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The file summary leaves me unclear as to where it came from. ArtistScientist ( talk) 12:42, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
According to Book and Magazine Collector Monthly (no 246) Bob Kane got the idea of 'the Batman' over a weekend, inspired by Da Vinci's drawings of bats as well as the films listed and then called in his old schoolfried Bill Finger for help. It also states he would have been called a costumed adventurer, not a superhero, that had yet to be coined (obviously it is not worth replacing all references to the word superhero and changing it to costumed adventurer). Detective Comics #27 was edited by Vin Sullivan. 89.242.157.137 ( talk) 18:41, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
I see influences such as the Shadow and Zorro named as inspirations for Batman (which quite obviously they were) but I believe there is another earlier influence which always seems to go unnoticed and which I believe should be mentioned and that is the similarities Batman has in both his original story and in most later film adaptations with Alexander Dumas’ the Count of Monte Cristo. Let me make my case.
Monte Cristo’s and Batman’s similarities.
1.The vow of revenge against the people who have wronged them and it is their primary motivation for what they do. The desire for Vengeance is mentioned in most Batman films in live action and animated forms. In the 1995 film Batman Forever it is stated that Batman believes revenge has become his whole life.
2.The dawning of a darker alter ego with unwavering convictions as to what they want to do. They both dress in black with capes.
3.They are both able to use an almost unlimited supply of money and resources towards their goals. They both also live in Mansions in large cities.
4.The use of allies/sidekicks. Batman has numerous people under him he can depend on for help and with similar goals to his. Alfred, Robin, Batgirl, Batwoman, Nightwing, and Lucius Fox. The Count of Monte Cristo had Luigi Vampa, Jacopo, Ali, Baptistin, Bertuccio, Benedetto and Princess Haydee all with their own helpful skills to assist him and with similar goals.
5.Detective skills. Monte Cristo and Batman both use intelligence and cunning to destroy their enemies.
6.Monte Cristo has an underground hideout/headquarters in a cave underneath the island of Monte Cristo which in some respects seems similar to the Batcave.
7.The training and refining of Bruce Wayne in Batman Begins (2005) by Ducard is also similar to the training Dantes receives from Abbe Faria. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.68.27.26 ( talk) 09:16, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
The Phantom's obvious influence on Batman needs to be mentioned somewhere in the article. It's obvious that Kane and/or Finger lifted Batman's white eyes with no pupils straight from Lee Falk's character, and such it needs to be recognized. It is detailly described in the Phantom article how Falk got the idea for his hero having no visible eyes behind his mask, and Batman, and countless other superheroes, took this straight from "The Ghost Who Walks". -- Kit Walker ( talk) 08:20, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Well, there are several reliable sources on how Falk came up with the idea of the white eyes from observing Greek busts, which usually did not have visible pupils. One of the best sources is an interview with Falk in the documentary "The Phantom: Comic Strip Crusader", which aired on A&E in 1996. I think it really warrants a brief mention in the Batman article under the "Creation" section if the likes of Doc Savage and The Shadow can get one simply by being "master sleuths and scientists"... It's obvious Batman as a character would look different if it wasn't for the Phantom. -- Kit Walker ( talk) 13:51, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
The Bill Finger article offers what appears to be a reliable source for the Phantom's influence on Batman. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Finger#cite_note-9 -- Kit Walker ( talk) 23:06, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
As I was just at the fictional history of Dick Grayson page and it was nominated for deletion and the result was keep. Here this is Batman worlds finest he has a long history and I have a feeling we should split this article off into two articles.
Fictional History of Batman (Like the fictional history of Dick Grayson Page)
Batman (Includes all information except the biography which will be incorperated into the page above)
This is just a thought. -- Schmeater ( talk) 18:28, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Is there a listing for the 'other' sort of batman, namely an orderly in the British army? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kobold123 ( talk • contribs) 05:04, 6 November 2009 (UTC) yeah a siptedrrte —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.80.15.184 ( talk) 04:39, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
The first words in the article are "The Batman", yet it's about the only time in the article the phrase is used to refer to the character. The most common way to refer to the character is by far "Batman". Like, 99.9% of the time this is what he's called. The opening should reflect this. Any opposing views? ArtistScientist ( talk) 14:56, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
On a related note, is it "the Batman" or "The Batman"? i.e., "I am the Batman" or "I am The Batman" -- Gadflyr ( talk) 13:43, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps someone who is more knowedgeable in the storyline might want to add this information at the end of the Modern Batman" section..?
"The World’s Greatest Detective is facing his toughest mystery.
Lost in the timestream, believed to be dead by his friends and enemies alike, Bruce Wayne must use every bit of intelligence, every ounce of strength and training he’s acquired over the years to find his way back to the city, and adopted family of vigilantes, he’d left behind.
Blasted by the mysterious and powerful Omega Effect in the pages of FINAL CRISIS during a deadly battle with the malevolent New God Darkseid, Bruce Wayne must battle back through the waves of time to reclaim what was his – his city, his life…his cowl?
From the kinetic and awe-inspiring imagination of writer Grant Morrison and an all-star cast of artists, including Chris Sprouse, who’ll handle art chores on the first issue, BATMAN: THE RETURN OF BRUCE WAYNE #1 (of 6) hits in April and will prove to be Bruce Wayne’s defining moment as a hero, and his toughest challenge yet."
Source: http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2009/12/09/dcu-in-2010-the-return-of-bruce-wayne-hits-in-april/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.119.229.163 ( talk) 16:45, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
I believe the simplest way woul be to indicate:
On December 9, 2009 DC announced that Bruce Wayne would be making his anticipated return in 2010. The storyline titled Return Of Bruce Wayne will consist of a six issue miniseries beginning in April of 2010. The series will follow Bruce Wayne in a journey through time, trying to find his way back to the present-day Gotham City he calls home.
The series will be written by Grant Morrison and feature a different artist on each issue. Morrison described the tales as: " Bruce Wayne's ultimate challenge — Batman vs. history itself!" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vaf2675 ( talk • contribs) 21:59, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
please chance it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.78.93.81 ( talk) 21:44, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
After watching Batman and Superman Public Enemies, Batman's abilities should be super strength, speed, and agility. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eupeyd ( talk • contribs) 06:06, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
How about no. Although, on separate occasions, he temporarily acquired several powers including Superman's. AltomareXD ( talk) 17:21, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Ok when I find you I'll tell you what I really think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eupeyd ( talk • contribs) 22:27, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Haha. What?! 129.139.1.68 ( talk) 15:32, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
I find it surprising that no one finds it worth mentioning that origionally Batman carried a gun and would kill people. Infact, Robin was created to give Batman a lighter tone. I feel that if the article is to even talk about the Golden Age Batman this should at least be mentioned (especially considering how in depth the article gets later on.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.5.65 ( talk) 17:42, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Why is it that Superman and Clark Kent are separate articles, yet Bruce Wayne is merely a brief paragraph within the Batman page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.52.147.84 ( talk) 04:14, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Because you're too lazy to make a decent Bruce Wayne article? You think the Clark Kent article MAGICALLY appeared? If you want a bigger Bruce Wayne article, MAKE ONE. 129.139.1.68 ( talk) 20:05, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I wanted to know where that section is or if there is one. Most wiki pages for comic book heroes have their powers/abilities but it seems like this page doesn't. I may be on the wrong page but this seems like where all of Batman(Bruce Wayne's alter ego)'s information belongs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.104.81.250 ( talk) 02:13, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
batman doesn't really have any powers. 71.112.117.210 ( talk) 00:36, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't it have at least he is a martial artist? Even Catwoman has her abilities listed.
76.104.81.250 (
talk) 04:17, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
No mention of the name Bruno Diaz? Bruce Wayne is only Batman's civilian identity in english language versions of Batman. In other languages Bruce Wayne is named Bruno Diaz. No idea why. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.54.162.208 ( talk) 22:58, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
Uhm, who cares? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.161.167.125 ( talk) 05:18, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Well, actually the man has reason. A bit of reference in te Trivia part could be done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vortex36 ( talk • contribs) 18:56, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Then add the other identities on the other language wiki pages. 129.139.1.68 ( talk) 20:09, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Identity Crisis was 2002, not 2005 as it says in the Fictional character biography section under Modern Batman. It was 3 years before Infinite Crisis, which WAS 2005. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.54.162.208 ( talk) 23:36, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't have an account, but maybe someone can add this picture? Or a picture of the Azrael Batman? Since Dick Grayson's picture as Batman is on this page, maybe this one can be as well? It's a picture of Jean Paul Valley/Azrael as Batman, who becomes Batman after Bane breaks Bruce Wayne's back. Here's a picture: [[:Image:Det667.jpg|thumb|130px|left| Detective Comics #667 (1993). Art by Kelley Jones.]] (Here, this is the picture-- (File:Det667.jpg)) If not this picture, maybe another one with Azrael in his Batman costume. What does everyone think? 71.194.114.35 ( talk) 01:19, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
The portion that reads "...Kane disputed Finger's claims at having created the character." is false. It should read something like: "...Kane disputed Jerry Bails' claims that Finger created the character."
Portions of this article are taken from an article from which I quoted and submitted to Wiki a few years ago. In it, I demonstrated that Bill Finger is not the one who was saying he created The Batman. It seems that Jerry Bails and some of his friends had met Finger at his studio after a comic book convention at which he had explained how he helped Kane refine his idea. Bails in turn wrote an article in BATMANIA in which he (not Bill) claimed that Bill "really" created Batman. This caused an uproar that led to Kane's furious response, parts of which are also quoted in this article. Eventually in Steranko's History of the Comics, Bill clarified his involvement (especially how he came up with the "Bruce Wayne" monniker), but even with this, Kane was still attacked by some "fans" who distorted things while some comic book insiders insulted Bill with the jargon about "...being Fingered". MARK VENTURE ( talk) 21:03, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Other characters have their character flaws mentioned -- for example Tony Stark is an alcoholic -- but people seem to think that Batman is beyond criticism. I personally find it hilarious, but why was the fact that he uses torture and intrusive surveillance in his fight against crime removed from this article?
I'm looking for an image to add to the article simple:Batman. I have already added the Batmobile image as it is the only image in this article that is Creative Commons licensed. It is difficult to know what "fair use" means, different editors have very different ideas. I would like to know what image or images would be the most fair so that the simple:Batman article could have at least one or two pictures of Batman. -- Horkana ( talk) 23:55, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Dick Grayson should be listed under Batman's alter-ego(s) in the infobox.
Limbero ( talk) 19:59, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
What the blue blazes is this section?! Talk about undue emphasis in an article. This section is made up of taking small offhand comments from a few people and blowing them all out of proportion. It should be deleted as it's got nothing to do with Batman and seems like some sort of homosexual obsession. JettaMann ( talk) 21:34, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Now that Bruce Wayne is no longer the Batman, and ergo not just a sercret identity, combined with the fact that Clark Kent is a different article to Superman, I think that Bruce Wayne deserves his own article. I thought about restoring [1], but I decided to get some conseus first. What does everyone think of the idea? At the very least I believe he deserves his own article, if not the old revision I linked to. Harry Blue5 ( talk) 10:52, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
The Intro says "Wayne will return as Batman in Batman: The Return of Bruce Wayne". This is unconfirmed. Although I'm sure he will return as Batman, we don't know that that will actually happen in this series. All we know is that Bruce Wayne will return to current time. Gonna re-word it unless somebody finds a source saying that he will become Batman again this soon. ZODtheReaper ( talk) 02:35, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
This article basically glosses over the notion of The Batman having a son. How/when did this happen? Essentially a non-canon story, where the Batman married Talia and she became pregnant, somehow wound up as canon. In the storyline Talia concluded that she would never be able to keep Batman, she faked a miscarriage, and the marriage was dissolved. Now however at least a part of this storyline is canon. This kind of back-and-forth disruption of the timeline, which seems based on whoever the writer/artist team is at the time, renders a coherent background of any character in any part of the DC Universe impossible and irrelevant.-- 143.250.2.10 ( talk) 15:58, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
A cleanup page has been created for WP:FILMS' spotlight articles. One element that is being checked in ensuring the quality of the articles is the non-free images. Currently, one or more non-free images being used in this article are under discussion to determine if they should be removed from the article for not complying with non-free and fair use requirements. Please comment at the corresponding section within the image cleanup listing. Before contributing the discussion, please first read WP:FILMNFI concerning non-free images. Ideally the discussions pertaining to the spotlight articles will be concluded by the end of June, so please comment soon to ensure there is clear consensus. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 ( talk • contrib) 05:02, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
{{ editsemiprotected}} Okay, look I just want to change one thing okay. But if it doesn't go the way you like it. Then, I won't do it again.
Frankm.russo ( talk) 23:24, 3 July 2010 (UTC) That's it.
Will Murray tracked down the Shadow novel Bill Finger used as inspiration for the first Batman story, "The Case of the Chemical Syndicate" in Detective Comics #27. It's "Partners of Peril" from 1936. I wonder if this should be added to the article? Thanks! Darci ( talk) 18:14, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
I see that my edit that stated that Batman was also known as the Darknight Detective has been changed, even though he was known as that throughout the Seventies and Eighties. I am requesting it be changed back, since a Google search will show that I am right. jtmatbat ( talk) 07:45, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
I just Googled this and I can find no reference to him being called The Darknight Detective that's not a spelling mistake. In what era of comics was he called The Darknight Detective rather than The Dark Knight Detective? ScottMorris1 ( talk) 17:50, 4 March 2011
He is NOT gay, what the heck, he a been involved with so many chicks and bob kane never created him as gay. he is also the most sacrificial superhero and saved millions of heroes including supes himself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.165.41.15 ( talk) 15:20, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
not that there is anything wrong with that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.222.42.202 ( talk) 08:06, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
See also Homosexuality in Batman
This was brought up before but the bot pushed it to the archives. -- Horkana ( talk) 14:37, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
I notice that there are a large number of non-free images in this article, and, basically, I'm asking if the regular editors could review their use if possible- ensure that every image is required. Ideally, we should use as little non-free content as possible. I'm yet to look through it with a fine-toothed comb myself, but I am concerned there may be some unwarranted images. J Milburn ( talk) 20:07, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
This was brought up at least once before but the bot pushed it to the archives. -- Horkana ( talk) 14:37, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to put forth a suggestion. In advancing the article on Anarky, I've long ago expunged any excessive images. In order to replace these, I've pulled together many useful quotes that elaborate upon a topic. I highly recommend the same be done here. In many instances, the quotes can be more interesting than images. How many depictions of Batman do you need, when they just take up space that could be reserved for a quote by Bob Kane or Dennis O'Neil commenting on the character's development and impact? -- Cast ( talk) 18:30, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
I think we should at least mention Damian Wayne in this section because he has been referenced to becoming Batman after Bruce dies (he appeared as Batman in Batman #666 and #700, Superman/Batman #75, a vague reference in Teen Titans Vol. 3 #18, and DC One Million). JulezNossy ( talk) 17:40, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
I also think that it should mention something about terry mcginnis being batman (batman beyond) —Preceding
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173.89.37.238 (
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The main profile picture of Batman needs an update. The character of Bruce Wayne has undergone a new costume change after his recent return since the events of DC Comics' major event "Final Crisis". I am able to provide a sufficient picture in .jpg format if needed.
Atmamog ( talk) 01:01, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
Not done for now:It's not necessary that the picture represent the most current image/costume. However, I'm not a regular editor of comic-book pages, so more experienced editors may disagree. For now I'll mark this as complete, but feel free to continue discussing. Qwyrxian ( talk) 10:45, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Batman was the first man to throw Superman off his feet without using kryponite or magic in the cartoon. Batman is able to dodge superhuman abilities at superhuman fast agility. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnthonyTheGod ( talk • contribs) 12:23, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
Just to say at the end of this section it is a bit misleading to say that Judd Winick returned to be Batman title. Yes this is true and deserves its place in the expanded section below or in the Batman (comic) page but the section where he is mentioned here only seems for defining moments. Winick came back for 3-4 issues and it was widely unremarkable at that. It would make sense to say batman was taken over by Tony Daniel for example whos run was much more notable and extensive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.81.66.129 ( talk) 23:19, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
"Batman's secret identity is Bruce Wayne" That is written in the article but it's not true. Bruce Wayne's secret identity is batman, not vice versa. It should be 'Batman's real name is Bruce Wayne' or something of the sort — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.157.80.183 ( talk) 23:35, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
You know and I know that Batman is called the Caped Crusader, the Dark Knight, etc. That's probably why no one's noticed till now that none of those names are cited. We're all going with the assumption of "everybody knows that" ... and we actually can't do that. those names seem to have been entered under the assumption of "common knowledge," which is disallowed — that's considered original research or non-cited POV.
Why is this important? Because one editor has been trying to add "the Darknight Detective" to that list, and is getting reverted. (Once by me, though that was because he was using a disallowed, non-RS source as citation.) Why is "Caped Crusader" allowed by "Darknight Detective" not? The only answer is POV ... in this case a sort of collective POV. But we actually do need to cite these things. Aside from general Wikipedia policy, it provides bright-line, objective justification for why one nickname is included and why another is not.
Certainly, with all the books written about Batman, we can find one or two RS cites each that refers to him as the Caped Crusader, etc. It shouldn't be hard. Otherwise, we really have no concrete, verifiable reason to include some nicknames but not others that are frequently used. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 21:15, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
I've added citations to Michael Fleisher's 1976 Batman Encyclopedia. Hope that helps. There's actually an entie paragraph of nicknames for Batman listed. Mtminchi08 ( talk) 07:38, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Here's a link for a Billboard article from March 5, 1966 which uses the term "Caped Crusader" "Zapp! Pow! Batman Enters Vending Scene"
Google Books now has many old magazines available online. There's a treasure trove of citations there! Mtminchi08 ( talk) 03:26, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Note that the Caped Crusader name is apparently well known enough that it was the part of the title of one of the 80s Batman games, as shown on List_of_Batman_video_games. Aawood ( talk) 12:48, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
I think Bruce Wayne should be merged into this article of Batman because Bruce and Batman are one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.174.158 ( talk) 21:18, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
"In the original version of the story and the vast majority of retellings, Batman's secret identity is Bruce Wayne, an American millionaire"
Isn't Batman the secret identity of Bruce Wayne instead of Bruce Wayne being the secret identity of Batman? -- 80.60.87.138 ( talk) 05:16, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
But while Batman has been many different people, this article mainly surrounds Bruce Wayne, it mentions Dick Grayson, what aboutt Azreal and Terry McGinnis from Batman Beyond? Imthiyaz84 ( talk)
In Batman: Under The Red Hood, Batman was able to dodge a car easily! In the last episode of Justice League Unlimited, Batman impressed Darkseid by being the first being to ever dodge his death beam not even Superman can dodge it! Batman is able to dodge bullets and other impossible elements such as heat beam just like in Batman: Under The Red Hood. Batman with Robin in The Batman was able to beat a cyborg who had the powers of all the Justice League! Batman was able to survive a punch from an amazo in Batman The Red Hood. In Batman The Red Hood, Batman was able to escape buildings ready to blow and he didn't even need his bathanger to jump across building to building. In the comios he was able to survive being poisoned by Poison Ivy until she cured him. Superhuman means improved human and that is what Batman is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnthonyTheGamer ( talk • contribs) 20:06, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
Well they have showned that Batman has evolved throughout the series and in Wikipedia of the examples of superhuman, one of their examples is evolution. Lets think about it, can the Green Arrow do all the things like Batman can, also how many normal men can dodge a car thrown at them? ````AnthonyTheGod
If that is true about the artistic license then why are the 2000 century animators breaking Batman's character? In the 90s, he wasn't able to do all the things he can do now. Why are these cartoons of Batman nowadays make him look superhuman? AnthonyTheGamer ( talk) 08:59, 20 March 2011 (UTC)AnthonyTheGamer
To Doczilla you do realize that an internet forum is a discussion right? Where else am I going to find out why they are breaking Batman's artistic license, tell me? I understand but at least put on Batman's page why they keep evolving the character like on Superman's Wikipedia page. To Doczilla, I read the guidelines and you with the rest of Wikipedia editors are suppose to update any new events to Wikipedia's pages so then you are suppose to update if DC comics evolved Batman so answer the question that is part of your guidelines to "update". AnthonyTheGamer ( talk) 07:40, 30 March 2011 (UTC) AnthonyTheGamer
I know that all of you read the Batman comics but I don't think you watch the Batman cartoons. Somebody explain in the Batman page why he is able to do all of these non-human abilities? AnthonyTheGamer ( talk) 22:05, 11 April 2011 (UTC) AnthonyTheGamer
Can someone just labeled this way above title so someone will not get confused. AnthonyTheGamer ( talk) 08:08, 7 April 2011 (UTC) AnthonyTheGamer
This fella has a point. There is a Batman province in Turkey, the capital of which is also called Batman. Having the "(Comics)" part would help differentiate between the three ( 109.246.48.165 ( talk) 17:09, 28 November 2011 (UTC))
The quote from Bill Finger about naming Bruce Wayne appears twice in the article, in both the Publication History section and the Bruce Wayne subsection in Characterisation. While I can understand having either section state the information, I don't understand both of them using it. Additionally it's placed in 'Bruce Wayne' in a slightly clunky manner. Would somebody edit it out of that latter section? 82.37.246.236 ( talk) 14:01, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
The "Darknight Detective" title is a nickname that was rarely used in the 80s, but is no longer used. As such, it does not belong in the lede, which is an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important aspects. This is not an important aspect. I suggest that if it is insisted that this title is in the article, that it is placed somewhere within the article itself as opposed to the lede. Placing it in the lede gives undue weight to a nickname that is hardly ever used, giving the impression that this is a commonly attributed nickname, when it is not. This is why I removed it from the lede, as it doesn't belong there, sourced or not. - Sudo Ghost 13:45, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
In the opening paragraph it says Batman has appeared in "many of DC Comics' publications". A better wording would be Batman has appeared in publications by DC Comics or primarily in publications by DC Comics. - Chavando ( talk) 02:35, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
I see there to be no need for the homosexual section. It is citing a minor viewpoint and uses outdated references.-- Valkyrie Red ( talk) 00:08, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
-- rafaelcastrocouto ( talk) 18:34, 13 Jan 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.103.120.172 ( talk)
There should be an added subcategory about the various love interests whom Bruce Wayne/Batman had throughout the decades. Perhaps even a subcategory of some of the children he had as well.-- Splashen ( talk) 06:18, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Batman does indeed have a super power. He's very very rich. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.191.10.40 ( talk) 16:38, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Even though Terry McGinnis is Batman Beyond or Batman of the future, shouldn't he be under "partnerships" that is under his picture of Batman at the top? Superman and Batgirl and Robin are all under there. I understand that Nightwing isn't under there because they were never directly partners, but I believe Terry McGinnis or Batman Beyond should be, despite how far away he is in the timeline since superman and batgirl were not partners at the same time either.
This question is aimed at the wikipage on Batman.
I seem to recall that in the Batman comic series (some time probably during the 1960's) I recall Robin querying Batman about whether a suitable name for him would be "Batboy" rather than Robin. I think that this led to a (one off) story of Batman recounting that there had previously been a Batboy (who I think died). I wonder if any other readers or contributors could make a comment on this.
Jpmct ( talk) 13:26, 13 August 2011 (UTC)Jpmct
How come no mentions of the Rocksteady games Arkham Asylum and Arkham City?
CrocodilesAreForWimps ( talk) 18:53, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
While reading I noticed this, " While many characters have their histories significantly altered to attract newer, younger readers, Batman's history remains mostly intact". While this is somewhat true I think it lacks information, alot of fans hate The New 52 because of the assumption that the comic franchise was created as a permanent change in the heroes lives. Batman may have a new comic going on right now, altered reality, but its a continuation of the Flashpoint series, and will ultimately end in 5-10 years depending on how the story goes, so Batman's reality will revert back to how it was pre- new 52, and I feel this should be re-written by someone who can talk better and added to the section about Batman in the new 52. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1AndOnlyTheGoob ( talk • contribs) 09:09, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Should be moved and clarified: DKR is a solo title. -- 193.254.155.48 ( talk) 14:06, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
batman is AN AMERICAN Hero Please ADD It's Nationality — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saccyind ( talk • contribs) 13:02, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
In their adventures, what are the official dates of the Bruce Wayne's birth (day, number, year) and of the murder of his parents (day, number, year) ? IJKL ( talk) 09:04, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
I saw Batman in Batman Arkham City pull off a swell shutter with his hands. I saw Batman dodge a car in Batman Under The Red Hood. The comics must have the answers just like it was shown on Captain America's power level on Wikipedia's article. AnthonyTheGamer ( talk) 02:31, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
A few things guys:
- J Greb ( talk) 07:33, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
AnthonyTheGamer ( talk) 23:17, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
To Euchrid, I am not using original research so here is a fact: In Justice League Unlimited Episode 13 "The Once and Future Thing, Part 2: Time, Warped", Batman actually held one of the Jokerz by the leg, over a roof with one hand. It should be added to Batman's power and abilities that he can pick up a man with one hand. Agreed? AnthonyTheGamer ( talk) 18:20, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
In the television series, "The Batman" episode 59, production 507, episode name "Ring Toss", Batman temporarily has the Green Lantern's powers. Should be added because of primary source. AnthonyTheGamer ( talk) 02:56, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Batman is a fictional character and I've never really understood the tendency of the editors of this page to prevent his less admirable characteristics from being pointed out. I get it that fanboys are most likely to be the ones editing this page, but it's ridiculous nevertheless.
Here are some examples of what I'm talking about... You can't point out that Batman tortures people in his war on crime. You can't point out that he employs intrusive surveillance technology on the general public. You can't question his becoming a crime-boss in his own right under the persona of Matches Malone. Such things, and more, have happened in the Batman universe. I'm not gonna try to make any more edits along these lines in the main page, but do please note my displeasure with the lack of neutrality on this page. Batman is a billionaire fighting street crime while simultaneously engaged in white collar crime -- a critique other heroes (like Green Arrow & Anarky) have essentially pointed out. Nihilozero ( talk) 16:56, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
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This line is irrelevant. (However, the three sequels, Tim Burton's Batman Returns and director Joel Schumacher's Batman Forever and Batman & Robin, did not perform as well at the box office.)
They all grossed over 200,000,000 million dollars at the box office. They were planning another sequel with George Clooney, but cancelled it for creative reason's, not out of fear of it not making money. That has been said in many articles.
Holmes79 ( talk) 14:44, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
Fellow Batman fans. I am requesting, if possible, of anyone to expand the article of the graphic novel, Batman: Earth One, and creating an article for Batman novel, Wayne of Gotham, written by Tracy Hickman. Haven't read the latter yet, until I go to the library and borrow it.-- NeoBatfreak ( talk) 06:34, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
I came to this main Wikipedia Batman article after the Aurora Shooting to see if I could find the main movie story line that the Aurora shooter may have been trying to follow in his head. Granted, he may have been trying to follow a comic book story line instead, but as one who has far more knowledge of Batman movies than of comics, I felt that perhaps he might have been trying to follow the story line of the movies and not the comics. At any rate, I inserted the movie section, and the info about the Aurora Shooting, into the "Cultural impact" section because I thought that they might be helpful to other readers, and because I thought that the Aurora Shootings did have some "Cultural impact". I would hope that in light of this line of reasoning, that you might please allow me to re-insert this info into the article. Thanks, Scott P. ( talk) 12:20, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
I have just added two brief sentences to this effect in the Batman article. Scott P. ( talk) 16:27, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
At this point the only connection between the killings and Batman is they took place at a Batman film. All the rest - that he was emulating the Joker, that he was dressed as Bane, that he was obsessed with Batman - is pure speculation based on deeply circumstantial evidence. Euchrid ( talk) 21:01, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
OK my friends, delete any reference to the Aurora shooting incident. Still, you might want to take a look at what other editors have already done at the Dark Knight Rises article. There in an article about this Batman movie, other editors have already felt it appropriate to add an entire section about this incident. I will revisit this question in a month or so here. Scott P. ( talk) 23:54, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
SO I read through the archives. It appears that everyone is in agreement that the section is not necessary. Some people state that they don't have a problem with it but think its over weighted. I agree its over weighted considering that currently the paragraph is twice the size of the paragraph about batman equipment (go ahead and laugh). The weapons and tools batman uses are far more important then if the writers tried to imply he is gay. No one of significance has expressed the views. The whole paragraph is about the writers, not the character they created. Its one writer or reader talking about another writer or reader. To step away what if some writer came forward and said that Wonder women was w hermaphrodite. Surely someone could find some manly pose or statement, one might find a picture with a large atoms apple. Why would we give that writers view any importance? If people are talking about it they have never talked to me about it. Just leave it in the shadows. Don't bring down or alter the whole characters because some writer after the fact wants some attention or wants to push some agenda. I think there are 2 real options either shorten the section to a paragraph or 2 or simply delete it all together. Since it has been discussed to much already lets just put it to a vote. Mantion ( talk) 10:26, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
08/11/2012- Prove you resources as to why this is an entire section. Could it be because it is election year? You are showing a complete bias and I would like to see your stats and resources showing that most people are in favor for the Homosexual section ion this page. Why would I want my 8 yr old daughter to research batman on here only for to ask my what does homosexual mean? Has it ever been written for fact in the comics that batman was gay? No! Even when you used Grant Morrison's quotes, you only used the portion that said it was gay, not the portion that said it was a gay concept. You have even exaggerated Grant's role in Batman, he was in DC Comics since 2006. The big question is, "Why is this even up for discussion"? If you are going to write a homosexual interpretation, you should write a Heterosexual interpretation. I am going to request that this page loses it semi-protected status, after all, you do not work for DC comics any way. — Preceding
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Correct spelling of "principle" to "principal" in "principle antagonists" under "The New 52 Relaunch" section of the "Batman" entry. Ljz201 ( talk) 03:20, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
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The fourth sentence of this section states:
But in the cited source, Forbes Magazine "The Forbes Fictional 15" Bruce Wayne is listed as the 8th richest fictional character, and Tony Stark at 5th. 6th and 9th richest point instead toward Richie Rich, and Forrest Gump respectively. Also note that it is the civilian personas (i.e. Stark and Wayne) who are wealthy, rather than their hero counterparts (i.e. Iron Man and Batman); as listed in the cited article. The sentence should be edited to reflect this as well.
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Really? What would warrant a entire section to this? 08/11/2012- Prove your resources as to why this is an entire section. Could it be because it is election year? You are showing a complete bias and I would like to see your stats and resources showing that most people are in favor for the Homosexual section ion this page. Why would I want my 8 yr old daughter to research batman on here only for to ask my what does homosexual mean? Has it ever been written for fact in the comics that batman was gay? No! Even when you used Grant Morrison's quotes, you only used the portion that said it was gay, not the portion that said it was a gay concept. You have even exaggerated Grant's role in Batman, he was in DC Comics since 2006. The big question is, "Why is this even up for discussion"? If you are going to write a homosexual interpretation, you should write a Heterosexual interpretation. I am going to request that this page loses it semi-protected status, after all, you do not work for DC comics any way.
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Again, you need to provide why there is a whole section dedicated to this unless you are homosexual trying to support a cause. Where is the heterosexual section?...case and point. This will continue to be a discussion until you come up with something better than " The sources are all verifiable and reliable, all the statements accurately reflect statements made by notable people". You have already violated Wikipedia with a half quotation from Grant without providing all of the information pertaining that statement. Trust me, I will make sure that this article semi-protection status is dismissed. Just because you are comfortable with spreading propaganda under the disguise of dialogue, edit it. You have yet to thoroughly explain why this is a section. Again, you do not work for DC comics and your agenda is very clear. Where is the hetero section? What are we supposed to be critically studying? It would have been more appropriate to have a label "Batman in Pop culture" or perhaps modern views of Batman but no, your ever so clear intentions are showing. Time to escalate this issue to higher powers. Rfrf101 ( talk) 05:43, 12 August 2012 (UTC)rfrf101
Weak argument and your answer still doesn't answer the basic questions. As I said before, you do NOT work for DC Comics. You are in violation. This article will lose it semi protection status. Rfrf101 ( talk) 18:24, 12 August 2012 (UTC)rfrf101
We see what bile and libel has done for this page, it created an entire section without full and proper quotations in the context it was put in and propaganda. That is plagiarism.
rfrf101, again, we are not censored for minors or morals. This means we do not conform to any one belief system's worldview, and while we do take measures to not show blatant pornography (by American standards) we will not refuse to disseminate information that is reinforced by reliable sources that have been properly cited, even if it would cause offense. Any arguments you make have to bear in mind this section is cited quite strongly and won't be edited just to appease your manufactured moral outrage that would make Mary Whitehouse or Patricia Pulling turn over in their graves. It's also worth noting that if someone here is working for DC Comics, they would have already disclosed this information - hiding things has a history of biting editors in the ass. — Jeremy v^_^v Bori! 05:10, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
I think this is one of the many inherent weaknesses with Wikipedia. I keep seeing one editor claim that removing the homosexuality section is POV pushing, but I would argue that including that section is POV pushing and giving undue weight to, let's face it, a stupid and almost childish subject. Interpreting the Batman series as homosexual in nature is POV. There is nothing of substance to support these claims. The section itself really has nothing to do with Batman and mostly has to do with moral panic and a few people's opinions on Batman, so I'm not even sure why it's included in this article.
On a side note, Grant Morrison's reasoning is particularly ridiculous. A man being more devoted to his job/duty/cause than your typical pleasures, such as women, is a common theme in fiction. This theme has never been about implying homosexuality, it has been about implying devotion to a cause. Besides this, the assumption that not being interested in women automatically makes you a homosexual is equally ridiculous. Asexuals exist, as do people too devoted to their work to be in a relationship. I could go on and punch any number of holes in the incredibly shallow reasoning, but it's not really important.
By this standard, ANYONE discussing ANYTHING about Batman could warrant inclusion in this article...regardless of its frivolous nature or unfounded claims. If enough people discuss and make interpretations that Batman is a pedophile, will that also be included in the article? A shoe sniffer? Where do you draw the line for what garbage you include? All it takes is some fool to write a book and for people to talk about it, and then it's encyclopedia worthy? Again, a weakness in this format. "The Sexuality of Abraham Lincoln" is a prime example of this weakness. One idiot writes a book with his offhand interpretations, some people blog about the book, and suddenly it is bulletproof behind the notability standard...and has an entire article of its own despite the fact that it's completely dubious and based on hearsay. Ridiculous.
People are aware that differing opinions and interpretations exist for any given character or person. Even if these subjects become widespread topics of discussion, they really AREN'T notable or relevant for direct inclusion in an article about 99% of the time. These sections never give deeper insight into the article's subject. They pretty much always serve to push a viewpoint, agenda, or to have the subject in question become more ubiquitous.
You can go ahead and cite a bunch of Wikipedia rules that state that you are, in fact, obeying all the rules by including this section in this article. I really don't care about that, because we all know this section is stupid and that the rules that allow tabloid-esque sections like this to be included are stupid. We also know that one of the only reasons that this section is even still here is because it's related to homosexuality, and removing any section or article related to homosexuality is automatically seen as homophobic no matter how ridiculous its inclusion is.
There needs to be a change in the way Wikipedia handles gossip or opinion pieces like this. It simply is not worthy of being in an Encyclopedia. BeardedScholar ( talk) 04:02, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
Bonus points for claiming to know more about Batman than the character's principle writer of the last six years. Euchrid ( talk) 04:57, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
i think wee need a new picture for this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Batman_Lee.png Batman has now since more than a year a new costume!!! 87.78.99.160 ( talk) 11:39, 5 September 2012 (UTC)--
Maybe we should make an article about the Death of the Family arc. What do you say? -- Leader Vladimir ( talk) 16:14, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
Shouldn't the last paragraph of Suporting characters be changed (Other supporting characters in the Batman's world include former Batgirl Barbara Gordon....) because Barbara is currently back in the batgirl role and it has been re established that she has been the only one. So she is no longer Former — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattythebassman ( talk • contribs) 02:26, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
I thought Gardner Fox wrote Batman's origin in Detective #33? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.185.3.155 ( talk) 05:25, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Dick Grayson is the Batman for a short amount of time while Bruce Wayne is supposedly dead. Shouldn't he be included under the alter ego section? 72.74.136.49 ( talk) 01:48, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Rather than an edit war, can we please have a discussion about whether Batman should be referred to as 'who' or 'that' in the lede? My reasoning for the former is simply that it seems to be the precedent - I've looked over several significant articles about fictional characters, such as Sherlock Holmes, Superman and Robin Hood, and none of them use 'that'. If there's a policy or guideline that I'm unaware of, though, I'm happy to have it pointed out. Thanks. Euchrid ( talk) 07:26, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
The article says Batman's most defining characteristic is his refusal to kill. There is no citation for this. As I think many people would consider his most defining characteristic to be his lack of superpowers, this should probably be changed or at least require some sort of citation. -- 64.129.32.18 ( talk) 21:30, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm not saying it is or is not a copyright violation, but I am suggesting that for legal reasons the copyright concerns should be discussed and cleared up before the text is reinserted into the article. Dougweller if you don't mind me asking, what is this edit infringing upon? - Sudo Ghost 10:37, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
If you follow the link to Batman s mother's page it states she is of Irish descent So that would make the character of Irish descent so can someone edit that in please?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Wayne
Should we make an article about Zero Year? It's the next major Batman event that re-tells Batman's first year in Gotham. Leader Vladimir ( talk) 22:58, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Considering how much the work of Grant Morrison helped redefine the Batman franchise for DC Comics, I think a new section should be made for Grant Morrison's work in the publication history. Leader Vladimir ( talk) 20:43, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
This article implies that 'Batman' is Bruce Wayne's 'true persona' rather than his secret identity and contrasts this by saying that 'Superman' is Clark Kent's secret identity and that his super hero persona is his mask. This is entirely unfounded in the very origins of each character. Bruce Wayne is a human and he was born on earth and he was given the name and identity of 'Bruce Wayne' when he was born, He created Batman and a means to fight crime. Bruce Wayne trained himself and created this persona in which he wears a mask and a costume to fight evil. For Superman, the opposite is true. He was born to Jor-El and Laura on Krypton and he was given the name Kal-el...he is NOT human, no matter how much he may look like us. When Kal-el came to earth upon the destruction of Krypton, Jonathan and Martha Kent, not knowing who he was or where he came from, named him Clark and raised him as their own. Later on in his life Clark become aware of his TRUE IDENTITY as 'The Last Son of Krypton'. When Clark made the decision to use his abilities that he gains as Kryptonian in the light of earth's yellow sun, he is acknowledging his true nature. The Superman costume doesn't have a mask for that very reason...'Superman' is Kal-El in all his glory...Clark Kent with his glasses and non-confrontational personality is the mask. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.83.27.223 ( talk) 18:58, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
Apparently Fredric Wertham who is mentioned in the text was not a psychologist but a psychiatrist. AICrane ( talk) 00:05, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Bill Finger had no part in creating Batman, it was all Bob Kane. Bill Finger did not co-create, or anything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Football1607 ( talk • contribs) 14:57, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Batman definitely keeps psychological profiles in his enemies and allies as seen in JLA:Tower of Babel; Batman should be listed as being nearly every profession; the first 2 star trek science officers would similarly be listed. Category:Fictional polymath does not exist nor do I think it should. CensoredScribe ( talk) 00:54, 4 February 2014 (UTC),
Reliable sources do not commonly and consistently define Batman as a psychiatrist, psychologist, lion tamer, film critic, bureaucrat, Grateful Dead fan, member of the mile high club, exterminator, scofflaw, etc. As such, we do not add categories describing him as being any of these, even if you are certain that he is. - SummerPhD ( talk) 17:46, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
I think Batman is one of the best known works of psychological fiction. Batman sends his enemies to Arkham Asylum more often than Black Gate prison, and most of them have mental problem, except maybe Penguin and Doctor Death. Numerous story line point out than an Arkham psychologist would diagnose Batman with some form of mental disorder; most commonly split personality disorder like several of his enemies. An episode of Batman beyond with SPell Binder basically establishes this in the DCAU, the name he calls himself in his head should be Bruce Wayne not Batman; yet that is what he calls himself in his head. Batman was not listed as a chemist which is a skill he uses to create antidotes to joker toxin, fear gas, and poison Ivy's rare plant poisons. Most Super hero's do not display as many skills as Batman; whose page needs to reflect being a rare complete fictional polymath. I think most people would describe Batman as having every skill high enough he could at least be employed at it, more often in the comics he's the worlds second best at everything. Is Doctor Black Jack a surgeon because in the manga he is the worlds most talented surgeon, who is unlicensed thus by some definitions not a surgeon? CensoredScribe ( talk) 18:05, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
The page for Arkham Asylum mentions the words psychology and psychologist once each. CensoredScribe ( talk) 18:21, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
See also Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Comics#Super_hero.27s_and_villains_should_fall_under_several_categories_when_applicable - SummerPhD ( talk) 23:06, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Sherlock Holmes is listed as an amateur; and unlike Dick Greyson Batman is not a police officer. Should Batman be considered detective fiction? CensoredScribe ( talk) 16:47, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
Do sources actually identify Batman as a professional detective? The detective fictional detective category page is supposed to consist of sub categories; it needs quite a bit of sub categorization right now. CensoredScribe ( talk) 02:17, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
Howdy all, I just added some quick info on Damian Wayne to the Robin section - I don't own the comics, so I used online media reports. I hope this is acceptable. I also put a couple of sentences about Bluebird/Harper Row, as well as a link to the Bluebird page I made earlier, into the Robin section. I was a little uncertain on this point, though. Bluebird is another young ward and sidekick to Batman, and thus effectively a sixth Robin. However, she's not actually called Robin at all. Should she have her own section, should she remain in the "Robin" section, or does she belong in the Batman article at all?
I'd really value your feedback. TI. Gracchus ( talk) 07:41, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
Unlike most superheroes, Batman was born out of tragedy.This was told in many ways.They were just walking home from a Zorro Movie and walk threw a dark alley. Some guy named Joe Chill shot Thomas and Martha Wayne.Bruce ran home.He Swearers to avenge his parents to fight evil.When he grows up, he travels across the world to be trained by an assassin named Ra Sha Ghul.But Ra Sha Ghul wants Bruce to be an executioner.Bruce says no and sets his house on fire.Bruce Only Saves Ra Sha Ghul from the burning building.He comes back to Gotham to work out.He wanted to build a lair out of the cave he fell in as a child.He wanted something to inspire his costume so he could strike fear in the hearts of villains.So he remembered his childhood fear of bats.(That's why he's Batman). His friend Lucius Fox builds him awesome weapons ,armour ,and be vehicles.The Scarecrow was scaring the shit out of people with his mask and fear gas.Eventually The Scarecrow ends up in Arkham.But then Bruce has a party at his house.Ra Sha Ghul and his goons crash the party and set Wayne Manor on fire.(First of all Bruce did it for good.Ghul just wanted him dead). Anyway Alfred helps Bruce up from the floor and sends him to the Batcave. Bruce turns into the Batman,Hunts Ghul down and he dies from a train.(Not Bruce). Then Commissioner Gordon thanks Batman and asks him to capture this so called Red Hood. And so that's how Batman was born. This story is all just in the movie "Batman Begins".
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The file summary leaves me unclear as to where it came from. ArtistScientist ( talk) 12:42, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
According to Book and Magazine Collector Monthly (no 246) Bob Kane got the idea of 'the Batman' over a weekend, inspired by Da Vinci's drawings of bats as well as the films listed and then called in his old schoolfried Bill Finger for help. It also states he would have been called a costumed adventurer, not a superhero, that had yet to be coined (obviously it is not worth replacing all references to the word superhero and changing it to costumed adventurer). Detective Comics #27 was edited by Vin Sullivan. 89.242.157.137 ( talk) 18:41, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
I see influences such as the Shadow and Zorro named as inspirations for Batman (which quite obviously they were) but I believe there is another earlier influence which always seems to go unnoticed and which I believe should be mentioned and that is the similarities Batman has in both his original story and in most later film adaptations with Alexander Dumas’ the Count of Monte Cristo. Let me make my case.
Monte Cristo’s and Batman’s similarities.
1.The vow of revenge against the people who have wronged them and it is their primary motivation for what they do. The desire for Vengeance is mentioned in most Batman films in live action and animated forms. In the 1995 film Batman Forever it is stated that Batman believes revenge has become his whole life.
2.The dawning of a darker alter ego with unwavering convictions as to what they want to do. They both dress in black with capes.
3.They are both able to use an almost unlimited supply of money and resources towards their goals. They both also live in Mansions in large cities.
4.The use of allies/sidekicks. Batman has numerous people under him he can depend on for help and with similar goals to his. Alfred, Robin, Batgirl, Batwoman, Nightwing, and Lucius Fox. The Count of Monte Cristo had Luigi Vampa, Jacopo, Ali, Baptistin, Bertuccio, Benedetto and Princess Haydee all with their own helpful skills to assist him and with similar goals.
5.Detective skills. Monte Cristo and Batman both use intelligence and cunning to destroy their enemies.
6.Monte Cristo has an underground hideout/headquarters in a cave underneath the island of Monte Cristo which in some respects seems similar to the Batcave.
7.The training and refining of Bruce Wayne in Batman Begins (2005) by Ducard is also similar to the training Dantes receives from Abbe Faria. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.68.27.26 ( talk) 09:16, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
The Phantom's obvious influence on Batman needs to be mentioned somewhere in the article. It's obvious that Kane and/or Finger lifted Batman's white eyes with no pupils straight from Lee Falk's character, and such it needs to be recognized. It is detailly described in the Phantom article how Falk got the idea for his hero having no visible eyes behind his mask, and Batman, and countless other superheroes, took this straight from "The Ghost Who Walks". -- Kit Walker ( talk) 08:20, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Well, there are several reliable sources on how Falk came up with the idea of the white eyes from observing Greek busts, which usually did not have visible pupils. One of the best sources is an interview with Falk in the documentary "The Phantom: Comic Strip Crusader", which aired on A&E in 1996. I think it really warrants a brief mention in the Batman article under the "Creation" section if the likes of Doc Savage and The Shadow can get one simply by being "master sleuths and scientists"... It's obvious Batman as a character would look different if it wasn't for the Phantom. -- Kit Walker ( talk) 13:51, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
The Bill Finger article offers what appears to be a reliable source for the Phantom's influence on Batman. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Finger#cite_note-9 -- Kit Walker ( talk) 23:06, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
As I was just at the fictional history of Dick Grayson page and it was nominated for deletion and the result was keep. Here this is Batman worlds finest he has a long history and I have a feeling we should split this article off into two articles.
Fictional History of Batman (Like the fictional history of Dick Grayson Page)
Batman (Includes all information except the biography which will be incorperated into the page above)
This is just a thought. -- Schmeater ( talk) 18:28, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Is there a listing for the 'other' sort of batman, namely an orderly in the British army? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kobold123 ( talk • contribs) 05:04, 6 November 2009 (UTC) yeah a siptedrrte —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.80.15.184 ( talk) 04:39, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
The first words in the article are "The Batman", yet it's about the only time in the article the phrase is used to refer to the character. The most common way to refer to the character is by far "Batman". Like, 99.9% of the time this is what he's called. The opening should reflect this. Any opposing views? ArtistScientist ( talk) 14:56, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
On a related note, is it "the Batman" or "The Batman"? i.e., "I am the Batman" or "I am The Batman" -- Gadflyr ( talk) 13:43, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps someone who is more knowedgeable in the storyline might want to add this information at the end of the Modern Batman" section..?
"The World’s Greatest Detective is facing his toughest mystery.
Lost in the timestream, believed to be dead by his friends and enemies alike, Bruce Wayne must use every bit of intelligence, every ounce of strength and training he’s acquired over the years to find his way back to the city, and adopted family of vigilantes, he’d left behind.
Blasted by the mysterious and powerful Omega Effect in the pages of FINAL CRISIS during a deadly battle with the malevolent New God Darkseid, Bruce Wayne must battle back through the waves of time to reclaim what was his – his city, his life…his cowl?
From the kinetic and awe-inspiring imagination of writer Grant Morrison and an all-star cast of artists, including Chris Sprouse, who’ll handle art chores on the first issue, BATMAN: THE RETURN OF BRUCE WAYNE #1 (of 6) hits in April and will prove to be Bruce Wayne’s defining moment as a hero, and his toughest challenge yet."
Source: http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2009/12/09/dcu-in-2010-the-return-of-bruce-wayne-hits-in-april/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.119.229.163 ( talk) 16:45, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
I believe the simplest way woul be to indicate:
On December 9, 2009 DC announced that Bruce Wayne would be making his anticipated return in 2010. The storyline titled Return Of Bruce Wayne will consist of a six issue miniseries beginning in April of 2010. The series will follow Bruce Wayne in a journey through time, trying to find his way back to the present-day Gotham City he calls home.
The series will be written by Grant Morrison and feature a different artist on each issue. Morrison described the tales as: " Bruce Wayne's ultimate challenge — Batman vs. history itself!" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vaf2675 ( talk • contribs) 21:59, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
please chance it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.78.93.81 ( talk) 21:44, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
After watching Batman and Superman Public Enemies, Batman's abilities should be super strength, speed, and agility. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eupeyd ( talk • contribs) 06:06, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
How about no. Although, on separate occasions, he temporarily acquired several powers including Superman's. AltomareXD ( talk) 17:21, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Ok when I find you I'll tell you what I really think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eupeyd ( talk • contribs) 22:27, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Haha. What?! 129.139.1.68 ( talk) 15:32, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
I find it surprising that no one finds it worth mentioning that origionally Batman carried a gun and would kill people. Infact, Robin was created to give Batman a lighter tone. I feel that if the article is to even talk about the Golden Age Batman this should at least be mentioned (especially considering how in depth the article gets later on.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.5.65 ( talk) 17:42, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Why is it that Superman and Clark Kent are separate articles, yet Bruce Wayne is merely a brief paragraph within the Batman page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.52.147.84 ( talk) 04:14, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Because you're too lazy to make a decent Bruce Wayne article? You think the Clark Kent article MAGICALLY appeared? If you want a bigger Bruce Wayne article, MAKE ONE. 129.139.1.68 ( talk) 20:05, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I wanted to know where that section is or if there is one. Most wiki pages for comic book heroes have their powers/abilities but it seems like this page doesn't. I may be on the wrong page but this seems like where all of Batman(Bruce Wayne's alter ego)'s information belongs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.104.81.250 ( talk) 02:13, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
batman doesn't really have any powers. 71.112.117.210 ( talk) 00:36, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't it have at least he is a martial artist? Even Catwoman has her abilities listed.
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No mention of the name Bruno Diaz? Bruce Wayne is only Batman's civilian identity in english language versions of Batman. In other languages Bruce Wayne is named Bruno Diaz. No idea why. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.54.162.208 ( talk) 22:58, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
Uhm, who cares? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.161.167.125 ( talk) 05:18, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Well, actually the man has reason. A bit of reference in te Trivia part could be done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vortex36 ( talk • contribs) 18:56, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Then add the other identities on the other language wiki pages. 129.139.1.68 ( talk) 20:09, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Identity Crisis was 2002, not 2005 as it says in the Fictional character biography section under Modern Batman. It was 3 years before Infinite Crisis, which WAS 2005. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.54.162.208 ( talk) 23:36, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't have an account, but maybe someone can add this picture? Or a picture of the Azrael Batman? Since Dick Grayson's picture as Batman is on this page, maybe this one can be as well? It's a picture of Jean Paul Valley/Azrael as Batman, who becomes Batman after Bane breaks Bruce Wayne's back. Here's a picture: [[:Image:Det667.jpg|thumb|130px|left| Detective Comics #667 (1993). Art by Kelley Jones.]] (Here, this is the picture-- (File:Det667.jpg)) If not this picture, maybe another one with Azrael in his Batman costume. What does everyone think? 71.194.114.35 ( talk) 01:19, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
The portion that reads "...Kane disputed Finger's claims at having created the character." is false. It should read something like: "...Kane disputed Jerry Bails' claims that Finger created the character."
Portions of this article are taken from an article from which I quoted and submitted to Wiki a few years ago. In it, I demonstrated that Bill Finger is not the one who was saying he created The Batman. It seems that Jerry Bails and some of his friends had met Finger at his studio after a comic book convention at which he had explained how he helped Kane refine his idea. Bails in turn wrote an article in BATMANIA in which he (not Bill) claimed that Bill "really" created Batman. This caused an uproar that led to Kane's furious response, parts of which are also quoted in this article. Eventually in Steranko's History of the Comics, Bill clarified his involvement (especially how he came up with the "Bruce Wayne" monniker), but even with this, Kane was still attacked by some "fans" who distorted things while some comic book insiders insulted Bill with the jargon about "...being Fingered". MARK VENTURE ( talk) 21:03, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Other characters have their character flaws mentioned -- for example Tony Stark is an alcoholic -- but people seem to think that Batman is beyond criticism. I personally find it hilarious, but why was the fact that he uses torture and intrusive surveillance in his fight against crime removed from this article?
I'm looking for an image to add to the article simple:Batman. I have already added the Batmobile image as it is the only image in this article that is Creative Commons licensed. It is difficult to know what "fair use" means, different editors have very different ideas. I would like to know what image or images would be the most fair so that the simple:Batman article could have at least one or two pictures of Batman. -- Horkana ( talk) 23:55, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Dick Grayson should be listed under Batman's alter-ego(s) in the infobox.
Limbero ( talk) 19:59, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
What the blue blazes is this section?! Talk about undue emphasis in an article. This section is made up of taking small offhand comments from a few people and blowing them all out of proportion. It should be deleted as it's got nothing to do with Batman and seems like some sort of homosexual obsession. JettaMann ( talk) 21:34, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Now that Bruce Wayne is no longer the Batman, and ergo not just a sercret identity, combined with the fact that Clark Kent is a different article to Superman, I think that Bruce Wayne deserves his own article. I thought about restoring [1], but I decided to get some conseus first. What does everyone think of the idea? At the very least I believe he deserves his own article, if not the old revision I linked to. Harry Blue5 ( talk) 10:52, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
The Intro says "Wayne will return as Batman in Batman: The Return of Bruce Wayne". This is unconfirmed. Although I'm sure he will return as Batman, we don't know that that will actually happen in this series. All we know is that Bruce Wayne will return to current time. Gonna re-word it unless somebody finds a source saying that he will become Batman again this soon. ZODtheReaper ( talk) 02:35, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
This article basically glosses over the notion of The Batman having a son. How/when did this happen? Essentially a non-canon story, where the Batman married Talia and she became pregnant, somehow wound up as canon. In the storyline Talia concluded that she would never be able to keep Batman, she faked a miscarriage, and the marriage was dissolved. Now however at least a part of this storyline is canon. This kind of back-and-forth disruption of the timeline, which seems based on whoever the writer/artist team is at the time, renders a coherent background of any character in any part of the DC Universe impossible and irrelevant.-- 143.250.2.10 ( talk) 15:58, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
A cleanup page has been created for WP:FILMS' spotlight articles. One element that is being checked in ensuring the quality of the articles is the non-free images. Currently, one or more non-free images being used in this article are under discussion to determine if they should be removed from the article for not complying with non-free and fair use requirements. Please comment at the corresponding section within the image cleanup listing. Before contributing the discussion, please first read WP:FILMNFI concerning non-free images. Ideally the discussions pertaining to the spotlight articles will be concluded by the end of June, so please comment soon to ensure there is clear consensus. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 ( talk • contrib) 05:02, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
{{ editsemiprotected}} Okay, look I just want to change one thing okay. But if it doesn't go the way you like it. Then, I won't do it again.
Frankm.russo ( talk) 23:24, 3 July 2010 (UTC) That's it.
Will Murray tracked down the Shadow novel Bill Finger used as inspiration for the first Batman story, "The Case of the Chemical Syndicate" in Detective Comics #27. It's "Partners of Peril" from 1936. I wonder if this should be added to the article? Thanks! Darci ( talk) 18:14, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
I see that my edit that stated that Batman was also known as the Darknight Detective has been changed, even though he was known as that throughout the Seventies and Eighties. I am requesting it be changed back, since a Google search will show that I am right. jtmatbat ( talk) 07:45, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
I just Googled this and I can find no reference to him being called The Darknight Detective that's not a spelling mistake. In what era of comics was he called The Darknight Detective rather than The Dark Knight Detective? ScottMorris1 ( talk) 17:50, 4 March 2011
He is NOT gay, what the heck, he a been involved with so many chicks and bob kane never created him as gay. he is also the most sacrificial superhero and saved millions of heroes including supes himself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.165.41.15 ( talk) 15:20, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
not that there is anything wrong with that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.222.42.202 ( talk) 08:06, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
See also Homosexuality in Batman
This was brought up before but the bot pushed it to the archives. -- Horkana ( talk) 14:37, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
I notice that there are a large number of non-free images in this article, and, basically, I'm asking if the regular editors could review their use if possible- ensure that every image is required. Ideally, we should use as little non-free content as possible. I'm yet to look through it with a fine-toothed comb myself, but I am concerned there may be some unwarranted images. J Milburn ( talk) 20:07, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
This was brought up at least once before but the bot pushed it to the archives. -- Horkana ( talk) 14:37, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to put forth a suggestion. In advancing the article on Anarky, I've long ago expunged any excessive images. In order to replace these, I've pulled together many useful quotes that elaborate upon a topic. I highly recommend the same be done here. In many instances, the quotes can be more interesting than images. How many depictions of Batman do you need, when they just take up space that could be reserved for a quote by Bob Kane or Dennis O'Neil commenting on the character's development and impact? -- Cast ( talk) 18:30, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
I think we should at least mention Damian Wayne in this section because he has been referenced to becoming Batman after Bruce dies (he appeared as Batman in Batman #666 and #700, Superman/Batman #75, a vague reference in Teen Titans Vol. 3 #18, and DC One Million). JulezNossy ( talk) 17:40, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
I also think that it should mention something about terry mcginnis being batman (batman beyond) —Preceding
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The main profile picture of Batman needs an update. The character of Bruce Wayne has undergone a new costume change after his recent return since the events of DC Comics' major event "Final Crisis". I am able to provide a sufficient picture in .jpg format if needed.
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Not done for now:It's not necessary that the picture represent the most current image/costume. However, I'm not a regular editor of comic-book pages, so more experienced editors may disagree. For now I'll mark this as complete, but feel free to continue discussing. Qwyrxian ( talk) 10:45, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Batman was the first man to throw Superman off his feet without using kryponite or magic in the cartoon. Batman is able to dodge superhuman abilities at superhuman fast agility. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnthonyTheGod ( talk • contribs) 12:23, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
Just to say at the end of this section it is a bit misleading to say that Judd Winick returned to be Batman title. Yes this is true and deserves its place in the expanded section below or in the Batman (comic) page but the section where he is mentioned here only seems for defining moments. Winick came back for 3-4 issues and it was widely unremarkable at that. It would make sense to say batman was taken over by Tony Daniel for example whos run was much more notable and extensive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.81.66.129 ( talk) 23:19, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
"Batman's secret identity is Bruce Wayne" That is written in the article but it's not true. Bruce Wayne's secret identity is batman, not vice versa. It should be 'Batman's real name is Bruce Wayne' or something of the sort — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.157.80.183 ( talk) 23:35, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
You know and I know that Batman is called the Caped Crusader, the Dark Knight, etc. That's probably why no one's noticed till now that none of those names are cited. We're all going with the assumption of "everybody knows that" ... and we actually can't do that. those names seem to have been entered under the assumption of "common knowledge," which is disallowed — that's considered original research or non-cited POV.
Why is this important? Because one editor has been trying to add "the Darknight Detective" to that list, and is getting reverted. (Once by me, though that was because he was using a disallowed, non-RS source as citation.) Why is "Caped Crusader" allowed by "Darknight Detective" not? The only answer is POV ... in this case a sort of collective POV. But we actually do need to cite these things. Aside from general Wikipedia policy, it provides bright-line, objective justification for why one nickname is included and why another is not.
Certainly, with all the books written about Batman, we can find one or two RS cites each that refers to him as the Caped Crusader, etc. It shouldn't be hard. Otherwise, we really have no concrete, verifiable reason to include some nicknames but not others that are frequently used. -- Tenebrae ( talk) 21:15, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
I've added citations to Michael Fleisher's 1976 Batman Encyclopedia. Hope that helps. There's actually an entie paragraph of nicknames for Batman listed. Mtminchi08 ( talk) 07:38, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Here's a link for a Billboard article from March 5, 1966 which uses the term "Caped Crusader" "Zapp! Pow! Batman Enters Vending Scene"
Google Books now has many old magazines available online. There's a treasure trove of citations there! Mtminchi08 ( talk) 03:26, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
Note that the Caped Crusader name is apparently well known enough that it was the part of the title of one of the 80s Batman games, as shown on List_of_Batman_video_games. Aawood ( talk) 12:48, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
I think Bruce Wayne should be merged into this article of Batman because Bruce and Batman are one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.174.158 ( talk) 21:18, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
"In the original version of the story and the vast majority of retellings, Batman's secret identity is Bruce Wayne, an American millionaire"
Isn't Batman the secret identity of Bruce Wayne instead of Bruce Wayne being the secret identity of Batman? -- 80.60.87.138 ( talk) 05:16, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
But while Batman has been many different people, this article mainly surrounds Bruce Wayne, it mentions Dick Grayson, what aboutt Azreal and Terry McGinnis from Batman Beyond? Imthiyaz84 ( talk)
In Batman: Under The Red Hood, Batman was able to dodge a car easily! In the last episode of Justice League Unlimited, Batman impressed Darkseid by being the first being to ever dodge his death beam not even Superman can dodge it! Batman is able to dodge bullets and other impossible elements such as heat beam just like in Batman: Under The Red Hood. Batman with Robin in The Batman was able to beat a cyborg who had the powers of all the Justice League! Batman was able to survive a punch from an amazo in Batman The Red Hood. In Batman The Red Hood, Batman was able to escape buildings ready to blow and he didn't even need his bathanger to jump across building to building. In the comios he was able to survive being poisoned by Poison Ivy until she cured him. Superhuman means improved human and that is what Batman is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnthonyTheGamer ( talk • contribs) 20:06, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
Well they have showned that Batman has evolved throughout the series and in Wikipedia of the examples of superhuman, one of their examples is evolution. Lets think about it, can the Green Arrow do all the things like Batman can, also how many normal men can dodge a car thrown at them? ````AnthonyTheGod
If that is true about the artistic license then why are the 2000 century animators breaking Batman's character? In the 90s, he wasn't able to do all the things he can do now. Why are these cartoons of Batman nowadays make him look superhuman? AnthonyTheGamer ( talk) 08:59, 20 March 2011 (UTC)AnthonyTheGamer
To Doczilla you do realize that an internet forum is a discussion right? Where else am I going to find out why they are breaking Batman's artistic license, tell me? I understand but at least put on Batman's page why they keep evolving the character like on Superman's Wikipedia page. To Doczilla, I read the guidelines and you with the rest of Wikipedia editors are suppose to update any new events to Wikipedia's pages so then you are suppose to update if DC comics evolved Batman so answer the question that is part of your guidelines to "update". AnthonyTheGamer ( talk) 07:40, 30 March 2011 (UTC) AnthonyTheGamer
I know that all of you read the Batman comics but I don't think you watch the Batman cartoons. Somebody explain in the Batman page why he is able to do all of these non-human abilities? AnthonyTheGamer ( talk) 22:05, 11 April 2011 (UTC) AnthonyTheGamer
Can someone just labeled this way above title so someone will not get confused. AnthonyTheGamer ( talk) 08:08, 7 April 2011 (UTC) AnthonyTheGamer
This fella has a point. There is a Batman province in Turkey, the capital of which is also called Batman. Having the "(Comics)" part would help differentiate between the three ( 109.246.48.165 ( talk) 17:09, 28 November 2011 (UTC))
The quote from Bill Finger about naming Bruce Wayne appears twice in the article, in both the Publication History section and the Bruce Wayne subsection in Characterisation. While I can understand having either section state the information, I don't understand both of them using it. Additionally it's placed in 'Bruce Wayne' in a slightly clunky manner. Would somebody edit it out of that latter section? 82.37.246.236 ( talk) 14:01, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
The "Darknight Detective" title is a nickname that was rarely used in the 80s, but is no longer used. As such, it does not belong in the lede, which is an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important aspects. This is not an important aspect. I suggest that if it is insisted that this title is in the article, that it is placed somewhere within the article itself as opposed to the lede. Placing it in the lede gives undue weight to a nickname that is hardly ever used, giving the impression that this is a commonly attributed nickname, when it is not. This is why I removed it from the lede, as it doesn't belong there, sourced or not. - Sudo Ghost 13:45, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
In the opening paragraph it says Batman has appeared in "many of DC Comics' publications". A better wording would be Batman has appeared in publications by DC Comics or primarily in publications by DC Comics. - Chavando ( talk) 02:35, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
I see there to be no need for the homosexual section. It is citing a minor viewpoint and uses outdated references.-- Valkyrie Red ( talk) 00:08, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
-- rafaelcastrocouto ( talk) 18:34, 13 Jan 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.103.120.172 ( talk)
There should be an added subcategory about the various love interests whom Bruce Wayne/Batman had throughout the decades. Perhaps even a subcategory of some of the children he had as well.-- Splashen ( talk) 06:18, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Batman does indeed have a super power. He's very very rich. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.191.10.40 ( talk) 16:38, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Even though Terry McGinnis is Batman Beyond or Batman of the future, shouldn't he be under "partnerships" that is under his picture of Batman at the top? Superman and Batgirl and Robin are all under there. I understand that Nightwing isn't under there because they were never directly partners, but I believe Terry McGinnis or Batman Beyond should be, despite how far away he is in the timeline since superman and batgirl were not partners at the same time either.
This question is aimed at the wikipage on Batman.
I seem to recall that in the Batman comic series (some time probably during the 1960's) I recall Robin querying Batman about whether a suitable name for him would be "Batboy" rather than Robin. I think that this led to a (one off) story of Batman recounting that there had previously been a Batboy (who I think died). I wonder if any other readers or contributors could make a comment on this.
Jpmct ( talk) 13:26, 13 August 2011 (UTC)Jpmct
How come no mentions of the Rocksteady games Arkham Asylum and Arkham City?
CrocodilesAreForWimps ( talk) 18:53, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
While reading I noticed this, " While many characters have their histories significantly altered to attract newer, younger readers, Batman's history remains mostly intact". While this is somewhat true I think it lacks information, alot of fans hate The New 52 because of the assumption that the comic franchise was created as a permanent change in the heroes lives. Batman may have a new comic going on right now, altered reality, but its a continuation of the Flashpoint series, and will ultimately end in 5-10 years depending on how the story goes, so Batman's reality will revert back to how it was pre- new 52, and I feel this should be re-written by someone who can talk better and added to the section about Batman in the new 52. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1AndOnlyTheGoob ( talk • contribs) 09:09, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Should be moved and clarified: DKR is a solo title. -- 193.254.155.48 ( talk) 14:06, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
batman is AN AMERICAN Hero Please ADD It's Nationality — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saccyind ( talk • contribs) 13:02, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
In their adventures, what are the official dates of the Bruce Wayne's birth (day, number, year) and of the murder of his parents (day, number, year) ? IJKL ( talk) 09:04, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
I saw Batman in Batman Arkham City pull off a swell shutter with his hands. I saw Batman dodge a car in Batman Under The Red Hood. The comics must have the answers just like it was shown on Captain America's power level on Wikipedia's article. AnthonyTheGamer ( talk) 02:31, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
A few things guys:
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To Euchrid, I am not using original research so here is a fact: In Justice League Unlimited Episode 13 "The Once and Future Thing, Part 2: Time, Warped", Batman actually held one of the Jokerz by the leg, over a roof with one hand. It should be added to Batman's power and abilities that he can pick up a man with one hand. Agreed? AnthonyTheGamer ( talk) 18:20, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
In the television series, "The Batman" episode 59, production 507, episode name "Ring Toss", Batman temporarily has the Green Lantern's powers. Should be added because of primary source. AnthonyTheGamer ( talk) 02:56, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Batman is a fictional character and I've never really understood the tendency of the editors of this page to prevent his less admirable characteristics from being pointed out. I get it that fanboys are most likely to be the ones editing this page, but it's ridiculous nevertheless.
Here are some examples of what I'm talking about... You can't point out that Batman tortures people in his war on crime. You can't point out that he employs intrusive surveillance technology on the general public. You can't question his becoming a crime-boss in his own right under the persona of Matches Malone. Such things, and more, have happened in the Batman universe. I'm not gonna try to make any more edits along these lines in the main page, but do please note my displeasure with the lack of neutrality on this page. Batman is a billionaire fighting street crime while simultaneously engaged in white collar crime -- a critique other heroes (like Green Arrow & Anarky) have essentially pointed out. Nihilozero ( talk) 16:56, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
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This line is irrelevant. (However, the three sequels, Tim Burton's Batman Returns and director Joel Schumacher's Batman Forever and Batman & Robin, did not perform as well at the box office.)
They all grossed over 200,000,000 million dollars at the box office. They were planning another sequel with George Clooney, but cancelled it for creative reason's, not out of fear of it not making money. That has been said in many articles.
Holmes79 ( talk) 14:44, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
Fellow Batman fans. I am requesting, if possible, of anyone to expand the article of the graphic novel, Batman: Earth One, and creating an article for Batman novel, Wayne of Gotham, written by Tracy Hickman. Haven't read the latter yet, until I go to the library and borrow it.-- NeoBatfreak ( talk) 06:34, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
I came to this main Wikipedia Batman article after the Aurora Shooting to see if I could find the main movie story line that the Aurora shooter may have been trying to follow in his head. Granted, he may have been trying to follow a comic book story line instead, but as one who has far more knowledge of Batman movies than of comics, I felt that perhaps he might have been trying to follow the story line of the movies and not the comics. At any rate, I inserted the movie section, and the info about the Aurora Shooting, into the "Cultural impact" section because I thought that they might be helpful to other readers, and because I thought that the Aurora Shootings did have some "Cultural impact". I would hope that in light of this line of reasoning, that you might please allow me to re-insert this info into the article. Thanks, Scott P. ( talk) 12:20, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
I have just added two brief sentences to this effect in the Batman article. Scott P. ( talk) 16:27, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
At this point the only connection between the killings and Batman is they took place at a Batman film. All the rest - that he was emulating the Joker, that he was dressed as Bane, that he was obsessed with Batman - is pure speculation based on deeply circumstantial evidence. Euchrid ( talk) 21:01, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
OK my friends, delete any reference to the Aurora shooting incident. Still, you might want to take a look at what other editors have already done at the Dark Knight Rises article. There in an article about this Batman movie, other editors have already felt it appropriate to add an entire section about this incident. I will revisit this question in a month or so here. Scott P. ( talk) 23:54, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
SO I read through the archives. It appears that everyone is in agreement that the section is not necessary. Some people state that they don't have a problem with it but think its over weighted. I agree its over weighted considering that currently the paragraph is twice the size of the paragraph about batman equipment (go ahead and laugh). The weapons and tools batman uses are far more important then if the writers tried to imply he is gay. No one of significance has expressed the views. The whole paragraph is about the writers, not the character they created. Its one writer or reader talking about another writer or reader. To step away what if some writer came forward and said that Wonder women was w hermaphrodite. Surely someone could find some manly pose or statement, one might find a picture with a large atoms apple. Why would we give that writers view any importance? If people are talking about it they have never talked to me about it. Just leave it in the shadows. Don't bring down or alter the whole characters because some writer after the fact wants some attention or wants to push some agenda. I think there are 2 real options either shorten the section to a paragraph or 2 or simply delete it all together. Since it has been discussed to much already lets just put it to a vote. Mantion ( talk) 10:26, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
08/11/2012- Prove you resources as to why this is an entire section. Could it be because it is election year? You are showing a complete bias and I would like to see your stats and resources showing that most people are in favor for the Homosexual section ion this page. Why would I want my 8 yr old daughter to research batman on here only for to ask my what does homosexual mean? Has it ever been written for fact in the comics that batman was gay? No! Even when you used Grant Morrison's quotes, you only used the portion that said it was gay, not the portion that said it was a gay concept. You have even exaggerated Grant's role in Batman, he was in DC Comics since 2006. The big question is, "Why is this even up for discussion"? If you are going to write a homosexual interpretation, you should write a Heterosexual interpretation. I am going to request that this page loses it semi-protected status, after all, you do not work for DC comics any way. — Preceding
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Correct spelling of "principle" to "principal" in "principle antagonists" under "The New 52 Relaunch" section of the "Batman" entry. Ljz201 ( talk) 03:20, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
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The fourth sentence of this section states:
But in the cited source, Forbes Magazine "The Forbes Fictional 15" Bruce Wayne is listed as the 8th richest fictional character, and Tony Stark at 5th. 6th and 9th richest point instead toward Richie Rich, and Forrest Gump respectively. Also note that it is the civilian personas (i.e. Stark and Wayne) who are wealthy, rather than their hero counterparts (i.e. Iron Man and Batman); as listed in the cited article. The sentence should be edited to reflect this as well.
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Really? What would warrant a entire section to this? 08/11/2012- Prove your resources as to why this is an entire section. Could it be because it is election year? You are showing a complete bias and I would like to see your stats and resources showing that most people are in favor for the Homosexual section ion this page. Why would I want my 8 yr old daughter to research batman on here only for to ask my what does homosexual mean? Has it ever been written for fact in the comics that batman was gay? No! Even when you used Grant Morrison's quotes, you only used the portion that said it was gay, not the portion that said it was a gay concept. You have even exaggerated Grant's role in Batman, he was in DC Comics since 2006. The big question is, "Why is this even up for discussion"? If you are going to write a homosexual interpretation, you should write a Heterosexual interpretation. I am going to request that this page loses it semi-protected status, after all, you do not work for DC comics any way.
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Again, you need to provide why there is a whole section dedicated to this unless you are homosexual trying to support a cause. Where is the heterosexual section?...case and point. This will continue to be a discussion until you come up with something better than " The sources are all verifiable and reliable, all the statements accurately reflect statements made by notable people". You have already violated Wikipedia with a half quotation from Grant without providing all of the information pertaining that statement. Trust me, I will make sure that this article semi-protection status is dismissed. Just because you are comfortable with spreading propaganda under the disguise of dialogue, edit it. You have yet to thoroughly explain why this is a section. Again, you do not work for DC comics and your agenda is very clear. Where is the hetero section? What are we supposed to be critically studying? It would have been more appropriate to have a label "Batman in Pop culture" or perhaps modern views of Batman but no, your ever so clear intentions are showing. Time to escalate this issue to higher powers. Rfrf101 ( talk) 05:43, 12 August 2012 (UTC)rfrf101
Weak argument and your answer still doesn't answer the basic questions. As I said before, you do NOT work for DC Comics. You are in violation. This article will lose it semi protection status. Rfrf101 ( talk) 18:24, 12 August 2012 (UTC)rfrf101
We see what bile and libel has done for this page, it created an entire section without full and proper quotations in the context it was put in and propaganda. That is plagiarism.
rfrf101, again, we are not censored for minors or morals. This means we do not conform to any one belief system's worldview, and while we do take measures to not show blatant pornography (by American standards) we will not refuse to disseminate information that is reinforced by reliable sources that have been properly cited, even if it would cause offense. Any arguments you make have to bear in mind this section is cited quite strongly and won't be edited just to appease your manufactured moral outrage that would make Mary Whitehouse or Patricia Pulling turn over in their graves. It's also worth noting that if someone here is working for DC Comics, they would have already disclosed this information - hiding things has a history of biting editors in the ass. — Jeremy v^_^v Bori! 05:10, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
I think this is one of the many inherent weaknesses with Wikipedia. I keep seeing one editor claim that removing the homosexuality section is POV pushing, but I would argue that including that section is POV pushing and giving undue weight to, let's face it, a stupid and almost childish subject. Interpreting the Batman series as homosexual in nature is POV. There is nothing of substance to support these claims. The section itself really has nothing to do with Batman and mostly has to do with moral panic and a few people's opinions on Batman, so I'm not even sure why it's included in this article.
On a side note, Grant Morrison's reasoning is particularly ridiculous. A man being more devoted to his job/duty/cause than your typical pleasures, such as women, is a common theme in fiction. This theme has never been about implying homosexuality, it has been about implying devotion to a cause. Besides this, the assumption that not being interested in women automatically makes you a homosexual is equally ridiculous. Asexuals exist, as do people too devoted to their work to be in a relationship. I could go on and punch any number of holes in the incredibly shallow reasoning, but it's not really important.
By this standard, ANYONE discussing ANYTHING about Batman could warrant inclusion in this article...regardless of its frivolous nature or unfounded claims. If enough people discuss and make interpretations that Batman is a pedophile, will that also be included in the article? A shoe sniffer? Where do you draw the line for what garbage you include? All it takes is some fool to write a book and for people to talk about it, and then it's encyclopedia worthy? Again, a weakness in this format. "The Sexuality of Abraham Lincoln" is a prime example of this weakness. One idiot writes a book with his offhand interpretations, some people blog about the book, and suddenly it is bulletproof behind the notability standard...and has an entire article of its own despite the fact that it's completely dubious and based on hearsay. Ridiculous.
People are aware that differing opinions and interpretations exist for any given character or person. Even if these subjects become widespread topics of discussion, they really AREN'T notable or relevant for direct inclusion in an article about 99% of the time. These sections never give deeper insight into the article's subject. They pretty much always serve to push a viewpoint, agenda, or to have the subject in question become more ubiquitous.
You can go ahead and cite a bunch of Wikipedia rules that state that you are, in fact, obeying all the rules by including this section in this article. I really don't care about that, because we all know this section is stupid and that the rules that allow tabloid-esque sections like this to be included are stupid. We also know that one of the only reasons that this section is even still here is because it's related to homosexuality, and removing any section or article related to homosexuality is automatically seen as homophobic no matter how ridiculous its inclusion is.
There needs to be a change in the way Wikipedia handles gossip or opinion pieces like this. It simply is not worthy of being in an Encyclopedia. BeardedScholar ( talk) 04:02, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
Bonus points for claiming to know more about Batman than the character's principle writer of the last six years. Euchrid ( talk) 04:57, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
i think wee need a new picture for this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Batman_Lee.png Batman has now since more than a year a new costume!!! 87.78.99.160 ( talk) 11:39, 5 September 2012 (UTC)--
Maybe we should make an article about the Death of the Family arc. What do you say? -- Leader Vladimir ( talk) 16:14, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
Shouldn't the last paragraph of Suporting characters be changed (Other supporting characters in the Batman's world include former Batgirl Barbara Gordon....) because Barbara is currently back in the batgirl role and it has been re established that she has been the only one. So she is no longer Former — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattythebassman ( talk • contribs) 02:26, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
I thought Gardner Fox wrote Batman's origin in Detective #33? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.185.3.155 ( talk) 05:25, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Dick Grayson is the Batman for a short amount of time while Bruce Wayne is supposedly dead. Shouldn't he be included under the alter ego section? 72.74.136.49 ( talk) 01:48, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Rather than an edit war, can we please have a discussion about whether Batman should be referred to as 'who' or 'that' in the lede? My reasoning for the former is simply that it seems to be the precedent - I've looked over several significant articles about fictional characters, such as Sherlock Holmes, Superman and Robin Hood, and none of them use 'that'. If there's a policy or guideline that I'm unaware of, though, I'm happy to have it pointed out. Thanks. Euchrid ( talk) 07:26, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
The article says Batman's most defining characteristic is his refusal to kill. There is no citation for this. As I think many people would consider his most defining characteristic to be his lack of superpowers, this should probably be changed or at least require some sort of citation. -- 64.129.32.18 ( talk) 21:30, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm not saying it is or is not a copyright violation, but I am suggesting that for legal reasons the copyright concerns should be discussed and cleared up before the text is reinserted into the article. Dougweller if you don't mind me asking, what is this edit infringing upon? - Sudo Ghost 10:37, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
If you follow the link to Batman s mother's page it states she is of Irish descent So that would make the character of Irish descent so can someone edit that in please?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Wayne
Should we make an article about Zero Year? It's the next major Batman event that re-tells Batman's first year in Gotham. Leader Vladimir ( talk) 22:58, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Considering how much the work of Grant Morrison helped redefine the Batman franchise for DC Comics, I think a new section should be made for Grant Morrison's work in the publication history. Leader Vladimir ( talk) 20:43, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
This article implies that 'Batman' is Bruce Wayne's 'true persona' rather than his secret identity and contrasts this by saying that 'Superman' is Clark Kent's secret identity and that his super hero persona is his mask. This is entirely unfounded in the very origins of each character. Bruce Wayne is a human and he was born on earth and he was given the name and identity of 'Bruce Wayne' when he was born, He created Batman and a means to fight crime. Bruce Wayne trained himself and created this persona in which he wears a mask and a costume to fight evil. For Superman, the opposite is true. He was born to Jor-El and Laura on Krypton and he was given the name Kal-el...he is NOT human, no matter how much he may look like us. When Kal-el came to earth upon the destruction of Krypton, Jonathan and Martha Kent, not knowing who he was or where he came from, named him Clark and raised him as their own. Later on in his life Clark become aware of his TRUE IDENTITY as 'The Last Son of Krypton'. When Clark made the decision to use his abilities that he gains as Kryptonian in the light of earth's yellow sun, he is acknowledging his true nature. The Superman costume doesn't have a mask for that very reason...'Superman' is Kal-El in all his glory...Clark Kent with his glasses and non-confrontational personality is the mask. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.83.27.223 ( talk) 18:58, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
Apparently Fredric Wertham who is mentioned in the text was not a psychologist but a psychiatrist. AICrane ( talk) 00:05, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Bill Finger had no part in creating Batman, it was all Bob Kane. Bill Finger did not co-create, or anything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Football1607 ( talk • contribs) 14:57, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Batman definitely keeps psychological profiles in his enemies and allies as seen in JLA:Tower of Babel; Batman should be listed as being nearly every profession; the first 2 star trek science officers would similarly be listed. Category:Fictional polymath does not exist nor do I think it should. CensoredScribe ( talk) 00:54, 4 February 2014 (UTC),
Reliable sources do not commonly and consistently define Batman as a psychiatrist, psychologist, lion tamer, film critic, bureaucrat, Grateful Dead fan, member of the mile high club, exterminator, scofflaw, etc. As such, we do not add categories describing him as being any of these, even if you are certain that he is. - SummerPhD ( talk) 17:46, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
I think Batman is one of the best known works of psychological fiction. Batman sends his enemies to Arkham Asylum more often than Black Gate prison, and most of them have mental problem, except maybe Penguin and Doctor Death. Numerous story line point out than an Arkham psychologist would diagnose Batman with some form of mental disorder; most commonly split personality disorder like several of his enemies. An episode of Batman beyond with SPell Binder basically establishes this in the DCAU, the name he calls himself in his head should be Bruce Wayne not Batman; yet that is what he calls himself in his head. Batman was not listed as a chemist which is a skill he uses to create antidotes to joker toxin, fear gas, and poison Ivy's rare plant poisons. Most Super hero's do not display as many skills as Batman; whose page needs to reflect being a rare complete fictional polymath. I think most people would describe Batman as having every skill high enough he could at least be employed at it, more often in the comics he's the worlds second best at everything. Is Doctor Black Jack a surgeon because in the manga he is the worlds most talented surgeon, who is unlicensed thus by some definitions not a surgeon? CensoredScribe ( talk) 18:05, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
The page for Arkham Asylum mentions the words psychology and psychologist once each. CensoredScribe ( talk) 18:21, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
See also Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Comics#Super_hero.27s_and_villains_should_fall_under_several_categories_when_applicable - SummerPhD ( talk) 23:06, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Sherlock Holmes is listed as an amateur; and unlike Dick Greyson Batman is not a police officer. Should Batman be considered detective fiction? CensoredScribe ( talk) 16:47, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
Do sources actually identify Batman as a professional detective? The detective fictional detective category page is supposed to consist of sub categories; it needs quite a bit of sub categorization right now. CensoredScribe ( talk) 02:17, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
Howdy all, I just added some quick info on Damian Wayne to the Robin section - I don't own the comics, so I used online media reports. I hope this is acceptable. I also put a couple of sentences about Bluebird/Harper Row, as well as a link to the Bluebird page I made earlier, into the Robin section. I was a little uncertain on this point, though. Bluebird is another young ward and sidekick to Batman, and thus effectively a sixth Robin. However, she's not actually called Robin at all. Should she have her own section, should she remain in the "Robin" section, or does she belong in the Batman article at all?
I'd really value your feedback. TI. Gracchus ( talk) 07:41, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
Unlike most superheroes, Batman was born out of tragedy.This was told in many ways.They were just walking home from a Zorro Movie and walk threw a dark alley. Some guy named Joe Chill shot Thomas and Martha Wayne.Bruce ran home.He Swearers to avenge his parents to fight evil.When he grows up, he travels across the world to be trained by an assassin named Ra Sha Ghul.But Ra Sha Ghul wants Bruce to be an executioner.Bruce says no and sets his house on fire.Bruce Only Saves Ra Sha Ghul from the burning building.He comes back to Gotham to work out.He wanted to build a lair out of the cave he fell in as a child.He wanted something to inspire his costume so he could strike fear in the hearts of villains.So he remembered his childhood fear of bats.(That's why he's Batman). His friend Lucius Fox builds him awesome weapons ,armour ,and be vehicles.The Scarecrow was scaring the shit out of people with his mask and fear gas.Eventually The Scarecrow ends up in Arkham.But then Bruce has a party at his house.Ra Sha Ghul and his goons crash the party and set Wayne Manor on fire.(First of all Bruce did it for good.Ghul just wanted him dead). Anyway Alfred helps Bruce up from the floor and sends him to the Batcave. Bruce turns into the Batman,Hunts Ghul down and he dies from a train.(Not Bruce). Then Commissioner Gordon thanks Batman and asks him to capture this so called Red Hood. And so that's how Batman was born. This story is all just in the movie "Batman Begins".