to invite @ Furius, Joy, MirkoS18, Mzajac, Vipz, and Emenrigen: to join this discussion here about a possible merger of West Slavs into West Slavic languages. (Your participation is of course not required, but if you could bring valuable feedback and suggestions, that would be appreciated; together we can make Wikipedia better).
To make things easier, I will limit the scope of this discussion just to West Slavs for now. I will not be simultaneously proposing a merger of East Slavs into East Slavic languages, or South Slavs into South Slavic languages as I did in the AfD. (I thought it would be 'unfair' to nominate just one of the three articles, but this also made the discussion a lot more complicated, as a few people noted, so it's probably best if we take just one article at a time). I would also like to apologise for the fact that I chose the AfD as the method to have this discussion, when I should have done this as a merger proposal from the start; it was always my intention to propose to merge the pages (which I did in the nomination itself), but by nominating them for deletion via AfD, I have given the wrong impression, which has led to confusion. Sorry for that. I hope that the AfD closer and I have now cleared that up.
So if you have ideas or suggestions about what we can best do with this article, please share your thoughts below. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 14:51, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
I read the proposal and deletion request. I strongly oppose with the idea to delete/merge articles on such common terms/topics hence the reason for existence for standalone articles all these years. West Slavs article needs appropriate general expansion as terms West/East/South Slavs are not only linguistic distinctive groupings of the Slavs, but also have distinctive geographical, historical, cultural, religious and so on context and connotation which go beyond early medieval times. These are not only synonyms for Slavic language groups, and those articles on Slavic language/dialect groups are dealing in details which would be out of scope for article on relevant Slavic group of people. The only issue here is properly editing the articles on Slavic groups of people.-- Miki Filigranski ( talk) 23:29, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
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Contents of this page, before being turned into a redirect for Slavic languages:
The West Slavic languages is a subdivision of the Slavic language group (q.v.) that includes Czech, Polish, Slovak, and Sorbian.
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<!-- What is this:
Zdviham ruku k nebi a prapory at vlaji ja narodil se davno to jeste vonel svet
A deda rikal hochu to ja kdyz bejval mladej a ja mu tenkrat neveril jak bych to vratil zpet.
Byli s tatou kazdej jinde to presne podle roku mladi chce si rozbit hlavu o kamen mudrcu.
A pak jim ctyrycet let lhali a dneska lzou jak nikdy ale jak baba kazdy rano rekla hochu hlavne ze jsme zdravi.
A pak jim ctyrycet let lhali a dneska lzou jak nikdy
ale jak baba kazdy rano rekla hochu hlavne ze jsme zdravi.
Povidal basnik Sajfrt ze Majerovic holka byla tuze pekna zenska
i Gottwald za ni lez
A Zapotockejch Tonda ten bejval vzdycky smutnej co dneska o tom vite zas nesmi smi se dnes.
Driv nepustili USA dnes rusa zase nechtej jen porad naky oni
nam dirigujou svet.
A proc nam ctyrycet let lhali a dneska lzou jak nikdy ale jak baba kazdy rano rekla hochu hlavne ze jsme zdravi.
Celejch ctyrycet let lhali a dneska lzou jak nikdy ale jak baba kazdy rano rekla hochu hlavne ze jsme zdravi.
Ja nevim co si vybrat ale kdyz tak bloumam Prahou bal jsem se tech minulejch az sviral se mi dech
jenze dneska vyjdu pred barak a bojim se snad jeste vic je mesto moje nemecke a ruske ve svych zdech
A kdo krade v tyhle zemi ma se jak komunisti drive A vlady stojej opravdu prominte za prd.
A to nam ctyrycet let lhali a dneska lzou jak nikdy ale jak baba kazdy rano rekla hochu hlavne ze jsme zdravi.
Celejch ctyrycet let lhali a dneska dneska lzou jak nikdy ale jak baba kazdy rano rekla hochu hlavne ze jsme zdravi. -->
Jorge Stolfi 18:55, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)
My addition is a widely referenced trivia, e.g.: Tamaš Julian, Rusinska Književnost, Matica Srpska, Novi Sad, 1984, p.11-12 -- Compay 11:55, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Whereas Kashubian and the entire Pomeranian group are obviously separate from the Polish dialectical family, separating Silesian from it and not the other languages/dialects spoken in the territory of early Poland (and,in some cases, for a long time afterwards) can be misleading as to the relation between various members of this group. I believe that Mazovian, Masurian and other dialects spoken in the territory of early Poland should get at least the same treatment as Silesian if dialectical variations of Polish are to be included here. Now, this is not a question of wheather Silesian and other dialects/languages are part of what is considered modern day Polish or not; it's a question of putting the language family tree as it should be, i.e. of illustrating accurately internal relationships between its members. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Colddance ( talk • contribs) 22:03, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
What does the Izbicko sign have to do with West Slavic languages? -- 206.207.225.18 ( talk) 21:46, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Why is there š in "Kashubian"? Wouldn't there be also "Čech language"? What happened ;D Signed - Shian
Could someone please add in the scheme the Silesian and extinct Slovincian language. I tried but unsuccessfully. Ентусиастъ ( talk) 11:15, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
I propose making the page West Slavs a redirect to West Slavic languages. I think the meaning of "West Slavs" can easily be explained in the context of West Slavic languages, and a merger would not cause any article-size or weighting problems in West Slavic languages. In addition, I propose:
The main reasons for doing this are WP:OVERLAP, WP:REDUNDANTFORK, WP:OR and WP:SYNTH: the current content of West Slavs better fits in one of the three articles I mentioned above, and/or does not seem to be relevant in this article (see also WP:OFFTOPIC), and so it is better moved to / merged into the sections I have suggested.
Note that this merger proposal is a follow-up to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/West Slavs, which closed as a rough consensus to not delete West Slavs, but no consensus on whether it should kept as a separate article (but fixed), or rather merged into West Slavic languages; subsequent discussions about its future were to be held on the talk pages. Therefore, I would like to invite @ Furius, Joy, MirkoS18, Mzajac, Vipz, and Emenrigen: to join this discussion here about a possible merger of West Slavs into West Slavic languages. (Your participation is of course not required, but if you could bring valuable feedback and suggestions, that would be appreciated; together we can make Wikipedia better).
To make things easier, I will limit the scope of this discussion just to West Slavs for now. I will not be simultaneously proposing a merger of East Slavs into East Slavic languages, or South Slavs into South Slavic languages as I did in the AfD. (I thought it would be 'unfair' to nominate just one of the three articles, but this also made the discussion a lot more complicated, as a few people noted, so it's probably best if we take just one article at a time). I would also like to apologise for the fact that I chose the AfD as the method to have this discussion, when I should have done this as a merger proposal from the start; it was always my intention to propose to merge the pages (which I did in the nomination itself), but by nominating them for deletion via AfD, I have given the wrong impression, which has led to confusion. Sorry for that. I hope that the AfD closer and I have now cleared that up.
So if you have ideas or suggestions about what we can best do with this article, please share your thoughts below. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 14:51, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
I read the proposal and deletion request. I strongly oppose with the idea to delete/merge articles on such common terms/topics hence the reason for existence for standalone articles all these years. West Slavs article needs appropriate general expansion as terms West/East/South Slavs are not only linguistic distinctive groupings of the Slavs, but also have distinctive geographical, historical, cultural, religious and so on context and connotation which go beyond early medieval times. These are not only synonyms for Slavic language groups, and those articles on Slavic language/dialect groups are dealing in details which would be out of scope for article on relevant Slavic group of people. The only issue here is properly editing the articles on Slavic groups of people.-- Miki Filigranski ( talk) 23:29, 23 August 2022 (UTC)