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Needs to be more neutral. Also needs to explain why the British couldn't deal with the Japanese onslaught despite numerical superiority - ie. bicycle infantry, etc. For the tone I've put up a "cleanup" page. Will plan to modify it heavily. -- Natalinasmpf 23:03, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
The overemphasis of the affair of Heeman, who is a scapegoat for the debacle, reinforces the suggestion that this article lacks neutrality. As the article notes, the British were are at severe disadvantage in tanks and aircraft and were outflanked by sea so what relevance does the Heenan affair have to the outcome of the campaign other than providing a scapegoat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.3.11.157 ( talk) 05:03, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Were there any British troops who got left in Malaya when most of the British troops retreated to Singapore, were not captured by the Japanese, and carried on fighting in the Malayan jungles (like some American troops in the Philippines)? There's no mention of them in this article. 222.165.42.62 ( talk) 12:58, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
If the allies had 140,000 men, and 60,000 were casualties (including 40,000 captured), then what happened to the other 80,000? Very few escaped. Tuntable ( talk) 07:13, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
An editor has added that Thai forces were involved in the Japanese invasion of Malaya. While I know they occupied several northern Malay states with the agreement of the Japanese later in the war, I can not find anything to support them being directly involved in the invasion and conquest of Malaya. Does anyone have any information to support the edit? NealeFamily ( talk) 20:20, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Malayan Campaign's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
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In the line:
To counteract this plans for a pre-emptive invasion of southern Thailand, named Operation Matador, had been drawn up.
Adding a comma after "this" fixes it, but having "this" as the descriptor ruins the sentence. The sentence needs to be rewritten.
G'day, NealeFamily, it's good to see a bit of work being done on this important article. Not sure if you are planning on working on the article further, but I have a couple of suggestions if you are: AustralianRupert ( talk) 01:37, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
There is a suggestion on the Taiwanese POW website that the number of troops cited in various sources is inaccurate. See: http://www.powtaiwan.org/archives_detail.php?THE-TRUTH-ABOUT-THE-NUMBERS-IN-SINGAPORE-3 Their page gives the following:
Japanese
Japanese solders = 150,000 men plus the Korean conscripts. Total more than 200,000 trained soldiers.
Commonwealth
Battle for Malaya = 88,000 (17,500 casualties - killed, missing or wounded)
Battle for Singapore = Balance from Malaya plus 20,000 from 18th Australian Division from 29 January 1942
Looking at the above data I think the Japanese units are double counted as the 5th, 18th and Imperial Guards were assigned to the 25th Army. The 15th Army is not counted and was held in reserve in case the 25th struck difficulties. This still gives the Japanese a numerically superior force. Does anyone have a better count. NealeFamily ( talk) 02:13, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
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Needs to be more neutral. Also needs to explain why the British couldn't deal with the Japanese onslaught despite numerical superiority - ie. bicycle infantry, etc. For the tone I've put up a "cleanup" page. Will plan to modify it heavily. -- Natalinasmpf 23:03, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
The overemphasis of the affair of Heeman, who is a scapegoat for the debacle, reinforces the suggestion that this article lacks neutrality. As the article notes, the British were are at severe disadvantage in tanks and aircraft and were outflanked by sea so what relevance does the Heenan affair have to the outcome of the campaign other than providing a scapegoat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.3.11.157 ( talk) 05:03, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Were there any British troops who got left in Malaya when most of the British troops retreated to Singapore, were not captured by the Japanese, and carried on fighting in the Malayan jungles (like some American troops in the Philippines)? There's no mention of them in this article. 222.165.42.62 ( talk) 12:58, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
If the allies had 140,000 men, and 60,000 were casualties (including 40,000 captured), then what happened to the other 80,000? Very few escaped. Tuntable ( talk) 07:13, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
An editor has added that Thai forces were involved in the Japanese invasion of Malaya. While I know they occupied several northern Malay states with the agreement of the Japanese later in the war, I can not find anything to support them being directly involved in the invasion and conquest of Malaya. Does anyone have any information to support the edit? NealeFamily ( talk) 20:20, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Malayan Campaign's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Klemen":
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suggested) (
help)CS1 maint: date format (
link){{
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link)I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 03:40, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
In the line:
To counteract this plans for a pre-emptive invasion of southern Thailand, named Operation Matador, had been drawn up.
Adding a comma after "this" fixes it, but having "this" as the descriptor ruins the sentence. The sentence needs to be rewritten.
G'day, NealeFamily, it's good to see a bit of work being done on this important article. Not sure if you are planning on working on the article further, but I have a couple of suggestions if you are: AustralianRupert ( talk) 01:37, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
There is a suggestion on the Taiwanese POW website that the number of troops cited in various sources is inaccurate. See: http://www.powtaiwan.org/archives_detail.php?THE-TRUTH-ABOUT-THE-NUMBERS-IN-SINGAPORE-3 Their page gives the following:
Japanese
Japanese solders = 150,000 men plus the Korean conscripts. Total more than 200,000 trained soldiers.
Commonwealth
Battle for Malaya = 88,000 (17,500 casualties - killed, missing or wounded)
Battle for Singapore = Balance from Malaya plus 20,000 from 18th Australian Division from 29 January 1942
Looking at the above data I think the Japanese units are double counted as the 5th, 18th and Imperial Guards were assigned to the 25th Army. The 15th Army is not counted and was held in reserve in case the 25th struck difficulties. This still gives the Japanese a numerically superior force. Does anyone have a better count. NealeFamily ( talk) 02:13, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
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