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What are Jenny's views on creationism being taught in schools? From the statement in the article it is not clear though it seems to hint that she is pro-creationism.
(The external link to the Epolitix article makes clear that Jenny Tonge is opposed to creationism.) 194.75.128.2 15:19, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Monbiot also made an apology. He deduced that Baroness Tonge is using satire to bring down the house of commons. http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2006/03/24/lady-tonge-an-apology/
Why is Jenny Tonge referred to as Right Honourable? She would surely only have this title if a Privy Councillor (usually a present or former Cabinet minister or leader of an opposition party). I don't know for certain that she is not a PC but if she is then this is sufficiently unusual that further elaboration would be useful. 194.75.128.2 15:19, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Jenny Tonge is not a Privy Councillor, (just checked the Privy Council Office website). I have therefore removed the designation Right Honourable. Dennett p 15:27, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
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I think some body needs to look at this to make sure it neutral, the Israel Criticism in particular . Any thoughts? 安東尼 TALK 圣诞快乐 22:31, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Why is the section on controversial comments regarding israel longer than the rest of this article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.97.26.243 ( talk) 15:28, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Having been made aware of Wikipedia:NPOV#cite_note-0 policy (which links to WP:Criticism essay), it's clear that creating a disjointed chronology to emphasize her criticism of Israel is just too POV and vs. WP:BLP. So I reorganized. Plus clarified that she's still a peer. Did a news archive search of last couple years and there hasn't been a lot about her. Some of the personal details need refs. I'll look at tomorrow. CarolMooreDC 06:42, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
I don't know if it really was Jenny Tonge editing, though the AnonIp does come from United Kingdom Richmond upon Thames. That news source did give the impression she was quitting and a few weeks back when I worked on article I couldn't find one saying she was still a member. Just found a contemporary one now: in passing mention in a Nov. 20, 2012 article about "home allowances".
There does seem to be an impression she quit as in Huffington Post article and Israel National News article. Perhaps she needs to send out a press release saying she's still a member to clear up media confusion. Or at least clue in those sources.
As for removed Yad Vashem info, in this case it was not WP:Undue under WP:Biographies of Living Persons to mention it and the article is far less of an "attack piece" than it was previously and than some other bio articles on this topic are. It does look like a bit more info from the article is warranted under WP:Biographies of Living Persons policies and I'll look at that. Though probably not tonight... CarolMooreDC 04:09, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
I looked and Yad Vashem reference is to Oona King's OpEd, even if the letter from Yad Vashem was to both of them. As I corrected, in 2003 Tonge and Oona King visited Gaza and King wrote a long piece for The Guardian ( reprint here) comparing it to the Warsaw Ghetto. It is only noted in both Haaretz and Guardian news articles that Tonge said something about the Apartheid, but when and where not identified. Definitely WP:Undue to repeat the criticism of King which is not relevant to Tonge; put it in King's article if you like. CarolMooreDC 05:34, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Jenny_Tonge.2C_Baroness_Tonge. CarolMooreDC 02:24, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
OK, I thought I'd searched highbeam, but putting in the two MPs names actually gave me at least two or more good sources, at least one of which does quote what Tonge actually said on Warsaw Ghetto. Again proving that sourcing is everything. So I'll redo per those. CarolMooreDC 15:49, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
Why is "Her support for the Palestinian people and criticism of Israel" controversial? Surely she is entitled to her opinion, and criticism of Israel is not illegal? 203.184.41.226 ( talk) 02:43, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
Article should give some indication of how her surname is pronounced... -- AnonMoos ( talk) 04:26, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Currently, the Wikipedia article on the Campaign Against Antisemitism, which is linked to from the current article, is little more than a stub. There is more information on Powerbase here. Powerbase also has an article on the Campaign's chairman, Gideon Falter, and spokesman, Jonathan Sacerdoti, here and here. Falter was at the centre of the prosecution of Foreign Office diplomat Rowan Laxton (the "Ranting Diplomat") for comments Falter and one other alleged he had made in a gym while watching a news report about the killing of a farmer in Gaza. Later, at a Crown Court appeal, a judge and two magistrates decided that Laxton had not made the comment on which the prosectution relied. [2] [3] [4] According to this Electronic Intifada article, the BBC Trust determined that the way Sacerdoti had been used in the reporting of Operation Pillar of Cloud in 2012 had breached BBC impartiality guidelines (other articles by the same author are here and here). The breach related to the failure to make clear Sacerdoti's activism on behalf of Israel ("... the interviewee was introduced without sufficient context. The BBC had not made clear to the audience that the interviewee was associated with a particular viewpoint and this had resulted in a breach of Impartiality guideline 4.4.14." [5]). Tony Greenstein wrote about the Campaign Against Antisemitism here. ← ZScarpia 00:04, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
User Epson Slats has cited this Jerusalem Post article in order state as a fact that allegations made in The Palestine Telegraph about organ harvesting by the IDF were false. However the body of that newspaper article source doesn't support the falsity claim; the only part which remotely does is the article title, and that is presented as an unattributed quote. Hopefully, an attempt to argue that such meagre support constitutes a reliable source will not be made. Note that no inquiry into the claims was launched, nor (as far as memory serves) did any Israeli authority figure officially comment on them. The wording of the rest of the section makes clear the shaky basis on which the claims were made, allowing readers to draw their own conclusions. ← ZScarpia 12:15, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
The sources clearly state as fact that the allegations are false. I'm the 3rd editor to state this quite obvious fact, vs one editor who continues to BLUDGEON. Barring more editors participating, there's no point in continuing this. No More Mr Nice Guy ( talk) 03:00, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
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From The Jewish Chronicle
[8]: 'An Israeli Embassy spokesman dismissed the allegations as “not fit to grace even the sickest of publications”. The allegations came in an article titled Focus on Israel: Harvesting Haitian Organs by an American researcher, Stephen Lendman, who accused Israel of a “crime against humanity”.' ←
ZScarpia 19:23, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
The Electronic Intifada - Jillian C. York - Israeli media first to report Haitian organ theft rumor, 19 February 2010.
The Guardian - Uri Dromi -
Comment is Free: A Lib Dem and a blood libel, 12 February 2010: "A rumour of Israel 'harvesting' organs in Haiti, given credence by Jenny Tonge, belongs to a baleful tradition of antisemitic lies."
Haaretz -
U.K. Lawmaker 'Fired Over Claims IDF Harvested Organs in Haiti', 14 February 2010: "Baroness Jenny Tonge, a Liberal Democrat lawmaker in Britain, has been fired from her position as party health spokesperson for urging a probe into claims that Israel Defense Forces soldiers harvested organs in Haiti following last month's earthquake, the Guardian reported on Saturday. ... The report added that Tonge made her accusations about the IDF mission in Haiti in the online Palestine Telegraph - of which she is a patron."
There appears to be doubt whether the Palestine Telegraph piece by Stephen Lendman did actually make claims about organ harvesting or whether it just reported that such claims were being made. Jenny Tonge was reported as having had this to say in the cited Jerusalem Post article: '“This is total rubbish, as usual! Palestine Telegraph last week had a long piece by a Jewish American on the subject of organ donation – not an editorial piece,” Tonge said in the e-mail. “It said there were postings on YouTube about organ harvesting in Haiti by the large team sent out by Israel to help! The JC asked for a comment, as I am a patron of the Palestine Telegraph. I actually congratulated Israel for their prompt response to the disaster and said that if allegations were being made they should conduct an inquiry to dispel any rumors. OK? It is quite ludicrous – organs would be useless in that situation anyway and it is a nonsense suggestion.' However, the piece Lendman wrote on his blog about organ harvesting allegations ( Focus on Israel: Harvesting Haitian Organs), though it mostly reports what others have said, does conclude near the end that what was being alleged about IDF activities in Haiti contained truth: "Its medical teams apparently are doing it in Haiti, exploiting fresh corpses and the living." Towards the middle of the blog piece, Lendman says that in 2002 Israeli journalists broke news of a scandal involving organ trafficking by the Abu Kabir Forensic Institute, which probably bears on the credence he gives to activities in Haiti. ← ZScarpia 23:25, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
Online articles about the harvesting of organs by the Abu Kabir Forensic Institute near Tel Aviv:
See the
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After having indicated on the NPOV noticeboard that he would accept the word "baseless"
[9], the exact adjective used in the third source, Epson Salts reverted
here using the edit summary, "Your refusal to let this go made me change my mind. This phrasing is better, and it is fully supported by 3 sources, and a consensus of editors on the Talk page)." ←
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The penultimate paragraph starting "Tonge chaired a meeting of the Palestine Return Council at the House of Lords - - -" needs changing, for two reasons: (a) as it stands it does not report the content, the topic and other important aspects of the meeting, and; (b) it misleadingly suggests Tonge was in a position to "reproach or redress" a member of the audience (not one of the invited speakers) who it alleges to have claimed Jews ‘provoked’ their own genocide. She was in no position to "reproach or redress" the person in question, as he spoke rapidly and in a fashion that made him virtually incomprehensible. I was an eye-witness to all this.
The meeting was seriously misreported in the Press, creating considerable irritation among those who attended. Many of these can, if required, attest to what I state here.
I ask that the penultimate paragraph be redrafted as follows:
"On October 25th 2016 she chaired a meeting in the House of Lords organised by the Palestinian Return Centre. The purpose was to launch a campaign to get the UK government to apologise for not fulfilling the second part of the Balfour Declaration, which says “nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine”. During the meeting a member of the audience, a rabbi from the Neturei Karta sect of Judaism, made a barely audible and muddled speech that the Chair ignored, before giving another audience member the opportunity to speak. The next morning press reports appeared blaming the chair for not silencing the rabbi’s allegedly anti-Semitic comments. The Liberal Democrats suspended her from the party immediately, but without investigating the matter. Bs Tonge chose to resign, and now sits as an Independent peer in the House of Lords". Melepsipo ( talk) 12:19, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
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Regarding the 25 October 2016 meeting of the Palestine Return Council at the House of Lords (that Baroness Tonge chaired), the entry fails to state that she was completely exonerated by the Lords Commissioners after they investigated and examined a video of the event. The citation is https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201617/ldselect/ldprivi/142/142.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.90.182.99 ( talk) 16:36, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
I suggest that the citation for the article, Kennedy, Dominic (27 October 2016). "Jews blamed for Holocaust at 'shameful' House of Lords event". The Times, be replaced.
1. It was the subject of a
succesful complaint to the Independent Press Standards Organisation.
2. It was at the centre of antisemitism claims made against the Palestine Return Centre which were dismissed on investigation.
[10]
[11]
[12]
[13]
3. It, or a similar article by Marcus Dysch in The Jewish Chronicle
[14]
[15], were used in a book by Tom Bower which was serialised in The Mail on Sunday, which later caused the book to be amended and the newspaper to pay damages.
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It seems to me that this page might benefit from at least two modifications. The first is that Baroness Tonge has announced that she will retire from the House of Lords on February 19th, 2021. [1]; see also e.g. [2].
The second is that a number of the remarks she has made which have engendered allegations of anti-Semitism cannot properly be understood as "comments about Israel" and/or "comments about the Gaza Strip". For example, in a tweet on August 11, 2018 that has attracted criticism, she asks: "Why have the Jewish people been persecuted over and over again throughout history? Why? I never get an answer. If we discussed this, we would be accused of anti Semitism [sic], so better not, and so it goes on!" The phrase "over and over again throughout history" makes clear that the question is not limited to persecution from 1948 onwards; it is therefore inaccurate to include this under the heading "Comments about Israel and the Gaza strip (2012–present)". Perhaps it might be most appropriate to have a heading that reads "allegations of anti-semitism"? I appreciate consideration of this matter by the wider community of editors who seem to be monitoring this page. Publius In The 21st Century ( talk) 02:00, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
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Please add a note that she is author to her autobiography “Pit Banks to Red Benches” published by Louisa Publications in September 2021. For evidence search all main online bookshops or Amazon. 82.132.239.224 ( talk) 14:48, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
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Change Deputy leader of the Labour Party to Deputy Leader of the Labour Party please!
It is not consistent. House of Nobles ( talk) 19:41, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
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What are Jenny's views on creationism being taught in schools? From the statement in the article it is not clear though it seems to hint that she is pro-creationism.
(The external link to the Epolitix article makes clear that Jenny Tonge is opposed to creationism.) 194.75.128.2 15:19, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Monbiot also made an apology. He deduced that Baroness Tonge is using satire to bring down the house of commons. http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2006/03/24/lady-tonge-an-apology/
Why is Jenny Tonge referred to as Right Honourable? She would surely only have this title if a Privy Councillor (usually a present or former Cabinet minister or leader of an opposition party). I don't know for certain that she is not a PC but if she is then this is sufficiently unusual that further elaboration would be useful. 194.75.128.2 15:19, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Jenny Tonge is not a Privy Councillor, (just checked the Privy Council Office website). I have therefore removed the designation Right Honourable. Dennett p 15:27, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
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I think some body needs to look at this to make sure it neutral, the Israel Criticism in particular . Any thoughts? 安東尼 TALK 圣诞快乐 22:31, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Why is the section on controversial comments regarding israel longer than the rest of this article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.97.26.243 ( talk) 15:28, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Having been made aware of Wikipedia:NPOV#cite_note-0 policy (which links to WP:Criticism essay), it's clear that creating a disjointed chronology to emphasize her criticism of Israel is just too POV and vs. WP:BLP. So I reorganized. Plus clarified that she's still a peer. Did a news archive search of last couple years and there hasn't been a lot about her. Some of the personal details need refs. I'll look at tomorrow. CarolMooreDC 06:42, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
I don't know if it really was Jenny Tonge editing, though the AnonIp does come from United Kingdom Richmond upon Thames. That news source did give the impression she was quitting and a few weeks back when I worked on article I couldn't find one saying she was still a member. Just found a contemporary one now: in passing mention in a Nov. 20, 2012 article about "home allowances".
There does seem to be an impression she quit as in Huffington Post article and Israel National News article. Perhaps she needs to send out a press release saying she's still a member to clear up media confusion. Or at least clue in those sources.
As for removed Yad Vashem info, in this case it was not WP:Undue under WP:Biographies of Living Persons to mention it and the article is far less of an "attack piece" than it was previously and than some other bio articles on this topic are. It does look like a bit more info from the article is warranted under WP:Biographies of Living Persons policies and I'll look at that. Though probably not tonight... CarolMooreDC 04:09, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
I looked and Yad Vashem reference is to Oona King's OpEd, even if the letter from Yad Vashem was to both of them. As I corrected, in 2003 Tonge and Oona King visited Gaza and King wrote a long piece for The Guardian ( reprint here) comparing it to the Warsaw Ghetto. It is only noted in both Haaretz and Guardian news articles that Tonge said something about the Apartheid, but when and where not identified. Definitely WP:Undue to repeat the criticism of King which is not relevant to Tonge; put it in King's article if you like. CarolMooreDC 05:34, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Jenny_Tonge.2C_Baroness_Tonge. CarolMooreDC 02:24, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
OK, I thought I'd searched highbeam, but putting in the two MPs names actually gave me at least two or more good sources, at least one of which does quote what Tonge actually said on Warsaw Ghetto. Again proving that sourcing is everything. So I'll redo per those. CarolMooreDC 15:49, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
Why is "Her support for the Palestinian people and criticism of Israel" controversial? Surely she is entitled to her opinion, and criticism of Israel is not illegal? 203.184.41.226 ( talk) 02:43, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
Article should give some indication of how her surname is pronounced... -- AnonMoos ( talk) 04:26, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Currently, the Wikipedia article on the Campaign Against Antisemitism, which is linked to from the current article, is little more than a stub. There is more information on Powerbase here. Powerbase also has an article on the Campaign's chairman, Gideon Falter, and spokesman, Jonathan Sacerdoti, here and here. Falter was at the centre of the prosecution of Foreign Office diplomat Rowan Laxton (the "Ranting Diplomat") for comments Falter and one other alleged he had made in a gym while watching a news report about the killing of a farmer in Gaza. Later, at a Crown Court appeal, a judge and two magistrates decided that Laxton had not made the comment on which the prosectution relied. [2] [3] [4] According to this Electronic Intifada article, the BBC Trust determined that the way Sacerdoti had been used in the reporting of Operation Pillar of Cloud in 2012 had breached BBC impartiality guidelines (other articles by the same author are here and here). The breach related to the failure to make clear Sacerdoti's activism on behalf of Israel ("... the interviewee was introduced without sufficient context. The BBC had not made clear to the audience that the interviewee was associated with a particular viewpoint and this had resulted in a breach of Impartiality guideline 4.4.14." [5]). Tony Greenstein wrote about the Campaign Against Antisemitism here. ← ZScarpia 00:04, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
User Epson Slats has cited this Jerusalem Post article in order state as a fact that allegations made in The Palestine Telegraph about organ harvesting by the IDF were false. However the body of that newspaper article source doesn't support the falsity claim; the only part which remotely does is the article title, and that is presented as an unattributed quote. Hopefully, an attempt to argue that such meagre support constitutes a reliable source will not be made. Note that no inquiry into the claims was launched, nor (as far as memory serves) did any Israeli authority figure officially comment on them. The wording of the rest of the section makes clear the shaky basis on which the claims were made, allowing readers to draw their own conclusions. ← ZScarpia 12:15, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
The sources clearly state as fact that the allegations are false. I'm the 3rd editor to state this quite obvious fact, vs one editor who continues to BLUDGEON. Barring more editors participating, there's no point in continuing this. No More Mr Nice Guy ( talk) 03:00, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
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From The Jewish Chronicle
[8]: 'An Israeli Embassy spokesman dismissed the allegations as “not fit to grace even the sickest of publications”. The allegations came in an article titled Focus on Israel: Harvesting Haitian Organs by an American researcher, Stephen Lendman, who accused Israel of a “crime against humanity”.' ←
ZScarpia 19:23, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
The Electronic Intifada - Jillian C. York - Israeli media first to report Haitian organ theft rumor, 19 February 2010.
The Guardian - Uri Dromi -
Comment is Free: A Lib Dem and a blood libel, 12 February 2010: "A rumour of Israel 'harvesting' organs in Haiti, given credence by Jenny Tonge, belongs to a baleful tradition of antisemitic lies."
Haaretz -
U.K. Lawmaker 'Fired Over Claims IDF Harvested Organs in Haiti', 14 February 2010: "Baroness Jenny Tonge, a Liberal Democrat lawmaker in Britain, has been fired from her position as party health spokesperson for urging a probe into claims that Israel Defense Forces soldiers harvested organs in Haiti following last month's earthquake, the Guardian reported on Saturday. ... The report added that Tonge made her accusations about the IDF mission in Haiti in the online Palestine Telegraph - of which she is a patron."
There appears to be doubt whether the Palestine Telegraph piece by Stephen Lendman did actually make claims about organ harvesting or whether it just reported that such claims were being made. Jenny Tonge was reported as having had this to say in the cited Jerusalem Post article: '“This is total rubbish, as usual! Palestine Telegraph last week had a long piece by a Jewish American on the subject of organ donation – not an editorial piece,” Tonge said in the e-mail. “It said there were postings on YouTube about organ harvesting in Haiti by the large team sent out by Israel to help! The JC asked for a comment, as I am a patron of the Palestine Telegraph. I actually congratulated Israel for their prompt response to the disaster and said that if allegations were being made they should conduct an inquiry to dispel any rumors. OK? It is quite ludicrous – organs would be useless in that situation anyway and it is a nonsense suggestion.' However, the piece Lendman wrote on his blog about organ harvesting allegations ( Focus on Israel: Harvesting Haitian Organs), though it mostly reports what others have said, does conclude near the end that what was being alleged about IDF activities in Haiti contained truth: "Its medical teams apparently are doing it in Haiti, exploiting fresh corpses and the living." Towards the middle of the blog piece, Lendman says that in 2002 Israeli journalists broke news of a scandal involving organ trafficking by the Abu Kabir Forensic Institute, which probably bears on the credence he gives to activities in Haiti. ← ZScarpia 23:25, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
Online articles about the harvesting of organs by the Abu Kabir Forensic Institute near Tel Aviv:
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After having indicated on the NPOV noticeboard that he would accept the word "baseless"
[9], the exact adjective used in the third source, Epson Salts reverted
here using the edit summary, "Your refusal to let this go made me change my mind. This phrasing is better, and it is fully supported by 3 sources, and a consensus of editors on the Talk page)." ←
ZScarpia 10:47, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
The penultimate paragraph starting "Tonge chaired a meeting of the Palestine Return Council at the House of Lords - - -" needs changing, for two reasons: (a) as it stands it does not report the content, the topic and other important aspects of the meeting, and; (b) it misleadingly suggests Tonge was in a position to "reproach or redress" a member of the audience (not one of the invited speakers) who it alleges to have claimed Jews ‘provoked’ their own genocide. She was in no position to "reproach or redress" the person in question, as he spoke rapidly and in a fashion that made him virtually incomprehensible. I was an eye-witness to all this.
The meeting was seriously misreported in the Press, creating considerable irritation among those who attended. Many of these can, if required, attest to what I state here.
I ask that the penultimate paragraph be redrafted as follows:
"On October 25th 2016 she chaired a meeting in the House of Lords organised by the Palestinian Return Centre. The purpose was to launch a campaign to get the UK government to apologise for not fulfilling the second part of the Balfour Declaration, which says “nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine”. During the meeting a member of the audience, a rabbi from the Neturei Karta sect of Judaism, made a barely audible and muddled speech that the Chair ignored, before giving another audience member the opportunity to speak. The next morning press reports appeared blaming the chair for not silencing the rabbi’s allegedly anti-Semitic comments. The Liberal Democrats suspended her from the party immediately, but without investigating the matter. Bs Tonge chose to resign, and now sits as an Independent peer in the House of Lords". Melepsipo ( talk) 12:19, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
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Regarding the 25 October 2016 meeting of the Palestine Return Council at the House of Lords (that Baroness Tonge chaired), the entry fails to state that she was completely exonerated by the Lords Commissioners after they investigated and examined a video of the event. The citation is https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201617/ldselect/ldprivi/142/142.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.90.182.99 ( talk) 16:36, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
I suggest that the citation for the article, Kennedy, Dominic (27 October 2016). "Jews blamed for Holocaust at 'shameful' House of Lords event". The Times, be replaced.
1. It was the subject of a
succesful complaint to the Independent Press Standards Organisation.
2. It was at the centre of antisemitism claims made against the Palestine Return Centre which were dismissed on investigation.
[10]
[11]
[12]
[13]
3. It, or a similar article by Marcus Dysch in The Jewish Chronicle
[14]
[15], were used in a book by Tom Bower which was serialised in The Mail on Sunday, which later caused the book to be amended and the newspaper to pay damages.
[16]
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ZScarpia 15:19, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
It seems to me that this page might benefit from at least two modifications. The first is that Baroness Tonge has announced that she will retire from the House of Lords on February 19th, 2021. [1]; see also e.g. [2].
The second is that a number of the remarks she has made which have engendered allegations of anti-Semitism cannot properly be understood as "comments about Israel" and/or "comments about the Gaza Strip". For example, in a tweet on August 11, 2018 that has attracted criticism, she asks: "Why have the Jewish people been persecuted over and over again throughout history? Why? I never get an answer. If we discussed this, we would be accused of anti Semitism [sic], so better not, and so it goes on!" The phrase "over and over again throughout history" makes clear that the question is not limited to persecution from 1948 onwards; it is therefore inaccurate to include this under the heading "Comments about Israel and the Gaza strip (2012–present)". Perhaps it might be most appropriate to have a heading that reads "allegations of anti-semitism"? I appreciate consideration of this matter by the wider community of editors who seem to be monitoring this page. Publius In The 21st Century ( talk) 02:00, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
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Please add a note that she is author to her autobiography “Pit Banks to Red Benches” published by Louisa Publications in September 2021. For evidence search all main online bookshops or Amazon. 82.132.239.224 ( talk) 14:48, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
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Change Deputy leader of the Labour Party to Deputy Leader of the Labour Party please!
It is not consistent. House of Nobles ( talk) 19:41, 25 December 2021 (UTC)