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Hello! My name is Magen and I am the creator of this article. It is a work in progress. I have sources lined up and plan to write future sections about suicide, management issues within prisons, and policy/advocacy very soon. If you have any suggestions for this article, please feel free to let me know! I am a student and I am always excited to learn more from the Wikipedia community. Magenstat ( talk) 04:19, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Fascinating topic, thanks for contributing to the coverage of it. I may review it, but here are some quick suggestions before I get to it.
Sorry this is a driveby, I will give this a much more thorough look later if you wish! delldot ∇. 05:43, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Hi folks. Magenstat, I see you've done a lot of work on this article. One thing which you might be able to do pretty easily is add in a few of your links from "see also" into the body text. Right now the article does a fine job building the web (linking out to recidivism, deinstitutionalization, etc.) but you have a number of very specific, very helpful links in the see also section which could be used to give a reader some context right at the moment of contact with a new term or idea. For instance, in the test (following "These are sometimes “mercy bookings” intended...") we link to Homelessness in the United States and not Homelessness and mental health. See also sections can be great for articles which don't quite fit as links in text but still might interest the reader. If you find links in see also sections which would be useful in the body text, a good strategy is to take them out and find a spot in context where they work. If you can't, it can stay in the see also section. If you can, readers now have a better understanding of the text without too much additional work. Adam (Wiki Ed) ( talk) 15:24, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
I've updated the citations by converting them to templates and shortening the Author-date footnoting to use only last names (not first initials). I don't think either change will be controversial but I may have introduced some transcription errors. Please let me know if I have and I'll fix it. Adam (Wiki Ed) ( talk) 19:24, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
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But an excellent start on a vitally important topic! |
First of all, I want to thank Magen Eissenstat for writing about such a serious yet underappreciated problem that plagues correctional institutions--and most importantly, the mentally ill persons incarcerated therein--throughout the United States. Bravo! And my hat's off to the Rice University instructor, Vignespassy, who requires her/his students to create a Wikipedia article on a topic pertinent to the class, in this case Human Development in Global and Local Communities. What a great way to develop research, writing, and analytic skills, while also educating others! Nice. - Mark D Worthen PsyD 13:48, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
I don't see any problems here. :O)
Some major aspects that need coverage (in no particular order) include:
Expanding your review of reliable sources will help improve coverage of the major aspects. Three particularly effective methods to achieve this task are:
As a jump start, here are some pertinent journal articles on the topic. Note that the doi links take you to the publisher's web page for the article.
Of course, it is also important to search relevant databases for additional peer-reviewed articles, books, and reports. IMHO the most valuable databases for this topic, in order of importance, are:
Here are some helpful 'how to' documents, videos, and tips for searching PubMed and Google Scholar. (I would have offered some tips for PsycINFO too, but I'm writing this from home and I access PsycINFO from work.)
How to use the PubMed Advanced Search Builder (PubMed Video)
How to use the PubMed Filters Sidebar (PubMed Video)
How to Use MeSH to Build a Better PubMed Query (PubMed Video) ==> Example: "Mental Health Services"[Mesh] AND "Prisoners"[Mesh] AND "United States"[Mesh]
Finding Systemic Reviews in PubMed
Note: This is not an exhaustive list.
MeSH Major Topic [MAJR] - Primary
MeSH Major Topic [MAJR] - Secondary
MeSH Subheadings [SH] - Primary
MeSH Subheadings [SH] - Secondary
MeSH Terms [MH] - Sort
(Use if you want to focus on a particular population - other good 'sort' MeSH terms would be those that specify ethnic, racial, socioeconomic,
LGBTQI, and other subgroups)
How are documents ranked in Google Scholar search results? - "Google Scholar aims to rank documents the way researchers do, weighing the full text of each document, where it was published, who it was written by, as well as how often and how recently it has been cited in other scholarly literature." - from the Google Scholar home page.
Google Scholar Search Tips - Google Scholar Help
Using Google Scholar - Cooperative Library Instruction Project (CLIP) Video
Example search query: "mentally ill" prison* (limited to years 2005-2015) - click to see search results if you search for < "mentally ill" prison* >
While reading through this page, I noticed the sentence "Mentally ill people are overrepresented in United States jail and prison populations relative to the general population." I am concerned about the word "overrepresented" and it's POV implications. Then I saw "There are three times more seriously mentally ill persons in jails and prisons than in hospitals in the United States.", which also sounds like POV when coupled with first sentence. Is this POV? [ Username Needed 12:26, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
P.S. Please ping me when you reply, as I probably will want to look at the answer [ Username Needed 12:27, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
You got enough Torrey in your references? Give me a break.-- Mark v1.0 ( talk) 13:35, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
I edited the Malingering section to improve accuracy ( diff). None of the (previously) cited articles provided a solid estimate of malingering incidence or prevalence, mainly due to lack of methodological rigor. For example, one article (McDermott, Dualan, & Scott, 2013) seems to report a 64% incidence rate among prison inmates. The methodology (procedure) was to thoroughly evaluate inmates suspected of malingering. Thus, the result was that 64% of inmates already suspected of malingering were in fact malingering, which is much different than concluding that a representative sample of all inmates revealed a 64% malingering rate. The Malingering section would benefit from expansion, but if you undertake that task, please read cited articles thoroughly before including incidence or prevalence rates, and note limitations to any such estimates. I concentrated on reading the articles (previously) cited and the articles they cited to support purported incidence or prevalence rates. I did not conduct an exhaustive literature review. The articles I read were:
McDermott, Barbara E., Isah V. Dualan, and Charles L. Scott. "Malingering in the Correctional System: Does Incentive Affect Prevalence?" International Journal of Law and Psychiatry 36, no. 3–4 (2013): 287–292.
McDermott, Barbara E., and Gregory Sokolov. "Malingering in a correctional setting: the use of the structured interview of reported symptoms in a jail sample." Behavioral Sciences and the Law 27, no. 5 (2009): 753–765.
Norris, Margaret P., and Mary C. May. "Screening for Malingering in a Correctional Setting." Law and Human Behavior 22, no. 3 (1998), 22, 315–323.
Teplin, Linda A. "The Prevalence of Severe Mental Disorder Among Male Urban Jail Detainees: Comparison With the Epidemiologic Catchment Area Program." American Journal of Public Health 80, no. 6 (1990): 663–669.
Walters, Glenn D., Thomas W. White, and Roger L. Greene. "Use of the MMPI to Identify Malingering and Exaggeration of Psychiatric Symptomatology in Male Prison Inmates." Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology 56, no. 1 (1988): 111–117.
- Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) (I am a man. The traditional male pronouns are fine.) 00:43, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
I think we're omitting a large portion of the clinical population that is incarcerated. Schizophrenia spectrum and mood disorders only make up a small slice of the clinical pie. Many cluster B personality disorders are highly prevalent within the prison populations [1], and sometimes even comorbid with other disorders [2]. It's also worth mentioning that some of these disorders are often egosyntonic, those with antisocial personality disorders are often unlikely to believe they may need help [3]. There also seems to be some evidence for developmental disabilities [4]. Not to mention PTSD [5]. Dabrams13 ( talk) 15:05, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
References
While reading through this article, I feel like sections of this article (especially The Shift from Mental Health Institutions to Incarceration and Mental health care in prisons and jails) lacked encyclopedic tone and neutral point of view. CuriousCat618 ( talk) 13:48, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
The third section of this article (The Shift from Mental Health Institutions to Incarceration) contains an insufficient number of citations (only one citation in 16 lines of text) and furthermore seems to be inconsistent with Wikipedia's intended encyclopedic tone. Can it be improved to meet these qualifications or should it be deleted? 73.172.81.116 ( talk) 05:06, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
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Hi Miniapolis I noticed that you placed a copy edit tag on this article, but after a quick glance through, I can't really see anything that I would call an issue. Could you elaborate, please? Dinkenfunkle 05:57, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
i think this article should be rewritten to be a bit more neutral especially in the lead section Ivannilych ( talk) 15:07, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
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Hello! My name is Magen and I am the creator of this article. It is a work in progress. I have sources lined up and plan to write future sections about suicide, management issues within prisons, and policy/advocacy very soon. If you have any suggestions for this article, please feel free to let me know! I am a student and I am always excited to learn more from the Wikipedia community. Magenstat ( talk) 04:19, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Fascinating topic, thanks for contributing to the coverage of it. I may review it, but here are some quick suggestions before I get to it.
Sorry this is a driveby, I will give this a much more thorough look later if you wish! delldot ∇. 05:43, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Hi folks. Magenstat, I see you've done a lot of work on this article. One thing which you might be able to do pretty easily is add in a few of your links from "see also" into the body text. Right now the article does a fine job building the web (linking out to recidivism, deinstitutionalization, etc.) but you have a number of very specific, very helpful links in the see also section which could be used to give a reader some context right at the moment of contact with a new term or idea. For instance, in the test (following "These are sometimes “mercy bookings” intended...") we link to Homelessness in the United States and not Homelessness and mental health. See also sections can be great for articles which don't quite fit as links in text but still might interest the reader. If you find links in see also sections which would be useful in the body text, a good strategy is to take them out and find a spot in context where they work. If you can't, it can stay in the see also section. If you can, readers now have a better understanding of the text without too much additional work. Adam (Wiki Ed) ( talk) 15:24, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
I've updated the citations by converting them to templates and shortening the Author-date footnoting to use only last names (not first initials). I don't think either change will be controversial but I may have introduced some transcription errors. Please let me know if I have and I'll fix it. Adam (Wiki Ed) ( talk) 19:24, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
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Review completed. - Mark D Worthen PsyD 11:45, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
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(a) (prose) | I offer some suggestions (below), but I consider the suggestions 'fine tuning' as the article exhibits above average prose quality. | |
(b) (MoS) | Some changes recommended (see below). |
Criteria | Notes | Result |
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(a) (references) | Please see comments and suggestions below. | |
(b) (citations to reliable sources) | No problems. | |
(c) (original research) | No problems. |
Criteria | Notes | Result |
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(a) (major aspects) | Some major aspects not covered (see below). | |
(b) (focused) | The style suggestions for 1(a) will also sharpen the focus of the article. |
Notes | Result |
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Looks good. :O) |
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The opposite: Civil, productive discussions. Good job! |
Criteria | Notes | Result |
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(a) (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales) | Although images are not required, they always help an article, in part by drawing readers in and keeping them engaged (we are visual creatures). See Manual of style:Images, which includes advice for finding good images for a Wikipedia article. | |
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But an excellent start on a vitally important topic! |
First of all, I want to thank Magen Eissenstat for writing about such a serious yet underappreciated problem that plagues correctional institutions--and most importantly, the mentally ill persons incarcerated therein--throughout the United States. Bravo! And my hat's off to the Rice University instructor, Vignespassy, who requires her/his students to create a Wikipedia article on a topic pertinent to the class, in this case Human Development in Global and Local Communities. What a great way to develop research, writing, and analytic skills, while also educating others! Nice. - Mark D Worthen PsyD 13:48, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
I don't see any problems here. :O)
Some major aspects that need coverage (in no particular order) include:
Expanding your review of reliable sources will help improve coverage of the major aspects. Three particularly effective methods to achieve this task are:
As a jump start, here are some pertinent journal articles on the topic. Note that the doi links take you to the publisher's web page for the article.
Of course, it is also important to search relevant databases for additional peer-reviewed articles, books, and reports. IMHO the most valuable databases for this topic, in order of importance, are:
Here are some helpful 'how to' documents, videos, and tips for searching PubMed and Google Scholar. (I would have offered some tips for PsycINFO too, but I'm writing this from home and I access PsycINFO from work.)
How to use the PubMed Advanced Search Builder (PubMed Video)
How to use the PubMed Filters Sidebar (PubMed Video)
How to Use MeSH to Build a Better PubMed Query (PubMed Video) ==> Example: "Mental Health Services"[Mesh] AND "Prisoners"[Mesh] AND "United States"[Mesh]
Finding Systemic Reviews in PubMed
Note: This is not an exhaustive list.
MeSH Major Topic [MAJR] - Primary
MeSH Major Topic [MAJR] - Secondary
MeSH Subheadings [SH] - Primary
MeSH Subheadings [SH] - Secondary
MeSH Terms [MH] - Sort
(Use if you want to focus on a particular population - other good 'sort' MeSH terms would be those that specify ethnic, racial, socioeconomic,
LGBTQI, and other subgroups)
How are documents ranked in Google Scholar search results? - "Google Scholar aims to rank documents the way researchers do, weighing the full text of each document, where it was published, who it was written by, as well as how often and how recently it has been cited in other scholarly literature." - from the Google Scholar home page.
Google Scholar Search Tips - Google Scholar Help
Using Google Scholar - Cooperative Library Instruction Project (CLIP) Video
Example search query: "mentally ill" prison* (limited to years 2005-2015) - click to see search results if you search for < "mentally ill" prison* >
While reading through this page, I noticed the sentence "Mentally ill people are overrepresented in United States jail and prison populations relative to the general population." I am concerned about the word "overrepresented" and it's POV implications. Then I saw "There are three times more seriously mentally ill persons in jails and prisons than in hospitals in the United States.", which also sounds like POV when coupled with first sentence. Is this POV? [ Username Needed 12:26, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
P.S. Please ping me when you reply, as I probably will want to look at the answer [ Username Needed 12:27, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
You got enough Torrey in your references? Give me a break.-- Mark v1.0 ( talk) 13:35, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
I edited the Malingering section to improve accuracy ( diff). None of the (previously) cited articles provided a solid estimate of malingering incidence or prevalence, mainly due to lack of methodological rigor. For example, one article (McDermott, Dualan, & Scott, 2013) seems to report a 64% incidence rate among prison inmates. The methodology (procedure) was to thoroughly evaluate inmates suspected of malingering. Thus, the result was that 64% of inmates already suspected of malingering were in fact malingering, which is much different than concluding that a representative sample of all inmates revealed a 64% malingering rate. The Malingering section would benefit from expansion, but if you undertake that task, please read cited articles thoroughly before including incidence or prevalence rates, and note limitations to any such estimates. I concentrated on reading the articles (previously) cited and the articles they cited to support purported incidence or prevalence rates. I did not conduct an exhaustive literature review. The articles I read were:
McDermott, Barbara E., Isah V. Dualan, and Charles L. Scott. "Malingering in the Correctional System: Does Incentive Affect Prevalence?" International Journal of Law and Psychiatry 36, no. 3–4 (2013): 287–292.
McDermott, Barbara E., and Gregory Sokolov. "Malingering in a correctional setting: the use of the structured interview of reported symptoms in a jail sample." Behavioral Sciences and the Law 27, no. 5 (2009): 753–765.
Norris, Margaret P., and Mary C. May. "Screening for Malingering in a Correctional Setting." Law and Human Behavior 22, no. 3 (1998), 22, 315–323.
Teplin, Linda A. "The Prevalence of Severe Mental Disorder Among Male Urban Jail Detainees: Comparison With the Epidemiologic Catchment Area Program." American Journal of Public Health 80, no. 6 (1990): 663–669.
Walters, Glenn D., Thomas W. White, and Roger L. Greene. "Use of the MMPI to Identify Malingering and Exaggeration of Psychiatric Symptomatology in Male Prison Inmates." Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology 56, no. 1 (1988): 111–117.
- Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) (I am a man. The traditional male pronouns are fine.) 00:43, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
I think we're omitting a large portion of the clinical population that is incarcerated. Schizophrenia spectrum and mood disorders only make up a small slice of the clinical pie. Many cluster B personality disorders are highly prevalent within the prison populations [1], and sometimes even comorbid with other disorders [2]. It's also worth mentioning that some of these disorders are often egosyntonic, those with antisocial personality disorders are often unlikely to believe they may need help [3]. There also seems to be some evidence for developmental disabilities [4]. Not to mention PTSD [5]. Dabrams13 ( talk) 15:05, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
References
While reading through this article, I feel like sections of this article (especially The Shift from Mental Health Institutions to Incarceration and Mental health care in prisons and jails) lacked encyclopedic tone and neutral point of view. CuriousCat618 ( talk) 13:48, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
The third section of this article (The Shift from Mental Health Institutions to Incarceration) contains an insufficient number of citations (only one citation in 16 lines of text) and furthermore seems to be inconsistent with Wikipedia's intended encyclopedic tone. Can it be improved to meet these qualifications or should it be deleted? 73.172.81.116 ( talk) 05:06, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
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Hi Miniapolis I noticed that you placed a copy edit tag on this article, but after a quick glance through, I can't really see anything that I would call an issue. Could you elaborate, please? Dinkenfunkle 05:57, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
i think this article should be rewritten to be a bit more neutral especially in the lead section Ivannilych ( talk) 15:07, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
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