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{{ Edit semi-protected}} Please replace the current version of Donald Trump#Politics with the following, which includes minor copy-editing, introduces a new reference for existing and new details, and switches to the use of Help:Footnotes as used elsewhere in the article:
In the 2000 election, Trump considered running for president as a member of the Reform Party. citation needed In 2004 and 2008, he speculated about running for President in the Republican party.
In 2011, Trump has made a much more active bid for the presidency, including a February speech to a CPAC gathering. [1], that is considered a key early Presidential cattle call, and participation in its straw poll for the office. His political stances include the following [2]
Trump contributed to Rahm Emanuel's candidacy [5] and has refused to take a stance on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. [6]
Thanks. 72.244.206.253 ( talk) 01:08, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
"Obamacare" and "Communist China" and pretty loaded terms. It's in the best interest of neutrality to call them by their proper names instead of by political slang. 24.210.104.196 ( talk) 03:24, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't the article reference Trump's role in the Prejean/Hilton scandal, his recent denouncement of gay marriage rights, and the allegations of illicit bathhouse sex from the 1970s? There should be a whole entry on his inconsistencies on the issue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.55.52.202 ( talk) 19:04, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
The issue was just whether Obama met one technical criterion for the presidency (i.e., birth in the U.S.). With Obama's release of his long-form birth certificate, that issue, which had dragged on for years as a low-level controversy, has been resolved. But Trump could arguably claim credit for persuading Obama to finally release the information and end the controversy. But no "conspiracy" was ever involved.
See http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/76880c16-70dc-11e0-9b1d-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1KpEmufpu —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.216.125.82 ( talk) 13:50, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Donald trump has recently become associated with the alleged pyramid scheme American Communications Network. This organization charges a fee of $500 to new sales people, Donald Trump appears in their initial marketing video. http://www.acninc.com/acn/us/trump.html Jaquesjack ( talk) 17:49, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
According to a number of biographies, Donald Trump's parents were both longtime members of Marble Collegiate Church. Trump married Ivana Winklmayr at Marble Collegiate (New York magazine 10/15/1990). Dr. Arthur Caliandro, minister of Marble Collegiate, performed his wedding to Marla Maples in 1993 (New York Times 12/21/1993). Maples said she met him at Marble Collegiate. His most recent wedding was at an Episcopal church. Trump's father's funeral was at Marble Collegiate (NY Daily News 6/16/1999) as was his mother's (NY Daily News 6/26/1999). He clearly was raised Protestant. What is the source for identifying him as Catholic? Thanks. Bebill ( talk) 23:00, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
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it said that Donald Trump joined his father's company, The Trump Organization. which is incurrect; his father's company name was "Elizabeth Trump & Son;" the Trump Organization was founded by Donald Trump in 1971.
also add to Fred Trump, Self Made Millionaire (not just "wealthy")
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Donald might be somewhat surprised to read that he was apparently born in 1912 - please insert the correct year. 86.133.207.45 ( talk) 11:57, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
This sentence uses the word "evoke" when "invoke" is correct: "Arguing that the crisis is an Act of God, he evoked a clause in the contract to not pay the loan and initiated a countersuit asserting his image has been damaged.[34]" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.176.201.122 ( talk) 14:34, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
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The Trump Hollywood building in Hollywood, Florida that is licensed under Donald Trump's name can be linked to
http://www.trumphollywood.com.
JordenLGD ( talk) 19:30, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Concerning Trump's first major venture, the 'Swifton Village,' I've found an article from the Cincinnati Enquirer suggesting that Trump may have lied in his memoir about his involvement in the dea, and also cites a VERY different figure for the property's sale. Check the article here. Considering the current info is unsouced, I'm gunna go ahead and make a few changes; If my source is bad or you've got better info, let me know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.196.111 ( talk) 08:10, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Lopside ( talk) 09:06, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
I noticed (or did I miss it) that there is no section on philanthropy or any charitable activities. Ok, I didn't read about the golf courses, but that isn't philanthropy in my opinion. Mylittlezach ( talk) 01:05, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Comedy Central aired the Roast of Donald Trump on March 15, 2011. This belongs in the "In the Media" section.
The cited source listed that he has been an independent in the past, and is currently a Republican, besides stating just below it that he is affiliated with the Republican Party. Edited accordingly. Homo Logica ( talk) 04:53, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
The parenthetical "who is 24 years Trump's junior" does not add value to the article. Opinions? Xburrows ( talk) 14:38, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
some ACN personnel I have talked to talk about him as if he was a founder of the company so I find that odd that it is not even mentioned on his wikipedia page
67.204.12.212 ( talk) 00:51, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Trump wrote a book called Think like a Champion. It came out about two years ago. It's also his most recent book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.158.224.232 ( talk) 03:56, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
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wp:CIRCULARity)--with regard to Trump's religion--that is, in its reference to the The Telegraph's misstatement? Which of course would be the case if, due to some Wikipedia editor's having added long ago that Trump was Catholic into his infobox, the Telegraph reporter saw this and repeated the error. Trump has been a subject of a number of biographies, including Gwenda Blair's Trump: Master Apprentice (2000, 2005)
which said about Trump's Calvinistly straight-laced American (
Reformed Protestant) dad and Scots-born (likely Presbyterian: The
Church of Scotland) mom: "Fred and Mary made sure their children had a good grounding in life. Sundays meant the First Presbyterian Church...."
Correct self. My guess was wrong. Here's the evidence]:
Never mind.-- Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden ( talk) 16:36, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone know why he didn't serve in the military or what his draft classification was during the Vietnam war era? Since he has indicated a interest for political office I'm sure that would be a valid topic for his Wikipedia page. Kilowattradio ( talk) 18:24, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
In response to complaints about his Hospital Birth Certificate, Trump released his City of New York Birth Certificate to ABC News on Tuesday, March 29, 2011. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.147.28.1 ( talk) 18:29, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
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According to the article: "A Newsweek poll conducted February 2011 showed that Donald Trump garnered sufficient support to prevail in the November 2012 general election for President of the United States against Barack Obama."
If one reads the source cited, it's actually CNN (themselves citing a Newsweek/Daily Beast poll) commenting that the poll "suggests" that Trump "could just beat President Obama", based on 43-41 poll numbers that actually have Obama ahead. CNN's statement that Trump "could" beat Obama appears to be based on the fact that that 2 point difference is within the 3.5% margin of error. (This may not be why they think that, but it's the only reason listed that possibly backs up that claim; that the article is confusing on this point makes it a poor source in my opinion.) CNN links to the actual poll at the Daily Beast, which makes no conclusions about Trump's numbers vs Obama's.
Please either delete this incorrect assertion, or replace it with the actual facts, e.g. "A Newsweek/Daily Beast poll conducted in February 2011 showed Donald Trump within two percentage points of Barack Obama, with 41% of respondents preferring Trump and 43% preferring Obama." (In this case, the reference should probably go to the Daily Beast article CNN links to.) The fact is that nobody (certainly not Newsweek) has stated that Trump has "garnered sufficient support to prevail." This wording implies a much stronger position than being behind by 2 points with only 84% of respondents decided.
This is not to mention that there are a bunch of other polls out there, practically all showing Obama ahead of any Republican potential...but also showing very high numbers of undecided voters, just like this poll. And plenty of commentators on both sides stating that both candidates could win. So it seems like a pretty POV inclusion to report it in the fashion that it currently is. (Ideally, the statement should be more generalized to state that some early polls show Trump within a few points of Obama, with many voters undecided. Referencing a single poll from almost two months ago isn't a great idea in any case...) 99.55.199.47 ( talk) 16:20, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
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Under Donald Trump#Bibliography please note that Donald Trump's forthcoming book Trump Tower (Vanguard Press, October 11, 2011) is described as "the most indiscreet novel of the decade." acrylicrevolution ( talk) 20:10, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
The current article states "Believes the U.S. should disengage in Iraq and Afghanistan[82]" as one of Trump's views, but the reference [82] shows this to be extremely inaccurate. In the interview, Trump calls for the US to take over Iraq's oilfields by force, something that Trump also said to George Stephanopoulos in his recent interview; this appears to be the polar opposite of "disengagement". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.93.35.229 ( talk) 12:38, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
The last line in the Family section "The thrice-married Trump is against gay marriage." needs to be removed. It has no place in this section as it has nothing to do with Trump's family. It is meant to express the author's opinion rather than inform the reader. It screws up the neutrality of the article so could someone please edit it out? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bahdoner ( talk • contribs) 12:08, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
The paragraph about his financial problems says he believes it was caused by ham. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LynnieU ( talk • contribs) 02:07, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
I think the link from the text "Dutch Reformed Church" is incorrect.
The Dutch settled New York City (New Amsterdam, at the time) and brought the Reformed Church with them. There are many individual churches in the area that are referred to by the name of "Dutch Reformed Church" but they are actually affiliated with the Reformed Church in America--which was the North American branch of the Dutch Reformed Church and originally called "Reformed Protestant Dutch Church".
Reformed denominations are Calvinist, and the RCA uses a Presbyterian polity form of governance, so it's very similar to Presbyterian and maintains full communion with the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.). Some members of the Reformed Church describe themselves as Presbyterians.
This is original research, but it might help those who are confused by the "Dutch Reformed Church" line in the source cited. The source doesn't make it clear whether he's referring to a local church or the denomination, but I strongly suspect the former. -- 68.80.222.156 ( talk) 12:50, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Such ambiguity happens all the time. The Pew survey of what religions people describe themselves as holding consistently shows that something like twice as many people (or more) describe themselves as Unitarian Univeralist than that actually are actually members of U/U congregations. Last election cycle, it was pointed out that Senator McCain calls himself Baptist and attends a Baptist church each Sunday but in fact has never joined the Baptist church and remains a baptized Episcopalian. So what is McCain? Baptist? or Episcopalian? In a way even he himself doesn't know for sure. (No disrespect. I was just kidding there. But, what I meant in all seriousness is that by McCain's self-description he's of one denomination but by the official criteria of the two denominations in question, he is the other. Phew, confusing. )-- Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden ( talk) 19:57, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
-- Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden ( talk) 21:11, 26 April 2011 (UTC)In that interview with David Brody, the only church he named was First Presbyterian Church of Jamaica.
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[...H]is most frequently mentioned church is the famed Marble Collegiate Church -- scene not only of his wedding to Ivana in 1977 but also the place where Trump wed Marla[...]in 1993.
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By the time of his 2005[...]wedding[...]the church of choice, near his Palm Beach manse, was Episcopal Church of Bethesda-by-the-Sea.
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[...B]uzz us[...]if you shared a pew with The Donald on Easter -- or any Sunday since Christmas.--- link
Everything from Chase Bank to the end of the third paragraph of the Financial Problems paragraph is lifted verbatim from the referenced NYTimes article. Seems like it should be reworded or quoted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uolmir ( talk • contribs) 14:01, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League By BETH FOUHY Associated Press NEW YORK (AP) — Real estate mogul Donald Trump suggested in an interview Monday that President Barack Obama had been a poor student who did not deserve to be admitted to the Ivy League universities he attended. Trump, who is mulling a bid for the Republican presidential nomination, offered no proof for his claim but said he would continue to press the matter as he has the legitimacy of the president's birth certificate.
"I heard he was a terrible student, terrible. How does a bad student go to Columbia and then to Harvard?" Trump said in an interview with The Associated Press. "I'm thinking about it, I'm certainly looking into it. Let him show his records."
Obama graduated from Columbia University in New York in 1983 with a degree in political science after transferring from Occidental College in California. He went on to Harvard Law School, where he graduated magna cum laude 1991 and was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review.
Obama's 2008 campaign did not release his college transcripts, and in his best-selling memoir, "Dreams From My Father," Obama indicated he hadn't always been an academic star. Trump told the AP that Obama's refusal to release his college grades were part of a pattern of concealing information about himself.
"I have friends who have smart sons with great marks, great boards, great everything and they can't get into Harvard," Trump said. "We don't know a thing about this guy. There are a lot of questions that are unanswered about our president."
Katie Hogan, a spokeswoman for Obama's re-election campaign, declined to comment.
My Opinions are stated below, I don't care if you disagree, Because that's the best thing about the USA freedom to speak your mind and that's what I've done in this Statement: I recently read this article and it has made me so angry I wish i had the power to call him myself and yell and scream about his total stupidity. I ask this question of Donald Trump, How can you question whether he had good grades when we just got rid of a president who was so stupid he choked on a pretzel and had a vice president who got away with shooting his friend in the face? As well as the fact that he was a REPUBLICAN like himself now who is the retard Mr. Trump. You go around making accusations and remarks about stupid issues that really don't matter but who are you to think that we would vote you into power? The only way you will win is if California is the only vote that will count, but I think everyone has learned from that mistake. Name recognition only works so long. Just because you have money and hotels what makes you so qualified to be the president because you can put on a suit and dress real fancy for TV, they put monkeys in suits all the time and in my opinion the monkey could run the country better than the republican party has ever done. Your biggest issues are whether a person has a birth certificate or not and why should anyone have to prove themselves to YOU? Glory Hound! Mud slinging is no way to win a campaign for presidency as far as I am concerned all I want to know is what is going to be done for us the working class people whose hands you step on and break to do the real work behind your business, well you and the republicans get rich we break our backs to provide for our families, and what's more important to you whether someone who is already president had good enough marks and who has a birth certificate that says they were born here. Where were you when Bush made a fool out of himself with all his idiotic statements and when the levees broke where were you, I've read your profile it says nothing about you helping with disaster relief. ( Jerrys1kitten ( talk) 10:21, 27 April 2011 (UTC)).
Independent verification is needed that Mr. Trump has a degree from U. of Pennsylvania. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.216.125.82 ( talk) 17:09, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
After trump's comments on 27 Apr, people in the media and politics have called for NBC to fire him. Most notably, Lawrence O'Donnell of sister-company MSNBC, [3] and US Rep Weiner [4]. -- Tangledorange ( talk) 08:48, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
WOULD SOMEBODY PLEASE EDIT HIS WIKI PROFILE TO INCLUDE HIS LATEST PROFESSIONAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS??CARNIVAL BARKING... :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.15.205.113 ( talk) 15:50, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
This article is starting to suffer from acute WP:RECENTISM. Trump has been in the public eye for many years, but the article is starting to get dominated by the ins-and-outside of his current political campaign and comments about Obama's birth. Please try to keep the article encyclopediac, that is, historical. Ashmoo ( talk) 12:06, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
There are some categories below about wrestling and Billionaires with TV shows etc. Which may need to be removed.-- — Keithbob • Talk • 16:19, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Politicians and people in the public eye in general are often the subject of political cartoons. However, that is no reason to source a ton of these cartoons in this article in the way that they were. Not only is this undue weight, and potentially a BLP violation in order to denegrate the article subject, I have never seen this done on any other political figure. Furthermore, it is borderline OR in that there are no actual articles making the argument, only WP editorializing that he is been criticized and then linking the cartoons to which WP editors feel meet the section. Arzel ( talk) 03:05, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
It's probably over the line into spam but I will point out that it is possible for political parody to be notable. For example, another wp:WELLKNOWN media personality, Sarah Palin (who also is a former governor) has this article subsection on WP: Public image of Sarah Palin#Parodies.-- Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden ( talk) 07:33, 28 April 2011 (UTC)"Political cartoonists have made reference to the issue. [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14]"
Fsir enough - I said above that I agree that third party RS would be best - so how about this one just quickly located. Likely there are others. (By the way, I would be interested in your reply to my comments about BLP, UNDUE and SPAM, as I would like to know why you think they apply.) Tvoz/ talk 23:40, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
-- Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden ( talk) 01:44, 2 May 2011 (UTC)As for Trump, the president said his decision to release his original, long-form birth certificate this week must have been a big relief for the New York real estate mogul. “He can finally get back to focusing on the issues that matter. Like, did we fake the moon landing? What really happened in Roswell? And where are Biggie and Tupac?”-- Politico
If he's openly calling himself a Presbyterian now then all the speculation about his religion should be removed. Quark1005 ( talk) 18:14, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
"take their oil" really needs to be in here. 72.228.177.92 ( talk) 11:43, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
Add Trump to "Billionaires with TV shows" Category:Billionaires with TV shows — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.108.238.25 ( talk) 19:47, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
At the Apr 27 conference, Trump made a whole new set of statements-- and it is these statements that have been reported on by some reliable sources as explicitly racist. This is a subtle distinction, be we need to be careful not to automatically conflate the two streams of criticism, as one does not necessarily imply the other to all people.
So, for example, Schieffer's reporting was most directly in reference to the "bad student"/Afffirmative Action statements. I've added more context of the Schieffer quote to make to it clear what Schiefer was replying to. -- Tangledorange ( talk) 02:16, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
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However, on April 22, 2011, Obama requested that the Hawaii Board of Health release a certified copy of his long-form birth certificate to him which they granted through special waivers.
On April 27, 2011, Obama provided the 'long form' birth certificate to the press. An image of the birth certificate, which confirmed details that were provided in 2008 on the short-form certification, was posted on the whitehouse.gov website.[123] At a press conference held shortly after the release, Trump credited the release to his efforts.
since that relates to the birther conspiracy, and doesn't really have anything to do with Donald Trump. Details of the birther conspiracy are on the birther conspiracy page.
Homo Logica ( talk) 06:48, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Obama spent a great deal of his speech at the 2011 White House Correspondents' Dinner mocking Trump in clear reaction to him and his whole birther conspiracy (1). I think this should be included in the "Statements about Barack Obama" section, somehow. -- Rogington2 ( talk) 18:21, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Only two of these are suggested to be used in the article.
Greetings. I object to the removal, repeatedly, of the word "racism" from this article. It is absolutely newsworthy and called for. I also object to the toilet humour of an editor who disagrees with me. - SusanLesch ( talk) 04:03, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
I'll give you guys a choice. Either we submit this argument to Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard or I ask User:Balloonman who is an administrator and an uninvolved editor to see if he has time to mediate. Your choice? - SusanLesch ( talk) 07:43, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Susan asked me to come in an mediate based upon previous mediation I did over at the Tea Pary Movement where I probably didn't satisfy anybody because I agreed with some of what both parties had to say. Other than minor contact during that mediation, I do not have any standing history with Susan. Right now, I do not have time to delve into the subject, but will try to look at it more closely this evening after the kiddos are in bed. That being said, I considered putting a full protection on the page based upon the dispute. The charge of Racism/racist is a serious charge and has to be treated seriously. The burden for including potentially BLP incendiary information falls upon those parties who wish to add it and the bar for such accusations HAS to be set high. Right now, there is no consensus and heated debate centered on the subject. My advice right now is to back off on the edits related to racism/t or I will protect the page (in the version that does not include the charges/allegations as dictated by WP:BLP.) It may be several hours before I get back to this article and when I do so, it'll take me a while to review the discussion and edits being sought, so bear with me. BUT let me reiterate, let's leave the allegations out for now.--- Balloonman Poppa Balloon 22:37, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Ok, I was asked to come here and give my take on this issue of allegations that Trump is a racist. First let me tell you where I stand on the subject. I tend to be on the conservative side of most issues, but I think Trump is an idiot who has said things that sound questionable at best and that if he somehow wins the Republican nomination next year that it will guarantee a second term for Obama---that's my opinion. I can say that as a person---I have never liked Trump. I can believe those statements to be true. But what I believe/think and what we can include in an article on Wikipedia are two different things. The standard for including controversial material on a BLP rest upon the party wishing to add the material. The more controversial/charged the inclusion, the higher the barrier has to be. This isn't just Wikipedia policy, but it is what is proper. We can't let allegations and controversial statements remain in Wikipedia unless they meet the highest barriers. Having a person express an opinion does not make it a fact.
The charge of racism is one of the most inflamatory allegations that people to levy today. John Hartigan Jr., professor of anthropology at The University of Texas at Austin, talks about conversation stoppers. Charges of racism/playing the race card are conversation stoppers; "When public debates become muddled by charges of racism, people will focus more on racial tensions and less on the issues that matter. [20] Paul Watchell, CUNY Distinguished Professor in clinical psychology at City University of New York Graduate Center, writes, "One key problem is that the words “racism” and “racist” tend to be conversation stoppers.... the accusation of racism may sometimes be experienced as an intimidating conversation-stopper and sometimes as a tiresome harangue that has little real impact whatever formal obeisance may or may not be paid."[jonsenglishsite.info/Class%20Docs%205/6_TalkingAboutRacism.doc] But the charge gets bandied about because people want to silence their opponents.
So what we have are a few people who have made allegations that Trump is racist based upon a few recent comments he's made. The fact that people have levied them is undeniable. But the question becomes how much weight and credence should we give them? Is Trump a racist? I don't think Wikipedia can declare that as a fact. Is this a persistent accusation or a new found one? As far as I know, it surfaced only after he declared an interest in running for office (I am not a Trump follower, but you would think that it would have interfered with his show if it was an ongoing issue.) Trump has attacked Obama for several issues. Some of them bring images of race to the forefront. The whole birther controversy and now the implication that Obama only went to college because of Affirmative Action. Is he playing to those issues because he is a racist or an opportunist? Politics is a nasty business.
Personally, I would shy away from the statement that he is a racist. Those are, IMO, character issues and allegations made to devalue the target. We need to be very careful about repeating those allegations, even if we attribute the opinion to somebody else. Especially if these allegations are A) recent and B) based upon a few isolated sound bytes. I am not saying that we can white wash the whole issue, we probably need to say something, but we need to address it in a very careful manner. My OPINION is that we focus on how the words/issues are perceived (as potentially race driven/playing to racism) rather than personal attacks on Trump.--- Balloonman Poppa Balloon 04:50, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
So, not-just recent and highly notable in the campaign. oodles and oodles of reliable sources for all the facts, far more critics and new stories than you could ever want. -- Tangledorange ( talk) 12:08, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
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{{ Edit semi-protected}} Please replace the current version of Donald Trump#Politics with the following, which includes minor copy-editing, introduces a new reference for existing and new details, and switches to the use of Help:Footnotes as used elsewhere in the article:
In the 2000 election, Trump considered running for president as a member of the Reform Party. citation needed In 2004 and 2008, he speculated about running for President in the Republican party.
In 2011, Trump has made a much more active bid for the presidency, including a February speech to a CPAC gathering. [1], that is considered a key early Presidential cattle call, and participation in its straw poll for the office. His political stances include the following [2]
Trump contributed to Rahm Emanuel's candidacy [5] and has refused to take a stance on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. [6]
Thanks. 72.244.206.253 ( talk) 01:08, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
"Obamacare" and "Communist China" and pretty loaded terms. It's in the best interest of neutrality to call them by their proper names instead of by political slang. 24.210.104.196 ( talk) 03:24, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Shouldn't the article reference Trump's role in the Prejean/Hilton scandal, his recent denouncement of gay marriage rights, and the allegations of illicit bathhouse sex from the 1970s? There should be a whole entry on his inconsistencies on the issue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.55.52.202 ( talk) 19:04, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
The issue was just whether Obama met one technical criterion for the presidency (i.e., birth in the U.S.). With Obama's release of his long-form birth certificate, that issue, which had dragged on for years as a low-level controversy, has been resolved. But Trump could arguably claim credit for persuading Obama to finally release the information and end the controversy. But no "conspiracy" was ever involved.
See http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/76880c16-70dc-11e0-9b1d-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1KpEmufpu —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.216.125.82 ( talk) 13:50, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Donald trump has recently become associated with the alleged pyramid scheme American Communications Network. This organization charges a fee of $500 to new sales people, Donald Trump appears in their initial marketing video. http://www.acninc.com/acn/us/trump.html Jaquesjack ( talk) 17:49, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
According to a number of biographies, Donald Trump's parents were both longtime members of Marble Collegiate Church. Trump married Ivana Winklmayr at Marble Collegiate (New York magazine 10/15/1990). Dr. Arthur Caliandro, minister of Marble Collegiate, performed his wedding to Marla Maples in 1993 (New York Times 12/21/1993). Maples said she met him at Marble Collegiate. His most recent wedding was at an Episcopal church. Trump's father's funeral was at Marble Collegiate (NY Daily News 6/16/1999) as was his mother's (NY Daily News 6/26/1999). He clearly was raised Protestant. What is the source for identifying him as Catholic? Thanks. Bebill ( talk) 23:00, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
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Donald might be somewhat surprised to read that he was apparently born in 1912 - please insert the correct year. 86.133.207.45 ( talk) 11:57, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
This sentence uses the word "evoke" when "invoke" is correct: "Arguing that the crisis is an Act of God, he evoked a clause in the contract to not pay the loan and initiated a countersuit asserting his image has been damaged.[34]" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.176.201.122 ( talk) 14:34, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
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JordenLGD ( talk) 19:30, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Concerning Trump's first major venture, the 'Swifton Village,' I've found an article from the Cincinnati Enquirer suggesting that Trump may have lied in his memoir about his involvement in the dea, and also cites a VERY different figure for the property's sale. Check the article here. Considering the current info is unsouced, I'm gunna go ahead and make a few changes; If my source is bad or you've got better info, let me know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.196.111 ( talk) 08:10, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Lopside ( talk) 09:06, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
I noticed (or did I miss it) that there is no section on philanthropy or any charitable activities. Ok, I didn't read about the golf courses, but that isn't philanthropy in my opinion. Mylittlezach ( talk) 01:05, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Comedy Central aired the Roast of Donald Trump on March 15, 2011. This belongs in the "In the Media" section.
The cited source listed that he has been an independent in the past, and is currently a Republican, besides stating just below it that he is affiliated with the Republican Party. Edited accordingly. Homo Logica ( talk) 04:53, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
The parenthetical "who is 24 years Trump's junior" does not add value to the article. Opinions? Xburrows ( talk) 14:38, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
some ACN personnel I have talked to talk about him as if he was a founder of the company so I find that odd that it is not even mentioned on his wikipedia page
67.204.12.212 ( talk) 00:51, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Trump wrote a book called Think like a Champion. It came out about two years ago. It's also his most recent book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.158.224.232 ( talk) 03:56, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
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wp:CIRCULARity)--with regard to Trump's religion--that is, in its reference to the The Telegraph's misstatement? Which of course would be the case if, due to some Wikipedia editor's having added long ago that Trump was Catholic into his infobox, the Telegraph reporter saw this and repeated the error. Trump has been a subject of a number of biographies, including Gwenda Blair's Trump: Master Apprentice (2000, 2005)
which said about Trump's Calvinistly straight-laced American (
Reformed Protestant) dad and Scots-born (likely Presbyterian: The
Church of Scotland) mom: "Fred and Mary made sure their children had a good grounding in life. Sundays meant the First Presbyterian Church...."
Correct self. My guess was wrong. Here's the evidence]:
Never mind.-- Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden ( talk) 16:36, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone know why he didn't serve in the military or what his draft classification was during the Vietnam war era? Since he has indicated a interest for political office I'm sure that would be a valid topic for his Wikipedia page. Kilowattradio ( talk) 18:24, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
In response to complaints about his Hospital Birth Certificate, Trump released his City of New York Birth Certificate to ABC News on Tuesday, March 29, 2011. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.147.28.1 ( talk) 18:29, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
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According to the article: "A Newsweek poll conducted February 2011 showed that Donald Trump garnered sufficient support to prevail in the November 2012 general election for President of the United States against Barack Obama."
If one reads the source cited, it's actually CNN (themselves citing a Newsweek/Daily Beast poll) commenting that the poll "suggests" that Trump "could just beat President Obama", based on 43-41 poll numbers that actually have Obama ahead. CNN's statement that Trump "could" beat Obama appears to be based on the fact that that 2 point difference is within the 3.5% margin of error. (This may not be why they think that, but it's the only reason listed that possibly backs up that claim; that the article is confusing on this point makes it a poor source in my opinion.) CNN links to the actual poll at the Daily Beast, which makes no conclusions about Trump's numbers vs Obama's.
Please either delete this incorrect assertion, or replace it with the actual facts, e.g. "A Newsweek/Daily Beast poll conducted in February 2011 showed Donald Trump within two percentage points of Barack Obama, with 41% of respondents preferring Trump and 43% preferring Obama." (In this case, the reference should probably go to the Daily Beast article CNN links to.) The fact is that nobody (certainly not Newsweek) has stated that Trump has "garnered sufficient support to prevail." This wording implies a much stronger position than being behind by 2 points with only 84% of respondents decided.
This is not to mention that there are a bunch of other polls out there, practically all showing Obama ahead of any Republican potential...but also showing very high numbers of undecided voters, just like this poll. And plenty of commentators on both sides stating that both candidates could win. So it seems like a pretty POV inclusion to report it in the fashion that it currently is. (Ideally, the statement should be more generalized to state that some early polls show Trump within a few points of Obama, with many voters undecided. Referencing a single poll from almost two months ago isn't a great idea in any case...) 99.55.199.47 ( talk) 16:20, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
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Under Donald Trump#Bibliography please note that Donald Trump's forthcoming book Trump Tower (Vanguard Press, October 11, 2011) is described as "the most indiscreet novel of the decade." acrylicrevolution ( talk) 20:10, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
The current article states "Believes the U.S. should disengage in Iraq and Afghanistan[82]" as one of Trump's views, but the reference [82] shows this to be extremely inaccurate. In the interview, Trump calls for the US to take over Iraq's oilfields by force, something that Trump also said to George Stephanopoulos in his recent interview; this appears to be the polar opposite of "disengagement". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.93.35.229 ( talk) 12:38, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
The last line in the Family section "The thrice-married Trump is against gay marriage." needs to be removed. It has no place in this section as it has nothing to do with Trump's family. It is meant to express the author's opinion rather than inform the reader. It screws up the neutrality of the article so could someone please edit it out? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bahdoner ( talk • contribs) 12:08, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
The paragraph about his financial problems says he believes it was caused by ham. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LynnieU ( talk • contribs) 02:07, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
I think the link from the text "Dutch Reformed Church" is incorrect.
The Dutch settled New York City (New Amsterdam, at the time) and brought the Reformed Church with them. There are many individual churches in the area that are referred to by the name of "Dutch Reformed Church" but they are actually affiliated with the Reformed Church in America--which was the North American branch of the Dutch Reformed Church and originally called "Reformed Protestant Dutch Church".
Reformed denominations are Calvinist, and the RCA uses a Presbyterian polity form of governance, so it's very similar to Presbyterian and maintains full communion with the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.). Some members of the Reformed Church describe themselves as Presbyterians.
This is original research, but it might help those who are confused by the "Dutch Reformed Church" line in the source cited. The source doesn't make it clear whether he's referring to a local church or the denomination, but I strongly suspect the former. -- 68.80.222.156 ( talk) 12:50, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Such ambiguity happens all the time. The Pew survey of what religions people describe themselves as holding consistently shows that something like twice as many people (or more) describe themselves as Unitarian Univeralist than that actually are actually members of U/U congregations. Last election cycle, it was pointed out that Senator McCain calls himself Baptist and attends a Baptist church each Sunday but in fact has never joined the Baptist church and remains a baptized Episcopalian. So what is McCain? Baptist? or Episcopalian? In a way even he himself doesn't know for sure. (No disrespect. I was just kidding there. But, what I meant in all seriousness is that by McCain's self-description he's of one denomination but by the official criteria of the two denominations in question, he is the other. Phew, confusing. )-- Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden ( talk) 19:57, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
-- Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden ( talk) 21:11, 26 April 2011 (UTC)In that interview with David Brody, the only church he named was First Presbyterian Church of Jamaica.
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[...H]is most frequently mentioned church is the famed Marble Collegiate Church -- scene not only of his wedding to Ivana in 1977 but also the place where Trump wed Marla[...]in 1993.
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By the time of his 2005[...]wedding[...]the church of choice, near his Palm Beach manse, was Episcopal Church of Bethesda-by-the-Sea.
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[...B]uzz us[...]if you shared a pew with The Donald on Easter -- or any Sunday since Christmas.--- link
Everything from Chase Bank to the end of the third paragraph of the Financial Problems paragraph is lifted verbatim from the referenced NYTimes article. Seems like it should be reworded or quoted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uolmir ( talk • contribs) 14:01, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League By BETH FOUHY Associated Press NEW YORK (AP) — Real estate mogul Donald Trump suggested in an interview Monday that President Barack Obama had been a poor student who did not deserve to be admitted to the Ivy League universities he attended. Trump, who is mulling a bid for the Republican presidential nomination, offered no proof for his claim but said he would continue to press the matter as he has the legitimacy of the president's birth certificate.
"I heard he was a terrible student, terrible. How does a bad student go to Columbia and then to Harvard?" Trump said in an interview with The Associated Press. "I'm thinking about it, I'm certainly looking into it. Let him show his records."
Obama graduated from Columbia University in New York in 1983 with a degree in political science after transferring from Occidental College in California. He went on to Harvard Law School, where he graduated magna cum laude 1991 and was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review.
Obama's 2008 campaign did not release his college transcripts, and in his best-selling memoir, "Dreams From My Father," Obama indicated he hadn't always been an academic star. Trump told the AP that Obama's refusal to release his college grades were part of a pattern of concealing information about himself.
"I have friends who have smart sons with great marks, great boards, great everything and they can't get into Harvard," Trump said. "We don't know a thing about this guy. There are a lot of questions that are unanswered about our president."
Katie Hogan, a spokeswoman for Obama's re-election campaign, declined to comment.
My Opinions are stated below, I don't care if you disagree, Because that's the best thing about the USA freedom to speak your mind and that's what I've done in this Statement: I recently read this article and it has made me so angry I wish i had the power to call him myself and yell and scream about his total stupidity. I ask this question of Donald Trump, How can you question whether he had good grades when we just got rid of a president who was so stupid he choked on a pretzel and had a vice president who got away with shooting his friend in the face? As well as the fact that he was a REPUBLICAN like himself now who is the retard Mr. Trump. You go around making accusations and remarks about stupid issues that really don't matter but who are you to think that we would vote you into power? The only way you will win is if California is the only vote that will count, but I think everyone has learned from that mistake. Name recognition only works so long. Just because you have money and hotels what makes you so qualified to be the president because you can put on a suit and dress real fancy for TV, they put monkeys in suits all the time and in my opinion the monkey could run the country better than the republican party has ever done. Your biggest issues are whether a person has a birth certificate or not and why should anyone have to prove themselves to YOU? Glory Hound! Mud slinging is no way to win a campaign for presidency as far as I am concerned all I want to know is what is going to be done for us the working class people whose hands you step on and break to do the real work behind your business, well you and the republicans get rich we break our backs to provide for our families, and what's more important to you whether someone who is already president had good enough marks and who has a birth certificate that says they were born here. Where were you when Bush made a fool out of himself with all his idiotic statements and when the levees broke where were you, I've read your profile it says nothing about you helping with disaster relief. ( Jerrys1kitten ( talk) 10:21, 27 April 2011 (UTC)).
Independent verification is needed that Mr. Trump has a degree from U. of Pennsylvania. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.216.125.82 ( talk) 17:09, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
After trump's comments on 27 Apr, people in the media and politics have called for NBC to fire him. Most notably, Lawrence O'Donnell of sister-company MSNBC, [3] and US Rep Weiner [4]. -- Tangledorange ( talk) 08:48, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
WOULD SOMEBODY PLEASE EDIT HIS WIKI PROFILE TO INCLUDE HIS LATEST PROFESSIONAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS??CARNIVAL BARKING... :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.15.205.113 ( talk) 15:50, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
This article is starting to suffer from acute WP:RECENTISM. Trump has been in the public eye for many years, but the article is starting to get dominated by the ins-and-outside of his current political campaign and comments about Obama's birth. Please try to keep the article encyclopediac, that is, historical. Ashmoo ( talk) 12:06, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
There are some categories below about wrestling and Billionaires with TV shows etc. Which may need to be removed.-- — Keithbob • Talk • 16:19, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Politicians and people in the public eye in general are often the subject of political cartoons. However, that is no reason to source a ton of these cartoons in this article in the way that they were. Not only is this undue weight, and potentially a BLP violation in order to denegrate the article subject, I have never seen this done on any other political figure. Furthermore, it is borderline OR in that there are no actual articles making the argument, only WP editorializing that he is been criticized and then linking the cartoons to which WP editors feel meet the section. Arzel ( talk) 03:05, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
It's probably over the line into spam but I will point out that it is possible for political parody to be notable. For example, another wp:WELLKNOWN media personality, Sarah Palin (who also is a former governor) has this article subsection on WP: Public image of Sarah Palin#Parodies.-- Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden ( talk) 07:33, 28 April 2011 (UTC)"Political cartoonists have made reference to the issue. [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14]"
Fsir enough - I said above that I agree that third party RS would be best - so how about this one just quickly located. Likely there are others. (By the way, I would be interested in your reply to my comments about BLP, UNDUE and SPAM, as I would like to know why you think they apply.) Tvoz/ talk 23:40, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
-- Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden ( talk) 01:44, 2 May 2011 (UTC)As for Trump, the president said his decision to release his original, long-form birth certificate this week must have been a big relief for the New York real estate mogul. “He can finally get back to focusing on the issues that matter. Like, did we fake the moon landing? What really happened in Roswell? And where are Biggie and Tupac?”-- Politico
If he's openly calling himself a Presbyterian now then all the speculation about his religion should be removed. Quark1005 ( talk) 18:14, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
"take their oil" really needs to be in here. 72.228.177.92 ( talk) 11:43, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
Add Trump to "Billionaires with TV shows" Category:Billionaires with TV shows — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.108.238.25 ( talk) 19:47, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
At the Apr 27 conference, Trump made a whole new set of statements-- and it is these statements that have been reported on by some reliable sources as explicitly racist. This is a subtle distinction, be we need to be careful not to automatically conflate the two streams of criticism, as one does not necessarily imply the other to all people.
So, for example, Schieffer's reporting was most directly in reference to the "bad student"/Afffirmative Action statements. I've added more context of the Schieffer quote to make to it clear what Schiefer was replying to. -- Tangledorange ( talk) 02:16, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Removed
However, on April 22, 2011, Obama requested that the Hawaii Board of Health release a certified copy of his long-form birth certificate to him which they granted through special waivers.
On April 27, 2011, Obama provided the 'long form' birth certificate to the press. An image of the birth certificate, which confirmed details that were provided in 2008 on the short-form certification, was posted on the whitehouse.gov website.[123] At a press conference held shortly after the release, Trump credited the release to his efforts.
since that relates to the birther conspiracy, and doesn't really have anything to do with Donald Trump. Details of the birther conspiracy are on the birther conspiracy page.
Homo Logica ( talk) 06:48, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Obama spent a great deal of his speech at the 2011 White House Correspondents' Dinner mocking Trump in clear reaction to him and his whole birther conspiracy (1). I think this should be included in the "Statements about Barack Obama" section, somehow. -- Rogington2 ( talk) 18:21, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Only two of these are suggested to be used in the article.
Greetings. I object to the removal, repeatedly, of the word "racism" from this article. It is absolutely newsworthy and called for. I also object to the toilet humour of an editor who disagrees with me. - SusanLesch ( talk) 04:03, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
I'll give you guys a choice. Either we submit this argument to Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard or I ask User:Balloonman who is an administrator and an uninvolved editor to see if he has time to mediate. Your choice? - SusanLesch ( talk) 07:43, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Susan asked me to come in an mediate based upon previous mediation I did over at the Tea Pary Movement where I probably didn't satisfy anybody because I agreed with some of what both parties had to say. Other than minor contact during that mediation, I do not have any standing history with Susan. Right now, I do not have time to delve into the subject, but will try to look at it more closely this evening after the kiddos are in bed. That being said, I considered putting a full protection on the page based upon the dispute. The charge of Racism/racist is a serious charge and has to be treated seriously. The burden for including potentially BLP incendiary information falls upon those parties who wish to add it and the bar for such accusations HAS to be set high. Right now, there is no consensus and heated debate centered on the subject. My advice right now is to back off on the edits related to racism/t or I will protect the page (in the version that does not include the charges/allegations as dictated by WP:BLP.) It may be several hours before I get back to this article and when I do so, it'll take me a while to review the discussion and edits being sought, so bear with me. BUT let me reiterate, let's leave the allegations out for now.--- Balloonman Poppa Balloon 22:37, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Ok, I was asked to come here and give my take on this issue of allegations that Trump is a racist. First let me tell you where I stand on the subject. I tend to be on the conservative side of most issues, but I think Trump is an idiot who has said things that sound questionable at best and that if he somehow wins the Republican nomination next year that it will guarantee a second term for Obama---that's my opinion. I can say that as a person---I have never liked Trump. I can believe those statements to be true. But what I believe/think and what we can include in an article on Wikipedia are two different things. The standard for including controversial material on a BLP rest upon the party wishing to add the material. The more controversial/charged the inclusion, the higher the barrier has to be. This isn't just Wikipedia policy, but it is what is proper. We can't let allegations and controversial statements remain in Wikipedia unless they meet the highest barriers. Having a person express an opinion does not make it a fact.
The charge of racism is one of the most inflamatory allegations that people to levy today. John Hartigan Jr., professor of anthropology at The University of Texas at Austin, talks about conversation stoppers. Charges of racism/playing the race card are conversation stoppers; "When public debates become muddled by charges of racism, people will focus more on racial tensions and less on the issues that matter. [20] Paul Watchell, CUNY Distinguished Professor in clinical psychology at City University of New York Graduate Center, writes, "One key problem is that the words “racism” and “racist” tend to be conversation stoppers.... the accusation of racism may sometimes be experienced as an intimidating conversation-stopper and sometimes as a tiresome harangue that has little real impact whatever formal obeisance may or may not be paid."[jonsenglishsite.info/Class%20Docs%205/6_TalkingAboutRacism.doc] But the charge gets bandied about because people want to silence their opponents.
So what we have are a few people who have made allegations that Trump is racist based upon a few recent comments he's made. The fact that people have levied them is undeniable. But the question becomes how much weight and credence should we give them? Is Trump a racist? I don't think Wikipedia can declare that as a fact. Is this a persistent accusation or a new found one? As far as I know, it surfaced only after he declared an interest in running for office (I am not a Trump follower, but you would think that it would have interfered with his show if it was an ongoing issue.) Trump has attacked Obama for several issues. Some of them bring images of race to the forefront. The whole birther controversy and now the implication that Obama only went to college because of Affirmative Action. Is he playing to those issues because he is a racist or an opportunist? Politics is a nasty business.
Personally, I would shy away from the statement that he is a racist. Those are, IMO, character issues and allegations made to devalue the target. We need to be very careful about repeating those allegations, even if we attribute the opinion to somebody else. Especially if these allegations are A) recent and B) based upon a few isolated sound bytes. I am not saying that we can white wash the whole issue, we probably need to say something, but we need to address it in a very careful manner. My OPINION is that we focus on how the words/issues are perceived (as potentially race driven/playing to racism) rather than personal attacks on Trump.--- Balloonman Poppa Balloon 04:50, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
So, not-just recent and highly notable in the campaign. oodles and oodles of reliable sources for all the facts, far more critics and new stories than you could ever want. -- Tangledorange ( talk) 12:08, 5 May 2011 (UTC)