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I engaged in Wikipedia:Be bold. This page focuses (almost) solely on East Asians, so I did the appropriate thing and I moved it. Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 19:04, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
I removed the drive-by tagging on improving references. Please discuss what sections need improving, alternatively please tag specific issues. citation needed-- Work permit ( talk) 01:39, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
I have expanded upon the existence or non-existence of Asian Americans in prime time television. King of Queens The O.C.
They are examples of Asians Americans being written off from American television screens and if the series like the O.C., which is shown in over 50 countries shows that there are no Asians in America, then that is a very unfortunate situation for Asian Americans.
Nemogbr ( talk) 19:00, 5 February 2010 (UTC) -- Nemogbr ( talk) 19:00, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Uh, what about Hawaii 5-0? Both the old and new versions had prominent Asian Americans in the cast... — Preceding
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It seems like one of the most common stereotypes about asian people is that they are poor, or inconsiderate drivers.. Although I don't want to encourage people to pass on this impression, I an article about asian stereotypes should have a section about this.. I don't have any studies or emperical evidence about the veracity of this claim.. But whether it is trueor not, it is definitely a stereotype that asian people have to deal with.
you're asking me to source a claim about a stereotype? Even if Asians were statistically the best drivers in the world, that wouldn't change the fact that the stereotype still exists. And if there is anyone reading this, who has never heard the claim that Asians were bad drivers, please speak up! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.130.25.164 ( talk) 12:35, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
At the bottom of page 11 in this PDF, this survey list some of the most frequently mentioned criticisms of asian Americans you will see "Some participants from every focus group said they (Asiam Americans) were bad drivers. Asian Americans. humorously agreed" http://www.committee100.org/publications/survey/C100survey.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.129.193.239 ( talk) 15:07, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
I agree, I actually haven't heard of any stereotypes listed here, or in any of these stereotype articles. But how can we provide a reliable source for any stereotype? C Teng [talk] 13:22, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
I remember reading a study done about the stereotype. This was in Britain.
The Japanese ended up with a bad reputation in the United States due to different driving habits, more traffic in Japanese roads. New Zealanders have the same bad reputation in Japan.
I have been searching via google and I have not found the article.
There were some forum posts back in 2005: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/non_aviation/read.main/1008315/
Asian Drivers: Good or Bad? http://www.asian-nation.org/headlines/2006/04/asian-drivers-good-or-bad/
Bad Driving May Have Genetic Basis, Study Finds. http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2009/10/bad_driving_may.php
Not on the article itself, but certainly from the comments about Asian drivers.
Nemogbr ( talk) 22:40, 25 January 2010 (UTC) -- Nemogbr ( talk) 22:40, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Is that not the whole point? The stereotype of Asians being bad drivers? It was specially used against the Japanese. This stereotype also exists in New Zealand. Japan would be more congested in comparison to New Zealand and the hypothesis would be that New Zealanders would suffer from the same driving ability or lack thereof if driving in Tokyo. At the moment, Somalis are ascribed with this stereotype. They have international licenses, but London is more congested than Somalia.
Nemogbr ( talk) 16:28, 2 February 2010 (UTC) -- Nemogbr ( talk) 16:28, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
I hear this stereotype all of the time. Someone should just make a poll on facebook or somewhere where it's anonymous about asians being bad drivers and cite the results.
Vehicle Fatality rate by Race in the United States (age adjusted per 100,000)
Native American: 29.1
White: 15.0
Black: 14.6
Hispanic: 13.4
Asian: 7.3
US Average: 14.5
Source: National Vital Statistics System 2007, CDC 2011 RiseBell ( talk) 02:51, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
I highly agree and actually recognize the fact that we Asians have been devalued and continue to be today. The slogan "Asian pride" represents our feeling of being oppressed by, of course, Caucasians, and sometimes, other races. Asian males are perceived as being weak and Asian females are perceived as being sexual with Caucasian males- well that is a spit and stomp in the face to us (what a disgrace!, as I'll add). Asian males are portrayed as not having a strong sexuality with females, and the media and television (AND HOLLYWOOD) still follow those lines. We need to fight for equality. Not physically, but in peaceful assemblies to force this knowledge upon the country. Also, our people are very strong (have you seen the Asian weightlifters?), and I mean physically, not just mentally. Psychologically, I believe that as Caucasians are becoming threatened that we have become braver, they are trying more than ever to suppress us. Speak out for Asians, and recognize that we are regular people just like everyone else.
I really agree with you that white people are feeling inadequate. After all their crimes against humanity, they still cannot compete economically. I honestly do think that anything that black people can't beat whites at, asians can. And that means all sports, patents, and fundamental advantages, economics, life span... White supremacy is a joke made by insecure 'blushing albinos'. Racism towards whites can be justified in the context of self-preservation, and hatred towards them can be considered justifyible vengeance.
I removed the following from the article because this article, per its title, only deals with Western stereotypes of Asians:
-- 71.111.194.50 ( talk) 11:25, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
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Is there a corresponding article for Africans or Hispanics? e.g. Stereotypes of Africans in the Western world? Because I can't find them, and if only one on East Asians exist, I nominate this article for deletion. -- 71.255.72.165 ( talk) 01:43, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
The stereotypes in these articles do not even hold for the majority of the people described in these articles, and the articles should be deleted due to libelous information. -- 71.255.72.165 ( talk) 02:44, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
This article appears to have a lot of synthesis in it. Please take a look at Stereotypes of African Americans for a good example of how this page should be. Eros2250 ( talk) 18:24, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
I also find it equally concerning that much of the content is supported by only one author who may or may not be considered a reliable source. This article is below Wikipedia's standards for an encyclopedia article. Eros2250 ( talk) 19:45, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
I've begun fixing some citations, to make it the sources clearer, and potentially use them for additional material. There are a couple of sources which are op-ed/opinion pieces, which is certainly not wp:rs. I left them in for now.-- Work permit ( talk) 23:16, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
I removed the following paragraph because it does not address stereotypes. I believe this paragraph should be removed because it describes several notable incidents that have occured. However, it says absolutely nothing about Western attitudes toward Asians, rather it describes emprical occurences. If the paragraph showed how these events changed the stereotype of the model minority, that would be different, but that's not what is happening in the paragraph as it exists:
-- 71.111.194.50 ( talk) 10:51, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
This link provides a whole host of information that case used to exemplify and/or critique the physical stereotype of East Asian teeth: http://ask.metafilter.com/87239/Asian-stereotype-why-the-exaggerated-front-teeth. -- 71.111.192.79 ( talk) 20:20, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
I wonder if this 19th century cartoon regarding Japan, China, and Russia reveals early stereotypes about Asians with eyeglasses (just a theory): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:China_Japan_Russia_Coree.png -- 达伟 ( talk) 17:53, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
I think it is a stereotype for Asians.-- RaymondLaser ( talk) 16:32, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
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The paragraph following the subheading "Hypersexuality" does not actually describe hypersexuality as defined by Wikipedia: Hypersexuality. I think a more appropriate heading might be "Sexual submission stereotype" or something. Thoughts? RawwrBag ( talk) 06:08, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
There should be a section on Asian American Women Stereotypes such as the "Dragon Lady" and the "China Doll." These seem to have been written in older revisions of the page, however they are now removed? Alexisnine ( talk) 20:49, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
I have added Ling Woo as the Dragonlady stereotype. As she was the only one on network television at the time, there was no one else.
Moved The World of Suzie Wong from hypersexual section and placed it on the China Doll section. I have also added Destination Tokyo and Miss Saigon as examples. Nemogbr ( talk) 23:29, 1 February 2010 (UTC) -- Nemogbr ( talk) 23:29, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
http://www.blackpast.org/?q=contributor/patton-tracey
Dr. Tracey Owens Patton is an Associate Professor of Communication in the Department of Communication and Journalism at The University of Wyoming. Her Ph.D. in Communication is from the University of Utah, while her undergraduate and master’s degrees are from Colorado State University. She has authored a number of academic articles on topics involving the interdependence between race, gender, and power and how these issues interrelate culturally and rhetorically in education, media, and speeches.
From her various writing she does have relevant data.
I will also add what Darrell Hamamoto said regarding Ling Woo.
Nemogbr ( talk) 19:30, 2 February 2010 (UTC) -- Nemogbr ( talk) 19:30, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
It looks appropriate.
Nemogbr ( talk) 02:38, 5 February 2010 (UTC) -- Nemogbr ( talk) 02:38, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
I like it too-- Work permit ( talk) 03:41, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
It has been mentioned that Madama Butterfly tends to be less used in contemporary times and Miss Saigon would be more appropriate. I'll change the title to China Doll and Miss Saigon. Hope people agree.
Nemogbr ( talk) 18:43, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Decided to add The Bitter Tea of General Yen as example of predatory behaviour on white women stereotype. Also linked 1916 film Patria.
There may be some contemporary version. Showdown in Little Tokyo perhaps?
Nemogbr ( talk) 23:41, 1 February 2010 (UTC) -- Nemogbr ( talk) 23:41, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
I was wondering why this stereotype is missing?
It does have plenty of examples in the media.
From David Carradines KungFu. Even Charlie Chan.
Chow Yun Fat in Replacement Killers Jet Li in Romeo must die
"Orientals can kick ass, but can't get a kiss."
Nemogbr ( talk) 22:43, 25 January 2010 (UTC) -- Nemogbr ( talk) 22:43, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Added entry regarding Long Duk Dong of Sixteen Candles as example of Supernerd and emasculation of Asian men.
Have to note: Long Duk Dong got the girl!! She also looked good.
Added Romeo Must Die as example of aseuxal martial artist. Romeo and Juliet adaptation, but all Jet Li got was a hug.
Nemogbr ( talk) 23:34, 1 February 2010 (UTC) -- Nemogbr ( talk) 23:34, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Joy Luck Club seems appropriate for this section. Need more data on anything else in particular about the book and film that is hostile to Asian men.
Nemogbr ( talk) 23:41, 1 February 2010 (UTC) -- Nemogbr ( talk) 23:41, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
It seems that the title of the article is stereotypes in the Western World, but the whole article is basically about stereotypes in the United States with only brief references to Canada and Australia. I don't think Europe is mentioned at all unless I missed it. Shouldn't there be more info about stereotypes in other Western countries? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.163.43.102 ( talk) 18:04, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Here's an example of stereotypical imagery of East Asians from advertising from the 1960s: http://www.atomicantiques.com/chinese-cherry.jpg . However, on balance, here is a compilation of all the figures used in the company's advertising, some of which also have "bad" looking teeth: http://www.atomicantiques.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/funny-face-fan-club.jpg. -- 达伟 ( talk) 19:58, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
How come limited english language skills was omitted I think that is a noteworthy stereotype. Dwanyewest ( talk) 15:14, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
Nemogbr ( talk) 18:38, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
The title for this article should be 'Negative Stereotypes' because it completely ignores positive stereotypes. For example, a common example of a positive Asian stereotype is that they highly value education and academic achievement.
Note the definition of stereotype:
Sociology . a simplified and standardized conception or image invested with special meaning and held in common by members of a group: The cowboy and Indian are American stereotypes.
There is nothing in the definition of stereotype that implies a positive or negative connotation. Thus when discussion purely negative or positive stereotypes, it is most accurate to use the adjective negative or positive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.29.243.101 ( talk) 14:13, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
This is an article about a book (the article isn't clear what kind of book it is). While overbearing parents is probably a stereotype that can be documented and included on this page, the references needed would be scholarly articles about that stereotype, not a book featuring characters of that stereotype, as that would be original research. We also wouldn't want to use "Tiger Mother" as a stereotype if it's a term coined by this author. Denaar ( talk) 19:48, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm an editor that has been inactive for a few months and I've had little experience writing about subjects like stereotypes or racism, but I still don't understand why Charlie Chan is featured on this page. Earl Derr Biggers first created the character (based pretty loosely on a real person called Chang Apana) because he was very upset with the racism that many Chinese people faced in his area, so he created a Chinese hero in response. Are we going to call Zorro, a "good" hispanic stereotype? That character was often played by actors not of Spanish heritage in his early films just as whites often played Charlie Chan. Also, the article doesn't even mention the Asian actors that played Chan in 1920s or the fact that Warner Oland claimed to have some Asian ancestry (Mongolian to be specific.) Plenty of Asians have even spoken out in support of the Chan films like co-star Keye Luke and Henry Lee, a famous forensic scientist. If you're going to include him in this article then you might as well include a section on the Bruce Lee "martial arts" stereotype because I've seen a lot more Asians doing martial arts in films than I have seen them solving crimes. RG ( talk) 03:34, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
"For brevity and readability the article will focus, define and henceforth use the term Asian[s] to specifically and exclusively refer to East Asians"
Inaccuracy for the sake of brevity is completely unacceptable. We need to fix this. The way this article is written supports the narrow-minded (racist) notion that Asian = East Asian. Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 22:10, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
Initial fixes have been made. [1] Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 00:22, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
I will assume good faith in relation to your comment. I think you are misunderstanding WP:UNDUE. That policy refers to parts of a given article, not between two articles. If you think Stereotypes of Hispanic and Latino Americans does not deserve to be shorter than this article, mobilize editors and improve it. Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 02:17, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
This offensive phrase, added by one editor, is unacceptable and is being removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScienceLion ( talk • contribs) 14:07, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
If one is going to talk about the opera, then one should mention its source as an American play.
If one is going to talk about "stereotypes", then one should mention that the stereotypes often are simple reflections of reality, and are not some sinister Western creation.
Varlaam ( talk) 06:46, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
This page first paragraph is all but neutral. That's a fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.51.90.101 ( talk) 17:18, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
There's an incoming link from Lallation article, which I couldn't found in this article. Perhaps somebody erased them? In that case, the incoming link should be deleted also. Bennylin ( talk) 19:20, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
The main point of this article is that stereotypes are false and unfairly harmful. Many people (including quotable sources) would disagree with this viewpoint.
Some stereotypes, specifically those about East Asians are true and "positive" such as hard-working immigrants in America, or mothers who push their children to succeed in education. And what's wrong with being law-abiding? When did that become a "negative" quality, and who thinks that way?
Some stereotypes, even if "negative", are true. At least we know that as a nation Japan allowed (or encouraged) its military to murder and rape in the mid-twentieth century. (Whether this national shame ought to adhere to other Japanese 80 years later is questionable, obviously. Let's discuss that.) -- Uncle Ed ( talk) 15:40, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Should there be a mention about how movies where Asian men do have scenes showing their sexual relationships with non-Asian partners often get poor reviews? Take the Jet Li example. In his movie The One there's a complex story about the multiverse and merging universe theory that moonlights as a typical action kungfu movie but most reviews are bad and insulting. In the movie he is married to a white woman and there are several scenes showing intimacy including the white woman speaking Chinese and wedding photos showing a Chinese wedding. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.168.122.165 ( talk) 17:10, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
The anecdotal evidence presented in the statement made by May Lee Chai is not realistic. The consumption of dog meat is pretty wide spread in places like China. Her claim that consumption of dog meat in China is "false information" is clearly biased, and completely untrue. Check Dog meat and Dog meat consumption in South Korea. Consumption of dog meat in these places is not localized to a few restaurants. The stereotype exists because the consumption of meat deemed taboo by Westerners does indeed occur quite often in East Asia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.219.79.142 ( talk) 09:56, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
^Okay but the assumption that all Asians eat dog meat is a stereotype because it is overgeneralizing the fact that some regions in Asia partake in the consumption of dog meat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.121.32.61 ( talk) 03:06, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
Does this really belong in an article specifically about stereotypes of *east* Asians? Most of Said's work on Orientalism pertains to the middle east and and south asia. This seems like something added for ideological reasons that has very little to do with the actual subject of the article.~~
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What some people don't know racial microaggresions are another form of racism that are meant to be indirect statements or questions that direct towards different ethnic people. White Americans use this method as way to discriminate non-white Americans, such as African Americans, Latino Americans, and Asian Americans. It is used as a tool to stereotype Asian Americans in a more subtle, ambiguous way. These racial microaggressions are unintentional; they are operated in a way to be unnoticeable or consciously aware of the insults. For example, one of the eight themes; Exoticization of Asian American women <ref> [2], they emphasis the idea that Asian American women are stereotyped as a very submissive women. They are being acknowledged as Lotus Blossom, Dragon Lady, or China Doll. An Asian woman have been asked by men if she knew if she can do all the sex positions that are from a pornography book. Therefore, racial microaggression is a tool, a way that White Americans can be explicit in a statement or a question and would still seem hurtful and distressing to Asian Americans. Kliu38 ( talk) 03:49, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
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In the section titled “Infantilization,” the source defending the terminology comes from a famous actor, not an academic source. The quote does not support the idea that all East Asians, young or old, are seen as babies. The quote is more of an opinion about American ideology than fact.
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The Japanese are extremely intelligent, but lost the World Word II, because the less mentally bright Caucasians, didn't stuck to one specific model of absolute world domination. The Japanese is more intelligent, but sometimes gets trapped on being analytical about something very specific, whilst the less bright Caucasian makes continuously minor mistakes which act as tests. Thus conduct global tests, statistics and analyses consciously to mimic that effect. All people make mistakes. If one cannot make a small mistake, then he or she will make a big one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:410C:2F00:25BB:C8A2:CB4B:AA5D ( talk) 22:16, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
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General consensus over whether or not this opera is racist is divided. The article mentions some arguments against the opera, but I believe we should add some defending it as well. Whenever controversies are mentioned on Wikipedia, multiple arguments are nearly always shown due to Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy.
Amadeus1928 ( talk) 22:00, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Stereotypes of Southeast Asians redirect to this page, but is not mentioned in title or having a section. Doremon764 ( talk) 03:36, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( non-admin closure) 何をしましたか? 那晚安啦。 08:03, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Stereotypes of East Asians in the United States → Stereotypes of East and Southeast Asians in the United States – The article (citations and text) extensively covers both the East and Southeast subregions of Asia as their stereotypes are largely one of the same. "Stereotypes of East and Southeast Asians in the United States" is already a redirect to the article. 114.206.44.90 ( talk) 01:03, 5 May 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 14:07, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
@ Chipmunkdavis: I see you reverted this page move. It is not appropriate to revert the consensus resulting from a formal discussion just because one of the participants (the nominator) was an unregistered user who was using a VPN (that is, was editing from an IP address that was later blocked as a VPN). While VPN addresses are automatically blocked, "legitimate users [...] may freely use proxies until those are blocked" ( WP:PROXY). Even if the IP address had been banned for "sockpuppetry" as your edit summary said, there were other participants supporting the move, so this is not appropriate WP:BLOCKEVASION revert. If you thought this closure should have been reconsidered, you should have opened a new requested-move discussion or followed the move-review process. SilverLocust 💬 21:08, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
I strongly disagree with the claim that the opera promotes the idea that Asian women exist as disposable objects for white male consumption. Yes it is true that the opera is notorious in these areas, but Pinkerton is not a sympathetic character. Amadeus1928 ( talk) 02:36, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
More insidious perhaps is the opera's enduring fantasy of Japanese women as self-sacrificing and, the helpless victims of cruel and powerful Western men.
The result of the move request was: Moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) estar8806 ( talk) ★ 20:37, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
Stereotypes of East Asian Americans in the United States →
Stereotypes of East Asians in the United States – "East Asian Americans in the United States" is a tautology.The article does not exclusively focus on stereotypes of East Asians in the U.S., but rather Americans' perspectives on East Asians as a whole. —
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To be honest, all four of the main characters show a lack of ability to socialise with most women. I don't really think that it is a stereotypical thing. And0wik! ( talk) 10:12, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
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Instead of stereotypes of east asians in united states why not stereotypes of east asians in the west? or just "stereotypes of east asians". the world is not just america Deltakun ( talk) 09:49, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
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I engaged in Wikipedia:Be bold. This page focuses (almost) solely on East Asians, so I did the appropriate thing and I moved it. Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 19:04, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
I removed the drive-by tagging on improving references. Please discuss what sections need improving, alternatively please tag specific issues. citation needed-- Work permit ( talk) 01:39, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
I have expanded upon the existence or non-existence of Asian Americans in prime time television. King of Queens The O.C.
They are examples of Asians Americans being written off from American television screens and if the series like the O.C., which is shown in over 50 countries shows that there are no Asians in America, then that is a very unfortunate situation for Asian Americans.
Nemogbr ( talk) 19:00, 5 February 2010 (UTC) -- Nemogbr ( talk) 19:00, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Uh, what about Hawaii 5-0? Both the old and new versions had prominent Asian Americans in the cast... — Preceding
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It seems like one of the most common stereotypes about asian people is that they are poor, or inconsiderate drivers.. Although I don't want to encourage people to pass on this impression, I an article about asian stereotypes should have a section about this.. I don't have any studies or emperical evidence about the veracity of this claim.. But whether it is trueor not, it is definitely a stereotype that asian people have to deal with.
you're asking me to source a claim about a stereotype? Even if Asians were statistically the best drivers in the world, that wouldn't change the fact that the stereotype still exists. And if there is anyone reading this, who has never heard the claim that Asians were bad drivers, please speak up! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.130.25.164 ( talk) 12:35, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
At the bottom of page 11 in this PDF, this survey list some of the most frequently mentioned criticisms of asian Americans you will see "Some participants from every focus group said they (Asiam Americans) were bad drivers. Asian Americans. humorously agreed" http://www.committee100.org/publications/survey/C100survey.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.129.193.239 ( talk) 15:07, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
I agree, I actually haven't heard of any stereotypes listed here, or in any of these stereotype articles. But how can we provide a reliable source for any stereotype? C Teng [talk] 13:22, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
I remember reading a study done about the stereotype. This was in Britain.
The Japanese ended up with a bad reputation in the United States due to different driving habits, more traffic in Japanese roads. New Zealanders have the same bad reputation in Japan.
I have been searching via google and I have not found the article.
There were some forum posts back in 2005: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/non_aviation/read.main/1008315/
Asian Drivers: Good or Bad? http://www.asian-nation.org/headlines/2006/04/asian-drivers-good-or-bad/
Bad Driving May Have Genetic Basis, Study Finds. http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2009/10/bad_driving_may.php
Not on the article itself, but certainly from the comments about Asian drivers.
Nemogbr ( talk) 22:40, 25 January 2010 (UTC) -- Nemogbr ( talk) 22:40, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Is that not the whole point? The stereotype of Asians being bad drivers? It was specially used against the Japanese. This stereotype also exists in New Zealand. Japan would be more congested in comparison to New Zealand and the hypothesis would be that New Zealanders would suffer from the same driving ability or lack thereof if driving in Tokyo. At the moment, Somalis are ascribed with this stereotype. They have international licenses, but London is more congested than Somalia.
Nemogbr ( talk) 16:28, 2 February 2010 (UTC) -- Nemogbr ( talk) 16:28, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
I hear this stereotype all of the time. Someone should just make a poll on facebook or somewhere where it's anonymous about asians being bad drivers and cite the results.
Vehicle Fatality rate by Race in the United States (age adjusted per 100,000)
Native American: 29.1
White: 15.0
Black: 14.6
Hispanic: 13.4
Asian: 7.3
US Average: 14.5
Source: National Vital Statistics System 2007, CDC 2011 RiseBell ( talk) 02:51, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
I highly agree and actually recognize the fact that we Asians have been devalued and continue to be today. The slogan "Asian pride" represents our feeling of being oppressed by, of course, Caucasians, and sometimes, other races. Asian males are perceived as being weak and Asian females are perceived as being sexual with Caucasian males- well that is a spit and stomp in the face to us (what a disgrace!, as I'll add). Asian males are portrayed as not having a strong sexuality with females, and the media and television (AND HOLLYWOOD) still follow those lines. We need to fight for equality. Not physically, but in peaceful assemblies to force this knowledge upon the country. Also, our people are very strong (have you seen the Asian weightlifters?), and I mean physically, not just mentally. Psychologically, I believe that as Caucasians are becoming threatened that we have become braver, they are trying more than ever to suppress us. Speak out for Asians, and recognize that we are regular people just like everyone else.
I really agree with you that white people are feeling inadequate. After all their crimes against humanity, they still cannot compete economically. I honestly do think that anything that black people can't beat whites at, asians can. And that means all sports, patents, and fundamental advantages, economics, life span... White supremacy is a joke made by insecure 'blushing albinos'. Racism towards whites can be justified in the context of self-preservation, and hatred towards them can be considered justifyible vengeance.
I removed the following from the article because this article, per its title, only deals with Western stereotypes of Asians:
-- 71.111.194.50 ( talk) 11:25, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
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Is there a corresponding article for Africans or Hispanics? e.g. Stereotypes of Africans in the Western world? Because I can't find them, and if only one on East Asians exist, I nominate this article for deletion. -- 71.255.72.165 ( talk) 01:43, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
The stereotypes in these articles do not even hold for the majority of the people described in these articles, and the articles should be deleted due to libelous information. -- 71.255.72.165 ( talk) 02:44, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
This article appears to have a lot of synthesis in it. Please take a look at Stereotypes of African Americans for a good example of how this page should be. Eros2250 ( talk) 18:24, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
I also find it equally concerning that much of the content is supported by only one author who may or may not be considered a reliable source. This article is below Wikipedia's standards for an encyclopedia article. Eros2250 ( talk) 19:45, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
I've begun fixing some citations, to make it the sources clearer, and potentially use them for additional material. There are a couple of sources which are op-ed/opinion pieces, which is certainly not wp:rs. I left them in for now.-- Work permit ( talk) 23:16, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
I removed the following paragraph because it does not address stereotypes. I believe this paragraph should be removed because it describes several notable incidents that have occured. However, it says absolutely nothing about Western attitudes toward Asians, rather it describes emprical occurences. If the paragraph showed how these events changed the stereotype of the model minority, that would be different, but that's not what is happening in the paragraph as it exists:
-- 71.111.194.50 ( talk) 10:51, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
This link provides a whole host of information that case used to exemplify and/or critique the physical stereotype of East Asian teeth: http://ask.metafilter.com/87239/Asian-stereotype-why-the-exaggerated-front-teeth. -- 71.111.192.79 ( talk) 20:20, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
I wonder if this 19th century cartoon regarding Japan, China, and Russia reveals early stereotypes about Asians with eyeglasses (just a theory): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:China_Japan_Russia_Coree.png -- 达伟 ( talk) 17:53, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
I think it is a stereotype for Asians.-- RaymondLaser ( talk) 16:32, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
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The paragraph following the subheading "Hypersexuality" does not actually describe hypersexuality as defined by Wikipedia: Hypersexuality. I think a more appropriate heading might be "Sexual submission stereotype" or something. Thoughts? RawwrBag ( talk) 06:08, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
There should be a section on Asian American Women Stereotypes such as the "Dragon Lady" and the "China Doll." These seem to have been written in older revisions of the page, however they are now removed? Alexisnine ( talk) 20:49, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
I have added Ling Woo as the Dragonlady stereotype. As she was the only one on network television at the time, there was no one else.
Moved The World of Suzie Wong from hypersexual section and placed it on the China Doll section. I have also added Destination Tokyo and Miss Saigon as examples. Nemogbr ( talk) 23:29, 1 February 2010 (UTC) -- Nemogbr ( talk) 23:29, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
http://www.blackpast.org/?q=contributor/patton-tracey
Dr. Tracey Owens Patton is an Associate Professor of Communication in the Department of Communication and Journalism at The University of Wyoming. Her Ph.D. in Communication is from the University of Utah, while her undergraduate and master’s degrees are from Colorado State University. She has authored a number of academic articles on topics involving the interdependence between race, gender, and power and how these issues interrelate culturally and rhetorically in education, media, and speeches.
From her various writing she does have relevant data.
I will also add what Darrell Hamamoto said regarding Ling Woo.
Nemogbr ( talk) 19:30, 2 February 2010 (UTC) -- Nemogbr ( talk) 19:30, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
It looks appropriate.
Nemogbr ( talk) 02:38, 5 February 2010 (UTC) -- Nemogbr ( talk) 02:38, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
I like it too-- Work permit ( talk) 03:41, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
It has been mentioned that Madama Butterfly tends to be less used in contemporary times and Miss Saigon would be more appropriate. I'll change the title to China Doll and Miss Saigon. Hope people agree.
Nemogbr ( talk) 18:43, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Decided to add The Bitter Tea of General Yen as example of predatory behaviour on white women stereotype. Also linked 1916 film Patria.
There may be some contemporary version. Showdown in Little Tokyo perhaps?
Nemogbr ( talk) 23:41, 1 February 2010 (UTC) -- Nemogbr ( talk) 23:41, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
I was wondering why this stereotype is missing?
It does have plenty of examples in the media.
From David Carradines KungFu. Even Charlie Chan.
Chow Yun Fat in Replacement Killers Jet Li in Romeo must die
"Orientals can kick ass, but can't get a kiss."
Nemogbr ( talk) 22:43, 25 January 2010 (UTC) -- Nemogbr ( talk) 22:43, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Added entry regarding Long Duk Dong of Sixteen Candles as example of Supernerd and emasculation of Asian men.
Have to note: Long Duk Dong got the girl!! She also looked good.
Added Romeo Must Die as example of aseuxal martial artist. Romeo and Juliet adaptation, but all Jet Li got was a hug.
Nemogbr ( talk) 23:34, 1 February 2010 (UTC) -- Nemogbr ( talk) 23:34, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Joy Luck Club seems appropriate for this section. Need more data on anything else in particular about the book and film that is hostile to Asian men.
Nemogbr ( talk) 23:41, 1 February 2010 (UTC) -- Nemogbr ( talk) 23:41, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
It seems that the title of the article is stereotypes in the Western World, but the whole article is basically about stereotypes in the United States with only brief references to Canada and Australia. I don't think Europe is mentioned at all unless I missed it. Shouldn't there be more info about stereotypes in other Western countries? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.163.43.102 ( talk) 18:04, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Here's an example of stereotypical imagery of East Asians from advertising from the 1960s: http://www.atomicantiques.com/chinese-cherry.jpg . However, on balance, here is a compilation of all the figures used in the company's advertising, some of which also have "bad" looking teeth: http://www.atomicantiques.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/funny-face-fan-club.jpg. -- 达伟 ( talk) 19:58, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
How come limited english language skills was omitted I think that is a noteworthy stereotype. Dwanyewest ( talk) 15:14, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
Nemogbr ( talk) 18:38, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
The title for this article should be 'Negative Stereotypes' because it completely ignores positive stereotypes. For example, a common example of a positive Asian stereotype is that they highly value education and academic achievement.
Note the definition of stereotype:
Sociology . a simplified and standardized conception or image invested with special meaning and held in common by members of a group: The cowboy and Indian are American stereotypes.
There is nothing in the definition of stereotype that implies a positive or negative connotation. Thus when discussion purely negative or positive stereotypes, it is most accurate to use the adjective negative or positive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.29.243.101 ( talk) 14:13, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
This is an article about a book (the article isn't clear what kind of book it is). While overbearing parents is probably a stereotype that can be documented and included on this page, the references needed would be scholarly articles about that stereotype, not a book featuring characters of that stereotype, as that would be original research. We also wouldn't want to use "Tiger Mother" as a stereotype if it's a term coined by this author. Denaar ( talk) 19:48, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm an editor that has been inactive for a few months and I've had little experience writing about subjects like stereotypes or racism, but I still don't understand why Charlie Chan is featured on this page. Earl Derr Biggers first created the character (based pretty loosely on a real person called Chang Apana) because he was very upset with the racism that many Chinese people faced in his area, so he created a Chinese hero in response. Are we going to call Zorro, a "good" hispanic stereotype? That character was often played by actors not of Spanish heritage in his early films just as whites often played Charlie Chan. Also, the article doesn't even mention the Asian actors that played Chan in 1920s or the fact that Warner Oland claimed to have some Asian ancestry (Mongolian to be specific.) Plenty of Asians have even spoken out in support of the Chan films like co-star Keye Luke and Henry Lee, a famous forensic scientist. If you're going to include him in this article then you might as well include a section on the Bruce Lee "martial arts" stereotype because I've seen a lot more Asians doing martial arts in films than I have seen them solving crimes. RG ( talk) 03:34, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
"For brevity and readability the article will focus, define and henceforth use the term Asian[s] to specifically and exclusively refer to East Asians"
Inaccuracy for the sake of brevity is completely unacceptable. We need to fix this. The way this article is written supports the narrow-minded (racist) notion that Asian = East Asian. Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 22:10, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
Initial fixes have been made. [1] Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 00:22, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
I will assume good faith in relation to your comment. I think you are misunderstanding WP:UNDUE. That policy refers to parts of a given article, not between two articles. If you think Stereotypes of Hispanic and Latino Americans does not deserve to be shorter than this article, mobilize editors and improve it. Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 02:17, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
This offensive phrase, added by one editor, is unacceptable and is being removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScienceLion ( talk • contribs) 14:07, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
If one is going to talk about the opera, then one should mention its source as an American play.
If one is going to talk about "stereotypes", then one should mention that the stereotypes often are simple reflections of reality, and are not some sinister Western creation.
Varlaam ( talk) 06:46, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
This page first paragraph is all but neutral. That's a fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.51.90.101 ( talk) 17:18, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
There's an incoming link from Lallation article, which I couldn't found in this article. Perhaps somebody erased them? In that case, the incoming link should be deleted also. Bennylin ( talk) 19:20, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
The main point of this article is that stereotypes are false and unfairly harmful. Many people (including quotable sources) would disagree with this viewpoint.
Some stereotypes, specifically those about East Asians are true and "positive" such as hard-working immigrants in America, or mothers who push their children to succeed in education. And what's wrong with being law-abiding? When did that become a "negative" quality, and who thinks that way?
Some stereotypes, even if "negative", are true. At least we know that as a nation Japan allowed (or encouraged) its military to murder and rape in the mid-twentieth century. (Whether this national shame ought to adhere to other Japanese 80 years later is questionable, obviously. Let's discuss that.) -- Uncle Ed ( talk) 15:40, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Should there be a mention about how movies where Asian men do have scenes showing their sexual relationships with non-Asian partners often get poor reviews? Take the Jet Li example. In his movie The One there's a complex story about the multiverse and merging universe theory that moonlights as a typical action kungfu movie but most reviews are bad and insulting. In the movie he is married to a white woman and there are several scenes showing intimacy including the white woman speaking Chinese and wedding photos showing a Chinese wedding. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.168.122.165 ( talk) 17:10, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
The anecdotal evidence presented in the statement made by May Lee Chai is not realistic. The consumption of dog meat is pretty wide spread in places like China. Her claim that consumption of dog meat in China is "false information" is clearly biased, and completely untrue. Check Dog meat and Dog meat consumption in South Korea. Consumption of dog meat in these places is not localized to a few restaurants. The stereotype exists because the consumption of meat deemed taboo by Westerners does indeed occur quite often in East Asia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.219.79.142 ( talk) 09:56, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
^Okay but the assumption that all Asians eat dog meat is a stereotype because it is overgeneralizing the fact that some regions in Asia partake in the consumption of dog meat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.121.32.61 ( talk) 03:06, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
Does this really belong in an article specifically about stereotypes of *east* Asians? Most of Said's work on Orientalism pertains to the middle east and and south asia. This seems like something added for ideological reasons that has very little to do with the actual subject of the article.~~
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What some people don't know racial microaggresions are another form of racism that are meant to be indirect statements or questions that direct towards different ethnic people. White Americans use this method as way to discriminate non-white Americans, such as African Americans, Latino Americans, and Asian Americans. It is used as a tool to stereotype Asian Americans in a more subtle, ambiguous way. These racial microaggressions are unintentional; they are operated in a way to be unnoticeable or consciously aware of the insults. For example, one of the eight themes; Exoticization of Asian American women <ref> [2], they emphasis the idea that Asian American women are stereotyped as a very submissive women. They are being acknowledged as Lotus Blossom, Dragon Lady, or China Doll. An Asian woman have been asked by men if she knew if she can do all the sex positions that are from a pornography book. Therefore, racial microaggression is a tool, a way that White Americans can be explicit in a statement or a question and would still seem hurtful and distressing to Asian Americans. Kliu38 ( talk) 03:49, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
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In the section titled “Infantilization,” the source defending the terminology comes from a famous actor, not an academic source. The quote does not support the idea that all East Asians, young or old, are seen as babies. The quote is more of an opinion about American ideology than fact.
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The Japanese are extremely intelligent, but lost the World Word II, because the less mentally bright Caucasians, didn't stuck to one specific model of absolute world domination. The Japanese is more intelligent, but sometimes gets trapped on being analytical about something very specific, whilst the less bright Caucasian makes continuously minor mistakes which act as tests. Thus conduct global tests, statistics and analyses consciously to mimic that effect. All people make mistakes. If one cannot make a small mistake, then he or she will make a big one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:410C:2F00:25BB:C8A2:CB4B:AA5D ( talk) 22:16, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
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General consensus over whether or not this opera is racist is divided. The article mentions some arguments against the opera, but I believe we should add some defending it as well. Whenever controversies are mentioned on Wikipedia, multiple arguments are nearly always shown due to Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy.
Amadeus1928 ( talk) 22:00, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Stereotypes of Southeast Asians redirect to this page, but is not mentioned in title or having a section. Doremon764 ( talk) 03:36, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( non-admin closure) 何をしましたか? 那晚安啦。 08:03, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Stereotypes of East Asians in the United States → Stereotypes of East and Southeast Asians in the United States – The article (citations and text) extensively covers both the East and Southeast subregions of Asia as their stereotypes are largely one of the same. "Stereotypes of East and Southeast Asians in the United States" is already a redirect to the article. 114.206.44.90 ( talk) 01:03, 5 May 2022 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 14:07, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
@ Chipmunkdavis: I see you reverted this page move. It is not appropriate to revert the consensus resulting from a formal discussion just because one of the participants (the nominator) was an unregistered user who was using a VPN (that is, was editing from an IP address that was later blocked as a VPN). While VPN addresses are automatically blocked, "legitimate users [...] may freely use proxies until those are blocked" ( WP:PROXY). Even if the IP address had been banned for "sockpuppetry" as your edit summary said, there were other participants supporting the move, so this is not appropriate WP:BLOCKEVASION revert. If you thought this closure should have been reconsidered, you should have opened a new requested-move discussion or followed the move-review process. SilverLocust 💬 21:08, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
I strongly disagree with the claim that the opera promotes the idea that Asian women exist as disposable objects for white male consumption. Yes it is true that the opera is notorious in these areas, but Pinkerton is not a sympathetic character. Amadeus1928 ( talk) 02:36, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
More insidious perhaps is the opera's enduring fantasy of Japanese women as self-sacrificing and, the helpless victims of cruel and powerful Western men.
The result of the move request was: Moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) estar8806 ( talk) ★ 20:37, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
Stereotypes of East Asian Americans in the United States →
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To be honest, all four of the main characters show a lack of ability to socialise with most women. I don't really think that it is a stereotypical thing. And0wik! ( talk) 10:12, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
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Instead of stereotypes of east asians in united states why not stereotypes of east asians in the west? or just "stereotypes of east asians". the world is not just america Deltakun ( talk) 09:49, 12 April 2024 (UTC)