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DDStretch (talk) 17:16, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Are you sure about that, I would have thought Chester or Crewe were bigger (unless you were reffering to towns not populus areas. DannyM 11:01, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
Chester is a City not a town.
Warrington is in Lancashire.
Only in one sense - for most purposes, it's been entirely in Cheshire since 1974. Guy Hatton 00:40, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Aye, Warrington is bigger than Chester and Crewe.-- Vindicta 23:13, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
In the opening says Cheshire is between the West Midlands and The North West...We are PART of the NORTH WEST of England..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.30.231.12 ( talk) 14:11, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Do we honestley need four pics of basically the same place, just from different angles. Also, any pics the Coat of Arms (i.e. the one with the blue b/g and 4 swords)?. DannyM 18:09, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
It suggests that Wayne Ronney is a famous person from Cheshire, but he was born in Liverpool.
The map of the counties highlights the wrong area for Cheshire. 203.97.171.66 ( talk) 04:54, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
I've added a new section on Cheshire buildings, sourced mainly from Images of England. An expert contributor would be great! Espresso Addict 16:52, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
I saw that show about footballer cribs, the episode where they had Harry Kewell's house, and he said it was in Cheshire, so i'll add him, if anyone knows if he has moved recently or anything though, feel free to delete his name. -- Nirvana- 12:30, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Cisse moved to France right?-- Vindicta 23:13, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Kim Cattrall and Tim Curry were born well before the transfer of the local governemnt of Warrington and Widnes in April 1974 into the administrative county of Cheshire, so by definition they ARE NOT from Cheshire! Try Lancashire. I hate revisionism. (AMD, Yorkshire). 84.67.152.88 21:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Transport is a bit thin on the ground. Anything else need adding? MRSC 08:10, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
This edit attempts to show places that were, and places that are, in Cheshire on a like-for-like basis and this is not the case. It is clearer, and in keeping the way other articles are written to show a clear distinction. MRSC 17:19, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Why is Cholmondely pronounced "chumly"?
It's actually spelled 'Cholmondeley'. There's a Marquess of Cholmondeley whose seat is Cholmondeley Castle; ask him. And what about nearby Cholmondeston, commonly pronounced 'chumston'? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99ver1tas99 ( talk • contribs) 03:00, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
I've noticed on the talk page for Chester (the city) that there is some confusion about what to include. I added a comment pointing out that there is confusion that fails to distinguish between the actual City of Chester and the District within Cheshire with a very similar name, but which is more extensive. Would there be anything gained from making the entries of and/or references to the districts clearer by adding "District of" to their titles and editing the text appropriately? I may be reletively new to all this, but it would potentially make things more clear and not be inaccurate at all. DDS talk 13:41, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I hope I haven't trodden on any toes by doing this, but I took as a precedent the project about Cornwall. I've listed a proposed project concerning Cheshire on Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals. I think it can easily co-exist with Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography. I would not want to diminish or withdraw from this other project. If you are interested in contributing to this proposed project, please add your name to list at the appropriate place. If you think it might be better placed as a sub-project of the dxisting UK Geography Project, please say so on that project's talk page, here, and let us discuss it. Many thanks. DDS talk 18:02, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Dorset seems to be the page that everyone refers to as the template for UK counties. In comparison, the Cheshire page seems a little disjointed. I am happy to have a crack at reorganising it into the following headings:
Cheshire also has a Divisions and environs section, which does not appear in Dorset so not sure where we would put this - into Politics perhaps?
Anyway, anyone got any particular strong feelings about this before I rework it? Pixie2000 09:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
The diagram with the compass in the middle that shows the neighbouring counties is rubbish. A map of counties would show the same information but more precisely, accurately and nicely. Bazonka 10:57, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
what counts as a noteable resident?.. if it is just someone who meets the WP:notablitity guidelines (ie, has an article), and has, at some point, lived in cheshire, then there are loads more.. most of the Man U team for starters.. not sure why it seems to be so focused on the 19th C at the moment.. i will add a couple, feel free to remove them if they don't meet any guidelines anyone (main contributor(s)?) would like to state. ~ Bungalowbill
A lot of the names in the article are unreferenced and their notability may be questioned. They fall into two groups from the point of view of Wikipedia: people who are not still alive, and people still alive. The first group can simply have the facts tagged, which I have done by means of an overall template for the sectiuon; however in the case of the second group, WP:BLP comes into play, and unreferenced claims need to be handled differently. What I have done is move those names here (below). This is to avoid deleting them. Once verification of the facts can be completed by citing a reliable source for the facts, they can be transferred back into the article. The citations should follow the style used in the article, and unsuitable references should be avoided (the names will just get transferred back here again.) Note that wikipedia cannot be used to verify itself, so if verification for the facts can be found in another wikipedia article, the reference(s) that verify the fact should be duplicated in this article, rather than relying on people following a link to another article which may change in the future. Thank you. DDStretch (talk) 18:03, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
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Many thanks. DDStretch (talk) 21:50, 15 January 2009 (UTC) (on behalf of the taskforce)
I live in Cheshire and the only two ways of pronouncing Cheshire I have heard is , Chesheer and Chesh-shire. I don't understand the IPA but I'm sure that there should be two IPA's due to the two ways I hear regulary. 安東尼 TALK 圣诞快乐 18:43, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
I too have strong connections with Cheshire, not only from my family's roots for centuries but my own birth there some decades ago. I cannot recall anybody in my family ever pronouncing it as anything but "Chesh-uh". Certainly not pronouncing the "shire" part as it is spelled, or as "sheer", with or without the final 'r' sound being left out, as it would be 'heah but not there. Twistlethrop ( talk) 04:55, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
The Sandstone Trail is described as being 55km long in the official government website [4]. It therefore makes sense fot this article to follow this usage, especially as the rest of the article is metric first. Michael Glass ( talk) 11:33, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Agreed. One paragraph is miles first, as per the source quoted. However, the rest of the article - except for the Sandstone Trail reference - appears to be metric first. Therefore I would still favour the description of the Sandstone Trail to be metric first for the following reasons.
However, if people still feel that it's a problem to make this change, please speak up. Michael Glass ( talk) 08:08, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
This article ought to be the jewel in the crown of the Cheshire project, but instead it languishes at B-class, and shows no prospect of advancing beyond that.
I'd like to propose that as the beginning of a drive towards at least GA, that the Notable people section is dropped. Compare this article with Greater Manchester, for instance, which is an FA. -- Malleus Fatuorum 20:35, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
The Cheshire Wikiproject has a problem. It was founded by Ddstretch, and he is the main editor for this article. Unfortunately he has been inactive since March 2009. Another major contributor to the project was Espresso Addict but she has been effectively inactive for a similar period. I have contacted both of them and hoped they would return, but so far, no luck. I managed to rescue the articles on Runcorn and Widnes from the pits, but since then my interest in geography articles has waned (they're hard work and I'm lazy). And my interests have moved on to (more superficial) articles on heritage and architecture. Which has left virtually no-one doing much to the "major" articles in the project. So, strength to Malleus! If anyone out there, in the GM project or elsewhere, can help Cheshire, please do so. Peter I. Vardy ( talk) 19:47, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
As per our discussion, I'm moving this list here. Whichever of these is truly notable in the context of this article can be integrated in the appropriate place.
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I think the material under administrative history could be merged with politics and administration under the title governance. That would leave the history section encumbered by explaining boundary changes except where necessary for the understanding of events. This approach may not work if the boundary changes are integral to the history of the county, but I think it's worth a try.
I've also separated the list of books that were listed under the bibliography section into further reading for stuff not directly referenced, and where books have inline citations they've been retained. A couple of books have no page numbers, and a couple are cited but aren't listed in the bibliography, ie: Ingham, A. (1920); Cheshire: Its Traditions and History, Roffe (2000); George, D. (1991). Lancashire; Davies, R. R. 'Richard II and the Principality of Chester' in The Reign of Richard II: Essays in Honour of May McKisack, ed. F. R. H. Du Boulay and Caroline Baron (1971); Jones, B. et al. (2004). Politics UK; Chandler, J. (2001). Local Government Today. A couple of these will be easy to sort out, but Roffe might be tricky. The bibliography may be pretty long, so I think Template:Harvnb should be used. Nev1 ( talk) 17:36, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
The 2001 figures given in the demography section (674,000) are wildly different from the 2008 estimates given in the info box (>1 million). Both appear to check out from a quick scan of the references -- has there really been such an increase in population or is something up here? I'm wondering if the 674,000 set are excluding Warrington & Halton. Espresso Addict ( talk) 03:19, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
Cheshire was a former palatinate not a principality; the confusion may come because the earldom was taken into the crown in 1237 and eventually the territories became part of the Prince of Wales' land [Cannon, John (Ed): The Oxford Companion to British History; 1997. OUP].
If I understand palatinates properly, authority lay with a local lord or bishop and the county's taxes were paid to these people.
Robsllim ( talk) 15:51, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
"Cheshire West has a fairly large proportion of residents who work in Liverpool, while Cheshire East includes some villages that are notorious with the bourgeoise of Manchester." As a resident of the area I would agree with this evaluation but it's not particularly NPOV, any suggestions for a change?-- J mortimer ( talk) 19:55, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
(discussion copied from my talk page) If you want to indicate local pronunciations, as at Cheshire, that's fine, but you need to mark them as local. When we indicate English pronunciations without any further clarification, they're just English, not any particular dialect. (And actually, is all of Cheshire non-rhotic?) — kwami ( talk) 03:48, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Including /r/ where it exists is standard for WP. Read the IPA key you're linking to. I'm not sure you can even add a non-rhotic form as 'local' (which would be kind of silly anyway, since ar-dropping is automatic) because many people in Cheshire have a rhotic accent. I'm not sure what map you're looking at, because much of Cheshire is shaded yellow as rhotic. And then of course there's an /r/ in RP, not that anyone actually speaks RP any more.
Also, we've been over this a dozen times. (Also with Americans upset that we use RP vowels for American cities, Australians upset that we use RP vowels for Australian cities, etc.) Any change would affect hundreds of articles, so it would really need to be a coordinated change, not done piecemeal. — kwami ( talk) 08:45, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
In the opening says Cheshire is between the West Midlands and The North West...We are PART of the NORTH WEST of England..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.30.231.12 ( talk) 14:11, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
The Economy and industry says "Also within Cheshire are manufacturing plants for Jaguar [...]" - can someone confirm this claim? Where is the Jaguar plant within Cheshire? Could they provide a ref to clarify? PennyDarling ( talk) 14:32, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
I have started a Cheshire Inventions, Innovations and Firsts as requested in the Open Tasks in the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Cheshire. Inline with WP:BOLD, I am adding a link to it here within the Economy and industry section.
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This may be relevant to further reading The involvement of the gentry in the political, administrative and judicial affairs of the county palatine of Chester, 1442-85; D. J. Clayton, Ph.D. thesis, Liverpool 1980 (electronic copy at the British Library).-- Johnsoniensis ( talk) 21:00, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
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DDStretch (talk) 17:16, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Are you sure about that, I would have thought Chester or Crewe were bigger (unless you were reffering to towns not populus areas. DannyM 11:01, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
Chester is a City not a town.
Warrington is in Lancashire.
Only in one sense - for most purposes, it's been entirely in Cheshire since 1974. Guy Hatton 00:40, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Aye, Warrington is bigger than Chester and Crewe.-- Vindicta 23:13, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
In the opening says Cheshire is between the West Midlands and The North West...We are PART of the NORTH WEST of England..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.30.231.12 ( talk) 14:11, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Do we honestley need four pics of basically the same place, just from different angles. Also, any pics the Coat of Arms (i.e. the one with the blue b/g and 4 swords)?. DannyM 18:09, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
It suggests that Wayne Ronney is a famous person from Cheshire, but he was born in Liverpool.
The map of the counties highlights the wrong area for Cheshire. 203.97.171.66 ( talk) 04:54, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
I've added a new section on Cheshire buildings, sourced mainly from Images of England. An expert contributor would be great! Espresso Addict 16:52, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
I saw that show about footballer cribs, the episode where they had Harry Kewell's house, and he said it was in Cheshire, so i'll add him, if anyone knows if he has moved recently or anything though, feel free to delete his name. -- Nirvana- 12:30, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Cisse moved to France right?-- Vindicta 23:13, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Kim Cattrall and Tim Curry were born well before the transfer of the local governemnt of Warrington and Widnes in April 1974 into the administrative county of Cheshire, so by definition they ARE NOT from Cheshire! Try Lancashire. I hate revisionism. (AMD, Yorkshire). 84.67.152.88 21:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Transport is a bit thin on the ground. Anything else need adding? MRSC 08:10, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
This edit attempts to show places that were, and places that are, in Cheshire on a like-for-like basis and this is not the case. It is clearer, and in keeping the way other articles are written to show a clear distinction. MRSC 17:19, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Why is Cholmondely pronounced "chumly"?
It's actually spelled 'Cholmondeley'. There's a Marquess of Cholmondeley whose seat is Cholmondeley Castle; ask him. And what about nearby Cholmondeston, commonly pronounced 'chumston'? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99ver1tas99 ( talk • contribs) 03:00, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
I've noticed on the talk page for Chester (the city) that there is some confusion about what to include. I added a comment pointing out that there is confusion that fails to distinguish between the actual City of Chester and the District within Cheshire with a very similar name, but which is more extensive. Would there be anything gained from making the entries of and/or references to the districts clearer by adding "District of" to their titles and editing the text appropriately? I may be reletively new to all this, but it would potentially make things more clear and not be inaccurate at all. DDS talk 13:41, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
I hope I haven't trodden on any toes by doing this, but I took as a precedent the project about Cornwall. I've listed a proposed project concerning Cheshire on Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals. I think it can easily co-exist with Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography. I would not want to diminish or withdraw from this other project. If you are interested in contributing to this proposed project, please add your name to list at the appropriate place. If you think it might be better placed as a sub-project of the dxisting UK Geography Project, please say so on that project's talk page, here, and let us discuss it. Many thanks. DDS talk 18:02, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Dorset seems to be the page that everyone refers to as the template for UK counties. In comparison, the Cheshire page seems a little disjointed. I am happy to have a crack at reorganising it into the following headings:
Cheshire also has a Divisions and environs section, which does not appear in Dorset so not sure where we would put this - into Politics perhaps?
Anyway, anyone got any particular strong feelings about this before I rework it? Pixie2000 09:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
The diagram with the compass in the middle that shows the neighbouring counties is rubbish. A map of counties would show the same information but more precisely, accurately and nicely. Bazonka 10:57, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
what counts as a noteable resident?.. if it is just someone who meets the WP:notablitity guidelines (ie, has an article), and has, at some point, lived in cheshire, then there are loads more.. most of the Man U team for starters.. not sure why it seems to be so focused on the 19th C at the moment.. i will add a couple, feel free to remove them if they don't meet any guidelines anyone (main contributor(s)?) would like to state. ~ Bungalowbill
A lot of the names in the article are unreferenced and their notability may be questioned. They fall into two groups from the point of view of Wikipedia: people who are not still alive, and people still alive. The first group can simply have the facts tagged, which I have done by means of an overall template for the sectiuon; however in the case of the second group, WP:BLP comes into play, and unreferenced claims need to be handled differently. What I have done is move those names here (below). This is to avoid deleting them. Once verification of the facts can be completed by citing a reliable source for the facts, they can be transferred back into the article. The citations should follow the style used in the article, and unsuitable references should be avoided (the names will just get transferred back here again.) Note that wikipedia cannot be used to verify itself, so if verification for the facts can be found in another wikipedia article, the reference(s) that verify the fact should be duplicated in this article, rather than relying on people following a link to another article which may change in the future. Thank you. DDStretch (talk) 18:03, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
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I live in Cheshire and the only two ways of pronouncing Cheshire I have heard is , Chesheer and Chesh-shire. I don't understand the IPA but I'm sure that there should be two IPA's due to the two ways I hear regulary. 安東尼 TALK 圣诞快乐 18:43, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
I too have strong connections with Cheshire, not only from my family's roots for centuries but my own birth there some decades ago. I cannot recall anybody in my family ever pronouncing it as anything but "Chesh-uh". Certainly not pronouncing the "shire" part as it is spelled, or as "sheer", with or without the final 'r' sound being left out, as it would be 'heah but not there. Twistlethrop ( talk) 04:55, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
The Sandstone Trail is described as being 55km long in the official government website [4]. It therefore makes sense fot this article to follow this usage, especially as the rest of the article is metric first. Michael Glass ( talk) 11:33, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Agreed. One paragraph is miles first, as per the source quoted. However, the rest of the article - except for the Sandstone Trail reference - appears to be metric first. Therefore I would still favour the description of the Sandstone Trail to be metric first for the following reasons.
However, if people still feel that it's a problem to make this change, please speak up. Michael Glass ( talk) 08:08, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
This article ought to be the jewel in the crown of the Cheshire project, but instead it languishes at B-class, and shows no prospect of advancing beyond that.
I'd like to propose that as the beginning of a drive towards at least GA, that the Notable people section is dropped. Compare this article with Greater Manchester, for instance, which is an FA. -- Malleus Fatuorum 20:35, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
The Cheshire Wikiproject has a problem. It was founded by Ddstretch, and he is the main editor for this article. Unfortunately he has been inactive since March 2009. Another major contributor to the project was Espresso Addict but she has been effectively inactive for a similar period. I have contacted both of them and hoped they would return, but so far, no luck. I managed to rescue the articles on Runcorn and Widnes from the pits, but since then my interest in geography articles has waned (they're hard work and I'm lazy). And my interests have moved on to (more superficial) articles on heritage and architecture. Which has left virtually no-one doing much to the "major" articles in the project. So, strength to Malleus! If anyone out there, in the GM project or elsewhere, can help Cheshire, please do so. Peter I. Vardy ( talk) 19:47, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
As per our discussion, I'm moving this list here. Whichever of these is truly notable in the context of this article can be integrated in the appropriate place.
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I think the material under administrative history could be merged with politics and administration under the title governance. That would leave the history section encumbered by explaining boundary changes except where necessary for the understanding of events. This approach may not work if the boundary changes are integral to the history of the county, but I think it's worth a try.
I've also separated the list of books that were listed under the bibliography section into further reading for stuff not directly referenced, and where books have inline citations they've been retained. A couple of books have no page numbers, and a couple are cited but aren't listed in the bibliography, ie: Ingham, A. (1920); Cheshire: Its Traditions and History, Roffe (2000); George, D. (1991). Lancashire; Davies, R. R. 'Richard II and the Principality of Chester' in The Reign of Richard II: Essays in Honour of May McKisack, ed. F. R. H. Du Boulay and Caroline Baron (1971); Jones, B. et al. (2004). Politics UK; Chandler, J. (2001). Local Government Today. A couple of these will be easy to sort out, but Roffe might be tricky. The bibliography may be pretty long, so I think Template:Harvnb should be used. Nev1 ( talk) 17:36, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
The 2001 figures given in the demography section (674,000) are wildly different from the 2008 estimates given in the info box (>1 million). Both appear to check out from a quick scan of the references -- has there really been such an increase in population or is something up here? I'm wondering if the 674,000 set are excluding Warrington & Halton. Espresso Addict ( talk) 03:19, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
Cheshire was a former palatinate not a principality; the confusion may come because the earldom was taken into the crown in 1237 and eventually the territories became part of the Prince of Wales' land [Cannon, John (Ed): The Oxford Companion to British History; 1997. OUP].
If I understand palatinates properly, authority lay with a local lord or bishop and the county's taxes were paid to these people.
Robsllim ( talk) 15:51, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
"Cheshire West has a fairly large proportion of residents who work in Liverpool, while Cheshire East includes some villages that are notorious with the bourgeoise of Manchester." As a resident of the area I would agree with this evaluation but it's not particularly NPOV, any suggestions for a change?-- J mortimer ( talk) 19:55, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
(discussion copied from my talk page) If you want to indicate local pronunciations, as at Cheshire, that's fine, but you need to mark them as local. When we indicate English pronunciations without any further clarification, they're just English, not any particular dialect. (And actually, is all of Cheshire non-rhotic?) — kwami ( talk) 03:48, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Including /r/ where it exists is standard for WP. Read the IPA key you're linking to. I'm not sure you can even add a non-rhotic form as 'local' (which would be kind of silly anyway, since ar-dropping is automatic) because many people in Cheshire have a rhotic accent. I'm not sure what map you're looking at, because much of Cheshire is shaded yellow as rhotic. And then of course there's an /r/ in RP, not that anyone actually speaks RP any more.
Also, we've been over this a dozen times. (Also with Americans upset that we use RP vowels for American cities, Australians upset that we use RP vowels for Australian cities, etc.) Any change would affect hundreds of articles, so it would really need to be a coordinated change, not done piecemeal. — kwami ( talk) 08:45, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
In the opening says Cheshire is between the West Midlands and The North West...We are PART of the NORTH WEST of England..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.30.231.12 ( talk) 14:11, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
The Economy and industry says "Also within Cheshire are manufacturing plants for Jaguar [...]" - can someone confirm this claim? Where is the Jaguar plant within Cheshire? Could they provide a ref to clarify? PennyDarling ( talk) 14:32, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
I have started a Cheshire Inventions, Innovations and Firsts as requested in the Open Tasks in the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Cheshire. Inline with WP:BOLD, I am adding a link to it here within the Economy and industry section.
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If anyone is interested, there is a discussion taking place here [5]. All comments are welcome. Roger 8 Roger ( talk) 23:17, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
This may be relevant to further reading The involvement of the gentry in the political, administrative and judicial affairs of the county palatine of Chester, 1442-85; D. J. Clayton, Ph.D. thesis, Liverpool 1980 (electronic copy at the British Library).-- Johnsoniensis ( talk) 21:00, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
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Really not sure what this line is saying: For this and other reasons, the Welsh language name for Cheshire, Swydd Gaerlleon, is sometimes used. What reason, when? Geopersona ( talk) 06:21, 8 December 2023 (UTC)