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I was going to add a comment about its popularity thanks to Initial D, but then saw there was a little bit of drama over a popular culture section. This article definitely needs a mention of Initial D, as the car has become something of an icon because of it. Objections? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dashren2001 ( talk • contribs) 17:19, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Literally everyone I know who has ever heard of this car, heard of it because of Initial D. I can understand a general reluctance to clutter up articles with endless pop culture trivia, but there's a certain point where it becomes almost irresponsible not to mention certain appearances. Would a one-line pop culture section really cause any problems for anyone reading the article? I don't imagine it would, anyway. TDude695 ( talk) 20:43, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
I've moved the article to "Toyota AE86" instead of "Toyota AE86 Sprinter Trueno", it more accurately describes the content of the article. -- Jeff Lange 08:51, 14 March 2006 (GMT-7)
I've added my list of specs and year changes for North American AE86's. I'd also like to propose a name change for the article to simply "Toyota AE86" as the article deals with all AE86's, not the Japan-specific Sprinter Trueno. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeff Lange ( talk • contribs) Feburary 17, 2006
I just wanted to add some additional information about the car. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SeamusRedux ( talk • contribs) July 18, 2004
I don't like how this article likens the car to Skylines, Lancers, and the like because it _doesn't_. For a sub-200hp car it's remarkably quick, but nowhere outside of a work of fiction would it be competant stock for stock with either cars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.168.109.94 ( talk • contribs) June 9, 2005
Whoever wrote that got alot of info incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.3.146.47 ( talk • contribs) October 5, 2005
In my opinion this article needs, if not a content rewrite, than certainly a sweeping reorganization. It reads like an homage, in many areas, so NPOV is an issue, and I think readability could be inproved significantly by breaking it into sections. I'll take a crack at it, unfortunately, I can only verify factual errors as reliably as google can guide me. Fox1 18:42, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
The organization of the information seems wrong some how (mainly within the technical section).
I will rewrite and organize some of it later, I made a few small changes.
- Jeff Lange
I agree on a rewrite, why single out the other AEs before and after it (AE92, AE111, etc), if not, merge it onto Toyota Corolla. WilliRennen 18:42, 12 Jan 2006 (UTC)
This following sentence requires rewording: "The Shuichi Shigeno version differs in that its max RPM is 11,000 rpm, it has a light weight reduction (carbon fiber hood), and it is somewhat akin to the re-engined AE86 in Initial D Stage 2, Taito's Japanese Racer, Battle Gear and Genki's Shutokou Battle (1999), have the "Tuned" AE86 Trueno, that is the "Takumi Fujiwara" (the protagonist of Initial D) Trueno GT Apex AE86."
Is the italic text supposed to make sense?
These are the following bits from the Initial D real-life locations and popularity as they have some revelance to this aricle. These are the following that have now been moved in ....
I see --~~~~ in many places, and portions of the "pop culture" look extremely messy. I'll leave it to people more familar with the article before I go in and clean it up myself. -- 293.xx.xxx.xx 01:08, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Extremely badly written, in some places gibberish. -- Dustek 15:51, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
I think North American individual car specs shouldnt be listed as titles in the menu. Perhaps just have then as sub headings and then include things like JDM Levin/Kouki Sepcs / European Specs / Australia / UK... etc —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hr4lifeyo ( talk • contribs) 08:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC).
I read once in one issue somewhere in 1999 of Car magazine, that the man who also was behind the engineering side of the Altezza was also behind the AE86 and has a framed photo that said car in his office, what is his name as what was his role with both cars. Willirennen 19:22, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
That is true, I saw that in the article of the Is250 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hposda ( talk • contribs) 22:37, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Hey, my added information kept getting deleted for speculations. Those news of a new sports compact, rear-wheel drive concept from Toyota is actually in the works. News come to our magazines and car press aren't up to date and naturally lag behind that to the Japanese.
I think this article should be edited to include all trueno/levin models (ae92,ae101,ae111 etc.) The AE86 wasnt the only model. This page is also cluttered with insignificant information about the US model changes, i think should be removed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.97.220.128 ( talk) 04:52, August 20, 2007 (UTC)
a new ae86 will come —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.43.146.214 ( talk) 00:09, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't feel that this article is named properly. It should be split into separate articles for each model rather than an entire chassis. i.e. Split into Toyota Corolla, Toyota Levin, and Toyota Sprinter Trueno. Toyota AE86 should then be made a disambiguation page which includes links to those articles. Please vote on it. — Mr Grim Reaper ( talk • contribs • email), 17:00, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Please move this page to combine with the toyota sprinter, I had fair amount of trouble finding it and was amazed to find it listed under its chassis code rather than model name, they were all sprinters, levin and trueno. So why are they not listed under toyota sprinter?
http://www.driver.ie/forum/showthread.php?t=35419&highlight=carina
The above suggests the A60 Carina shares a significant amount of parts with the AE86. Could this suggest that the AE86 is more related to the A60 Carina (which was also still RWD) than the E80 Corolla/Sprinter? -- Zilog Jones ( talk) 21:22, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
when adding links be courteous and add them AFTER existing links.
i have edited some additions to reflect this. Ae86forlife ( talk) 14:56, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
i have again edited some recent additions.. have some respect Ae86forlife ( talk) 12:57, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
again, it seems some people think certain sites are exempt from this rule? (edited) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ae86forlife ( talk • contribs) 14:31, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Does this really deserve such a big section? The FT-86 is only a concept car, not a production car. It is not directly related to the AE86 except for the number in the name, being RWD in a world of FWD and fulfilling the same market niche (if it became a production car). This section also duplicates a lot of the information at Toyota FT-86 Concept and Toyota FT-86 G Sports Concept. Wouldn't a single paragraph detailing the spiritual link (ie RWD and same market niche) and with links to those 2 articles be enough? Stepho ( talk) 05:21, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
I have removed the entire external links section. All of them were fansites, forums, and non-english language sites. All sites that fit into these categories fall under the "external links normally to be avoided" category. I decided to remove the entire external links section since the "References" section has plenty of great technical links, and to discourage message forums from advertising their sites in the links section.
WP:ELNO criteria 10: "Links to ... chat or discussion forums/groups ..." 11: "Links to blogs, personal web pages and most fansites, except those written by a recognized authority"
If you wish to add one of the removed links back in, please make a case for why it does not fall under the normally-to-be-avoided criteria. If message board and/or non-english pages are posted to the external links or references section without justification, it will be removed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FANSITE#Links_normally_to_be_avoided Bdc101 ( talk) 16:18, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Every now and then someone from N.America edits the article to say that the AE85 has the 4A-C engine, the AE86 has the 4A-GE and the AE88 has the 4A-GE engine with GTS trim. But these 85/86/88 codes are taken from the N.American specific VIN - which is treated as the one and only identifier by them. However, the chassis code on the build plate on the firewall in the engine bay still says AE86 for every 80 series Corolla with a 4A series engine (4A-C, 4A-GE) - just like it does for every other country outside of America. Likewise, every single 80 Series Corolla with a 3A engine is an AE85 - no AE85 (going by chassis code, not VIN) ever had a 4A engine. Can anybody think of a good way to word this. I've got both the chassis and VIN codes for the US models but it will take some time to copy it from microfiche? Japanese models are here: AE85/86 chassis codes Stepho ( talk) 10:18, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
I've just repaired the damage after another American confused the VIN AE88 with the chassis code AE86. This image of a N.American GTS build plate might help to show where the confusion comes from:
Can anybody think of a better way to make it clear that the VIN and chassis code are different for a N.American GTS? Stepho talk
Is it possible to convert the front wheel drive gear box to a rear wheel drive set up?
HK — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.153.2.2 ( talk) 04:54, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
An anon IP has been deleting the paragraph that claims Initial D was the reason for the AE86's high resale value. The supporting reference says "The direct result of this was that cars featured in Initial D, and particularly the AE86, began climbing in price".
My own theory is that the AE86 was the last of the cheap, lightweight RWD cars. Combined with a good engine that could be upgraded to a later version (eg 20-valve), it was the last of the affordable performance Toyotas. After the 86, the FWD Corollas just didn't have the same handling. The Supra, Soarer, Cressida and Crown were just too big to be decent handlers. The GT4 (All Trac) Celica with turbo and 4WD was good but cost much more than the AE86. Leaving the AE86 to fill that niche. Comments? Stepho talk 02:32, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
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I was going to add a comment about its popularity thanks to Initial D, but then saw there was a little bit of drama over a popular culture section. This article definitely needs a mention of Initial D, as the car has become something of an icon because of it. Objections? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dashren2001 ( talk • contribs) 17:19, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Literally everyone I know who has ever heard of this car, heard of it because of Initial D. I can understand a general reluctance to clutter up articles with endless pop culture trivia, but there's a certain point where it becomes almost irresponsible not to mention certain appearances. Would a one-line pop culture section really cause any problems for anyone reading the article? I don't imagine it would, anyway. TDude695 ( talk) 20:43, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
I've moved the article to "Toyota AE86" instead of "Toyota AE86 Sprinter Trueno", it more accurately describes the content of the article. -- Jeff Lange 08:51, 14 March 2006 (GMT-7)
I've added my list of specs and year changes for North American AE86's. I'd also like to propose a name change for the article to simply "Toyota AE86" as the article deals with all AE86's, not the Japan-specific Sprinter Trueno. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeff Lange ( talk • contribs) Feburary 17, 2006
I just wanted to add some additional information about the car. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SeamusRedux ( talk • contribs) July 18, 2004
I don't like how this article likens the car to Skylines, Lancers, and the like because it _doesn't_. For a sub-200hp car it's remarkably quick, but nowhere outside of a work of fiction would it be competant stock for stock with either cars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.168.109.94 ( talk • contribs) June 9, 2005
Whoever wrote that got alot of info incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.3.146.47 ( talk • contribs) October 5, 2005
In my opinion this article needs, if not a content rewrite, than certainly a sweeping reorganization. It reads like an homage, in many areas, so NPOV is an issue, and I think readability could be inproved significantly by breaking it into sections. I'll take a crack at it, unfortunately, I can only verify factual errors as reliably as google can guide me. Fox1 18:42, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
The organization of the information seems wrong some how (mainly within the technical section).
I will rewrite and organize some of it later, I made a few small changes.
- Jeff Lange
I agree on a rewrite, why single out the other AEs before and after it (AE92, AE111, etc), if not, merge it onto Toyota Corolla. WilliRennen 18:42, 12 Jan 2006 (UTC)
This following sentence requires rewording: "The Shuichi Shigeno version differs in that its max RPM is 11,000 rpm, it has a light weight reduction (carbon fiber hood), and it is somewhat akin to the re-engined AE86 in Initial D Stage 2, Taito's Japanese Racer, Battle Gear and Genki's Shutokou Battle (1999), have the "Tuned" AE86 Trueno, that is the "Takumi Fujiwara" (the protagonist of Initial D) Trueno GT Apex AE86."
Is the italic text supposed to make sense?
These are the following bits from the Initial D real-life locations and popularity as they have some revelance to this aricle. These are the following that have now been moved in ....
I see --~~~~ in many places, and portions of the "pop culture" look extremely messy. I'll leave it to people more familar with the article before I go in and clean it up myself. -- 293.xx.xxx.xx 01:08, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Extremely badly written, in some places gibberish. -- Dustek 15:51, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
I think North American individual car specs shouldnt be listed as titles in the menu. Perhaps just have then as sub headings and then include things like JDM Levin/Kouki Sepcs / European Specs / Australia / UK... etc —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hr4lifeyo ( talk • contribs) 08:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC).
I read once in one issue somewhere in 1999 of Car magazine, that the man who also was behind the engineering side of the Altezza was also behind the AE86 and has a framed photo that said car in his office, what is his name as what was his role with both cars. Willirennen 19:22, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
That is true, I saw that in the article of the Is250 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hposda ( talk • contribs) 22:37, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Hey, my added information kept getting deleted for speculations. Those news of a new sports compact, rear-wheel drive concept from Toyota is actually in the works. News come to our magazines and car press aren't up to date and naturally lag behind that to the Japanese.
I think this article should be edited to include all trueno/levin models (ae92,ae101,ae111 etc.) The AE86 wasnt the only model. This page is also cluttered with insignificant information about the US model changes, i think should be removed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.97.220.128 ( talk) 04:52, August 20, 2007 (UTC)
a new ae86 will come —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.43.146.214 ( talk) 00:09, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't feel that this article is named properly. It should be split into separate articles for each model rather than an entire chassis. i.e. Split into Toyota Corolla, Toyota Levin, and Toyota Sprinter Trueno. Toyota AE86 should then be made a disambiguation page which includes links to those articles. Please vote on it. — Mr Grim Reaper ( talk • contribs • email), 17:00, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Please move this page to combine with the toyota sprinter, I had fair amount of trouble finding it and was amazed to find it listed under its chassis code rather than model name, they were all sprinters, levin and trueno. So why are they not listed under toyota sprinter?
http://www.driver.ie/forum/showthread.php?t=35419&highlight=carina
The above suggests the A60 Carina shares a significant amount of parts with the AE86. Could this suggest that the AE86 is more related to the A60 Carina (which was also still RWD) than the E80 Corolla/Sprinter? -- Zilog Jones ( talk) 21:22, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
when adding links be courteous and add them AFTER existing links.
i have edited some additions to reflect this. Ae86forlife ( talk) 14:56, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
i have again edited some recent additions.. have some respect Ae86forlife ( talk) 12:57, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
again, it seems some people think certain sites are exempt from this rule? (edited) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ae86forlife ( talk • contribs) 14:31, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Does this really deserve such a big section? The FT-86 is only a concept car, not a production car. It is not directly related to the AE86 except for the number in the name, being RWD in a world of FWD and fulfilling the same market niche (if it became a production car). This section also duplicates a lot of the information at Toyota FT-86 Concept and Toyota FT-86 G Sports Concept. Wouldn't a single paragraph detailing the spiritual link (ie RWD and same market niche) and with links to those 2 articles be enough? Stepho ( talk) 05:21, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
I have removed the entire external links section. All of them were fansites, forums, and non-english language sites. All sites that fit into these categories fall under the "external links normally to be avoided" category. I decided to remove the entire external links section since the "References" section has plenty of great technical links, and to discourage message forums from advertising their sites in the links section.
WP:ELNO criteria 10: "Links to ... chat or discussion forums/groups ..." 11: "Links to blogs, personal web pages and most fansites, except those written by a recognized authority"
If you wish to add one of the removed links back in, please make a case for why it does not fall under the normally-to-be-avoided criteria. If message board and/or non-english pages are posted to the external links or references section without justification, it will be removed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FANSITE#Links_normally_to_be_avoided Bdc101 ( talk) 16:18, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Every now and then someone from N.America edits the article to say that the AE85 has the 4A-C engine, the AE86 has the 4A-GE and the AE88 has the 4A-GE engine with GTS trim. But these 85/86/88 codes are taken from the N.American specific VIN - which is treated as the one and only identifier by them. However, the chassis code on the build plate on the firewall in the engine bay still says AE86 for every 80 series Corolla with a 4A series engine (4A-C, 4A-GE) - just like it does for every other country outside of America. Likewise, every single 80 Series Corolla with a 3A engine is an AE85 - no AE85 (going by chassis code, not VIN) ever had a 4A engine. Can anybody think of a good way to word this. I've got both the chassis and VIN codes for the US models but it will take some time to copy it from microfiche? Japanese models are here: AE85/86 chassis codes Stepho ( talk) 10:18, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
I've just repaired the damage after another American confused the VIN AE88 with the chassis code AE86. This image of a N.American GTS build plate might help to show where the confusion comes from:
Can anybody think of a better way to make it clear that the VIN and chassis code are different for a N.American GTS? Stepho talk
Is it possible to convert the front wheel drive gear box to a rear wheel drive set up?
HK — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.153.2.2 ( talk) 04:54, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
An anon IP has been deleting the paragraph that claims Initial D was the reason for the AE86's high resale value. The supporting reference says "The direct result of this was that cars featured in Initial D, and particularly the AE86, began climbing in price".
My own theory is that the AE86 was the last of the cheap, lightweight RWD cars. Combined with a good engine that could be upgraded to a later version (eg 20-valve), it was the last of the affordable performance Toyotas. After the 86, the FWD Corollas just didn't have the same handling. The Supra, Soarer, Cressida and Crown were just too big to be decent handlers. The GT4 (All Trac) Celica with turbo and 4WD was good but cost much more than the AE86. Leaving the AE86 to fill that niche. Comments? Stepho talk 02:32, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
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