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"As one chronicler has noted, the TV station concept gave the show the ability to parody virtually any TV genre, as well as advertising."

Is this worth noting? I wouldn't say this "ability to parody any TV genre" sets it apart in any way. SNL has the exact same ability.

Yes, but in a qualitatively different way. SNL is a "loose premise." They throw out sketches of any type and on any subject. SCTV is a tight premise -- they _are_ a TV show, and as a result, their TV and genre parodies fit into a broader framework. It's the difference between parodying a television show, and parodying a television _station,_ which then leads to parodying all of television. Eric Burns

Did NBC ever give thought to replacing Saturday Night Live with SCTV...? In c. 1983, at the height of SCTV's popularity, I remember SCTV appearing on NBC late night, but whether it was Friday or a Saturday replacement for SNL I'm not sure. However, I seem to recall NBC occasionally broadcasting SCTV on Saturday Night instead of SNL reruns. ... In any event, the 1982 - 1983 TV season not only witnessed the height of SCTV, or nearly so, but also a lull or low point for Saturday Night Live, prior to the star appearance of Eddie Murphy and the rejuvenation of SNL in the mid-1980s. ( John G. Lewis ( talk) 18:19, 21 July 2018 (UTC)) reply

Groundskeeper Willy

You do realize that the article is wrong, correct?

"According to The Simpsons’ original producer, Al Jean, the writers were in favour of a “yumpin’, yiminy” type (drawing inspiration perhaps from the Swedish chef in The Muppets). “But then someone thought it would be funnier if he was Scottish."

Not true. Listen to the DVD Commentary for Principal Charming. In it, the shows producers - INCLUDING Al Jean - say that he was just written as a generic angry janitor and Dan Castellaneta used multiple voices (Scottish, Swedish, Spanish, etc) and they simply thought the Scottish voice fit better. And, not once in the cited article does it say that Castellaneta based Willy on him. That phrase is pure speculation and we can't add every single minor influence SCTV has potentially had. And, both Dave Thomas and Dan Castellaneta did the commentary for Homer Vs. The Eighteenth Ammendment - an episode that contains Willy - and not once is Angus Crock mentioned. -- Scorpion0422 01:35, 26 October 2006 (UTC) reply


Nowhere in the information that you keep reverting is the claim made that the writers or creators of the Simpsons based the character Willie on this skit. The claim is that Castellaneta used the SCTV character as an inspiration for the way he portrays Willie. This is sourced to an interwiew with Castellaneta himself. Just because this is not mentioned by Castellaneta in the commentary of 1 episode on DVD does not make it not true. Do you have a source that contradicts this or have you just not heard this before and don't believe it? L0b0t 23:36, 26 October 2006 (UTC) reply
Alright fine. You go around deleting "useless" trivia out of random articles that you know nothing about, and yet you support this random (and false) piece of trivia that really doesn't matter. -- Scorpion0422 23:57, 26 October 2006 (UTC) reply
This is sourced to Castellaneta himself. What about this is false? L0b0t 00:15, 27 October 2006 (UTC) reply
No it doesn't. It just has an unsourced quote. Besides, the article is wrong and misquotes in several places, thus making it a bad source. -- Scorpion0422 00:19, 27 October 2006 (UTC) reply
What is unsourced it is a newpaper article? Again, do you have a source that contradicts this claim? If you do, let's see it and this will be over. L0b0t 00:51, 27 October 2006 (UTC) reply
Oh, and I love the fact that I'm being bashed on alt.tv.sctv over this. -- Scorpion0422 14:05, 31 October 2006 (UTC) reply
So, find a source that backs up your claim. L0b0t 14:20, 31 October 2006 (UTC) reply
I'm tired of fighting you on this. You very clearly have no idea what your talking about and you merely reverted my edits because I keep reverting your trivia clearing. I've listened to many DVD commentaries, I've read many Simpsons books, I've read profiles that detail exactly who each character is based on, and not once have I seen Angus Crocks name. But, I'm finished. If having that one line is so important, then keep it. -- Scorpion0422 14:24, 31 October 2006 (UTC) reply
Please, assume good faith. This has nothing whatsoever to do with any article other than this one. The information in question here is sourced, see WP:RS and WP:V, the standard here at Wikipedia is verifiability not truth. So far all you have offered as a rebuttal is your claim that you have watched The Simpsons, and read books about The Simpsons and you have not heard this information so it can't be true. I'm sorry young man that is just not good enough. Nowhere in the SCTV article is the claim being made that the character Willie is based on Angus, but rather that the characterization Mr. Castellaneta brings to the role (accent, delivery, motivation) is inspired by Angus. If you have a source that contradicts this, then by all means let's see it. I really don't understand why conforming to policy is seen as such a chore. L0b0t 15:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Newsflash: Groundskeeper Willie based on Angus Crock

Canadian National Anthem

They couldn't secure the rights for the Canadian National Anthem? Is that a joke? -- Hugo Dufort 07:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC) reply

It's not just O Canada, there's also bits of songs by Anne Murray, Joni Mitchell, Neil Young, Lorne Greene, and Stompin' Tom Connors in there. And oddly enough, in addition to these Canadian artists, a small portion of "The End" by The Beatles can be heard near the end of the anthem. -- CODOR 17:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC) reply
I'm having trouble believing O Canada isn't public domain. It's an old song. Any copyright must have expired by now. Otherwise, who owns the rights? The government? The Canadian people? Freshacconci 18:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC) reply
The song itself is in the public domain, however, they may have used a recording of it by a specific performer, who's being stingy on the rights. Just because the lyrics and music are free to use, does mean every recording of it is. -- Zanimum ( talk) 20:26, 11 April 2009 (UTC) reply

Schedule for Golden Classics 2010

Is there a schedule anywhere? Ottawahitech ( talk) 01:31, 2 February 2010 (UTC) reply


>>> and spaketh they not of yukon dan, hero of the Tundra! "yukon dan, yukon dan he's very very brave but yukon dan, yukon dan he seldom ever bathes"

Wikki - I challenge your comedy nerds to speak of this great hero of SCTV. Fighter of Bears Raper of Racoons and Speaker of harsh words to various woodland creatures known to lost WW2 Japanese submariners and feared as protector of Canada's really cold bits —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.12.188.6 ( talk) 23:26, 23 July 2010 (UTC) reply


Bob & Doug

No mention of the animated series?!?!?!? 68.167.161.182 ( talk) 00:15, 9 January 2014 (UTC) reply

online revival

Current Second City performers have a series of videos on the IMDb and YouTube collectively labeled as "SCTV." Although there doesn't seem to be any relation at all to any of the characters or performers of the original SCTV, I suppose that there is some legitimacy to use of the title, due to its direct relation to Second City. Shouldn't all of this at least be mentioned in the article? I understand that IMDb and YouTube are not considered reliable sources, so I don't know how to go about mentioning this in the article in keeping with Wikipedia guidelines -- but the content is inarguably out there, for anyone who wants to take a look. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.103.16 ( talk) 11:10, 26 February 2014 (UTC) reply

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Second City Television : The New Yorker and Vanity Fair

64.175.41.40 ( talk) 05:42, 26 January 2018 (UTC) reply

interview

64.175.41.40 ( talk) 06:42, 26 January 2018 (UTC) reply

CCCP1

Also a possible allusion to C-3PO of Star Wars? AMCKen ( talk) 20:24, 8 January 2021 (UTC) reply

Gerry Todd Show

Stated "Supers - they're coming everywhere." He was also a fan of logos. Sometimes comedy is way ahead of electronics and CNN. ItsACityOfApes ( talk) 19:27, 27 December 2022 (UTC) reply

SCTV News and The 5 Neat Guys

It has long been duly noted that Eugene Levy patterned his characterization of SCTV News co-anchor Earl Camembert upon Buffalo news anchor Irv Weinstein. But I notice there was nothing about whom Joe Flaherty modeled Floyd Robertson on. Given that he grew up in Pittsburgh, I've often wondered whether that city's veteran anchor, Bill Burns, was one of those on whom his characterization of Robertson was based.

As to the 5 Neat Guys, I wondered if they were drawing more from The Four Lads - who were Canadian, after all - plus the numbers they did being a parody of the kind of inane (and often borderline scandalous) novelties Mitch Miller foisted on the artists who recorded for Columbia Records when he was their A&R head ("Hickey on My Shoulder" and "Who Made the Egg Salad Sandwiches" sound like takeoffs on stuff like Guy Mitchell's 1952 "Feet Up (Pat Him on the Po-Po)," Doris Day's "A Guy Is a Guy," Jimmy Boyd's 1953 "(I've Got Those 'Wake Up, Seven-Thirty - Wash Your Ears, They're Dirty - Eat Your Eggs And Oatmeal - Rush To School') Blues" - and taking Ray Charles' seminal "I Got a Woman" from 1954 and having Jo Stafford record it as "I Got a Sweetie"). Wbwn ( talk) 12:55, 10 April 2023 (UTC) reply

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Untitled

"As one chronicler has noted, the TV station concept gave the show the ability to parody virtually any TV genre, as well as advertising."

Is this worth noting? I wouldn't say this "ability to parody any TV genre" sets it apart in any way. SNL has the exact same ability.

Yes, but in a qualitatively different way. SNL is a "loose premise." They throw out sketches of any type and on any subject. SCTV is a tight premise -- they _are_ a TV show, and as a result, their TV and genre parodies fit into a broader framework. It's the difference between parodying a television show, and parodying a television _station,_ which then leads to parodying all of television. Eric Burns

Did NBC ever give thought to replacing Saturday Night Live with SCTV...? In c. 1983, at the height of SCTV's popularity, I remember SCTV appearing on NBC late night, but whether it was Friday or a Saturday replacement for SNL I'm not sure. However, I seem to recall NBC occasionally broadcasting SCTV on Saturday Night instead of SNL reruns. ... In any event, the 1982 - 1983 TV season not only witnessed the height of SCTV, or nearly so, but also a lull or low point for Saturday Night Live, prior to the star appearance of Eddie Murphy and the rejuvenation of SNL in the mid-1980s. ( John G. Lewis ( talk) 18:19, 21 July 2018 (UTC)) reply

Groundskeeper Willy

You do realize that the article is wrong, correct?

"According to The Simpsons’ original producer, Al Jean, the writers were in favour of a “yumpin’, yiminy” type (drawing inspiration perhaps from the Swedish chef in The Muppets). “But then someone thought it would be funnier if he was Scottish."

Not true. Listen to the DVD Commentary for Principal Charming. In it, the shows producers - INCLUDING Al Jean - say that he was just written as a generic angry janitor and Dan Castellaneta used multiple voices (Scottish, Swedish, Spanish, etc) and they simply thought the Scottish voice fit better. And, not once in the cited article does it say that Castellaneta based Willy on him. That phrase is pure speculation and we can't add every single minor influence SCTV has potentially had. And, both Dave Thomas and Dan Castellaneta did the commentary for Homer Vs. The Eighteenth Ammendment - an episode that contains Willy - and not once is Angus Crock mentioned. -- Scorpion0422 01:35, 26 October 2006 (UTC) reply


Nowhere in the information that you keep reverting is the claim made that the writers or creators of the Simpsons based the character Willie on this skit. The claim is that Castellaneta used the SCTV character as an inspiration for the way he portrays Willie. This is sourced to an interwiew with Castellaneta himself. Just because this is not mentioned by Castellaneta in the commentary of 1 episode on DVD does not make it not true. Do you have a source that contradicts this or have you just not heard this before and don't believe it? L0b0t 23:36, 26 October 2006 (UTC) reply
Alright fine. You go around deleting "useless" trivia out of random articles that you know nothing about, and yet you support this random (and false) piece of trivia that really doesn't matter. -- Scorpion0422 23:57, 26 October 2006 (UTC) reply
This is sourced to Castellaneta himself. What about this is false? L0b0t 00:15, 27 October 2006 (UTC) reply
No it doesn't. It just has an unsourced quote. Besides, the article is wrong and misquotes in several places, thus making it a bad source. -- Scorpion0422 00:19, 27 October 2006 (UTC) reply
What is unsourced it is a newpaper article? Again, do you have a source that contradicts this claim? If you do, let's see it and this will be over. L0b0t 00:51, 27 October 2006 (UTC) reply
Oh, and I love the fact that I'm being bashed on alt.tv.sctv over this. -- Scorpion0422 14:05, 31 October 2006 (UTC) reply
So, find a source that backs up your claim. L0b0t 14:20, 31 October 2006 (UTC) reply
I'm tired of fighting you on this. You very clearly have no idea what your talking about and you merely reverted my edits because I keep reverting your trivia clearing. I've listened to many DVD commentaries, I've read many Simpsons books, I've read profiles that detail exactly who each character is based on, and not once have I seen Angus Crocks name. But, I'm finished. If having that one line is so important, then keep it. -- Scorpion0422 14:24, 31 October 2006 (UTC) reply
Please, assume good faith. This has nothing whatsoever to do with any article other than this one. The information in question here is sourced, see WP:RS and WP:V, the standard here at Wikipedia is verifiability not truth. So far all you have offered as a rebuttal is your claim that you have watched The Simpsons, and read books about The Simpsons and you have not heard this information so it can't be true. I'm sorry young man that is just not good enough. Nowhere in the SCTV article is the claim being made that the character Willie is based on Angus, but rather that the characterization Mr. Castellaneta brings to the role (accent, delivery, motivation) is inspired by Angus. If you have a source that contradicts this, then by all means let's see it. I really don't understand why conforming to policy is seen as such a chore. L0b0t 15:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Newsflash: Groundskeeper Willie based on Angus Crock

Canadian National Anthem

They couldn't secure the rights for the Canadian National Anthem? Is that a joke? -- Hugo Dufort 07:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC) reply

It's not just O Canada, there's also bits of songs by Anne Murray, Joni Mitchell, Neil Young, Lorne Greene, and Stompin' Tom Connors in there. And oddly enough, in addition to these Canadian artists, a small portion of "The End" by The Beatles can be heard near the end of the anthem. -- CODOR 17:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC) reply
I'm having trouble believing O Canada isn't public domain. It's an old song. Any copyright must have expired by now. Otherwise, who owns the rights? The government? The Canadian people? Freshacconci 18:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC) reply
The song itself is in the public domain, however, they may have used a recording of it by a specific performer, who's being stingy on the rights. Just because the lyrics and music are free to use, does mean every recording of it is. -- Zanimum ( talk) 20:26, 11 April 2009 (UTC) reply

Schedule for Golden Classics 2010

Is there a schedule anywhere? Ottawahitech ( talk) 01:31, 2 February 2010 (UTC) reply


>>> and spaketh they not of yukon dan, hero of the Tundra! "yukon dan, yukon dan he's very very brave but yukon dan, yukon dan he seldom ever bathes"

Wikki - I challenge your comedy nerds to speak of this great hero of SCTV. Fighter of Bears Raper of Racoons and Speaker of harsh words to various woodland creatures known to lost WW2 Japanese submariners and feared as protector of Canada's really cold bits —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.12.188.6 ( talk) 23:26, 23 July 2010 (UTC) reply


Bob & Doug

No mention of the animated series?!?!?!? 68.167.161.182 ( talk) 00:15, 9 January 2014 (UTC) reply

online revival

Current Second City performers have a series of videos on the IMDb and YouTube collectively labeled as "SCTV." Although there doesn't seem to be any relation at all to any of the characters or performers of the original SCTV, I suppose that there is some legitimacy to use of the title, due to its direct relation to Second City. Shouldn't all of this at least be mentioned in the article? I understand that IMDb and YouTube are not considered reliable sources, so I don't know how to go about mentioning this in the article in keeping with Wikipedia guidelines -- but the content is inarguably out there, for anyone who wants to take a look. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.103.16 ( talk) 11:10, 26 February 2014 (UTC) reply

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Second City Television : The New Yorker and Vanity Fair

64.175.41.40 ( talk) 05:42, 26 January 2018 (UTC) reply

interview

64.175.41.40 ( talk) 06:42, 26 January 2018 (UTC) reply

CCCP1

Also a possible allusion to C-3PO of Star Wars? AMCKen ( talk) 20:24, 8 January 2021 (UTC) reply

Gerry Todd Show

Stated "Supers - they're coming everywhere." He was also a fan of logos. Sometimes comedy is way ahead of electronics and CNN. ItsACityOfApes ( talk) 19:27, 27 December 2022 (UTC) reply

SCTV News and The 5 Neat Guys

It has long been duly noted that Eugene Levy patterned his characterization of SCTV News co-anchor Earl Camembert upon Buffalo news anchor Irv Weinstein. But I notice there was nothing about whom Joe Flaherty modeled Floyd Robertson on. Given that he grew up in Pittsburgh, I've often wondered whether that city's veteran anchor, Bill Burns, was one of those on whom his characterization of Robertson was based.

As to the 5 Neat Guys, I wondered if they were drawing more from The Four Lads - who were Canadian, after all - plus the numbers they did being a parody of the kind of inane (and often borderline scandalous) novelties Mitch Miller foisted on the artists who recorded for Columbia Records when he was their A&R head ("Hickey on My Shoulder" and "Who Made the Egg Salad Sandwiches" sound like takeoffs on stuff like Guy Mitchell's 1952 "Feet Up (Pat Him on the Po-Po)," Doris Day's "A Guy Is a Guy," Jimmy Boyd's 1953 "(I've Got Those 'Wake Up, Seven-Thirty - Wash Your Ears, They're Dirty - Eat Your Eggs And Oatmeal - Rush To School') Blues" - and taking Ray Charles' seminal "I Got a Woman" from 1954 and having Jo Stafford record it as "I Got a Sweetie"). Wbwn ( talk) 12:55, 10 April 2023 (UTC) reply

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