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I do not think that the difficulties of maintaining two lists is worth any advantage of having them. One of the lists is incomplete even now. Goldfritha 02:28, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Ok good points i agree they should be merged but Goldfritha please help me with the list i am working on just look at the talk page it has what needs to be transferred-- Alpha774 02:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I do not want to lose the talk page which has everything that needs to be added to the article so please help me then we'll merge the articles -- Alpha774 02:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree with banana04131's comment but let's finish the by place of origin one then merge -- Alpha774 04:07, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I am done with it note this is my other account-- Jesusmyth 05:04, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I got rid of the old version because there were many different table and they were of different widths also you can use control f for editing and also i am working on the table of contents and just recently made a correction on the list apparently a italian story was listed under german -- Jesusmyth 18:09, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I merged them and am making some edits to the alphabetical list for example the author, collection, dates, and origin are not linked on many of his so i am linking some also i changed all the lapp under origin to the more common term sami on the alpha list -- Jesusmyth 19:10, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I disagree let's see what Goldfritha says -- Jesusmyth 00:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC) Also i am not sure exactly what you are talking about please explain but you are saying something about removing one list which i disagree with-- Jesusmyth 00:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC) are you saying we shouldn't list their origin if they're on the alpha list if so i disagree because someone might want to use the alpha list to find out where a certain tale is from -- Jesusmyth 00:28, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Please don't delete mine someone might want to look up tales of a certain place and me and banana04131 worked hard on it don't delete it-- Jesusmyth 02:49, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
how about making the top list into either list of fairy tales from germany of list of german fairy tales for the german tales and just split it up into seperate articles what do you think? -- Jesusmyth 02:53, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Do you think we should split the place of origin into seperate articles list of spanish fairy tales, list of russian fairy tales, list of german fairy tales, list of italian fairy tales, etc. -- Jesusmyth 02:53, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Why can't we have the place of origin as a list of links for example list of arabic fairy tales list of english fairy tales list of german fairy tales
i think we should split the place of origin section up into smaller sections-- Jesusmyth 03:22, 1 February 2007 (UTC) Having seperate articles is preferable and does not take too much space-- Jesusmyth 03:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Many people like fairy tales of a specific region and like to know where they are from-- Jesusmyth 03:49, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
I moved 'Boy who cried wolf' into place alphabetically because it was the first 'B' listed. I also changed it to read 'The boy who cried wolf', so it now has the same title as the wiki artical it links to. EmilyMckenzie ( talk) 17:10, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
I do not think that Alice in Wonderland counts as a fairy tale: what are the criteria for fairy tales by which these were selected? Disney movies?
I agree with the first post under this section. Alice is not a fairy tale, mostly because it did not come out of an oral tradition. The page for fairy tale on Wikipedia specifically says it is told orally. Alice is the work of one man and though it was told orally to Alice Liddell and her sisters, that version is not the same as the published version beloved around the world. Also, unlike Grimm, Anderson, and Perrault, it was not inspired by tales commonly told to children. Or, if it was, it was a spoof on the didactic literature being published for children in Victorian England. The Alice books may be considered classics in Children's Literature, but they are no more fairy tales than The Wizard of Oz or The Chronicles of Narnia.
It seems to me that there are a number of "tales" on this list that are actually just children's novels. Who wants to do the risky task of going through and deleting them, though? musicalmeg20 ( talk) 09:38, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
I think it would be good to discuss religious works and their listing in this article. I think that since there is a list of religious works here, they should not be listed on this article as well. Also, listing them here implies that they are not true (that they are fairy tales), which is impossible to prove/ disprove, regardless of the religion. Tnxman307 ( talk) 16:04, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh come on! I'm about as fervent an atheist as it gets, and even I can see that calling the Bible a fairy tale is extremely POV. I don't particularly care if the sensibilities of Christians are offended, but including the Bible and other religious texts still in use on this list is an unacceptable violation of WP:NPOV. VanTucky talk 20:48, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. I stopped reverting User:Largestill, per 3RR. Thanks for giving your input as well. Tnxman307 ( talk) 20:57, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
The Bible ought to be included. It's full of fairy tales. Completely meets the criteria. No matter how many people believe certain related events "really happened." Matt2h ( talk) 22:11, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
This list has become so long that Mozilla exhausts its patience twice, when I hit one of the sort arrows. How about splitting it up according to the Aarne-Thompson classification system? — Sebastian 05:18, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
I am removing works listed which have neither an article nor a citation, unless I am able to find a citation. I have removed these: ! Amun, and the ugly beast | 1030 | Spain | Juan de Timoneda
! Big Claus and Little Claus | Danish | Hans Christian Andersen
! Garbancito | Spanish
! John, the soldier | 1859 | Spain | Fernán Caballero | Cuentos populares andaluces
!
Marcelino, bread and wine
|
1953
| Spanish
|
José María Sánchez-Silva
!
The Red Hen
| English
! The Sleeping Knight | Polish
! Tom Tom and his Apple Machine | 2007 | English | Tenstone Yiptake | Marvellous tales for Marvellous Children
! The Walnut Baby ! 2010 | Piglatin | Mr.Peanut | Nut stories and other tales.
Some stories I have not removed but have left with a citation. ~~ Andrew Keenan Richardson~~ 04:44, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
...then I am going to ruthlessly purge a hell of a lot of crud from this list. And my criteria is going to be gut feeling. Egg Centric 02:39, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
I have the Oxford Companion the Fairy Tales by Jack Zipes but have been busy (it's the holiday season!) and haven't had time to check each against his book. A quick scan shows that most in the list are in collections, and the few that aren't such as Charlotte de la Force's for sure are fairy tales. The lead needs a complete rewrite, but I can do that, or anyone else. What it takes is good scholarly sources, time spent reading and synthesizing the material, and time to write well. Will return here in January. Truthkeeper ( talk) 14:23, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Furthermore, Alice in Wonderland is called a fairy tale by Jack Zipes who is the preeminent scholar in the field. Bambi is not in his book, but would like to research that a bit more before pulling. What we do is check sources before threatening a purge. So that I don't have to spend the enormous amount of time that it will take to check every entry, can EggCentric please put together a list of what they think should be purged, with a list of sources they've checked? I'll then check my literature to see what I can come up with. Thanks. Truthkeeper ( talk) 15:26, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
If anyone here is interested on working on this list, I think it might be worthwhile to separate into separate tables for fairy tales by country - i.e, Germany, France, etc. I have sources that I can use to write a little blurb at the beginning of each table. Also we have really a lot of images for fairy tales, so a section could be added to each row for images - which could spruce up the tables a bit. With some work, this actually could be a really nice list. In the process we could pull out the ones that don't fit the criteria. This would be long-term project and I haven't a lot of time to help, but would be willing to write the prose when the tables are sorted out. Truthkeeper ( talk) 00:47, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Hello, I'm working with OCLC, and we are algorithmically generating data about different Genres, like notable Authors, Book, Movies, Subjects, Characters and Places. We have determined that this Wikipedia page has a close affintity to our detected Genere of fairy-tales. It might be useful to look at [1] for more information. Thanks. Maximilianklein ( talk) 23:13, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
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Adding external links directly in the lists violates WP:ELLIST. I think it's fair to just purge them on sight.
Yes, they can be kept if they are inline-cited, but the onus should be on the person adding that link to go through the tedium, and unfair to dump the chore on others. What do other editors think on this? -- Kiyoweap ( talk) 21:28, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
There are a lot of duplicated citations in this article, contributing to its length. I will consolidate them (by which I mean make callouts refer to a single instance of each citation, as in other articles). I will do this one citation at a time, at least to start with, so that the differences are clear. This will probably take some time: normal editing for other reasons can continue uninterrupted. -- Mirokado ( talk) 19:51, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
I've now done the first two. I'm thinking that since many of these callouts are preceded by the book title, it will be much better to link that directly to a list of citations in the references section. More later... -- Mirokado ( talk) 22:16, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
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I do not think that the difficulties of maintaining two lists is worth any advantage of having them. One of the lists is incomplete even now. Goldfritha 02:28, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Ok good points i agree they should be merged but Goldfritha please help me with the list i am working on just look at the talk page it has what needs to be transferred-- Alpha774 02:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I do not want to lose the talk page which has everything that needs to be added to the article so please help me then we'll merge the articles -- Alpha774 02:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree with banana04131's comment but let's finish the by place of origin one then merge -- Alpha774 04:07, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I am done with it note this is my other account-- Jesusmyth 05:04, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I got rid of the old version because there were many different table and they were of different widths also you can use control f for editing and also i am working on the table of contents and just recently made a correction on the list apparently a italian story was listed under german -- Jesusmyth 18:09, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I merged them and am making some edits to the alphabetical list for example the author, collection, dates, and origin are not linked on many of his so i am linking some also i changed all the lapp under origin to the more common term sami on the alpha list -- Jesusmyth 19:10, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I disagree let's see what Goldfritha says -- Jesusmyth 00:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC) Also i am not sure exactly what you are talking about please explain but you are saying something about removing one list which i disagree with-- Jesusmyth 00:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC) are you saying we shouldn't list their origin if they're on the alpha list if so i disagree because someone might want to use the alpha list to find out where a certain tale is from -- Jesusmyth 00:28, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Please don't delete mine someone might want to look up tales of a certain place and me and banana04131 worked hard on it don't delete it-- Jesusmyth 02:49, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
how about making the top list into either list of fairy tales from germany of list of german fairy tales for the german tales and just split it up into seperate articles what do you think? -- Jesusmyth 02:53, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Do you think we should split the place of origin into seperate articles list of spanish fairy tales, list of russian fairy tales, list of german fairy tales, list of italian fairy tales, etc. -- Jesusmyth 02:53, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Why can't we have the place of origin as a list of links for example list of arabic fairy tales list of english fairy tales list of german fairy tales
i think we should split the place of origin section up into smaller sections-- Jesusmyth 03:22, 1 February 2007 (UTC) Having seperate articles is preferable and does not take too much space-- Jesusmyth 03:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Many people like fairy tales of a specific region and like to know where they are from-- Jesusmyth 03:49, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
I moved 'Boy who cried wolf' into place alphabetically because it was the first 'B' listed. I also changed it to read 'The boy who cried wolf', so it now has the same title as the wiki artical it links to. EmilyMckenzie ( talk) 17:10, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
I do not think that Alice in Wonderland counts as a fairy tale: what are the criteria for fairy tales by which these were selected? Disney movies?
I agree with the first post under this section. Alice is not a fairy tale, mostly because it did not come out of an oral tradition. The page for fairy tale on Wikipedia specifically says it is told orally. Alice is the work of one man and though it was told orally to Alice Liddell and her sisters, that version is not the same as the published version beloved around the world. Also, unlike Grimm, Anderson, and Perrault, it was not inspired by tales commonly told to children. Or, if it was, it was a spoof on the didactic literature being published for children in Victorian England. The Alice books may be considered classics in Children's Literature, but they are no more fairy tales than The Wizard of Oz or The Chronicles of Narnia.
It seems to me that there are a number of "tales" on this list that are actually just children's novels. Who wants to do the risky task of going through and deleting them, though? musicalmeg20 ( talk) 09:38, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
I think it would be good to discuss religious works and their listing in this article. I think that since there is a list of religious works here, they should not be listed on this article as well. Also, listing them here implies that they are not true (that they are fairy tales), which is impossible to prove/ disprove, regardless of the religion. Tnxman307 ( talk) 16:04, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh come on! I'm about as fervent an atheist as it gets, and even I can see that calling the Bible a fairy tale is extremely POV. I don't particularly care if the sensibilities of Christians are offended, but including the Bible and other religious texts still in use on this list is an unacceptable violation of WP:NPOV. VanTucky talk 20:48, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. I stopped reverting User:Largestill, per 3RR. Thanks for giving your input as well. Tnxman307 ( talk) 20:57, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
The Bible ought to be included. It's full of fairy tales. Completely meets the criteria. No matter how many people believe certain related events "really happened." Matt2h ( talk) 22:11, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
This list has become so long that Mozilla exhausts its patience twice, when I hit one of the sort arrows. How about splitting it up according to the Aarne-Thompson classification system? — Sebastian 05:18, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
I am removing works listed which have neither an article nor a citation, unless I am able to find a citation. I have removed these: ! Amun, and the ugly beast | 1030 | Spain | Juan de Timoneda
! Big Claus and Little Claus | Danish | Hans Christian Andersen
! Garbancito | Spanish
! John, the soldier | 1859 | Spain | Fernán Caballero | Cuentos populares andaluces
!
Marcelino, bread and wine
|
1953
| Spanish
|
José María Sánchez-Silva
!
The Red Hen
| English
! The Sleeping Knight | Polish
! Tom Tom and his Apple Machine | 2007 | English | Tenstone Yiptake | Marvellous tales for Marvellous Children
! The Walnut Baby ! 2010 | Piglatin | Mr.Peanut | Nut stories and other tales.
Some stories I have not removed but have left with a citation. ~~ Andrew Keenan Richardson~~ 04:44, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
...then I am going to ruthlessly purge a hell of a lot of crud from this list. And my criteria is going to be gut feeling. Egg Centric 02:39, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
I have the Oxford Companion the Fairy Tales by Jack Zipes but have been busy (it's the holiday season!) and haven't had time to check each against his book. A quick scan shows that most in the list are in collections, and the few that aren't such as Charlotte de la Force's for sure are fairy tales. The lead needs a complete rewrite, but I can do that, or anyone else. What it takes is good scholarly sources, time spent reading and synthesizing the material, and time to write well. Will return here in January. Truthkeeper ( talk) 14:23, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
Furthermore, Alice in Wonderland is called a fairy tale by Jack Zipes who is the preeminent scholar in the field. Bambi is not in his book, but would like to research that a bit more before pulling. What we do is check sources before threatening a purge. So that I don't have to spend the enormous amount of time that it will take to check every entry, can EggCentric please put together a list of what they think should be purged, with a list of sources they've checked? I'll then check my literature to see what I can come up with. Thanks. Truthkeeper ( talk) 15:26, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
If anyone here is interested on working on this list, I think it might be worthwhile to separate into separate tables for fairy tales by country - i.e, Germany, France, etc. I have sources that I can use to write a little blurb at the beginning of each table. Also we have really a lot of images for fairy tales, so a section could be added to each row for images - which could spruce up the tables a bit. With some work, this actually could be a really nice list. In the process we could pull out the ones that don't fit the criteria. This would be long-term project and I haven't a lot of time to help, but would be willing to write the prose when the tables are sorted out. Truthkeeper ( talk) 00:47, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Hello, I'm working with OCLC, and we are algorithmically generating data about different Genres, like notable Authors, Book, Movies, Subjects, Characters and Places. We have determined that this Wikipedia page has a close affintity to our detected Genere of fairy-tales. It might be useful to look at [1] for more information. Thanks. Maximilianklein ( talk) 23:13, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
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Adding external links directly in the lists violates WP:ELLIST. I think it's fair to just purge them on sight.
Yes, they can be kept if they are inline-cited, but the onus should be on the person adding that link to go through the tedium, and unfair to dump the chore on others. What do other editors think on this? -- Kiyoweap ( talk) 21:28, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
There are a lot of duplicated citations in this article, contributing to its length. I will consolidate them (by which I mean make callouts refer to a single instance of each citation, as in other articles). I will do this one citation at a time, at least to start with, so that the differences are clear. This will probably take some time: normal editing for other reasons can continue uninterrupted. -- Mirokado ( talk) 19:51, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
I've now done the first two. I'm thinking that since many of these callouts are preceded by the book title, it will be much better to link that directly to a list of citations in the references section. More later... -- Mirokado ( talk) 22:16, 1 April 2020 (UTC)