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Did anybody else make this spoonerism while reading PotD?.. just me then? :/ -- Monotonehell 09:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Someone should archive this page. It's already over 129 kilobytes long... In wikipedia guidelines it states that a page should be archived at 32kb... I'm not good at editing so someone else should do it. 205.188.116.138 23:47, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Did anyone else notice this $10,000 donation by the W. Glen Boyd Charitable Foundation, back on October 10th? Maybe we should have something on it in the Signpost... — BRIAN 0918 • 2006-11-08 03:45Z
what is opinion leader and and what is the role of development in the 3rd world countries
Pelosi (soon to be speaker of the house) and Rumsfeld (stepping down is big news). Bob Gates is slated to replace Rumsfeld. LILVOKA 17:58, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
The parties are not currently tied in the Senate. The Dems have 50; the Republicans have 49. Granted the Dems have to win Virginia to get over Cheney's tie-breaker, but the current wording is incorrect.
savidan
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The current day in GMT is the ninth, but Tomorrow's edition of the main page shows today's featured content as part of its layout, ref today's featured article of Karen Dotrice and Tomorrow's of the same. Is this a fault, and if so, is this fixable? I'm not sure if this has been the case before now, but. Bobo . 06:21, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
i think this is a load of crap and that you are so stupid i mean any body could say this adn make it up yo —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.187.163.190 ( talk • contribs) .
Today's (11/9/06) DYK includes "..that Kadambini Ganguly (pictured) was one of the first female graduates in the British Empire and the first female doctor (allopath) in South Asia?"
Any chance we can change "allopath" to "M.D." or an equivalent? "Allopath" is held by some to be offensive.
Having come across the debate again on a page of BJAODN a suggestion - if the image or equivalents appears in "local library" medical encylopedias, use it, if the disease/syndrome/whatever is only described, use a diagram. It might also be useful to have a "medical image some might find unpleasant" warning on the relevant pages with a diagram at the top (ie for those of us who just want to know what "xyz-ism" is but don't want the glorious technicolour images).
That said, there will always be a degree of subjectivity in the matter - we can all think of images we object to (for whatever reasons) - and some "objectionable images" will inspire people in a positive way. Jackiespeel 15:57, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
I see that Armistice Day is in the anniversary section of the front page. Would anyone support a change to Remembrance Day and Ode of Remembrance type thing (ie. solemn remembrance of past, present and future sacifices, rather than military history about the end of World War I? Carcharoth 00:49, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
It keeps displaying in the nostalgia skin. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? It's been like this for the past three hours. Floaterfluss 07:22, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Euler the Toiler is my hero... long live generatingfunctionology! And Euler's Identity! And the Pentagonal Number Theorem! And gamma! And... oh, there's just too many to name. :-) -- 3M163// Complete Geek 14:03, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Donald Rumsfeld's resignation is nowhere near as noteworthy. Past U.S. Presidents have gone through three Defense Secretaries in their terms. The photo should be of Pelosi.
Although Armistice Day is mentioned as taking place today, there should be a mention of it being the end of hostilities in World War 1. Motorfix 14:45, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
I want a wiki in which people are able to present experiment reports, preferably using the scientific method. Call it wikiscience or something. This will enable wikipedia to have a source for some statistics or facts. GstrOSx 09:07, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Wouldn't be easier for the reader if the images in the 'In the News' section were always placed adjacent to the relevant article rather than the first article. As things are done now, it seems confusing. Hmains 18:31, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Ideally, there could be a new image for each top item, but there aren't enough free images for that. — Centrx→ talk • 01:36, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
This has come up MANY times over the past year. I've made several suggestions;
All of which have been poopooed for no good reason [jokeing ;)] Maybe we should settle this once and for all? -- Monotonehell 18:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
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In works of literature, films, and video games, many events are incorrectly stated in past tense. As a work of fiction that is immortal, events are properly stated in present tense. It is suggested that users help correct this mild issue. (from a friendly user) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 170.211.117.7 ( talk • contribs) .
There are arguments specific to Tolkien's works. See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Middle-earth/Standards#Tenses. My personal feeling is that it depends on the context of the article in question. Most of the time, writing in the present tense is best in a plot summary, but sometimes there are valid reasons for writing in the past tense. Tenses is something that a good writer should be able to handle, without having it imposed on them. Thus the tenses guideline is a stylistic guideline intended for those who want, or require, guidance. If writing another way is better, don't feel constrained by the guidelines. It might help to consider the following cases: (1) writing a plot summary from the point of view of someone reading the book in the present - use present tense; (2) writing about the internal history described in a work of fiction - use past tense. Carcharoth 14:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
The entry for Penley is problematic. Is there any way to link today' "Did You Know" to the Penley Polish Hospital section of North_East_Wales_NHS_Trust? Thanks. Eddieuny 20:26, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I really like the short FA blurbs that have appeared the last couple days. It forces the writing in ITN to be a bit more concise. (I admit to having added clauses in ITN items just to make the section long enough to match the neighboring FA.) It also increases the visibility of DYK and SA. More please. - Banyan Tree 00:40, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
When I mouse over the picture of Nancy Pelosi, it says Robert Gates. 71.12.182.210 02:43, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Today's FA is huge, and apparently each side of the Main Page is not evenly balanced. I reinstated a news headline at T:ITN, but it appears to not have done much. Can anyone remove a current DYK and use it for another day, if possible? The last one ( Lucien Bianchi) is very long, and removing it would definitely put the page back to normal. Nishkid 64 00:50, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I am looking for togo civil war information. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Porks ( talk • contribs) 19:36, 15 November 2006 (UTC).
There have been three discussions on this topic on this talk page and countless discussions about it in the Wikipedia Community. At this point I will restate the basic fact that in the English Language, Montreal and Quebec do not take accents. These names are the native names used by the native Anglo-Quebecer population, who have lived in Quebec for hundreds of years. Let me clarify in point form:
Seeing as how a sizeable segment of Quebecers are in fact native English speakers who write Montreal and Quebec without an accent, writing those names in this way reflects both the English-Language norms and the form preferred by the native community when speaking English (even francophones tend to write it without an accent in English).
Montreal and Quebec are not names imposed on these places by modern day Anglophones Imperialists. In fact, calling them Montréal and Québec in the English language is disrespectful to both local customs and the native Anglophone Quebecer population. It is a politicized issue, and in choosing to write these placenames with an accent, Wikipedia's administrators show support for a contentious point of view which many Anglophones consider slightly offensive, demonstrating a lack of Neutral Point of View.
This may be avoided entirely by using the proper English names of Montreal and Quebec, which are accepted in both the larger English speaking community and the native Quebec population (for use in English), and are not considered offensive even to ultranationalists who would prefer the complete removal or assimilation of Anglo-Quebecer population.
I ask, then, why the Wikipedia administration continues to insult not only the Anglophone Quebecer population (by disregarding their existence) but also the Quebec population at large (by imposing their outside view of how things should be written rather than how Quebecers prefer to write them). It is especially troubling that the Bank of Montreal (no accent, but written with an accent in French as “Banque de Montréal”) was founded by Anglo-Quebecers and was originally designed to serve this minority population’s trade interests.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.53.137.52 ( talk • contribs) .
I wrote that line with the accent mark on the letter E. I am rather surprised (and somewhat disturbed) that it would be considered disrespectful or offensive at all. I had no idea how this would be interpreted in such a manner. Please do not read too much into my use of accent marks. That's simply how I spell the words in everyday life, as I do with other loanwords like café, coup d'état, fiancée, resumé, Beyoncé Knowles, Renée, etc. I had no intention of insulting anyone and would like to apologise to anyone who found that insulting. -- PFHLai 16:29, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
There seems to be some disagreement about what to do with the 10k section of the links to other wikipedias that was removed by Raul because he felt it made the language links section too large. The way I see it there are four options, enumerated below, and I think it would help to have people express their preferences and why. Dragons flight 15:37, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
What? I don't get it. Are you saying that because there is a list of 33 languages at the left, then the links at the bottom to all 250 Wikipedias should be deleted?? I definitely disagree. I would like to see a note at the top or bottom of the list of languages on the left on the main page, something like "for more languages see below", so that people will notice the links at the bottom and be able to find more Wikipedias. I would also like to see more language links on the left. The Babel page has far more than the Main Page. The more the better! (well, maybe within some limit, but 33 is way too few IMO.) If lots of languages are listed, it makes Wikipedia look good: it gives an impression that Wikipedia is supporting lots of languages, which it is. It will help the smaller Wikipedias grow by attracting non-scroller-downers like myself. Here's an idea: Make the list of languages on the Main Page at least long enough that when someone scrolls down to the bottom of the list of languages in any reasonably common browser window size, then they will have scrolled down far enough to notice the languages box at the bottom of the Main Page. Also replace "in other languages" with "in other languages (more below)" on the Main Page. -- Coppertwig 13:35, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
See also: Talk:Main Page #German Wikipedia 500,000th entry, Talk:Main Page #Provide a way to get to all the Wikipedias.
Here's another idea. Would take work to implement it, though. Maybe only worthwhile if it can be automated: below the list of about 33 languages and just above the "Complete list" link, have about 5 or 10 more languages listed. These would cycle through all the other languages. That is, each day (or each week) a different 5 or 10 languages would be listed there, so that even the very smallest Wikipedias would be listed sometimes. By the way, I'm just tickled pink that my suggestion to put a link like the "Complete list" one was taken up, and implemented so fast. What a great community Wikipedia is! -- Coppertwig 03:47, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
The "on this day" entry -- "1988 - The Palestinian National Council declared the independence of the State of Palestine" -- links directly to an NPOV page on the so-called "Palestinian National Council". This is an obsolete, unelected body chartered by the Arab League and trotted out for special occasions. The declaration had no effect whatsoever, and was generally ignored by Arafat's Palestine Authority.
wWho visits Wikipedia more? Americans Or the English? Zabrak 00:59, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
The obvious answer - Australians. It should be au.wikipedia.org - only joking :D Blackjack4124 10:43, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Is today a sort of Polish day in this project? FA, DYK, and Selected anniversaries all start with Polish entries. By looking at Main Page, one may believe he has come to Polish wikipedia, translated in English. -- Ghirla -трёп- 08:57, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
It is not a bias but occasional country-centrism. T:TDYK directs the updating admins: "Try to avoid country-centrism and topic-centrism. Wikipedia is a general-interest encyclopedia with a global audience. No DYK installment should have more than two entries relating to one country, topic, or issue, and no more than one is even better." What's the point of this requirement on DYK, if other Main Page templates may cover the same country or topic, as they do today? -- Ghirla -трёп- 12:09, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Its odd but doesn't bother me- as long as its only one day! Unless it becomes a pattern and we start having to many Poland Days or whatever else Days I can't see a problem. Obviously the English-speaking countries will tend to be overrepresented on the main page as this is the English-language wiki and all the wikis are unavoidably biased or centred in favour of the countries where their languages are dominant. Even still there are enough Anglophone countries that no one should dominate. My point - one Poland Day :-) is okay, just shouldn't happen again anytime soon.-- Dreko 17:49, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Milton Friedman passed away today. He is a legend in the field of economics and should be in the "In the news" section. His pic should be pictured as well. Why hasn't this been done? Zachorious 21:51, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Friedman is internationally known wherever people study economics - i.e. everywhere. He should definetly get a spot 'in the news', he is much more well known that the three people who are in 'the news' today: Nadarajah Raviraj, Joseph Kabila, Ségolène Royal. With all due respect to politicians, the world does not end with them.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 23:22, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
His influence was quite extensive. If you were to ask on a person a street to name three economists of the 20th century he would definetly be there. Compared to Nadarajah Raviraj, Joseph Kabila, Ségolène Royal his name is way more widely recognized (some people may say for better or worse). He should be in the section. It may provoke controversy but that's not a standard that an information source and an encyclopedia should adhere too. radek 04:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
The comment that Friedman at 94 wasn't contributing to his field in recent years is bunk. His last contribution to the Wall Street Journal was published the day after his death (previously scheduled), and he was writing articles for scholarly journals in the months before he died (see the Rutgers Magazine article on him here). I think the intellectual impetus for the defeat of communism at the end of the cold war (he advised Reagan, Nixon, and other cold warriors how to defeat the soviet union), and that his works not only were widely read in the Soviet sphere of influence and inspired hope in the people under the communists and after communism fell laid the groundwork for their societies being rebuilt as successful economies. In the 1970s, his intellectual arguments brought about the end of the military draft in the United States! Check Google News, Friedman's death was on the front page of every major American newspaper and most of the major newspapers and television news programs across the globe. I didn't even know who Raviraj was until now. Raviraj might have been killed in his prime in a minor, insignificant conflict (on an island no one cares about) most of the world doesn't know is going on, but Friedman was the mind that gave birth to the greatest contributions to human freedom in 200 almost years. As to the ITN policy...(b) the deceased was a key figure in their field of expertise, and died unexpectedly or tragically. Key figure, yes. Died unexpectedly...everyone could be said to die unexpectedly. Especially so when they were relatively healthy the last time someone spoke to them (like Friedman was a couple of weeks ago when i talked to him last). Heart Failure can have sudden onset, and just because someone is 94 doesn't mean you should write them off as dead before their in the ground...think Jeanne Calment (died at 122) or the legendary 16th century Briton John Parr (150) (who I also add died "unexpectedly" because the food he ate at the king's feast in his honour was likely too rich for him). Your reasonings are specious, and your adherence to an interpretation of policies unsound. — ExplorerCDT 19:18, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Whats with the main logo being changed to a picture of some guy? Joshlmay 21:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
The first topic in ITN, DYK, OTD and the featured picture all involve women! Clearly, Wikipedia is being run by a feminist cabal ;-) — Cuivi é nen 02:31, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
One could just as easily say that there is a Californian bias, with three of the five main page pics. ;) Afn 15:57, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I think we should change the way Wikipedia searches a little. Not a major change, just a small one. We should make the search for "a" different than "a/an" or "i" different than "I". And acronyms such as CAT scan (instead of "cat"), except if they are widely used with miniscule letters such as "laser". Randfan 00:46, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
So? I'm sure if we post the same about Hillary Clinton in '08, there will be accusations of U.S. bias. Also, why are we endorsing a candidate? And don't tell me the piece is NPOV. Just having it there is free advertising. -- Nelson Ricardo 11:28, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
She's cute, so she should be the next president of France. Either her or preferrably, Alizee. All the other news outlets are gaga over Segolene Royal, so why shouldn't Wikipedia follow suit? --—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.76.33.8 ( talk • contribs) 02:26, 19 November 2006
Can someone fix the serious front page vandalism already - the main article points to a vandalised San Francisco article! (C_California) (ok fixed now finally strange that a featured article was not locked.). Orbitalia 16:12/16:49, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
The featured article, first DYK and featured picture all have something to do with California. Wikipedia is clearly run by Californians.
Please update main page, Czech Wikipedia now have more than 50.000 articles. :) -- Ragimiri 19:08, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed that the main page doesn't have all the interwikis of the main pages of other wikipedias not even of some of the bigger ones(<10.000 articles). Please someone with admin rights could change that . -- Noumenorian 21:12, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
In the blub on today's featured picture (cheetah) why does its acceleration have to be compared to two cars (aside from the fighter plane)? I can agree there is a progression from a car to a fighter plane (accelerates faster than a supercar or even a fighter plane), but isn't it redundant to name two cars? Does it really tell much except for the fact that the writer is a car-enthusiast? Just a thought... Cribananda 07:08, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
The Swedish mainpage was recently moved to the portal namespace, because it is a portal, and not an article... Something to think about on enwiki as well? / Grillo 10:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I just want to thank whoever it was that had the brilliant idea to make a picture of someone's poo in a bowl one click away from the front page. :) -- Robbrown 22:30, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Since these allegations of country-specific bias keep cropping up, it seems to me we have only one solution. We need to nominate someone to become an evil maniac bent on controlling the world (like in movies and cartoons). Any volunteers? Once this person is successful, he or she can prevent country specific bias by controlling world events. For example, tomorrow's FA is on some American comedy performance. So no events from America that merit inclusion in ITN tomorrow please. The next day it a Russian composer so no events from Russia. Alternatively, we can try asking these guys Bilderberg Group for help...? Nil Einne 09:39, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I notice that the View the Animation link on the main page takes the reader to the image page of the image, which includes all the notices associated with the image. Do we really need for the casual reader to read notices about temporary uploading and all the file links associated with it? Wouldn't it make more sense to just transclude the image into a clean and empty subpage which we link to from the main page, so the reader sees only what they expect to see, the animated image? NoSeptember 12:37, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
You're all biased to people who bias bias. Nobody's removed a user's joke comment joke about a mediawiki feature planned to send all bias talk to /dev/null! This is atrocious.
80.41.251.238 13:51, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Just a simple request: I would very much appreciate it if the editors/authors would use a 'justified alignment' for the texts, it reads so much nicer! Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MStefSB ( talk • contribs) 16:37, 20 November 2006 (UTC).
ITN hasn't been changed in almost 48 hours I think. There must be something interesting happening in the world that deserves a mention. Antimatter 17:25, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I just thought it was worth mentioning....wikipedia (and wikinews) is my primary news source...it's almost as if the world is slowing down so that I can catch up with it...strange. Antimatter 01:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Let's see... I've just updated the Vietnamese Wikipedia's ITN section to include NASDAQ's bid to buy out the London Stock Exchange, Kofi Annan's call against intervention by Somalia's neighbors into the Somali Civil War, the APEC and G20 summits that wrapped up on Sunday, and India's test of the Prithvi Missile System. There's plenty going on. – Minh Nguyễn ( talk, contribs) 07:07, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Some of those sound pretty good, perhaps some of them should be added (if a bias complaint can be averted) Antimatter 07:12, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
There's also Obrador vowing to establish a "parallel government". All this stuff's on Current events. – Minh Nguyễn ( talk, contribs) 08:27, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
"The Russian security service denies any involvement." This is almost the same as saying that they are probably involved. After all the CIA will say they're not involved either but you're not mentioning this. Please just remove that line. Piet | Talk 13:25, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, the German Wikipedia is about to have its 500,000th article. Should a new section on the frontpage be created for it? After all it's 10 times as big as the Wikipedias with 50,000+ entries. Jrielaecher 13:47, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
The section is a bit misleading as it is. The 50k+ heading doesn't really describe well wikipedias that are an order of magnitude larger than that. We can't let the visual balance of sections trump functionality. Maybe we should go for something spacey, like the following (relative sizes based on the 4th root of the number of articles).
Zocky |
picture popups 17:47, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
العربية · български · català · čeština · dansk · Deutsch · English · Esperanto
español · eesti · suomi · français · עברית · hrvatski · magyar · Bahasa Indonesia
italiano · 日本語 · 한국어 · lietuvių · Nederlands · norsk · polski ·
português · română · русский · slovenčina · slovenščina · српски / srpski · svenska
తెలుగు · Türkçe · українська · 中文
I was bashing around for that "50,000+" listing because there were already several Wikipediae with more than 250,000 articles. I wasn't heard, but after it was changed back to 100,000 recently all I can say is: Don't change it. The French Wikipedia will have 400,000 articles very soon, as the third largest WP it should be within the same group as the German one. An own section for one or two entries doesn't make sense. -- 32X 22:39, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I would also create the 500.000 section. --
Nrainer 11:01, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Is this kosher? Don't we have a policy of no unfree images outside of articlespace? - crz crztalk 16:36, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
The link to Functionalism in DYK goes to a disambig page. It should go to Functionalism (architecture). Can someone correct this? MrVoluntarist 17:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Okay now this is weird: why doesn't the correction that was just made to functionalism's link appear in the main page's history? Or in the DYK history? MrVoluntarist 17:52, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
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Surely a better article could be found than that? Calling what Colbert did as 'satire' doesn't adequately describe it. This was supposed to be entertainment, but was turned into an outright attack which amused only democrats...and not all of them. To say it was controversial, likewise falls short of the mark. Did someone pay to have this article featured? Brian Pearson 17:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it's politically charged, but it certainly qualifies as a good article...I would say FA quality. Well referenced and fairly objective. The subjectivity lies in the fact that it was chosen as featured article of the day, not necessarily the content of the article itself. Featured articles frequently raise controversy like this, but I didn't even know there was an article on this subject at all....now the fact that it is featured only goes to show what a remarkable process of information exchange took place to bring the article to its current condition. As far as being a testament to the use of Wikipedia as a compendium of knowledge, I say it was a good choice. (although the fact that it wasn't published as the featured article of the day until after the midterm elections is an issue of some sensitivity) Antimatter 20:03, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
For each language Wikipedia, surely there must have been a time when it had only 1 article. I like the idea of encouraging the small wikis to grow. Here's an idea: On every page, or at least on the main page, at the bottom of the list of languages at the left, have one more link marked "...other". It would link to a page that has a list of every language Wiki, even the ones that are just starting and have only 1 article. It would link to an article on that Wiki, it doesn't matter much which article, even if the Wiki doesn't have a Main Page, because once you've navigated to that one article, you can then start creating pages and writing articles for that Wiki. At the moment I'm frustrated because I don't see any way to find a list of all the languages. The Wikipedia:Babel page has the most that I've seen, but I suspect there may be more. There should be a way to find a list of all of them. And it should not be too hard to find. One link from the home page is not too much to ask, I think. -- Coppertwig 02:15, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I've now installed an "Other languages..." link to the bottom of the interwikis through javascript (tested in recent versions of IE and firefox). You may have to clear your cache to see it (Ctrl-F5 on IE/Firefox for Windows). Dragons flight 22:44, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
This hack to put the complete list on the sidebar looks really good. Good work, DF and DL! The update to Special:Statistics looks good as well. Now, when will the proposed new sidebar be ready... ;-) Carcharoth 01:15, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
I posted this on the Error page, but felt mentioning it here might be beneficial. There seems to be a lax practice on Wikipedia to refer to anything British as English, and link appropriately. After 1603 there's the union of the crowns, but it's still legally fine to refer to England and Scotland seperately. No problem there.
The problem is referring to events after 1707 as "English", and linking to England or such. There is no England as a sovereign entity after the Act of Union. No Scotland either. It's Great Britain.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kaenei ( talk • contribs) 07:48, 22 November 2006 (UTC).
One can continue to describe things as English or Scottish, people do. But when the Royal Navy, which draws and has drawn manpower, taxes and ships from across Great Britain and its sailors are referred to as English, that's just simply wrong. It's merely the point that Scotland and England(& Wales) together are Great Britain, together with Northern Ireland are the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and not simply "England." It's just question of simply terminology.
Kaenei 13:42, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Somehwat connected to the entirely valid gripe above - It should refer to British sailors, not English. siarach 07:55, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
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Did anybody else make this spoonerism while reading PotD?.. just me then? :/ -- Monotonehell 09:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Someone should archive this page. It's already over 129 kilobytes long... In wikipedia guidelines it states that a page should be archived at 32kb... I'm not good at editing so someone else should do it. 205.188.116.138 23:47, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Did anyone else notice this $10,000 donation by the W. Glen Boyd Charitable Foundation, back on October 10th? Maybe we should have something on it in the Signpost... — BRIAN 0918 • 2006-11-08 03:45Z
what is opinion leader and and what is the role of development in the 3rd world countries
Pelosi (soon to be speaker of the house) and Rumsfeld (stepping down is big news). Bob Gates is slated to replace Rumsfeld. LILVOKA 17:58, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
The parties are not currently tied in the Senate. The Dems have 50; the Republicans have 49. Granted the Dems have to win Virginia to get over Cheney's tie-breaker, but the current wording is incorrect.
savidan
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(e@) 19:30, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
The current day in GMT is the ninth, but Tomorrow's edition of the main page shows today's featured content as part of its layout, ref today's featured article of Karen Dotrice and Tomorrow's of the same. Is this a fault, and if so, is this fixable? I'm not sure if this has been the case before now, but. Bobo . 06:21, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
i think this is a load of crap and that you are so stupid i mean any body could say this adn make it up yo —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.187.163.190 ( talk • contribs) .
Today's (11/9/06) DYK includes "..that Kadambini Ganguly (pictured) was one of the first female graduates in the British Empire and the first female doctor (allopath) in South Asia?"
Any chance we can change "allopath" to "M.D." or an equivalent? "Allopath" is held by some to be offensive.
Having come across the debate again on a page of BJAODN a suggestion - if the image or equivalents appears in "local library" medical encylopedias, use it, if the disease/syndrome/whatever is only described, use a diagram. It might also be useful to have a "medical image some might find unpleasant" warning on the relevant pages with a diagram at the top (ie for those of us who just want to know what "xyz-ism" is but don't want the glorious technicolour images).
That said, there will always be a degree of subjectivity in the matter - we can all think of images we object to (for whatever reasons) - and some "objectionable images" will inspire people in a positive way. Jackiespeel 15:57, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
I see that Armistice Day is in the anniversary section of the front page. Would anyone support a change to Remembrance Day and Ode of Remembrance type thing (ie. solemn remembrance of past, present and future sacifices, rather than military history about the end of World War I? Carcharoth 00:49, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
It keeps displaying in the nostalgia skin. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? It's been like this for the past three hours. Floaterfluss 07:22, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Euler the Toiler is my hero... long live generatingfunctionology! And Euler's Identity! And the Pentagonal Number Theorem! And gamma! And... oh, there's just too many to name. :-) -- 3M163// Complete Geek 14:03, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Donald Rumsfeld's resignation is nowhere near as noteworthy. Past U.S. Presidents have gone through three Defense Secretaries in their terms. The photo should be of Pelosi.
Although Armistice Day is mentioned as taking place today, there should be a mention of it being the end of hostilities in World War 1. Motorfix 14:45, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
I want a wiki in which people are able to present experiment reports, preferably using the scientific method. Call it wikiscience or something. This will enable wikipedia to have a source for some statistics or facts. GstrOSx 09:07, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Wouldn't be easier for the reader if the images in the 'In the News' section were always placed adjacent to the relevant article rather than the first article. As things are done now, it seems confusing. Hmains 18:31, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Ideally, there could be a new image for each top item, but there aren't enough free images for that. — Centrx→ talk • 01:36, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
This has come up MANY times over the past year. I've made several suggestions;
All of which have been poopooed for no good reason [jokeing ;)] Maybe we should settle this once and for all? -- Monotonehell 18:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
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In works of literature, films, and video games, many events are incorrectly stated in past tense. As a work of fiction that is immortal, events are properly stated in present tense. It is suggested that users help correct this mild issue. (from a friendly user) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 170.211.117.7 ( talk • contribs) .
There are arguments specific to Tolkien's works. See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Middle-earth/Standards#Tenses. My personal feeling is that it depends on the context of the article in question. Most of the time, writing in the present tense is best in a plot summary, but sometimes there are valid reasons for writing in the past tense. Tenses is something that a good writer should be able to handle, without having it imposed on them. Thus the tenses guideline is a stylistic guideline intended for those who want, or require, guidance. If writing another way is better, don't feel constrained by the guidelines. It might help to consider the following cases: (1) writing a plot summary from the point of view of someone reading the book in the present - use present tense; (2) writing about the internal history described in a work of fiction - use past tense. Carcharoth 14:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
The entry for Penley is problematic. Is there any way to link today' "Did You Know" to the Penley Polish Hospital section of North_East_Wales_NHS_Trust? Thanks. Eddieuny 20:26, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I really like the short FA blurbs that have appeared the last couple days. It forces the writing in ITN to be a bit more concise. (I admit to having added clauses in ITN items just to make the section long enough to match the neighboring FA.) It also increases the visibility of DYK and SA. More please. - Banyan Tree 00:40, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
When I mouse over the picture of Nancy Pelosi, it says Robert Gates. 71.12.182.210 02:43, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Today's FA is huge, and apparently each side of the Main Page is not evenly balanced. I reinstated a news headline at T:ITN, but it appears to not have done much. Can anyone remove a current DYK and use it for another day, if possible? The last one ( Lucien Bianchi) is very long, and removing it would definitely put the page back to normal. Nishkid 64 00:50, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I am looking for togo civil war information. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Porks ( talk • contribs) 19:36, 15 November 2006 (UTC).
There have been three discussions on this topic on this talk page and countless discussions about it in the Wikipedia Community. At this point I will restate the basic fact that in the English Language, Montreal and Quebec do not take accents. These names are the native names used by the native Anglo-Quebecer population, who have lived in Quebec for hundreds of years. Let me clarify in point form:
Seeing as how a sizeable segment of Quebecers are in fact native English speakers who write Montreal and Quebec without an accent, writing those names in this way reflects both the English-Language norms and the form preferred by the native community when speaking English (even francophones tend to write it without an accent in English).
Montreal and Quebec are not names imposed on these places by modern day Anglophones Imperialists. In fact, calling them Montréal and Québec in the English language is disrespectful to both local customs and the native Anglophone Quebecer population. It is a politicized issue, and in choosing to write these placenames with an accent, Wikipedia's administrators show support for a contentious point of view which many Anglophones consider slightly offensive, demonstrating a lack of Neutral Point of View.
This may be avoided entirely by using the proper English names of Montreal and Quebec, which are accepted in both the larger English speaking community and the native Quebec population (for use in English), and are not considered offensive even to ultranationalists who would prefer the complete removal or assimilation of Anglo-Quebecer population.
I ask, then, why the Wikipedia administration continues to insult not only the Anglophone Quebecer population (by disregarding their existence) but also the Quebec population at large (by imposing their outside view of how things should be written rather than how Quebecers prefer to write them). It is especially troubling that the Bank of Montreal (no accent, but written with an accent in French as “Banque de Montréal”) was founded by Anglo-Quebecers and was originally designed to serve this minority population’s trade interests.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.53.137.52 ( talk • contribs) .
I wrote that line with the accent mark on the letter E. I am rather surprised (and somewhat disturbed) that it would be considered disrespectful or offensive at all. I had no idea how this would be interpreted in such a manner. Please do not read too much into my use of accent marks. That's simply how I spell the words in everyday life, as I do with other loanwords like café, coup d'état, fiancée, resumé, Beyoncé Knowles, Renée, etc. I had no intention of insulting anyone and would like to apologise to anyone who found that insulting. -- PFHLai 16:29, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
There seems to be some disagreement about what to do with the 10k section of the links to other wikipedias that was removed by Raul because he felt it made the language links section too large. The way I see it there are four options, enumerated below, and I think it would help to have people express their preferences and why. Dragons flight 15:37, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
What? I don't get it. Are you saying that because there is a list of 33 languages at the left, then the links at the bottom to all 250 Wikipedias should be deleted?? I definitely disagree. I would like to see a note at the top or bottom of the list of languages on the left on the main page, something like "for more languages see below", so that people will notice the links at the bottom and be able to find more Wikipedias. I would also like to see more language links on the left. The Babel page has far more than the Main Page. The more the better! (well, maybe within some limit, but 33 is way too few IMO.) If lots of languages are listed, it makes Wikipedia look good: it gives an impression that Wikipedia is supporting lots of languages, which it is. It will help the smaller Wikipedias grow by attracting non-scroller-downers like myself. Here's an idea: Make the list of languages on the Main Page at least long enough that when someone scrolls down to the bottom of the list of languages in any reasonably common browser window size, then they will have scrolled down far enough to notice the languages box at the bottom of the Main Page. Also replace "in other languages" with "in other languages (more below)" on the Main Page. -- Coppertwig 13:35, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
See also: Talk:Main Page #German Wikipedia 500,000th entry, Talk:Main Page #Provide a way to get to all the Wikipedias.
Here's another idea. Would take work to implement it, though. Maybe only worthwhile if it can be automated: below the list of about 33 languages and just above the "Complete list" link, have about 5 or 10 more languages listed. These would cycle through all the other languages. That is, each day (or each week) a different 5 or 10 languages would be listed there, so that even the very smallest Wikipedias would be listed sometimes. By the way, I'm just tickled pink that my suggestion to put a link like the "Complete list" one was taken up, and implemented so fast. What a great community Wikipedia is! -- Coppertwig 03:47, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
The "on this day" entry -- "1988 - The Palestinian National Council declared the independence of the State of Palestine" -- links directly to an NPOV page on the so-called "Palestinian National Council". This is an obsolete, unelected body chartered by the Arab League and trotted out for special occasions. The declaration had no effect whatsoever, and was generally ignored by Arafat's Palestine Authority.
wWho visits Wikipedia more? Americans Or the English? Zabrak 00:59, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
The obvious answer - Australians. It should be au.wikipedia.org - only joking :D Blackjack4124 10:43, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Is today a sort of Polish day in this project? FA, DYK, and Selected anniversaries all start with Polish entries. By looking at Main Page, one may believe he has come to Polish wikipedia, translated in English. -- Ghirla -трёп- 08:57, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
It is not a bias but occasional country-centrism. T:TDYK directs the updating admins: "Try to avoid country-centrism and topic-centrism. Wikipedia is a general-interest encyclopedia with a global audience. No DYK installment should have more than two entries relating to one country, topic, or issue, and no more than one is even better." What's the point of this requirement on DYK, if other Main Page templates may cover the same country or topic, as they do today? -- Ghirla -трёп- 12:09, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Its odd but doesn't bother me- as long as its only one day! Unless it becomes a pattern and we start having to many Poland Days or whatever else Days I can't see a problem. Obviously the English-speaking countries will tend to be overrepresented on the main page as this is the English-language wiki and all the wikis are unavoidably biased or centred in favour of the countries where their languages are dominant. Even still there are enough Anglophone countries that no one should dominate. My point - one Poland Day :-) is okay, just shouldn't happen again anytime soon.-- Dreko 17:49, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Milton Friedman passed away today. He is a legend in the field of economics and should be in the "In the news" section. His pic should be pictured as well. Why hasn't this been done? Zachorious 21:51, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Friedman is internationally known wherever people study economics - i.e. everywhere. He should definetly get a spot 'in the news', he is much more well known that the three people who are in 'the news' today: Nadarajah Raviraj, Joseph Kabila, Ségolène Royal. With all due respect to politicians, the world does not end with them.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 23:22, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
His influence was quite extensive. If you were to ask on a person a street to name three economists of the 20th century he would definetly be there. Compared to Nadarajah Raviraj, Joseph Kabila, Ségolène Royal his name is way more widely recognized (some people may say for better or worse). He should be in the section. It may provoke controversy but that's not a standard that an information source and an encyclopedia should adhere too. radek 04:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
The comment that Friedman at 94 wasn't contributing to his field in recent years is bunk. His last contribution to the Wall Street Journal was published the day after his death (previously scheduled), and he was writing articles for scholarly journals in the months before he died (see the Rutgers Magazine article on him here). I think the intellectual impetus for the defeat of communism at the end of the cold war (he advised Reagan, Nixon, and other cold warriors how to defeat the soviet union), and that his works not only were widely read in the Soviet sphere of influence and inspired hope in the people under the communists and after communism fell laid the groundwork for their societies being rebuilt as successful economies. In the 1970s, his intellectual arguments brought about the end of the military draft in the United States! Check Google News, Friedman's death was on the front page of every major American newspaper and most of the major newspapers and television news programs across the globe. I didn't even know who Raviraj was until now. Raviraj might have been killed in his prime in a minor, insignificant conflict (on an island no one cares about) most of the world doesn't know is going on, but Friedman was the mind that gave birth to the greatest contributions to human freedom in 200 almost years. As to the ITN policy...(b) the deceased was a key figure in their field of expertise, and died unexpectedly or tragically. Key figure, yes. Died unexpectedly...everyone could be said to die unexpectedly. Especially so when they were relatively healthy the last time someone spoke to them (like Friedman was a couple of weeks ago when i talked to him last). Heart Failure can have sudden onset, and just because someone is 94 doesn't mean you should write them off as dead before their in the ground...think Jeanne Calment (died at 122) or the legendary 16th century Briton John Parr (150) (who I also add died "unexpectedly" because the food he ate at the king's feast in his honour was likely too rich for him). Your reasonings are specious, and your adherence to an interpretation of policies unsound. — ExplorerCDT 19:18, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Whats with the main logo being changed to a picture of some guy? Joshlmay 21:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
The first topic in ITN, DYK, OTD and the featured picture all involve women! Clearly, Wikipedia is being run by a feminist cabal ;-) — Cuivi é nen 02:31, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
One could just as easily say that there is a Californian bias, with three of the five main page pics. ;) Afn 15:57, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I think we should change the way Wikipedia searches a little. Not a major change, just a small one. We should make the search for "a" different than "a/an" or "i" different than "I". And acronyms such as CAT scan (instead of "cat"), except if they are widely used with miniscule letters such as "laser". Randfan 00:46, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
So? I'm sure if we post the same about Hillary Clinton in '08, there will be accusations of U.S. bias. Also, why are we endorsing a candidate? And don't tell me the piece is NPOV. Just having it there is free advertising. -- Nelson Ricardo 11:28, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
She's cute, so she should be the next president of France. Either her or preferrably, Alizee. All the other news outlets are gaga over Segolene Royal, so why shouldn't Wikipedia follow suit? --—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.76.33.8 ( talk • contribs) 02:26, 19 November 2006
Can someone fix the serious front page vandalism already - the main article points to a vandalised San Francisco article! (C_California) (ok fixed now finally strange that a featured article was not locked.). Orbitalia 16:12/16:49, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
The featured article, first DYK and featured picture all have something to do with California. Wikipedia is clearly run by Californians.
Please update main page, Czech Wikipedia now have more than 50.000 articles. :) -- Ragimiri 19:08, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed that the main page doesn't have all the interwikis of the main pages of other wikipedias not even of some of the bigger ones(<10.000 articles). Please someone with admin rights could change that . -- Noumenorian 21:12, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
In the blub on today's featured picture (cheetah) why does its acceleration have to be compared to two cars (aside from the fighter plane)? I can agree there is a progression from a car to a fighter plane (accelerates faster than a supercar or even a fighter plane), but isn't it redundant to name two cars? Does it really tell much except for the fact that the writer is a car-enthusiast? Just a thought... Cribananda 07:08, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
The Swedish mainpage was recently moved to the portal namespace, because it is a portal, and not an article... Something to think about on enwiki as well? / Grillo 10:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I just want to thank whoever it was that had the brilliant idea to make a picture of someone's poo in a bowl one click away from the front page. :) -- Robbrown 22:30, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Since these allegations of country-specific bias keep cropping up, it seems to me we have only one solution. We need to nominate someone to become an evil maniac bent on controlling the world (like in movies and cartoons). Any volunteers? Once this person is successful, he or she can prevent country specific bias by controlling world events. For example, tomorrow's FA is on some American comedy performance. So no events from America that merit inclusion in ITN tomorrow please. The next day it a Russian composer so no events from Russia. Alternatively, we can try asking these guys Bilderberg Group for help...? Nil Einne 09:39, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I notice that the View the Animation link on the main page takes the reader to the image page of the image, which includes all the notices associated with the image. Do we really need for the casual reader to read notices about temporary uploading and all the file links associated with it? Wouldn't it make more sense to just transclude the image into a clean and empty subpage which we link to from the main page, so the reader sees only what they expect to see, the animated image? NoSeptember 12:37, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
You're all biased to people who bias bias. Nobody's removed a user's joke comment joke about a mediawiki feature planned to send all bias talk to /dev/null! This is atrocious.
80.41.251.238 13:51, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Just a simple request: I would very much appreciate it if the editors/authors would use a 'justified alignment' for the texts, it reads so much nicer! Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MStefSB ( talk • contribs) 16:37, 20 November 2006 (UTC).
ITN hasn't been changed in almost 48 hours I think. There must be something interesting happening in the world that deserves a mention. Antimatter 17:25, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I just thought it was worth mentioning....wikipedia (and wikinews) is my primary news source...it's almost as if the world is slowing down so that I can catch up with it...strange. Antimatter 01:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Let's see... I've just updated the Vietnamese Wikipedia's ITN section to include NASDAQ's bid to buy out the London Stock Exchange, Kofi Annan's call against intervention by Somalia's neighbors into the Somali Civil War, the APEC and G20 summits that wrapped up on Sunday, and India's test of the Prithvi Missile System. There's plenty going on. – Minh Nguyễn ( talk, contribs) 07:07, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Some of those sound pretty good, perhaps some of them should be added (if a bias complaint can be averted) Antimatter 07:12, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
There's also Obrador vowing to establish a "parallel government". All this stuff's on Current events. – Minh Nguyễn ( talk, contribs) 08:27, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
"The Russian security service denies any involvement." This is almost the same as saying that they are probably involved. After all the CIA will say they're not involved either but you're not mentioning this. Please just remove that line. Piet | Talk 13:25, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, the German Wikipedia is about to have its 500,000th article. Should a new section on the frontpage be created for it? After all it's 10 times as big as the Wikipedias with 50,000+ entries. Jrielaecher 13:47, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
The section is a bit misleading as it is. The 50k+ heading doesn't really describe well wikipedias that are an order of magnitude larger than that. We can't let the visual balance of sections trump functionality. Maybe we should go for something spacey, like the following (relative sizes based on the 4th root of the number of articles).
Zocky |
picture popups 17:47, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
العربية · български · català · čeština · dansk · Deutsch · English · Esperanto
español · eesti · suomi · français · עברית · hrvatski · magyar · Bahasa Indonesia
italiano · 日本語 · 한국어 · lietuvių · Nederlands · norsk · polski ·
português · română · русский · slovenčina · slovenščina · српски / srpski · svenska
తెలుగు · Türkçe · українська · 中文
I was bashing around for that "50,000+" listing because there were already several Wikipediae with more than 250,000 articles. I wasn't heard, but after it was changed back to 100,000 recently all I can say is: Don't change it. The French Wikipedia will have 400,000 articles very soon, as the third largest WP it should be within the same group as the German one. An own section for one or two entries doesn't make sense. -- 32X 22:39, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I would also create the 500.000 section. --
Nrainer 11:01, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Is this kosher? Don't we have a policy of no unfree images outside of articlespace? - crz crztalk 16:36, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
The link to Functionalism in DYK goes to a disambig page. It should go to Functionalism (architecture). Can someone correct this? MrVoluntarist 17:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Okay now this is weird: why doesn't the correction that was just made to functionalism's link appear in the main page's history? Or in the DYK history? MrVoluntarist 17:52, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
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Surely a better article could be found than that? Calling what Colbert did as 'satire' doesn't adequately describe it. This was supposed to be entertainment, but was turned into an outright attack which amused only democrats...and not all of them. To say it was controversial, likewise falls short of the mark. Did someone pay to have this article featured? Brian Pearson 17:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it's politically charged, but it certainly qualifies as a good article...I would say FA quality. Well referenced and fairly objective. The subjectivity lies in the fact that it was chosen as featured article of the day, not necessarily the content of the article itself. Featured articles frequently raise controversy like this, but I didn't even know there was an article on this subject at all....now the fact that it is featured only goes to show what a remarkable process of information exchange took place to bring the article to its current condition. As far as being a testament to the use of Wikipedia as a compendium of knowledge, I say it was a good choice. (although the fact that it wasn't published as the featured article of the day until after the midterm elections is an issue of some sensitivity) Antimatter 20:03, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
For each language Wikipedia, surely there must have been a time when it had only 1 article. I like the idea of encouraging the small wikis to grow. Here's an idea: On every page, or at least on the main page, at the bottom of the list of languages at the left, have one more link marked "...other". It would link to a page that has a list of every language Wiki, even the ones that are just starting and have only 1 article. It would link to an article on that Wiki, it doesn't matter much which article, even if the Wiki doesn't have a Main Page, because once you've navigated to that one article, you can then start creating pages and writing articles for that Wiki. At the moment I'm frustrated because I don't see any way to find a list of all the languages. The Wikipedia:Babel page has the most that I've seen, but I suspect there may be more. There should be a way to find a list of all of them. And it should not be too hard to find. One link from the home page is not too much to ask, I think. -- Coppertwig 02:15, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I've now installed an "Other languages..." link to the bottom of the interwikis through javascript (tested in recent versions of IE and firefox). You may have to clear your cache to see it (Ctrl-F5 on IE/Firefox for Windows). Dragons flight 22:44, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
This hack to put the complete list on the sidebar looks really good. Good work, DF and DL! The update to Special:Statistics looks good as well. Now, when will the proposed new sidebar be ready... ;-) Carcharoth 01:15, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
I posted this on the Error page, but felt mentioning it here might be beneficial. There seems to be a lax practice on Wikipedia to refer to anything British as English, and link appropriately. After 1603 there's the union of the crowns, but it's still legally fine to refer to England and Scotland seperately. No problem there.
The problem is referring to events after 1707 as "English", and linking to England or such. There is no England as a sovereign entity after the Act of Union. No Scotland either. It's Great Britain.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kaenei ( talk • contribs) 07:48, 22 November 2006 (UTC).
One can continue to describe things as English or Scottish, people do. But when the Royal Navy, which draws and has drawn manpower, taxes and ships from across Great Britain and its sailors are referred to as English, that's just simply wrong. It's merely the point that Scotland and England(& Wales) together are Great Britain, together with Northern Ireland are the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and not simply "England." It's just question of simply terminology.
Kaenei 13:42, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Somehwat connected to the entirely valid gripe above - It should refer to British sailors, not English. siarach 07:55, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
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