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Article is so convoluted it makes no sense. Article needs a complete overhaul, one hopefully that puts to rest the idea that "Persian" people aren't just plain old fashioned Iranians.
Norwegians don't call themselves 'Vikings' and Italians don't call themselves 'Romans'. I think I pretty much made my point.
Consider adding Afghanistan/Tajikistans Tajiks as "Persians" ===Related groups=== There are several ethnic groups and communities which are either ethnically or linguistically related to the Persian people, living predominantly in Iran, and also within Afghanistan, the Caucasus, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkey, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Oman, and the United Arab Emirates.<ref>{{cite web|year=2005|title=SociolinguistEssex X – 2005|publisher=[[Essex University]]|page=10|url=http://www.essex.ac.uk/langling/documents/slx/slx_x_programme.pdf}}</ref> to ===Related groups=== There are several ethnic groups and communities which are either ethnically or linguistically related to the Persian people, living predominantly in Iran, and also within Afghanistan, the Caucasus, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkey, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Oman, and the United Arab Emirates.<ref>{{cite web|year=2005|title=SociolinguistEssex X – 2005|publisher=[[University of Essex]]|page=10|url=http://www.essex.ac.uk/langling/documents/slx/slx_x_programme.pdf}}</ref>
Sorry, didn't work as intended. Consider changing the publisher parameter from Essex University to University of Essex
Again, it has been made a point that the Persian ethnicity does not exist in the Persian language. Instead, Persian equates to Persian speaker or "Farsi zaban". Tajiks or Persians of Afghanistan and Tajikistan identify as the same. They identify from the city they come for e.g."Herati" or "Kabuli". I want to clarify that this is indicative of this article in Persian itself. You can see that a Persian is referred to as Persian speaker an in this case Tajiks are included. فارسی
Arabic 2605:8D80:608:170:D6C:BBAB:4174:3CF4 ( talk) 02:07, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
Here is the source: [1] I had added this to the page, as it seemed to be reliable, but my edit was eventually reverted. Any comment is welcome. Ayıntaplı ( talk) 02:13, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
Persians 36-49-51 27.1-39 million
The Islamic Republic of Iran is ethnically diverse. Persians comprise only a little over half of the country's population.
Persians 36-49-51 27.1-39 million. What number there is the percentage? The second source says "a little over half" which is probably all we can say at this time too. It can't support a percentage figure, but it can support that very statement. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 17:56, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
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Persians 36-49-51 27.1-39 million
The Islamic Republic of Iran is ethnically diverse. Persians comprise only a little over half of the country's population.
Why isn't there a map for Persian/Iranian diaspora as well? I think it should have an infobox detailing their population statistics too. Firekong1 ( talk) 21:43, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
When most of them were of Bactrian, Sogdian, Khwarezmian, Kambojan etc... ancestry. I think it's not fair for Tajiks for example it would be more suitable to call them that, or even Farsiwan, or just Persian speakers or why not even Khorasanis. It's making people think of a sort of modern day Iran supremacy and neglects the distinct origin they had.
It's like these people were all Persian settlers from the actual Persis/Persia proper.
Even modern Iranian Persians are mostly descendants of various western Iranian tribes that got Persianized throughout history. 2A02:8428:809E:6701:E4ED:5B5E:1EEB:E8EB ( talk) 21:37, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
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Article is so convoluted it makes no sense. Article needs a complete overhaul, one hopefully that puts to rest the idea that "Persian" people aren't just plain old fashioned Iranians.
Norwegians don't call themselves 'Vikings' and Italians don't call themselves 'Romans'. I think I pretty much made my point.
Consider adding Afghanistan/Tajikistans Tajiks as "Persians" ===Related groups=== There are several ethnic groups and communities which are either ethnically or linguistically related to the Persian people, living predominantly in Iran, and also within Afghanistan, the Caucasus, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkey, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Oman, and the United Arab Emirates.<ref>{{cite web|year=2005|title=SociolinguistEssex X – 2005|publisher=[[Essex University]]|page=10|url=http://www.essex.ac.uk/langling/documents/slx/slx_x_programme.pdf}}</ref> to ===Related groups=== There are several ethnic groups and communities which are either ethnically or linguistically related to the Persian people, living predominantly in Iran, and also within Afghanistan, the Caucasus, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkey, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Oman, and the United Arab Emirates.<ref>{{cite web|year=2005|title=SociolinguistEssex X – 2005|publisher=[[University of Essex]]|page=10|url=http://www.essex.ac.uk/langling/documents/slx/slx_x_programme.pdf}}</ref>
Sorry, didn't work as intended. Consider changing the publisher parameter from Essex University to University of Essex
Again, it has been made a point that the Persian ethnicity does not exist in the Persian language. Instead, Persian equates to Persian speaker or "Farsi zaban". Tajiks or Persians of Afghanistan and Tajikistan identify as the same. They identify from the city they come for e.g."Herati" or "Kabuli". I want to clarify that this is indicative of this article in Persian itself. You can see that a Persian is referred to as Persian speaker an in this case Tajiks are included. فارسی
Arabic 2605:8D80:608:170:D6C:BBAB:4174:3CF4 ( talk) 02:07, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
Here is the source: [1] I had added this to the page, as it seemed to be reliable, but my edit was eventually reverted. Any comment is welcome. Ayıntaplı ( talk) 02:13, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
Persians 36-49-51 27.1-39 million
The Islamic Republic of Iran is ethnically diverse. Persians comprise only a little over half of the country's population.
Persians 36-49-51 27.1-39 million. What number there is the percentage? The second source says "a little over half" which is probably all we can say at this time too. It can't support a percentage figure, but it can support that very statement. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 17:56, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
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Persians 36-49-51 27.1-39 million
The Islamic Republic of Iran is ethnically diverse. Persians comprise only a little over half of the country's population.
Why isn't there a map for Persian/Iranian diaspora as well? I think it should have an infobox detailing their population statistics too. Firekong1 ( talk) 21:43, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
When most of them were of Bactrian, Sogdian, Khwarezmian, Kambojan etc... ancestry. I think it's not fair for Tajiks for example it would be more suitable to call them that, or even Farsiwan, or just Persian speakers or why not even Khorasanis. It's making people think of a sort of modern day Iran supremacy and neglects the distinct origin they had.
It's like these people were all Persian settlers from the actual Persis/Persia proper.
Even modern Iranian Persians are mostly descendants of various western Iranian tribes that got Persianized throughout history. 2A02:8428:809E:6701:E4ED:5B5E:1EEB:E8EB ( talk) 21:37, 5 January 2024 (UTC)