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18 Nov. 2005 There's an interesting article at www.japanfocus.org under "Japanese Lives", article 392. "Last Words of the Tiger of Malaya, General Yamashita Tomoyuki," by Tanaka, Yuki.
Can someone please take a look at the translated version of Yamashita's last words? They seem to have been brutalized at the hand of babel fish. -- Duke Leto 14:13, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
He was working with an inferior translator on the day of his death, not the Harvard educated one he had during the trial. The actual recorded translation is even worse than the version posted here.
adding Kiangan, part of the Ifugao... seems like a little bit too much info, but i don't know if there is a better/easier way to help someone find the link to Kiangan where some day there could be more info about the surrender site. i wouldn't be at all saddened to find that the addition is deleted if anyone thinks it's too much. any ideas? -- Mumbaki 02:07, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Am I right this appelation applied to him? If not, can somebody correct it at the List of military figures by nickname & List of nicknames of historical personages? Thanks. Trekphiler 18:41, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
-- HanzoHattori 11:04, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Is that the literal translation of his statement? Seems like pretty bad engrish for a general officer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.125.53.4 ( talk) 00:05, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
This is the problem wording: "The legitimacy of the hasty trial has been called into question by many, as considerable evidence pointed to the fact that Yamashita was either not aware of the atrocities that were committed, or was unable to properly control his soldiers due to communication disruption caused by the U.S. Army during their offensive." Wiki policy does not allow unreferenced quotes attribute to "many" or "some". If there is no reference for this from a reliable source, it will get deleted. The quote is also nonsensical. In a military organization, a senior officer is responsible for the actions of subordinates. This quote would imply that the soldiers were on orders to carry out attrocities, but Yamashita was unable to revoke them.
Yamashita’s Gold is based around an urban legend in the Philippines. There should be more text written in this article if urban legends are to be included. “See Also” is misleading and vague. Jim ( talk) 13:22, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
The "pro" and "con" will be in Yamashita's gold article. There no need for non neutral link in this article. -- Flying tiger 15:34, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
This section was a copy/paste from a website editorial and not a reliable reference or source. It can be viewed here: http://www.japanfocus.org/-Yuki_TANAKA/1753 Jim ( talk) 01:27, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
The material used in the biography of Yamashita is being challenged as historically correct. The material appears to be the personal opinion of the author, and has not been subjected to any peer-review or any other rigorous requirements to meet the qualifications of being encyclopedic. Jim ( talk) 09:26, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Greetings Richard. Evidently, there is some documentation (somewhere) that Yamashita dictated something to a Buddhist Chaplain right before his execution. That material has not been sourced. Is it a fact Yamashita made those, or any quotes to a Buddhist Chaplin?
Did Yamashita really discuss nuclear weapons with the Buddhist Chaplin right before his execution? Did General Yamashita actually make this quote, right before his death: “only method to defend ourselves against atomic bombs” is “to establish nations all over the world that would never contemplate the use of such weapons.”
Attribute the text and source the facts.
I could continue with other unrealistic points of views this article brings up, or various other portions where the author speaks for Yamashita, and not quoting Yamashita. It is an editorial*, until references supporting the opinion(s) can be supplied.
Jim ( talk) 22:05, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your attention on this matter. I think the “last words” in the article now gives us a glimpse into the soul of Yamashita. I do not think we need to add more, do we? I would also like to review the source or reference that notes General Yamashita “burst into tears” when Percival refused to shake his hand.
Thanks again, Jim ( talk) 22:26, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
I discovered that the title "Harimau Malaya" or "The Tiger of Malaya" could actually belong to another person by the name of Tani Yutaka. I am currently doing a research on it. Shahrulazwad ( talk) 08:27, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
I deleted the last paragraph because it was clearly a speculative, unsupported and unattributed opinion of the author that seemed to be of a political nature.-- 98.208.37.97-- A. Renner ( talk) 19:48, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
"but he was ignored and subsequently assigned to an unimportant post in the Kwantung Army" seems a mischaracterization. The Japanese Army did not give up the idea that Russia was the real enemy until 1943 or later. An army command in Manchuria would have been considered a rather important posting, albeit one not engaged in active combat at the time. -- Yaush ( talk) 02:57, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
In the programme "Clash of Warriors" the name is pronounced "Yamashta" which one is correct? -- 37.24.13.219 ( talk) 03:15, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
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I have read a fair amount about Yamashita and have never seen him referred to as the "Beast of Bataan".
Yamashita was posted to the Philippines years after the Bataan Death March and had no other specific association with Bataan that I can find. 2400:4162:69A6:3C00:B1C6:10E7:A23D:F0F1 ( talk) 13:24, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
Made some edits to the page as it previously stated that there was no evidence Yamashita knew these crimes were being committed under his command. That's not entirely true. Prosecution presented multiple pieces of evidence and testimony which indicated that he did know they were being committed. Some of the evidence pointed toward Yamashita having implicitly or explicitly ordered the killings of civilians as part of the pacification of guerrilla resistance. Taken from Law Reports of Trials of War Criminals Vol. IV. https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/Law-Reports_Vol-4.pdf
I don't have time to give this justice but leaving the link above if anyone else can follow up on it. Jasonkwe ( talk) 19:12, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Would it be apt to include the Manila massacre in the lead. Something like
"After the war, Yamashita was tried for the Manila Massacre committed by troops under his command during the Japanese defense of the occupied Philippines in 1944"
OR
"After the war, Yamashita was tried for war crimes committed by troops under his command during the Japanese defense of the occupied Philippines in 1944" Chefs-kiss ( talk) 11:22, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
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18 Nov. 2005 There's an interesting article at www.japanfocus.org under "Japanese Lives", article 392. "Last Words of the Tiger of Malaya, General Yamashita Tomoyuki," by Tanaka, Yuki.
Can someone please take a look at the translated version of Yamashita's last words? They seem to have been brutalized at the hand of babel fish. -- Duke Leto 14:13, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
He was working with an inferior translator on the day of his death, not the Harvard educated one he had during the trial. The actual recorded translation is even worse than the version posted here.
adding Kiangan, part of the Ifugao... seems like a little bit too much info, but i don't know if there is a better/easier way to help someone find the link to Kiangan where some day there could be more info about the surrender site. i wouldn't be at all saddened to find that the addition is deleted if anyone thinks it's too much. any ideas? -- Mumbaki 02:07, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Am I right this appelation applied to him? If not, can somebody correct it at the List of military figures by nickname & List of nicknames of historical personages? Thanks. Trekphiler 18:41, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
-- HanzoHattori 11:04, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Is that the literal translation of his statement? Seems like pretty bad engrish for a general officer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.125.53.4 ( talk) 00:05, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
This is the problem wording: "The legitimacy of the hasty trial has been called into question by many, as considerable evidence pointed to the fact that Yamashita was either not aware of the atrocities that were committed, or was unable to properly control his soldiers due to communication disruption caused by the U.S. Army during their offensive." Wiki policy does not allow unreferenced quotes attribute to "many" or "some". If there is no reference for this from a reliable source, it will get deleted. The quote is also nonsensical. In a military organization, a senior officer is responsible for the actions of subordinates. This quote would imply that the soldiers were on orders to carry out attrocities, but Yamashita was unable to revoke them.
Yamashita’s Gold is based around an urban legend in the Philippines. There should be more text written in this article if urban legends are to be included. “See Also” is misleading and vague. Jim ( talk) 13:22, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
The "pro" and "con" will be in Yamashita's gold article. There no need for non neutral link in this article. -- Flying tiger 15:34, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
This section was a copy/paste from a website editorial and not a reliable reference or source. It can be viewed here: http://www.japanfocus.org/-Yuki_TANAKA/1753 Jim ( talk) 01:27, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
The material used in the biography of Yamashita is being challenged as historically correct. The material appears to be the personal opinion of the author, and has not been subjected to any peer-review or any other rigorous requirements to meet the qualifications of being encyclopedic. Jim ( talk) 09:26, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Greetings Richard. Evidently, there is some documentation (somewhere) that Yamashita dictated something to a Buddhist Chaplain right before his execution. That material has not been sourced. Is it a fact Yamashita made those, or any quotes to a Buddhist Chaplin?
Did Yamashita really discuss nuclear weapons with the Buddhist Chaplin right before his execution? Did General Yamashita actually make this quote, right before his death: “only method to defend ourselves against atomic bombs” is “to establish nations all over the world that would never contemplate the use of such weapons.”
Attribute the text and source the facts.
I could continue with other unrealistic points of views this article brings up, or various other portions where the author speaks for Yamashita, and not quoting Yamashita. It is an editorial*, until references supporting the opinion(s) can be supplied.
Jim ( talk) 22:05, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your attention on this matter. I think the “last words” in the article now gives us a glimpse into the soul of Yamashita. I do not think we need to add more, do we? I would also like to review the source or reference that notes General Yamashita “burst into tears” when Percival refused to shake his hand.
Thanks again, Jim ( talk) 22:26, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
I discovered that the title "Harimau Malaya" or "The Tiger of Malaya" could actually belong to another person by the name of Tani Yutaka. I am currently doing a research on it. Shahrulazwad ( talk) 08:27, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
I deleted the last paragraph because it was clearly a speculative, unsupported and unattributed opinion of the author that seemed to be of a political nature.-- 98.208.37.97-- A. Renner ( talk) 19:48, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
"but he was ignored and subsequently assigned to an unimportant post in the Kwantung Army" seems a mischaracterization. The Japanese Army did not give up the idea that Russia was the real enemy until 1943 or later. An army command in Manchuria would have been considered a rather important posting, albeit one not engaged in active combat at the time. -- Yaush ( talk) 02:57, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
In the programme "Clash of Warriors" the name is pronounced "Yamashta" which one is correct? -- 37.24.13.219 ( talk) 03:15, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
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I have read a fair amount about Yamashita and have never seen him referred to as the "Beast of Bataan".
Yamashita was posted to the Philippines years after the Bataan Death March and had no other specific association with Bataan that I can find. 2400:4162:69A6:3C00:B1C6:10E7:A23D:F0F1 ( talk) 13:24, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
Made some edits to the page as it previously stated that there was no evidence Yamashita knew these crimes were being committed under his command. That's not entirely true. Prosecution presented multiple pieces of evidence and testimony which indicated that he did know they were being committed. Some of the evidence pointed toward Yamashita having implicitly or explicitly ordered the killings of civilians as part of the pacification of guerrilla resistance. Taken from Law Reports of Trials of War Criminals Vol. IV. https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/Military_Law/pdf/Law-Reports_Vol-4.pdf
I don't have time to give this justice but leaving the link above if anyone else can follow up on it. Jasonkwe ( talk) 19:12, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Would it be apt to include the Manila massacre in the lead. Something like
"After the war, Yamashita was tried for the Manila Massacre committed by troops under his command during the Japanese defense of the occupied Philippines in 1944"
OR
"After the war, Yamashita was tried for war crimes committed by troops under his command during the Japanese defense of the occupied Philippines in 1944" Chefs-kiss ( talk) 11:22, 27 July 2023 (UTC)