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There is a spelling error on this page
It is in the category of Between the Wars 2A00:23C5:DAE5:4C01:C8C8:285:8EF1:31AC ( talk) 21:08, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
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The original: "A series of disasters followed, starting with the destruction of much his air forces on 8 December 1941"
Should be: "A series of disasters followed, starting with the destruction of many of his air forces on 8 December 1941"
-- Newboy674 ( talk) 22:07, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
In the official Bahasa Melayu wiki for Datu Mustapha, it mentions General Macarthur aiding him in fighting the Japanese and some other crazy stuff. But in the English version, it mentions absolutely nothing about it. The Bahasa Melayu one also has 0 citations about Mustapha's past during WW2. Can an official editor look into this? Never again pls ( talk) 12:12, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
The syntax of the opening of the early life section is confusing in that it makes it sound as though Arthur MacArthur Jr. received his Medal of Honor after Douglas' birth, not before.
"A military brat, Douglas MacArthur was born 26 January 1880, at Little Rock Barracks in Arkansas, to Arthur MacArthur Jr., a U.S. Army captain, and his wife, Mary Pinkney Hardy MacArthur (nicknamed "Pinky"). Arthur Jr. was a son of Scottish-born jurist and politician Arthur MacArthur Sr. Arthur Jr. would later receive the Medal of Honor for his actions with the Union Army in the Battle of Missionary Ridge during the American Civil War, and be promoted to the rank of lieutenant general."
This should read:
"A military brat, Douglas MacArthur was born 26 January 1880, at Little Rock Barracks in Arkansas, to Arthur MacArthur Jr., a U.S. Army captain, and his wife, Mary Pinkney Hardy MacArthur (nicknamed "Pinky"). Arthur Jr. was a son of Scottish-born jurist and politician Arthur MacArthur Sr. Arthur Jr., had received the Medal of Honor for his actions with the Union Army in the Battle of Missionary Ridge during the American Civil War, and later be promoted to the rank of lieutenant general." Faction123 ( talk) 22:43, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
I stumbled on this article to consider it for WP:OTD, but rejected it because of the length banner at the top. I read through the discussion from July and agree with Nikkimaria that the length is a problem for several reasons:
I know that specialists like more information, but Wikipedia is written for a general audience, of which there are more of then people with a specialist interest. Specialists are also more likely to seek out additional sources (like biographies) while general readers will look at the length of this article and not read anything, defeating the purpose of writing an article.
A couple of suggestions for text that might be summarised or moved to other articles:
I also have some other concerns:
Sorry for the long post. Pinging previous participants @ Nikkimaria, Hawkeye7, and Srnec: Other commentators are also welcome. Z1720 ( talk) 01:46, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
This is a page on an American general, so shouldn't the page be in MM/DD/YYYY? Fringe, Suspect The ( talk) 20:38, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
articles on the modern US military, including biographical articles related to the modern US military, should use day-before-month, in accordance with US military usage.Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:17, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
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Frequently asked questions Controversies, praise, and criticism Q1: Why isn't there a criticisms/controversies section?
A1: Because a section dedicated to criticisms and controversies is no more appropriate than a section dedicated solely to praises and is an indication of a poorly written article. Criticisms/controversies/praises should be worked into the existing prose of the article, per
WP:CRIT. Q2: Why isn't a certain controversy/criticism/praise included in this article?
A2: Wikipedia's
Neutral Point of View policy says that "All Wikipedia articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view, representing fairly, proportionately, and as far as possible without bias, all significant views that have been published by reliable sources. This is non-negotiable and expected of all articles and all editors." Criticism or praise that cannot be
reliably sourced cannot be placed in a biography. Also, including everything about MacArthur in a single article would exceed Wikipedia's article size restrictions. A number of sub-articles have been created and some controversies/criticisms/praises have been
summarized here or been left out of this article altogether, but are covered in some detail in the sub-articles. Q3: This article needs much more (or much less) criticism/controversy.
A3: Please try to
assume good faith. Like all articles on Wikipedia, this article is a work in progress so it is possible for biases to exist at any point in time. If you see a bias that you wish to address, you are more than welcome to start a new discussion, or join in an existing discussion, but please be ready to provide sources to support your viewpoint and try to keep your comments
civil. Starting off your discussion by accusing the editors of this article of having a bias is the quickest way to get your comment ignored. Other issues Q4: This article is over 100kb long,
WP:SIZE says that it should be broken up into sub-articles. Why hasn't this happened?
A4: The restriction mentioned in WP:SIZE is 100kB of readable prose (which corresponds to about 10,000 words), not the byte count you see when you open the page for editing. As of December 2023, this article had about 19,300 words of readable prose (114 kB according to
prosesize tool), which is over the limit. The rest is mainly
citations and invisible comments, which do not count towards the limit. Q5: I added something to the article but it got removed. Why?
A5: In all probability what you added was trivia, unsourced information or information cited to an
unreliable source; such information is usually removed quickly. Articles on Wikipedia require reliable sources for an independent verification of the facts presented, consequently any information added to an article without a reliable source is subject to removal from the article at any Wikipedian's discretion. Q6: I tried to edit this article but couldn't. Why?
A6: This article has been indefinitely
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There is a spelling error on this page
It is in the category of Between the Wars 2A00:23C5:DAE5:4C01:C8C8:285:8EF1:31AC ( talk) 21:08, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
The original: "A series of disasters followed, starting with the destruction of much his air forces on 8 December 1941"
Should be: "A series of disasters followed, starting with the destruction of many of his air forces on 8 December 1941"
-- Newboy674 ( talk) 22:07, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
In the official Bahasa Melayu wiki for Datu Mustapha, it mentions General Macarthur aiding him in fighting the Japanese and some other crazy stuff. But in the English version, it mentions absolutely nothing about it. The Bahasa Melayu one also has 0 citations about Mustapha's past during WW2. Can an official editor look into this? Never again pls ( talk) 12:12, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
The syntax of the opening of the early life section is confusing in that it makes it sound as though Arthur MacArthur Jr. received his Medal of Honor after Douglas' birth, not before.
"A military brat, Douglas MacArthur was born 26 January 1880, at Little Rock Barracks in Arkansas, to Arthur MacArthur Jr., a U.S. Army captain, and his wife, Mary Pinkney Hardy MacArthur (nicknamed "Pinky"). Arthur Jr. was a son of Scottish-born jurist and politician Arthur MacArthur Sr. Arthur Jr. would later receive the Medal of Honor for his actions with the Union Army in the Battle of Missionary Ridge during the American Civil War, and be promoted to the rank of lieutenant general."
This should read:
"A military brat, Douglas MacArthur was born 26 January 1880, at Little Rock Barracks in Arkansas, to Arthur MacArthur Jr., a U.S. Army captain, and his wife, Mary Pinkney Hardy MacArthur (nicknamed "Pinky"). Arthur Jr. was a son of Scottish-born jurist and politician Arthur MacArthur Sr. Arthur Jr., had received the Medal of Honor for his actions with the Union Army in the Battle of Missionary Ridge during the American Civil War, and later be promoted to the rank of lieutenant general." Faction123 ( talk) 22:43, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
I stumbled on this article to consider it for WP:OTD, but rejected it because of the length banner at the top. I read through the discussion from July and agree with Nikkimaria that the length is a problem for several reasons:
I know that specialists like more information, but Wikipedia is written for a general audience, of which there are more of then people with a specialist interest. Specialists are also more likely to seek out additional sources (like biographies) while general readers will look at the length of this article and not read anything, defeating the purpose of writing an article.
A couple of suggestions for text that might be summarised or moved to other articles:
I also have some other concerns:
Sorry for the long post. Pinging previous participants @ Nikkimaria, Hawkeye7, and Srnec: Other commentators are also welcome. Z1720 ( talk) 01:46, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
This is a page on an American general, so shouldn't the page be in MM/DD/YYYY? Fringe, Suspect The ( talk) 20:38, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
articles on the modern US military, including biographical articles related to the modern US military, should use day-before-month, in accordance with US military usage.Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:17, 10 April 2024 (UTC)