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não acho que o ideograma representasse a cruz céltica e sim a mira de uma arma representando ele próprio — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.64.52.33 ( talk) 10:33, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
From the 'popular culture' section: "The Zodiac Killer's crimes, letters and cryptograms to police and newspapers inspired many movies, novels and television productions, as well as other serial killers." While it may possibly be true that these crimes inspired other homicides, the act of serial killing is not, under any sane definition, 'popular culture', and Wikipedia should not be suggesting that it is. Delete the last clause from the sentence. 31.49.219.125 ( talk) 01:00, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
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Can I add info about Ted Cruz being rumored to be the Zodiac Killer? Coolcam6578 ( talk) 17:25, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
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change "victims=5 confirmed dead, possibly 20-28 total dead and 2 injured (claimed to have killed 37)"
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Wiki incorrectly states that the victims in this attack/murder were shot despite a 1969 clip from KPIX in which the police officer who found their bodies states they were clearly stabbed. Wiki does not appear to be reporting accurate information in this article. Having an advanced degree in psychology and forensic experience, the interpretation that the Zodiac Killer erroneously killed singles when he was clearly targeting couples should be more closely scrutinized by police, in my professional opinion. Serial killers (a popular title) tend to fit a profile, and do not stray from that. Discovering the killer's motive is key, which unfortunately typically occurs after the perpetrator is caught. Nevertheless, this article need to be modified to contain the correct details.
When a particular parameter doesn't apply, it's left blank - not filled in with "not applicable". Similarly, parameters that are unknown should be left out; there's no provision in the template documentation to do otherwise. Nikkimaria ( talk) 12:48, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
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The online forum zodiac killer mystery lists the businessman Kjell Qvale as the zodiac killer due to the similarities between the zodiac killer's sketch and Qvale's appearance and being noticed and ignored by two police officers searching for the zodiac killer. Something else entirely ( talk) 13:18, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
Is the This is the Zodiac Speaking ....not talking about a link identifying the doc....but the doc its self reliable?
About the authors ......quote from Google Books
Can you guys help me cipher the killers name MysteriousCjwolf ( talk) 04:19, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
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Shouldn't the section about suspects have more information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.80.4.1 ( talk) 15:32, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
Isn't the last comment a tad heavy-handed? Wikipedia has an entire page on the Jack-the-Ripper suspects here: /info/en/?search=Jack_the_Ripper_suspects which has no less than 29 presented, some with dubious connections. Why do you say 'Wikipedia doesn't engage in speculation' when somebody wants to know the Zodiac suspects but it is perfectly fine to speculate on Jack the Ripper suspect? This just shows the arbitrariness of Wikipedia in these areas.
Having said that, I do agree there there really aren't any other credible suspects and objectively Allen isn't a good one either. The only suspect mentioned in the Suspects section is Allen and Graysmith's book (Zodiac) is not authoritative but now that it has been made into a movie, it gains popular appeal. Maybe a 'problem' with the article is that some of the other posited suspects are mentioned under 'Current Status of the Investigation' instead of under 'Suspects'. Shouldn't Gaikowski, Hodel, Myers, and Best be listed under suspects although some (all) are objectively pretty ridiculous? Maybe the two sections should be merged?
The reality is that there really are right now no good suspects so the public appears to latch on to very speculative assertions. A good website with the proper level of skepticism for instance is here: http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/case.htm 24.187.5.180 ( talk) 20:36, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Ian. I agree that some of the Ripper research is academically justified or from journalistic research, but a number of them are written with the same type of sensationalist appeal and lack of evidence or common sense as the other Zodiac 'suspects'. I don't think you can justify all 29 people listed in the Ripper article as having 'mainstream academic or journalistic sources'. For example, Lewis Carroll being listed as a Ripper suspect with absolutely no connection. He was named by Richard Wallace but even the Wikipedia article says ' This claim is not taken seriously by scholars.' So I'm sorry, this is an arbitrary distinction. The Ripper page does have some real suspects but includes many of the crackpot suspects thrown out in the public. Carroll as a Ripper suspect no more fits 'mainstream academic or journalistic sources' cited than the potential Zodiac 'suspects'. Many of the other Ripper 'suspects' listed on the Wikipedia page are just as dubious but there are books about them too. So if the criterion is that somebody wrote a book about it, there are Zodiac suspects that can be listed. If you want to say the crackpot Zodiac theories should be removed then they should also be removed from the Ripper page. 24.187.5.180 ( talk) 05:23, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation and the edit Berean; I do think the article reads better now. 24.187.5.180 ( talk) 22:01, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
Why are the Texarkana Moonlight Murders and Monster of Florence linked to in "See Also"? The similarities between the cases are superficial at best. -- Jimbonator ( talk) 21:24, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
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Under the section "Arthur Leigh Allen", there is an error of spelling wherein "San Francisco" is spelled "San Fransisco", in the sentence: " In September 1972, San Fransisco police obtained a search warrant for Allen's residence." While this is minor, it should still be fixed. Richardroe ( talk) 06:20, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Could some explain why Arthur Leigh Allen gets his own section called "Theorized culprits within published books" while other suspects who are very much "within published books" are tucked away in a totally different section called "Theories"? Surely the former should be a sub-section of the latter? I would have submitted a protected edit request but no doubt this will require consensus first. 2A02:C7D:3CAF:D900:F983:16C6:8862:B1F0 ( talk) 17:15, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
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Per the section above titled "Theories", please merge the sections Zodiac Killer#Theorized culprits within published books and Zodiac Killer#Theories. In my opinion this would be best accomplished by merging the Zodiac Killer#Arthur Leigh Allen subsection into "Theories", but I am happy for you to use your discretion if you can do it in a better way. 2A02:C7D:3CAF:D900:9198:A342:8469:37C6 ( talk) 15:49, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
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Zodiac killer is the Monster of Florence. I have to write something about it Theghostwriterofzodiac ( talk) 00:26, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
a possible suspect of the case is joseph newton chanlder III as he resembled police sketches of the Zodiac and had lived in California, where the Zodiac operated. so he should be aded to the suspect list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.115.194.122 ( talk) 14:54, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
here is a source for it. www.realclearlife.com/crime/mystery-joseph-newton-chandler-iii/ 😊
I mean that it should be put in the theories section for public speculation and suspicion since he is only publicly speculated by the public. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.115.194.66 ( talk) 22:55, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
got some new info for using Geneology to find the killer [1] ( 50.115.194.122 ( talk) 19:51, 19 December 2018 (UTC))
The man who was so humblely referee to as Aurther Lee Allen in the movie Zodiac was in fact a man by the name of Arron Leigh and the storyline within the film pretty much details the correct trim of events leading the police to find in 2005 that the killer was in fact already dead ..many think it wasn’t a serial killing spree at all due to the fact that all of the victims were in fact in the Virgin Islands at the exact same time just months prior minus the cab driver a cherry and Washington . His victims only stacked up to 5 which makes this a mass murder spree and not a serial killing . The key elements to a true serial killing spree were not present nor where they even addressed by Napa or SFPD . A very sloppy handling of a case “Dirty Harry” Arthurleeallen ( talk) 11:55, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
Someone may want to add info from this article to the current state of the Zodiac investigation: SFGate: "Zodiac Killer case: DNA may offer hope of solving the mystery" https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Zodiac-murder-case-Police-taking-another-look-at-12885070.php?t=d28e3ee91f Phantom in ca ( talk) 04:19, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
This man died around 2005 Arthurleeallen ( talk) 11:57, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
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The Reward Poster for Donna Lass is an image claiming to be a digital copy of a poster from the 1970s. However, at the bottom it gives the current (as of 20190119) phone number for the South Tahoe Police Department, 530 542-6100. As pointed out on slide 3 of the document linked below, the 530 area code didn't exist until 1997.
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I know this subject may a little ambiguous, but the current page title strikes me as odd and I was wondering if anyone else feels the same. I'm talking about the capitalization of the word killer, since it's a noun. I know the Zodiac is frequently referred to as the Zodiac killer as well, but it just looks off when it's capitalized as a proper title. I'm not immediately proposing we change it to Zodiac killer, just wondering if anyone feels the same. Although then again, Jack the Ripper is also capitalized the same way. So yeah, I look forward to hearing your opinion on what may the most trivial subject put up for discussion ever. Jay D. Easy ( talk) 19:02, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
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"The results are expected back soon" should be removed. The phrase, detached from the full quote, is a misleading reference. What is soon? when is soon? is soon a year from now or 10 years from now?.. and from what reference point? Is it soon as of 2019? 2018? (time of the cited news story). I think the phrase should be removed altogether. 96.240.108.212 ( talk) 13:41, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
"Poyser said they should get results back in several weeks.") I rewrote that to make the timing a little clearer, and took out a couple of redundant citations. ‑‑ ElHef ( Meep?) 14:33, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
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In the article for Edward Wayne Edwards he is noted as having a possible connection to the Zodiac, however this information is missing from the Zodiac article. I suggest a reference be added to Edwards in the 'Public suspicions and speculation' section. Something similar to:
Convicted serial killer Edward Wayne Edwards has been suggested as the identity of the Zodiac. Edwards' daughter noted his obsession with the case and would exclaim "That's not how it happened!" during news reports on the Zodiac. Edwards also lived in northern California during the Zodiac's late 1960s murders. NeonUneon ( talk) 14:52, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
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In the subsection on Arthur Leigh Allen, the last sentence says, " However, as of March 2018, it was announced that the 2002 DNA sample was collected from outside the stamp rather than behind it, or from the envelope seal, meaning Allen could still be a suspect." The source for this information is an article that references "an email" sent out by someone not connected to law enforcement who himself references an unnamed source. I request that this sentence be removed or revised to show that no official announcement regarding the validity of the 2002 test has ever been made. The sourced article is itself un-sourced and unofficial. System failure13 ( talk) 18:32, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
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Request that this sentence under the section for Arthur Leigh Allen: "Since neither test result indicated a match, Allen and Cheney were excluded as the contributors of the DNA, though it cannot be stated definitively that it is DNA from the Zodiac on the envelopes." be amended to read: "Since neither test result indicated a match, Allen and Cheney were excluded as the contributors of the DNA." Nothing in the source article indicates that the DNA is not Zodiac's and other edits and sources indicate otherwise.
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It says that one of four ciphers has been solved but all have been solved except for one, as seen in the source link (1). 187.162.48.198 ( talk) 09:55, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
No, there are 3 more and can't have potential solutions, they are solved as shown in source [1]. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.162.48.198 ( talk) 08:03, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
In te first paragraph:
"Of the four cryptograms sent, only one has been definitively solved.[1]"
Maybe change for: "Of the four cryptograms sent, one still remains unsolved."
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http://www.zodiackiller.com/Letters.html — Preceding
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edit height Goose King1937 ( talk) 01:51, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
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From what to what? And do you have a source for whatever height? Crboyer ( talk) 02:30, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
In order for people to read this, It needs to be interesting and It doesnt seem very interesting. There needs to be juicy parts like about how he killed someone or who he killed or where he is now. STuff like that.— Preceding unsigned comment added by BellaKeagan ( talk • contribs)
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I would like to add more information with regard to Ross Sullivan, discussing the connections he had to the Cheri Jo murder. This information would also include his resemblance to Zodiac, not only having similar facial features to the Z sketch, but as well as his stocky build and tall height. Further facts that he studied cryptography in college, worked at the library at RCC and knew Cheri Jo.
Sources would be: https://www.history.com/news/could-any-of-these-men-have-been-the-zodiac-killer , https://metro.co.uk/2017/11/23/experts-think-theyve-finally-unmasked-the-zodiac-killer-7103161/
Thanks Casparov12 ( talk) 23:41, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
The decoded cipherread this:
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KILL/SLF/DR/HELP/ME/KILL/MYSELF/GAS/CHAMBER/AEIOUR/DAYS/QUESTIONSABLE/EVERYY/WAKING/MOMENT/IM/ALIVE/MY/PRIDE/LOST/I/CANT/GO/ON/LIVING/IN/THIS/WAY/KILLING/PEOPLE/I/HAV/KILLD/SO/MANY/PEOPLE/CANT/HELP/MYSELF/IM/SO/ANGRY/I/COULD/DO/MY/THING/IM/ALONE/IN/THIS/WORLD/MY/WHOLE/LIFE/FUL/O/LIES/IM/UNABLE/TO/STOP/BY/THE/TIME/YOU/SOLVE/THIS/I/WILL/HAV/KILLD/ELEVEN/PEOPLE/PLEASE/HELP/ME/STOP/KILLING/PEOPLE/PLEASE/MY/NAME/IS/LEIGH/ALLEN/ |
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Unknowable, a paranormal and true crime podcast, did their 20th episode on the Zodiac Killer. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unknowable/id1439947356 Crownofstorms ( talk) 21:03, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
According to everything I've seen, the victim was driving on highway 132 near I-5. That is really not all that close to Modesto, in an entirely different county, and is much closer to the decently-sized city of Tracy. I'm not too familiar with the protocols of nomenclature issues like this, but I really think "Modesto attack" is quite misleading.
Doing some browsing, I came across this video that seems reasonably credible in my amateur eyes. Thought it might've been worth noting for this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1oQLPRE21o — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gazdoesstuff ( talk • contribs) 20:44, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
Wanted for an update to be added to the Zodiac Killer page, since one of his ciphers has been recently decoded. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55285805 TheFreelanceEditor ( talk) 12:26, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
The article states "an international team of private citizens cracked it on December 5, 2020". I think that is overstated. I think they have solved it, but this is something that is unlikely to be ever verified therefore to be encyclopedic I suggest rewording to something like: "an international team of private citizens proposed a solution on December 5, 2020". 83.100.188.53 ( talk) 20:19, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
In the new 340 Section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.243.171.194 ( talk) 19:03, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
Where is this 340 section?? There is nothing about the cracked code in this article.
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Totally in dispute. Wikipedia will not remove the content...My work was on the internet over 1 year prior. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davinci1527 ( talk • contribs) 01:30, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
There are seven sets of coordinates on this page (four in § Confirmed murders and three in § Contemporary public speculation and Zodiac claims). The only mention of these I can find anywhere in the talk page archives are two requests for corrections on archive 4, from 2015. Using Wikiblame I was able to find when the coordinates were added, in this diff on January 1, 2013. At no point has the significance of these coordinates been explained: not in the article text, not on the talk page, and not in the edit summary when they were added. So why are they here? How does their presence aid reader comprehension of the subject matter? I can't see any importance to them at all, and think they should be removed. 「 ディノ奴 千?!」 ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:44, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
The article reads:
(...) but re-opened it at some point prior to March 2007
(...) just prior to 11:00 pm and parked beside the couple.
Why not use the Anglo-Saxon "before" instead of the Latin idiom "prior to"? Does "prior to" sound more clever or trendy? 85.193.228.103 ( talk) 23:21, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
https://blog.wolfram.com/2021/03/24/the-solution-of-the-zodiac-killers-340-character-cipher/ 176.213.135.195 ( talk) 10:53, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
Jacob B. teenager known on discord as @lolno, has a conclusion to the zodiac killer case he writes in his journal " I think it was a four man job, there where ten shots but only 9 bullets where found the one shooting the .22 rifle (Arthur Allen) wanted a souvenir, Donald Bujok wrote the Halloween letter , and left his mental health class, (because he was in the navy) 4-F as a clue to take their eyes off Arthur for the time being, Lawrence Kane was a peeping tom so it makes sense that most of the victims where female, Jack Terrence lived in Vallejo California and went to the same high school as Arthur did, so there is a high chance that they knew each other [10:35 AM] and summing up all that information Arthur was the big mastermind behind the zodiac" he put all of this together with evidence and logic he has also solved other mysteries: Jack The Ripper The Salem Witch Trials The Migazaws Case The Bobby Dunbar case The Timothy Pitizen case The Gareth Williams assassination
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I’ve Cracked Zodiac, a French Engineer Says..... https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/22/world/europe/france-zodiac-killer-cipher.html - Neils51 ( talk) 21:53, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
The title of the "Santa Barbara" section should be renamed to "Santa Barbara County". The murders in question in the section occurred in Lompoc, which is some 50 miles north of the City of Santa Barbara. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.71.206.53 ( talk) 16:42, September 21, 2021 (UTC)
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Zodiac solved October 6th 2021 2603:6010:5E34:7A62:50BA:35F6:6D20:BB33 ( talk) 03:56, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
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In the most recent update regarding the case breakers 2021 identification, it falsely states that they claim DNA from another murder connects Poste to the Zodiac crimes. It is documented in every article that they believe DNA might support the connection to the murder of Cheri Jo Bates, but they've been unsuccessful in getting that. Their basis for the connection to the Zodiac Killer is pictures of Poste that include facial scars matching the police sketches of the Zodiac Killer, as well as the letters of his name being taken out of one of the Zodiac's ciphers.
Suggested change: 2000s development section, final paragraph, change:
In October 2021, The Case Breakers, a team of over 40 cold case investigators composed of former law enforcement investigators, military intelligence officers and journalists, claimed to have identified the Zodiac Killer as Gary Francis Poste, who died in 2018. The team claimed DNA from a murder committed a hundred miles away from the other crimes, previously unattributed to the Zodiac, matched Poste's DNA, as well as scars on his forehead matching those described on the killer.
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In October 2021, The Case Breakers, a team of over 40 cold case investigators composed of former law enforcement investigators, military intelligence officers and journalists, claimed to have identified the Zodiac Killer as Gary Francis Poste, who died in 2018. They claim that photos from Poste's darkroom include images of Poste with facial scars matching those on sketches of the Zodiac Killer. They further revealed that in one of the Zodiac Killer's letters, Poste's full name was removed to reveal another message.
The citation following could probably be www.fox13now.com/news/national-news/investigators-say-theyve-finally-identified-the-zodiac-killer%3f_amp=true since that seems to be the one that broke the news. 2600:1009:B02E:5C4C:B9DF:7A4B:E9AD:1E6D ( talk) 21:48, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
It should also state that the FBI announced they are investigating this lead as that was immediately announced as soon as this story broke. Colliric ( talk) 00:34, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
The "Public Speculation" and "21st century developments" section both have significant overlaps in content and subject matter with regards to the new suspect Gary Poste. Shouldn't all the info be in one spot and not duplicated as it is now? Reflecktor ( talk) 13:11, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
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Updating "State(s)" and adding brackets around California, to link to the wikipedia page. 75.186.18.51 ( talk) 02:06, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
"In 2021 it was revealed that the identity of the Zodiac Killer was revealed to be a man by the name of Gary Francis Poste, who passed away in 2018." This statement, on top of being unsourced, is way too absolute. The truth here is that yet another person has been pointed out as the Zodiac Killer, and going by statements in media, the claimed evidence is pretty circumstantial.
This section of the text, if not outright removed, should be reworded and have a citation attached to it. 2A00:801:2D2:DBA7:591C:7CF2:F1D6:65B7 ( talk) 10:02, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
His name is Gary.F Poste and he Died in 2018. I have some proof it's https://jtacnews.com/13043/uncategorized/zodiac-killer-possibly-identified/,https://deadline.com/2021/10/zodiac-killer-bay-area-criminal-case-breakers-1234851218/,https://www.the-sun.com/news/3808404/zodiac-killer-gary-poste-francis-solved-dna-code-suspects/. Thegibuspyro ( talk) 16:04, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
Oh, but should we wait because it's important? or just make New contents. Thegibuspyro ( talk) 15:07, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
"1969 mailings and 2020 breakthrough" why are we making it sound like its solved?
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I'm thinking that if we have only one of the two SFPD composite sketches of the Stine murderer, wouldn't it make more sense to use the amended sketch (which witnesses felt was more accurate) rather than the original? Global Cerebral Ischemia ( talk) 01:50, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
A person by the name of "Tom Voigt" often inserts himself into articles/pages about the Zodiac Killer. He has done it on this page and I believe it is irrelevant and should be removed: "and author Tom Voigt, a Zodiac Killer investigator, called the claims "bullshit". Voigt noted that no witnesses in the case described Zodiac as having scars on his forehead.[99]"
Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.190.38.123 ( talk) 13:14, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
Regarding the section on Gary Francis Poste being identified as the Zodiac Killer, wouldn't it be best to take this development with a grain of salt? This development didn't come from any of the police departments investigating the case, but from a group of private individuals. Should their word really carry that much weight? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.47.95.249 ( talk) 16:16, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
For now, it's just a suspicious. This is not the first time that a group or person claimed to have "identified" the guy. For now, the police hasn't confirmed it or denied it. It's ok to be in the article, in a specific section with the appropriate context, but not on the lead, like this was something new and ground breaking. We should wait and see at least until the police speaks on this with more clarity cuz, so far, the case remains open. Coltsfan ( talk) 18:03, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
The case remains open until the police declare it shut, but I think I speak for most people when I say he's definitely the Prime Suspect now and will probably be so from now on. The evidence they presented was very highly convincing. The FBI and has already announced they will be pursuing this lead now. Colliric ( talk) 21:29, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
You guys think they're actually going to "catch him?" Turtleshell3 ( talk) 14:03, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
New editor 2230redondo is editing the related article Zodiac Killer in popular culture pushing recent events into a long rambling lede, that has been reverted by two editors, Materialscientist and myself; and tagged with the rather benign {{ Lead too long}} by Earle Bartibus Huxley.
I've reverted them twice already (with explanatory edit summaries and messages on their talk page), and am loathe to edit-war myself; but input from the editors here would be welcome (including telling me that I'm off-base and that 2230redondo's edits are generally an improvement, if that's the case). I'm posting here because the IPC article doesn't get that much traffic and I know that this one does.
Thanks. TJRC ( talk) 03:53, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
The new information is far from rambling and includes a pivotal article written by THE Zodiac Killer Reporter - Kevin Fagan - The most talked about subject in the Zodiac Killer world today is who has 'really' decoded the ciphers. Especially the 340 cipher. This new information is an example of pop culture 'True Crime' Literature. It is highly appropriate and very well written, if I say so myself.
The objection of the materialist and TJ is inexplicable as the entire page has been abandon for at least 2 years. Why are they so active to remove this information. The information has more citation than any post on the page, just click the links and examine the volume of detailed information.
Maybe those two should take more time to research what is being said and look at the work on the links, than exercise domain over the page as if they own the world of words on the Zodiac. Personally, I have not heard a cogent, intelligent, or reasonable answer to why they want it to go, except that they deleted it.
Please explain to everyone why you think it is rambling... It seems very specific and it is explosive, which the rules state that we should overlook the 2 paragraph rule if the information is enticing and draws the reader in. Well, Identifying the 'REAL:' name of the Zodiac and solving the My Name Is... Cifer is pretty interesting in the pop culture world of the Zodiac Killer.
So, why don't you and materialist chill out and let readers take in the information and view some comments, before you start a war, which you seem intent on doing. Now if you are hiding your 'real' identity 'David' and your results don't match up with what is here, maybe you should show your work vs. just telling people the FBI said you achieved the correct answer. I am waiting to see it..
Please. show us all!
2230 Redondo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2230redondo ( talk • contribs) 04:16, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
"Cheri Jo Bates, 18: stabbed to death and nearly decapitated on October 30, 1966, at Riverside City College in Riverside. Bates's possible connection to the Zodiac only appeared four years after her murder when San Francisco Chronicle reporter Paul Avery received a tip regarding similarities between the Zodiac killings and the circumstances surrounding Bates's death.[46]"
The above is incorrect. Here is the correct info, which has been documented on the Internet since 1998: https://zodiackiller.com/RiversideMemo1.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by TomVoigtZodiac ( talk • contribs) 19:20, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
17 days before the Lake Herman Road murders, a San Francisco bank branch of the listed above bank found a note full of weird misspellings and syntax errors. It was signed "zodiac" and was taken into FBI custody. It should be on this article. Here's a link to the full story: [2] ~ Dxrd, 15:56, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Apparently the 340 character message has been solved and validated by the FBI.
https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/how-mathematicians-cracked-the-zodiac-killers-cipher Soccerguy243 ( talk) 11:41, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
A man named William Mcduff Andrew, is being toted as the new Zodiac Suspect, though currently all evidence against him is circumstantial, it's certainly the strongest. he died in 2014. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Only One Zodiac ( talk • contribs) 18:42, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
Suspect list needs an update to include Edward Wayne Edwards, who is actually known, strictly for murdering couples and can be tied to the zodiac through some circumstantial evidence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Only One Zodiac ( talk • contribs) 18:46, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
The article claims that the San Francisco Chronicle received letters on October 13 and October 14, each containing pieces of Paul Stine's shirttail. This is incorrect. There was only one letter received, on October 13, and it only included one piece of the shirt. The threat against school children was made in the same letter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.37.139.243 ( talk) 02:50, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
It should be mentioned that there are similarities between Zodiac and the fictional character Francis Dolarhyde, either on the Zodiac Killer page, the Zodiac Killer in popular culture page, and the Francis Dolarhyde page. These are that he killed by the moon cycles and likely (but not for certain) has multiple personalities. The Hunt for the Zodiac Documentary in 2017 proves these connections. It talks about how each known slaying occurs during a Dali Day on the 13-moon calendar and how one of Zodiac's sketches sent to the police reflects this. There was also an alleged solving of the z340 cypher in 2017. The documentary did not reveal the name of the killer outright. I wanted to talk about some of this. He bears similarities to Dennis Rader and Joseph James DeAngelo, who could be placed under See Also. Additionally, Dennis Rader has been identified as a suspect, albeit a highly improbable one, for the Zodiac killings. The same is true for a man [whose name I will not mention until it is absolutely okay to do so or if this individual is dead] who matches the Zodiac sketch and possessed rare comic books featuring phrases and killer themes similar to what the Zodiac included in his letters. This man could be a more probable suspect. In the event that the Zodiac Killer is identified and/or apprehended in the future, this article should be greatly shortened in order to deprive this individual of undue attention. Please take this into consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SomeoneWWTSI ( talk • contribs) 17:52, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
MisterCrusca ( talk · contribs) keeps adding an alleged Italian suspect to the article, sourced only to two Italian sources. In response to a request for evidence that the theory has any currency outside Italy, they added a reference from The Sun, which is anything but a reliable source, and there is no evidence that this theory is even taken seriously in Italy, much less in the US. Please provide better sourcing if you want this to be kept in the article. Acroterion (talk) 16:18, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
"Public speculation" was the original subtitle of the paragraph "Other suspects". I think it was more appropriate. Joseph Bevilacqua is American and has been discussed as a possible suspect on Reddit and forums since 2018. Certain observations imply that Gary Poste should be considered more seriously than Bevilacqua because the original source is Fox News instead of Italian newspapers. I do not now if this could work. Even if I do not think that is diriment, I could reply that Bevilacqua has been investigated by some authority, at least. MisterCrusca ( talk) 17:42, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
Yes, if you can wait MisterCrusca ( talk) 17:56, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
He is Gary Francis Poste. Barnacles14 ( talk) 02:09, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
Not unidentified* Barnacles14 ( talk) 02:11, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
In his 1976 autobiography, Melvin Belli described an engineered encounter with a Riverside law student who had allegedly claimed to be the Zodiac Killer. Upon meeting the young man face-to-face, Belli decided that they were investigating the wrong man for the Zodiac crimes. In 2002, Robert Graysmith described the possibility that a former student of Pacific High School, in the San Bernardino area, was the source of the Zodiac alias. Eventually it came out in online posts that both accounts referred to the same person. While much of what is online and in print is juvenile gossip, and the young man has been cleared repeatedly, he has confirmed that he did use the nickname Zodiac while a teenager. As the logo in the Cheri "Jo" Bates letter resembles the young man's initials, MLZ or simply MZ, the Zodiac killer or killers apparently wanted to implicate this individual. The fake "Patricia Hautz" letter in 1967 further supports this.
[Melvin Belli My Life on Trial, pages 295-296]
[Zodiac Unmasked, Graysmith, pg 74]
[Pacific High School Yearbooks, 1963-1965. Photos posted in Zodiac discussions show and name the young man. I own a copy of the 1964 yearbook as displayed and sold by Classmates.com]
Thorough, but not publicly visible. Morf13 was the author.
This is a sample of the less focused summaries.
[Note that the young man went on to run for public office. As a public figure, and because of the importance to homicide investigations, it would be reasonable to name him.] VallejoHistory ( talk) 10:30, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
I tried to be concise, but as a fellow editor deleted my previous addition to the article page, I have written a verbose version here in case anybody has comments.
Regarding Robert Graysmith's ZODIAC book (The Yellow Book, YB):
The book is of high quality, though not perfect.
The book is a standard reference for people studying the Zodiac case.
Sensationalism present in Graysmith's later writing is largely absent from this publication.
Graysmith's ZODIAC books list of 49 individuals (confirmed + possible victims):
Many of these are already on the Wikipedia article page.
Zodiac varied his MO in the confirmed killings, just as Graysmith's list allows for new and varied MO's.
Donna Lass vanished in 1970, after some people claim that the Zodiac killings ended. — Preceding
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Zodiac declared that he would strangle by "Rope" in the October 27, 1970 letter.
The Santa Rosa Hitchhiker Murders included many strangulations.
The Santa Rosa Hitchhiker Murders were abductions, as were the likely Zodiac attacks on Donna Lass, Kathleen Johns, and Isobel Watson.
Zodiac is an accepted suspect in the Santa Rosa Hitchhiker Murders, and is listed as a suspect the article page for those murders.
Graysmith's list, though imperfect, has held up well over time.
Online researchers certainly take the list seriously.
(Also, "Rope" is the name of a Hitchcock film and the director shot Shadow of a Doubt in Santa Rosa.)
Often when a specific suspect is considered, murders not on the "short list" are considered. For example, discussions of Larry Kane usually include the murder of Dana Lull.
Given the brutality, premeditation, and goal of disgracing law enforcement, I don't believe that Zodiac stopped killing in 1969.
I know that the murder of JonBenet Ramsey at first seems unrelated to Zodiac killings, but the links are there:
The references to crime films in the "Ransom note." (Well attested in print.)
Zodiac inspired Dirty Harry, one of the films referenced. (The Zodiac inspiration for the film is on the film's article page.)
Claims that the "Ransom note" writing is similar to Zodiac's. (John A. Cameron)
The feminine style of the note echoes Zodiac's fake "Patricia Hautz" letter.
The possibility that Zodiac wore a disguise, such as a Santa Suit. (Cameron)
The possibility that the killer made snuff films of the killing fits with Zodiac's film interest and is probably why Zodiac apparently abducted many victims from 1970 onward.
The intent of the above is to make readers aware of the many possible Zodiac murders. The more data points to consider, the better people can explore patterns. Readers given a view of the case as it was perceived in 1970 will assume that there is nothing further to learn, discuss, or consider. VallejoHistory ( talk) 08:35, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
There's been a fair bit of discussion in the field of forensic psychology etc about the psychological profile of the Zodiac and there's also been some discussion regarding his physical one. Shouldn't this be on this page? Reflecktor ( talk) 09:29, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Yes, I know that law enforcement generally believes that a single Zodiac perpetrator became intimidated by the manly police of San Francisco in 1969 and converted to a flag-waving, Bible-thumping John Wayne fan who spent his free time teaching girl scouts car repair (and became a close friend of Mother Teresa, too). As far as I know, evidence that Zodiac repented, reformed, or went cold turkey on murder has always been a little thin. A psychologist (or similar) did interpret "A Citizen" to mean that Zodiac attained a degree of accomplishment and recognition sufficient to overcome feelings of inadequacy in society and no longer felt the need to exhibit life-and-dearth power over others. I recommend reading Tom Voigt's Just the Facts. The autopsy reports make it clear that Zodiac's hatred for women and disdain for society was not a whim or passing interest.
I do own all the print publications which I cite. I have been spending free time during Covid studying and discussing the case. Sadly, Zodiac has been able to slaughter woman after woman for decades without apparently serving prison time for any murder. Simply changing his MO and ending claims of individual killings was all that was needed to befuddle law enforcement. Bureaucrats have embraced the fantasy that law enforcement has had no need to spend resources on Zodiac, as he was a small player. This is a tragic mistake, and history will not treat law enforcement kindly.
If anyone does have proof that Zodiac stopped killing in 1969 or 1970 or 1971 or 1972 or 1973, kindly share it. Otherwise readers will be stuck with law enforcement's fantasy that Zodiac simply faded away. Readers will not explore the victim discussions in print and online.
Thank you. VallejoHistory ( talk) 15:08, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Personally speaking, the irony of this obv. publicity hungry guy claiming credit for crimes proven not to be his (Radetich, very likely Cheri Jo Bates etc.) and encouraging speculation as to the number of his crimes while comparing murder to sex with women as he wrote cryptic letters (some only recently transcribed) claiming he adores his believed beckoning of a "Paradice Life" with slaves (male and female) he was collecting, and welcoming his death for a better reborn life than his Earthly own one tells me all I need to know about him and his inadequacy, and his need/thirst to be noticed. One note he wrote saying to the effect "I only look like that when committing my murders" shortly before skulking off into almost complete silence tells me all I personally need to know about this guy and his reasoning in his life before he went silent of his own accord-after the identikits were published- with his tail between his legs and while writing, increasingly infrequently, of his "lonely TV addict score" = guess, "SFPD" = 0 sign-offs with claims (even numerically) to murders he never even described.-- Kieronoldham ( talk) 21:55, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
The following seems to have been deleted, but if people want to discuss it, here it is:
"Author Søren Roest Korsgaard explains that the "episode" paragraph in this letter referenced the Alfred Hitchcock Presents episode Museum Piece. The attachment of a light to a gun was a plot element which Zodiac adopted. The episode dialog also contains the phrase "The most dangerous game." Zodiac was both referencing and acting out Hitchcock story elements."
The episode is online from various sources. The one available on The Roku Channel seems OK, though other sources may have better image quality.
Korsgaard's book is America's Jack the Ripper: The Definitive Account of the Zodiac Killer. This is an updated edition. It was published in 2020. Most of what Korsgaard writes regarding the episode has been discussed for years online.
Note that there is no imagination required and no disagreement among people who have seen the episode. The August 1969 Zodiac letter certainly refers to this episode.
I had added Hitchcockian under See also. VallejoHistory ( talk) 10:22, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
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The line, "In October 2021, the Case Breakers, a team of over 40 cold case investigators..." should be changed to "In October 2021, The Case Breakers, a team of over 40 cold case investigators..." HogunDogun ( talk) 11:08, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
New book: How to Find Zodiac by Jarett Kobek. All I know is in this article: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/30/zodiac-killer-jarett-kobek-california 173.30.64.118 ( talk) 06:08, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
The article can't make up its mind which name to use. 31.51.14.209 ( talk) 21:00, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
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Would you please include the Person of Interest sketch from Lake Berryessa. Even if you say, this was a sketch of a person thought to be lurking during the day of the murder of Cecelia Shepard. How can you be credible without it? 2603:8000:AD43:D3EC:D451:883E:5BB7:679 ( talk) 03:09, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
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Code Z13 has been cracked on May 9th 2023 by Michael Klemer, Germany. Z13 cracked Jochen Merkle ( talk) 17:38, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
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In Murders and correspondence/First letters from the Zodiac, end of 4th paragraph's first sentence, a slash was typed instead of a period. AlcoholicGel ( talk) 14:52, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
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Yasien Ibrahim Eldieb ( talk) 15:21, 4 July 2023 (UTC) Its called paradise not paradice
From the Blue Meanies (Yellow Submarine)'s wiki entry:
It's most likely "the zodiac" read that newspaper and borrowed it from it or from it's peers-to-lingo press.- User:Dxrd, January 1st, 2022. 22:22 PM.
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Zodiac did not claim to have murdered 37 people. He just stated the number 37 in a communication. Please delete this false information. 2A00:23C6:410F:A001:6908:F848:BECB:549B ( talk) 21:46, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Content draft: Since the early years, there has been support for Zodiac intentionally linking crimes by showing preferences for certain elements of attacks:
Locations near water[], such as Lake Herman Road and Lake Berryessa.
Attacking close to holidays[] and other significant dates, including Independence Day and Halloween.
Many more possible links have been considered over the years. Targeting young couples seemed intentional based upon the first attacks for which Zodiac took credit. Using .22 caliber long round ammunition may have been a preference. The shooting of taxi driver Paul Stine appears to have been an intentional repeat of the killing of taxi driver Ray Davis. Zodiac possibly killed other individuals with the surname Davis[], including Elaine Davis (1969, Walnut Creek) and Carolyn Davis (1973)[].
Notes: I am considering a new section for this. It does not seem to fit with any existing section.
The phrasing can be debated. "Water references" perhaps should be included because of Riverside. I did add "other significant dates" because Cheri Jo Bates died close to Halloween.
This topic is significant because there are many unconfirmed Zodiac crimes which may share links with the confirmed and likely Zodiac attacks.
Sources: Graysmith's 1986 book is the primary source. It discusses the water and significant day link (pages 80-81) and lists Elaine Davis and Carolyn Davis as possible Zodiac victims (pages 309, 311). For Carolyn Davis, I will provide a link to her section of the SRHM page.
For the Davis name, tentatively I will also cite a self-published book which I co-authored. I will not mention other possible Davis victims or Davis references discussed in the book, however.
VallejoHistory ( talk) 21:49, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
Zodiac attacked 7 people and 5 died. He never claimed that he had killed 37 people. There is no Zodiac communication where he claims to have killed 37 people. This is false information which needs to be deleted ASAP. 2A00:23C6:410F:A001:8902:3053:99AF:ED45 ( talk) 15:57, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
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Change Cipher to cipher. 5.46.53.81 ( talk) 18:22, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
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Change: In October 2021, the Case Breakers, a team indicating that have over forty former law enforcement investigators, military intelligence officers, and journalists
To: In October 2021, the Case Breakers, a team consisting of over forty former law enforcement investigators, military intelligence officers, and journalists Joshgrosz ( talk) 14:14, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
The killer never claimed to have killed 37 people in any communication. He simply stated the number 37 in one letter.
Please delete this false information from the “Details” section. 2A00:23C6:410F:A001:1C2A:F2CC:7CC0:B62C ( talk) 22:34, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
Change "Diane Ohlig" to "Diane Uhlig". See the referenced article for correct spelling of name. https://www.hmbreview.com/news/authorities-take-new-look-at-50-year-old-coastside-killing-that-still-shocks-conscience/article_c9ea0584-afab-11ec-b245-a72108e8b7a2.html WA-Bit-Tiger ( talk) 17:00, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Put links to the suspects wiki pages on their names. 46.132.67.255 ( talk) 15:14, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Change: the suspect, described as undefined was in fact discovered in 2018 by Francesco Amicone through a letter sent by the killer himself to the papers years prior, in the letter signed Zodiac a code that would have had revealed the name of the Zodiac once translated was present. Amicone was able to translate the unknown code thanks to a suspect he had managed to work his way to while investigating on both the Zodiac killer and The Monster Of Florence. The suspect, Joseph (Joe) Bevilacqua gave the Italian (Francesco Amicone) instructions on how to solve the code and once translated the 13 character code revealed one name, the one of the suspect himself, Joe Bevilacqua. Francesco Amicone has publicized all of his studies and are claimed by many to be the ones conducting to the infamous Killer Of The Zodiac, whom then later moved to Florence when the suspect (Joe Bevilacqua) started another killing spree, accordingly under the name; The Monster Of Florence given to him by the papers of the time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antonioravenga ( talk • contribs) 19:18, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
I just read an article in "The Register" stating with authority that the code has been completely and recently broken by a combination of "crowd source" investigators, and a newly advanced software, plus two high-powered cryptographers who were sharing the credit with everyone involved over decades. Said there was one final uncracked code and not two as this Article states,so I wonder how out-of-date this Article is. 2603:8081:3A00:30DF:8ACF:679C:8748:31DA ( talk) 00:30, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuNyQ44JYxM - Video from a member of the group that decrypted the 340 cipher in 2020, with explanations about the history of process. 92.37.137.132 ( talk) 02:28, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
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From the 'popular culture' section: "The Zodiac Killer's crimes, letters and cryptograms to police and newspapers inspired many movies, novels and television productions, as well as other serial killers." While it may possibly be true that these crimes inspired other homicides, the act of serial killing is not, under any sane definition, 'popular culture', and Wikipedia should not be suggesting that it is. Delete the last clause from the sentence. 31.49.219.125 ( talk) 01:00, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
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Wiki incorrectly states that the victims in this attack/murder were shot despite a 1969 clip from KPIX in which the police officer who found their bodies states they were clearly stabbed. Wiki does not appear to be reporting accurate information in this article. Having an advanced degree in psychology and forensic experience, the interpretation that the Zodiac Killer erroneously killed singles when he was clearly targeting couples should be more closely scrutinized by police, in my professional opinion. Serial killers (a popular title) tend to fit a profile, and do not stray from that. Discovering the killer's motive is key, which unfortunately typically occurs after the perpetrator is caught. Nevertheless, this article need to be modified to contain the correct details.
When a particular parameter doesn't apply, it's left blank - not filled in with "not applicable". Similarly, parameters that are unknown should be left out; there's no provision in the template documentation to do otherwise. Nikkimaria ( talk) 12:48, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
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The online forum zodiac killer mystery lists the businessman Kjell Qvale as the zodiac killer due to the similarities between the zodiac killer's sketch and Qvale's appearance and being noticed and ignored by two police officers searching for the zodiac killer. Something else entirely ( talk) 13:18, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
Is the This is the Zodiac Speaking ....not talking about a link identifying the doc....but the doc its self reliable?
About the authors ......quote from Google Books
Can you guys help me cipher the killers name MysteriousCjwolf ( talk) 04:19, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
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Shouldn't the section about suspects have more information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.80.4.1 ( talk) 15:32, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
Isn't the last comment a tad heavy-handed? Wikipedia has an entire page on the Jack-the-Ripper suspects here: /info/en/?search=Jack_the_Ripper_suspects which has no less than 29 presented, some with dubious connections. Why do you say 'Wikipedia doesn't engage in speculation' when somebody wants to know the Zodiac suspects but it is perfectly fine to speculate on Jack the Ripper suspect? This just shows the arbitrariness of Wikipedia in these areas.
Having said that, I do agree there there really aren't any other credible suspects and objectively Allen isn't a good one either. The only suspect mentioned in the Suspects section is Allen and Graysmith's book (Zodiac) is not authoritative but now that it has been made into a movie, it gains popular appeal. Maybe a 'problem' with the article is that some of the other posited suspects are mentioned under 'Current Status of the Investigation' instead of under 'Suspects'. Shouldn't Gaikowski, Hodel, Myers, and Best be listed under suspects although some (all) are objectively pretty ridiculous? Maybe the two sections should be merged?
The reality is that there really are right now no good suspects so the public appears to latch on to very speculative assertions. A good website with the proper level of skepticism for instance is here: http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/case.htm 24.187.5.180 ( talk) 20:36, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Ian. I agree that some of the Ripper research is academically justified or from journalistic research, but a number of them are written with the same type of sensationalist appeal and lack of evidence or common sense as the other Zodiac 'suspects'. I don't think you can justify all 29 people listed in the Ripper article as having 'mainstream academic or journalistic sources'. For example, Lewis Carroll being listed as a Ripper suspect with absolutely no connection. He was named by Richard Wallace but even the Wikipedia article says ' This claim is not taken seriously by scholars.' So I'm sorry, this is an arbitrary distinction. The Ripper page does have some real suspects but includes many of the crackpot suspects thrown out in the public. Carroll as a Ripper suspect no more fits 'mainstream academic or journalistic sources' cited than the potential Zodiac 'suspects'. Many of the other Ripper 'suspects' listed on the Wikipedia page are just as dubious but there are books about them too. So if the criterion is that somebody wrote a book about it, there are Zodiac suspects that can be listed. If you want to say the crackpot Zodiac theories should be removed then they should also be removed from the Ripper page. 24.187.5.180 ( talk) 05:23, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation and the edit Berean; I do think the article reads better now. 24.187.5.180 ( talk) 22:01, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
Why are the Texarkana Moonlight Murders and Monster of Florence linked to in "See Also"? The similarities between the cases are superficial at best. -- Jimbonator ( talk) 21:24, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
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Under the section "Arthur Leigh Allen", there is an error of spelling wherein "San Francisco" is spelled "San Fransisco", in the sentence: " In September 1972, San Fransisco police obtained a search warrant for Allen's residence." While this is minor, it should still be fixed. Richardroe ( talk) 06:20, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
Could some explain why Arthur Leigh Allen gets his own section called "Theorized culprits within published books" while other suspects who are very much "within published books" are tucked away in a totally different section called "Theories"? Surely the former should be a sub-section of the latter? I would have submitted a protected edit request but no doubt this will require consensus first. 2A02:C7D:3CAF:D900:F983:16C6:8862:B1F0 ( talk) 17:15, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
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Per the section above titled "Theories", please merge the sections Zodiac Killer#Theorized culprits within published books and Zodiac Killer#Theories. In my opinion this would be best accomplished by merging the Zodiac Killer#Arthur Leigh Allen subsection into "Theories", but I am happy for you to use your discretion if you can do it in a better way. 2A02:C7D:3CAF:D900:9198:A342:8469:37C6 ( talk) 15:49, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
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Zodiac killer is the Monster of Florence. I have to write something about it Theghostwriterofzodiac ( talk) 00:26, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
a possible suspect of the case is joseph newton chanlder III as he resembled police sketches of the Zodiac and had lived in California, where the Zodiac operated. so he should be aded to the suspect list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.115.194.122 ( talk) 14:54, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
here is a source for it. www.realclearlife.com/crime/mystery-joseph-newton-chandler-iii/ 😊
I mean that it should be put in the theories section for public speculation and suspicion since he is only publicly speculated by the public. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.115.194.66 ( talk) 22:55, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
got some new info for using Geneology to find the killer [1] ( 50.115.194.122 ( talk) 19:51, 19 December 2018 (UTC))
The man who was so humblely referee to as Aurther Lee Allen in the movie Zodiac was in fact a man by the name of Arron Leigh and the storyline within the film pretty much details the correct trim of events leading the police to find in 2005 that the killer was in fact already dead ..many think it wasn’t a serial killing spree at all due to the fact that all of the victims were in fact in the Virgin Islands at the exact same time just months prior minus the cab driver a cherry and Washington . His victims only stacked up to 5 which makes this a mass murder spree and not a serial killing . The key elements to a true serial killing spree were not present nor where they even addressed by Napa or SFPD . A very sloppy handling of a case “Dirty Harry” Arthurleeallen ( talk) 11:55, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
Someone may want to add info from this article to the current state of the Zodiac investigation: SFGate: "Zodiac Killer case: DNA may offer hope of solving the mystery" https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Zodiac-murder-case-Police-taking-another-look-at-12885070.php?t=d28e3ee91f Phantom in ca ( talk) 04:19, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
This man died around 2005 Arthurleeallen ( talk) 11:57, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
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The Reward Poster for Donna Lass is an image claiming to be a digital copy of a poster from the 1970s. However, at the bottom it gives the current (as of 20190119) phone number for the South Tahoe Police Department, 530 542-6100. As pointed out on slide 3 of the document linked below, the 530 area code didn't exist until 1997.
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I know this subject may a little ambiguous, but the current page title strikes me as odd and I was wondering if anyone else feels the same. I'm talking about the capitalization of the word killer, since it's a noun. I know the Zodiac is frequently referred to as the Zodiac killer as well, but it just looks off when it's capitalized as a proper title. I'm not immediately proposing we change it to Zodiac killer, just wondering if anyone feels the same. Although then again, Jack the Ripper is also capitalized the same way. So yeah, I look forward to hearing your opinion on what may the most trivial subject put up for discussion ever. Jay D. Easy ( talk) 19:02, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
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"The results are expected back soon" should be removed. The phrase, detached from the full quote, is a misleading reference. What is soon? when is soon? is soon a year from now or 10 years from now?.. and from what reference point? Is it soon as of 2019? 2018? (time of the cited news story). I think the phrase should be removed altogether. 96.240.108.212 ( talk) 13:41, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
"Poyser said they should get results back in several weeks.") I rewrote that to make the timing a little clearer, and took out a couple of redundant citations. ‑‑ ElHef ( Meep?) 14:33, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
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In the article for Edward Wayne Edwards he is noted as having a possible connection to the Zodiac, however this information is missing from the Zodiac article. I suggest a reference be added to Edwards in the 'Public suspicions and speculation' section. Something similar to:
Convicted serial killer Edward Wayne Edwards has been suggested as the identity of the Zodiac. Edwards' daughter noted his obsession with the case and would exclaim "That's not how it happened!" during news reports on the Zodiac. Edwards also lived in northern California during the Zodiac's late 1960s murders. NeonUneon ( talk) 14:52, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
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In the subsection on Arthur Leigh Allen, the last sentence says, " However, as of March 2018, it was announced that the 2002 DNA sample was collected from outside the stamp rather than behind it, or from the envelope seal, meaning Allen could still be a suspect." The source for this information is an article that references "an email" sent out by someone not connected to law enforcement who himself references an unnamed source. I request that this sentence be removed or revised to show that no official announcement regarding the validity of the 2002 test has ever been made. The sourced article is itself un-sourced and unofficial. System failure13 ( talk) 18:32, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
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Request that this sentence under the section for Arthur Leigh Allen: "Since neither test result indicated a match, Allen and Cheney were excluded as the contributors of the DNA, though it cannot be stated definitively that it is DNA from the Zodiac on the envelopes." be amended to read: "Since neither test result indicated a match, Allen and Cheney were excluded as the contributors of the DNA." Nothing in the source article indicates that the DNA is not Zodiac's and other edits and sources indicate otherwise.
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It says that one of four ciphers has been solved but all have been solved except for one, as seen in the source link (1). 187.162.48.198 ( talk) 09:55, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
No, there are 3 more and can't have potential solutions, they are solved as shown in source [1]. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.162.48.198 ( talk) 08:03, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
In te first paragraph:
"Of the four cryptograms sent, only one has been definitively solved.[1]"
Maybe change for: "Of the four cryptograms sent, one still remains unsolved."
Source:
http://www.zodiackiller.com/Letters.html — Preceding
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edit height Goose King1937 ( talk) 01:51, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a
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From what to what? And do you have a source for whatever height? Crboyer ( talk) 02:30, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
In order for people to read this, It needs to be interesting and It doesnt seem very interesting. There needs to be juicy parts like about how he killed someone or who he killed or where he is now. STuff like that.— Preceding unsigned comment added by BellaKeagan ( talk • contribs)
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I would like to add more information with regard to Ross Sullivan, discussing the connections he had to the Cheri Jo murder. This information would also include his resemblance to Zodiac, not only having similar facial features to the Z sketch, but as well as his stocky build and tall height. Further facts that he studied cryptography in college, worked at the library at RCC and knew Cheri Jo.
Sources would be: https://www.history.com/news/could-any-of-these-men-have-been-the-zodiac-killer , https://metro.co.uk/2017/11/23/experts-think-theyve-finally-unmasked-the-zodiac-killer-7103161/
Thanks Casparov12 ( talk) 23:41, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
The decoded cipherread this:
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KILL/SLF/DR/HELP/ME/KILL/MYSELF/GAS/CHAMBER/AEIOUR/DAYS/QUESTIONSABLE/EVERYY/WAKING/MOMENT/IM/ALIVE/MY/PRIDE/LOST/I/CANT/GO/ON/LIVING/IN/THIS/WAY/KILLING/PEOPLE/I/HAV/KILLD/SO/MANY/PEOPLE/CANT/HELP/MYSELF/IM/SO/ANGRY/I/COULD/DO/MY/THING/IM/ALONE/IN/THIS/WORLD/MY/WHOLE/LIFE/FUL/O/LIES/IM/UNABLE/TO/STOP/BY/THE/TIME/YOU/SOLVE/THIS/I/WILL/HAV/KILLD/ELEVEN/PEOPLE/PLEASE/HELP/ME/STOP/KILLING/PEOPLE/PLEASE/MY/NAME/IS/LEIGH/ALLEN/ |
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Unknowable, a paranormal and true crime podcast, did their 20th episode on the Zodiac Killer. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unknowable/id1439947356 Crownofstorms ( talk) 21:03, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
According to everything I've seen, the victim was driving on highway 132 near I-5. That is really not all that close to Modesto, in an entirely different county, and is much closer to the decently-sized city of Tracy. I'm not too familiar with the protocols of nomenclature issues like this, but I really think "Modesto attack" is quite misleading.
Doing some browsing, I came across this video that seems reasonably credible in my amateur eyes. Thought it might've been worth noting for this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1oQLPRE21o — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gazdoesstuff ( talk • contribs) 20:44, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
Wanted for an update to be added to the Zodiac Killer page, since one of his ciphers has been recently decoded. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55285805 TheFreelanceEditor ( talk) 12:26, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
The article states "an international team of private citizens cracked it on December 5, 2020". I think that is overstated. I think they have solved it, but this is something that is unlikely to be ever verified therefore to be encyclopedic I suggest rewording to something like: "an international team of private citizens proposed a solution on December 5, 2020". 83.100.188.53 ( talk) 20:19, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
In the new 340 Section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.243.171.194 ( talk) 19:03, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
Where is this 340 section?? There is nothing about the cracked code in this article.
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Totally in dispute. Wikipedia will not remove the content...My work was on the internet over 1 year prior. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davinci1527 ( talk • contribs) 01:30, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
There are seven sets of coordinates on this page (four in § Confirmed murders and three in § Contemporary public speculation and Zodiac claims). The only mention of these I can find anywhere in the talk page archives are two requests for corrections on archive 4, from 2015. Using Wikiblame I was able to find when the coordinates were added, in this diff on January 1, 2013. At no point has the significance of these coordinates been explained: not in the article text, not on the talk page, and not in the edit summary when they were added. So why are they here? How does their presence aid reader comprehension of the subject matter? I can't see any importance to them at all, and think they should be removed. 「 ディノ奴 千?!」 ☎ Dinoguy1000 03:44, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
The article reads:
(...) but re-opened it at some point prior to March 2007
(...) just prior to 11:00 pm and parked beside the couple.
Why not use the Anglo-Saxon "before" instead of the Latin idiom "prior to"? Does "prior to" sound more clever or trendy? 85.193.228.103 ( talk) 23:21, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
https://blog.wolfram.com/2021/03/24/the-solution-of-the-zodiac-killers-340-character-cipher/ 176.213.135.195 ( talk) 10:53, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
Jacob B. teenager known on discord as @lolno, has a conclusion to the zodiac killer case he writes in his journal " I think it was a four man job, there where ten shots but only 9 bullets where found the one shooting the .22 rifle (Arthur Allen) wanted a souvenir, Donald Bujok wrote the Halloween letter , and left his mental health class, (because he was in the navy) 4-F as a clue to take their eyes off Arthur for the time being, Lawrence Kane was a peeping tom so it makes sense that most of the victims where female, Jack Terrence lived in Vallejo California and went to the same high school as Arthur did, so there is a high chance that they knew each other [10:35 AM] and summing up all that information Arthur was the big mastermind behind the zodiac" he put all of this together with evidence and logic he has also solved other mysteries: Jack The Ripper The Salem Witch Trials The Migazaws Case The Bobby Dunbar case The Timothy Pitizen case The Gareth Williams assassination
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I’ve Cracked Zodiac, a French Engineer Says..... https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/22/world/europe/france-zodiac-killer-cipher.html - Neils51 ( talk) 21:53, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
The title of the "Santa Barbara" section should be renamed to "Santa Barbara County". The murders in question in the section occurred in Lompoc, which is some 50 miles north of the City of Santa Barbara. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.71.206.53 ( talk) 16:42, September 21, 2021 (UTC)
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Zodiac solved October 6th 2021 2603:6010:5E34:7A62:50BA:35F6:6D20:BB33 ( talk) 03:56, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
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In the most recent update regarding the case breakers 2021 identification, it falsely states that they claim DNA from another murder connects Poste to the Zodiac crimes. It is documented in every article that they believe DNA might support the connection to the murder of Cheri Jo Bates, but they've been unsuccessful in getting that. Their basis for the connection to the Zodiac Killer is pictures of Poste that include facial scars matching the police sketches of the Zodiac Killer, as well as the letters of his name being taken out of one of the Zodiac's ciphers.
Suggested change: 2000s development section, final paragraph, change:
In October 2021, The Case Breakers, a team of over 40 cold case investigators composed of former law enforcement investigators, military intelligence officers and journalists, claimed to have identified the Zodiac Killer as Gary Francis Poste, who died in 2018. The team claimed DNA from a murder committed a hundred miles away from the other crimes, previously unattributed to the Zodiac, matched Poste's DNA, as well as scars on his forehead matching those described on the killer.
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In October 2021, The Case Breakers, a team of over 40 cold case investigators composed of former law enforcement investigators, military intelligence officers and journalists, claimed to have identified the Zodiac Killer as Gary Francis Poste, who died in 2018. They claim that photos from Poste's darkroom include images of Poste with facial scars matching those on sketches of the Zodiac Killer. They further revealed that in one of the Zodiac Killer's letters, Poste's full name was removed to reveal another message.
The citation following could probably be www.fox13now.com/news/national-news/investigators-say-theyve-finally-identified-the-zodiac-killer%3f_amp=true since that seems to be the one that broke the news. 2600:1009:B02E:5C4C:B9DF:7A4B:E9AD:1E6D ( talk) 21:48, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
It should also state that the FBI announced they are investigating this lead as that was immediately announced as soon as this story broke. Colliric ( talk) 00:34, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
The "Public Speculation" and "21st century developments" section both have significant overlaps in content and subject matter with regards to the new suspect Gary Poste. Shouldn't all the info be in one spot and not duplicated as it is now? Reflecktor ( talk) 13:11, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
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Updating "State(s)" and adding brackets around California, to link to the wikipedia page. 75.186.18.51 ( talk) 02:06, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
"In 2021 it was revealed that the identity of the Zodiac Killer was revealed to be a man by the name of Gary Francis Poste, who passed away in 2018." This statement, on top of being unsourced, is way too absolute. The truth here is that yet another person has been pointed out as the Zodiac Killer, and going by statements in media, the claimed evidence is pretty circumstantial.
This section of the text, if not outright removed, should be reworded and have a citation attached to it. 2A00:801:2D2:DBA7:591C:7CF2:F1D6:65B7 ( talk) 10:02, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
His name is Gary.F Poste and he Died in 2018. I have some proof it's https://jtacnews.com/13043/uncategorized/zodiac-killer-possibly-identified/,https://deadline.com/2021/10/zodiac-killer-bay-area-criminal-case-breakers-1234851218/,https://www.the-sun.com/news/3808404/zodiac-killer-gary-poste-francis-solved-dna-code-suspects/. Thegibuspyro ( talk) 16:04, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
Oh, but should we wait because it's important? or just make New contents. Thegibuspyro ( talk) 15:07, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
"1969 mailings and 2020 breakthrough" why are we making it sound like its solved?
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I'm thinking that if we have only one of the two SFPD composite sketches of the Stine murderer, wouldn't it make more sense to use the amended sketch (which witnesses felt was more accurate) rather than the original? Global Cerebral Ischemia ( talk) 01:50, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
A person by the name of "Tom Voigt" often inserts himself into articles/pages about the Zodiac Killer. He has done it on this page and I believe it is irrelevant and should be removed: "and author Tom Voigt, a Zodiac Killer investigator, called the claims "bullshit". Voigt noted that no witnesses in the case described Zodiac as having scars on his forehead.[99]"
Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.190.38.123 ( talk) 13:14, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
Regarding the section on Gary Francis Poste being identified as the Zodiac Killer, wouldn't it be best to take this development with a grain of salt? This development didn't come from any of the police departments investigating the case, but from a group of private individuals. Should their word really carry that much weight? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.47.95.249 ( talk) 16:16, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
For now, it's just a suspicious. This is not the first time that a group or person claimed to have "identified" the guy. For now, the police hasn't confirmed it or denied it. It's ok to be in the article, in a specific section with the appropriate context, but not on the lead, like this was something new and ground breaking. We should wait and see at least until the police speaks on this with more clarity cuz, so far, the case remains open. Coltsfan ( talk) 18:03, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
The case remains open until the police declare it shut, but I think I speak for most people when I say he's definitely the Prime Suspect now and will probably be so from now on. The evidence they presented was very highly convincing. The FBI and has already announced they will be pursuing this lead now. Colliric ( talk) 21:29, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
You guys think they're actually going to "catch him?" Turtleshell3 ( talk) 14:03, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
New editor 2230redondo is editing the related article Zodiac Killer in popular culture pushing recent events into a long rambling lede, that has been reverted by two editors, Materialscientist and myself; and tagged with the rather benign {{ Lead too long}} by Earle Bartibus Huxley.
I've reverted them twice already (with explanatory edit summaries and messages on their talk page), and am loathe to edit-war myself; but input from the editors here would be welcome (including telling me that I'm off-base and that 2230redondo's edits are generally an improvement, if that's the case). I'm posting here because the IPC article doesn't get that much traffic and I know that this one does.
Thanks. TJRC ( talk) 03:53, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
The new information is far from rambling and includes a pivotal article written by THE Zodiac Killer Reporter - Kevin Fagan - The most talked about subject in the Zodiac Killer world today is who has 'really' decoded the ciphers. Especially the 340 cipher. This new information is an example of pop culture 'True Crime' Literature. It is highly appropriate and very well written, if I say so myself.
The objection of the materialist and TJ is inexplicable as the entire page has been abandon for at least 2 years. Why are they so active to remove this information. The information has more citation than any post on the page, just click the links and examine the volume of detailed information.
Maybe those two should take more time to research what is being said and look at the work on the links, than exercise domain over the page as if they own the world of words on the Zodiac. Personally, I have not heard a cogent, intelligent, or reasonable answer to why they want it to go, except that they deleted it.
Please explain to everyone why you think it is rambling... It seems very specific and it is explosive, which the rules state that we should overlook the 2 paragraph rule if the information is enticing and draws the reader in. Well, Identifying the 'REAL:' name of the Zodiac and solving the My Name Is... Cifer is pretty interesting in the pop culture world of the Zodiac Killer.
So, why don't you and materialist chill out and let readers take in the information and view some comments, before you start a war, which you seem intent on doing. Now if you are hiding your 'real' identity 'David' and your results don't match up with what is here, maybe you should show your work vs. just telling people the FBI said you achieved the correct answer. I am waiting to see it..
Please. show us all!
2230 Redondo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2230redondo ( talk • contribs) 04:16, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
"Cheri Jo Bates, 18: stabbed to death and nearly decapitated on October 30, 1966, at Riverside City College in Riverside. Bates's possible connection to the Zodiac only appeared four years after her murder when San Francisco Chronicle reporter Paul Avery received a tip regarding similarities between the Zodiac killings and the circumstances surrounding Bates's death.[46]"
The above is incorrect. Here is the correct info, which has been documented on the Internet since 1998: https://zodiackiller.com/RiversideMemo1.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by TomVoigtZodiac ( talk • contribs) 19:20, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
17 days before the Lake Herman Road murders, a San Francisco bank branch of the listed above bank found a note full of weird misspellings and syntax errors. It was signed "zodiac" and was taken into FBI custody. It should be on this article. Here's a link to the full story: [2] ~ Dxrd, 15:56, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Apparently the 340 character message has been solved and validated by the FBI.
https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/how-mathematicians-cracked-the-zodiac-killers-cipher Soccerguy243 ( talk) 11:41, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
A man named William Mcduff Andrew, is being toted as the new Zodiac Suspect, though currently all evidence against him is circumstantial, it's certainly the strongest. he died in 2014. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Only One Zodiac ( talk • contribs) 18:42, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
Suspect list needs an update to include Edward Wayne Edwards, who is actually known, strictly for murdering couples and can be tied to the zodiac through some circumstantial evidence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Only One Zodiac ( talk • contribs) 18:46, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
The article claims that the San Francisco Chronicle received letters on October 13 and October 14, each containing pieces of Paul Stine's shirttail. This is incorrect. There was only one letter received, on October 13, and it only included one piece of the shirt. The threat against school children was made in the same letter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.37.139.243 ( talk) 02:50, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
It should be mentioned that there are similarities between Zodiac and the fictional character Francis Dolarhyde, either on the Zodiac Killer page, the Zodiac Killer in popular culture page, and the Francis Dolarhyde page. These are that he killed by the moon cycles and likely (but not for certain) has multiple personalities. The Hunt for the Zodiac Documentary in 2017 proves these connections. It talks about how each known slaying occurs during a Dali Day on the 13-moon calendar and how one of Zodiac's sketches sent to the police reflects this. There was also an alleged solving of the z340 cypher in 2017. The documentary did not reveal the name of the killer outright. I wanted to talk about some of this. He bears similarities to Dennis Rader and Joseph James DeAngelo, who could be placed under See Also. Additionally, Dennis Rader has been identified as a suspect, albeit a highly improbable one, for the Zodiac killings. The same is true for a man [whose name I will not mention until it is absolutely okay to do so or if this individual is dead] who matches the Zodiac sketch and possessed rare comic books featuring phrases and killer themes similar to what the Zodiac included in his letters. This man could be a more probable suspect. In the event that the Zodiac Killer is identified and/or apprehended in the future, this article should be greatly shortened in order to deprive this individual of undue attention. Please take this into consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SomeoneWWTSI ( talk • contribs) 17:52, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
MisterCrusca ( talk · contribs) keeps adding an alleged Italian suspect to the article, sourced only to two Italian sources. In response to a request for evidence that the theory has any currency outside Italy, they added a reference from The Sun, which is anything but a reliable source, and there is no evidence that this theory is even taken seriously in Italy, much less in the US. Please provide better sourcing if you want this to be kept in the article. Acroterion (talk) 16:18, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
"Public speculation" was the original subtitle of the paragraph "Other suspects". I think it was more appropriate. Joseph Bevilacqua is American and has been discussed as a possible suspect on Reddit and forums since 2018. Certain observations imply that Gary Poste should be considered more seriously than Bevilacqua because the original source is Fox News instead of Italian newspapers. I do not now if this could work. Even if I do not think that is diriment, I could reply that Bevilacqua has been investigated by some authority, at least. MisterCrusca ( talk) 17:42, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
Yes, if you can wait MisterCrusca ( talk) 17:56, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
He is Gary Francis Poste. Barnacles14 ( talk) 02:09, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
Not unidentified* Barnacles14 ( talk) 02:11, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
In his 1976 autobiography, Melvin Belli described an engineered encounter with a Riverside law student who had allegedly claimed to be the Zodiac Killer. Upon meeting the young man face-to-face, Belli decided that they were investigating the wrong man for the Zodiac crimes. In 2002, Robert Graysmith described the possibility that a former student of Pacific High School, in the San Bernardino area, was the source of the Zodiac alias. Eventually it came out in online posts that both accounts referred to the same person. While much of what is online and in print is juvenile gossip, and the young man has been cleared repeatedly, he has confirmed that he did use the nickname Zodiac while a teenager. As the logo in the Cheri "Jo" Bates letter resembles the young man's initials, MLZ or simply MZ, the Zodiac killer or killers apparently wanted to implicate this individual. The fake "Patricia Hautz" letter in 1967 further supports this.
[Melvin Belli My Life on Trial, pages 295-296]
[Zodiac Unmasked, Graysmith, pg 74]
[Pacific High School Yearbooks, 1963-1965. Photos posted in Zodiac discussions show and name the young man. I own a copy of the 1964 yearbook as displayed and sold by Classmates.com]
Thorough, but not publicly visible. Morf13 was the author.
This is a sample of the less focused summaries.
[Note that the young man went on to run for public office. As a public figure, and because of the importance to homicide investigations, it would be reasonable to name him.] VallejoHistory ( talk) 10:30, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
I tried to be concise, but as a fellow editor deleted my previous addition to the article page, I have written a verbose version here in case anybody has comments.
Regarding Robert Graysmith's ZODIAC book (The Yellow Book, YB):
The book is of high quality, though not perfect.
The book is a standard reference for people studying the Zodiac case.
Sensationalism present in Graysmith's later writing is largely absent from this publication.
Graysmith's ZODIAC books list of 49 individuals (confirmed + possible victims):
Many of these are already on the Wikipedia article page.
Zodiac varied his MO in the confirmed killings, just as Graysmith's list allows for new and varied MO's.
Donna Lass vanished in 1970, after some people claim that the Zodiac killings ended. — Preceding
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Zodiac declared that he would strangle by "Rope" in the October 27, 1970 letter.
The Santa Rosa Hitchhiker Murders included many strangulations.
The Santa Rosa Hitchhiker Murders were abductions, as were the likely Zodiac attacks on Donna Lass, Kathleen Johns, and Isobel Watson.
Zodiac is an accepted suspect in the Santa Rosa Hitchhiker Murders, and is listed as a suspect the article page for those murders.
Graysmith's list, though imperfect, has held up well over time.
Online researchers certainly take the list seriously.
(Also, "Rope" is the name of a Hitchcock film and the director shot Shadow of a Doubt in Santa Rosa.)
Often when a specific suspect is considered, murders not on the "short list" are considered. For example, discussions of Larry Kane usually include the murder of Dana Lull.
Given the brutality, premeditation, and goal of disgracing law enforcement, I don't believe that Zodiac stopped killing in 1969.
I know that the murder of JonBenet Ramsey at first seems unrelated to Zodiac killings, but the links are there:
The references to crime films in the "Ransom note." (Well attested in print.)
Zodiac inspired Dirty Harry, one of the films referenced. (The Zodiac inspiration for the film is on the film's article page.)
Claims that the "Ransom note" writing is similar to Zodiac's. (John A. Cameron)
The feminine style of the note echoes Zodiac's fake "Patricia Hautz" letter.
The possibility that Zodiac wore a disguise, such as a Santa Suit. (Cameron)
The possibility that the killer made snuff films of the killing fits with Zodiac's film interest and is probably why Zodiac apparently abducted many victims from 1970 onward.
The intent of the above is to make readers aware of the many possible Zodiac murders. The more data points to consider, the better people can explore patterns. Readers given a view of the case as it was perceived in 1970 will assume that there is nothing further to learn, discuss, or consider. VallejoHistory ( talk) 08:35, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
There's been a fair bit of discussion in the field of forensic psychology etc about the psychological profile of the Zodiac and there's also been some discussion regarding his physical one. Shouldn't this be on this page? Reflecktor ( talk) 09:29, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Yes, I know that law enforcement generally believes that a single Zodiac perpetrator became intimidated by the manly police of San Francisco in 1969 and converted to a flag-waving, Bible-thumping John Wayne fan who spent his free time teaching girl scouts car repair (and became a close friend of Mother Teresa, too). As far as I know, evidence that Zodiac repented, reformed, or went cold turkey on murder has always been a little thin. A psychologist (or similar) did interpret "A Citizen" to mean that Zodiac attained a degree of accomplishment and recognition sufficient to overcome feelings of inadequacy in society and no longer felt the need to exhibit life-and-dearth power over others. I recommend reading Tom Voigt's Just the Facts. The autopsy reports make it clear that Zodiac's hatred for women and disdain for society was not a whim or passing interest.
I do own all the print publications which I cite. I have been spending free time during Covid studying and discussing the case. Sadly, Zodiac has been able to slaughter woman after woman for decades without apparently serving prison time for any murder. Simply changing his MO and ending claims of individual killings was all that was needed to befuddle law enforcement. Bureaucrats have embraced the fantasy that law enforcement has had no need to spend resources on Zodiac, as he was a small player. This is a tragic mistake, and history will not treat law enforcement kindly.
If anyone does have proof that Zodiac stopped killing in 1969 or 1970 or 1971 or 1972 or 1973, kindly share it. Otherwise readers will be stuck with law enforcement's fantasy that Zodiac simply faded away. Readers will not explore the victim discussions in print and online.
Thank you. VallejoHistory ( talk) 15:08, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Personally speaking, the irony of this obv. publicity hungry guy claiming credit for crimes proven not to be his (Radetich, very likely Cheri Jo Bates etc.) and encouraging speculation as to the number of his crimes while comparing murder to sex with women as he wrote cryptic letters (some only recently transcribed) claiming he adores his believed beckoning of a "Paradice Life" with slaves (male and female) he was collecting, and welcoming his death for a better reborn life than his Earthly own one tells me all I need to know about him and his inadequacy, and his need/thirst to be noticed. One note he wrote saying to the effect "I only look like that when committing my murders" shortly before skulking off into almost complete silence tells me all I personally need to know about this guy and his reasoning in his life before he went silent of his own accord-after the identikits were published- with his tail between his legs and while writing, increasingly infrequently, of his "lonely TV addict score" = guess, "SFPD" = 0 sign-offs with claims (even numerically) to murders he never even described.-- Kieronoldham ( talk) 21:55, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
The following seems to have been deleted, but if people want to discuss it, here it is:
"Author Søren Roest Korsgaard explains that the "episode" paragraph in this letter referenced the Alfred Hitchcock Presents episode Museum Piece. The attachment of a light to a gun was a plot element which Zodiac adopted. The episode dialog also contains the phrase "The most dangerous game." Zodiac was both referencing and acting out Hitchcock story elements."
The episode is online from various sources. The one available on The Roku Channel seems OK, though other sources may have better image quality.
Korsgaard's book is America's Jack the Ripper: The Definitive Account of the Zodiac Killer. This is an updated edition. It was published in 2020. Most of what Korsgaard writes regarding the episode has been discussed for years online.
Note that there is no imagination required and no disagreement among people who have seen the episode. The August 1969 Zodiac letter certainly refers to this episode.
I had added Hitchcockian under See also. VallejoHistory ( talk) 10:22, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
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The line, "In October 2021, the Case Breakers, a team of over 40 cold case investigators..." should be changed to "In October 2021, The Case Breakers, a team of over 40 cold case investigators..." HogunDogun ( talk) 11:08, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
New book: How to Find Zodiac by Jarett Kobek. All I know is in this article: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/30/zodiac-killer-jarett-kobek-california 173.30.64.118 ( talk) 06:08, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
The article can't make up its mind which name to use. 31.51.14.209 ( talk) 21:00, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
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Would you please include the Person of Interest sketch from Lake Berryessa. Even if you say, this was a sketch of a person thought to be lurking during the day of the murder of Cecelia Shepard. How can you be credible without it? 2603:8000:AD43:D3EC:D451:883E:5BB7:679 ( talk) 03:09, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
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Code Z13 has been cracked on May 9th 2023 by Michael Klemer, Germany. Z13 cracked Jochen Merkle ( talk) 17:38, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
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In Murders and correspondence/First letters from the Zodiac, end of 4th paragraph's first sentence, a slash was typed instead of a period. AlcoholicGel ( talk) 14:52, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
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Yasien Ibrahim Eldieb ( talk) 15:21, 4 July 2023 (UTC) Its called paradise not paradice
From the Blue Meanies (Yellow Submarine)'s wiki entry:
It's most likely "the zodiac" read that newspaper and borrowed it from it or from it's peers-to-lingo press.- User:Dxrd, January 1st, 2022. 22:22 PM.
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Zodiac did not claim to have murdered 37 people. He just stated the number 37 in a communication. Please delete this false information. 2A00:23C6:410F:A001:6908:F848:BECB:549B ( talk) 21:46, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Content draft: Since the early years, there has been support for Zodiac intentionally linking crimes by showing preferences for certain elements of attacks:
Locations near water[], such as Lake Herman Road and Lake Berryessa.
Attacking close to holidays[] and other significant dates, including Independence Day and Halloween.
Many more possible links have been considered over the years. Targeting young couples seemed intentional based upon the first attacks for which Zodiac took credit. Using .22 caliber long round ammunition may have been a preference. The shooting of taxi driver Paul Stine appears to have been an intentional repeat of the killing of taxi driver Ray Davis. Zodiac possibly killed other individuals with the surname Davis[], including Elaine Davis (1969, Walnut Creek) and Carolyn Davis (1973)[].
Notes: I am considering a new section for this. It does not seem to fit with any existing section.
The phrasing can be debated. "Water references" perhaps should be included because of Riverside. I did add "other significant dates" because Cheri Jo Bates died close to Halloween.
This topic is significant because there are many unconfirmed Zodiac crimes which may share links with the confirmed and likely Zodiac attacks.
Sources: Graysmith's 1986 book is the primary source. It discusses the water and significant day link (pages 80-81) and lists Elaine Davis and Carolyn Davis as possible Zodiac victims (pages 309, 311). For Carolyn Davis, I will provide a link to her section of the SRHM page.
For the Davis name, tentatively I will also cite a self-published book which I co-authored. I will not mention other possible Davis victims or Davis references discussed in the book, however.
VallejoHistory ( talk) 21:49, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
Zodiac attacked 7 people and 5 died. He never claimed that he had killed 37 people. There is no Zodiac communication where he claims to have killed 37 people. This is false information which needs to be deleted ASAP. 2A00:23C6:410F:A001:8902:3053:99AF:ED45 ( talk) 15:57, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
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Change Cipher to cipher. 5.46.53.81 ( talk) 18:22, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
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Change: In October 2021, the Case Breakers, a team indicating that have over forty former law enforcement investigators, military intelligence officers, and journalists
To: In October 2021, the Case Breakers, a team consisting of over forty former law enforcement investigators, military intelligence officers, and journalists Joshgrosz ( talk) 14:14, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
The killer never claimed to have killed 37 people in any communication. He simply stated the number 37 in one letter.
Please delete this false information from the “Details” section. 2A00:23C6:410F:A001:1C2A:F2CC:7CC0:B62C ( talk) 22:34, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
Change "Diane Ohlig" to "Diane Uhlig". See the referenced article for correct spelling of name. https://www.hmbreview.com/news/authorities-take-new-look-at-50-year-old-coastside-killing-that-still-shocks-conscience/article_c9ea0584-afab-11ec-b245-a72108e8b7a2.html WA-Bit-Tiger ( talk) 17:00, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Put links to the suspects wiki pages on their names. 46.132.67.255 ( talk) 15:14, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Change: the suspect, described as undefined was in fact discovered in 2018 by Francesco Amicone through a letter sent by the killer himself to the papers years prior, in the letter signed Zodiac a code that would have had revealed the name of the Zodiac once translated was present. Amicone was able to translate the unknown code thanks to a suspect he had managed to work his way to while investigating on both the Zodiac killer and The Monster Of Florence. The suspect, Joseph (Joe) Bevilacqua gave the Italian (Francesco Amicone) instructions on how to solve the code and once translated the 13 character code revealed one name, the one of the suspect himself, Joe Bevilacqua. Francesco Amicone has publicized all of his studies and are claimed by many to be the ones conducting to the infamous Killer Of The Zodiac, whom then later moved to Florence when the suspect (Joe Bevilacqua) started another killing spree, accordingly under the name; The Monster Of Florence given to him by the papers of the time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antonioravenga ( talk • contribs) 19:18, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
I just read an article in "The Register" stating with authority that the code has been completely and recently broken by a combination of "crowd source" investigators, and a newly advanced software, plus two high-powered cryptographers who were sharing the credit with everyone involved over decades. Said there was one final uncracked code and not two as this Article states,so I wonder how out-of-date this Article is. 2603:8081:3A00:30DF:8ACF:679C:8748:31DA ( talk) 00:30, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuNyQ44JYxM - Video from a member of the group that decrypted the 340 cipher in 2020, with explanations about the history of process. 92.37.137.132 ( talk) 02:28, 19 April 2024 (UTC)