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I have removed the phrase "and presumbably further Harry Potter films" from the sentence about her role as Madam Hooch, as it is only vague speculation. I just thought I'd better say this, so that people don't think I'm trying to sneakily remove information from articles. -- Oliver PEREIRA 01:19 Jan 17, 2003 (UTC)
Is she still a US citizen, though? If so, then I think it's worth mentioning in the article, as "American" might be interpreted to mean by birth only. -- Oliver P. 13:09 4 Jun 2003 (UTC)
2601:645:C300:C1C:B088:DEF3:E1E9:C73D ( talk) 07:38, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Should this not be at Zoë Wanamaker instead of Zoe Wanamaker? She does seem to use the "ë", and that's where her IMDB page is located. — sjorford ++ 14:13, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Is it worth mentioning she's been the voice actress for Fable 2 (As Theresa) and has spoken over numerous television adverts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.45.134.188 ( talk) 20:13, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
www.zoewanamaker.com is official [1] - if you disagree please learn to read. "by the fans" means it is fan run, it has been made official by the woman herself. Hence the liberal use of the word "official". -- JCrue ( talk) 20:16, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
An IP editor 62.30.140.42 has changed nationality from American-British to American-English. What do other editors feel about this change? I don't have any strong feeling towards one or the other but think it is something that should be discussed on the talk page here. All comments welcomed. Thanks. Zarcadia ( talk) 21:13, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Where has she stated that she wishes to be referred to as an actor? Her own website refers to her as an actress. In the UK "actor" has fairly strong male connotations and it just sounds wrong when referring to a woman. Although I haven't done exhaustive searches, other actresses' articles refer to them as actresses, not actors. Will Bradshaw ( talk) 00:48, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
I am not soaping any more or less then your are. I have given you numerous facts and you keep talking about feelings. Your quote from the OED combined with the numerous examples provided shows that the change has occurred and continues to do so. Moving away from sexist, racist, xenophobic terminology is always difficult and you may never be able to do so. Having said all of that until I can find the interview that she gave you are free to change this article back to the terminology of the the gender specific language that you can't live without. MarnetteD | Talk 13:39, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
Merciful heavens, what a merciless argument! If she calls herself "actress," then this article should call her an "actress." If she calls herself "actor," then this article should call her "actor." As to the word itself: Actor is one of several nouns borrowed from foreign languages into English that have distinct masculine and feminine forms. Actor is masculine; actress is feminine. Manager is masculine; manageress is feminine. Murderer is masculine; murderess is feminine. Author is masculine; authoress is feminine; mister/master (both English forms of magister) is masculine, mistress is feminine; and so on. Most of the feminine forms are archaic or obsolete in both American and British English. "Manageress" is still used in the UK (watch an episode of Coronation Street sometime) but is disappearing. Mister/Mistress retains male/female distinction because they are used as honorifics -- with Mister usually abbreviated to Mr while Mistress is abbreviated or contracted to Mrs, Miss, and Ms. Master, which is ultimate the same word as Mister, has lost its masculine distinction; though there was a case at McGill University 30 years ago, where a woman's academic degree was delayed while she petition the Board of Governors to be named a Mistress of Arts instead of being named a Master of Arts. Even in American English, actress and commedienne still have currency as feminine forms of actor and comedian. But regardless whether the feminine form is or is not used, "actor" is and will always be a masculine word; because whether the feminine form "actress" continues to be used or not, it will still exist. It is not going to disappear from the historical record. This is a key distinction between feminism in English and feminism in other languages. In English, we have focused on eliminated feminine forms of words while in Spanish, French and other languages, we have focused on creating them. The battle was easily won in Spain, where the Spanish Academy had no problem with la profesora, la doctora, la directora - at least as a linguistic matter. French women, on the other hand, had to fight long and hard to be recognised as "la professeure" instead of "Madame LE professeur" - because teaching was considered men's work, so a woman doing a man's job had to have the man's label "le professeur." To allow female teachers to call themselves "la professeure" would be to admit women were equal to men, at least in the classroom. L'Actrice (actress) was fine but "la metteure en scene," "la directrice" and - heaven forfend! - "la presidente" were quite out of the question, until the Academie Francaise was finally dragged kicking and screaming into the 20th century just as the 21rst century was fixing to start. "La professeure" became an official French word in 1978. 2601:645:C300:C1C:B088:DEF3:E1E9:C73D ( talk) 08:01, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
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Thank you to those who have been working on the charts. At this point however they need major improvement: The productions need to be italicized and properly capitalized, the roles need to be name-only (and at least two of the roles are missing and need to be added), productions without performing roles (such as A Streetcar Named Deisre) need to be removed, and the Notes section in Theatre Work needs to be removed or changed to citation-only because most of it is unnecessary or nonsensical and not even capitalized. Also, one cell of Video Games needs to be fixed. I'll give this about a week or so, and if these cleanups are not made I'll revert to the non-table versions, which were fine and within Wikipedia style and guidelines. Thanks. Pinging Winterysteppe and L1975p. Thanks again. -- Softlavender ( talk) 02:48, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
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I have removed the phrase "and presumbably further Harry Potter films" from the sentence about her role as Madam Hooch, as it is only vague speculation. I just thought I'd better say this, so that people don't think I'm trying to sneakily remove information from articles. -- Oliver PEREIRA 01:19 Jan 17, 2003 (UTC)
Is she still a US citizen, though? If so, then I think it's worth mentioning in the article, as "American" might be interpreted to mean by birth only. -- Oliver P. 13:09 4 Jun 2003 (UTC)
2601:645:C300:C1C:B088:DEF3:E1E9:C73D ( talk) 07:38, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Should this not be at Zoë Wanamaker instead of Zoe Wanamaker? She does seem to use the "ë", and that's where her IMDB page is located. — sjorford ++ 14:13, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Is it worth mentioning she's been the voice actress for Fable 2 (As Theresa) and has spoken over numerous television adverts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.45.134.188 ( talk) 20:13, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
www.zoewanamaker.com is official [1] - if you disagree please learn to read. "by the fans" means it is fan run, it has been made official by the woman herself. Hence the liberal use of the word "official". -- JCrue ( talk) 20:16, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
An IP editor 62.30.140.42 has changed nationality from American-British to American-English. What do other editors feel about this change? I don't have any strong feeling towards one or the other but think it is something that should be discussed on the talk page here. All comments welcomed. Thanks. Zarcadia ( talk) 21:13, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Where has she stated that she wishes to be referred to as an actor? Her own website refers to her as an actress. In the UK "actor" has fairly strong male connotations and it just sounds wrong when referring to a woman. Although I haven't done exhaustive searches, other actresses' articles refer to them as actresses, not actors. Will Bradshaw ( talk) 00:48, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
I am not soaping any more or less then your are. I have given you numerous facts and you keep talking about feelings. Your quote from the OED combined with the numerous examples provided shows that the change has occurred and continues to do so. Moving away from sexist, racist, xenophobic terminology is always difficult and you may never be able to do so. Having said all of that until I can find the interview that she gave you are free to change this article back to the terminology of the the gender specific language that you can't live without. MarnetteD | Talk 13:39, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
Merciful heavens, what a merciless argument! If she calls herself "actress," then this article should call her an "actress." If she calls herself "actor," then this article should call her "actor." As to the word itself: Actor is one of several nouns borrowed from foreign languages into English that have distinct masculine and feminine forms. Actor is masculine; actress is feminine. Manager is masculine; manageress is feminine. Murderer is masculine; murderess is feminine. Author is masculine; authoress is feminine; mister/master (both English forms of magister) is masculine, mistress is feminine; and so on. Most of the feminine forms are archaic or obsolete in both American and British English. "Manageress" is still used in the UK (watch an episode of Coronation Street sometime) but is disappearing. Mister/Mistress retains male/female distinction because they are used as honorifics -- with Mister usually abbreviated to Mr while Mistress is abbreviated or contracted to Mrs, Miss, and Ms. Master, which is ultimate the same word as Mister, has lost its masculine distinction; though there was a case at McGill University 30 years ago, where a woman's academic degree was delayed while she petition the Board of Governors to be named a Mistress of Arts instead of being named a Master of Arts. Even in American English, actress and commedienne still have currency as feminine forms of actor and comedian. But regardless whether the feminine form is or is not used, "actor" is and will always be a masculine word; because whether the feminine form "actress" continues to be used or not, it will still exist. It is not going to disappear from the historical record. This is a key distinction between feminism in English and feminism in other languages. In English, we have focused on eliminated feminine forms of words while in Spanish, French and other languages, we have focused on creating them. The battle was easily won in Spain, where the Spanish Academy had no problem with la profesora, la doctora, la directora - at least as a linguistic matter. French women, on the other hand, had to fight long and hard to be recognised as "la professeure" instead of "Madame LE professeur" - because teaching was considered men's work, so a woman doing a man's job had to have the man's label "le professeur." To allow female teachers to call themselves "la professeure" would be to admit women were equal to men, at least in the classroom. L'Actrice (actress) was fine but "la metteure en scene," "la directrice" and - heaven forfend! - "la presidente" were quite out of the question, until the Academie Francaise was finally dragged kicking and screaming into the 20th century just as the 21rst century was fixing to start. "La professeure" became an official French word in 1978. 2601:645:C300:C1C:B088:DEF3:E1E9:C73D ( talk) 08:01, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
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