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If "Charles, Prince of Wales" is sufficient, shouldn't there also be "Elizabeth, Queen Mother"? Just asking, I don't know whether this has already been discussed. -- 82.181.201.187 ( talk) 15:24, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was not moved. See also the recent unsuccessful request at Talk:Prince Harry of Wales. -- BDD ( talk) ( non-admin closure)
Charles, Prince of Wales → Prince Charles – Let's call royals by the names that they are usually referred to. “Wikipedia...prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources," per WP:COMMONNAME. Kauffner ( talk) 04:39, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Columbia calls him "Charles", Britannica says "Charles, prince of Wales", and Encarta says "Prince Charles." Amazon's top-selling bio is Jessica Jayne's Prince Charles Biography.
I have added figures for the past year in parenthesis. This is not so much an effort to be obsessively up to date, but more of an arbitrary qualification to reduce ghosting, which appears to be a problem on The Economist site and perhaps others. Kauffner ( talk) 23:47, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Organization | Prince Charles (last year) | Charles, Prince of Wales (last year) | URLs |
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The Age (Australia) |
2,450 (153) | 39 (17) |
"Prince Charles" site:www.theage.com.au "Charles, Prince of Wales" site:www.theage.com.au |
BBC | 9,520 (1,730) | 667 (188) |
"Prince Charles" site:www.bbc.co.uk "Charles, Prince of Wales" site:www.bbc.co.uk |
New York Times | 2,780 (57) | 144 (5) |
"Prince Charles" site:www.nytimes.com "Charles, Prince of Wales" site:www.nytimes.com |
The Times (London) |
143 (2) | 2 (0) |
"Prince Charles" site:www.thetimes.co.uk "Charles, Prince of Wales" site:www.thetimes.co.uk |
The Economist | 4,750 (18) | 0 (0) |
"Prince Charles" site:www.economist.com "Charles, Prince of Wales" site:www.economist.com |
Highbeam Media reports compiled for the last two years |
9,563 (3,832) | 136 (38) |
"Prince Charles" "Charles, Prince of Wales" |
On the issue of hits for "prince of Wales", Charles "prince of Wales" got 868 hits on Highbeam for the last year, compared to 3,832 for "Prince Charles" (23%). For the New York Times in the last year, the equivalent numbers are 14 to 57 (25%). So the overwhelming majority of news stories call him just "Prince Charles," and don't use the phrase "prince of Wales" at all. Kauffner ( talk) 04:15, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
There is also the important point that Prince of Wales is just one of his titles. Note the following 3 articles, each calling him one of his official titles, but all using Prince Charles too.. demonstrating it is his commonname. The Prince of Wales + Prince Charles, Duke of Cornwall + Prince Charles, Duke of Rothesay + Prince Charles. BritishWatcher ( talk) 13:54, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Comment - i have yet to see any evidence produced by those opposing the move backing up the claim "Charles, Prince of Wales" or even "The Prince of Wales", is the most commonname for this person. Just because there may be more google hits for "prince of Wales" does in no way mean its this persons common name. Considering there are numerous Prince of Wales pubs, locations, at least one theatre, a past and future Royal Navy warship, along with past holders of this title etc. Where is the evidence. BritishWatcher ( talk) 13:36, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
Query If we grant this approach, should we move Felipe, Prince of Asturias, crown prince of Spain, to "Prince Felipe"? Few would deny that he is the primary meaning. PatGallacher ( talk) 17:38, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
If this article is moved to "Prince Charles", why not "Prince Philip" and "Prince William" too? The only consistent usage I can think of is "Prince Charles, Prince of Wales", just as there is "Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh", "Prince William, Duke of Cambridge" and indeed, "Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother". -- 82.181.201.187 ( talk) 17:49, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm doing some research into Vlad Dracula, and I saw a very small note on his page that Prince Charles has claimed to be descended from Vlad, but I can find no mention of him on the Prince's page nor in any of the links from his Ancestry section - the House of Windsor, etc. While I'm afraid my own genealogy skills are near non-existent, if anyone finds the time and inclination to elaborate, I'd be very much obliged. Gatherer818 ( talk) 08:41, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
Possibly he is, but given the extent to which European royal families intermarried this is nothing exceptional, we can hardly list all his ancestors. PatGallacher ( talk) 08:48, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
I see. Thanks for letting me know why it wasn't up there, at least. As I'm just working on fiction anyway, I can simply assume it's the truth and move on, but I like building my modern fiction with as much fact behind it as I can, hence the research. Gatherer818 ( talk) 23:32, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
His grandmother Mary of Teck's grandmother came from the ethnic Hungarian minority in Transylvania, so it is not far-fetched that she might have been descended from Vlad the Impaler, although by some accounts she was descended from his brother, Vlad the Monk. I suggest we leave this. PatGallacher ( talk) 12:59, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
We have substantive evidence that the Prince of Wales is directly descended from Vlad Dracul. Please see 'Charles Prince of Wales', Anthony Holden (1979), ISBN 0 297 77662 2. In Appendix C 'Prince Charles's Descent' Mr Holden refers specifically to Mr Gerald Paget's two volume publication entitled "The Lineage and Ancestry of HRH Prince Charles, Prince of Wales" (Skilton 1977). From this source it is clear that the lineage to Vlad Dracul is indeed derived from Queen Mary's ancestry. It is not the purpose of Wikipedia to dismiss relevant fact, regardless of whether the fact may be remarkable or otherwise. Ds1994 ( talk) 18:59, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
Should his alleged political interference have a section of its own? It's sometimes mentioned as the article goes along, such as lobbying for alternative medicine, but it's something that is highly controversial and widely-reported.
I also question the neutrality of this in parts- the introduction in particular comes across as highly supportive of him- 'Championed organic farming', 'outspoken on the role of architecture in society', 'promoted herbal and alternative medicine'- and should be counter-balanced by widespread criticism of these activities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.244.107.254 ( talk) 23:46, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
See proposal to move Talk:Baron of Renfrew (ship) to main subject on twodab Baron of Renfrew, title of Prince Charles. In ictu oculi ( talk) 09:44, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
Why should this be the only subsection of the Second marriage section? All the text in the section is part of the subsection. Therefore, the subsection makes no sense. Surtsicna ( talk) 01:10, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Just a minor trifle, the article says his wedding to Diana produced two sons. It should say his marriage produced the sons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.27.174 ( talk) 08:52, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
Would he qualify? All Hallow's Wraith ( talk) 09:58, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
Charles has been heir apparent since 1952, ie for approx 60 years. But Victoria's son Edward VII was heir apparent from 1837 to 1901, ie 63+ years, so this sentence in Prince Charles's biography must be untrue.
I haven't removed the sentence "He is the longest-serving heir apparent in British history" since there may be some technicality that I don't know of that has caused the statement to have been made.
If I'm right and Charles is not in fact "the longest-serving heir apparent in British history", then perhaps someone would delete the sentence.
If I am not correct, why not?
Rainlightly ( talk) 16:05, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
Thank you; I could swear I was reading Edward VII's heir apparent info straight from the Wikipedia entry, but I see now that your date is given there and the entry has had no changes in the last 2 days. I must have had a brainstorm... Rainlightly ( talk) 09:08, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Nothing about
Grover cleveland ( talk) 17:35, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
The article states (under the Section: Youth, Subsection: Created Prince of Wales) that "Charles is the oldest Prince of Wales since it became the title granted to the heir apparent to the English throne, and the third-longest serving Prince of Wales, behind George IV and Edward VII, whom he will pass on 10 October 2017". Is this date correct? Edward VII's tenure as Prince of Wales lasted from 8 December 1841 to 22 January 1901, a period of 59 years and 45 days. Charles was created Prince of Wales on 26 July 1958 and 59 years and 45 days from that date will be 10 September 2017 so that should be the date on which Charles will overtake Edward VII as the longest serving Prince of Wales and not 10 October 2017 as the article currently states. 82.26.7.221 ( talk) 20:02, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
I have changed the date Charles would exceed the age William IV was when he assumed the throne to 20 September 2013 on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UK_monarchy_records also as it had previously said on there as well that this date would be 18 September 2013. For consistency, not sure if any other pages would need updating likewise. With regards to the date that Charles would overtake Edward VII as the longest serving Prince of Wales, 59 years from 26 July 1958 would be 26 July 2017, then it would be (5) days to the end of July then add the (31) days in August and then (9) days in September to give 9 September as the date they would be equal since (5) + (31) + (9) = 45 and hence 10 September as the earliest date Charles would have overtaken Edward VII's record. (unsigned)
For this calculation, between 8 December 1841 and 8 December 1900 there were 59 years (i.e. 59x365 = 21535 days) and also 15 extra days taking the leap years into account (i.e. 29 February for each of 1844, 1848, 1852, 1856, 1860, 1864, 1868, 1872, 1876, 1880, 1884, 1888, 1892, 1896, 1900) to give 21550 plus 45 days to give 21595 days in total so they would be equal on 9 September and Charles would exceed Edward VII's record on 10 September. This can also be confirmed with Excel or other such software. Subtracting 08/12/1841 from 22/01/1901 gives 21595 days and adding 21595 days to 26/07/1958 gives 09/09/2017 as the day they would be equal and 10 September as the first day Charles could claim to have exceeded Edward VII's record. (unsigned)
I'm going to take silence as the absence of further objection. I will change the article so that it gives the correct date, 9 September 2017, as the date when Charles would become the longest serving Prince of Wales. I've also calculated the correct date for when he would surpass the age of William IV on assuming the throne. William IV was born 21 August 1765, and assumed the throne on his father's death on 26 June 1830. Thus he was 26 June 1830 minus 21 August 1765 or 23684 days old. Charles was born 14 November 1948. If we add 23684 days to that, we would get 18 September 2013, the date on which he would equal the age at which William IV ascended the throne, and 19 September 2013 as the date on which he would exceed it. I will change the article accordingly. - Nunh-huh 20:05, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
Yes, please do take silence as the absence of further objection. I have also changed the date Charles would exceed the age William IV was when he assumed the throne to 19 September 2013 on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UK_monarchy_records for consistency as it had previously said 20 September 2013 on there. However, when will the reign of the current monarch, Elizabeth II, exceed that of Queen Victoria? This web page, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest-reigning_British_monarchs, and this one, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_monarchs_by_longevity currently give different dates and so, again for consistency, one or both may need to be changed. This thread can be continued on the talk pages of either of those web pages of course. 82.26.7.221 ( talk) 11:49, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Vǐctoria became queen on 20 June 1837 and died 22 January 1901; that's 23226 days. Elizabeth II became queen on the day her father died, 6 February 1952. Add 23226 days to that, and you get 9 September 2015, the day on which she would equal Victoria, which makes 10 September 2015 the day she would surpass her. I think it appears correctly on the second page cited; I've corrected it on the first page cited. - Nunh-huh 20:23, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
The article, I note, already says that Charles is the longest-serving heir-apparent, but might it be worth mentioning that he is thus also the longest-serving Duke of Cornwall? john k ( talk) 01:26, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
On 27 August 2012 HRH the Prince of Wales addressed the International Union for Conservation of Nature - World Conservation Congress on the urgent need to bring agriculture and conservation back together.
"I have been particularly fascinated, for example, by the work of a remarkable man called Allan Savory, in Zimbabwe and other semi arid areas, who has argued for years against the prevailing expert view that is the simple numbers of cattle that drive overgrazing and cause fertile land to become desert. On the contrary, as he has since shown so graphically, the land needs the presence of feeding animals and their droppings for the cycle to be complete, so that soils and grassland areas stay productive. Such that, if you take grazers off the land and lock them away in vast feedlots, the land dies."- His Royal Highness The Prince of Wales (Prince Charles) [1]
Redddbaron ( talk) 06:04, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
If you think Prince Charles work on environmental issues is trivial, I can edit out the quote and it will be just a short announcement that he gave a speech. But I think that works and advocacy are actually what defines a person's legacy more than anything else. In fact it was her charitable works that defined Princess Diana's legacy IMHO. Shouldn't it be the same for Prince Charles? Redddbaron ( talk) 10:08, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
Since I complained about the length of this page, it has grown by a further 10kb. As I said, comparatively trivial additions should be restricted. A sheep-farmers' award, out of hundreds of awards he has received, is comparatively trivial. DrKiernan ( talk) 07:13, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
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[ http://Http://inthefootstepsofwar.co.uk Http://inthefootstepsofwar.co.uk source Will peace ( talk) 19:21, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
Touch of background detail for the reference to Charles and Diana being called "the Glums" by the British press could be added by linking here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Take_It_From_Here#The_Glums
The specific cultural comparison to this famously dreary 1950s comedy family was very much intentional, and that might be lost on younger readers.
-- PRL1973 ( talk) 08:57, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
I don't understand this revert [3]. The edit summary does not relate to the material removed. Since this material was first removed on 19 April, the article has become even more unbalanced than it was before. I believe that expanding on trivial incidents like an award for sheep-farming while continuing the gradual censorship of all mention of his infidelity is unwise. The article should cover all aspects of his life with due weight, and not favor the views of the sycophants. DrKiernan ( talk) 17:05, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
Tried to remove Allan Warren from two photo captions but I have been reverted, we dont normally put credits in captions unless they are directly relevant and commented on as being notable in the text. Dont see any comment in this article that they are notable to Charles so suggest removing it as per my edit. MilborneOne ( talk) 14:09, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
Known in Scotland as Duke of Rothesay in Scotland and in Cornwall as Duke of Cornwall,
In Scotland twice, please edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.6.20.109 ( talk) 21:58, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Can we remain mindful of WP:BLPSOURCES; we cannot use tabloid sources on articles on living people. Do not add or restore such sources to this article, please. -- John ( talk) 17:44, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
I was just passing by this article and noticed that nowhere in the article does it mention his last name. As an American I don't know this stuff well. Is there a reason the article states him as "born Charles Philip Arthur George", and not "born Charles Philip Arthur George Windsor?". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Racingstripes ( talk • contribs)
We've been told of recent days that his name was not known to the world at large for a month after his birth. This would have coincided with his christening on 15 December 1948, a month and a day after he was born.
Yet, I read on p. 163 of Elizabeth & Philip: The Untold Story (Charles Higham and Roy Moseley) that his parents decided before he was born that if the child was a boy he would be named Charles Philip Arthur George. Why would they have waited a month to reveal his name? I get the impression some journalist has confused the date of his christening with the announcement of his name. Is there a source that proves his name had been released prior to the christening? -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 00:04, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Camilla was also is ex girlfriend, you can't just say she was his mistress since they were in a relationship before she or he married and their past relationship played a part in their future. I'm adding that to the lead to make it neutral. ( Monkelese ( talk) 17:05, 6 August 2013 (UTC))
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Amanda was born in June 1957. If the match was first suggested in early '74, she would have been 16 1/2. Yet our article says 'not yet 16'. Can anyone confirm? -- Y not? 14:57, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Should www.princeofwales.gov.uk be considered a reliable source for this article? Famous dog (c) 07:29, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Charles is not the heir apparent, he is the heir. The heir apparent is the second in line.
Brupey — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brupey ( talk • contribs) 07:49, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Can Monkelese please provide a more detailed justification for his reverts? The lede is "fine the way it is" and "appropriate" are not appropriate explanations for why the lede needs unnecessarily piped links; the titles of a select few of his books, each in a different location in the lede, one with further elaboration on its adaptation into a play, a ballet, and a film and the other with detail about an award it won; detail about a select few of the Prince's endeavours, including the source of ingredients for Duchy Originals, among other minutae; specific mention only of The Prince's Trust and The Prince's Charities; and to be so disjointed and out of order (his marriage and children at the bottom, separated from the paragraph that outlines his birth and education by a lengthy paragraph on his charities and interests, the aforementioned dispersement of the titles of a few books, etc. The lede is a summary, and should be a well written one at that. The current one is bloated with minutae and has interrupted flow. Why? -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 23:09, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Monkelese, this is a blatant revert of my attempt to condense and better organise the lede and address your concerns, despite my disagreement with them. Explanations are required:
Answers more elaborate than "parts of the lead was fine before" would be much appreciated. -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 00:47, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
I don't see anything in the article about how he keeps hilself busy the whole day. What does he do productively? Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia ( talk) 22:24, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Does anyone prefer this pic or should the current lead pic remain? this was taken in 2013
Please decide...
The picture at 19:56, 4 October 2014 [5] is better and should be retained. Qexigator ( talk) 21:09, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
I've noticed that Queen Elizabeth II's religion is listed as "Anglicanism" while Charles's is listed as "Church of England". May I suggest consistency, the Queen's religion should be changed the "Church of England" considering it is the church over which she is the governor of? Thanks MarksmanH ( talk)
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The prince of Wales is no longer 66 years old. 130.43.180.25 ( talk) 07:12, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Under Prince Charles of Wales issue (children) it says Prince HENRY of Wales. It it supposed to be Prince HARRY of Wales. It goes to the correct page, but just thought I'd throw that out there because it may confuse people and I can't edit it myself. 208.184.221.161 ( talk) 19:21, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Say, isn't he a member of the House of Glücksburg.. rather than Windsor? That's his father's house. And correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you get sorted into your dad's house, not your mother's? Regardless of whether she reigns? As in, Queen Victoria being of the House of Hannover, but Edward VII being Saxe-Coburg and Gotha? -- Director ( talk) 20:40, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Can this be a new lead picture — Preceding unsigned comment added by Monkelese ( talk • contribs) 17:40, 15 August 2015
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In today's world of 24-hour royal baby name news, it's hard to find any stupid thing particularly absurd. But November 1948 was a different time. During nameless Charles' hoopla, a reader from Chicago answered an Evening Times poll with such an unbelievably outlandish suggestion that it wound up back across the pond, via AP, where Ottawa Citizen readers shared a hearty "What will those crazy Yankees think up next?"
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Is this still what we'd call notably ludicrous, or has that ship sailed? InedibleHulk (talk) 15:15, September 13, 2015 (UTC)
Am I the only one, who finds it strange that we can't describe his mother as Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom or Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdon and the other Commonwealth realms, in this article's intro? GoodDay ( talk) 21:43, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
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please change the house of Glücksburg inspite of an edict by the queen that he is a windsor,he would continue to hold the descent of the mentioned house of glücksburg. 14.96.37.118 ( talk) 06:38, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
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The article claims that Charles is alternatively known as the Duke of Cornwall in South West England, linking to the official region of that name. The SWE region officially includes Gloucestershire, Wiltshire, and other counties that are quite distant from Cornwall, and it seems to me quite unlikely that Charles would be called Duke of Cornwall there (rather than Prince of Wales). I would imagine "Duke of Cornwall" is only really used in Cornwall, and maybe in Devon. Are there any independent sources to back this claim up? 115.166.16.149 ( talk) 09:18, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
It strikes me as a bit peculiar to have the main image in the article be one where Prince Charles's chest hair is showing. It almost seems like it was done to poke fun at him. Aren't there any more suitable ones? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.166.16.149 ( talk) 09:12, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
How about this one? His appearance hasn't changed at all really since 2012 (and earlier), so I don't think that would be an issue. 115.166.16.149 ( talk) 09:22, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
He says that Prince Henery is his son not Harry — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:480C:4700:11F:A142:54A1:1977 ( talk) 17:45, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, was not titled as a prince when Charles was born. He renounced his "Prince of Greece and Denmark" title before he married Princess Elizabeth, and was not created a British Prince by his wife until many years after they were married. At least I try ( talk) 10:14, 3 August 2016 (UTC) At least I try ( talk) 10:14, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
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In the last line of the first paragraph, it states that Queen Anne died in 1714 at rhe age of 83 when infact she died at the age of 49. She was born in 1665 and died 1714. Devildog2227 ( talk) 19:33, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
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under "issue" his son's names read: Prince William, Duke of Cambridge Prince Henry of Wales
"Henry" here should be "Harry" and the hyperlink is broken Keeks010203 ( talk) 04:20, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
See this article. Is this a reliable source? If so, should we add "Prince of Transylvania" to the list of Charles's titles? Chessrat ( talk, contributions) 13:42, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
Since he technically holds the army-rank of field marshal, shouldn't we add British Army to the branch part of the infobox? - Jak525 ( talk) 21:10, Wednesday, April 19, 2017 (UTC)
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So this line in the first paragraph stuck out: "Known alternatively in South West England as Duke of Cornwall" Is this true in Somerset or Devon, or really just in Cornwall? It seems like a reactionary opposition to Cornish Nationalism to ascribe this opinion to the whole of the Southwest. Any thoughts? 73.11.81.111 ( talk) 06:12, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
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Why is there a resistance to describe Duke of Cornwall as a peerage in England, per Duke of Rothesay being described as a peerage in Scotland? I changed it from Cornwall to England & now somebody else changed it to South West England, what gives? GoodDay ( talk) 11:17, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
Is there any evidence that he is called the Duke of Cornwall outside of Cornwall? I did a quick news search and found nothing to suggest he is known as such in Devon:
I would be stunned if it is different in any adjacent counties. Ivar the Boneful ( talk) 12:45, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
I think it should be stated just that Cornwall and Rothesay are his subsidiary titles, rather than "known alternatively" because frankly that doesn't seem to be the case at all. Ivar the Boneful ( talk)
Wales is no longer a Principality. Please use the term country. Draig ap Dafydd ( talk) 15:01, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
I've deleted his Canadian military ranks from the infobox, on the assumption that he's got military ranks in other Commonwealth realms, besides the UK & Canada. If he does, then why 'highlight' Canada, at the expense of the 14 other non-UK commonwealth realms? GoodDay ( talk) 12:58, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
I think it's possible to address both these points in part by linking to a list elsewhere [12] rather than burdening the infobox with a long list. DrKay ( talk) 08:55, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
I think an argument could be made to restrict the allegiance and service sections to the British navy and air force, which are the only services in which he has served actively. DrKay ( talk) 09:02, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
I think Prince Charles is heir also to be head of state of a number of other countries and not just the British throne. Can someone more knowledgeable than me in this subject include the missing info? Thinker78 ( talk) 05:46, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
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If "Charles, Prince of Wales" is sufficient, shouldn't there also be "Elizabeth, Queen Mother"? Just asking, I don't know whether this has already been discussed. -- 82.181.201.187 ( talk) 15:24, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was not moved. See also the recent unsuccessful request at Talk:Prince Harry of Wales. -- BDD ( talk) ( non-admin closure)
Charles, Prince of Wales → Prince Charles – Let's call royals by the names that they are usually referred to. “Wikipedia...prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources," per WP:COMMONNAME. Kauffner ( talk) 04:39, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Columbia calls him "Charles", Britannica says "Charles, prince of Wales", and Encarta says "Prince Charles." Amazon's top-selling bio is Jessica Jayne's Prince Charles Biography.
I have added figures for the past year in parenthesis. This is not so much an effort to be obsessively up to date, but more of an arbitrary qualification to reduce ghosting, which appears to be a problem on The Economist site and perhaps others. Kauffner ( talk) 23:47, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Organization | Prince Charles (last year) | Charles, Prince of Wales (last year) | URLs |
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The Age (Australia) |
2,450 (153) | 39 (17) |
"Prince Charles" site:www.theage.com.au "Charles, Prince of Wales" site:www.theage.com.au |
BBC | 9,520 (1,730) | 667 (188) |
"Prince Charles" site:www.bbc.co.uk "Charles, Prince of Wales" site:www.bbc.co.uk |
New York Times | 2,780 (57) | 144 (5) |
"Prince Charles" site:www.nytimes.com "Charles, Prince of Wales" site:www.nytimes.com |
The Times (London) |
143 (2) | 2 (0) |
"Prince Charles" site:www.thetimes.co.uk "Charles, Prince of Wales" site:www.thetimes.co.uk |
The Economist | 4,750 (18) | 0 (0) |
"Prince Charles" site:www.economist.com "Charles, Prince of Wales" site:www.economist.com |
Highbeam Media reports compiled for the last two years |
9,563 (3,832) | 136 (38) |
"Prince Charles" "Charles, Prince of Wales" |
On the issue of hits for "prince of Wales", Charles "prince of Wales" got 868 hits on Highbeam for the last year, compared to 3,832 for "Prince Charles" (23%). For the New York Times in the last year, the equivalent numbers are 14 to 57 (25%). So the overwhelming majority of news stories call him just "Prince Charles," and don't use the phrase "prince of Wales" at all. Kauffner ( talk) 04:15, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
There is also the important point that Prince of Wales is just one of his titles. Note the following 3 articles, each calling him one of his official titles, but all using Prince Charles too.. demonstrating it is his commonname. The Prince of Wales + Prince Charles, Duke of Cornwall + Prince Charles, Duke of Rothesay + Prince Charles. BritishWatcher ( talk) 13:54, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Comment - i have yet to see any evidence produced by those opposing the move backing up the claim "Charles, Prince of Wales" or even "The Prince of Wales", is the most commonname for this person. Just because there may be more google hits for "prince of Wales" does in no way mean its this persons common name. Considering there are numerous Prince of Wales pubs, locations, at least one theatre, a past and future Royal Navy warship, along with past holders of this title etc. Where is the evidence. BritishWatcher ( talk) 13:36, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
Query If we grant this approach, should we move Felipe, Prince of Asturias, crown prince of Spain, to "Prince Felipe"? Few would deny that he is the primary meaning. PatGallacher ( talk) 17:38, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
If this article is moved to "Prince Charles", why not "Prince Philip" and "Prince William" too? The only consistent usage I can think of is "Prince Charles, Prince of Wales", just as there is "Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh", "Prince William, Duke of Cambridge" and indeed, "Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother". -- 82.181.201.187 ( talk) 17:49, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm doing some research into Vlad Dracula, and I saw a very small note on his page that Prince Charles has claimed to be descended from Vlad, but I can find no mention of him on the Prince's page nor in any of the links from his Ancestry section - the House of Windsor, etc. While I'm afraid my own genealogy skills are near non-existent, if anyone finds the time and inclination to elaborate, I'd be very much obliged. Gatherer818 ( talk) 08:41, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
Possibly he is, but given the extent to which European royal families intermarried this is nothing exceptional, we can hardly list all his ancestors. PatGallacher ( talk) 08:48, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
I see. Thanks for letting me know why it wasn't up there, at least. As I'm just working on fiction anyway, I can simply assume it's the truth and move on, but I like building my modern fiction with as much fact behind it as I can, hence the research. Gatherer818 ( talk) 23:32, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
His grandmother Mary of Teck's grandmother came from the ethnic Hungarian minority in Transylvania, so it is not far-fetched that she might have been descended from Vlad the Impaler, although by some accounts she was descended from his brother, Vlad the Monk. I suggest we leave this. PatGallacher ( talk) 12:59, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
We have substantive evidence that the Prince of Wales is directly descended from Vlad Dracul. Please see 'Charles Prince of Wales', Anthony Holden (1979), ISBN 0 297 77662 2. In Appendix C 'Prince Charles's Descent' Mr Holden refers specifically to Mr Gerald Paget's two volume publication entitled "The Lineage and Ancestry of HRH Prince Charles, Prince of Wales" (Skilton 1977). From this source it is clear that the lineage to Vlad Dracul is indeed derived from Queen Mary's ancestry. It is not the purpose of Wikipedia to dismiss relevant fact, regardless of whether the fact may be remarkable or otherwise. Ds1994 ( talk) 18:59, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
Should his alleged political interference have a section of its own? It's sometimes mentioned as the article goes along, such as lobbying for alternative medicine, but it's something that is highly controversial and widely-reported.
I also question the neutrality of this in parts- the introduction in particular comes across as highly supportive of him- 'Championed organic farming', 'outspoken on the role of architecture in society', 'promoted herbal and alternative medicine'- and should be counter-balanced by widespread criticism of these activities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.244.107.254 ( talk) 23:46, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
See proposal to move Talk:Baron of Renfrew (ship) to main subject on twodab Baron of Renfrew, title of Prince Charles. In ictu oculi ( talk) 09:44, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
Why should this be the only subsection of the Second marriage section? All the text in the section is part of the subsection. Therefore, the subsection makes no sense. Surtsicna ( talk) 01:10, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Just a minor trifle, the article says his wedding to Diana produced two sons. It should say his marriage produced the sons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.27.174 ( talk) 08:52, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
Would he qualify? All Hallow's Wraith ( talk) 09:58, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
Charles has been heir apparent since 1952, ie for approx 60 years. But Victoria's son Edward VII was heir apparent from 1837 to 1901, ie 63+ years, so this sentence in Prince Charles's biography must be untrue.
I haven't removed the sentence "He is the longest-serving heir apparent in British history" since there may be some technicality that I don't know of that has caused the statement to have been made.
If I'm right and Charles is not in fact "the longest-serving heir apparent in British history", then perhaps someone would delete the sentence.
If I am not correct, why not?
Rainlightly ( talk) 16:05, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
Thank you; I could swear I was reading Edward VII's heir apparent info straight from the Wikipedia entry, but I see now that your date is given there and the entry has had no changes in the last 2 days. I must have had a brainstorm... Rainlightly ( talk) 09:08, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Nothing about
Grover cleveland ( talk) 17:35, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
The article states (under the Section: Youth, Subsection: Created Prince of Wales) that "Charles is the oldest Prince of Wales since it became the title granted to the heir apparent to the English throne, and the third-longest serving Prince of Wales, behind George IV and Edward VII, whom he will pass on 10 October 2017". Is this date correct? Edward VII's tenure as Prince of Wales lasted from 8 December 1841 to 22 January 1901, a period of 59 years and 45 days. Charles was created Prince of Wales on 26 July 1958 and 59 years and 45 days from that date will be 10 September 2017 so that should be the date on which Charles will overtake Edward VII as the longest serving Prince of Wales and not 10 October 2017 as the article currently states. 82.26.7.221 ( talk) 20:02, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
I have changed the date Charles would exceed the age William IV was when he assumed the throne to 20 September 2013 on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UK_monarchy_records also as it had previously said on there as well that this date would be 18 September 2013. For consistency, not sure if any other pages would need updating likewise. With regards to the date that Charles would overtake Edward VII as the longest serving Prince of Wales, 59 years from 26 July 1958 would be 26 July 2017, then it would be (5) days to the end of July then add the (31) days in August and then (9) days in September to give 9 September as the date they would be equal since (5) + (31) + (9) = 45 and hence 10 September as the earliest date Charles would have overtaken Edward VII's record. (unsigned)
For this calculation, between 8 December 1841 and 8 December 1900 there were 59 years (i.e. 59x365 = 21535 days) and also 15 extra days taking the leap years into account (i.e. 29 February for each of 1844, 1848, 1852, 1856, 1860, 1864, 1868, 1872, 1876, 1880, 1884, 1888, 1892, 1896, 1900) to give 21550 plus 45 days to give 21595 days in total so they would be equal on 9 September and Charles would exceed Edward VII's record on 10 September. This can also be confirmed with Excel or other such software. Subtracting 08/12/1841 from 22/01/1901 gives 21595 days and adding 21595 days to 26/07/1958 gives 09/09/2017 as the day they would be equal and 10 September as the first day Charles could claim to have exceeded Edward VII's record. (unsigned)
I'm going to take silence as the absence of further objection. I will change the article so that it gives the correct date, 9 September 2017, as the date when Charles would become the longest serving Prince of Wales. I've also calculated the correct date for when he would surpass the age of William IV on assuming the throne. William IV was born 21 August 1765, and assumed the throne on his father's death on 26 June 1830. Thus he was 26 June 1830 minus 21 August 1765 or 23684 days old. Charles was born 14 November 1948. If we add 23684 days to that, we would get 18 September 2013, the date on which he would equal the age at which William IV ascended the throne, and 19 September 2013 as the date on which he would exceed it. I will change the article accordingly. - Nunh-huh 20:05, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
Yes, please do take silence as the absence of further objection. I have also changed the date Charles would exceed the age William IV was when he assumed the throne to 19 September 2013 on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UK_monarchy_records for consistency as it had previously said 20 September 2013 on there. However, when will the reign of the current monarch, Elizabeth II, exceed that of Queen Victoria? This web page, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest-reigning_British_monarchs, and this one, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_monarchs_by_longevity currently give different dates and so, again for consistency, one or both may need to be changed. This thread can be continued on the talk pages of either of those web pages of course. 82.26.7.221 ( talk) 11:49, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Vǐctoria became queen on 20 June 1837 and died 22 January 1901; that's 23226 days. Elizabeth II became queen on the day her father died, 6 February 1952. Add 23226 days to that, and you get 9 September 2015, the day on which she would equal Victoria, which makes 10 September 2015 the day she would surpass her. I think it appears correctly on the second page cited; I've corrected it on the first page cited. - Nunh-huh 20:23, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
The article, I note, already says that Charles is the longest-serving heir-apparent, but might it be worth mentioning that he is thus also the longest-serving Duke of Cornwall? john k ( talk) 01:26, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
On 27 August 2012 HRH the Prince of Wales addressed the International Union for Conservation of Nature - World Conservation Congress on the urgent need to bring agriculture and conservation back together.
"I have been particularly fascinated, for example, by the work of a remarkable man called Allan Savory, in Zimbabwe and other semi arid areas, who has argued for years against the prevailing expert view that is the simple numbers of cattle that drive overgrazing and cause fertile land to become desert. On the contrary, as he has since shown so graphically, the land needs the presence of feeding animals and their droppings for the cycle to be complete, so that soils and grassland areas stay productive. Such that, if you take grazers off the land and lock them away in vast feedlots, the land dies."- His Royal Highness The Prince of Wales (Prince Charles) [1]
Redddbaron ( talk) 06:04, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
If you think Prince Charles work on environmental issues is trivial, I can edit out the quote and it will be just a short announcement that he gave a speech. But I think that works and advocacy are actually what defines a person's legacy more than anything else. In fact it was her charitable works that defined Princess Diana's legacy IMHO. Shouldn't it be the same for Prince Charles? Redddbaron ( talk) 10:08, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
Since I complained about the length of this page, it has grown by a further 10kb. As I said, comparatively trivial additions should be restricted. A sheep-farmers' award, out of hundreds of awards he has received, is comparatively trivial. DrKiernan ( talk) 07:13, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
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Touch of background detail for the reference to Charles and Diana being called "the Glums" by the British press could be added by linking here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Take_It_From_Here#The_Glums
The specific cultural comparison to this famously dreary 1950s comedy family was very much intentional, and that might be lost on younger readers.
-- PRL1973 ( talk) 08:57, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
I don't understand this revert [3]. The edit summary does not relate to the material removed. Since this material was first removed on 19 April, the article has become even more unbalanced than it was before. I believe that expanding on trivial incidents like an award for sheep-farming while continuing the gradual censorship of all mention of his infidelity is unwise. The article should cover all aspects of his life with due weight, and not favor the views of the sycophants. DrKiernan ( talk) 17:05, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
Tried to remove Allan Warren from two photo captions but I have been reverted, we dont normally put credits in captions unless they are directly relevant and commented on as being notable in the text. Dont see any comment in this article that they are notable to Charles so suggest removing it as per my edit. MilborneOne ( talk) 14:09, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
Known in Scotland as Duke of Rothesay in Scotland and in Cornwall as Duke of Cornwall,
In Scotland twice, please edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.6.20.109 ( talk) 21:58, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Can we remain mindful of WP:BLPSOURCES; we cannot use tabloid sources on articles on living people. Do not add or restore such sources to this article, please. -- John ( talk) 17:44, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
I was just passing by this article and noticed that nowhere in the article does it mention his last name. As an American I don't know this stuff well. Is there a reason the article states him as "born Charles Philip Arthur George", and not "born Charles Philip Arthur George Windsor?". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Racingstripes ( talk • contribs)
We've been told of recent days that his name was not known to the world at large for a month after his birth. This would have coincided with his christening on 15 December 1948, a month and a day after he was born.
Yet, I read on p. 163 of Elizabeth & Philip: The Untold Story (Charles Higham and Roy Moseley) that his parents decided before he was born that if the child was a boy he would be named Charles Philip Arthur George. Why would they have waited a month to reveal his name? I get the impression some journalist has confused the date of his christening with the announcement of his name. Is there a source that proves his name had been released prior to the christening? -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 00:04, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Camilla was also is ex girlfriend, you can't just say she was his mistress since they were in a relationship before she or he married and their past relationship played a part in their future. I'm adding that to the lead to make it neutral. ( Monkelese ( talk) 17:05, 6 August 2013 (UTC))
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Amanda was born in June 1957. If the match was first suggested in early '74, she would have been 16 1/2. Yet our article says 'not yet 16'. Can anyone confirm? -- Y not? 14:57, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Should www.princeofwales.gov.uk be considered a reliable source for this article? Famous dog (c) 07:29, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Charles is not the heir apparent, he is the heir. The heir apparent is the second in line.
Brupey — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brupey ( talk • contribs) 07:49, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Can Monkelese please provide a more detailed justification for his reverts? The lede is "fine the way it is" and "appropriate" are not appropriate explanations for why the lede needs unnecessarily piped links; the titles of a select few of his books, each in a different location in the lede, one with further elaboration on its adaptation into a play, a ballet, and a film and the other with detail about an award it won; detail about a select few of the Prince's endeavours, including the source of ingredients for Duchy Originals, among other minutae; specific mention only of The Prince's Trust and The Prince's Charities; and to be so disjointed and out of order (his marriage and children at the bottom, separated from the paragraph that outlines his birth and education by a lengthy paragraph on his charities and interests, the aforementioned dispersement of the titles of a few books, etc. The lede is a summary, and should be a well written one at that. The current one is bloated with minutae and has interrupted flow. Why? -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 23:09, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Monkelese, this is a blatant revert of my attempt to condense and better organise the lede and address your concerns, despite my disagreement with them. Explanations are required:
Answers more elaborate than "parts of the lead was fine before" would be much appreciated. -- Ħ MIESIANIACAL 00:47, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
I don't see anything in the article about how he keeps hilself busy the whole day. What does he do productively? Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia ( talk) 22:24, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Does anyone prefer this pic or should the current lead pic remain? this was taken in 2013
Please decide...
The picture at 19:56, 4 October 2014 [5] is better and should be retained. Qexigator ( talk) 21:09, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
I've noticed that Queen Elizabeth II's religion is listed as "Anglicanism" while Charles's is listed as "Church of England". May I suggest consistency, the Queen's religion should be changed the "Church of England" considering it is the church over which she is the governor of? Thanks MarksmanH ( talk)
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The prince of Wales is no longer 66 years old. 130.43.180.25 ( talk) 07:12, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Under Prince Charles of Wales issue (children) it says Prince HENRY of Wales. It it supposed to be Prince HARRY of Wales. It goes to the correct page, but just thought I'd throw that out there because it may confuse people and I can't edit it myself. 208.184.221.161 ( talk) 19:21, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Say, isn't he a member of the House of Glücksburg.. rather than Windsor? That's his father's house. And correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you get sorted into your dad's house, not your mother's? Regardless of whether she reigns? As in, Queen Victoria being of the House of Hannover, but Edward VII being Saxe-Coburg and Gotha? -- Director ( talk) 20:40, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
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In today's world of 24-hour royal baby name news, it's hard to find any stupid thing particularly absurd. But November 1948 was a different time. During nameless Charles' hoopla, a reader from Chicago answered an Evening Times poll with such an unbelievably outlandish suggestion that it wound up back across the pond, via AP, where Ottawa Citizen readers shared a hearty "What will those crazy Yankees think up next?"
If you're sitting down with your monocle secured, get ready to hold on to your hat, because it's a doozie!
Is this still what we'd call notably ludicrous, or has that ship sailed? InedibleHulk (talk) 15:15, September 13, 2015 (UTC)
Am I the only one, who finds it strange that we can't describe his mother as Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom or Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdon and the other Commonwealth realms, in this article's intro? GoodDay ( talk) 21:43, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
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please change the house of Glücksburg inspite of an edict by the queen that he is a windsor,he would continue to hold the descent of the mentioned house of glücksburg. 14.96.37.118 ( talk) 06:38, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
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The article claims that Charles is alternatively known as the Duke of Cornwall in South West England, linking to the official region of that name. The SWE region officially includes Gloucestershire, Wiltshire, and other counties that are quite distant from Cornwall, and it seems to me quite unlikely that Charles would be called Duke of Cornwall there (rather than Prince of Wales). I would imagine "Duke of Cornwall" is only really used in Cornwall, and maybe in Devon. Are there any independent sources to back this claim up? 115.166.16.149 ( talk) 09:18, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
It strikes me as a bit peculiar to have the main image in the article be one where Prince Charles's chest hair is showing. It almost seems like it was done to poke fun at him. Aren't there any more suitable ones? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.166.16.149 ( talk) 09:12, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
How about this one? His appearance hasn't changed at all really since 2012 (and earlier), so I don't think that would be an issue. 115.166.16.149 ( talk) 09:22, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
He says that Prince Henery is his son not Harry — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:480C:4700:11F:A142:54A1:1977 ( talk) 17:45, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, was not titled as a prince when Charles was born. He renounced his "Prince of Greece and Denmark" title before he married Princess Elizabeth, and was not created a British Prince by his wife until many years after they were married. At least I try ( talk) 10:14, 3 August 2016 (UTC) At least I try ( talk) 10:14, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
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In the last line of the first paragraph, it states that Queen Anne died in 1714 at rhe age of 83 when infact she died at the age of 49. She was born in 1665 and died 1714. Devildog2227 ( talk) 19:33, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
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under "issue" his son's names read: Prince William, Duke of Cambridge Prince Henry of Wales
"Henry" here should be "Harry" and the hyperlink is broken Keeks010203 ( talk) 04:20, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
See this article. Is this a reliable source? If so, should we add "Prince of Transylvania" to the list of Charles's titles? Chessrat ( talk, contributions) 13:42, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
Since he technically holds the army-rank of field marshal, shouldn't we add British Army to the branch part of the infobox? - Jak525 ( talk) 21:10, Wednesday, April 19, 2017 (UTC)
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So this line in the first paragraph stuck out: "Known alternatively in South West England as Duke of Cornwall" Is this true in Somerset or Devon, or really just in Cornwall? It seems like a reactionary opposition to Cornish Nationalism to ascribe this opinion to the whole of the Southwest. Any thoughts? 73.11.81.111 ( talk) 06:12, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
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Why is there a resistance to describe Duke of Cornwall as a peerage in England, per Duke of Rothesay being described as a peerage in Scotland? I changed it from Cornwall to England & now somebody else changed it to South West England, what gives? GoodDay ( talk) 11:17, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
Is there any evidence that he is called the Duke of Cornwall outside of Cornwall? I did a quick news search and found nothing to suggest he is known as such in Devon:
I would be stunned if it is different in any adjacent counties. Ivar the Boneful ( talk) 12:45, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
I think it should be stated just that Cornwall and Rothesay are his subsidiary titles, rather than "known alternatively" because frankly that doesn't seem to be the case at all. Ivar the Boneful ( talk)
Wales is no longer a Principality. Please use the term country. Draig ap Dafydd ( talk) 15:01, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
I've deleted his Canadian military ranks from the infobox, on the assumption that he's got military ranks in other Commonwealth realms, besides the UK & Canada. If he does, then why 'highlight' Canada, at the expense of the 14 other non-UK commonwealth realms? GoodDay ( talk) 12:58, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
I think it's possible to address both these points in part by linking to a list elsewhere [12] rather than burdening the infobox with a long list. DrKay ( talk) 08:55, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
I think an argument could be made to restrict the allegiance and service sections to the British navy and air force, which are the only services in which he has served actively. DrKay ( talk) 09:02, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
I think Prince Charles is heir also to be head of state of a number of other countries and not just the British throne. Can someone more knowledgeable than me in this subject include the missing info? Thinker78 ( talk) 05:46, 20 November 2017 (UTC)