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"Moldova" should be redirected to the disambiguation page, as it is done in the case of "China" and "Macedonia". The primary meaning of the word refers to the whole region, not to the internationally recognized state.
No it's not. Both are used synonymously. The attempts to make a distinction between the different spellings is quite modern an d is not based on any given facts.
I suggest Russian editors to stop editing Moldova's website. -- Ghimpu Moldova 1 ( talk) 13:44, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
I have the right to revert to a long standing version that lasted many time. Why should I appologize for reverting to that version? -- Ghimpu Moldova 1 ( talk) 15:54, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
And by the way, which is the difference between soviet propaganda and russian propaganda. I don't get what you mean b/c I haven't noticed a difference between them. -- Ghimpu Moldova 1 ( talk) 15:56, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Jesus, Bonaparte, didn't they block your new account yet? Dahn ( talk) 10:39, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
-'was subsumed by the Soviet Union' -'Transnistria' —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghimpu Moldova 1 ( talk • contribs) 19:54, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
What is that supposed to mean? Is it still current, I see in other articles that that was the situation in Soviet Union, see this paragraph from Ukraine
Officially, there was no state language in the Soviet Union until the very end when it was proclaimed in 1989 that Russian language is the state language. Still it was implicitly understood in the hopes of minority nations that Ukrainian would be used in the Ukrainian SSR, Uzbek would be used in the Uzbek SSR, and so on. However, Russian was used in all parts of the Soviet Union and a special term, "a language of inter-ethnic communication" was coined to denote its status. In reality, Russian was in a privileged position in the USSR and was the state official language in everything but formal name—although formally all languages were held up as equal. Often the Ukrainian language was frowned upon or quietly discouraged which led to the gradual decline in its usage. Partly due to this suppression, in many parts of Ukraine, notably most urban areas of the east and south, Russian remains more widely spoken than Ukrainian.
In any case this seems to be part of the Soviet Union legislation and at most there can be some remains in legislation of some of the republics that resulted from its collapse. We should probably not use this in the infobox since there's no such concept in the English language or in the rest of the world for that matter... man with one red shoe 18:46, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
You guys have some nerves removing a sourced edit without notice : in december 2003, the parliament of Moldova stated (in Romanian/Moldovan) that Russian was the "language of inter-ethnic communication". It's no "crap", this denomination is also used in other FSU countries such as Tajikistan (where it is in the Constitution). Now I'm putting my edit back and I hope you'll read the source before thinking about reverting again. Mitch1981 ( talk) 20:38, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Is this the one the end of controversy? In Brussels on September 29, Filat became the first Moldovan leader in a decade to publicly announce abroad that his language is "Romanian." -- Disraelly ( talk) 11:17, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
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I added 'approximately 800,000 of Moldova's current 3.4 million inhabitants have already applied for Romanian citizenship' which is a fact. -- Disraelly ( talk) 10:29, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Disraelly, please stop pushing those edits, you see that you go against the consensus here, if you continue it will tantamount to trolling. I also suggest somebody starts a sockpuppet check on this account. man with one red shoe 17:06, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
I will only comment on a couple details:
You know very well that in Transnistria, the existence of an ethnic Russian diaspora had been a key component of Moscow’s interest since Tsarist and Soviet times, exaclty when emigration of ethnic Russians into Moldova was encouraged. Such policies really set a historical precedent for Russian involvement. At the same time, the diaspora was relatively small and was not identified as a particularly threatened segment of the population. Moreover, the existence of Russian speakers in Transnistria does not fully explain Moscow’s partiality towards the sub-state region; a greater number of ethnic Russians were present in other parts of Moldova. Thus, Russian support of Transnistria did not mean supporting ethnic Russians in general. Disraelly ( talk) 19:36, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Please note that the referred to article by Andrei Panici in the Global Review of Ethnopolitics was discovered as a serious case of plagiarism. The article was later removed from the homepage of the journal. For anyone who have read Charles Kings's book "The Moldovans" it is obvious that Panici copied substantial parts from King's text. Suggest the footnote is replaced by a reference to King. Chisinau2010 ( talk) 08:49, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
While I'm at it. The link to the Tismaneanu report is correct, but to refer to pages in the range of 740 when the report contains 666 pages I do not get. Footnotes need to be adjusted. Chisinau2010 ( talk) 09:17, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm finding it highly unlikely that Moldova could field an army of 150k soldiers let alone LOSE 150k soldiers in that 3 year period. Someone with sources please fact check this. Thanks. 97.85.163.245 ( talk) 19:37, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Moldova is an epicenter for human trafficking in Europe. Why is there no mention of this in the article? Erikeltic ( Talk) 04:43, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
This problem plagues all underdeveloped countries, so it is hardly correct to say that Moldova is "epicenter". I bet Russia is a much larger source of sex slaves. Logofat de Chichirez ( talk) 02:17, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
I see a slow-moving revert war is in this page about how to name the language of Moldova. Please discuss it in talk page. I do agree that the language is essentially Romanian, but the argument it's called "Romanian" in English, is dubious. First, there is such concept as synonym. Second, if term "Moldovan language" does exist in English, and even wikipedia article :-). Third, this page writes "Moldovan(Romanian)", and with a footnote, thus clearly attracting attention to a political controversy, which is good for encyclopedia. Logofat de Chichirez ( talk) 02:12, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
A lot of people are familiar with this country from Sergy Stepanov, or the "Epic Sax Guy", a Youtube and internet sensation. Should he or the music show be included in this article? 99.231.232.207 ( talk) 03:16, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
"He has been fittingly dubbed "Epic Sax Guy."" This sentence displays an nonobjective association between "epic" and pelvic thrusting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.112.4.245 ( talk) 01:14, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
The seperatist movement in Transnistria is not recognized by any country or organization in the world. The region is recognized part of Moldova's territorial integrity and sovereignty. So there really is no reason so highlight the seperatist region, it is already mentioned properly a couple times in the article. This should be correctly reflected in the map of the infobox. Neftchi ( talk) 10:09, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Honestly, this is the only reason Americans have heard of this country. Run Away is an internet meme. Hamolton ( talk) 15:30, 26 June 2011 (UTC) Sorry for the rant, delete as you wish.
This issue have been risen in the past, but I have to address it again, because the current state of the relevant Wikipedia section is too politically biased.
Why it is written that _IN CONTRAST_ Moldovan was written in Cyryllic while Romanian in Latin”. Yes, there were different alphabets for the same language, but this has just happened historically and not done by Soviets specifically to confront Romanian vs Moldavian identities, as it is written. Cyrillic alphabet is mainly used by countries which practice Orthodox Cristianity, and Cyryllic was used in Moldova since Stephen the Great (Prince of Moldavia between 1457 and 1504), so Cyrillic was always used in Chisinau. Why don’t we write on Wikipedia that the differences in alphabet were historical and religious, and not political? If you tell me that Moldovan Cyrillic was different from the Cyrillyc in Russian language, and Soviets did change Moldovan Cyrillic to be exactly like Russian Cyrillic, this was also a technical measure (alphabet/language reform) rather than a political measure. It was easier to make small adjustments in the Cyrillic alphabet to comply to the modern standards than to switch entirely to Latin. When the language evolves over centuries, so the alphabet evolves. Russia did by itself several times have made some reforms to the Cyrillic alphabet it have used for the Russian language, so why the reform of Cyrillic used for Romanian language in Moldova is considered on Wikipedia an act of opposition of Moldovan vs Romanian languages, and to promote distinct cultural identities? Maxim Masiutin ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:35, 1 August 2011 (UTC).
Human rights in Moldova are discussed in two articles: Human rights in Moldova and Human rights in Transnistria. Therefore both of them are "main" articles for subsection "Human rights". I fail to see the reason why Chipmunkdavis disagrees with this. His edit summaries are self-contradictory: he writes Transnistria is part of Moldova, and thus its human rights should be discussed in the Moldovan article and under this reason he reverts my edit which serves precisely this purpose. Logofat de Chichirez ( talk) 23:03, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Dear fellow editors, please stop making decisions based on stereotypes, and actually check the facts. In this case, the Moldovan census form had no checklist for nationality, every person could literally write in anything in field No. 7. The fact that you simply don't like certain facts is not reason enough to ignore them. Anonimu ( talk) 10:53, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
"The results of the 2004 census further underscored the successes of the Moldovanist project. The choice of ethnic self-identification in the census was highly politicized due to the presence of ‘Moldovan’ and ‘Romanian’ answer options in the census question that asked about ethnic affiliation. As the census results reported in the bottom left column of Appendix I indicate, only 2.2 percent of citizens chose to identify themselves as Romanians, while 75.8 percent stated that they were Moldovans. There were numerous allegations, somewhat supported by the Council of Europe observers, that ethnic affiliation numbers were rigged." -- http://www.policy.hu/protsyk/Publications/NationalisminMoldova.pdf
I added the reference and mentioned that there were many allegations that the numbers were influenced by census-takers. I avoided to mention that people had to choose between Moldovan and Romanian although that stands to reason even though it was a write-in field, and even though that was mentioned in the source. man with one red shoe 15:29, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
The article says "the French language occupies the principal place among the foreign languages. In 2009/10 it was told taught to 52% of schoolchildren as L1 and 7% as L2. It is followed by English having 48% and 6% respectively, and German, which was taught to 3% altogether." L1 customarily means a person's native language that they learn in the home, with L2 denoting a second language picked up in addition to the mother tongue, whether through formal education or otherwise. The meaning implied therefore is that 52% of schoolchildren are treated as if French is their mother tongue, and likewise for English with the other 48%. This would entail educated them in French and English in the same way that French and English children are, instead of these langauges being taught to them as foreign languages. Someone must have got confused somewhere. I presume these are actually percentages of children learning French and English as their L2, but then what do the L2 percentages given in the article refer to? Credulity ( talk) 19:05, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
Ladies and gentlemen, my uneducated guess is that Moldova is NOT landlocked as long as it has a 480 metres-long quay on the international Danube river and its own merchant fleet [7]. All donated by Ukraine (sigh). However, I'm not an expert on international law. Happy edits, Ukrained2012 ( talk) 21:57, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
The fact that Moldova's ecomony effectively survives on remittance from Russia that is. The current passage on "service sector" is ambiguous at best. Wishes, 93.73.20.131 ( talk) 14:46, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
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Should the the Moldovan or the Romanian language be mentioned when describing the regional variant of the country's name in the article header? Silvrous Talk 07:46, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
There are two simple facts to take care of here:
The first one is covered in the infobox directly - Article 13 of the constitution leaves no room for interpretation, and there's even a special provision that invalidates any section of any legislative act that would contradict the supreme law. The second point is explained in the second sentence of the article Moldovan language, as well as in the intro of the "Languages" section here. On top of that we have a special infobox footnote to really rub it in. I don't see how this can be "dishonest" in any way. Note that Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Montenegro articles don't go that extra mile in the infobox like we do here. -- illythr ( talk) 20:02, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
In its Declaration of Independence, the official language of the Republic of Moldova is Romanian. As pointed out both by the Romanian Academy and the Academy of the Republic of Moldova, the "Moldovan language" does not exist and it only appeared in political discussions, for rather obvious reasons, as Moldova was then part of the USSR. Furthemore, on the 5th of December 2013, the Constitutional Court of the Republic of Moldova declared that the country's official language is Romanian. This settles the issue once and for all. 141.99.211.174 ( talk) 15:44, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
In the second paragraph of this section, the descriptor 'dystrophy' is used. I suspect that the accurate translation should be muscle atrophy, however the PDF version of the "Tismăneanu Report" doesn't actually go up to pages 747 and 752 (per the citation). Could someone provide me with some help on this issue, please? -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 03:57, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
There appears to be a lot of time sensitive information in the Economy section which could do with updating. It currently reads as being all over the place in terms of what is considered to be current information and past projections: I.E. HDI figures for 2005 being discussed as if they were current; growth remaining strong in 2007. It's probably better described as 'confusing' due to citing statistical information from earlier in the century and using 2012 as 'current' for other information. I don't want to tag it for the moment, but it definitely needs a rework. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 21:20, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Considering the slow-going tug-of-war over these edits that's been going on for a couple of weeks now, I'd rather provide an extended rationale for reverting them here:
Romanians from Moldova, are eager to see the European integration issue solved as soon as possible and the Moldovans’ dream to be real European citizens to become reality.
This important dream, to become a part of the big European family again, the Moldovans started to dream ýears ago. Moldova’s future? Like Mihai Viteazul did in 1600..Moldova is Europe's "only Latin state outside the EU". What links has ever had to Russia? ..There is only 1 future: in EU with Romania united. Why not? indeed ( talk) 14:43, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
Rather than allowing the recent constitutional technicality to motivate an outbreak of nationalistic edit warring (which I've been following), for the sake of the reader it is preferable to discuss how the article should reflect this by arguing it out here on the talk page.
As there is information in the English language press, it makes sense to use these sources as a starting point. The changes and ramifications are inevitably going to be analysed in depth further down the line (it's only been a few days!), and reliable secondary sources can be introduced. This is an article, not a race against time to squeeze in as much information dedicated to individual preferences in order to establish an imaginary foothold ASAP. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 20:50, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Ignoring the law ( Constitution) is a violation Wikipedia content guidelines Neutral point of view, Identifying reliable sources. -- Лобачев Владимир ( talk) 05:24, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
The table under Languages should be Romanian (Moldovan) instead of Moldovan (Romanian) as it incorrectly implies Moldovan as an official language, when it not. Furthermore, the link points to Romanian language article so again it doesn't make sense to write it that way. Dan Cojocari ( talk) 17:21, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
"was an autonomous republic of the Ukrainian SSR, encompassing the current Moldovan territory, Transnistria."(see this edit) to Bessarabian Independence, to this and this. My thanks to Anonimu for reverting these strange, WP:POV content changes. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 05:08, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
"was an autonomous republic of the Ukrainian SSR, encompassing the current Moldovan territory, Transnistria."which was rephrased from the first paragraph of Moldavian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic article. These are facts I take from the cited course and not a POV. Maybe you should add your own edits if you are so familiar with the subject, instead of criticizing my efforts to improve an article. Dan Cojocari ( talk) 14:38, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
The paragraph is describing the independence of Bessarabia and formation of Greater Romania. The previous title said "Russian revolution and Greater Romania". There was Russian revolution is either Bessarabia or Greater Romania, so I don't see how that is an appropriate title. Dan Cojocari ( talk) 14:42, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
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User:Azxdw keeps on adding Moldovan as an official language of Moldova, contrary to the resolution no. 36 from 5 December 2013 of the Constitutional Court of Moldova that declared that article 13 of the Moldovan constitution is superseded by the Declaration of Independence, thus giving official status to the language named as "Romanian". User:Azxdw, what is your source when adding Moldovan as an official language of the Republic of Moldova? Mentatus ( talk) 15:20, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
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For the sake of clarification in the relevant paragraph, Xx236, was the German exodus prior the cession of Bessarabia and northern Bukovina or directly after? -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 05:56, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
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The introductory section says that only 11,000 tourist visits to Moldova occur each year, with a link to a 2014 web page. Following the Wiki links to the Tourism in Moldova page, we find that more than 94,000 overnight stays were recorded, and 2.85 million visits including non-overnight visits from neighboring countries such as Romania. The external link for these numbers is to a Moldovan government web site. Additional sources of data are needed to resolve the discrepancy between 11,000 and 94,000. The 11,000 number seems unreliable, coming from a private travel website that provides numbers only in multiples of 1,000. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ClarkC162 ( talk • contribs) 22:51, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
as you may have heard in the news that Moldova is going through a crises now and I would like to know how to approach this information with? Because I have changed the information on multiple pages where Igor Dodon was the past president since the courts have decided but then there is the other side to the parliament who claims he is still the president. Advice on this can help me and others out on approaching the edits of moldovan related pages.
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Andrian Candu is not the President of the Parliamnet according to the Constitutional Court. According to them the actual Parliament is dissolved and there is no any elected or interim President of the Parliament. — Preceding
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There is a moderator on Wikipedia which decided that Igor Dodon is still the president of this country. When I changed it to the actual new president, he reverted the edit to the state it was before and now the president is still listed as Igor Dodon (the old president). Before reverting an edit, make sure that the edit is 100% not based on real facts or news. LDRAGOplayz ( talk) 15:25, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
kk but that doesn't mean I vandalized the page cause the president was already chosen, those r just earlier news LDRAGOplayz ( talk) 07:17, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
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A user called Yesua Rafael Jara Alcivar has changed the map in the infobox, editing Moldova to include the Budjak. The change was made on 19 May 2021; I've reverted it. Please be cautious in case it happens again; the edit was made on Wikimedia Commons and is thus not shown on the Wikipedia article's editing history tab. That's probably why no one has noticed it for three days. Cheers! Lupishor ( talk) 10:05, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
I see a new user is heavily promoting articles authored by political scholar Ion Marandici, and now he insists adding a contentious designation in this article. While Marandici seems to be a legit scholar, adding this obviously political label to a country article as a fact is a gross violation of WP:NPOV (just like adding in Cuba's page a phrase that the country is a "state sponsor of terrorism" because some US hawks said so). As I suggested in the edit summary, this could be discussed, attributed and in a neutral way, in the article about the government(s) that supposedly have overseen a "captured state" in Moldova, unless proofs are brought forward that this label is accepted as a fact by a majority of the scholars of recent history of Moldova. Anonimu ( talk) 10:11, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
The accuracy of the map titled Polska_1386_-_1434.png has been in dispute and all corrections have been reverted by the original author who refuses any communication not in Polish. That map is entirely in Polish and may not present a neutral view (I don’t have enough knowledge of the area to make a judgement). It is also not available in SVG format. I think it would be best to remove the map from this page (which I will do), pending a review or at least a civil discussion about its merits (e.g. the same city appearing in two places with different names). ⚜ Moilleadóir ✍ 02:49, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
This is exceedingly relevant. There is NO reference to the 2022 Moldovan Refugee Crisis in the article. That's refusing to acknowledge or include a highly notable fact.
This, for self-evident reasons of high notability, should be added to the article and should be no longer reverted. See needed edit--
Chesapeake77 ( talk) 12:37, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
I'm confused.
The maps on this page indicates that various salient into Transnistria areas are under Moldovan control. If so, this would mean that Transnistria is split into two as the Moldovan areas touch the Ukraine border (specifically, the area comprising Vasilievca, Roghi, Cocieri and Corjova).
The map on this page ( https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/Naddniestrze.png) suggests that this area is itself split into three non-contiguous chunks by Transnistrian-controlled roads.
The Geography section of the main Transnistria page suggest these areas are under the control of Joint Control Commission rules, yet the page for this does not explain how this works in practice. Either side can pass through as they wish? Transnistria can use the roads but not the lands either side? How then would Moldova access these lands? The roads are neutral?
I'm confused as to how any of this work in theory or practice.
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In the map, the Transnitria zone should be marked in a light green color, like the separatist regions of Georgia. SpaceCowboy1207 ( talk) 09:17, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
The image is too provocative Deadmorozzch ( talk) 20:42, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
I'm sorry but Moldovan as ethnic group doesn't exist, and people who declare themselves Romanians which are more than 7% are the same people as Moldovans. Can you please change ethnic group label and mark both Romanian and Moldovan as Native, to not make any confusion 188.237.249.130 ( talk) 21:10, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
Moldova is a region both Romania ( west if Pruth River ) and alsi in the Republic of Moldiva (east of Pruth river ). There are parts of historic Moldova in Ukraine ( North Bukovina in Cernivsti Region and Bugeac in Odessa Region ).. Roman8ans call eastern part of Moldova as Basarabia. 5.14.154.169 ( talk) 22:20, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
The use of the generic name Moldova is an abuse when reffering to former Socialist Soviet Republic of Moldavia. The generic name should be used by the main historical region which is now in Romania. The country namwd Republic of Mokdova should be renamed Eastern Moldavia or Oriental Moldavia in order to avoid confusion. Koczka17 ( talk) 10:31, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
I agree with this proposal. I've tried in the past to do this, as a precursor to an eventual (under official Ro government managed) designation of the state as the Former Soviet Republic of Moldova, and Ultimately as the Republic of Bessarabia, in full agreement with its historical legacy as a imperialist-colonial Tsarist and Soviet entity Caliniuc ( talk) 10:45, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
In Administrative divisions, Florești Disctrict should be Florești District. I just don't know how to correct this. Thanks, Laguna CA ( talk) 00:07, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
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"Moldova" should be redirected to the disambiguation page, as it is done in the case of "China" and "Macedonia". The primary meaning of the word refers to the whole region, not to the internationally recognized state.
No it's not. Both are used synonymously. The attempts to make a distinction between the different spellings is quite modern an d is not based on any given facts.
I suggest Russian editors to stop editing Moldova's website. -- Ghimpu Moldova 1 ( talk) 13:44, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
I have the right to revert to a long standing version that lasted many time. Why should I appologize for reverting to that version? -- Ghimpu Moldova 1 ( talk) 15:54, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
And by the way, which is the difference between soviet propaganda and russian propaganda. I don't get what you mean b/c I haven't noticed a difference between them. -- Ghimpu Moldova 1 ( talk) 15:56, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Jesus, Bonaparte, didn't they block your new account yet? Dahn ( talk) 10:39, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
-'was subsumed by the Soviet Union' -'Transnistria' —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghimpu Moldova 1 ( talk • contribs) 19:54, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
What is that supposed to mean? Is it still current, I see in other articles that that was the situation in Soviet Union, see this paragraph from Ukraine
Officially, there was no state language in the Soviet Union until the very end when it was proclaimed in 1989 that Russian language is the state language. Still it was implicitly understood in the hopes of minority nations that Ukrainian would be used in the Ukrainian SSR, Uzbek would be used in the Uzbek SSR, and so on. However, Russian was used in all parts of the Soviet Union and a special term, "a language of inter-ethnic communication" was coined to denote its status. In reality, Russian was in a privileged position in the USSR and was the state official language in everything but formal name—although formally all languages were held up as equal. Often the Ukrainian language was frowned upon or quietly discouraged which led to the gradual decline in its usage. Partly due to this suppression, in many parts of Ukraine, notably most urban areas of the east and south, Russian remains more widely spoken than Ukrainian.
In any case this seems to be part of the Soviet Union legislation and at most there can be some remains in legislation of some of the republics that resulted from its collapse. We should probably not use this in the infobox since there's no such concept in the English language or in the rest of the world for that matter... man with one red shoe 18:46, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
You guys have some nerves removing a sourced edit without notice : in december 2003, the parliament of Moldova stated (in Romanian/Moldovan) that Russian was the "language of inter-ethnic communication". It's no "crap", this denomination is also used in other FSU countries such as Tajikistan (where it is in the Constitution). Now I'm putting my edit back and I hope you'll read the source before thinking about reverting again. Mitch1981 ( talk) 20:38, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Is this the one the end of controversy? In Brussels on September 29, Filat became the first Moldovan leader in a decade to publicly announce abroad that his language is "Romanian." -- Disraelly ( talk) 11:17, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
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I added 'approximately 800,000 of Moldova's current 3.4 million inhabitants have already applied for Romanian citizenship' which is a fact. -- Disraelly ( talk) 10:29, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
Disraelly, please stop pushing those edits, you see that you go against the consensus here, if you continue it will tantamount to trolling. I also suggest somebody starts a sockpuppet check on this account. man with one red shoe 17:06, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
I will only comment on a couple details:
You know very well that in Transnistria, the existence of an ethnic Russian diaspora had been a key component of Moscow’s interest since Tsarist and Soviet times, exaclty when emigration of ethnic Russians into Moldova was encouraged. Such policies really set a historical precedent for Russian involvement. At the same time, the diaspora was relatively small and was not identified as a particularly threatened segment of the population. Moreover, the existence of Russian speakers in Transnistria does not fully explain Moscow’s partiality towards the sub-state region; a greater number of ethnic Russians were present in other parts of Moldova. Thus, Russian support of Transnistria did not mean supporting ethnic Russians in general. Disraelly ( talk) 19:36, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Please note that the referred to article by Andrei Panici in the Global Review of Ethnopolitics was discovered as a serious case of plagiarism. The article was later removed from the homepage of the journal. For anyone who have read Charles Kings's book "The Moldovans" it is obvious that Panici copied substantial parts from King's text. Suggest the footnote is replaced by a reference to King. Chisinau2010 ( talk) 08:49, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
While I'm at it. The link to the Tismaneanu report is correct, but to refer to pages in the range of 740 when the report contains 666 pages I do not get. Footnotes need to be adjusted. Chisinau2010 ( talk) 09:17, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm finding it highly unlikely that Moldova could field an army of 150k soldiers let alone LOSE 150k soldiers in that 3 year period. Someone with sources please fact check this. Thanks. 97.85.163.245 ( talk) 19:37, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Moldova is an epicenter for human trafficking in Europe. Why is there no mention of this in the article? Erikeltic ( Talk) 04:43, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
This problem plagues all underdeveloped countries, so it is hardly correct to say that Moldova is "epicenter". I bet Russia is a much larger source of sex slaves. Logofat de Chichirez ( talk) 02:17, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
I see a slow-moving revert war is in this page about how to name the language of Moldova. Please discuss it in talk page. I do agree that the language is essentially Romanian, but the argument it's called "Romanian" in English, is dubious. First, there is such concept as synonym. Second, if term "Moldovan language" does exist in English, and even wikipedia article :-). Third, this page writes "Moldovan(Romanian)", and with a footnote, thus clearly attracting attention to a political controversy, which is good for encyclopedia. Logofat de Chichirez ( talk) 02:12, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
A lot of people are familiar with this country from Sergy Stepanov, or the "Epic Sax Guy", a Youtube and internet sensation. Should he or the music show be included in this article? 99.231.232.207 ( talk) 03:16, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
"He has been fittingly dubbed "Epic Sax Guy."" This sentence displays an nonobjective association between "epic" and pelvic thrusting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.112.4.245 ( talk) 01:14, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
The seperatist movement in Transnistria is not recognized by any country or organization in the world. The region is recognized part of Moldova's territorial integrity and sovereignty. So there really is no reason so highlight the seperatist region, it is already mentioned properly a couple times in the article. This should be correctly reflected in the map of the infobox. Neftchi ( talk) 10:09, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Honestly, this is the only reason Americans have heard of this country. Run Away is an internet meme. Hamolton ( talk) 15:30, 26 June 2011 (UTC) Sorry for the rant, delete as you wish.
This issue have been risen in the past, but I have to address it again, because the current state of the relevant Wikipedia section is too politically biased.
Why it is written that _IN CONTRAST_ Moldovan was written in Cyryllic while Romanian in Latin”. Yes, there were different alphabets for the same language, but this has just happened historically and not done by Soviets specifically to confront Romanian vs Moldavian identities, as it is written. Cyrillic alphabet is mainly used by countries which practice Orthodox Cristianity, and Cyryllic was used in Moldova since Stephen the Great (Prince of Moldavia between 1457 and 1504), so Cyrillic was always used in Chisinau. Why don’t we write on Wikipedia that the differences in alphabet were historical and religious, and not political? If you tell me that Moldovan Cyrillic was different from the Cyrillyc in Russian language, and Soviets did change Moldovan Cyrillic to be exactly like Russian Cyrillic, this was also a technical measure (alphabet/language reform) rather than a political measure. It was easier to make small adjustments in the Cyrillic alphabet to comply to the modern standards than to switch entirely to Latin. When the language evolves over centuries, so the alphabet evolves. Russia did by itself several times have made some reforms to the Cyrillic alphabet it have used for the Russian language, so why the reform of Cyrillic used for Romanian language in Moldova is considered on Wikipedia an act of opposition of Moldovan vs Romanian languages, and to promote distinct cultural identities? Maxim Masiutin ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:35, 1 August 2011 (UTC).
Human rights in Moldova are discussed in two articles: Human rights in Moldova and Human rights in Transnistria. Therefore both of them are "main" articles for subsection "Human rights". I fail to see the reason why Chipmunkdavis disagrees with this. His edit summaries are self-contradictory: he writes Transnistria is part of Moldova, and thus its human rights should be discussed in the Moldovan article and under this reason he reverts my edit which serves precisely this purpose. Logofat de Chichirez ( talk) 23:03, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Dear fellow editors, please stop making decisions based on stereotypes, and actually check the facts. In this case, the Moldovan census form had no checklist for nationality, every person could literally write in anything in field No. 7. The fact that you simply don't like certain facts is not reason enough to ignore them. Anonimu ( talk) 10:53, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
"The results of the 2004 census further underscored the successes of the Moldovanist project. The choice of ethnic self-identification in the census was highly politicized due to the presence of ‘Moldovan’ and ‘Romanian’ answer options in the census question that asked about ethnic affiliation. As the census results reported in the bottom left column of Appendix I indicate, only 2.2 percent of citizens chose to identify themselves as Romanians, while 75.8 percent stated that they were Moldovans. There were numerous allegations, somewhat supported by the Council of Europe observers, that ethnic affiliation numbers were rigged." -- http://www.policy.hu/protsyk/Publications/NationalisminMoldova.pdf
I added the reference and mentioned that there were many allegations that the numbers were influenced by census-takers. I avoided to mention that people had to choose between Moldovan and Romanian although that stands to reason even though it was a write-in field, and even though that was mentioned in the source. man with one red shoe 15:29, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
The article says "the French language occupies the principal place among the foreign languages. In 2009/10 it was told taught to 52% of schoolchildren as L1 and 7% as L2. It is followed by English having 48% and 6% respectively, and German, which was taught to 3% altogether." L1 customarily means a person's native language that they learn in the home, with L2 denoting a second language picked up in addition to the mother tongue, whether through formal education or otherwise. The meaning implied therefore is that 52% of schoolchildren are treated as if French is their mother tongue, and likewise for English with the other 48%. This would entail educated them in French and English in the same way that French and English children are, instead of these langauges being taught to them as foreign languages. Someone must have got confused somewhere. I presume these are actually percentages of children learning French and English as their L2, but then what do the L2 percentages given in the article refer to? Credulity ( talk) 19:05, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
Ladies and gentlemen, my uneducated guess is that Moldova is NOT landlocked as long as it has a 480 metres-long quay on the international Danube river and its own merchant fleet [7]. All donated by Ukraine (sigh). However, I'm not an expert on international law. Happy edits, Ukrained2012 ( talk) 21:57, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
The fact that Moldova's ecomony effectively survives on remittance from Russia that is. The current passage on "service sector" is ambiguous at best. Wishes, 93.73.20.131 ( talk) 14:46, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
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Should the the Moldovan or the Romanian language be mentioned when describing the regional variant of the country's name in the article header? Silvrous Talk 07:46, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
There are two simple facts to take care of here:
The first one is covered in the infobox directly - Article 13 of the constitution leaves no room for interpretation, and there's even a special provision that invalidates any section of any legislative act that would contradict the supreme law. The second point is explained in the second sentence of the article Moldovan language, as well as in the intro of the "Languages" section here. On top of that we have a special infobox footnote to really rub it in. I don't see how this can be "dishonest" in any way. Note that Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Montenegro articles don't go that extra mile in the infobox like we do here. -- illythr ( talk) 20:02, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
In its Declaration of Independence, the official language of the Republic of Moldova is Romanian. As pointed out both by the Romanian Academy and the Academy of the Republic of Moldova, the "Moldovan language" does not exist and it only appeared in political discussions, for rather obvious reasons, as Moldova was then part of the USSR. Furthemore, on the 5th of December 2013, the Constitutional Court of the Republic of Moldova declared that the country's official language is Romanian. This settles the issue once and for all. 141.99.211.174 ( talk) 15:44, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
In the second paragraph of this section, the descriptor 'dystrophy' is used. I suspect that the accurate translation should be muscle atrophy, however the PDF version of the "Tismăneanu Report" doesn't actually go up to pages 747 and 752 (per the citation). Could someone provide me with some help on this issue, please? -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 03:57, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
There appears to be a lot of time sensitive information in the Economy section which could do with updating. It currently reads as being all over the place in terms of what is considered to be current information and past projections: I.E. HDI figures for 2005 being discussed as if they were current; growth remaining strong in 2007. It's probably better described as 'confusing' due to citing statistical information from earlier in the century and using 2012 as 'current' for other information. I don't want to tag it for the moment, but it definitely needs a rework. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 21:20, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Considering the slow-going tug-of-war over these edits that's been going on for a couple of weeks now, I'd rather provide an extended rationale for reverting them here:
Romanians from Moldova, are eager to see the European integration issue solved as soon as possible and the Moldovans’ dream to be real European citizens to become reality.
This important dream, to become a part of the big European family again, the Moldovans started to dream ýears ago. Moldova’s future? Like Mihai Viteazul did in 1600..Moldova is Europe's "only Latin state outside the EU". What links has ever had to Russia? ..There is only 1 future: in EU with Romania united. Why not? indeed ( talk) 14:43, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
Rather than allowing the recent constitutional technicality to motivate an outbreak of nationalistic edit warring (which I've been following), for the sake of the reader it is preferable to discuss how the article should reflect this by arguing it out here on the talk page.
As there is information in the English language press, it makes sense to use these sources as a starting point. The changes and ramifications are inevitably going to be analysed in depth further down the line (it's only been a few days!), and reliable secondary sources can be introduced. This is an article, not a race against time to squeeze in as much information dedicated to individual preferences in order to establish an imaginary foothold ASAP. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 20:50, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Ignoring the law ( Constitution) is a violation Wikipedia content guidelines Neutral point of view, Identifying reliable sources. -- Лобачев Владимир ( talk) 05:24, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
The table under Languages should be Romanian (Moldovan) instead of Moldovan (Romanian) as it incorrectly implies Moldovan as an official language, when it not. Furthermore, the link points to Romanian language article so again it doesn't make sense to write it that way. Dan Cojocari ( talk) 17:21, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
"was an autonomous republic of the Ukrainian SSR, encompassing the current Moldovan territory, Transnistria."(see this edit) to Bessarabian Independence, to this and this. My thanks to Anonimu for reverting these strange, WP:POV content changes. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 05:08, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
"was an autonomous republic of the Ukrainian SSR, encompassing the current Moldovan territory, Transnistria."which was rephrased from the first paragraph of Moldavian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic article. These are facts I take from the cited course and not a POV. Maybe you should add your own edits if you are so familiar with the subject, instead of criticizing my efforts to improve an article. Dan Cojocari ( talk) 14:38, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
The paragraph is describing the independence of Bessarabia and formation of Greater Romania. The previous title said "Russian revolution and Greater Romania". There was Russian revolution is either Bessarabia or Greater Romania, so I don't see how that is an appropriate title. Dan Cojocari ( talk) 14:42, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
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User:Azxdw keeps on adding Moldovan as an official language of Moldova, contrary to the resolution no. 36 from 5 December 2013 of the Constitutional Court of Moldova that declared that article 13 of the Moldovan constitution is superseded by the Declaration of Independence, thus giving official status to the language named as "Romanian". User:Azxdw, what is your source when adding Moldovan as an official language of the Republic of Moldova? Mentatus ( talk) 15:20, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
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For the sake of clarification in the relevant paragraph, Xx236, was the German exodus prior the cession of Bessarabia and northern Bukovina or directly after? -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 05:56, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
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The introductory section says that only 11,000 tourist visits to Moldova occur each year, with a link to a 2014 web page. Following the Wiki links to the Tourism in Moldova page, we find that more than 94,000 overnight stays were recorded, and 2.85 million visits including non-overnight visits from neighboring countries such as Romania. The external link for these numbers is to a Moldovan government web site. Additional sources of data are needed to resolve the discrepancy between 11,000 and 94,000. The 11,000 number seems unreliable, coming from a private travel website that provides numbers only in multiples of 1,000. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ClarkC162 ( talk • contribs) 22:51, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
as you may have heard in the news that Moldova is going through a crises now and I would like to know how to approach this information with? Because I have changed the information on multiple pages where Igor Dodon was the past president since the courts have decided but then there is the other side to the parliament who claims he is still the president. Advice on this can help me and others out on approaching the edits of moldovan related pages.
sufyanxtreme ( talk) 11:22, 09 June 2019 (UTC)
Andrian Candu is not the President of the Parliamnet according to the Constitutional Court. According to them the actual Parliament is dissolved and there is no any elected or interim President of the Parliament. — Preceding
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There is a moderator on Wikipedia which decided that Igor Dodon is still the president of this country. When I changed it to the actual new president, he reverted the edit to the state it was before and now the president is still listed as Igor Dodon (the old president). Before reverting an edit, make sure that the edit is 100% not based on real facts or news. LDRAGOplayz ( talk) 15:25, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
kk but that doesn't mean I vandalized the page cause the president was already chosen, those r just earlier news LDRAGOplayz ( talk) 07:17, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
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A user called Yesua Rafael Jara Alcivar has changed the map in the infobox, editing Moldova to include the Budjak. The change was made on 19 May 2021; I've reverted it. Please be cautious in case it happens again; the edit was made on Wikimedia Commons and is thus not shown on the Wikipedia article's editing history tab. That's probably why no one has noticed it for three days. Cheers! Lupishor ( talk) 10:05, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
I see a new user is heavily promoting articles authored by political scholar Ion Marandici, and now he insists adding a contentious designation in this article. While Marandici seems to be a legit scholar, adding this obviously political label to a country article as a fact is a gross violation of WP:NPOV (just like adding in Cuba's page a phrase that the country is a "state sponsor of terrorism" because some US hawks said so). As I suggested in the edit summary, this could be discussed, attributed and in a neutral way, in the article about the government(s) that supposedly have overseen a "captured state" in Moldova, unless proofs are brought forward that this label is accepted as a fact by a majority of the scholars of recent history of Moldova. Anonimu ( talk) 10:11, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
The accuracy of the map titled Polska_1386_-_1434.png has been in dispute and all corrections have been reverted by the original author who refuses any communication not in Polish. That map is entirely in Polish and may not present a neutral view (I don’t have enough knowledge of the area to make a judgement). It is also not available in SVG format. I think it would be best to remove the map from this page (which I will do), pending a review or at least a civil discussion about its merits (e.g. the same city appearing in two places with different names). ⚜ Moilleadóir ✍ 02:49, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
This is exceedingly relevant. There is NO reference to the 2022 Moldovan Refugee Crisis in the article. That's refusing to acknowledge or include a highly notable fact.
This, for self-evident reasons of high notability, should be added to the article and should be no longer reverted. See needed edit--
Chesapeake77 ( talk) 12:37, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
I'm confused.
The maps on this page indicates that various salient into Transnistria areas are under Moldovan control. If so, this would mean that Transnistria is split into two as the Moldovan areas touch the Ukraine border (specifically, the area comprising Vasilievca, Roghi, Cocieri and Corjova).
The map on this page ( https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/Naddniestrze.png) suggests that this area is itself split into three non-contiguous chunks by Transnistrian-controlled roads.
The Geography section of the main Transnistria page suggest these areas are under the control of Joint Control Commission rules, yet the page for this does not explain how this works in practice. Either side can pass through as they wish? Transnistria can use the roads but not the lands either side? How then would Moldova access these lands? The roads are neutral?
I'm confused as to how any of this work in theory or practice.
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In the map, the Transnitria zone should be marked in a light green color, like the separatist regions of Georgia. SpaceCowboy1207 ( talk) 09:17, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
The image is too provocative Deadmorozzch ( talk) 20:42, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
I'm sorry but Moldovan as ethnic group doesn't exist, and people who declare themselves Romanians which are more than 7% are the same people as Moldovans. Can you please change ethnic group label and mark both Romanian and Moldovan as Native, to not make any confusion 188.237.249.130 ( talk) 21:10, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
Moldova is a region both Romania ( west if Pruth River ) and alsi in the Republic of Moldiva (east of Pruth river ). There are parts of historic Moldova in Ukraine ( North Bukovina in Cernivsti Region and Bugeac in Odessa Region ).. Roman8ans call eastern part of Moldova as Basarabia. 5.14.154.169 ( talk) 22:20, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
The use of the generic name Moldova is an abuse when reffering to former Socialist Soviet Republic of Moldavia. The generic name should be used by the main historical region which is now in Romania. The country namwd Republic of Mokdova should be renamed Eastern Moldavia or Oriental Moldavia in order to avoid confusion. Koczka17 ( talk) 10:31, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
I agree with this proposal. I've tried in the past to do this, as a precursor to an eventual (under official Ro government managed) designation of the state as the Former Soviet Republic of Moldova, and Ultimately as the Republic of Bessarabia, in full agreement with its historical legacy as a imperialist-colonial Tsarist and Soviet entity Caliniuc ( talk) 10:45, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
In Administrative divisions, Florești Disctrict should be Florești District. I just don't know how to correct this. Thanks, Laguna CA ( talk) 00:07, 27 February 2023 (UTC)