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Why is there no reference to the infamous Parker-Hulme murder in this article? The murder has been the basis of several major movies and is no doubt a major part of Christchurch's history. At the very least the two girls who committed the murder should be listed with the "famous people" section...especially Anne Perry aka Juliet Hulme. It almost seems as though the murder is being deliberately excluded from this article. Paco8191 ( talk) 05:13, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Welcome to
Wikipedia, Colin, it's good to see another New Zealander here. There's lots of stuff to write about NZ, some of which I've listed on my
user:Carey Evans page.
However, it's really hard for me to see how this addition fits into an encyclopedia article about Christchurch city, especially when the link is broken. Maybe it could go on a separate page, not tacked onto a paragraph about the city's population? -- Carey Evans
An anon user removed the line ...
Christchurch became a city by Royal Charter on July 31, 1856, making it the oldest city in New Zealand.
... without offering any reason for doing so. If it is factually wrong, correct it rather than removing it. I can't see any reason for not including this information on the history of a city. dramatic 00:38, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)
"Tautahi, who is believed to have occupied a seasonal dwelling on a bank of the Avon River near to where the Barbadoes Street bridge now stands. To date there is no documentary or archaeological evidence to support this contention."
Where does the claim come from then? If the source is Maori oral history, then it's worth stating as such. But i doubt that oral history has ever claimed to be that accurate. Yes, it might be that Tautahi was said to have lived on the Avon river. But does anyone have a specific source for the claim that he was supposed to have lived by Barbadoes street? If not, then I reckon that part of the statement should be taken out.
The picture of a river (the Avon?) does not belong in demographics. Without a caption it does not add information.-- Hugh7 09:03, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
I've changed "Christchurch has played a significant role in the history of Antarctic exploration. Both Robert Falcon Scott and Ernest Shackleton used the port of Lyttelton as the final departure point for expeditions" to "Christchurch has played a significant role in the history of Antarctic exploration. Both Robert Falcon Scott and Ernest Shackleton used the port of Lyttelton as a departure point for expeditions". Scott's expedition went to Port Chalmers after leaving Lyttelton. [[User:Grutness| Grutness hello? ]] 00:23, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
"a hot föhn wind that is associated with increases in suicide and domestic violence"
-- Clawed 10:21, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Source for the name of the city is the council website's page on the Sister City Christchurch, Dorset [2]
Zootland 01:04, 28 October 2007 (UTC) See below about update to reflect minutes of Canterbury Association Zootland 23:50, 8 November 2007 (UTC): Source for naming of Christchurch and its Avon river is Volume 1 of the History of Canterbury by Sir James Hight and C.R. Straubel (Canterbury Centennial Association and Whitcombe and Tombs, Christchurch 1957). Both names' history is given on page 121 of Volume 1 of this three-volume history.
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I created a new stub, Mount Cavendish, I thought someone might have something to add, also it would be nice to get both photos of, and from, to add. WikiDon 06:29, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
I've removed the following section from the article: === Born in Christchurch ===
reasoning:
An anonymous user added this to the Economy section:
The area faces a serious economic problem in plummeting housing affordability. Median house prices have escalated more than 100 percent in less than a decade, far ahead of the increase in incomes. Real estate economists blame regional land use planning policies (so-called "smart growth"), which have rationed land for development, with the predictable effect of raising house prices. Similar effects have been noted in Auckland, Australian urban areas, along with some markets in the United States (particularly Portland, Oregon and California urban areas).
These claims need sources to support them. They're not verifiable and they use weasel words. Wikipedia is not the place for original research, so please see What counts as a reputable publication?
Its easy to get housing sales figures from www.reinz.co.nz/
In June 1998 the median house price for Canterbury/Westland was $140,000 and in June 2008 it was $299,000. There was an article in Business South magazine (probably June 2008) that detailed Christchurch's policy of restricting the amount of land available for subdivision. The minimum wage is NZ$12 and hour as of April 2008 (from www.ers.dol.govt.nz/pay/minimum.html). Compare that with the Australian rates at www.safework.sa.gov.au/show_page.jsp?id=5116 Aust$13.74 and Aust$16.49 for casual.
Government subsidies are available for mortgages and rents which as an economist would release actually increases prices. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.101.92.51 ( talk) 22:26, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
From www.stats.govt.nz the average hourly earnings (for NZ) increased from $16.39 in 1997 to $22.63 in 2007. 218.101.92.51 ( talk) 23:03, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
I deleted the sentence which compared Canterbury to the size of Belgium. First, it's wrong: Canterbury is larger than Belgium. Secondly, even if it were right, it'd still be a meaningless comparison to most readers.
NASA had another nice space shot here: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_678.html showing the nearby Banks peninsula as well as Christchurch. — RJH ( talk) 22:23, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello all regulars here: Having seen a number of things to be improved here, I sort of got a bit unleashed, and reworked the whole article in many ways. Trying to follow it in one step is probably hopeless, as I moved too much around, and also rephrased quite a bit. To make it worse, in some steps I cut stuff out, but only inserted it again a step later.
But please do look at it without feeling like someone just 'messed' with your article. I think it is quite improved now, more sorted, some problems fixed, and I will continue during the next few days. Cheers, MadMaxDog 11:30, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I've moved the following paragraph from the article to here because it is inadequately referenced. I don't think Campbell Live saying that Christchurch has a reputation as whatever is very authoritative. Much of the material on Campbell Live is tabloid in nature. The rest of the paragraph is entirely unsourced and some of it is speculative.
Are there better references available to document the reputation and other claims made, and is this material of value even if documented?
As a comparison, material about the reputation of various parts of Auckland has been removed in the past.- gadfium 23:50, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to have a famous people from Christchurch section? It certainly gives the article the look of a small provincial town rather than a reasonable size city that would obviously produce a number of famous people. Perhaps only 3 or 4 genuinely famouse people (i.e. known interantionally for a good reason - charles upham perhaps?) would be better than every man and dog that has been on TV or swung a cricket bat. I think it would add a lot of class to the article if it went the way of 'born in christchurch' and was removed. User:Homesick_kiwi 16:58, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Maybe someone should add some information about the tap water purity I live in chch and know that it tastes alot better than all of the surrounding townships (except the for the ones that use the same water supply) I don't know much about it but my parents use to tell me it is the best in the world perhaps some one with some more knowledge about this should add it thanks Yellow Onion 07:13, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Zootland 01:02, 28 October 2007 (UTC) I've update the origin of the name Christchurch from volume one of the three-volume History of Canterbury, which cites the minutes of the Canterbury Association, which created the name.
CHCH is misssing from an interesting list of demonyms Feroshki 03:18, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
This [5] makes interesting reading on the origin of the names Avon, Canterbury, and Christchurch. 65.95.15.144 ( talk) 20:45, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
The original entry stated the new industry in Christchurch was developed by the University of Canterbury and the Christchurch Polytechnic. This is incorrect and I have amended it. Both Sir Angus Tait and Gil Simpson effectively dropped out of high school. Dennis Chapman served an apprenticeship at Tait's before the firm sent him to University of Canterbury engineering school. It is true that the university has enabled their early efforts to grow. The university especially has supplied a continuing flow of high class engineering and software graduates, and there is now fruitful synergy between the local tech industry and the university.
However, academics should not underplay the role non-graduates play in establishing new industry. Christchurch has its lesser versions of drop-out giants like Bill Gates. The world's armies of management lecturers have yet to disprove that entrepreneurship to a considerable degree is an aspect of personality.
Zootland 01:16, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
{{ Editprotected}} As the article currently states "The area around this square and within the four avenues of Christchurch (Bealey Avenue, Fitzgerald Avenue, Moorhouse Avenue and Rolleston Avenue)" Rolleston Ave should infact be Deans Ave which was named after the Deans Brothers.
Ok, since I think a City Council definition [7] overrides what Te Ara says, I have changed both my mind and the article. dramatic ( talk) 20:33, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Note that inclusion of the Māori name is in accordance with Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(New_Zealand). dramatic ( talk) 08:55, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Lists of Famous People simply don't work for large population centres - they are never complete, the criteria for inclusion are not clear, and in this case not one entry was referenced. It also contains inaccuracies - Lord Rutherford was associated at Christchurch (Early studies at Canterbury University College) but he is from Brightwater in Nelson. dramatic ( talk) 18:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
There are quite a few new suburbs that have gone up int he past few years that haven't been added to this article. Such as Aidenfield and Milns Estate, if someone could update these it would be wonderful but I personally don't have the time to research all the missing suburbs and find out where they would go in that "clockwise" list. TheRabidMonkie ( talk) 07:19, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
The usual Māori name Ōtautahi is a shortened form of Te Whenua o Te Potiki-Tautahi – named for the seasonal dwelling of Ngāi Tahu chief Tautahi of Port Levy, on a bank of the Avon River, near to where the Barbadoes Street bridge now stands.[3]..
This part is confusing. Since when was Port Levy on the banks of the avon river? Port Levy is in Banks Peninsula, which is a distance away from the avon river, which runs through Christchurch. This sentence needs to be re written. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.54.197.218 ( talk) 05:58, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Why does Christchurch City Council redirect to here? Surely an organisation such as this deserves its own page? The Auckland City Council has its own page... TallGuy ( talk) 21:06, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
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"maximum temperatures in January ranging from 15 °C to 25 °C (59–77 °F) (often reaching 30 °C/86 °F or higher)".
If they reach 30 or higher then the top of the range is not 25. Nurg ( talk) 06:13, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
The article states that the city is the "second-largest" in New Zealand. The population numbers are close, but doesn't Wellington have slightly more, making it the second largest? Eastgate ( talk) 09:53, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
In Template:Christchurch City, New Zealand, the central city is not listed as a separate suburb. What is listed is Christchurch, and that of course goes to the city as a whole. Can I suggest that:
I would appreciate your thoughts. I suggest that this be discussed on the template talk page. Schwede66 ( talk) 17:18, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm rather dubious about the value of having lists of suburbs (clockwise at that) in the body of the article. I don't think that this adds anything to the quality of the page on Christchurch. The appropriate place, in my opinion, for such lists is in templates in the footer, and indeed those templates already exist for the suburbs, and the satellite towns could easily be added in the same manner. The lists could be replaced with a write up on the structure of the city. What do others think? Schwede66 ( talk) 18:41, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
The suburb articles all use Template:Infobox settlement (if they have an infobox). There is also the Template:Infobox New Zealand suburbs available, which would appear to be more suitable. Any thoughts on using the latter infobox instead for the Christchurch suburbs? Schwede66 ( talk) 18:45, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
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Here's Christchurch's climate chart, which I think shows the data in a far more visually direct and appealing way than the current table. Thoughts? - Gobeirne ( talk) 09:37, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
The uncooperative climate chart editor is back. And due to recent events, we have a good number of anons editing. So semiprotection would stop many useful additions, too. Could the climate section be a protected subpage that gets transcluded? That would at least be easier to restore, while not affecting other anons. Schwede 66 15:45, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi just wondering why my climate change was reverted? I'm OK wiht the current one, but the change I made (I believe) makes it alot easier and larger to read. Colours help people to identify certain temps aswell as it would for precip. Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.188.176.231 ( talk) 00:25, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
I also think the weatherbox is necessary (perhaps in addition with the climate graph). The weatherbox is more aligned with similar pages such as Auckland and international cities such as London- it makes it easier to compare climate data between locations. It also allows other vital statistics such as sunshine hours to be displayed. The weatherbox could be positioned collapsed at the bottom as to not take up as much room.( Hugho226 ( talk) 06:44, 21 May 2012 (UTC))
I am almost certain the record high temperatures for the city are wrong (at least in winter.) The temperatures get higher than what is listed. I would like to see a separate source for the maximum and minimum temperatures that have been added. 119.224.80.253 ( talk) 09:50, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
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Hi all - our article on the Nor'west arch could seriously use a photo...and judging by the idiot wind blowing hot through Dunedin today there's a chance that there's a good opportunity for one from one of our Cantabrian editors. Any chance? Grutness... wha? 23:02, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
It is incorrectly stated that A Coruña, Spain, is Christchurch's antipodal, but it is about 90 km off. The correct antipodal city is Foz, Spain. (According to Google Earth). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.190.107.34 ( talk) 00:50, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Could someone please add the population (and hopefully also thus the population density) to the infobox? I would, but I'm scared of ruining the formatting. FrFintonStack ( talk) 02:24, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest that we use this photo as the lead image. In my opinion, it's much nicer than what we currently have. That said, some people may prefer not to have a b&w image. Feedback, please. Schwede 66 05:18, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
It might be a good idea to start thinking about reducing the information on the earthquakes under history. I do think they should get a reasonable mention, but moving most of the information to History of the Canterbury Region (where they are currently not even mentioned) with a summary here could be a good start. AIRcorn (talk) 06:02, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
The earthquake on 22 Feb wasn't an aftershock of September, but a separate quake Jenny wren nz ( talk) 22:10, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
I've reverted the amendments to the secondary school section. Whilst some of the edits were a clear improvement, I can't see the sense in removing all the wikilinks. I have invited the editor to discuss their rationale for the changes. Schwede 66 18:01, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
I edited the schooling section as the way the schools were discussed indicated that many were "public school" in the English tradition. Although this might be accurate the fact that a number of these school are now state integrated schools is significant. State integrated schools are run and financed completely differently to Independent schools which the original text had them aligned with. The changes I made indicate that Christchurch has the three types of schools that exist within NZ State; State integrated and Independent. Was not my intention to remove the Wikilinks, usually they just reappear.
Independent Schools of NZ website Education in NZ Wiki
Danibath 17.10.11 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danibath ( talk • contribs) 22:28, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
Nice work on the montage for the infobox by User:Radiojoe329. Two suggestions:
This category has the Cathedral photos, and this is where the montage should be stored. If any of this is baffling, leave a note here and I'll explain further / help. Schwede 66 04:52, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
It has been suggested that Christchurch Central City be moved to Central Christchurch. See Talk:Christchurch_Central_City. Nurg ( talk) 03:29, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
I was wondering if anyone would be willing to make a new montage for Christchurch's infobox. I have a few new, high quality images that I would love to see added:
I have another image which I will upload after. 121.220.222.63 ( talk) 06:41, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
In retrospect, yes, I do agree that the aerial of the city isn't much. It's very dark and kind of has a blue tinge. Not much colour. You could definitely replace it with the one in the tallest buildings article, or just use the largest pano in the current montage. Other than that I am happy with the rest, I did include that Christchurch tram image because I think it's great when enlarged. Here is the final image I decided to include but have not had time to upload, until now. Very idealic, even though that's not Wiki's purpose, the images comprised do give an enticing view of the city and this particular image depicts the beauty and strong aspect of nature, parks and gardens in the city. If you know how to do montages I would appreciate it very much if you could make a few previews and post them here so we can decide on one! As for the earthquake images, I don't think it's relevant enough to go in the infobox, it doesn't define the city as a whole. For example, you wouldn't see the 9/11 attacks in a montage of New York City, nor would you see the destruction caused by earthquakes in Japanese cities in those montages. I think photos of the Earthquakes are suitable for the History sections and wherever else they may be required. 121.220.222.63 ( talk) 12:09, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
Being a resident of Christchurch, I feel insulted to note the camelcase used so frequently here. I'd like to fix it, but I really don't have the time to comb through the article and fix it. If anyone has a currently unused bot, could they please use it to correct "ChristChurch" to "Christchurch"? The Anonymous Superior ( talk) 08:59, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
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As someone who lives outside New Zealand (although I did live for a time in Christchurch) I must point out that the lead section of this article has a glaring omission. It is puzzling why the lead includes a sentence on a piece of trivia about sign language but entirely avoids reference to the devastating and deadly 2011 earthquakes. I understand that locals might like to the put the past behind them and accentuate the positive, but it is a simple fact that when people overseas refer to Christchurch in conversation there is almost always a reference to the deadly quakes and the city's ongoing recovery. Today it is one of the most notable facts about Christchurch, and the very visible signs of the disaster that remain in the city attest to that. Ignoring it in the lead section has all the appearances of censorship or whitewashing, whether this is intended or not. A single sentence in the lead would suffice. BlackCab ( TALK) 23:03, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
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Perhaps Wikipedia articles are necessarily brief but there seems to be an awful lot missing in this article. Baby boomers will wonder what happened to the Christchurch they grew up in? Yonk ( talk) 01:47, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
I reverted edits [8] and [9] because I don't believe the content added has any importance or notability for inclusion in this article. However another user User:StuRat has reverted my reverts and accused me of edit warring. I requested the user to discuss the content first, which has not been done. I feel a consensus from other members is necessary in order to assess whether it is suitable for inclusion. My opinion is that it is a simple case of WP:NOTNEWS and oppose to it being included in the article. Ajf773 ( talk) 06:53, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
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It seems rather confusing to give the population of the urban area as 358,000, then give the population of the administrative district, but further down the page have the line "The population is expected to grow to 358,000 by the year 2021". Which population? - And I'd like to see the basis of the first 'Urban Area' figure. If that is based on the Regional Council area it is clearly wrong. The 316,000 figure agrees with the census, and their measurement area includes Prebbleton, Templeton and Kaiapoi, but Excludes Lyttelton and the Harbour bays area. This seems pretty close to the entire urban area to me. dramatic 23:23, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
According to this Wikipedia article, as of June 2011 Wellington has a bigger population (393,400) than Christchurch (380,900). So Christchurch is the third largest urban area of NZ. 121.73.7.84 ( talk) 12:52, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
Underneath where the urban population is provided, there should be a metro population as both the Wellington and Auckland pages include this. Unfortunately, the definition of this in those articles is less clear or consistent.
Schwede66 ( talk · contribs) has removed the 'terrorist attack' heading. If there is no objection, I will restore it. the Attack is the main reason that Christchurch is leading world news today; and appears to be much more noteworthy than the Port Hills fires with which it now shares a heading.
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The section headings are not ideal and I suggest changes and welcome comment. Ideally we should add time periods as in many other city articles. The term "Modern history" means more than just anything from about 1900, and the shootings are really current affairs, not history. Should we create sub headings of "Pre-European"; 1840-1945; 1945-2000; 2001-present, with further subsections for matters that greatly influenced the city, such as the quakes. These dates are fairly arbitrary and open to debate but point is still dividing up by time periods. Roger 8 Roger ( talk) 01:52, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Added an intro sentence on the attacks to the first section. Regrouped history slightly, and consolidated the Antarctic sections as well. Hope this points towards a better structure that will help organise what is becoming quite a large page. Somej ( talk) 21:12, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
About the recent edits - I tend to agree with Schwede66 that recent events are not minor and would certainly stand get through the 10YT, meaning they should be included in an account of the city's history. However, I do think the section is heavily weighted towards contemporary events. This is a problem afflicting very many WP articles on places. Many editors seem to think that if something happened outside their memory or that of their parents then it did not happen or its importance is diminished. Even if an editor does not have that view, sources of past events are significantly less easy to find which makes only compounds the over weighting of contemporary events. Rather than say that this article if too focused on contemporary events, I think it is better described it as lacking detail of say, pre-1945 events. I think it would be useful not have sub-sections for narrowly defined contemporary time periods. I also prefer not to use the term ' modern history' when contemporary is meant. Better still would be 'Post 2000' or similar to avoid ambiguity. Roger 8 Roger ( talk) 20:40, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
The chart in Geography section doesn't cite any sources. It may be removed if no reference is provided in the future. PAper GOL ( talk) 06:37, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
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Why is there no reference to the infamous Parker-Hulme murder in this article? The murder has been the basis of several major movies and is no doubt a major part of Christchurch's history. At the very least the two girls who committed the murder should be listed with the "famous people" section...especially Anne Perry aka Juliet Hulme. It almost seems as though the murder is being deliberately excluded from this article. Paco8191 ( talk) 05:13, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Welcome to
Wikipedia, Colin, it's good to see another New Zealander here. There's lots of stuff to write about NZ, some of which I've listed on my
user:Carey Evans page.
However, it's really hard for me to see how this addition fits into an encyclopedia article about Christchurch city, especially when the link is broken. Maybe it could go on a separate page, not tacked onto a paragraph about the city's population? -- Carey Evans
An anon user removed the line ...
Christchurch became a city by Royal Charter on July 31, 1856, making it the oldest city in New Zealand.
... without offering any reason for doing so. If it is factually wrong, correct it rather than removing it. I can't see any reason for not including this information on the history of a city. dramatic 00:38, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)
"Tautahi, who is believed to have occupied a seasonal dwelling on a bank of the Avon River near to where the Barbadoes Street bridge now stands. To date there is no documentary or archaeological evidence to support this contention."
Where does the claim come from then? If the source is Maori oral history, then it's worth stating as such. But i doubt that oral history has ever claimed to be that accurate. Yes, it might be that Tautahi was said to have lived on the Avon river. But does anyone have a specific source for the claim that he was supposed to have lived by Barbadoes street? If not, then I reckon that part of the statement should be taken out.
The picture of a river (the Avon?) does not belong in demographics. Without a caption it does not add information.-- Hugh7 09:03, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
I've changed "Christchurch has played a significant role in the history of Antarctic exploration. Both Robert Falcon Scott and Ernest Shackleton used the port of Lyttelton as the final departure point for expeditions" to "Christchurch has played a significant role in the history of Antarctic exploration. Both Robert Falcon Scott and Ernest Shackleton used the port of Lyttelton as a departure point for expeditions". Scott's expedition went to Port Chalmers after leaving Lyttelton. [[User:Grutness| Grutness hello? ]] 00:23, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
"a hot föhn wind that is associated with increases in suicide and domestic violence"
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Source for the name of the city is the council website's page on the Sister City Christchurch, Dorset [2]
Zootland 01:04, 28 October 2007 (UTC) See below about update to reflect minutes of Canterbury Association Zootland 23:50, 8 November 2007 (UTC): Source for naming of Christchurch and its Avon river is Volume 1 of the History of Canterbury by Sir James Hight and C.R. Straubel (Canterbury Centennial Association and Whitcombe and Tombs, Christchurch 1957). Both names' history is given on page 121 of Volume 1 of this three-volume history.
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I created a new stub, Mount Cavendish, I thought someone might have something to add, also it would be nice to get both photos of, and from, to add. WikiDon 06:29, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
I've removed the following section from the article: === Born in Christchurch ===
reasoning:
An anonymous user added this to the Economy section:
The area faces a serious economic problem in plummeting housing affordability. Median house prices have escalated more than 100 percent in less than a decade, far ahead of the increase in incomes. Real estate economists blame regional land use planning policies (so-called "smart growth"), which have rationed land for development, with the predictable effect of raising house prices. Similar effects have been noted in Auckland, Australian urban areas, along with some markets in the United States (particularly Portland, Oregon and California urban areas).
These claims need sources to support them. They're not verifiable and they use weasel words. Wikipedia is not the place for original research, so please see What counts as a reputable publication?
Its easy to get housing sales figures from www.reinz.co.nz/
In June 1998 the median house price for Canterbury/Westland was $140,000 and in June 2008 it was $299,000. There was an article in Business South magazine (probably June 2008) that detailed Christchurch's policy of restricting the amount of land available for subdivision. The minimum wage is NZ$12 and hour as of April 2008 (from www.ers.dol.govt.nz/pay/minimum.html). Compare that with the Australian rates at www.safework.sa.gov.au/show_page.jsp?id=5116 Aust$13.74 and Aust$16.49 for casual.
Government subsidies are available for mortgages and rents which as an economist would release actually increases prices. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.101.92.51 ( talk) 22:26, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
From www.stats.govt.nz the average hourly earnings (for NZ) increased from $16.39 in 1997 to $22.63 in 2007. 218.101.92.51 ( talk) 23:03, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
I deleted the sentence which compared Canterbury to the size of Belgium. First, it's wrong: Canterbury is larger than Belgium. Secondly, even if it were right, it'd still be a meaningless comparison to most readers.
NASA had another nice space shot here: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_678.html showing the nearby Banks peninsula as well as Christchurch. — RJH ( talk) 22:23, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello all regulars here: Having seen a number of things to be improved here, I sort of got a bit unleashed, and reworked the whole article in many ways. Trying to follow it in one step is probably hopeless, as I moved too much around, and also rephrased quite a bit. To make it worse, in some steps I cut stuff out, but only inserted it again a step later.
But please do look at it without feeling like someone just 'messed' with your article. I think it is quite improved now, more sorted, some problems fixed, and I will continue during the next few days. Cheers, MadMaxDog 11:30, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I've moved the following paragraph from the article to here because it is inadequately referenced. I don't think Campbell Live saying that Christchurch has a reputation as whatever is very authoritative. Much of the material on Campbell Live is tabloid in nature. The rest of the paragraph is entirely unsourced and some of it is speculative.
Are there better references available to document the reputation and other claims made, and is this material of value even if documented?
As a comparison, material about the reputation of various parts of Auckland has been removed in the past.- gadfium 23:50, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to have a famous people from Christchurch section? It certainly gives the article the look of a small provincial town rather than a reasonable size city that would obviously produce a number of famous people. Perhaps only 3 or 4 genuinely famouse people (i.e. known interantionally for a good reason - charles upham perhaps?) would be better than every man and dog that has been on TV or swung a cricket bat. I think it would add a lot of class to the article if it went the way of 'born in christchurch' and was removed. User:Homesick_kiwi 16:58, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Maybe someone should add some information about the tap water purity I live in chch and know that it tastes alot better than all of the surrounding townships (except the for the ones that use the same water supply) I don't know much about it but my parents use to tell me it is the best in the world perhaps some one with some more knowledge about this should add it thanks Yellow Onion 07:13, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Zootland 01:02, 28 October 2007 (UTC) I've update the origin of the name Christchurch from volume one of the three-volume History of Canterbury, which cites the minutes of the Canterbury Association, which created the name.
CHCH is misssing from an interesting list of demonyms Feroshki 03:18, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
This [5] makes interesting reading on the origin of the names Avon, Canterbury, and Christchurch. 65.95.15.144 ( talk) 20:45, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
The original entry stated the new industry in Christchurch was developed by the University of Canterbury and the Christchurch Polytechnic. This is incorrect and I have amended it. Both Sir Angus Tait and Gil Simpson effectively dropped out of high school. Dennis Chapman served an apprenticeship at Tait's before the firm sent him to University of Canterbury engineering school. It is true that the university has enabled their early efforts to grow. The university especially has supplied a continuing flow of high class engineering and software graduates, and there is now fruitful synergy between the local tech industry and the university.
However, academics should not underplay the role non-graduates play in establishing new industry. Christchurch has its lesser versions of drop-out giants like Bill Gates. The world's armies of management lecturers have yet to disprove that entrepreneurship to a considerable degree is an aspect of personality.
Zootland 01:16, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
{{ Editprotected}} As the article currently states "The area around this square and within the four avenues of Christchurch (Bealey Avenue, Fitzgerald Avenue, Moorhouse Avenue and Rolleston Avenue)" Rolleston Ave should infact be Deans Ave which was named after the Deans Brothers.
Ok, since I think a City Council definition [7] overrides what Te Ara says, I have changed both my mind and the article. dramatic ( talk) 20:33, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Note that inclusion of the Māori name is in accordance with Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(New_Zealand). dramatic ( talk) 08:55, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Lists of Famous People simply don't work for large population centres - they are never complete, the criteria for inclusion are not clear, and in this case not one entry was referenced. It also contains inaccuracies - Lord Rutherford was associated at Christchurch (Early studies at Canterbury University College) but he is from Brightwater in Nelson. dramatic ( talk) 18:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
There are quite a few new suburbs that have gone up int he past few years that haven't been added to this article. Such as Aidenfield and Milns Estate, if someone could update these it would be wonderful but I personally don't have the time to research all the missing suburbs and find out where they would go in that "clockwise" list. TheRabidMonkie ( talk) 07:19, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
The usual Māori name Ōtautahi is a shortened form of Te Whenua o Te Potiki-Tautahi – named for the seasonal dwelling of Ngāi Tahu chief Tautahi of Port Levy, on a bank of the Avon River, near to where the Barbadoes Street bridge now stands.[3]..
This part is confusing. Since when was Port Levy on the banks of the avon river? Port Levy is in Banks Peninsula, which is a distance away from the avon river, which runs through Christchurch. This sentence needs to be re written. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.54.197.218 ( talk) 05:58, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Why does Christchurch City Council redirect to here? Surely an organisation such as this deserves its own page? The Auckland City Council has its own page... TallGuy ( talk) 21:06, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
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"maximum temperatures in January ranging from 15 °C to 25 °C (59–77 °F) (often reaching 30 °C/86 °F or higher)".
If they reach 30 or higher then the top of the range is not 25. Nurg ( talk) 06:13, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
The article states that the city is the "second-largest" in New Zealand. The population numbers are close, but doesn't Wellington have slightly more, making it the second largest? Eastgate ( talk) 09:53, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
In Template:Christchurch City, New Zealand, the central city is not listed as a separate suburb. What is listed is Christchurch, and that of course goes to the city as a whole. Can I suggest that:
I would appreciate your thoughts. I suggest that this be discussed on the template talk page. Schwede66 ( talk) 17:18, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm rather dubious about the value of having lists of suburbs (clockwise at that) in the body of the article. I don't think that this adds anything to the quality of the page on Christchurch. The appropriate place, in my opinion, for such lists is in templates in the footer, and indeed those templates already exist for the suburbs, and the satellite towns could easily be added in the same manner. The lists could be replaced with a write up on the structure of the city. What do others think? Schwede66 ( talk) 18:41, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
The suburb articles all use Template:Infobox settlement (if they have an infobox). There is also the Template:Infobox New Zealand suburbs available, which would appear to be more suitable. Any thoughts on using the latter infobox instead for the Christchurch suburbs? Schwede66 ( talk) 18:45, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
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Here's Christchurch's climate chart, which I think shows the data in a far more visually direct and appealing way than the current table. Thoughts? - Gobeirne ( talk) 09:37, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
The uncooperative climate chart editor is back. And due to recent events, we have a good number of anons editing. So semiprotection would stop many useful additions, too. Could the climate section be a protected subpage that gets transcluded? That would at least be easier to restore, while not affecting other anons. Schwede 66 15:45, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi just wondering why my climate change was reverted? I'm OK wiht the current one, but the change I made (I believe) makes it alot easier and larger to read. Colours help people to identify certain temps aswell as it would for precip. Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.188.176.231 ( talk) 00:25, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
I also think the weatherbox is necessary (perhaps in addition with the climate graph). The weatherbox is more aligned with similar pages such as Auckland and international cities such as London- it makes it easier to compare climate data between locations. It also allows other vital statistics such as sunshine hours to be displayed. The weatherbox could be positioned collapsed at the bottom as to not take up as much room.( Hugho226 ( talk) 06:44, 21 May 2012 (UTC))
I am almost certain the record high temperatures for the city are wrong (at least in winter.) The temperatures get higher than what is listed. I would like to see a separate source for the maximum and minimum temperatures that have been added. 119.224.80.253 ( talk) 09:50, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
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Hi all - our article on the Nor'west arch could seriously use a photo...and judging by the idiot wind blowing hot through Dunedin today there's a chance that there's a good opportunity for one from one of our Cantabrian editors. Any chance? Grutness... wha? 23:02, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
It is incorrectly stated that A Coruña, Spain, is Christchurch's antipodal, but it is about 90 km off. The correct antipodal city is Foz, Spain. (According to Google Earth). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.190.107.34 ( talk) 00:50, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Could someone please add the population (and hopefully also thus the population density) to the infobox? I would, but I'm scared of ruining the formatting. FrFintonStack ( talk) 02:24, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest that we use this photo as the lead image. In my opinion, it's much nicer than what we currently have. That said, some people may prefer not to have a b&w image. Feedback, please. Schwede 66 05:18, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
It might be a good idea to start thinking about reducing the information on the earthquakes under history. I do think they should get a reasonable mention, but moving most of the information to History of the Canterbury Region (where they are currently not even mentioned) with a summary here could be a good start. AIRcorn (talk) 06:02, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
The earthquake on 22 Feb wasn't an aftershock of September, but a separate quake Jenny wren nz ( talk) 22:10, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
I've reverted the amendments to the secondary school section. Whilst some of the edits were a clear improvement, I can't see the sense in removing all the wikilinks. I have invited the editor to discuss their rationale for the changes. Schwede 66 18:01, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
I edited the schooling section as the way the schools were discussed indicated that many were "public school" in the English tradition. Although this might be accurate the fact that a number of these school are now state integrated schools is significant. State integrated schools are run and financed completely differently to Independent schools which the original text had them aligned with. The changes I made indicate that Christchurch has the three types of schools that exist within NZ State; State integrated and Independent. Was not my intention to remove the Wikilinks, usually they just reappear.
Independent Schools of NZ website Education in NZ Wiki
Danibath 17.10.11 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danibath ( talk • contribs) 22:28, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
Nice work on the montage for the infobox by User:Radiojoe329. Two suggestions:
This category has the Cathedral photos, and this is where the montage should be stored. If any of this is baffling, leave a note here and I'll explain further / help. Schwede 66 04:52, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
It has been suggested that Christchurch Central City be moved to Central Christchurch. See Talk:Christchurch_Central_City. Nurg ( talk) 03:29, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
I was wondering if anyone would be willing to make a new montage for Christchurch's infobox. I have a few new, high quality images that I would love to see added:
I have another image which I will upload after. 121.220.222.63 ( talk) 06:41, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
In retrospect, yes, I do agree that the aerial of the city isn't much. It's very dark and kind of has a blue tinge. Not much colour. You could definitely replace it with the one in the tallest buildings article, or just use the largest pano in the current montage. Other than that I am happy with the rest, I did include that Christchurch tram image because I think it's great when enlarged. Here is the final image I decided to include but have not had time to upload, until now. Very idealic, even though that's not Wiki's purpose, the images comprised do give an enticing view of the city and this particular image depicts the beauty and strong aspect of nature, parks and gardens in the city. If you know how to do montages I would appreciate it very much if you could make a few previews and post them here so we can decide on one! As for the earthquake images, I don't think it's relevant enough to go in the infobox, it doesn't define the city as a whole. For example, you wouldn't see the 9/11 attacks in a montage of New York City, nor would you see the destruction caused by earthquakes in Japanese cities in those montages. I think photos of the Earthquakes are suitable for the History sections and wherever else they may be required. 121.220.222.63 ( talk) 12:09, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
Being a resident of Christchurch, I feel insulted to note the camelcase used so frequently here. I'd like to fix it, but I really don't have the time to comb through the article and fix it. If anyone has a currently unused bot, could they please use it to correct "ChristChurch" to "Christchurch"? The Anonymous Superior ( talk) 08:59, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
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As someone who lives outside New Zealand (although I did live for a time in Christchurch) I must point out that the lead section of this article has a glaring omission. It is puzzling why the lead includes a sentence on a piece of trivia about sign language but entirely avoids reference to the devastating and deadly 2011 earthquakes. I understand that locals might like to the put the past behind them and accentuate the positive, but it is a simple fact that when people overseas refer to Christchurch in conversation there is almost always a reference to the deadly quakes and the city's ongoing recovery. Today it is one of the most notable facts about Christchurch, and the very visible signs of the disaster that remain in the city attest to that. Ignoring it in the lead section has all the appearances of censorship or whitewashing, whether this is intended or not. A single sentence in the lead would suffice. BlackCab ( TALK) 23:03, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
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Perhaps Wikipedia articles are necessarily brief but there seems to be an awful lot missing in this article. Baby boomers will wonder what happened to the Christchurch they grew up in? Yonk ( talk) 01:47, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
I reverted edits [8] and [9] because I don't believe the content added has any importance or notability for inclusion in this article. However another user User:StuRat has reverted my reverts and accused me of edit warring. I requested the user to discuss the content first, which has not been done. I feel a consensus from other members is necessary in order to assess whether it is suitable for inclusion. My opinion is that it is a simple case of WP:NOTNEWS and oppose to it being included in the article. Ajf773 ( talk) 06:53, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
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It seems rather confusing to give the population of the urban area as 358,000, then give the population of the administrative district, but further down the page have the line "The population is expected to grow to 358,000 by the year 2021". Which population? - And I'd like to see the basis of the first 'Urban Area' figure. If that is based on the Regional Council area it is clearly wrong. The 316,000 figure agrees with the census, and their measurement area includes Prebbleton, Templeton and Kaiapoi, but Excludes Lyttelton and the Harbour bays area. This seems pretty close to the entire urban area to me. dramatic 23:23, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
According to this Wikipedia article, as of June 2011 Wellington has a bigger population (393,400) than Christchurch (380,900). So Christchurch is the third largest urban area of NZ. 121.73.7.84 ( talk) 12:52, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
Underneath where the urban population is provided, there should be a metro population as both the Wellington and Auckland pages include this. Unfortunately, the definition of this in those articles is less clear or consistent.
Schwede66 ( talk · contribs) has removed the 'terrorist attack' heading. If there is no objection, I will restore it. the Attack is the main reason that Christchurch is leading world news today; and appears to be much more noteworthy than the Port Hills fires with which it now shares a heading.
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The section headings are not ideal and I suggest changes and welcome comment. Ideally we should add time periods as in many other city articles. The term "Modern history" means more than just anything from about 1900, and the shootings are really current affairs, not history. Should we create sub headings of "Pre-European"; 1840-1945; 1945-2000; 2001-present, with further subsections for matters that greatly influenced the city, such as the quakes. These dates are fairly arbitrary and open to debate but point is still dividing up by time periods. Roger 8 Roger ( talk) 01:52, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Added an intro sentence on the attacks to the first section. Regrouped history slightly, and consolidated the Antarctic sections as well. Hope this points towards a better structure that will help organise what is becoming quite a large page. Somej ( talk) 21:12, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
About the recent edits - I tend to agree with Schwede66 that recent events are not minor and would certainly stand get through the 10YT, meaning they should be included in an account of the city's history. However, I do think the section is heavily weighted towards contemporary events. This is a problem afflicting very many WP articles on places. Many editors seem to think that if something happened outside their memory or that of their parents then it did not happen or its importance is diminished. Even if an editor does not have that view, sources of past events are significantly less easy to find which makes only compounds the over weighting of contemporary events. Rather than say that this article if too focused on contemporary events, I think it is better described it as lacking detail of say, pre-1945 events. I think it would be useful not have sub-sections for narrowly defined contemporary time periods. I also prefer not to use the term ' modern history' when contemporary is meant. Better still would be 'Post 2000' or similar to avoid ambiguity. Roger 8 Roger ( talk) 20:40, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
The chart in Geography section doesn't cite any sources. It may be removed if no reference is provided in the future. PAper GOL ( talk) 06:37, 10 July 2023 (UTC)