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I don't know Polish, but I came here to figure out how to same the name of this city because Gd is a bit difficult to say with English consonants. I still have no idea, but I got to write about my experience for a moment.
What does that mean? "Gdańsk is a city in Poland" would sound much less nationalistic and reflect the fact that Gdańsk/Danzig has a much more diverse history than just being a Polish city (today).
The whole article seems to be infested with polish nationalism, especially the history section. Too bad. 217.22.143.23 ( talk) 11:47, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
So, after finding some interesting information about the origin of Gdańsk's name, I decided to spend 1 hour editing it in the most proper way I could. 90 minutes later, user Marcelus decided on it's own that it was a fringe theory and deleted it. I don't pretend this information to be the thruth, apparently no one has a verified exact source, just one of the possibility but this one at least as a reference dating 350 years ago and that I added. I'm not sure Marcelus reads old french and that it took the time to check the reference. So could please someone else agree or disagree with it? In my sense it's not a fringe theory, just a theory not better or worst that any other but at least an intersting one and once again that has at least a reference. 84.75.117.147 ( talk) 13:01, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I am confused about the Gdansk/Danzig different names and I think it might be useful to clarify this in the article. Specifically, is Danzig a translation of Gdansk or a wholly different name? Was the city officially renamed or do we just use a more accurate translation now?
It also might be useful to add a sentence in Names saying the name Danzig was used a lot by english speakers in WW2 and sources about that if anyone (like me) clicks over from ww2 articles. Safes007 ( talk) 00:54, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
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I'll review this. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 22:25, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
I'll look at the sources next. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 22:58, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
I started looking at the sourcing, and I've decided to fail the article on sourcing and, to a lesser extent, on being too long and too detailed. I see the previous review also failed the article for lack of sourcing, and that reviewer added some "citation needed" tags, but judging from how you've sourced this article I don't think the message about what sourcing is needed came across. The way to think about it is that everything in the article needs to have a source. For example, if you look at the "Economy" section, you have a source for the first sentence, and for half-a-dozen of the companies listed, but you don't have a source for the second or third sentence, or for the great majority of the companies. Everything needs a source. This is far too much work to be done during a GA review.
However, the article is also too long. Some examples of excessive detail, and places where more sources would be needed if you keep some of that detail:
I won't go through every section in this way, but the same problems are apparent throughout the article. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 11:51, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
First of all, the decision was based on a simple counting of votes. I do not know what it was like in 2005, but we certainly do not make decisions in this way now. Moreover, the differences are negligible (e.g. for the period 1466 to 1793, it is 10 votes), which clearly indicates that there is no prevailing opinion.
What's more, the usus in relation to other cities with a similar history is quite different. Making Danzig and other Polish cities ( Szczecin, Wrocław etc.) with a partly German history into special cases. Without any logically identifiable justification. For example, why is Prague not referred to as "Prag" in topics concerning the period when it was inhabited mostly by German-speaking people and was part of the German states? What about Maribor/Marburg? Why do we not use the name "Kijów" for Kyiv when it was part of Poland, or even when it was mostly Polish-speaking (mid-18th century)? What about Lviv? There are many other examples.
For me, as someone who started editing English Wikipedia long after 2005, this balance is incomprehensible. Above all in relation to cities like Gdańsk, Toruń, Elbląg, which from 1454 almost until the end of the 18th century were part of the Polish state. On what basis do we use the German names to them for this period?
It seems to me that this topic has taken on a new significance with regard to decisions made in the last few years on Ukrainian place names (most notably WP:KYIV), which clearly indicate that the preferred place name also in a historical context is the modern Ukrainian version "Kyiv". Only "unambiguously historical topics" allow for the Kiev version. Why not apply an analogous rule to Gdańsk and other Polish cities with a similar history? ( Incidentally, I should note that WP:KYIV does not provide for names containing the form "Kijów" even for the period when the city was part of Poland, e.g. Kiev Voivodeship. This is a separate topic, but shows the imbalance I am talking about).
I hope that my proposal will be met with an open-minded approach and a willingness to have an informative discussion. Marcelus ( talk) 21:17, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
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I don't know Polish, but I came here to figure out how to same the name of this city because Gd is a bit difficult to say with English consonants. I still have no idea, but I got to write about my experience for a moment.
What does that mean? "Gdańsk is a city in Poland" would sound much less nationalistic and reflect the fact that Gdańsk/Danzig has a much more diverse history than just being a Polish city (today).
The whole article seems to be infested with polish nationalism, especially the history section. Too bad. 217.22.143.23 ( talk) 11:47, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
So, after finding some interesting information about the origin of Gdańsk's name, I decided to spend 1 hour editing it in the most proper way I could. 90 minutes later, user Marcelus decided on it's own that it was a fringe theory and deleted it. I don't pretend this information to be the thruth, apparently no one has a verified exact source, just one of the possibility but this one at least as a reference dating 350 years ago and that I added. I'm not sure Marcelus reads old french and that it took the time to check the reference. So could please someone else agree or disagree with it? In my sense it's not a fringe theory, just a theory not better or worst that any other but at least an intersting one and once again that has at least a reference. 84.75.117.147 ( talk) 13:01, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I am confused about the Gdansk/Danzig different names and I think it might be useful to clarify this in the article. Specifically, is Danzig a translation of Gdansk or a wholly different name? Was the city officially renamed or do we just use a more accurate translation now?
It also might be useful to add a sentence in Names saying the name Danzig was used a lot by english speakers in WW2 and sources about that if anyone (like me) clicks over from ww2 articles. Safes007 ( talk) 00:54, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Mike Christie ( talk · contribs) 22:25, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
I'll review this. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 22:25, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
I'll look at the sources next. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 22:58, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
I started looking at the sourcing, and I've decided to fail the article on sourcing and, to a lesser extent, on being too long and too detailed. I see the previous review also failed the article for lack of sourcing, and that reviewer added some "citation needed" tags, but judging from how you've sourced this article I don't think the message about what sourcing is needed came across. The way to think about it is that everything in the article needs to have a source. For example, if you look at the "Economy" section, you have a source for the first sentence, and for half-a-dozen of the companies listed, but you don't have a source for the second or third sentence, or for the great majority of the companies. Everything needs a source. This is far too much work to be done during a GA review.
However, the article is also too long. Some examples of excessive detail, and places where more sources would be needed if you keep some of that detail:
I won't go through every section in this way, but the same problems are apparent throughout the article. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 11:51, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
First of all, the decision was based on a simple counting of votes. I do not know what it was like in 2005, but we certainly do not make decisions in this way now. Moreover, the differences are negligible (e.g. for the period 1466 to 1793, it is 10 votes), which clearly indicates that there is no prevailing opinion.
What's more, the usus in relation to other cities with a similar history is quite different. Making Danzig and other Polish cities ( Szczecin, Wrocław etc.) with a partly German history into special cases. Without any logically identifiable justification. For example, why is Prague not referred to as "Prag" in topics concerning the period when it was inhabited mostly by German-speaking people and was part of the German states? What about Maribor/Marburg? Why do we not use the name "Kijów" for Kyiv when it was part of Poland, or even when it was mostly Polish-speaking (mid-18th century)? What about Lviv? There are many other examples.
For me, as someone who started editing English Wikipedia long after 2005, this balance is incomprehensible. Above all in relation to cities like Gdańsk, Toruń, Elbląg, which from 1454 almost until the end of the 18th century were part of the Polish state. On what basis do we use the German names to them for this period?
It seems to me that this topic has taken on a new significance with regard to decisions made in the last few years on Ukrainian place names (most notably WP:KYIV), which clearly indicate that the preferred place name also in a historical context is the modern Ukrainian version "Kyiv". Only "unambiguously historical topics" allow for the Kiev version. Why not apply an analogous rule to Gdańsk and other Polish cities with a similar history? ( Incidentally, I should note that WP:KYIV does not provide for names containing the form "Kijów" even for the period when the city was part of Poland, e.g. Kiev Voivodeship. This is a separate topic, but shows the imbalance I am talking about).
I hope that my proposal will be met with an open-minded approach and a willingness to have an informative discussion. Marcelus ( talk) 21:17, 24 October 2023 (UTC)