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I suggest splitting this article into Westerplatte (about the place) and Battle of Westerplatte. Sounds good? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 20:08, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
The link to gis.gdansk.pl is broken and redirects to gdansk.pl 83.29.215.226 10:40, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Piotrus ( talk · contribs), you seem confused both on the purpose of this article and on wiki policy.
Let me try to clarify some things for you. (1)The article is about Westerplatte. It is not some sort of shrine dedicated to the 1939 Battle of Westerplatte, it is simply an article about the Polish Military Transit Depot (WST), situated in the territory of the Free City of Danzig. As such it can contain a section on the 1939 battle, and any other intresting aspects related to it, whatever the year they refer to!
I write this referring to your revert where you refuse my request to take your perceived issues to the talk page: Qote your edit summary: (what's to take? 1933 events are completely irrelevant to the 1939 ones, unless you can cite a scholarly ref that draws a connection)
I hope we can agree that this article is not only about Westerplatte during the year 1939? Otherwise we must rename it. If you feel that the link to the Gleiwitz incident is too tenuous, then deleting that sentence would have sufficed nicely.
(2) I think the fact that Poland in 1933 offered France that they would manufacture a staged "incident" in Westerplatte in order to justify a war against Germany is quite Notable. If you disagree then take your arguments to the talk page. Simply reverting and refusing to discuss is very impolite. I attach the disputed text below:
Polish 1933 War Proposal
The above comment has only one purpose: to unfairly portray Poland as an aggressive country, the intention expressed especially by the use of double quotes around the "preventive war". The author somehow fails to notice that the "Polish dictator's" proposal was issued after Adolf Hitler became democratically elected leader of the great German nation and that its pure intention WAS to prevent the bloodshed that followed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.218.41.190 ( talk) 18:51, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
I hope you can now agree on including the text, or present a reasonable argument against the inclusion!-- Stor stark7 Talk 18:16, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Somebody requested a third opinion. It looks like you two have come to consensus here, so I'm not sure what opining you need.
I agree that the fact is interesting and relevant. It would be better if you could link to some other article that discussed the topic further, and I'd be inclined to replace the phrase "Polish dictator" with the name of the person involved. As to not having a history section, perhaps you could create one, although since the bulk of the article seems to be military history, having it as a top-level section seemed like a reasonable start.
Piotrus, I'll add that removing somebody's good-faith edit with "totally irrelevant" does not demonstrate the consideration due your fellow editors. Reverting a second time after being asked to discuss it on the talk page is inappropriate, borders on edit warring, and contributed to Stor stark7 being needlessly riled up. In the future, I'd recommend trying to show a little more grace. William Pietri ( talk) 03:30, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Earlier History of Westerplatte in Prussia, Germany, Freie Stadt Danzig (which Radeszk and Jazurek keep removing, to keep you from knowing about)
Ostseebad Westerplatte was like Ostseebad Broesen and Ostseebad Heubude a Baltic Sea Resort, see photos/postcards [2] The resort/health spa on the peninsula Westerplatte was established c1830 and had a beach, forrested park, Kurhaus and other oceanside baths and health spa facilities.
March 14, 1924 the League of Nations gave Poland authorization to use the Westerplatte for Polish ammunition and other war material equipment transport, under protest of the Danzig Senate and the Senate President Heinrich Sahm. It did not become Polish State territory, but was under control of Polish military, which in effect controlled Danzig's shipping lane from the harbor to the open Baltic Sea.
The Westerplatte then became famous for the Battle of Westerplatte, which was the first clash between Polish and German forces. It was followed by the Invasion of Poland and thus the first battle of the European theater of World War II. ( 71.137.194.46 ( talk) 07:40, 28 October 2009 (UTC))
Since User:Radeksz and User:Jacurek repeatedly remove historical information and references, which do not suit their oneside POV, I had posted the historical information about Westerplatte here.
http://www.google.com book search (till 1914) shows a number of books about the Westerplatte Badeort or Ostseebad (meaning seaside or spa resort) along with other seaside spa resorts (Badeort, Seebad, Ostseebad)
A few samples from google book search results:
The earliest book mentioning Westerplatte resort was printed 1837 (not 1857 as typed in) named 'Preussische Provinzial Blaetter', Dr. Hagen, Koenigsberg. Shows Seebad Westerplatte page 285, mentions that that year was very warm and seaside resorts were heavily visited, unlike the year before.
A 1886 book 'Zeitschrift des Koeniglich Preussischen Statistischen Bureaus', E. Blenck, shows statitics of ownership of different places Page 247 shows Die Gemeinde (the community of Danzig) owns the Westerplatte resort.
A book : 'Archiv fuer Anthropologie Vol. 19' page 150 shows , that at the newly built hall at Kurhaus (spa resort building) Westerplatte a Festessen (banquet dinner) was held.
A number of physicians, therapeutical, other health related books are shown, which mention Westerplatte health spa.
About the photos/ postcards of Westerplatte (mentioned above), the site is from Poland. Here is another url [3], click on Old Postcards. This shows old photos of the different Badeorte/Ostseebaeder in the Danzig district and clarifies the locations. ( 71.137.194.46 ( talk) 17:45, 29 October 2009 (UTC))
It would be interesting to know why the name Westerplatte never was Polonized after WWII — unlike all the other German names in the Danzig / Gdańsk area. Sca ( talk) 23:42, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
This article is currently at start/C class, but could be improved to B-class if it had more (inline) citations. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 22:06, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
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I suggest splitting this article into Westerplatte (about the place) and Battle of Westerplatte. Sounds good? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 20:08, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
The link to gis.gdansk.pl is broken and redirects to gdansk.pl 83.29.215.226 10:40, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Piotrus ( talk · contribs), you seem confused both on the purpose of this article and on wiki policy.
Let me try to clarify some things for you. (1)The article is about Westerplatte. It is not some sort of shrine dedicated to the 1939 Battle of Westerplatte, it is simply an article about the Polish Military Transit Depot (WST), situated in the territory of the Free City of Danzig. As such it can contain a section on the 1939 battle, and any other intresting aspects related to it, whatever the year they refer to!
I write this referring to your revert where you refuse my request to take your perceived issues to the talk page: Qote your edit summary: (what's to take? 1933 events are completely irrelevant to the 1939 ones, unless you can cite a scholarly ref that draws a connection)
I hope we can agree that this article is not only about Westerplatte during the year 1939? Otherwise we must rename it. If you feel that the link to the Gleiwitz incident is too tenuous, then deleting that sentence would have sufficed nicely.
(2) I think the fact that Poland in 1933 offered France that they would manufacture a staged "incident" in Westerplatte in order to justify a war against Germany is quite Notable. If you disagree then take your arguments to the talk page. Simply reverting and refusing to discuss is very impolite. I attach the disputed text below:
Polish 1933 War Proposal
The above comment has only one purpose: to unfairly portray Poland as an aggressive country, the intention expressed especially by the use of double quotes around the "preventive war". The author somehow fails to notice that the "Polish dictator's" proposal was issued after Adolf Hitler became democratically elected leader of the great German nation and that its pure intention WAS to prevent the bloodshed that followed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.218.41.190 ( talk) 18:51, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
I hope you can now agree on including the text, or present a reasonable argument against the inclusion!-- Stor stark7 Talk 18:16, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Somebody requested a third opinion. It looks like you two have come to consensus here, so I'm not sure what opining you need.
I agree that the fact is interesting and relevant. It would be better if you could link to some other article that discussed the topic further, and I'd be inclined to replace the phrase "Polish dictator" with the name of the person involved. As to not having a history section, perhaps you could create one, although since the bulk of the article seems to be military history, having it as a top-level section seemed like a reasonable start.
Piotrus, I'll add that removing somebody's good-faith edit with "totally irrelevant" does not demonstrate the consideration due your fellow editors. Reverting a second time after being asked to discuss it on the talk page is inappropriate, borders on edit warring, and contributed to Stor stark7 being needlessly riled up. In the future, I'd recommend trying to show a little more grace. William Pietri ( talk) 03:30, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Earlier History of Westerplatte in Prussia, Germany, Freie Stadt Danzig (which Radeszk and Jazurek keep removing, to keep you from knowing about)
Ostseebad Westerplatte was like Ostseebad Broesen and Ostseebad Heubude a Baltic Sea Resort, see photos/postcards [2] The resort/health spa on the peninsula Westerplatte was established c1830 and had a beach, forrested park, Kurhaus and other oceanside baths and health spa facilities.
March 14, 1924 the League of Nations gave Poland authorization to use the Westerplatte for Polish ammunition and other war material equipment transport, under protest of the Danzig Senate and the Senate President Heinrich Sahm. It did not become Polish State territory, but was under control of Polish military, which in effect controlled Danzig's shipping lane from the harbor to the open Baltic Sea.
The Westerplatte then became famous for the Battle of Westerplatte, which was the first clash between Polish and German forces. It was followed by the Invasion of Poland and thus the first battle of the European theater of World War II. ( 71.137.194.46 ( talk) 07:40, 28 October 2009 (UTC))
Since User:Radeksz and User:Jacurek repeatedly remove historical information and references, which do not suit their oneside POV, I had posted the historical information about Westerplatte here.
http://www.google.com book search (till 1914) shows a number of books about the Westerplatte Badeort or Ostseebad (meaning seaside or spa resort) along with other seaside spa resorts (Badeort, Seebad, Ostseebad)
A few samples from google book search results:
The earliest book mentioning Westerplatte resort was printed 1837 (not 1857 as typed in) named 'Preussische Provinzial Blaetter', Dr. Hagen, Koenigsberg. Shows Seebad Westerplatte page 285, mentions that that year was very warm and seaside resorts were heavily visited, unlike the year before.
A 1886 book 'Zeitschrift des Koeniglich Preussischen Statistischen Bureaus', E. Blenck, shows statitics of ownership of different places Page 247 shows Die Gemeinde (the community of Danzig) owns the Westerplatte resort.
A book : 'Archiv fuer Anthropologie Vol. 19' page 150 shows , that at the newly built hall at Kurhaus (spa resort building) Westerplatte a Festessen (banquet dinner) was held.
A number of physicians, therapeutical, other health related books are shown, which mention Westerplatte health spa.
About the photos/ postcards of Westerplatte (mentioned above), the site is from Poland. Here is another url [3], click on Old Postcards. This shows old photos of the different Badeorte/Ostseebaeder in the Danzig district and clarifies the locations. ( 71.137.194.46 ( talk) 17:45, 29 October 2009 (UTC))
It would be interesting to know why the name Westerplatte never was Polonized after WWII — unlike all the other German names in the Danzig / Gdańsk area. Sca ( talk) 23:42, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
This article is currently at start/C class, but could be improved to B-class if it had more (inline) citations. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 22:06, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
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