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My first edit in this article [1] was moved from Alcoholic beverage#Drug were I wrote about it first. -- David Hedlund ( talk) 04:12, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
The name of this article, alcohol (drug), will hopefully improve Wikipedia articles significantly by using a link that clearly states that alcohol is a drug.
Drug facilitated sexual assault (DFSA) is one of many articles that missed this point at several places. For instance, the lead said: "Drug-facilitated sexual assault (DFSA), also known as predator rape, is a sexual assault carried out after the victim has become incapacitated due to having consumed drugs or alcohol." [2] In fact, alcohol is the most commonly used predator drug in DFSAs. -- David Hedlund ( talk) 05:09, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Added I replaced "alcohol or drugs" with " alcohol or other drugs" in over 100 articles. -- David Hedlund ( talk) 08:13, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
I will make 3 simple suggestions, so that I do not have to become a scourge to this article:
All I have to say on this. Le Prof Leprof 7272 ( talk) 10:24, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
I have opened a discussion at wp:ANI as I am concerned by the widespread editing of articles ranging from Andy Rooney to Sleep. Looking at the statement about the creation of the article for the purpose of making it clear that the Alcohol is a drug, it seems clear that a PoV (one I think I probably would support, but that is entirely a personal point of view) push is the stated intention of the article and associated widespread edits. Unfriend14 ( talk) 23:33, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
The article repeatedly uses the term "alcohol" - even in the lead! - incorrectly. "Alcohol" is the name of a class of chemicals. It includes hundreds of compounds, most of which are not consumable. For example, methanol (wood alcohol) is an alcohol. Isopropyl alcohol (rubbing alcohol) is an alcohol. The word "alcohol" should be changed to "ethanol" in the lead, and in at least enough other places to illustrate that we know what we are talking about. I see that this article has been controversial, so I am not going to boldly change it right now; I'd like input from others about how Wikipedia uses the word "alcohol". -- MelanieN ( talk) 16:06, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
Let's work on a better wording for the lead. Here for reference are the current lead sentences: In medicine, alcohol, colloquially known as beverage alcohol, or drinking alcohol, is a class of chemical compounds[3][4] with anxiolytic, euphoriant, depressant, hypnotic and sedative, and physical dependence effects. Alcohol is one of the most commonly abused drugs in the world (Meropol, 1996)[5] and part of the drinking culture. How about something like this, feel free to edit. -- MelanieN ( talk) 18:43, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
OK, let me try again. I agree with you BTW. -- MelanieN ( talk) 18:58, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
References
This sentence is misleading and is not supported by the cited book:
However, in other beverages, such as Korn, vodka, and lagers, the presence of alcohols other than ethanol is considered fusel alcohols. [1]
I believe the sentence should be deleted. JoeSperrazza ( talk) 16:09, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
References
Can anyone please add Template:Drugclassbox to the article? -- David Hedlund SWE ( Talk) 15:08, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
I recommend benzodiazepine as a template to make this article pharmacological. -- David Hedlund SWE ( Talk) 17:24, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
I just want to suggest that the table of beverage alcohols that used to be in this article would be appropriate to include in the alcohol by volume article. ~ Amatulić ( talk) 20:08, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
There appears to be major confusion about what "alcohol" means in the context of this article. Before it makes a complete fool of itself we need to define its scope and the reason for its existence as a separate article (on which topic I must concede that I am a sceptic).
Its creator started the article with mission to state that "alcohol is a drug" and later posted a template stating that it was not to be confused with ethanol, (despite the fact that ethanol is the only legal alcohol in a significant concentration in alcoholic beverages.) There followed a period of development in which there was discussion and tabulation of alcohols beyond ethanol, including alcohols that are flavor constituents of alcoholic beverages.
So what alcohols are of interest to this article? In the alcohol world, ethanol, methanol and isopropanol are among the simplest possible inhabitants. Alcohol groups are everywhere. The hydroxyl group is one of the fundamental groups of the organic compounds that make up life, as are carboxyl, carbonyl, methyl groups etc, and is almost ubiquitous. If we are seriously concerned here with the pharmacology of all alcohols then we have to take on board the facts that the following compounds are also alcohols: Aspirin, Paracetomol, Morphine, Codeine, Nalbuphine, Oxymorphone, Naloxone, Tubocurarine chloride, Lorazepam, Propofol, Vitamin D, glucose, glycerol, menthol. Are we seriously suggesting that we open this article up to discussion of all alcohol "drugs" (itself an ill-defined term) and essential dietary constituents that contain -OH groups. The idea is risible. I think this article stems from the misguided desire to state a point of view about alcohol abuse, and that its scope has not been properly thought through. I suggest that there is nothing in this article that cannot be condensed into brief sections in other articles if it is not already there, and that this article does not need to stand alone, is not justifying its separate existence. I suggest that anything of any value is moved to an appropriate article and that this article be closed. Plantsurfer ( talk) 00:46, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
Regarding prior issues noted, I was unaware. I just would like to suggest that we be careful to divide and conquer the issues as needed. I see three:
Thanks, JoeSperrazza ( talk) 16:48, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
How about this course of action:
I don't believe this article should be deleted outright due to the large number of existing links that will be broken. The piece-meal approach I describe would be least disruptive. ~ Amatulić ( talk) 19:24, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Steps 1 and 2 described at the beginning of this section are now complete. This article is now in Draft space. There's also material that can be drawn from User:David Hedlund/Alcohol (drug). ~ Amatulić ( talk) 16:01, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
These are the sections of the article. Should we comment here about what should be done/has been done about them? -- MelanieN ( talk) 21:29, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
I recommend blanking out sections as they get merged, to avoid confusion.
At first glance it seems obvious to look at the articles with the same title.
We already have Alcohol consumption, which redirects to Alcoholic beverage#Human consumption, a section that no longer exists in that article probably because David pulled it out of there and put it here. I wouldn't object to putting it back, or even making alcohol consumption a separate article.
Also, we already have articles on alcoholism, alcohol abuse, alcohol dependence. These seem to be obvious targets for those sections.
Alcohol-related crime already redirects to alcohol abuse so maybe we could merge it there. ~ Amatulić ( talk) 18:01, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Bikermanish, Doc James, While many of the changes are good, I am concerned that recent edits have resulted in a substantial loss of content. Compare this version [7] with the current version [8]. Additionally, the new content has disrupted the previous layout which followed WP:PHARMMOS, a style guide which I believe should not be departed from without good reason.
The furious pace of edits on this fairly new article by a two new accounts ( Givemeabreak123 being the other), one of whom clearly has prior editing experience, also raises some questions about a possible connection with David Hedlund who advocated for the creation of an article under this name. Sizeofint ( talk) 20:09, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
Also, while I am in favor of consolidating, I am not certain if removing all information on health effects from related pages such as Alcoholic drink is the way to go about this. I think a better approach would be to include this information WP:SUMMARYSTYLE where appropriate. Sizeofint ( talk) 20:12, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Alcohol_(drug)#Adverse_effects
This section needs expanding. Alcohol hinders the mind, reducing coordination, reaction, judgement, etc. Benjamin ( talk) 08:03, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
Putting it bluntly in the section title. This article is an unresolvable WP:POVFORK right from its title, and was created with that in mind by a now-indeffed (for the fourth time) POV-pushing editor. It has been used as a WP:COATRACK, and was hastily assembled by cutting parts out of more NPOV, better balanced articles. I propose, plainly, that this article be disassembled back to the appropriate original articles, and the title either outright deleted, or at the least made a redirect to ethanol, the only substance for which the title really applies (ignoring for a moment isopropyl's use as a topical disinfectant, which itself is alcohol-as-a-drug, meaning the title of this article is completely inappropriate). Frankly, it should have been done years ago, from the beginning, as a prompt and blunt reversal and refutation of the obvious from the start POV-pushing. oknazevad ( talk) 20:43, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
One of the confusions we have is we have articles titled using the common name for "ethanol" which is "alcohol" such as this one and we have articles titled using the chemical name for the group of compounds which includes "ethanol" but also a number of other compounds which is alcohol such as "alcohol (medicine)". I think at this point using the common name is not appropriate as it makes things confusing and we should move entirely to the technical (correct/less ambiguous) terms. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 02:15, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
Thoughts? Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 02:18, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
As an FYI, I moved Alcohol (medicine) to Alcohols in medicine, as that tile was also suggested by a comment on that article's talk page. oknazevad ( talk) 20:52, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
"Alcohol causes considerable societal damage including suppression of psychological inhibitions, which may increase the risk for activities such as impulsive sex, drunk dialing, and alcohol-related crimes such as public intoxication, and drunk driving."
This implies impulsive sex and drunk dialing causes considerable societal damage. I fail to see how. Kauri0.o ( talk) 21:44, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkoholkonsum would I think be adequate -- Stephphie ( talk) 08:57, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
This article looks to be filled with WP:MEDRS-violating claims that fail to cite proper studies, such as meta-analyses or systematic reviews. Although I expect moralistic objections to removing "alcohol bad" claims, Wikipedia is not here to be your Mom. Wikipedia is here to describe only acceptably-sourced information. MarshallKe ( talk) 12:55, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
Should it be added to the history section of the page on alcohol that the word comes from Arabic?
asking for an opinion from more experienced wikipedians. The Duke of Mars ( talk) 17:56, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
This section starts out by stating that one of the most important drug/food interactions is between alcohol and Metronidazole but the rest of that section doesn't explain why it's important in any way. I was wondering if it'd be best to remove that line or, if it exists, add to that part to explain why this interaction is so important. Erzloq ( talk) 18:49, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
I already merged Alcohol-related crime into Alcohol (drug), but @ Piotrus objected and reverted the blank-and-redirect part. So here's a formal topic to decide whether to actually merge. I think the pages have substantial overlap and the information from Alcohol-related crime works well in the discussion of social harm in Alcohol (drug) ( permalink). Many of the crimes were listed on both pages under similar headings. And once the information is in Alcohol (drug), it's only logical to avoid being WP:REDUNDANT and turn Alcohol-related crime into a redirect. I also removed the term alcohol-related crimes as it didn't seem to add much beyond its dictionary definition - the second source [9] in the lead mentions that the term is not precisely defined and varies across publications. The other argument for merging is article size. Before the merge Alcohol (drug) was 34kb / 5144 words and the crime article was basically a stub, 7kb or 1166 words. After the merge Alcohol (drug) is 41kb or 6187 words, still nowhere near any thresholds in WP:ARTICLESIZE. Mathnerd314159 ( talk) 05:39, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
From the article:
Many emergency room visits involve alcohol use.
First, this sentence clearly means that people are drinking inside the ER as part of their treatment. Was that really the intention?
Second, this sentence implies that people are visiting emergency because alcohol itself has injured them or made them ill, which is a major claim requiring specific proof (e.g. documented number of ethanol poisonings per year, documented number of accidents proven to be primarily caused by alcohol, etc.) Or, if the claim is merely that people who are drunk often show up at the emergency department for non-medical or marginally valid reasons, then clearly state that. TooManyFingers ( talk) 05:35, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
I have been working on expanding a discussion of the ADME of ethanol. Currently this article is at 7.5k words, with the expansion it would be past the 8k mark mentioned in WP:SIZERULE. The pharmacology overlaps with several other articles, such as Blood alcohol concentration#Metabolism, Alcohol_intoxication#Pathophysiology, Ethanol metabolism, Auto-brewery_syndrome#Metabolic_action. So I was thinking I would split out the whole section to a new Pharmacology of ethanol article. It doesn't seem too controversial as there are articles named like Pharmacology of progesterone, Pharmacodynamics of estradiol, etc. but maybe someone has an idea on what the exact scope of the new article should be (pharmacology, pharmacodynamics, or pharmacokinetics). Mathnerd314159 ( talk) 23:30, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
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My first edit in this article [1] was moved from Alcoholic beverage#Drug were I wrote about it first. -- David Hedlund ( talk) 04:12, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
The name of this article, alcohol (drug), will hopefully improve Wikipedia articles significantly by using a link that clearly states that alcohol is a drug.
Drug facilitated sexual assault (DFSA) is one of many articles that missed this point at several places. For instance, the lead said: "Drug-facilitated sexual assault (DFSA), also known as predator rape, is a sexual assault carried out after the victim has become incapacitated due to having consumed drugs or alcohol." [2] In fact, alcohol is the most commonly used predator drug in DFSAs. -- David Hedlund ( talk) 05:09, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Added I replaced "alcohol or drugs" with " alcohol or other drugs" in over 100 articles. -- David Hedlund ( talk) 08:13, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
I will make 3 simple suggestions, so that I do not have to become a scourge to this article:
All I have to say on this. Le Prof Leprof 7272 ( talk) 10:24, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
I have opened a discussion at wp:ANI as I am concerned by the widespread editing of articles ranging from Andy Rooney to Sleep. Looking at the statement about the creation of the article for the purpose of making it clear that the Alcohol is a drug, it seems clear that a PoV (one I think I probably would support, but that is entirely a personal point of view) push is the stated intention of the article and associated widespread edits. Unfriend14 ( talk) 23:33, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
The article repeatedly uses the term "alcohol" - even in the lead! - incorrectly. "Alcohol" is the name of a class of chemicals. It includes hundreds of compounds, most of which are not consumable. For example, methanol (wood alcohol) is an alcohol. Isopropyl alcohol (rubbing alcohol) is an alcohol. The word "alcohol" should be changed to "ethanol" in the lead, and in at least enough other places to illustrate that we know what we are talking about. I see that this article has been controversial, so I am not going to boldly change it right now; I'd like input from others about how Wikipedia uses the word "alcohol". -- MelanieN ( talk) 16:06, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
Let's work on a better wording for the lead. Here for reference are the current lead sentences: In medicine, alcohol, colloquially known as beverage alcohol, or drinking alcohol, is a class of chemical compounds[3][4] with anxiolytic, euphoriant, depressant, hypnotic and sedative, and physical dependence effects. Alcohol is one of the most commonly abused drugs in the world (Meropol, 1996)[5] and part of the drinking culture. How about something like this, feel free to edit. -- MelanieN ( talk) 18:43, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
OK, let me try again. I agree with you BTW. -- MelanieN ( talk) 18:58, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
References
This sentence is misleading and is not supported by the cited book:
However, in other beverages, such as Korn, vodka, and lagers, the presence of alcohols other than ethanol is considered fusel alcohols. [1]
I believe the sentence should be deleted. JoeSperrazza ( talk) 16:09, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
References
Can anyone please add Template:Drugclassbox to the article? -- David Hedlund SWE ( Talk) 15:08, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
I recommend benzodiazepine as a template to make this article pharmacological. -- David Hedlund SWE ( Talk) 17:24, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
I just want to suggest that the table of beverage alcohols that used to be in this article would be appropriate to include in the alcohol by volume article. ~ Amatulić ( talk) 20:08, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
There appears to be major confusion about what "alcohol" means in the context of this article. Before it makes a complete fool of itself we need to define its scope and the reason for its existence as a separate article (on which topic I must concede that I am a sceptic).
Its creator started the article with mission to state that "alcohol is a drug" and later posted a template stating that it was not to be confused with ethanol, (despite the fact that ethanol is the only legal alcohol in a significant concentration in alcoholic beverages.) There followed a period of development in which there was discussion and tabulation of alcohols beyond ethanol, including alcohols that are flavor constituents of alcoholic beverages.
So what alcohols are of interest to this article? In the alcohol world, ethanol, methanol and isopropanol are among the simplest possible inhabitants. Alcohol groups are everywhere. The hydroxyl group is one of the fundamental groups of the organic compounds that make up life, as are carboxyl, carbonyl, methyl groups etc, and is almost ubiquitous. If we are seriously concerned here with the pharmacology of all alcohols then we have to take on board the facts that the following compounds are also alcohols: Aspirin, Paracetomol, Morphine, Codeine, Nalbuphine, Oxymorphone, Naloxone, Tubocurarine chloride, Lorazepam, Propofol, Vitamin D, glucose, glycerol, menthol. Are we seriously suggesting that we open this article up to discussion of all alcohol "drugs" (itself an ill-defined term) and essential dietary constituents that contain -OH groups. The idea is risible. I think this article stems from the misguided desire to state a point of view about alcohol abuse, and that its scope has not been properly thought through. I suggest that there is nothing in this article that cannot be condensed into brief sections in other articles if it is not already there, and that this article does not need to stand alone, is not justifying its separate existence. I suggest that anything of any value is moved to an appropriate article and that this article be closed. Plantsurfer ( talk) 00:46, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
Regarding prior issues noted, I was unaware. I just would like to suggest that we be careful to divide and conquer the issues as needed. I see three:
Thanks, JoeSperrazza ( talk) 16:48, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
How about this course of action:
I don't believe this article should be deleted outright due to the large number of existing links that will be broken. The piece-meal approach I describe would be least disruptive. ~ Amatulić ( talk) 19:24, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Steps 1 and 2 described at the beginning of this section are now complete. This article is now in Draft space. There's also material that can be drawn from User:David Hedlund/Alcohol (drug). ~ Amatulić ( talk) 16:01, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
These are the sections of the article. Should we comment here about what should be done/has been done about them? -- MelanieN ( talk) 21:29, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
I recommend blanking out sections as they get merged, to avoid confusion.
At first glance it seems obvious to look at the articles with the same title.
We already have Alcohol consumption, which redirects to Alcoholic beverage#Human consumption, a section that no longer exists in that article probably because David pulled it out of there and put it here. I wouldn't object to putting it back, or even making alcohol consumption a separate article.
Also, we already have articles on alcoholism, alcohol abuse, alcohol dependence. These seem to be obvious targets for those sections.
Alcohol-related crime already redirects to alcohol abuse so maybe we could merge it there. ~ Amatulić ( talk) 18:01, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Bikermanish, Doc James, While many of the changes are good, I am concerned that recent edits have resulted in a substantial loss of content. Compare this version [7] with the current version [8]. Additionally, the new content has disrupted the previous layout which followed WP:PHARMMOS, a style guide which I believe should not be departed from without good reason.
The furious pace of edits on this fairly new article by a two new accounts ( Givemeabreak123 being the other), one of whom clearly has prior editing experience, also raises some questions about a possible connection with David Hedlund who advocated for the creation of an article under this name. Sizeofint ( talk) 20:09, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
Also, while I am in favor of consolidating, I am not certain if removing all information on health effects from related pages such as Alcoholic drink is the way to go about this. I think a better approach would be to include this information WP:SUMMARYSTYLE where appropriate. Sizeofint ( talk) 20:12, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Alcohol_(drug)#Adverse_effects
This section needs expanding. Alcohol hinders the mind, reducing coordination, reaction, judgement, etc. Benjamin ( talk) 08:03, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
Putting it bluntly in the section title. This article is an unresolvable WP:POVFORK right from its title, and was created with that in mind by a now-indeffed (for the fourth time) POV-pushing editor. It has been used as a WP:COATRACK, and was hastily assembled by cutting parts out of more NPOV, better balanced articles. I propose, plainly, that this article be disassembled back to the appropriate original articles, and the title either outright deleted, or at the least made a redirect to ethanol, the only substance for which the title really applies (ignoring for a moment isopropyl's use as a topical disinfectant, which itself is alcohol-as-a-drug, meaning the title of this article is completely inappropriate). Frankly, it should have been done years ago, from the beginning, as a prompt and blunt reversal and refutation of the obvious from the start POV-pushing. oknazevad ( talk) 20:43, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
One of the confusions we have is we have articles titled using the common name for "ethanol" which is "alcohol" such as this one and we have articles titled using the chemical name for the group of compounds which includes "ethanol" but also a number of other compounds which is alcohol such as "alcohol (medicine)". I think at this point using the common name is not appropriate as it makes things confusing and we should move entirely to the technical (correct/less ambiguous) terms. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 02:15, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
Thoughts? Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 02:18, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
As an FYI, I moved Alcohol (medicine) to Alcohols in medicine, as that tile was also suggested by a comment on that article's talk page. oknazevad ( talk) 20:52, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
"Alcohol causes considerable societal damage including suppression of psychological inhibitions, which may increase the risk for activities such as impulsive sex, drunk dialing, and alcohol-related crimes such as public intoxication, and drunk driving."
This implies impulsive sex and drunk dialing causes considerable societal damage. I fail to see how. Kauri0.o ( talk) 21:44, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkoholkonsum would I think be adequate -- Stephphie ( talk) 08:57, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
This article looks to be filled with WP:MEDRS-violating claims that fail to cite proper studies, such as meta-analyses or systematic reviews. Although I expect moralistic objections to removing "alcohol bad" claims, Wikipedia is not here to be your Mom. Wikipedia is here to describe only acceptably-sourced information. MarshallKe ( talk) 12:55, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
Should it be added to the history section of the page on alcohol that the word comes from Arabic?
asking for an opinion from more experienced wikipedians. The Duke of Mars ( talk) 17:56, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
This section starts out by stating that one of the most important drug/food interactions is between alcohol and Metronidazole but the rest of that section doesn't explain why it's important in any way. I was wondering if it'd be best to remove that line or, if it exists, add to that part to explain why this interaction is so important. Erzloq ( talk) 18:49, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
I already merged Alcohol-related crime into Alcohol (drug), but @ Piotrus objected and reverted the blank-and-redirect part. So here's a formal topic to decide whether to actually merge. I think the pages have substantial overlap and the information from Alcohol-related crime works well in the discussion of social harm in Alcohol (drug) ( permalink). Many of the crimes were listed on both pages under similar headings. And once the information is in Alcohol (drug), it's only logical to avoid being WP:REDUNDANT and turn Alcohol-related crime into a redirect. I also removed the term alcohol-related crimes as it didn't seem to add much beyond its dictionary definition - the second source [9] in the lead mentions that the term is not precisely defined and varies across publications. The other argument for merging is article size. Before the merge Alcohol (drug) was 34kb / 5144 words and the crime article was basically a stub, 7kb or 1166 words. After the merge Alcohol (drug) is 41kb or 6187 words, still nowhere near any thresholds in WP:ARTICLESIZE. Mathnerd314159 ( talk) 05:39, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
From the article:
Many emergency room visits involve alcohol use.
First, this sentence clearly means that people are drinking inside the ER as part of their treatment. Was that really the intention?
Second, this sentence implies that people are visiting emergency because alcohol itself has injured them or made them ill, which is a major claim requiring specific proof (e.g. documented number of ethanol poisonings per year, documented number of accidents proven to be primarily caused by alcohol, etc.) Or, if the claim is merely that people who are drunk often show up at the emergency department for non-medical or marginally valid reasons, then clearly state that. TooManyFingers ( talk) 05:35, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
I have been working on expanding a discussion of the ADME of ethanol. Currently this article is at 7.5k words, with the expansion it would be past the 8k mark mentioned in WP:SIZERULE. The pharmacology overlaps with several other articles, such as Blood alcohol concentration#Metabolism, Alcohol_intoxication#Pathophysiology, Ethanol metabolism, Auto-brewery_syndrome#Metabolic_action. So I was thinking I would split out the whole section to a new Pharmacology of ethanol article. It doesn't seem too controversial as there are articles named like Pharmacology of progesterone, Pharmacodynamics of estradiol, etc. but maybe someone has an idea on what the exact scope of the new article should be (pharmacology, pharmacodynamics, or pharmacokinetics). Mathnerd314159 ( talk) 23:30, 30 March 2024 (UTC)