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What are people's thoughts on adding a timeline of his political party history? Since it is his history with it is convulated I thought adding a timeline might aid readers in understanding it. Have a look at the one I made on the right, it can be easily adjusted. Regards Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 11:58, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
SPECIFICO has reverted my removal of the section "Pandemic response program terminated" (talking about a 2019 program) [1]. I think the the edit summary "One of the most significant policy moves of Trump's presidency or actions of his lifetime." is clearly an exaggeration. If I read [2] correctly, the program never actually shut down; it was scheduled to shut down in March 2020 but had an emergency six-month extension. Furthermore, none of the sources demonstrate that the program has or could have made any impact; it's not like he shut down the entire WHO (and leaving WHO is in the article separately). power~enwiki ( π, ν) 18:29, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
As planned, PREDICT is scheduled to end in March 2020 following the expiration of its second, five-year period of performance. While PREDICT is closing, the Bureau for Global Health at USAID is planning a successor project, which we intend to award through a competitive procurement process in 2020," wrote Richard Parker, assistant administrator for the Bureau of Legislative and Public Affairs,. LA Times:
Field work ceased when the funding ran out in September, and organizations that worked on the PREDICT program laid off dozens of scientists and analysts, said Peter Daszak, president of EcoHealth Alliance, a key player in the program.That's like selling the fire engines and then starting a competitive procurement process for new ones. Space4Time3Continuum2x ( talk) 18:49, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
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The Wikipedia Article on Donald Trump is unfair and bias. I recommend whoever made it take notes from this one: https://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/Donald_J_Trump because it is more fair to his legacy and the things he did. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thedino778 ( talk • contribs) 16:42, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
Trump is viewed as a King among some of his supporters. Pass. – Muboshgu ( talk) 17:03, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
Trump made many false and misleading statements during his campaigns and presidency, to a degree unprecedented in American politics. Many of his comments and actions have been characterized as racially charged or racist.Which is untrue. As well as,
He attempted to overturn the results by making false claims of electoral fraud, pressuring government officials, mounting scores of unsuccessful legal challenges and obstructing the presidential transition.which is also untrue, there were many things wrong with the election that he was trying to fix, not trying to overturn the results and he never "obstructed the presidential transition"– Thedino778 ( talk) 18:10, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
This needs hating as clear soapboxing. Slatersteven ( talk) 18:59, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
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You guys might also want to mention the fact that he had the quickest Military mobilization for covid-19 since WW2 and generally you leave out other good things he did Thedino778 ( talk) 20:02, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
Hang on a moment. Thedino778 ( talk) 20:26, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
Anyway at the very least in the article about Trump you should mention the supplies he got to the front lines, such as: "Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) deliveries coordinated or currently being shipped by FEMA and HHS: 38.2 million N95 respirators 32.6 million surgical masks 5.5 million face shields 4.7 million surgical gowns 30.3 million gloves 212,000 coveralls 8,600 medical station beds Ventilators provided or shipped so far from the Strategic National Stockpile and the Department of Defense: More than 10,800 nationwide 4,400 to New York 1,558 to New Jersey 700 to Michigan 600 to Illinois 470 to Maryland 400 to Louisiana FEMA launched Project Air Bridge to expedite imports of critical PPEs. More than 40 Air Bridge flights have taken place as of April 14. 28 million tablets of Hydroxychloroquine have been shipped across the country from the Strategic National Stockpile."
And there's a montage of governors somewhere online (Including Cuomo) thanking him for it. Thedino778 ( talk) 20:45, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
So are you going to accept my edit request. I am asking that you make the article less bias because you said you cover the "entirety" which is untrue. you only cover bad things about him.
All I need is a simple yes or no, then i'll go away, never answered me before. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Thedino778 ( talk) 21:28, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
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"baselessly alleged election fraud" Bull! Wrong! False! Democrat judges across the country REFUSED to hear about legitimate election fraud. They REFUSED to allow petitioners to be heard in courts, refused to read or consider over 5000+ sworn affidavits of election fraud. Refused to comment on videos showing ballots boxes pulled out from under tables like in Fulton County, Georgia and votes processed without Republican poll watchers.
Trump urged his supporters on January 6, 2021 to PEACEFULLY protest to take out country back. 76.14.131.199 ( talk) 09:34, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
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The accounts on the page are mostly incorrect. There is misreporting and then blatant lies. There is too many to list as this would entail a project. if interested i will conduct the project however, with your approval first.
An example. the paragraph "far right" indicated that Donald Trump never rebuked the white extremists and David Duke. This is incorrect. There is numerous news clips where he does rebuke and also reiterate the rebuke. 41.180.41.252 ( talk) 16:24, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
loser.com has equal — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.242.122.111 ( talk) 13:43, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
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Why is the link loser.com he is not a loser. 93.108.204.23 ( talk) 09:38, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
Talk:Republican Party (United States)#RfC: Paragraph under "Democracy" subsection may be of interest to y'all. Come on over! soibangla ( talk) 02:01, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
@ SPECIFICO: please explain why my edits were not NPOV? Kind regards, Willbb234 Talk (please {{ ping}} me in replies) 19:42, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
Diff: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Donald_Trump&type=revision&diff=1011361580&oldid=1011361167
Maybe some discussion on false vs exaggerated is warranted but that change should have consensus. The rewording of the language around the storming of the capitol is not reflective of RS and appears to be a POV edit. Shadybabs ( talk) 15:06, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
Let's try to treat one another as valued colleagues with whom we're disagreeing rather than getting snarky with one another. This is a difficult article to work on, and it's likely to remain so for the foreseeable future for so many reasons. That makes it both more tempting to react to one another with snark and more important that we try to resist that temptation. —valereee ( talk) 16:29, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
More generally, when an editor is consistently dismissing reliable sources and tendentiously downplaying a violent and lethal extremist action aimed at overthrowing a nation's democracy, tone-policing the sort of very mild pushback in Neutrality's edit summary is not the most constructive use of one's time, nor the best way to support this site's underlying goals and values. MastCell Talk 18:37, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
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If you have doubts about user's conduct, take it to their talk page. Slatersteven ( talk) 19:25, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
I've added Trump's child picture onto commons. Does anybody believe that this image has some use anywhere on this page or anywhere else on the site? I'm asking this because I do not feel like added this to his early life section for it to be reverted. I believe this can possibly be used in his early life section next to his military portrait. This is a great picture depicting what Donald Trump looked like when he was a child. ₛₒₘₑBₒdyₐₙyBₒdy₀₅ ( talk) 17:10, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
Praxidicae, This image is most likely in the possession of the Trump family and not of CNN or any other major news network as I found the same colorization of the image on different major news organization articles about Trump's life story, Here's one from a Time article from 2016 where the image is featured: [3], Here's an article from Snopes that confirms this a image of donald trump as a child: [4]. And another source also confirms this is a image taken of trump a age 4: [5]. This image and another similar colorization of the same image are widely used around the internet that confirm this image was taken between 1950 and 1951 and is of. ₛₒₘₑBₒdyₐₙyBₒdy₀₅ ( talk) 17:45, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
User:Berchanhimez, The same reason why there are images on the article sections in the first place, To creatively add a representative image that can bring readers in. This is the exact reason I brought this to the talk page to begin with. And what make an image "encyclopedic" to you? This image purpose is to possibly show readers what Trump looked like in his "early life". ₛₒₘₑBₒdyₐₙyBₒdy₀₅ ( talk) 17:45, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
This work is in the public domain in the United States because it was published in the United States between 1926 and 1977it's highly unlikely that this was published publicly upon it's creation and thus your weird interpretation of PD doesn't apply. CUPIDICAE💕 17:47, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
The "Conflicts of interest" section uses the unspecific and non-neutral term "ethics experts" twice. I think the paragraph could be simply rewritten to point out that unless Trump sold his businesses he would continue to profit from them. Alternatively, the "ethics experts" could be specified. As it stands, the continual use of the term "ethics experts" seems to violate the NPOV policy and the prohibition on weasel words.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 09:18, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
can you add that he is ranked as one of the worst presidents in American history — Preceding unsigned comment added by TTTTRZON ( talk • contribs) 15:33, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
There isn`t really a whole of lot information here regarding what`s he`s doing since Biden got sworn in..I`m not saying it matters but it`s odd considering the length of this article that as soon as he`s out there`s virtually nothing. 2600:1702:2340:9470:9512:EF4F:1107:4D3D ( talk) 04:46, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
I have not heard about him post presidency 2601:1C2:101:3480:6C4E:310B:BAB0:DE2A ( talk) 15:40, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
@ Slatersteven: that's right, there are two sources, but only one calls it a "racist rhetoric" which is why I have specified that. Please revert your edit. Kind regards, Willbb234 Talk (please {{ ping}} me in replies) 16:34, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
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I trimmed some citations from the article here but was reverted, and this should be restored. All the content is still supported by the remaining references. Onetwothreeip ( talk) 08:18, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
Given the size of the article, should these citations as edited here be trimmed? Onetwothreeip ( talk) 02:56, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
Many of Trump's comments and actions have been considered racist.It is not saying that Trump's comments or actions are racist, but that they are considered racist. This simply does not need six citations; my version retains two for this sentence (and there are about thirty citations in the rest of the Trump racism section). The two citations I retain are titled "Donald Trump's long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2019" and "Every moment in Trump's charged relationship with race". These sources are from Vox and PBS respectively, which are both reliable, and the articles certainly detail Trump's comments and actions being considered racist, if not himself being characterised as racist. These two sources are very thorough, and not simply focusing on whatever racial controversy was happening in the news. Personally I think either of these sources are enough for this one sentence, but if you feel they are not then please let me know. Onetwothreeip ( talk) 01:34, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
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The sentences we have in the lead regarding impeachment are currently ...the
House of Representatives
impeached him in December 2019 for
abuse of power and
obstruction of
Congress. The
Senate
acquitted him of both charges in February 2020.
for the first one, and Seven days later, the House
impeached him for
incitement of insurrection, making him the only federal officeholder in American history to be impeached twice. The Senate
acquitted Trump on February 13, 2021.
for the second one.
If I were a reader who knew nothing about Trump and were coming here to learn about him, I'd come away from these sentences with a severe misunderstanding of what took place. Just saying that the House/Senate impeached/acquitted him leaves out the absolutely essential context (noted in basically every RS covering the impeachments) that the process was highly partisan, and that the acquittals were not the result of Republicans weighing the evidence and finding it unpersuasive (as an uninformed reader might reasonably assume from the current language) so much as making a political decision not to go against a president from their own party. They self-admitted as much: "I'm not an impartial juror" is a direct quote from Mitch McConnell.
To remedy this, I propose changing the first instance of Senate
acquitted him
to Republican-controlled Senate
acquitted him
and the second instance to Republican senators
blocked a conviction on February 12, 2021
. This provides purely factual information that helps establish the essential partisan context of the trials.Edit: Paragraph modified, see below. 06:59, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
The GOP claims that Democrats acted in a similarly partisan fashion have not been widely adopted by RS in their own voice the same way as is true for Republicans, so I have concerns that it would be
false balance to add Democratic-controlled House
, but I would prefer both over neither. {{u|
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Comment Broadly speaking, your notions are part of a general issue that has been on my mind. There are those that would like articles such as this to just state the bare facts, and there are others, such as I, that think it is important to provide the context, implications, meaning, etc. behind the bare facts. The latter approach requires more text. What you propose is a slippery slope, fraught with peril. It is also not quite correct to lay the partisan nature of the events to "Republicans" - it is perhaps more correct to speak of Trumpists and how the Trump cult has come to dominate the Republican party. An alternate approach may be to back up a bit in the lead with some statement to the effect that Trump's personality and election deceit came to dominate the views of his followers and the Republican party. The lead (and article) is missing the notion that the self-serving, bizzaro world that Trump spun has come to dominate Republican politics, a Trump cult dominates, disconnected from facts. Such a statement will likely be more necessary as the next few years unfold with Trump's evidently continued dominance of Republican politics. The lead, IMO, does not refute the massive election disinformation strongly enough - we used to have the statement that the election was the most secure in history, but it got removed. Perhaps some alternate language to yours to consider might be "the Senate acquitted Trump, with many Republicans continuing to express belief in widespread election impropriety," or something like that. Bdushaw ( talk) 10:17, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
Hey all, I'm not a content creator but I was working on some categorization for an article in Category:Cults of personality and thought that maybe, in time, an article on Trump with this focus would be warranted. Whatever your opinion of Trump, pro or con, I think he definitely had (still has?) a cult of personality similar to some other world leaders. It probably would cross-over a bit with the article on his use of social media but I don't think a U.S. political party has had a leader with a singularly devoted following as Trump had in generations. Liz Read! Talk! 02:15, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
I recall not insubstantial reporting on the disappointment and shock of more than a few Trump supporters after Biden's inauguration. Many people felt duped. Comparisons to some of the historical political cult figures are not really relevant or fair. Trump had and has a considerable following - if we accept what the true nature of Trumpism is (according to RS's), such following is certainly cult-like; an irrational, misguided following. There are more similar examples in American history of such cults, e.g., Charles Coughlin or Huey Long. Trump is one of America's great demagogues, though there is wide agreement not to call him so in a Wikipedia article. Bdushaw ( talk) 18:45, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
Is there any significant amount of RS that say there is a cult of personality? Slatersteven ( talk) 18:48, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
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. . . the GOP literally had no party platform in 2020. It was Trump, Trump, Trump. A cult of personality.
At this time, Donald Trump had yet to consolidate his cult of personality, the media did not have a ban on us, and the public was highly receptive.
Unfortunately, and quite distressingly, over the last four years our party has veered away from core values and big visions, to devolve into a fiefdom of one person. Cult-like loyalty has never led to good.
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you need to remove the part that says Donald trump reacted slowly to the coronavirus because it makes him sound bad and he isn't he was specifically told by Democratic leaders and the CDC to do somethings and not others and then when it fits the story he was bashed and called xenophobic by the radical far-left media. 12.144.145.252 ( talk) 16:53, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
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Donald Trump was the oldest first-term U.S. president, a distinction he held until 2021 when Joseph Biden was inaugurated at age 78. 2600:8807:C884:6100:DD6D:E399:D6DB:942F ( talk) 03:30, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
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It is impossible that Donald Trump is 6’3”. Here is a link of a picture of him standing next to Justin Trudeau who identifies as 6’2”. I would say at most Trump is 6’ or less.
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When was Category:COVID-19 conspiracy theorists added, as there is a claim it was added only a day ago, and is thus covered by wp:brd, as far as I can tell it has been in the article months, what am I missing? Slatersteven ( talk) 15:45, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
From a neutral point of view if you look at the "very fine people" comment was taken way out of context because he was talking about the people that were protesting for the statue to be up and said condemn the white supremacists I'm not understanding how this can be considered racism..
Trump's comment on the 2017 far-right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia—that there were "very fine people on both sides"—was widely criticized as implying a moral equivalence between white supremacist demonstrators and counter-protesters.[814][815][816]
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...when articles like Donald Trump's page is full of disproven "facts" such as the Charlottesville protest and speech - that you vigorously defend the false narrative by insinuating racism, makes one wonder how much of your other pages are so biased, making them unusable for fact-finding. When you let statements like "false claims of electoral fraud, pressuring government officials" remain, it reinforces that view. Defending things like "false" claims instead of just "claims" again proves your bias. His page is so riddled with biased innuendo, I don't know if I can even trust your page on plate tectonics to be used as reference in my kids school projects.
Clean up and ensure unbiased facts are used. I shouldn't be able to read ANY article and have a sense of what political leaning your editors have. 45.37.131.217 ( talk) 14:50, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Emir of Wikipedia ( talk) 20:07, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
Hi, fellow Wikipedians! I'm Dswitz10734. One of my edits was recently reverted on this page. I want a consensus on the talk page to change this paragraph. The change I want is in italics.
Trump lost the 2020 presidential election to Biden, but refused to concede defeat. He attempted to overturn the results by making false claims of electoral fraud, pressuring government officials, mounting scores of unsuccessful legal challenges and obstructing the presidential transition. On the day Congress met to tally the electoral votes, January 6, 2021, Trump rallied his supporters and told them to march to the Capitol. When they arrived, hundreds of them broke through security barricades and stormed the Capitol, resulting in the deaths of five people and forcing Congress to evacuate. Seven days later, the House impeached Trump for incitement of insurrection, making him the only federal officeholder in American history to be impeached twice. The Senate acquitted Trump for the second time on February 13, 2021.
Trump lost the 2020 presidential election to Biden, but refused to concede defeat. He attempted to overturn the results by making false claims of electoral fraud, pressuring government officials, mounting scores of unsuccessful legal challenges and obstructing the presidential transition. On the day Congress met to tally the electoral votes, January 6, 2021, Trump rallied his supporters and told them to "peacefully and patriotically" make their voices heard. [2] Following his statements, many of his supporters went to the Capitol. When they arrived, hundreds of them broke through security barricades and stormed the Capitol, resulting in the deaths of five people and forcing Congress to evacuate. Seven days later, the House impeached Trump for incitement of insurrection, making him the only federal officeholder in American history to be impeached twice. The Senate acquitted Trump for the second time on February 13, 2021.
The word "march" makes it seem like Trump encouraged the violence. I'm sure he didn't want violence nor deaths, but the light he is in seems to get that message across to the reader. I wanted to make it clear in the article that Trump didn't encourage deaths, but he said to "peacefully and patriotically" [11] express your feelings.
I didn't want the article to convey that Trump wanted the violence without a reference; this article should be neutral. I noticed when I referenced that site that it was citation number 1. That means that the entire intro is citeless! (I made that word up because it makes sense ;-) ) Please tell me your thoughts so we can get a consensus. Thank you for your time and I hope to hear from you soon! Dswitz10734 ( talk) 17:10, 23 March 2021 (UTC) P.S. Requesting comment from Slatersteven
The language was very different from other sections, which borrowed more from combat or war.The overall message that was given to the mob was not one of peace. The article continues,
He clearly knew there were people in that crowd who were ready to and intended to be violent, and he certainly did nothing to discourage that. He not only did nothing to discourage it, he strongly hinted it should happen.– Muboshgu ( talk) 17:18, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
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Can you cite a source for this passage, "On the day
Congress met to tally the electoral votes, January 6, 2021, Trump rallied his supporters and told them to march to the
Capitol. When they arrived, hundreds of them broke through security barricades and
stormed the Capitol, resulting in the deaths of five people and forcing Congress to evacuate." To be exact, cite something that shows proof that Trump rallied his supporters to storm the capitol.
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Taking a look back at other presidential bio articles, notable legislation signed into law by the President is almost always referred to specifically by the name of the legislation. I propose that we follow convention and do this as well for this article. Specifically "a tax-cut package" should be written as the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 and "criminal justice reform" should be the First Step Act. Basil the Bat Lord ( talk) 00:47, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
He enacted a tax-cut package for individuals and businesses. I think that's good. Some pieces of legislation have a very well-known name and should be referred to by that name. But many (the tax cut act included) are better known and more clearly described by what they did. Legislation names are also almost always promotional, so it's also often more neutral to describe them than name them. Names can also take up more space, especially if they have to be described, and space is something we don't have. {{u| Sdkb}} talk 04:38, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
He enacted the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017, which rescinded the health insurance mandate penalty of the Affordable Care Act. He signed criminal justice reform with the First Step Act, and appointed Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court.
Given there is a separate article on the "wall", do we really need three paragraphs here? As far as I can see, it seems to be a simple matter of Trump promised X, and Trump delivered Y.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 07:50, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
Per overwhelming scholarly consensus, please add to the lead (1st sentence would be best) reflecting the universal opinion of experts: “Trump is almost universally regarded as the worst president of all time.” https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/is-donald-trump-the-worst-us-president-ever-historians-say-so-20210115-p56u9w.html
Now, I’m familiar with some of the dubious argumentative strategies some of you will engage in to avoid publishing this material. “It’s too soon!” you’ll say. “We haven’t had time to reflect on this issue!” you’ll cry. To you I say, when did you become expert historians? It is not our job to judge whether the historians should yet have arrived at such an overwhelming, magnificent consensus that Trump is the worst president in history, and has no serious competitors for that dishonor. It is simply our job to record what the experts on a matter say, and not to second guess, falsely posing as experts ourselves. “But..but.but.. the historical opinion may change!” If the historical opinion changes, the article changes when historical opinion changes. We don’t refrain from publishing expert scholarship because a random wikipedia editor has a hunch that someday scholarly opinion might shift. 67.85.103.120 ( talk) 14:08, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is an American media personality and businessman who served as the 45th president of the United States from 2017 to 2021, is universally regarded as the worst president of all time? Thanoscar21 talk, contribs 00:01, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/01/17/covid-19-us-400-000-deaths-experts-blame-trump-administration/6642685002/ https://khn.org/news/nation-records-400000-covid-deaths-on-last-day-of-donald-trump-presidency/
Trump killed 400,000 people in less then a year Trump killed 400,000 US citizens from Feburary 2020 to January 2021 Trump killed more then 3,000 people per day in January. Trump is thought to be the president who killed the most people since Woodrow Wilson killed 675,000 people in 1918 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.169.177.29 ( talk • contribs)
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The section on opinion polling of Donald Trump is highly misleading in my opinion. In general, the section cherry picks inidividual polls, whilst it should instead show the averages.
Most notably, the characterisation on opinion polling when Trump left office is incorrect. The CNN article cited does provide the cited numbers, but said numbers are simply some of those highlighted to drive home a point, not an accurate representation of averages. Becauae of this, it is completely false to claim his end-of-term approval was between 29 and 34 percent. The correct number, the average that Enten shows, is actually 39 percent, not between 29 and 34.
The section also makes the mistake of using different pollsters in different sentences, which is invalid because pollsters have house effects and biases, meaning you shouldn't simply compare one poll to another one in the way that is done, especially with no acknowledgement. It is misleading to use Gallup polls to showcase the range of polls during his Presidency, and then use different polls to document his final approval. I suggest rewriting this paragraph to the following:
"Throughout Trump's first term, he had the steadiest approval rating since World War II, usually hovering between 40 and 45 percent according to aggregator FiveThirtyEight. [2] He completed his term with an average approval of 39 percent according to CNN, making him the first President in modern polling history to end his first term with approval below 40 percent.[736] Trump's approval ratings showed a record partisan gap: over the course of his presidency, Trump's approval rating among Republicans was 88 percent and his approval rating among Democrats was 7 percent according to Gallup.[737]"
In general, this changes to using averages where I could find a good source and explicitly cites polls being used otherwise. I removed the sentence on his average approval during his term, as this was taken solely from Gallup, whereas other numbers in the section use different pollsters so the comparison is misleading. I also removed the upper and lower range cited by NBC. These two figures are replaced by the average range cited by 538. This average range of between 40 and 45 percent both highlights Trump's average throughout his term and its stability, is more accurate because it is an aggregate, and avoids misleadingly comparing different pollsters.
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Remove wording suggesting that Trump made false claims of election fraud. A recount is taking place in Maricopa County, AZ. Add the fact that the recount is underway. 2603:8000:6F06:2527:C874:B59D:FF99:B833 ( talk) 22:07, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
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Request to change the wording in reference to Donald Trump’s response during the pandemic. Trump intended to start the response by enacting a travel ban on Chinese nationals. The country that had the highest population density of infections. Trump was then called a racist for this travel ban, or the ban was called ineffective.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/494697-pelosi-on-trumps-china-travel-ban-it-wasnt-this-great-moment%3famp 2601:206:8200:9390:9D06:626B:3D9:8452 ( talk) 03:19, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
Moved from my Talk page for discussion.
Violation of editing restrictions on Donald Trump You have violated the following editing restriction: "If an edit you make is reverted you must discuss on the talk page and wait 24 hours before reinstating your edit." Self revert immediately. Also the significance for his life and Presidency is that the Accords were his major foreign policy success during his time as President and led to him getting recognition as a pro-Israel President. You know, literally what the sources all say?! Davefelmer ( talk) 15:52, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
I would say this is not yet a significant enough event for us to say it is part of his lasting legacy. Slatersteven ( talk) 17:44, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Can we add a paragraph under the racism section on how his reference to the "China virus" was racist and may have contributed to asian hate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.223.155.114 ( talk) 17:34, April 13, 2021 (UTC)
Well no, calling a virus by the country it's from isn't racist Pyromilke ( talk) 01:17, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
In the main article, it states: "Many of his comments and actions have been characterized as racially charged or racist.", but the Racial views of Donald Trump article begins with: " Donald Trump, the former president of the United States, has a history of speech and actions that have been widely viewed by scholars and the public as racist or white supremacist."
Should the statement in the main article be changed to what is said in the Racial views of Donald Trump article, or vice versa? Isi96 ( talk) 03:09, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
Yes Ev666 ( talk) 14:15, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
A New York Times article was released in February 2021 stating that President Biden barred President Trump for receiving intelligence briefings out of office. I would like to suggest that this be added to the “Post-presidency” section of the article, as all other living former presidents do receive briefings.
Here’s a link to the article: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/05/us/politics/biden-trump-intelligence-briefings.html?fbclid=IwAR2coyi8JTSi_EhapllBje7OE2l7vuPFUk0XxmoYHHHIvlnkM2C1A1JuxAE LordVesuvius ( talk) 18:15, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
To my knowledge, he is the only living former president to be denied access to intelligence briefings. The other living former presidents can decline them, but only Trump has been denied them. LordVesuvius ( talk) 18:20, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
I have links to various articles on the subject, but I am unable to post them here.
LordVesuvius ( talk) 18:32, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
For some reason when I tried to, I got a message saying “cannot publish edit” or something along those lines. And you can Google “do former presidents receive briefings?” and you should be able to find the information that way. LordVesuvius ( talk) 19:00, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
It’s a possibility. But would the addition to the post-presidency section be acceptable? The source I have is from the New York Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/05/us/politics/biden-trump-intelligence-briefings.html LordVesuvius ( talk) 00:26, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
The prose of this article is pretty long,with over 6 paragraphs (5 if you exclude the starting sentence). Many we can tighten it up? 4 paragraphs is the ideal number for an article of this scale. Blue Jay ( talk) 02:49, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/american_english/politician?q=politician
If Andrew Yang and Kanye West can be considered politicians on their articles, two persons who have never held elected office, why can the same not be said for a former US President? He meets the dictionary definition of the word, see above.
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You say, while neglecting to respond to the fact that he meets the dictionary definition of the word. He is also in fact still referred to as a politician at the top of this talk page. And could you please explain how those other 2 articles are mistaken? DeaconShotFire ( talk) 09:44, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
Focusing on the payment issue here is arch semantics. Someone who has held the office of President is clearly and demonstrably a politician. He may not have been a good one, or a typical one, but he's one none the less Pipsally ( talk) 10:27, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
whether the term "politician" should also be included in a first sentence that has a structure akin to that of choice A. The closer was mistaken in stating that adding "politician" was
an idea some editors pitched during the middle of the discussion. It was first added as an option by Sdkb two hours after the discussion was started, at a time when three other discussions of the same matter were ongoing and several editors were opposed to starting another one per se as well as to the format of the fourth one. Trump may not be a "career politician" or a "professional politician" but he's been active in populist politics for decades. Maybe it's time to have that RfC. Space4Time3Continuum2x ( talk) 13:16, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
"Politician" is in the eye of the beholder. If Donald Trump's fans behold a guy who isn't a politician, who is he to complain? He'll just sit there quietly, acting, getting things done.
Is Trump a Fugitive? I see no detail in article but it has the following category: >Category:Fugitives wanted by Iran Some please verify and delete Category as needed. Thanks, SWP13 ( talk) 04:18, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Category or no, I've added the relevant info to the relevant section, using a story from NPR, an outlet already considered reliable there. Missing the URL, can't paste. Any mitigating factors or excuses within are fair game, too, if desired. InedibleHulk ( talk) 22:23, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
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The official wikipedia page for former President Donald John Trump is wrong. It is wrong in the sense that all other past U.S. Presidents are marked on wikipedia as having gone to 'X... University' (Yale University, for example (Clinton)).
On the official wikipedia page for former President Donald John Trump it is OMMITTED, that 'Wharton School' is ACTUALLY only a minor college and part of The University of Pennsylvania.
The official wikipedia page for former President Donald John Trump should categorically state U. of Pennsylvania. 2601:14B:200:17D0:A116:B71E:EA64:CB34 ( talk) 02:43, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
This user is right. Trump's page needs to say University of Pennsylvania. Obama is listed as having graduated from Columbia University, not Columbia College. For GWB, Yale University is listed, not Yale College. Same for Bill Clinton, who graduated from Georgetown College at Georgetown University. So why is Trump the only president who has the college within the university listed?
I believe the reason is to deceive the public, because saying one graduated from "Wharton" heavily implies earning an MBA, and Wikipedia is continuing to perpetuate that deception by treating Trump's page differently from all other former U.S. presidents. Ajlipp ( talk) 16:48, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
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81.97.225.229 ( talk) 12:12, 9 May 2021 (UTC)he is a sex predator
When I think of racism, it is a stronger form of prejudice where someone considers one race superior to another. Prejudice (pre-judgement) is "An unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason. Any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable. Unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, especially of a hostile nature, regarding an ethnic, racial, social, or religious group." Growing up, my generation was taught a very firm distinction between the two terms. I wholeheartedly, undoubtedly think Trump pre judges people based on race, religion, sex, gender, etc. He'll kick you out of a country but he wouldn't take it to the extremes. He's a fast talker from the 50's-80's and that is simply not the same thing. Jawz101 ( talk) 15:49, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
@ Srodgers1701: Please note that this article is under active arbitration remedies. Your edit was reverted. IAW the 24-hr BRD cycle, you shouldn't have reinstated it without discussing it on the talk page first. Space4Time3Continuum2x ( talk) 17:18, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
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After birth date add city he was born Queens, New York City WikiHuman2021 ( talk) 08:11, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
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The spreading of misinformation is spread by the left media NOT Trump. Your information is incorrect and needs to be corrected if you want to be a RELIABLE SOURCE OF INFORMATION. Anyone with half a brain can read your article and see it sounds like a personal opinionated social media post. 2600:1004:B058:6BF7:E005:3F75:C244:A50B ( talk) 12:53, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
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"On January 6, 2021, Trump urged his supporters to march to the Capitol, which hundreds stormed, interrupting the electoral vote count."
This statement strongly implies that Trump caused or fomented an insurrection, which is a mainstream media lie, as was what the media reported about Charlottesville. Here is what Trump said: "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.” Unless you have direct evidence e.g. footage where Trump himself encourages/incites an insurrection, this sentence needs to be revised for the sake of NPOV. OTherwise, Wikipedia has become nothing more than Left-wing propaganda. Tpkatsa ( talk) 22:01, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
which is a mainstream media lie, as was what the media reported about Charlottesville.I'm unaware of an actual reliable source that states this. YODADICAE👽 22:09, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
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Trump's history of political parties | ||
1985 — – 1990 — – 1995 — – 2000 — – 2005 — – 2010 — – 2015 — – 2020 — | ||
What are people's thoughts on adding a timeline of his political party history? Since it is his history with it is convulated I thought adding a timeline might aid readers in understanding it. Have a look at the one I made on the right, it can be easily adjusted. Regards Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 11:58, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
SPECIFICO has reverted my removal of the section "Pandemic response program terminated" (talking about a 2019 program) [1]. I think the the edit summary "One of the most significant policy moves of Trump's presidency or actions of his lifetime." is clearly an exaggeration. If I read [2] correctly, the program never actually shut down; it was scheduled to shut down in March 2020 but had an emergency six-month extension. Furthermore, none of the sources demonstrate that the program has or could have made any impact; it's not like he shut down the entire WHO (and leaving WHO is in the article separately). power~enwiki ( π, ν) 18:29, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
As planned, PREDICT is scheduled to end in March 2020 following the expiration of its second, five-year period of performance. While PREDICT is closing, the Bureau for Global Health at USAID is planning a successor project, which we intend to award through a competitive procurement process in 2020," wrote Richard Parker, assistant administrator for the Bureau of Legislative and Public Affairs,. LA Times:
Field work ceased when the funding ran out in September, and organizations that worked on the PREDICT program laid off dozens of scientists and analysts, said Peter Daszak, president of EcoHealth Alliance, a key player in the program.That's like selling the fire engines and then starting a competitive procurement process for new ones. Space4Time3Continuum2x ( talk) 18:49, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
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The Wikipedia Article on Donald Trump is unfair and bias. I recommend whoever made it take notes from this one: https://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/Donald_J_Trump because it is more fair to his legacy and the things he did. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thedino778 ( talk • contribs) 16:42, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
Trump is viewed as a King among some of his supporters. Pass. – Muboshgu ( talk) 17:03, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
Trump made many false and misleading statements during his campaigns and presidency, to a degree unprecedented in American politics. Many of his comments and actions have been characterized as racially charged or racist.Which is untrue. As well as,
He attempted to overturn the results by making false claims of electoral fraud, pressuring government officials, mounting scores of unsuccessful legal challenges and obstructing the presidential transition.which is also untrue, there were many things wrong with the election that he was trying to fix, not trying to overturn the results and he never "obstructed the presidential transition"– Thedino778 ( talk) 18:10, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
This needs hating as clear soapboxing. Slatersteven ( talk) 18:59, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
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You guys might also want to mention the fact that he had the quickest Military mobilization for covid-19 since WW2 and generally you leave out other good things he did Thedino778 ( talk) 20:02, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
Hang on a moment. Thedino778 ( talk) 20:26, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
Anyway at the very least in the article about Trump you should mention the supplies he got to the front lines, such as: "Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) deliveries coordinated or currently being shipped by FEMA and HHS: 38.2 million N95 respirators 32.6 million surgical masks 5.5 million face shields 4.7 million surgical gowns 30.3 million gloves 212,000 coveralls 8,600 medical station beds Ventilators provided or shipped so far from the Strategic National Stockpile and the Department of Defense: More than 10,800 nationwide 4,400 to New York 1,558 to New Jersey 700 to Michigan 600 to Illinois 470 to Maryland 400 to Louisiana FEMA launched Project Air Bridge to expedite imports of critical PPEs. More than 40 Air Bridge flights have taken place as of April 14. 28 million tablets of Hydroxychloroquine have been shipped across the country from the Strategic National Stockpile."
And there's a montage of governors somewhere online (Including Cuomo) thanking him for it. Thedino778 ( talk) 20:45, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
So are you going to accept my edit request. I am asking that you make the article less bias because you said you cover the "entirety" which is untrue. you only cover bad things about him.
All I need is a simple yes or no, then i'll go away, never answered me before. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Thedino778 ( talk) 21:28, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
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"baselessly alleged election fraud" Bull! Wrong! False! Democrat judges across the country REFUSED to hear about legitimate election fraud. They REFUSED to allow petitioners to be heard in courts, refused to read or consider over 5000+ sworn affidavits of election fraud. Refused to comment on videos showing ballots boxes pulled out from under tables like in Fulton County, Georgia and votes processed without Republican poll watchers.
Trump urged his supporters on January 6, 2021 to PEACEFULLY protest to take out country back. 76.14.131.199 ( talk) 09:34, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
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The accounts on the page are mostly incorrect. There is misreporting and then blatant lies. There is too many to list as this would entail a project. if interested i will conduct the project however, with your approval first.
An example. the paragraph "far right" indicated that Donald Trump never rebuked the white extremists and David Duke. This is incorrect. There is numerous news clips where he does rebuke and also reiterate the rebuke. 41.180.41.252 ( talk) 16:24, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
loser.com has equal — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.242.122.111 ( talk) 13:43, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
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Why is the link loser.com he is not a loser. 93.108.204.23 ( talk) 09:38, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
Talk:Republican Party (United States)#RfC: Paragraph under "Democracy" subsection may be of interest to y'all. Come on over! soibangla ( talk) 02:01, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
@ SPECIFICO: please explain why my edits were not NPOV? Kind regards, Willbb234 Talk (please {{ ping}} me in replies) 19:42, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
Diff: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Donald_Trump&type=revision&diff=1011361580&oldid=1011361167
Maybe some discussion on false vs exaggerated is warranted but that change should have consensus. The rewording of the language around the storming of the capitol is not reflective of RS and appears to be a POV edit. Shadybabs ( talk) 15:06, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
Let's try to treat one another as valued colleagues with whom we're disagreeing rather than getting snarky with one another. This is a difficult article to work on, and it's likely to remain so for the foreseeable future for so many reasons. That makes it both more tempting to react to one another with snark and more important that we try to resist that temptation. —valereee ( talk) 16:29, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
More generally, when an editor is consistently dismissing reliable sources and tendentiously downplaying a violent and lethal extremist action aimed at overthrowing a nation's democracy, tone-policing the sort of very mild pushback in Neutrality's edit summary is not the most constructive use of one's time, nor the best way to support this site's underlying goals and values. MastCell Talk 18:37, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
An editor's sanctions history should be discussed at the editor's talk page, not an article talk page. Levivich harass/ hound 20:07, 11 March 2021 (UTC) |
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If you have doubts about user's conduct, take it to their talk page. Slatersteven ( talk) 19:25, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
I've added Trump's child picture onto commons. Does anybody believe that this image has some use anywhere on this page or anywhere else on the site? I'm asking this because I do not feel like added this to his early life section for it to be reverted. I believe this can possibly be used in his early life section next to his military portrait. This is a great picture depicting what Donald Trump looked like when he was a child. ₛₒₘₑBₒdyₐₙyBₒdy₀₅ ( talk) 17:10, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
Praxidicae, This image is most likely in the possession of the Trump family and not of CNN or any other major news network as I found the same colorization of the image on different major news organization articles about Trump's life story, Here's one from a Time article from 2016 where the image is featured: [3], Here's an article from Snopes that confirms this a image of donald trump as a child: [4]. And another source also confirms this is a image taken of trump a age 4: [5]. This image and another similar colorization of the same image are widely used around the internet that confirm this image was taken between 1950 and 1951 and is of. ₛₒₘₑBₒdyₐₙyBₒdy₀₅ ( talk) 17:45, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
User:Berchanhimez, The same reason why there are images on the article sections in the first place, To creatively add a representative image that can bring readers in. This is the exact reason I brought this to the talk page to begin with. And what make an image "encyclopedic" to you? This image purpose is to possibly show readers what Trump looked like in his "early life". ₛₒₘₑBₒdyₐₙyBₒdy₀₅ ( talk) 17:45, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
This work is in the public domain in the United States because it was published in the United States between 1926 and 1977it's highly unlikely that this was published publicly upon it's creation and thus your weird interpretation of PD doesn't apply. CUPIDICAE💕 17:47, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
The "Conflicts of interest" section uses the unspecific and non-neutral term "ethics experts" twice. I think the paragraph could be simply rewritten to point out that unless Trump sold his businesses he would continue to profit from them. Alternatively, the "ethics experts" could be specified. As it stands, the continual use of the term "ethics experts" seems to violate the NPOV policy and the prohibition on weasel words.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 09:18, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
can you add that he is ranked as one of the worst presidents in American history — Preceding unsigned comment added by TTTTRZON ( talk • contribs) 15:33, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
There isn`t really a whole of lot information here regarding what`s he`s doing since Biden got sworn in..I`m not saying it matters but it`s odd considering the length of this article that as soon as he`s out there`s virtually nothing. 2600:1702:2340:9470:9512:EF4F:1107:4D3D ( talk) 04:46, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
I have not heard about him post presidency 2601:1C2:101:3480:6C4E:310B:BAB0:DE2A ( talk) 15:40, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
@ Slatersteven: that's right, there are two sources, but only one calls it a "racist rhetoric" which is why I have specified that. Please revert your edit. Kind regards, Willbb234 Talk (please {{ ping}} me in replies) 16:34, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
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I trimmed some citations from the article here but was reverted, and this should be restored. All the content is still supported by the remaining references. Onetwothreeip ( talk) 08:18, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
Given the size of the article, should these citations as edited here be trimmed? Onetwothreeip ( talk) 02:56, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
Many of Trump's comments and actions have been considered racist.It is not saying that Trump's comments or actions are racist, but that they are considered racist. This simply does not need six citations; my version retains two for this sentence (and there are about thirty citations in the rest of the Trump racism section). The two citations I retain are titled "Donald Trump's long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2019" and "Every moment in Trump's charged relationship with race". These sources are from Vox and PBS respectively, which are both reliable, and the articles certainly detail Trump's comments and actions being considered racist, if not himself being characterised as racist. These two sources are very thorough, and not simply focusing on whatever racial controversy was happening in the news. Personally I think either of these sources are enough for this one sentence, but if you feel they are not then please let me know. Onetwothreeip ( talk) 01:34, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
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The sentences we have in the lead regarding impeachment are currently ...the
House of Representatives
impeached him in December 2019 for
abuse of power and
obstruction of
Congress. The
Senate
acquitted him of both charges in February 2020.
for the first one, and Seven days later, the House
impeached him for
incitement of insurrection, making him the only federal officeholder in American history to be impeached twice. The Senate
acquitted Trump on February 13, 2021.
for the second one.
If I were a reader who knew nothing about Trump and were coming here to learn about him, I'd come away from these sentences with a severe misunderstanding of what took place. Just saying that the House/Senate impeached/acquitted him leaves out the absolutely essential context (noted in basically every RS covering the impeachments) that the process was highly partisan, and that the acquittals were not the result of Republicans weighing the evidence and finding it unpersuasive (as an uninformed reader might reasonably assume from the current language) so much as making a political decision not to go against a president from their own party. They self-admitted as much: "I'm not an impartial juror" is a direct quote from Mitch McConnell.
To remedy this, I propose changing the first instance of Senate
acquitted him
to Republican-controlled Senate
acquitted him
and the second instance to Republican senators
blocked a conviction on February 12, 2021
. This provides purely factual information that helps establish the essential partisan context of the trials.Edit: Paragraph modified, see below. 06:59, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
The GOP claims that Democrats acted in a similarly partisan fashion have not been widely adopted by RS in their own voice the same way as is true for Republicans, so I have concerns that it would be
false balance to add Democratic-controlled House
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Comment Broadly speaking, your notions are part of a general issue that has been on my mind. There are those that would like articles such as this to just state the bare facts, and there are others, such as I, that think it is important to provide the context, implications, meaning, etc. behind the bare facts. The latter approach requires more text. What you propose is a slippery slope, fraught with peril. It is also not quite correct to lay the partisan nature of the events to "Republicans" - it is perhaps more correct to speak of Trumpists and how the Trump cult has come to dominate the Republican party. An alternate approach may be to back up a bit in the lead with some statement to the effect that Trump's personality and election deceit came to dominate the views of his followers and the Republican party. The lead (and article) is missing the notion that the self-serving, bizzaro world that Trump spun has come to dominate Republican politics, a Trump cult dominates, disconnected from facts. Such a statement will likely be more necessary as the next few years unfold with Trump's evidently continued dominance of Republican politics. The lead, IMO, does not refute the massive election disinformation strongly enough - we used to have the statement that the election was the most secure in history, but it got removed. Perhaps some alternate language to yours to consider might be "the Senate acquitted Trump, with many Republicans continuing to express belief in widespread election impropriety," or something like that. Bdushaw ( talk) 10:17, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
Hey all, I'm not a content creator but I was working on some categorization for an article in Category:Cults of personality and thought that maybe, in time, an article on Trump with this focus would be warranted. Whatever your opinion of Trump, pro or con, I think he definitely had (still has?) a cult of personality similar to some other world leaders. It probably would cross-over a bit with the article on his use of social media but I don't think a U.S. political party has had a leader with a singularly devoted following as Trump had in generations. Liz Read! Talk! 02:15, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
I recall not insubstantial reporting on the disappointment and shock of more than a few Trump supporters after Biden's inauguration. Many people felt duped. Comparisons to some of the historical political cult figures are not really relevant or fair. Trump had and has a considerable following - if we accept what the true nature of Trumpism is (according to RS's), such following is certainly cult-like; an irrational, misguided following. There are more similar examples in American history of such cults, e.g., Charles Coughlin or Huey Long. Trump is one of America's great demagogues, though there is wide agreement not to call him so in a Wikipedia article. Bdushaw ( talk) 18:45, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
Is there any significant amount of RS that say there is a cult of personality? Slatersteven ( talk) 18:48, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
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. . . the GOP literally had no party platform in 2020. It was Trump, Trump, Trump. A cult of personality.
At this time, Donald Trump had yet to consolidate his cult of personality, the media did not have a ban on us, and the public was highly receptive.
Unfortunately, and quite distressingly, over the last four years our party has veered away from core values and big visions, to devolve into a fiefdom of one person. Cult-like loyalty has never led to good.
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you need to remove the part that says Donald trump reacted slowly to the coronavirus because it makes him sound bad and he isn't he was specifically told by Democratic leaders and the CDC to do somethings and not others and then when it fits the story he was bashed and called xenophobic by the radical far-left media. 12.144.145.252 ( talk) 16:53, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
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Donald Trump was the oldest first-term U.S. president, a distinction he held until 2021 when Joseph Biden was inaugurated at age 78. 2600:8807:C884:6100:DD6D:E399:D6DB:942F ( talk) 03:30, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
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It is impossible that Donald Trump is 6’3”. Here is a link of a picture of him standing next to Justin Trudeau who identifies as 6’2”. I would say at most Trump is 6’ or less.
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Category:Trumpists has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. AllegedlyHuman ( talk) 07:30, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
When was Category:COVID-19 conspiracy theorists added, as there is a claim it was added only a day ago, and is thus covered by wp:brd, as far as I can tell it has been in the article months, what am I missing? Slatersteven ( talk) 15:45, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
From a neutral point of view if you look at the "very fine people" comment was taken way out of context because he was talking about the people that were protesting for the statue to be up and said condemn the white supremacists I'm not understanding how this can be considered racism..
Trump's comment on the 2017 far-right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia—that there were "very fine people on both sides"—was widely criticized as implying a moral equivalence between white supremacist demonstrators and counter-protesters.[814][815][816]
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...when articles like Donald Trump's page is full of disproven "facts" such as the Charlottesville protest and speech - that you vigorously defend the false narrative by insinuating racism, makes one wonder how much of your other pages are so biased, making them unusable for fact-finding. When you let statements like "false claims of electoral fraud, pressuring government officials" remain, it reinforces that view. Defending things like "false" claims instead of just "claims" again proves your bias. His page is so riddled with biased innuendo, I don't know if I can even trust your page on plate tectonics to be used as reference in my kids school projects.
Clean up and ensure unbiased facts are used. I shouldn't be able to read ANY article and have a sense of what political leaning your editors have. 45.37.131.217 ( talk) 14:50, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Emir of Wikipedia ( talk) 20:07, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
Hi, fellow Wikipedians! I'm Dswitz10734. One of my edits was recently reverted on this page. I want a consensus on the talk page to change this paragraph. The change I want is in italics.
Trump lost the 2020 presidential election to Biden, but refused to concede defeat. He attempted to overturn the results by making false claims of electoral fraud, pressuring government officials, mounting scores of unsuccessful legal challenges and obstructing the presidential transition. On the day Congress met to tally the electoral votes, January 6, 2021, Trump rallied his supporters and told them to march to the Capitol. When they arrived, hundreds of them broke through security barricades and stormed the Capitol, resulting in the deaths of five people and forcing Congress to evacuate. Seven days later, the House impeached Trump for incitement of insurrection, making him the only federal officeholder in American history to be impeached twice. The Senate acquitted Trump for the second time on February 13, 2021.
Trump lost the 2020 presidential election to Biden, but refused to concede defeat. He attempted to overturn the results by making false claims of electoral fraud, pressuring government officials, mounting scores of unsuccessful legal challenges and obstructing the presidential transition. On the day Congress met to tally the electoral votes, January 6, 2021, Trump rallied his supporters and told them to "peacefully and patriotically" make their voices heard. [2] Following his statements, many of his supporters went to the Capitol. When they arrived, hundreds of them broke through security barricades and stormed the Capitol, resulting in the deaths of five people and forcing Congress to evacuate. Seven days later, the House impeached Trump for incitement of insurrection, making him the only federal officeholder in American history to be impeached twice. The Senate acquitted Trump for the second time on February 13, 2021.
The word "march" makes it seem like Trump encouraged the violence. I'm sure he didn't want violence nor deaths, but the light he is in seems to get that message across to the reader. I wanted to make it clear in the article that Trump didn't encourage deaths, but he said to "peacefully and patriotically" [11] express your feelings.
I didn't want the article to convey that Trump wanted the violence without a reference; this article should be neutral. I noticed when I referenced that site that it was citation number 1. That means that the entire intro is citeless! (I made that word up because it makes sense ;-) ) Please tell me your thoughts so we can get a consensus. Thank you for your time and I hope to hear from you soon! Dswitz10734 ( talk) 17:10, 23 March 2021 (UTC) P.S. Requesting comment from Slatersteven
The language was very different from other sections, which borrowed more from combat or war.The overall message that was given to the mob was not one of peace. The article continues,
He clearly knew there were people in that crowd who were ready to and intended to be violent, and he certainly did nothing to discourage that. He not only did nothing to discourage it, he strongly hinted it should happen.– Muboshgu ( talk) 17:18, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
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Can you cite a source for this passage, "On the day
Congress met to tally the electoral votes, January 6, 2021, Trump rallied his supporters and told them to march to the
Capitol. When they arrived, hundreds of them broke through security barricades and
stormed the Capitol, resulting in the deaths of five people and forcing Congress to evacuate." To be exact, cite something that shows proof that Trump rallied his supporters to storm the capitol.
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Taking a look back at other presidential bio articles, notable legislation signed into law by the President is almost always referred to specifically by the name of the legislation. I propose that we follow convention and do this as well for this article. Specifically "a tax-cut package" should be written as the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 and "criminal justice reform" should be the First Step Act. Basil the Bat Lord ( talk) 00:47, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
He enacted a tax-cut package for individuals and businesses. I think that's good. Some pieces of legislation have a very well-known name and should be referred to by that name. But many (the tax cut act included) are better known and more clearly described by what they did. Legislation names are also almost always promotional, so it's also often more neutral to describe them than name them. Names can also take up more space, especially if they have to be described, and space is something we don't have. {{u| Sdkb}} talk 04:38, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
He enacted the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017, which rescinded the health insurance mandate penalty of the Affordable Care Act. He signed criminal justice reform with the First Step Act, and appointed Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court.
Given there is a separate article on the "wall", do we really need three paragraphs here? As far as I can see, it seems to be a simple matter of Trump promised X, and Trump delivered Y.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 07:50, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
Per overwhelming scholarly consensus, please add to the lead (1st sentence would be best) reflecting the universal opinion of experts: “Trump is almost universally regarded as the worst president of all time.” https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/is-donald-trump-the-worst-us-president-ever-historians-say-so-20210115-p56u9w.html
Now, I’m familiar with some of the dubious argumentative strategies some of you will engage in to avoid publishing this material. “It’s too soon!” you’ll say. “We haven’t had time to reflect on this issue!” you’ll cry. To you I say, when did you become expert historians? It is not our job to judge whether the historians should yet have arrived at such an overwhelming, magnificent consensus that Trump is the worst president in history, and has no serious competitors for that dishonor. It is simply our job to record what the experts on a matter say, and not to second guess, falsely posing as experts ourselves. “But..but.but.. the historical opinion may change!” If the historical opinion changes, the article changes when historical opinion changes. We don’t refrain from publishing expert scholarship because a random wikipedia editor has a hunch that someday scholarly opinion might shift. 67.85.103.120 ( talk) 14:08, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is an American media personality and businessman who served as the 45th president of the United States from 2017 to 2021, is universally regarded as the worst president of all time? Thanoscar21 talk, contribs 00:01, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/01/17/covid-19-us-400-000-deaths-experts-blame-trump-administration/6642685002/ https://khn.org/news/nation-records-400000-covid-deaths-on-last-day-of-donald-trump-presidency/
Trump killed 400,000 people in less then a year Trump killed 400,000 US citizens from Feburary 2020 to January 2021 Trump killed more then 3,000 people per day in January. Trump is thought to be the president who killed the most people since Woodrow Wilson killed 675,000 people in 1918 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.169.177.29 ( talk • contribs)
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The section on opinion polling of Donald Trump is highly misleading in my opinion. In general, the section cherry picks inidividual polls, whilst it should instead show the averages.
Most notably, the characterisation on opinion polling when Trump left office is incorrect. The CNN article cited does provide the cited numbers, but said numbers are simply some of those highlighted to drive home a point, not an accurate representation of averages. Becauae of this, it is completely false to claim his end-of-term approval was between 29 and 34 percent. The correct number, the average that Enten shows, is actually 39 percent, not between 29 and 34.
The section also makes the mistake of using different pollsters in different sentences, which is invalid because pollsters have house effects and biases, meaning you shouldn't simply compare one poll to another one in the way that is done, especially with no acknowledgement. It is misleading to use Gallup polls to showcase the range of polls during his Presidency, and then use different polls to document his final approval. I suggest rewriting this paragraph to the following:
"Throughout Trump's first term, he had the steadiest approval rating since World War II, usually hovering between 40 and 45 percent according to aggregator FiveThirtyEight. [2] He completed his term with an average approval of 39 percent according to CNN, making him the first President in modern polling history to end his first term with approval below 40 percent.[736] Trump's approval ratings showed a record partisan gap: over the course of his presidency, Trump's approval rating among Republicans was 88 percent and his approval rating among Democrats was 7 percent according to Gallup.[737]"
In general, this changes to using averages where I could find a good source and explicitly cites polls being used otherwise. I removed the sentence on his average approval during his term, as this was taken solely from Gallup, whereas other numbers in the section use different pollsters so the comparison is misleading. I also removed the upper and lower range cited by NBC. These two figures are replaced by the average range cited by 538. This average range of between 40 and 45 percent both highlights Trump's average throughout his term and its stability, is more accurate because it is an aggregate, and avoids misleadingly comparing different pollsters.
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Remove wording suggesting that Trump made false claims of election fraud. A recount is taking place in Maricopa County, AZ. Add the fact that the recount is underway. 2603:8000:6F06:2527:C874:B59D:FF99:B833 ( talk) 22:07, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
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Request to change the wording in reference to Donald Trump’s response during the pandemic. Trump intended to start the response by enacting a travel ban on Chinese nationals. The country that had the highest population density of infections. Trump was then called a racist for this travel ban, or the ban was called ineffective.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/494697-pelosi-on-trumps-china-travel-ban-it-wasnt-this-great-moment%3famp 2601:206:8200:9390:9D06:626B:3D9:8452 ( talk) 03:19, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
Moved from my Talk page for discussion.
Violation of editing restrictions on Donald Trump You have violated the following editing restriction: "If an edit you make is reverted you must discuss on the talk page and wait 24 hours before reinstating your edit." Self revert immediately. Also the significance for his life and Presidency is that the Accords were his major foreign policy success during his time as President and led to him getting recognition as a pro-Israel President. You know, literally what the sources all say?! Davefelmer ( talk) 15:52, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
I would say this is not yet a significant enough event for us to say it is part of his lasting legacy. Slatersteven ( talk) 17:44, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Can we add a paragraph under the racism section on how his reference to the "China virus" was racist and may have contributed to asian hate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.223.155.114 ( talk) 17:34, April 13, 2021 (UTC)
Well no, calling a virus by the country it's from isn't racist Pyromilke ( talk) 01:17, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
In the main article, it states: "Many of his comments and actions have been characterized as racially charged or racist.", but the Racial views of Donald Trump article begins with: " Donald Trump, the former president of the United States, has a history of speech and actions that have been widely viewed by scholars and the public as racist or white supremacist."
Should the statement in the main article be changed to what is said in the Racial views of Donald Trump article, or vice versa? Isi96 ( talk) 03:09, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
Yes Ev666 ( talk) 14:15, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
A New York Times article was released in February 2021 stating that President Biden barred President Trump for receiving intelligence briefings out of office. I would like to suggest that this be added to the “Post-presidency” section of the article, as all other living former presidents do receive briefings.
Here’s a link to the article: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/05/us/politics/biden-trump-intelligence-briefings.html?fbclid=IwAR2coyi8JTSi_EhapllBje7OE2l7vuPFUk0XxmoYHHHIvlnkM2C1A1JuxAE LordVesuvius ( talk) 18:15, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
To my knowledge, he is the only living former president to be denied access to intelligence briefings. The other living former presidents can decline them, but only Trump has been denied them. LordVesuvius ( talk) 18:20, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
I have links to various articles on the subject, but I am unable to post them here.
LordVesuvius ( talk) 18:32, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
For some reason when I tried to, I got a message saying “cannot publish edit” or something along those lines. And you can Google “do former presidents receive briefings?” and you should be able to find the information that way. LordVesuvius ( talk) 19:00, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
It’s a possibility. But would the addition to the post-presidency section be acceptable? The source I have is from the New York Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/05/us/politics/biden-trump-intelligence-briefings.html LordVesuvius ( talk) 00:26, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
The prose of this article is pretty long,with over 6 paragraphs (5 if you exclude the starting sentence). Many we can tighten it up? 4 paragraphs is the ideal number for an article of this scale. Blue Jay ( talk) 02:49, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/american_english/politician?q=politician
If Andrew Yang and Kanye West can be considered politicians on their articles, two persons who have never held elected office, why can the same not be said for a former US President? He meets the dictionary definition of the word, see above.
DeaconShotFire ( talk) 06:13, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
You say, while neglecting to respond to the fact that he meets the dictionary definition of the word. He is also in fact still referred to as a politician at the top of this talk page. And could you please explain how those other 2 articles are mistaken? DeaconShotFire ( talk) 09:44, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
Focusing on the payment issue here is arch semantics. Someone who has held the office of President is clearly and demonstrably a politician. He may not have been a good one, or a typical one, but he's one none the less Pipsally ( talk) 10:27, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
whether the term "politician" should also be included in a first sentence that has a structure akin to that of choice A. The closer was mistaken in stating that adding "politician" was
an idea some editors pitched during the middle of the discussion. It was first added as an option by Sdkb two hours after the discussion was started, at a time when three other discussions of the same matter were ongoing and several editors were opposed to starting another one per se as well as to the format of the fourth one. Trump may not be a "career politician" or a "professional politician" but he's been active in populist politics for decades. Maybe it's time to have that RfC. Space4Time3Continuum2x ( talk) 13:16, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
"Politician" is in the eye of the beholder. If Donald Trump's fans behold a guy who isn't a politician, who is he to complain? He'll just sit there quietly, acting, getting things done.
Is Trump a Fugitive? I see no detail in article but it has the following category: >Category:Fugitives wanted by Iran Some please verify and delete Category as needed. Thanks, SWP13 ( talk) 04:18, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Category or no, I've added the relevant info to the relevant section, using a story from NPR, an outlet already considered reliable there. Missing the URL, can't paste. Any mitigating factors or excuses within are fair game, too, if desired. InedibleHulk ( talk) 22:23, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
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The official wikipedia page for former President Donald John Trump is wrong. It is wrong in the sense that all other past U.S. Presidents are marked on wikipedia as having gone to 'X... University' (Yale University, for example (Clinton)).
On the official wikipedia page for former President Donald John Trump it is OMMITTED, that 'Wharton School' is ACTUALLY only a minor college and part of The University of Pennsylvania.
The official wikipedia page for former President Donald John Trump should categorically state U. of Pennsylvania. 2601:14B:200:17D0:A116:B71E:EA64:CB34 ( talk) 02:43, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
This user is right. Trump's page needs to say University of Pennsylvania. Obama is listed as having graduated from Columbia University, not Columbia College. For GWB, Yale University is listed, not Yale College. Same for Bill Clinton, who graduated from Georgetown College at Georgetown University. So why is Trump the only president who has the college within the university listed?
I believe the reason is to deceive the public, because saying one graduated from "Wharton" heavily implies earning an MBA, and Wikipedia is continuing to perpetuate that deception by treating Trump's page differently from all other former U.S. presidents. Ajlipp ( talk) 16:48, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
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81.97.225.229 ( talk) 12:12, 9 May 2021 (UTC)he is a sex predator
When I think of racism, it is a stronger form of prejudice where someone considers one race superior to another. Prejudice (pre-judgement) is "An unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason. Any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable. Unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, especially of a hostile nature, regarding an ethnic, racial, social, or religious group." Growing up, my generation was taught a very firm distinction between the two terms. I wholeheartedly, undoubtedly think Trump pre judges people based on race, religion, sex, gender, etc. He'll kick you out of a country but he wouldn't take it to the extremes. He's a fast talker from the 50's-80's and that is simply not the same thing. Jawz101 ( talk) 15:49, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
@ Srodgers1701: Please note that this article is under active arbitration remedies. Your edit was reverted. IAW the 24-hr BRD cycle, you shouldn't have reinstated it without discussing it on the talk page first. Space4Time3Continuum2x ( talk) 17:18, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
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After birth date add city he was born Queens, New York City WikiHuman2021 ( talk) 08:11, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
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The spreading of misinformation is spread by the left media NOT Trump. Your information is incorrect and needs to be corrected if you want to be a RELIABLE SOURCE OF INFORMATION. Anyone with half a brain can read your article and see it sounds like a personal opinionated social media post. 2600:1004:B058:6BF7:E005:3F75:C244:A50B ( talk) 12:53, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
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"On January 6, 2021, Trump urged his supporters to march to the Capitol, which hundreds stormed, interrupting the electoral vote count."
This statement strongly implies that Trump caused or fomented an insurrection, which is a mainstream media lie, as was what the media reported about Charlottesville. Here is what Trump said: "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.” Unless you have direct evidence e.g. footage where Trump himself encourages/incites an insurrection, this sentence needs to be revised for the sake of NPOV. OTherwise, Wikipedia has become nothing more than Left-wing propaganda. Tpkatsa ( talk) 22:01, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
which is a mainstream media lie, as was what the media reported about Charlottesville.I'm unaware of an actual reliable source that states this. YODADICAE👽 22:09, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Talk:Joe Biden related to the category Category:Candidates in the 2020 United States presidential election that would also affect this page. The discussion can be found here. AllegedlyHuman ( talk) 21:58, 3 May 2021 (UTC)