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And business startups? Didn't learn anything except his fathers name and his history. Nothing about the businesses.
Ottoman Empire: It was destroyed before he was born so please check if the Ottoman Army actually did try to conscript this man
This thing has been pointed out several times but nobody actually corrected the mistake. Helu is his second surname and virtually no one in Mexico calls him that way. The people who named the article are complete outsiders and ignorants (see the Spanish-language version). Nobody calls Carlos Fuentes "Carlos Fuentes Macias" or Frida Kahlo "Frida Kahlo Calderon" or Salma Hayek, "Salma Hayek Jimenez" or Alfonso Cuaron "Alfonso Cuaron Orozco", just to give well-known examples. It is true that there are people who WILLINGLY choose to be addressed under both (paternal and maternal) surnames ( Gabriel Garcia Marquez, Mario Vargas Llosa, Federico Garcia Lorca, Alejandro Gonzalez Inarritu...) and people who WILLINGLY use only their maternal surname ( Pablo Picasso, Diego Velázquez, Eduardo Galeano...) so the point here is to verify first the way people choose to be named or happen to be known instead of using arbitrary criteria.-- Scandza ( talk) 15:15, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
for a Mexican and Spanish person, it's a little disrespectful to take away his mother's last name, because it is like denying one's mother. If he uses Helú is his personal choice, and also distinguishes him from Carlos Slim Domit, his son. Salma Hayek is an actress and she is entitled to change her name to whatever she pleases, Rosa Perez or the like, because that's the Hollywood way. Mr. Slim is not a movie star. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.44.93.16 ( talk) 07:26, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
I removed the following sentence from section "world's richest person":
He has 2 sons: Christian Ani (last name was changed) and Sean Flowers ( from his hispanic mother). (sic)
Apart from being not appropriately placed (obviously should be in section family), the introduction speaks of three sons leading his "empire". Also, what was changed and what? --
Ben
T/
C 05:42, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
It is a good thing you removed that information because it was not correct. Slim has three sons not just two and those are not their names. Also all three sons have the same mother and she was not Hispanic either. Both of Slim's parents were Lebanese immigrants and his wife Souraya was, as he is, a Mexican national born of Lebanese parentage. So his sons are 100% Lebanese ethnicity. I was born in Mexico but my parents were immigrants from Japan; although Mexico is my home and I speak Spanish and not Japanese, I am not "Hispanic" and the same goes for Slim and his sons. 76.22.241.84 ( talk) 03:04, 3 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.22.241.84 ( talk) 03:03, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
I wonder if the H is his name is pronounced, since he's not of Spanish descent. 71.117.93.160 12:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
According to the latest Forbes 400, C.S. Helu and Bill Gates are tied at $59B. Read here. http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/54/richlist07_William-Gates-III_BH69.html
Someone should fix this. Animadictio 12:15, 1 October 2007 (UTC)AnimaDictio at animadictio@gmail.com
Now he has 51 billion dollars pleaase change your post. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.179.9.65 ( talk) 16:23, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
the first sentence should read:
"Carlos Slim Helú, born January 28, 1940 in Mexico City, is a Mexican businessman and one of the wealthiest men in the world as of October 14, 2007."
not:
"Carlos Slim Helú, born January 28, 1940 in Mexico City, is a Mexican businessman and one of the wealthiest man in the world as of October 14, 2007." 64.91.205.144 ( talk) 06:39, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
The first section of the Awards section should read:
"Slim has been awarded the Entrepreneurial Merit Medal of Honor from Mexico's Chamber of Commerce. He is a "gold patron" of the American Academy of Achievement,[8] and the Belgian government awarded him the Leopold II Commander Medal, CEO of the year in 2003 by Latin Trade business magazine and one year later CEO of the decade by the same magazine."
not:
"Slim has been awarded the Entrepreneurial Merit Medal of Honor from Mexico's Chamber of Commerce. He is a "gold patron" of the American Academy of Achievement,[8] and the Belgian government awarded him the Leopold II Commander Meda, CEO of the year in 2003 by Latin Trade business magazine and one year later CEO of the decade by the same magazine." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.39.105.141 ( talk) 17:24, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Looking at the history of this article, I can see that some editors have removed footnotes. Please don't do that unless the footnote doesn't actually back up the statement. It is OK to use the same reference multiple times in an article. In fact, if a particular reference backs up multiple statements in an article, then the reference should be reused. -- JHP ( talk) 05:11, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
why is this page listed in the Ottoman Dynasty category? Lee.shoe ( talk) 06:21, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Is it worth mentioning that he has ordered thousands of "One laptop per child" laptops for mexican children? -- 88.73.219.26 ( talk) 07:13, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I must say something i noticed.The stock prices that were used for the list are from 11th of february.OK.Arcelormittal close price for 11th of febr is 67.82 you can see that on the site.Also,another thing you can see is mittal family stake which is 43.04%=623620000 million shares.If you make a multiplication 623620000 x 67.82 thats equal to 42293908400 billion dollars...why Forbes says its 45? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.72.69.137 ( talk) 19:26, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I wish there was more information about this really... I mean, everyone knows the story of Warren Buffett and Gates but its like out of the blue some random Mexican guy suddenly becomes the second richest man in the world... how?
I just want more information on that.
When I typed in "World's Richest Man" on search, it redirected me to here. I think we should change it to redirect to Warren Buffet or List of Billionaires. At least, it shouldn't redirect here since Helu is not richest man anymore. Stevv ( talk) 20:35, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that his net worth is said to have increased as indicated by the green upward arrow yet the article states that his net worth is now 60 billion down from 68 billion a year ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.49.43.6 ( talk) 18:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
You should remove and avoid mentioning his mother's maiden name "Helu" as if it were his surname. In many Latin American countries, a person is known by his/her name, surname and mother's maiden name. The comparison with the American usage is that the Americans use "name, middle name and surname (family name)". That's why many English speaking persons mistake the Mother's maiden name as if it were the surname or family name. Mr. Carlos Slim should be addressed as Mr. Slim, and NOT Mr. Helu. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.37.120.18 ( talk) 22:27, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
On a different but related matter, whence comes "Helú" anyway? The article says his mother's maiden name is Haddad (a good Lebanese name) and that he "officially became Julián Slim Haddad by adding Haddad, his mother's surname, according to the Spanish-language naming customs" (quoting directly from the "Biography" section). 69.115.13.5 ( talk) 14:50:21, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Haddad is Carlos grandmother's maiden name that belongs to his dad (Julian.) The section is not clear enough but if you re-read it you will see that this is true and that based on this logic Helú is his dad's WIFE'S maiden name. eGGz ( talk) 05:16, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
There were two mentions of CompUSA in the "Achievements" section of the article. Together, they seemed redundant. The un-cited one implied that CompUSA still exists. I removed that one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.200.171.125 ( talk) 05:29, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Julián established a dry goods store called La Estrella del Oriente (Star of the Orient) in 1911 and purchased...
If he was born in 1940, how did he establish a store in 1911? Can someone verify the correct year? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Azmurath ( talk • contribs) 03:25, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Carlos Salinas de Gortari (Ex-president of Mexico)is behind all of this, best friend and business partner of Mr.Carlos Slim Helu TELMEX was a successful government company in Mexico, but once Salinas was running Mexico like a President, one of his wonderful ideas was sell this government company to his best friend Mr. Slim to make it 100% private company, after that, Slim became in one of the most richest guys in the entire world, and is important to say the next, in Mexico if you don't have a contract or agreement to get telecommunication services with TELMEX you will be uncommunicated, and just for the monopoly, yeah... you can't get telecommunication services with other company because other company doesn't even exist, the only choice is TELMEX, and if you've got phone service in Mexico is just with TELMEX, and is the only one telecommunication services provider in the entire Mexican nation. And you know why *CURRUPTION*and*MONOPOLY* Imagine if you and your buddies running a company to supply in your country whatever and the government helps you to shutdown all the competitors to make you the only one provider in the entire nation. What do you think going to happen, you wont be rich, you will be trillionare, right. That's what it was with Mr. Slim and Mr. Salinas. Mr. Slim is one of the richest guys in the world and owns TELMEX the only one provider of telecommunication services in the Mexican nation and he is so grateful and thankful to have a his best friend as a business partner Mr.Carlos Salinas. TELMEX was sold just for a few pesos in the 90's, approved by Mr. Salinas who was the president in that time. TELMEX is a multimillionaire company. When TELMEX was operated and owned by the Mexican government the profit were designated to strength the Mexican economy. Now then, Mr. Salinas and Mr. Slim are living la vida loca, joining the pleasures of their empire made it against the rights of all the mexican —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.124.223 ( talk) 07:59, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
I will remove madcow footnote since corruption and owning Telmex is enough information to explain his fortune. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kangeloux ( talk • contribs) 22:44, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Where in the manual of style does it say not to mention a person's origin? His parents are both Lebanese and his wife is Lebanese, so how Mexican is he really? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.180.106 ( talk) 03:41, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Wasn't his father an Assyrian who fled Mardin in Turkey to Lebanon? Is he Maronite or syriac-orthodox? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MichoOthuroyo ( talk • contribs) 15:07, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I guess people get paid for that but lets just delete it for the sake of truth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.189.220.32 ( talk) 12:56, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Having your wealth come from a parasitic government-sanctioned monopoly that sucks the wealth from a captive market does disqualify one from “loving men". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.189.241.105 ( talk) 09:32, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Using the definition above, pretty much every single person on Wikipedia should be describes as a philantropist. Who hasn't, after all, given away money, goods, services or time? Looking at the numbers here, it seems even I myself is a bigger philantropist than Slim, donating a larger percentage of my money than him. Calling him a philantropist is like listing Obama as "president and basket ball player". Yes, he does on occasion play some basket ball, but no, that's not an accurate desription of the man nor what he does.
It really reads like something his PR people put in there, and that's quite possibly what happend. Of all the things Slim can be desribes as to some degree or another, philantropist does NOT warrant a mention in the first paragraph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.213.72.41 ( talk) 14:11, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
He violently reduced a whole town to rubble with the purpose of building an open-sky mine and make himself richer. Definitively NOT a philanthropist. If you read Spanish you can read about it here: http://www.vanguardia.com.mx/articulo/la-historia-de-como-carlos-slim-hundio-un-pueblo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.106.111.98 ( talk) 06:04, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
There should be a section on his personal life. There are reports that he is dating Princess Nour of Jordan. Пипумбрик ( talk) 03:32, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
The 50% of Mexico lives under poverty is poorly sourced- please see this http://hdr.undp.org/en/media/HDI_2008_EN_Tables.pdf on page 33, its 4.8%, if you can prove otherwise I will have to delete some of the data, same goes for GDP per Capita, we both know its higher. My info is from the Human Develpment indices developed by United Nations, where yours is from Business Week. Jesusmariajalisco (talk) 20:20, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
I've already found a better source, so the 50% figure has been changed to the United nations world bank figure of 17%. Jesusmariajalisco ( talk) 18:47, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
But you are using the $2 or less a day from Business week which is 4.8, 17.6% do live under poverty, so we can use that one as well. How would you suggest we word the section? Jesusmariajalisco ( talk) 20:47, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the update Likeminas Jesusmariajalisco ( talk) 22:57, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
This article is getting vandalized. Please lock it if the vandalism continues. Thanks. 174.16.163.180 ( talk) 05:14, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
I wouldn't set the locking expiration date. This will get vandalized no matter what. Lock this indefinitely. There aren't a lot of new info to be added here. Also the lock box on the top i think is not needed. 174.16.189.135 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:53, 11 March 2010 (UTC).
Locking this forever is absurd and against wikipedia philosophy. This locked version is in no way the eternal truth. For example, a good argument is made that listing Slim as a philantropist in the first paragraph is - if not wrong by strict definition - misleading, suspect and that at the very least it is not worthy of such an early mention. The criticism section is curiously short, and about a third of it simply describes Slim's own feelings about criticisms and the growth of his own wealth. He gets the last word even in this section, so to say. Not an article to be poud of, this. -- 80.213.72.41 ( talk) 14:22, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
I am not entirely sure that using the article's website for citations fits reliable sources. He should be receiving lots of reliable third-party neutral sources now because of today's announcement. -- Morenooso ( talk) 06:35, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
How can she have been born in 1967, is their son Carlos was born in 1966? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.44.93.16 ( talk) 07:20, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
In the personal wealth section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.44.93.16 ( talk) 07:22, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
In 2010 he became the "World's wealthiest man alive." And that push Bill Gates back one step along with many toher billionaires. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.75.80.133 ( talk) 02:28, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
What about the quote?
A clear contradiction... 173.168.177.217 ( talk) 01:40, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
The point the person is making is how could it be current news that
when the article clearly states that
If he is the current (March 13, 2010) richest man in the world (according to Forbes), then he is the richest non-American to do so since August8, 2007, the last time he (a non-American) topped the list. Certainly a clear contradiction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.120.195.191 ( talk) 10:28, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
It seems to me that he was born in Mexico and is a Mexican citizen. That makes him Mexican, not Lebanese. Lebanese is a nationality and not an ethnicity. Cillmore ( talk) 15:08, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
I move for deletion of
According to Professor Celso Garrido, an economist at the Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México, Slim's domination of his country's conglomerates chokes off growth of smaller companies, resulting in a shortage of good jobs and driving many Mexicans to seek better lives north of the Rio Grande.
reasons: 1) Celso Garrido is UNKNOWN. 2) One sentence parragraph 3) No citattions. 4) Obviously monopoly curtails growth regardless of Celso's opinion. 5) Not every company owned by Slim is a monopoly. 6) Telephone hard lines are a natural monopoly (so there is no way out). 7) Probably written by Celso Garrido. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.70.20.97 ( talk) 18:16, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
The info bar on the right hand side says his estimated net worth is 74 billion. What is the source for this? I've never seen his net worth estimated quite that high before and I am wondering where that figure came from. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.228.202.171 ( talk) 23:37, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
It seems the hatnotes about his name (Spanish name Slim Helu, Arabic name Salim) could be incorporated into the article. - 98.210.150.163 ( talk) 03:46, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
I have reverted some edits attempting, somewhat awkwardly, to introduce the fact of Lebanese ethnicity into the main body of the article. Just for clarification, as promised in my edit summary:
Given that Slim is nearly always referred to as a Mexican & he has defined himself as such, it would constitute undue weight to introduce yet more references to his ethnicity. His ethnicity is, in fact, not a matter of great importance to most people (although it seems to be for some at the moment, perhaps being people from the Lebanon who have heard of him after the recent Forbes announcement). Does anyone disagree massively with this? - Sitush ( talk) 22:32, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I think you are to some degree correct and there is not need for link to Lebanon or Lebanese people. But I think it is a good idea to leave it as it was before my edit. "is a Mexican business magnate of Lebanese ethnicity" ot simply "is a Mexican- Lebanese business magnate" in order not to break the sentence as you mentioned previously. The reason is that even though he is seen as Mexican, in reality he is Lebanese from his father and also mother side. "his father, Julián Slim Haddad, emigrated from Lebanon to Mexico" and "Carlos' mother, Linda Helú, was born in Parral, Chihuahua, Mexico to Lebanese immigrants." Because of all these I think the best way is ""is a Mexican- Lebanese business magnate".
22:42, 11 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gsfhsahopenclerk ( talk • contribs)
Thanks that you welcome me in the new world of Wikipedia as a new user. I found one very important information information. Just see the quote taken from his own website http://www.carlosslim.com/reconocimiento_beirut_ing.html "March 14: Mr. Slim went to Jezzine, south Lebanon, his parents’ birth place, and visited their home."
It means that not only his father is Lebanese born but also his mother is Lebanese born. Both of them born in the city of Jezzine.
Moreover this next quote and also photos show that he is publicly recognizing his present connection with Lebanon. "The President of Lebanon, Mr. Michel Sleiman, did honor Mr. Carlos Slim by awarding him the Lebanese Gold Order to Merit, while the Jezzine Municipal Government did name him Honorific Citizen. Beirut, Lebanon, March 12, 2010. Mr. Carlos Slim has been honored by the government of Lebanon by awarding him the Lebanese Gold Order to Merit in Beirut, where he recently stood to meet several public functionaries. The President of Lebanon, Mr. Michel Sleiman, did praise Mr. Slim entrepreneurial career and did thank him by honoring Lebanon’s name in the whole world. "
One more quote from http://www.carlosslim.com/reconocimiento_libano_ing.html "Our Mexican-Lebanese community has particularly enjoyed, many times, his significant contribution in charity and humanitarian projects." Therefore he see himself as a member of the Mexican-Lebanese or Lebanese-Mexican community in Mexico.
Moreover, this quote shows that he is involved in some charity activities in Lebanon. "When the destructive and bloody war of Israel against Lebanon on the summer of 2006, Don Carlos demonstrated his great worry and consideration for the situation and urgently and efficiently offered all the possible humanitarian help to the needy victims in Lebanon.
In the former school year, thousands of Lebanese students, received from the Carlos Slim Foundation, hundreds of computers at their public schools in towns of different regions of Lebanon."
And not on the last place he included his family origin in his official website http://www.carlosslim.com/biografia_ing.html
In conclusion, I think he considers himself to be Lebanese-Mexican. Therefore we have to keep it this way and if you can to stop to be vandalized his Wikipedia page.
Gsfhsahopenclerk ( talk) 00:29, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
To be a Lebanese-Mexican you do not need dual nationality. Do you thing that all Italian-Americans are Italian and American citizens? But they are called Italian-Americans because they have Italian family/ethnic background. And moreover, all of the information comes from Carlos Slim's own website and therefore it is the most reliable source possible. Gsfhsahopenclerk ( talk) 00:54, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
":But [2] here it says his mother was born in Mexico. I already have doubts about the over-reliance on his self-published biography, and now we have a proof that it is not great." That is looking really strange. Then it seems that even he does not know where his mother was born ;)
"I'm still not happy about describing him as Lebanese-Mexican." It is simple just think about the example I gave you. Not every Italian-American, Italian-Canadian, Italian-Australian, Italian-Brazilian or Italian-Argentine has a dual citizenship. It is simply based on ethnicity/family background.
Gsfhsahopenclerk ( talk) 01:12, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
First up, I'm not particularly knowledgeable about religious terminology. I am aware that the phrase "Maronite Christian" had been a static entry in this article's infobox for quite some time but recent edits have seen it changed back and forth between that & "Maronite Catholic".
Reading the Maronite article, and risking falling foul of using a circular reference, it is clear that the Maronites are some sort of branch of the Catholic faith. However, learned articles favour the term "Maronite Christian" by quite a margin, and until this recent spat it was the only term I'd heard of myself (not that the latter means much, I guess). Using Google Scholar - Catholic (276 hits), Christian (1,060 hits). A straight Google search, which of course includes a lot of dupes/drill downs etc, paints a different picture.
Personally, I'd rather take the academic line on this because the academic community usually have a good reason for using a certain terminology and tend to reach their own consensus regarding it, whereas the popular line often does tend to be swayed by POV etc. However, I would appreciate input from other contributors. Neither term really "breaks" the article, unless Slim himself prefers one or the other ... and, oddly enough, I'm pretty sure that I have seen more interviews with him which use the "Christian" version, so I'll do some digging on this. Thanks. - Sitush ( talk) 02:14, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Yet another bout of edit warring on this article has resulted in the page being protected for a while, which is something I predicted might be necessary a few weeks ago. In an attempt to move things forward can I propose that:
Carlos is a Mexian with Syriac/Aramaic ethnic, beccause the Maronits are a Syriacs from the Syriac Church who was splitted before long ago. Its time that all this Maronits to say we are indeed Arameans in the roots and in the blood! Dont forget it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.238.193.121 ( talk) 19:10, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Why is the religion of Slim's parents relevant here? Furthermore, do we know his mother's religion? There have been some edits today that have, frankly, made a bit of a mess of things, well intentioned although they may have been. Some of the phrasing is now extremely clumsy. - Sitush ( talk) 16:35, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
I hope there isn't a problem. The religion of the mother is in the cites, both 4 and 5, which you deleted and then I restored (after you had requested a cite to the parents' religion when you had deleted that information earlier, which was promptly provided within hours). The religion of his parents is relevant as it narrows his family's cultural heritage. For those of Lebanese descent such information is extremely important due to the country's rich cultural and religious heritage and various ancestries. Please explain more clearly the problem, as everything is verifiable, relevant and informative? I'm open to hearing what other editors have to say about this so it's just not a one-sided thing as these edits the past few hours have been, but it seems a pretty uncontroversial point! If the wording is clumsy, feel free to change it, but it doesn't make sense to delete information cited from both the Times of London and Time Magazine, both obviously reputable sources that found such information relevant to their readers. I don't want to dominate the discussion, so that's it for me :) But please let's reach some consensus before reverting again and deleting cites if that is okay. Sincerely, Otherperson2011 (talk) 16:36, 17 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Otherperson2011 ( talk • contribs)
I don't see any of that discussion here "time and again" on the talk page. Can you direct me to it?
I don't want to get into a drawn out discussion as your tone is a bit unsettling but my last response is that; I didn't do anything about his religion, that has not been verified in any source I have read and listing that in such a situation would obviously be problematic for a biography of a living person. I made no changes for that, which I assume you had addressed earlier in your edits. His parents' religions, though, have been verified by a number of sources. I listed both Times (London) because it references the mother's religion as well "born of Lebanese Christian parents" and Time Magazine because it lists the specific rite of the father (Maronite Christian) because you had deleted the references and a previous cite for not clearly stating the religion of either. If we want to nitpick as to whether the mother is in fact Maronite Christian, that is one thing and that is something that can be edited to be more clear or we can try to see what other sources say about that. But to claim that the parents' religions are irrelevant can only be made by someone who knows nothing about Mexico, Lebanon, the Arab world or best practices in Wikipedia biographies of living persons. But I would to hear what other editors have to say so this does not become a one-sided thing. I have no right to dominate the discussion, just as you, so perhaps we should stick to what is verifiable and best practices in the rest of Wikipedia until other editors chime in. Have a good day :) Sincerely, Otherperson2011 (talk) 16:49, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Otherperson2011" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Otherperson2011 ( talk • contribs) 16:51, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
send me a buisness of him — Preceding unsigned comment added by A304796096 ( talk • contribs) 02:54, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Keen to learn Laiminm ( talk) 13:40, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
Should the name "Slim" be pronounced /es'lin/ - with a final en rather than em, according to Spanish phonology which does not allow a final em? TomS TDotO ( talk) 16:53, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
You might want to get your Spanish expert to check this entry over. I think you will find that "jeripollas" is probably not what you thought it was, whatever that might have been. That word does not appear in the Spanish version of the entry for Slim; the Spanish entry is quite a bit different. MaxwellPerkins ( talk) 01:35, 17 June 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MaxwellPerkins ( talk • contribs) 01:31, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
What in the world is this doing in the article? "World's Richest Man" is an estimate given by Forbes magazine or other commercial ventures. It doesn't "honor" anything. MaxwellPerkins ( talk) 01:57, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
An honorary title is granted by some body with competence and authority, usually in recognition of service or merit. The Honorary Consul for Finland in Nicaragua, for instance, might be granted to a person who has shown interest in Finnish affairs while living in Nicaragua or to a Finnish citizen living in Nicaragua who could represent Finland on ceremonial occasions. While getting rich is an achievement or an accomplishment, we usually don't associate civic merit with it, nor service, unless it's in service of Mammon. MaxwellPerkins ( talk) 22:46, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
All you have to do is go to Forbes and Slim is above Gates. That sentence about Gates should be removed from the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stubborn Myth ( talk • contribs) 17:48, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
2601:6:6F00:538:19E1:8481:3E48:9F70, I think the term monopolist should be carved out + sourced in the body of the page rather than merely dropped with 3 old bare links in the top line. I am not against the suggestion, but to me it smells a little lazy / and attention-seeking. Complete the sources via the dropdown menu ( with dates titles, you know?) discuss them in the body - Lede should leave without references, as lede follows body.-- Wuerzele ( talk) 03:20, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Footnotes 39 and 51 are broken. The correct links for the original pages are: Footnote 39, For general criticism of the Telecom monopoly: http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/hdrp_2010_09.pdf
Footnote 51, how much Slim owns of the telecom company: http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/stories/2007-03-04/slims-big-giveaway I could not see any way to edit it, so am adding it here. 89.240.242.168 ( talk) 07:01, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
Is it possible to automatically change the net worth to whatever it says here http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/list/#version:realtime or can it only be done manually -- 88.111.129.157 ( talk) 19:59, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
I made some bold edits to fix what I think are some real problems with the article. I also added some issue templates. I still think there are tons of peacock statements left. A good chunk of this article reads like a press release promoting him, not an encyclopedia. Also his business career section really should be trimmed down. Transactions details for all of those acquisitions really aren't necessary. Handpolk ( talk) 13:40, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Well while you are at it you might check the claims of his contacts with Jebb Bush for Barkleys& Perhaps Lehmans, before and after the2008 crash ~ and did he loose money by that? VIZ:- Jeb Bush's Big Lehman Brothers Problem ~ Charles Gasparino, The Daily Beast ~ Gasparino writes: "If Jeb won't tell you what Jeb exactly did while working on Wall Street, in the interests of transparency and disclosure, I will try."
A spokeswoman for Bush declined to provide specifics about his work for the banks other than point to various media accounts, including those by this reporter. But Bush, according to people with direct knowledge of his activities, helped the firm look for business from well-heeled clients, including everyone from hedge funds to billionaire investors like Carlos Slim Helu, the Mexican business magnate widely regarded as the world’s richest man.-- 113.187.0.226 ( talk) 06:01, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
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<outdent>You appear to be advocating some sort of opposition between Donald Trump presidential campaign, 2016 and this article, based on your BLP comments on that talkpage. They're both billionaires, one assertion is false so the other must be true, etc. It looks a lot like you're trying to make a point. Acroterion (talk) 03:21, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Some say so.
Saw he has 17% of the foundation that runs it - is that a bigger interest than anyone else's? Also, how and why did he get a stake in the USA's biggest paper? 86.148.53.121 ( talk) 23:46, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
No, I don't think anyone is alleging that the benevolent Mr. Slim directly runs a Cartel, it would seem that as the most powerful man in Mexico, he is a sort of boss of bosses.
I think this should be included in the criticism section, as it has been reported in multiple major media outlets and is sourced from emails exchanged between Stratfor employees and a DEA agent.
Burton then asks DEA Special Agent William F. Dionne the question:
"Billy, is the MX billionaire Carlos Slim linked to the narcos?"
Dionne replies, "Regarding your question, the MX telecommunication billionaire is."
"Many people have assumed for a long time that he is somehow connected, but he has done a pretty good job of covering the tracks."— Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.220.168.91 ( talk • contribs)
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Modern magnates do business, investing and philantrophy. If I'm not mistaken, telecoms has been a focal industry for Mr Slim. Hence I'm proposing that we would change ❝Mexican business magnate, investor, and philanthropist❞ into “Mexican telecoms magnate”. Article descriptions need to be CONCISE. ToniTurunen ( talk) 12:42, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
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And business startups? Didn't learn anything except his fathers name and his history. Nothing about the businesses.
Ottoman Empire: It was destroyed before he was born so please check if the Ottoman Army actually did try to conscript this man
This thing has been pointed out several times but nobody actually corrected the mistake. Helu is his second surname and virtually no one in Mexico calls him that way. The people who named the article are complete outsiders and ignorants (see the Spanish-language version). Nobody calls Carlos Fuentes "Carlos Fuentes Macias" or Frida Kahlo "Frida Kahlo Calderon" or Salma Hayek, "Salma Hayek Jimenez" or Alfonso Cuaron "Alfonso Cuaron Orozco", just to give well-known examples. It is true that there are people who WILLINGLY choose to be addressed under both (paternal and maternal) surnames ( Gabriel Garcia Marquez, Mario Vargas Llosa, Federico Garcia Lorca, Alejandro Gonzalez Inarritu...) and people who WILLINGLY use only their maternal surname ( Pablo Picasso, Diego Velázquez, Eduardo Galeano...) so the point here is to verify first the way people choose to be named or happen to be known instead of using arbitrary criteria.-- Scandza ( talk) 15:15, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
for a Mexican and Spanish person, it's a little disrespectful to take away his mother's last name, because it is like denying one's mother. If he uses Helú is his personal choice, and also distinguishes him from Carlos Slim Domit, his son. Salma Hayek is an actress and she is entitled to change her name to whatever she pleases, Rosa Perez or the like, because that's the Hollywood way. Mr. Slim is not a movie star. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.44.93.16 ( talk) 07:26, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
I removed the following sentence from section "world's richest person":
He has 2 sons: Christian Ani (last name was changed) and Sean Flowers ( from his hispanic mother). (sic)
Apart from being not appropriately placed (obviously should be in section family), the introduction speaks of three sons leading his "empire". Also, what was changed and what? --
Ben
T/
C 05:42, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
It is a good thing you removed that information because it was not correct. Slim has three sons not just two and those are not their names. Also all three sons have the same mother and she was not Hispanic either. Both of Slim's parents were Lebanese immigrants and his wife Souraya was, as he is, a Mexican national born of Lebanese parentage. So his sons are 100% Lebanese ethnicity. I was born in Mexico but my parents were immigrants from Japan; although Mexico is my home and I speak Spanish and not Japanese, I am not "Hispanic" and the same goes for Slim and his sons. 76.22.241.84 ( talk) 03:04, 3 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.22.241.84 ( talk) 03:03, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
I wonder if the H is his name is pronounced, since he's not of Spanish descent. 71.117.93.160 12:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
According to the latest Forbes 400, C.S. Helu and Bill Gates are tied at $59B. Read here. http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/54/richlist07_William-Gates-III_BH69.html
Someone should fix this. Animadictio 12:15, 1 October 2007 (UTC)AnimaDictio at animadictio@gmail.com
Now he has 51 billion dollars pleaase change your post. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.179.9.65 ( talk) 16:23, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
the first sentence should read:
"Carlos Slim Helú, born January 28, 1940 in Mexico City, is a Mexican businessman and one of the wealthiest men in the world as of October 14, 2007."
not:
"Carlos Slim Helú, born January 28, 1940 in Mexico City, is a Mexican businessman and one of the wealthiest man in the world as of October 14, 2007." 64.91.205.144 ( talk) 06:39, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
The first section of the Awards section should read:
"Slim has been awarded the Entrepreneurial Merit Medal of Honor from Mexico's Chamber of Commerce. He is a "gold patron" of the American Academy of Achievement,[8] and the Belgian government awarded him the Leopold II Commander Medal, CEO of the year in 2003 by Latin Trade business magazine and one year later CEO of the decade by the same magazine."
not:
"Slim has been awarded the Entrepreneurial Merit Medal of Honor from Mexico's Chamber of Commerce. He is a "gold patron" of the American Academy of Achievement,[8] and the Belgian government awarded him the Leopold II Commander Meda, CEO of the year in 2003 by Latin Trade business magazine and one year later CEO of the decade by the same magazine." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.39.105.141 ( talk) 17:24, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Looking at the history of this article, I can see that some editors have removed footnotes. Please don't do that unless the footnote doesn't actually back up the statement. It is OK to use the same reference multiple times in an article. In fact, if a particular reference backs up multiple statements in an article, then the reference should be reused. -- JHP ( talk) 05:11, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
why is this page listed in the Ottoman Dynasty category? Lee.shoe ( talk) 06:21, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Is it worth mentioning that he has ordered thousands of "One laptop per child" laptops for mexican children? -- 88.73.219.26 ( talk) 07:13, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I must say something i noticed.The stock prices that were used for the list are from 11th of february.OK.Arcelormittal close price for 11th of febr is 67.82 you can see that on the site.Also,another thing you can see is mittal family stake which is 43.04%=623620000 million shares.If you make a multiplication 623620000 x 67.82 thats equal to 42293908400 billion dollars...why Forbes says its 45? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.72.69.137 ( talk) 19:26, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I wish there was more information about this really... I mean, everyone knows the story of Warren Buffett and Gates but its like out of the blue some random Mexican guy suddenly becomes the second richest man in the world... how?
I just want more information on that.
When I typed in "World's Richest Man" on search, it redirected me to here. I think we should change it to redirect to Warren Buffet or List of Billionaires. At least, it shouldn't redirect here since Helu is not richest man anymore. Stevv ( talk) 20:35, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that his net worth is said to have increased as indicated by the green upward arrow yet the article states that his net worth is now 60 billion down from 68 billion a year ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.49.43.6 ( talk) 18:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
You should remove and avoid mentioning his mother's maiden name "Helu" as if it were his surname. In many Latin American countries, a person is known by his/her name, surname and mother's maiden name. The comparison with the American usage is that the Americans use "name, middle name and surname (family name)". That's why many English speaking persons mistake the Mother's maiden name as if it were the surname or family name. Mr. Carlos Slim should be addressed as Mr. Slim, and NOT Mr. Helu. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.37.120.18 ( talk) 22:27, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
On a different but related matter, whence comes "Helú" anyway? The article says his mother's maiden name is Haddad (a good Lebanese name) and that he "officially became Julián Slim Haddad by adding Haddad, his mother's surname, according to the Spanish-language naming customs" (quoting directly from the "Biography" section). 69.115.13.5 ( talk) 14:50:21, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Haddad is Carlos grandmother's maiden name that belongs to his dad (Julian.) The section is not clear enough but if you re-read it you will see that this is true and that based on this logic Helú is his dad's WIFE'S maiden name. eGGz ( talk) 05:16, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
There were two mentions of CompUSA in the "Achievements" section of the article. Together, they seemed redundant. The un-cited one implied that CompUSA still exists. I removed that one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.200.171.125 ( talk) 05:29, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Julián established a dry goods store called La Estrella del Oriente (Star of the Orient) in 1911 and purchased...
If he was born in 1940, how did he establish a store in 1911? Can someone verify the correct year? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Azmurath ( talk • contribs) 03:25, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Carlos Salinas de Gortari (Ex-president of Mexico)is behind all of this, best friend and business partner of Mr.Carlos Slim Helu TELMEX was a successful government company in Mexico, but once Salinas was running Mexico like a President, one of his wonderful ideas was sell this government company to his best friend Mr. Slim to make it 100% private company, after that, Slim became in one of the most richest guys in the entire world, and is important to say the next, in Mexico if you don't have a contract or agreement to get telecommunication services with TELMEX you will be uncommunicated, and just for the monopoly, yeah... you can't get telecommunication services with other company because other company doesn't even exist, the only choice is TELMEX, and if you've got phone service in Mexico is just with TELMEX, and is the only one telecommunication services provider in the entire Mexican nation. And you know why *CURRUPTION*and*MONOPOLY* Imagine if you and your buddies running a company to supply in your country whatever and the government helps you to shutdown all the competitors to make you the only one provider in the entire nation. What do you think going to happen, you wont be rich, you will be trillionare, right. That's what it was with Mr. Slim and Mr. Salinas. Mr. Slim is one of the richest guys in the world and owns TELMEX the only one provider of telecommunication services in the Mexican nation and he is so grateful and thankful to have a his best friend as a business partner Mr.Carlos Salinas. TELMEX was sold just for a few pesos in the 90's, approved by Mr. Salinas who was the president in that time. TELMEX is a multimillionaire company. When TELMEX was operated and owned by the Mexican government the profit were designated to strength the Mexican economy. Now then, Mr. Salinas and Mr. Slim are living la vida loca, joining the pleasures of their empire made it against the rights of all the mexican —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.124.223 ( talk) 07:59, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
I will remove madcow footnote since corruption and owning Telmex is enough information to explain his fortune. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kangeloux ( talk • contribs) 22:44, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Where in the manual of style does it say not to mention a person's origin? His parents are both Lebanese and his wife is Lebanese, so how Mexican is he really? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.180.106 ( talk) 03:41, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Wasn't his father an Assyrian who fled Mardin in Turkey to Lebanon? Is he Maronite or syriac-orthodox? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MichoOthuroyo ( talk • contribs) 15:07, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I guess people get paid for that but lets just delete it for the sake of truth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.189.220.32 ( talk) 12:56, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Having your wealth come from a parasitic government-sanctioned monopoly that sucks the wealth from a captive market does disqualify one from “loving men". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.189.241.105 ( talk) 09:32, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Using the definition above, pretty much every single person on Wikipedia should be describes as a philantropist. Who hasn't, after all, given away money, goods, services or time? Looking at the numbers here, it seems even I myself is a bigger philantropist than Slim, donating a larger percentage of my money than him. Calling him a philantropist is like listing Obama as "president and basket ball player". Yes, he does on occasion play some basket ball, but no, that's not an accurate desription of the man nor what he does.
It really reads like something his PR people put in there, and that's quite possibly what happend. Of all the things Slim can be desribes as to some degree or another, philantropist does NOT warrant a mention in the first paragraph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.213.72.41 ( talk) 14:11, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
He violently reduced a whole town to rubble with the purpose of building an open-sky mine and make himself richer. Definitively NOT a philanthropist. If you read Spanish you can read about it here: http://www.vanguardia.com.mx/articulo/la-historia-de-como-carlos-slim-hundio-un-pueblo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.106.111.98 ( talk) 06:04, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
There should be a section on his personal life. There are reports that he is dating Princess Nour of Jordan. Пипумбрик ( talk) 03:32, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
The 50% of Mexico lives under poverty is poorly sourced- please see this http://hdr.undp.org/en/media/HDI_2008_EN_Tables.pdf on page 33, its 4.8%, if you can prove otherwise I will have to delete some of the data, same goes for GDP per Capita, we both know its higher. My info is from the Human Develpment indices developed by United Nations, where yours is from Business Week. Jesusmariajalisco (talk) 20:20, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
I've already found a better source, so the 50% figure has been changed to the United nations world bank figure of 17%. Jesusmariajalisco ( talk) 18:47, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
But you are using the $2 or less a day from Business week which is 4.8, 17.6% do live under poverty, so we can use that one as well. How would you suggest we word the section? Jesusmariajalisco ( talk) 20:47, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the update Likeminas Jesusmariajalisco ( talk) 22:57, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
This article is getting vandalized. Please lock it if the vandalism continues. Thanks. 174.16.163.180 ( talk) 05:14, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
I wouldn't set the locking expiration date. This will get vandalized no matter what. Lock this indefinitely. There aren't a lot of new info to be added here. Also the lock box on the top i think is not needed. 174.16.189.135 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:53, 11 March 2010 (UTC).
Locking this forever is absurd and against wikipedia philosophy. This locked version is in no way the eternal truth. For example, a good argument is made that listing Slim as a philantropist in the first paragraph is - if not wrong by strict definition - misleading, suspect and that at the very least it is not worthy of such an early mention. The criticism section is curiously short, and about a third of it simply describes Slim's own feelings about criticisms and the growth of his own wealth. He gets the last word even in this section, so to say. Not an article to be poud of, this. -- 80.213.72.41 ( talk) 14:22, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
I am not entirely sure that using the article's website for citations fits reliable sources. He should be receiving lots of reliable third-party neutral sources now because of today's announcement. -- Morenooso ( talk) 06:35, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
How can she have been born in 1967, is their son Carlos was born in 1966? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.44.93.16 ( talk) 07:20, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
In the personal wealth section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.44.93.16 ( talk) 07:22, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
In 2010 he became the "World's wealthiest man alive." And that push Bill Gates back one step along with many toher billionaires. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.75.80.133 ( talk) 02:28, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
What about the quote?
A clear contradiction... 173.168.177.217 ( talk) 01:40, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
The point the person is making is how could it be current news that
when the article clearly states that
If he is the current (March 13, 2010) richest man in the world (according to Forbes), then he is the richest non-American to do so since August8, 2007, the last time he (a non-American) topped the list. Certainly a clear contradiction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.120.195.191 ( talk) 10:28, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
It seems to me that he was born in Mexico and is a Mexican citizen. That makes him Mexican, not Lebanese. Lebanese is a nationality and not an ethnicity. Cillmore ( talk) 15:08, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
I move for deletion of
According to Professor Celso Garrido, an economist at the Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México, Slim's domination of his country's conglomerates chokes off growth of smaller companies, resulting in a shortage of good jobs and driving many Mexicans to seek better lives north of the Rio Grande.
reasons: 1) Celso Garrido is UNKNOWN. 2) One sentence parragraph 3) No citattions. 4) Obviously monopoly curtails growth regardless of Celso's opinion. 5) Not every company owned by Slim is a monopoly. 6) Telephone hard lines are a natural monopoly (so there is no way out). 7) Probably written by Celso Garrido. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.70.20.97 ( talk) 18:16, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
The info bar on the right hand side says his estimated net worth is 74 billion. What is the source for this? I've never seen his net worth estimated quite that high before and I am wondering where that figure came from. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.228.202.171 ( talk) 23:37, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
It seems the hatnotes about his name (Spanish name Slim Helu, Arabic name Salim) could be incorporated into the article. - 98.210.150.163 ( talk) 03:46, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
I have reverted some edits attempting, somewhat awkwardly, to introduce the fact of Lebanese ethnicity into the main body of the article. Just for clarification, as promised in my edit summary:
Given that Slim is nearly always referred to as a Mexican & he has defined himself as such, it would constitute undue weight to introduce yet more references to his ethnicity. His ethnicity is, in fact, not a matter of great importance to most people (although it seems to be for some at the moment, perhaps being people from the Lebanon who have heard of him after the recent Forbes announcement). Does anyone disagree massively with this? - Sitush ( talk) 22:32, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I think you are to some degree correct and there is not need for link to Lebanon or Lebanese people. But I think it is a good idea to leave it as it was before my edit. "is a Mexican business magnate of Lebanese ethnicity" ot simply "is a Mexican- Lebanese business magnate" in order not to break the sentence as you mentioned previously. The reason is that even though he is seen as Mexican, in reality he is Lebanese from his father and also mother side. "his father, Julián Slim Haddad, emigrated from Lebanon to Mexico" and "Carlos' mother, Linda Helú, was born in Parral, Chihuahua, Mexico to Lebanese immigrants." Because of all these I think the best way is ""is a Mexican- Lebanese business magnate".
22:42, 11 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gsfhsahopenclerk ( talk • contribs)
Thanks that you welcome me in the new world of Wikipedia as a new user. I found one very important information information. Just see the quote taken from his own website http://www.carlosslim.com/reconocimiento_beirut_ing.html "March 14: Mr. Slim went to Jezzine, south Lebanon, his parents’ birth place, and visited their home."
It means that not only his father is Lebanese born but also his mother is Lebanese born. Both of them born in the city of Jezzine.
Moreover this next quote and also photos show that he is publicly recognizing his present connection with Lebanon. "The President of Lebanon, Mr. Michel Sleiman, did honor Mr. Carlos Slim by awarding him the Lebanese Gold Order to Merit, while the Jezzine Municipal Government did name him Honorific Citizen. Beirut, Lebanon, March 12, 2010. Mr. Carlos Slim has been honored by the government of Lebanon by awarding him the Lebanese Gold Order to Merit in Beirut, where he recently stood to meet several public functionaries. The President of Lebanon, Mr. Michel Sleiman, did praise Mr. Slim entrepreneurial career and did thank him by honoring Lebanon’s name in the whole world. "
One more quote from http://www.carlosslim.com/reconocimiento_libano_ing.html "Our Mexican-Lebanese community has particularly enjoyed, many times, his significant contribution in charity and humanitarian projects." Therefore he see himself as a member of the Mexican-Lebanese or Lebanese-Mexican community in Mexico.
Moreover, this quote shows that he is involved in some charity activities in Lebanon. "When the destructive and bloody war of Israel against Lebanon on the summer of 2006, Don Carlos demonstrated his great worry and consideration for the situation and urgently and efficiently offered all the possible humanitarian help to the needy victims in Lebanon.
In the former school year, thousands of Lebanese students, received from the Carlos Slim Foundation, hundreds of computers at their public schools in towns of different regions of Lebanon."
And not on the last place he included his family origin in his official website http://www.carlosslim.com/biografia_ing.html
In conclusion, I think he considers himself to be Lebanese-Mexican. Therefore we have to keep it this way and if you can to stop to be vandalized his Wikipedia page.
Gsfhsahopenclerk ( talk) 00:29, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
To be a Lebanese-Mexican you do not need dual nationality. Do you thing that all Italian-Americans are Italian and American citizens? But they are called Italian-Americans because they have Italian family/ethnic background. And moreover, all of the information comes from Carlos Slim's own website and therefore it is the most reliable source possible. Gsfhsahopenclerk ( talk) 00:54, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
":But [2] here it says his mother was born in Mexico. I already have doubts about the over-reliance on his self-published biography, and now we have a proof that it is not great." That is looking really strange. Then it seems that even he does not know where his mother was born ;)
"I'm still not happy about describing him as Lebanese-Mexican." It is simple just think about the example I gave you. Not every Italian-American, Italian-Canadian, Italian-Australian, Italian-Brazilian or Italian-Argentine has a dual citizenship. It is simply based on ethnicity/family background.
Gsfhsahopenclerk ( talk) 01:12, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
First up, I'm not particularly knowledgeable about religious terminology. I am aware that the phrase "Maronite Christian" had been a static entry in this article's infobox for quite some time but recent edits have seen it changed back and forth between that & "Maronite Catholic".
Reading the Maronite article, and risking falling foul of using a circular reference, it is clear that the Maronites are some sort of branch of the Catholic faith. However, learned articles favour the term "Maronite Christian" by quite a margin, and until this recent spat it was the only term I'd heard of myself (not that the latter means much, I guess). Using Google Scholar - Catholic (276 hits), Christian (1,060 hits). A straight Google search, which of course includes a lot of dupes/drill downs etc, paints a different picture.
Personally, I'd rather take the academic line on this because the academic community usually have a good reason for using a certain terminology and tend to reach their own consensus regarding it, whereas the popular line often does tend to be swayed by POV etc. However, I would appreciate input from other contributors. Neither term really "breaks" the article, unless Slim himself prefers one or the other ... and, oddly enough, I'm pretty sure that I have seen more interviews with him which use the "Christian" version, so I'll do some digging on this. Thanks. - Sitush ( talk) 02:14, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Yet another bout of edit warring on this article has resulted in the page being protected for a while, which is something I predicted might be necessary a few weeks ago. In an attempt to move things forward can I propose that:
Carlos is a Mexian with Syriac/Aramaic ethnic, beccause the Maronits are a Syriacs from the Syriac Church who was splitted before long ago. Its time that all this Maronits to say we are indeed Arameans in the roots and in the blood! Dont forget it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.238.193.121 ( talk) 19:10, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Why is the religion of Slim's parents relevant here? Furthermore, do we know his mother's religion? There have been some edits today that have, frankly, made a bit of a mess of things, well intentioned although they may have been. Some of the phrasing is now extremely clumsy. - Sitush ( talk) 16:35, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
I hope there isn't a problem. The religion of the mother is in the cites, both 4 and 5, which you deleted and then I restored (after you had requested a cite to the parents' religion when you had deleted that information earlier, which was promptly provided within hours). The religion of his parents is relevant as it narrows his family's cultural heritage. For those of Lebanese descent such information is extremely important due to the country's rich cultural and religious heritage and various ancestries. Please explain more clearly the problem, as everything is verifiable, relevant and informative? I'm open to hearing what other editors have to say about this so it's just not a one-sided thing as these edits the past few hours have been, but it seems a pretty uncontroversial point! If the wording is clumsy, feel free to change it, but it doesn't make sense to delete information cited from both the Times of London and Time Magazine, both obviously reputable sources that found such information relevant to their readers. I don't want to dominate the discussion, so that's it for me :) But please let's reach some consensus before reverting again and deleting cites if that is okay. Sincerely, Otherperson2011 (talk) 16:36, 17 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Otherperson2011 ( talk • contribs)
I don't see any of that discussion here "time and again" on the talk page. Can you direct me to it?
I don't want to get into a drawn out discussion as your tone is a bit unsettling but my last response is that; I didn't do anything about his religion, that has not been verified in any source I have read and listing that in such a situation would obviously be problematic for a biography of a living person. I made no changes for that, which I assume you had addressed earlier in your edits. His parents' religions, though, have been verified by a number of sources. I listed both Times (London) because it references the mother's religion as well "born of Lebanese Christian parents" and Time Magazine because it lists the specific rite of the father (Maronite Christian) because you had deleted the references and a previous cite for not clearly stating the religion of either. If we want to nitpick as to whether the mother is in fact Maronite Christian, that is one thing and that is something that can be edited to be more clear or we can try to see what other sources say about that. But to claim that the parents' religions are irrelevant can only be made by someone who knows nothing about Mexico, Lebanon, the Arab world or best practices in Wikipedia biographies of living persons. But I would to hear what other editors have to say so this does not become a one-sided thing. I have no right to dominate the discussion, just as you, so perhaps we should stick to what is verifiable and best practices in the rest of Wikipedia until other editors chime in. Have a good day :) Sincerely, Otherperson2011 (talk) 16:49, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Otherperson2011" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Otherperson2011 ( talk • contribs) 16:51, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
send me a buisness of him — Preceding unsigned comment added by A304796096 ( talk • contribs) 02:54, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Keen to learn Laiminm ( talk) 13:40, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
Should the name "Slim" be pronounced /es'lin/ - with a final en rather than em, according to Spanish phonology which does not allow a final em? TomS TDotO ( talk) 16:53, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
You might want to get your Spanish expert to check this entry over. I think you will find that "jeripollas" is probably not what you thought it was, whatever that might have been. That word does not appear in the Spanish version of the entry for Slim; the Spanish entry is quite a bit different. MaxwellPerkins ( talk) 01:35, 17 June 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MaxwellPerkins ( talk • contribs) 01:31, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
What in the world is this doing in the article? "World's Richest Man" is an estimate given by Forbes magazine or other commercial ventures. It doesn't "honor" anything. MaxwellPerkins ( talk) 01:57, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
An honorary title is granted by some body with competence and authority, usually in recognition of service or merit. The Honorary Consul for Finland in Nicaragua, for instance, might be granted to a person who has shown interest in Finnish affairs while living in Nicaragua or to a Finnish citizen living in Nicaragua who could represent Finland on ceremonial occasions. While getting rich is an achievement or an accomplishment, we usually don't associate civic merit with it, nor service, unless it's in service of Mammon. MaxwellPerkins ( talk) 22:46, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
All you have to do is go to Forbes and Slim is above Gates. That sentence about Gates should be removed from the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stubborn Myth ( talk • contribs) 17:48, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
2601:6:6F00:538:19E1:8481:3E48:9F70, I think the term monopolist should be carved out + sourced in the body of the page rather than merely dropped with 3 old bare links in the top line. I am not against the suggestion, but to me it smells a little lazy / and attention-seeking. Complete the sources via the dropdown menu ( with dates titles, you know?) discuss them in the body - Lede should leave without references, as lede follows body.-- Wuerzele ( talk) 03:20, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Footnotes 39 and 51 are broken. The correct links for the original pages are: Footnote 39, For general criticism of the Telecom monopoly: http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/hdrp_2010_09.pdf
Footnote 51, how much Slim owns of the telecom company: http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/stories/2007-03-04/slims-big-giveaway I could not see any way to edit it, so am adding it here. 89.240.242.168 ( talk) 07:01, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
Is it possible to automatically change the net worth to whatever it says here http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/list/#version:realtime or can it only be done manually -- 88.111.129.157 ( talk) 19:59, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
I made some bold edits to fix what I think are some real problems with the article. I also added some issue templates. I still think there are tons of peacock statements left. A good chunk of this article reads like a press release promoting him, not an encyclopedia. Also his business career section really should be trimmed down. Transactions details for all of those acquisitions really aren't necessary. Handpolk ( talk) 13:40, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Well while you are at it you might check the claims of his contacts with Jebb Bush for Barkleys& Perhaps Lehmans, before and after the2008 crash ~ and did he loose money by that? VIZ:- Jeb Bush's Big Lehman Brothers Problem ~ Charles Gasparino, The Daily Beast ~ Gasparino writes: "If Jeb won't tell you what Jeb exactly did while working on Wall Street, in the interests of transparency and disclosure, I will try."
A spokeswoman for Bush declined to provide specifics about his work for the banks other than point to various media accounts, including those by this reporter. But Bush, according to people with direct knowledge of his activities, helped the firm look for business from well-heeled clients, including everyone from hedge funds to billionaire investors like Carlos Slim Helu, the Mexican business magnate widely regarded as the world’s richest man.-- 113.187.0.226 ( talk) 06:01, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
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Well, it seems that the wealth estimate is going to flip between two sources, so it's probably a good idea to have a discussion and set a consensus on what to use.
At the moment the article shows 51.6 and sourced to the BI article, which is obviously mis-matched and unacceptable. BI is, frankly, a little sketchy at times - more of the TMZ of business news. I have no idea how they would be separating the family wealth. Forbes is the usual standard on most articles, and has a long term reputation for doing these "art based" estimates. Any other thoughts? Kuru (talk) 23:58, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
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<outdent>You appear to be advocating some sort of opposition between Donald Trump presidential campaign, 2016 and this article, based on your BLP comments on that talkpage. They're both billionaires, one assertion is false so the other must be true, etc. It looks a lot like you're trying to make a point. Acroterion (talk) 03:21, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Some say so.
Saw he has 17% of the foundation that runs it - is that a bigger interest than anyone else's? Also, how and why did he get a stake in the USA's biggest paper? 86.148.53.121 ( talk) 23:46, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
No, I don't think anyone is alleging that the benevolent Mr. Slim directly runs a Cartel, it would seem that as the most powerful man in Mexico, he is a sort of boss of bosses.
I think this should be included in the criticism section, as it has been reported in multiple major media outlets and is sourced from emails exchanged between Stratfor employees and a DEA agent.
Burton then asks DEA Special Agent William F. Dionne the question:
"Billy, is the MX billionaire Carlos Slim linked to the narcos?"
Dionne replies, "Regarding your question, the MX telecommunication billionaire is."
"Many people have assumed for a long time that he is somehow connected, but he has done a pretty good job of covering the tracks."— Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.220.168.91 ( talk • contribs)
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Modern magnates do business, investing and philantrophy. If I'm not mistaken, telecoms has been a focal industry for Mr Slim. Hence I'm proposing that we would change ❝Mexican business magnate, investor, and philanthropist❞ into “Mexican telecoms magnate”. Article descriptions need to be CONCISE. ToniTurunen ( talk) 12:42, 16 January 2022 (UTC)