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Since it would be confusing to readers to have different criteria for two versions of the same list, one sorted by name and one sorted by nationality, I updated this list to use the same altitude definition used by other lists and articles on space travel. See the article Astronaut for an example. Rillian ( talk) 17:00, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
The most recent edits address, I believe, all the issues and corrects the errors, and allows readers to choose which lists and criteria they wish to utilize. RandomCritic ( talk) 20:31, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
This is especially for User:Rillian, but also anyone else who wants to change the numbers without thinking about what they represent. If, for instance, you count East Germany separately from West Germany/Germany, you cannot simply add 1 to the "other countries" total. You have to subtract 1 from the total for Germany. Likewise, Anousheh Ansari can be considered Iranian or American but not both; if you add 1 for Ansari to the "other countries", you have to subtract 1 from USA. And so forth. And then you have to make changes to the lists below to match the table. Frankly, trying to make this list match List of space travelers by name or Timeline of space travel by nationality is a bad idea, because this is a much more self-consistent and frequently and consistently updated list. Probably the other two lists ought to be fixed to match this list, rather than the other way around. But it should also be considered that the lists have different purposes; the "Timeline", for instance, takes a specifically diachronic view, while this list considers the situation at the present time. RandomCritic ( talk) 14:47, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
I have added a ^ to the name of NASA astronauts (A & B, so far) that are listed as active. I thought this would improve this list as the active astronauts are the ones that could have new flights added. user:mnw2000 03:15, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Penyulap ( talk) 05:57, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
The use of randomly selected images degrades the quality of this article, and / or the use individual editor's favorite Astronaut's image is not possible in this article, it violates WP:Neutrality, this article lists more than 300 individuals and if all 300+ images were included in order to keep it Neutral, it would cause technical problems for some browsers and users with slow internet connections. The use of a limited number of images according to a logical or popular order is possible, such as first man and first woman in space, first person on the moon, and so forth. The notability of these people and their accomplishments allows them to be included.
A similar use of images occurs on other pages, please see their talkpages here and here.
Please state if you want to keep or remove these images Penyulap talk 14:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Sharman's total appears to be included as part of ESA's. The UK Government was a member of ESA at the time of her flight, but has never been part of ESA's manned spaceflight programme. Sharman's trip was privately funded and had no connection to either ESA or the UK Government. Therefore her flight should not be included within ESA totals. Furthermore, the UK is not capable of manned spaceflight (contrary to the map) as it is not part of any manned spaceflight programme - UK citizens have only travelled into space under programmes funded privately and/or by other nations. The UK has never had either the intention or the capability of deliberately placing any of its citizens into space, either alone or in collaboration with other nations, with the exception of a proposed US space shuttle flight that never happened.
Not colouring the Czechs in just seems a tad cruel. Yes, the Czechs didn't accept successor state status to Czechoslovakia, but that was a friendly gesture to the Slovaks. Wikipedia has a tendency to make way too much of that, when not even most of international law cares. The cosmonaut in question is undoubtedly Czech, holding the citizenship of the Czech Republic at the time due to the federative arrangement within Czechoslovakia, and was the first non-superpower national in space. It was quite a milestone in spaceflight. Colour the Czechs in, please.
Is there a reason we mark women who have travelled to space with an icon but not men? Protonk ( talk) 20:41, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
I'm going to remove the NASA/non-NASA distinction and merge the United States into one list. Rationale:
I plan to keep the supplemental information about dual citizenship because that seems relevant to the purpose of the page.
List of cosmonauts appears to be entirely redundant to this list. Soviet and Russian travellers are already separately identified in this list. -- Beland ( talk) 06:56, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
List of space travelers by name lists all the same people. A sortable table could be used to list in both ways depending on what the reader clicks on. It could also segregate professionals vs. tourists and lots of other distinctions at the same time. -- Beland ( talk) 06:59, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
List of space travellers by first flight is now sortable by name and nationality. Rupertslander ( talk) 00:31, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
The table under "statistics" says in the last line:
Other countries 33 (5.96%; ♀️3)
So there should be 3 women from "other countries", but I only found 1 from UK and 1 from South Korea.
I'm sure there is another, but maybe she was mislabeled?
-- 85.159.196.177 ( talk) 11:44, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
First, if at all, this should say "... of the extreme form. Second, why is traditional space flight termed "extreme"? -- Felix Tritschler ( talk) 20:46, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
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Since it would be confusing to readers to have different criteria for two versions of the same list, one sorted by name and one sorted by nationality, I updated this list to use the same altitude definition used by other lists and articles on space travel. See the article Astronaut for an example. Rillian ( talk) 17:00, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
The most recent edits address, I believe, all the issues and corrects the errors, and allows readers to choose which lists and criteria they wish to utilize. RandomCritic ( talk) 20:31, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
This is especially for User:Rillian, but also anyone else who wants to change the numbers without thinking about what they represent. If, for instance, you count East Germany separately from West Germany/Germany, you cannot simply add 1 to the "other countries" total. You have to subtract 1 from the total for Germany. Likewise, Anousheh Ansari can be considered Iranian or American but not both; if you add 1 for Ansari to the "other countries", you have to subtract 1 from USA. And so forth. And then you have to make changes to the lists below to match the table. Frankly, trying to make this list match List of space travelers by name or Timeline of space travel by nationality is a bad idea, because this is a much more self-consistent and frequently and consistently updated list. Probably the other two lists ought to be fixed to match this list, rather than the other way around. But it should also be considered that the lists have different purposes; the "Timeline", for instance, takes a specifically diachronic view, while this list considers the situation at the present time. RandomCritic ( talk) 14:47, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
I have added a ^ to the name of NASA astronauts (A & B, so far) that are listed as active. I thought this would improve this list as the active astronauts are the ones that could have new flights added. user:mnw2000 03:15, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Penyulap ( talk) 05:57, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
The use of randomly selected images degrades the quality of this article, and / or the use individual editor's favorite Astronaut's image is not possible in this article, it violates WP:Neutrality, this article lists more than 300 individuals and if all 300+ images were included in order to keep it Neutral, it would cause technical problems for some browsers and users with slow internet connections. The use of a limited number of images according to a logical or popular order is possible, such as first man and first woman in space, first person on the moon, and so forth. The notability of these people and their accomplishments allows them to be included.
A similar use of images occurs on other pages, please see their talkpages here and here.
Please state if you want to keep or remove these images Penyulap talk 14:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Sharman's total appears to be included as part of ESA's. The UK Government was a member of ESA at the time of her flight, but has never been part of ESA's manned spaceflight programme. Sharman's trip was privately funded and had no connection to either ESA or the UK Government. Therefore her flight should not be included within ESA totals. Furthermore, the UK is not capable of manned spaceflight (contrary to the map) as it is not part of any manned spaceflight programme - UK citizens have only travelled into space under programmes funded privately and/or by other nations. The UK has never had either the intention or the capability of deliberately placing any of its citizens into space, either alone or in collaboration with other nations, with the exception of a proposed US space shuttle flight that never happened.
Not colouring the Czechs in just seems a tad cruel. Yes, the Czechs didn't accept successor state status to Czechoslovakia, but that was a friendly gesture to the Slovaks. Wikipedia has a tendency to make way too much of that, when not even most of international law cares. The cosmonaut in question is undoubtedly Czech, holding the citizenship of the Czech Republic at the time due to the federative arrangement within Czechoslovakia, and was the first non-superpower national in space. It was quite a milestone in spaceflight. Colour the Czechs in, please.
Is there a reason we mark women who have travelled to space with an icon but not men? Protonk ( talk) 20:41, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
I'm going to remove the NASA/non-NASA distinction and merge the United States into one list. Rationale:
I plan to keep the supplemental information about dual citizenship because that seems relevant to the purpose of the page.
List of cosmonauts appears to be entirely redundant to this list. Soviet and Russian travellers are already separately identified in this list. -- Beland ( talk) 06:56, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
List of space travelers by name lists all the same people. A sortable table could be used to list in both ways depending on what the reader clicks on. It could also segregate professionals vs. tourists and lots of other distinctions at the same time. -- Beland ( talk) 06:59, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
List of space travellers by first flight is now sortable by name and nationality. Rupertslander ( talk) 00:31, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
The table under "statistics" says in the last line:
Other countries 33 (5.96%; ♀️3)
So there should be 3 women from "other countries", but I only found 1 from UK and 1 from South Korea.
I'm sure there is another, but maybe she was mislabeled?
-- 85.159.196.177 ( talk) 11:44, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
First, if at all, this should say "... of the extreme form. Second, why is traditional space flight termed "extreme"? -- Felix Tritschler ( talk) 20:46, 31 March 2022 (UTC)