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So, there was a healthy discussion about the use of "attack" here on this TP, proposed and before it could be completed, someone jumped the gun, and gave us "2021 Waukesha car crash".
Yeah. A crash. In a mid size town somewhere in the mid-West. Yep. The one and only "2021 Waukesha car crash".
I recommend this be reverted and we go back to the original, unique, WP:NATURAL, highly descriptive "2021 Waukesha Christmas Parade Attack". XavierItzm ( talk) 14:18, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
Mr. Kotlarek said the driver appeared to intentionally steer toward people. That account had not been confirmed by the police.( source). This makes it clear that sources are not authoritatively reporting that this was an attack. A better title can still be discussed, but it's important to avoid BLP violations. Elli ( talk | contribs) 14:24, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
The title is imperfect, but as the discussion notes, there are other pages on similar incidents with similar titles. -- Delta1989 ( talk) ( contributions) 14:31, 22 November 2021 (UTC)Senior law enforcement officials say a person of interest who may have a significant criminal history was being questioned overnight. Investigators are probing the possibility whoever was behind the wheel had been involved in an earlier incident involving a knife and was fleeing when the vehicle reached the parade just after 4:30 p.m., they said.
WP:DENY recognition to race baiting, and we generally avoid polemic sources.
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What is needing to be discussed by this edit? Why is it not allowed? However, an investigation into Brooks' social media post that gives insight to his mindset and possible motivations for the attack revealed a variety of divisive and hateful posts. [1] In a now-deleted Facebook post, Brooks called for violence against White people. [2] [3] [4] He praised Adolf Hitler for killing Jews in the Holocaust. [2] [3] [4] He also called for violence against elderly White people before allegedly killing five elderly white people at the Waukesha parade attack, writing in a Facebook post on June 9, 2021 that "the old white ppl 2, KNOKK DEM TF OUT!!". [2] [3] [4] Police are investigating whether Brooks may have been fleeing from a nearby domestic disturbance when encountering the parade, or if there is another possible motive for the parade attack. [5]— Preceding unsigned comment added by Reaver55 ( talk • contribs) 02:41, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
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The moderators here like CNN and NBC only. They will not let any update till these news organisations confirm that it was a racial attack. Abheygpt1 ( talk) 22:25, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
The sources cited are: Fox News, Townhall, NY Post. These are partisan tabloids with repeatedly questionable journalism, pushing an agenda and coming up with their own characterizations of his social media posts. WP:WEIGHT is given to high quality neutral reliable sources. Compare the reporting from those sources to the Associated Press, NPR, New York Times, for example which are much more cautious and by and large have not commented on his social media posts. It is also unclear if these are related to the event at all which is exactly why these sources have not commented on it. Furthermore, investigators have not said that the motive is yet, and the investigation is ongoing. They will eventually release the findings of their investigations. Once that is done they will be reported on, and they will be included into this article. Harizotoh9 ( talk) 10:47, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
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What she did was so disgusting it should be in here. Why was it removed? It’s worthy of being talked about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eg224 ( talk • contribs) 22:57, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
A staff member saying something in another state is too tangential. It's a local political scandal that would be better on another page. Harizotoh9 ( talk) 10:41, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
The suspect's Ford Escape appeared in one of his music videos (shown here: https://heavy.com/news/darrell-brooks-jr) with the full license plate exposed. Looking that plate up comes up as a 2010 Ford Escape XLT. If I added that, would it be original research? Cutlass Ciera 12:59, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
Darrell Brooks was trying to strike “as many people as possible” when raced his car through a Christmas parade in Waukesha, Wisconsin, on Sunday, authorities said in a criminal complaint
Source https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/wisconsin-waukesha-victim-darrell-brooks-live-b1963284.html 98.233.226.209 ( talk) 07:03, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
He has a lengthy criminal record, including conviction of a sex offence against a minor in Nevada, he registered in the Nevada sex offenders list, moreover, an outstanding warrant has been issued in Nevada to arrest him, he freed on bail twice this year despite active warrant in Nevada (despite that, he was released from jail). NOTHING about all this things is mentioned in the article. Here is the source - [1]. It is an important info. 24.6.179.65 ( talk) 03:12, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
»Waukesha is a western suburb of Milwaukee, and about 55 miles north of Kenosha, where Kyle Rittenhouse was acquitted Friday of charges stemming from the shooting of three men during unrest in that city in August 2020.«
»Woynilko mentioned that as he rushed his pal to security and left the world, he overhead law enforcement officials describing the suspect as a Black male both within the crimson SUV or on foot.« tickle me 06:06, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
Tickle was explaining how they thought the suspect being black is "plausible", which is all irrelevant speculation and personal opinion. Nothing has been released or confirmed by authorities about the person of interest (not suspect). Authorities have not commented on whether this incident has anything to do with the Rittenhouse decision. When they have, that information will be included. Harizotoh9 ( talk) 10:24, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
What the suspect did aas the same as the suspect in Nice, France in 2016. The article for that event is called "Nice Truck Attack." There is no difference. Jaygo113 ( talk) 20:43, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
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"Police Chief Daniel Thompson said it was not a terrorist event.[12]"
"Terrorist" is a noun, not an adjective. I think "...said it was not an act of terrorism." is better. "Terrorist event" sounds like a professional convention/trade show for terrorists in Vegas, or a really badly named Halloween cosplay event, also likely held in Vegas...let's let these imaginary things that happen in this imaginary Vegas stay in the imaginary Vegas, and make this needed change. 174.193.195.141 ( talk) 05:24, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
It should be pointed out that the anonymous is not wrong. XavierItzm ( talk) 15:28, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
I have semi-protected this page for 1 day due to the 19 disruptive edits by IP users in the past 14 hours. A few WP:REVDELs were needed too. These edits are most likely due to coverage by Fox News and the rehashes of that coverage at NotTheBee, Law Officer.com, Reddit, and more. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:15, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
Their self-righteous anger is misdirected since Wikipedia is merely following the characterization of the attack by the mainstream media. When intentionality was not immediately obvious, it made sense to use crash. After intentionality was shown, and homicide characters were laid "attack" or something similar makes sense. Harizotoh9 ( talk) 20:39, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
Reporters and media outlets across the country have been...referring to the [2021 bad thing] as a "parade crash" rather than an attack or massacre.That's not a right-wing opinion, just a truncated matter of fact. InedibleHulk ( talk) 00:18, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
Here are the two definitions:
at·tack -
1. take aggressive action against (a place or enemy forces) with weapons or armed force, typically in a battle or war. 2. an aggressive and violent action against a person or place.
mas·sa·cre -
n. an indiscriminate and brutal slaughter of people. v. deliberately and violently kill (a large number of people).
As far as I can tell, massacre would be a better descriptor since the deliberate intent was to kill multiple people and/or an ethnic group, not an individual or the place itself. Or is this article proposing that white people were seen as an enemy? — Preceding
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I support this change attack should be changed to massacre Zyxrq ( talk) 01:32, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
This article makes no mention of the motives behind him, of which there is numerous evidence showing that he directly supported BLM and racial extremist views, which should absolutely be mentioned and I have no idea why they aren't. Crun31 ( talk) 20:00, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
By definition this is a massacre. I agree it should be changed to say massacre. Helpfulwikieditoryay ( talk) 06:11, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
What is the copyright status of mugshots? The file currently does not explain copyright status and it might end up being deleted. I think mugshots are public domain? Harizotoh9 ( talk) 00:43, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
California mugshots are public domain, as per Template:PD-CAGov (e.g. OJ Simpson’s mugshot). Ditto with Florida mugshots (e.g. Kent_Hovind#/media/File:Hovind_portrait.jpg). Other states may or may not claim copyright on mugshots. Samboy ( talk) 09:39, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
If a copyright free mugshot can be confirmed then it should be added. Harizotoh9 ( talk) 07:49, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
Add his mugshot as soon as we find a public domain one to use. Helpfulwikieditoryay ( talk) 06:19, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
I do think we should change attack to Massacre. The definition of Massacre would fit this article better. The definition being : Deliberately and violently killing a large group of people. Thats what pretty much happened here. A man intently drove into a crowd of people with the intent to kill. can someone cerate another poll or a Requested move, so we can see if most of us supports this change, and to see if we should change it. thank you. -- Zyxrq ( talk) 01:59, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
WWGB BilledMammal I disagree, I do think the term is neutral and its obvious the Massacre was attentional, He drove in a zig zag trying to hit people, that should prove that he meant to do it. also there doesn't need to be a motive for it to be considered a Massacre if we are using the definition I posted above. I still support the name change Zyxrq ( talk) 04:42, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
"He drove in a zig zag trying to hit people, that should prove that he meant to do it"is. That's just guesswork. It's been explained to you why your proposed changes don't conform to policy, and I advise you to read those policies. Notable amongst them is WP:NOR, WP:NPOV, WP:COMMONNAME, and WP:POVNAME. I mean no offense, but your editing shows that despite dozens of warnings on your user page, you've perhaps never read these policies, or at least seem confused as to how they apply. Feel free to ask questions, but also take on the advice of experienced editors. Wikipedia operates by a set of rules, and one needs to learn them in order to continue to edit here. Symmachus Auxiliarus ( talk) 04:58, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
I do agree I still have a lot to learn about Wikipedia. and I will read those policy's for a second time if I haft to. Me saying the zig zag thing was me giving an example from this article and what others have said in this talk page. I do understand how what I said came off as original research and I'm fully aware we don't do original research. Also the reason my talk page is like that is because most of my edits are for fun and because I like learning and writing about stuff. :) Zyxrq ( talk) 05:24, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
The only crime from before this attack that is specifically mentioned in this article is the one from earlier this month. But these reliable sources cite many, many others, going back decades. The article should cite specific examples of these, so readers can know that this current incident was completely predictable and completely preventable. This guy kept committing one violent crime after another, but he kept getting probation instead of prison. Even when he violated his probation, he still managed to stay out of prison. This incident was completely predictable and completely preventable.
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Washington Post: "Brooks has a criminal record that includes other charges and convictions spanning more than two decades — a list that includes allegations of battery, domestic abuse, recklessly endangering others and drug violations. He was also convicted of a sex crime in Nevada after impregnating a minor, officials say." New York Times: "Mr. Brooks has a long history of domestic abuse allegations " New York Times: "It is clear that Mr. Brooks — who had a criminal history of violence, domestic abuse, sexual crime, drug offenses and bail jumping dating to 1999 — should never have been eligible for such a low bail regardless of the state of the courts, lawyers who work in the system said." ABC News Chicago affiliate WLS: "Brooks has been charged with crimes more than a dozen times since 1999 and had two outstanding cases against him at the time of the parade disaster. That included resisting or obstructing an officer, reckless endangering, disorderly conduct, bail jumping and battery for the Nov. 2 incident." "He is also a convicted sex offender in Nevada, from a 2006 case in which a 15 year old became pregnant. Brooks was required to register as a convicted sex offender and keep his records current. Authorities said he didn't comply and that a warrant for his arrest was issued when he became "non-compliant."" "As a result of that conviction, Brooks was arrested a decade later when he failed to obey sex offender laws. He bailed out on this charge but never returned to court, according to police in Sparks, NV." "There was a warrant out for the arrest of Brooks in Nevada issued August 15, 2016 for that failure to appear." Source: https://abc7chicago.com/waukesha-darrell-brooks-wisconsin-christmas-parade-news/11264926/ Washington Post: "Brooks’s path to the parade on Sunday was littered with run-ins with police and the justice system dating back more than two decades." "His criminal history stretches back to at least 1999, when he was charged with battery and later convicted, court records and filings show. In the years that followed came battery allegations, drug charges, counts of resisting law enforcement officials, some traffic violations and other charges. Authorities in Nevada also said a man with Brooks’s name and birthday was convicted there more than a decade ago of “statutory sexual seduction.”" "Brooks is still facing charges in another pending case. In July 2020, he was charged with two counts of second-degree recklessly endangering someone else’s safety and another count of possessing a gun despite being convicted of a felony." "According to court documents, Milwaukee police officers went to a home on July 24, 2020, where a woman told them that Brooks had gotten into “a physical fight” with his nephew not long before a gunshot rang out, according to the woman, who was identified in a criminal complaint as Brooks’s grandmother. (A different court filing suggests the woman may have been his mother.)" CNN "Questions about why Brooks was released on $1,000 bond came as news emerged about his criminal record in Nevada." "Brooks pleaded guilty to statutory sexual seduction in November 2006, according to court and inmate records. " "The Nevada sex offender registry shows Brooks is a registered sex offender in that state. Brooks also has an outstanding arrest warrant in Nevada in an unrelated case for which he was arrested and jumped bail, authorities said." "The warrant was issued on August 15, 2016, for jumping bail, said Sarah Johns, Washoe County Sheriff's Office spokesperson." "In the 2020 incident, Brooks is accused of firing a handgun during an argument, according to a charging complaint." "While arresting Brooks, authorities say they found a stolen handgun and three "multicolored pills," which later tested "presumptively positive" for methamphetamines." "Brooks was charged with two counts of second-degree reckless endangering safety while using a dangerous weapon and one count of possession of a firearm by a felon." "Bail had initially been set at $10,000 in that case but because Brooks had asked for a speedy jury trial, which could not be met, bail was reduced to $500. Brooks was released on bail in that case on February 21, according to the district attorney's office." Source: https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/22/us/what-we-know-about-suspect-in-waukesha-parade-tragedy/index.html |
Baxter329 ( talk) 16:12, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
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So, there was a healthy discussion about the use of "attack" here on this TP, proposed and before it could be completed, someone jumped the gun, and gave us "2021 Waukesha car crash".
Yeah. A crash. In a mid size town somewhere in the mid-West. Yep. The one and only "2021 Waukesha car crash".
I recommend this be reverted and we go back to the original, unique, WP:NATURAL, highly descriptive "2021 Waukesha Christmas Parade Attack". XavierItzm ( talk) 14:18, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
Mr. Kotlarek said the driver appeared to intentionally steer toward people. That account had not been confirmed by the police.( source). This makes it clear that sources are not authoritatively reporting that this was an attack. A better title can still be discussed, but it's important to avoid BLP violations. Elli ( talk | contribs) 14:24, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
The title is imperfect, but as the discussion notes, there are other pages on similar incidents with similar titles. -- Delta1989 ( talk) ( contributions) 14:31, 22 November 2021 (UTC)Senior law enforcement officials say a person of interest who may have a significant criminal history was being questioned overnight. Investigators are probing the possibility whoever was behind the wheel had been involved in an earlier incident involving a knife and was fleeing when the vehicle reached the parade just after 4:30 p.m., they said.
WP:DENY recognition to race baiting, and we generally avoid polemic sources.
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What is needing to be discussed by this edit? Why is it not allowed? However, an investigation into Brooks' social media post that gives insight to his mindset and possible motivations for the attack revealed a variety of divisive and hateful posts. [1] In a now-deleted Facebook post, Brooks called for violence against White people. [2] [3] [4] He praised Adolf Hitler for killing Jews in the Holocaust. [2] [3] [4] He also called for violence against elderly White people before allegedly killing five elderly white people at the Waukesha parade attack, writing in a Facebook post on June 9, 2021 that "the old white ppl 2, KNOKK DEM TF OUT!!". [2] [3] [4] Police are investigating whether Brooks may have been fleeing from a nearby domestic disturbance when encountering the parade, or if there is another possible motive for the parade attack. [5]— Preceding unsigned comment added by Reaver55 ( talk • contribs) 02:41, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
References
The moderators here like CNN and NBC only. They will not let any update till these news organisations confirm that it was a racial attack. Abheygpt1 ( talk) 22:25, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
The sources cited are: Fox News, Townhall, NY Post. These are partisan tabloids with repeatedly questionable journalism, pushing an agenda and coming up with their own characterizations of his social media posts. WP:WEIGHT is given to high quality neutral reliable sources. Compare the reporting from those sources to the Associated Press, NPR, New York Times, for example which are much more cautious and by and large have not commented on his social media posts. It is also unclear if these are related to the event at all which is exactly why these sources have not commented on it. Furthermore, investigators have not said that the motive is yet, and the investigation is ongoing. They will eventually release the findings of their investigations. Once that is done they will be reported on, and they will be included into this article. Harizotoh9 ( talk) 10:47, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
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What she did was so disgusting it should be in here. Why was it removed? It’s worthy of being talked about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eg224 ( talk • contribs) 22:57, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
A staff member saying something in another state is too tangential. It's a local political scandal that would be better on another page. Harizotoh9 ( talk) 10:41, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
The suspect's Ford Escape appeared in one of his music videos (shown here: https://heavy.com/news/darrell-brooks-jr) with the full license plate exposed. Looking that plate up comes up as a 2010 Ford Escape XLT. If I added that, would it be original research? Cutlass Ciera 12:59, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
Darrell Brooks was trying to strike “as many people as possible” when raced his car through a Christmas parade in Waukesha, Wisconsin, on Sunday, authorities said in a criminal complaint
Source https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/wisconsin-waukesha-victim-darrell-brooks-live-b1963284.html 98.233.226.209 ( talk) 07:03, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
He has a lengthy criminal record, including conviction of a sex offence against a minor in Nevada, he registered in the Nevada sex offenders list, moreover, an outstanding warrant has been issued in Nevada to arrest him, he freed on bail twice this year despite active warrant in Nevada (despite that, he was released from jail). NOTHING about all this things is mentioned in the article. Here is the source - [1]. It is an important info. 24.6.179.65 ( talk) 03:12, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
»Waukesha is a western suburb of Milwaukee, and about 55 miles north of Kenosha, where Kyle Rittenhouse was acquitted Friday of charges stemming from the shooting of three men during unrest in that city in August 2020.«
»Woynilko mentioned that as he rushed his pal to security and left the world, he overhead law enforcement officials describing the suspect as a Black male both within the crimson SUV or on foot.« tickle me 06:06, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
Tickle was explaining how they thought the suspect being black is "plausible", which is all irrelevant speculation and personal opinion. Nothing has been released or confirmed by authorities about the person of interest (not suspect). Authorities have not commented on whether this incident has anything to do with the Rittenhouse decision. When they have, that information will be included. Harizotoh9 ( talk) 10:24, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
What the suspect did aas the same as the suspect in Nice, France in 2016. The article for that event is called "Nice Truck Attack." There is no difference. Jaygo113 ( talk) 20:43, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
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"Police Chief Daniel Thompson said it was not a terrorist event.[12]"
"Terrorist" is a noun, not an adjective. I think "...said it was not an act of terrorism." is better. "Terrorist event" sounds like a professional convention/trade show for terrorists in Vegas, or a really badly named Halloween cosplay event, also likely held in Vegas...let's let these imaginary things that happen in this imaginary Vegas stay in the imaginary Vegas, and make this needed change. 174.193.195.141 ( talk) 05:24, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
It should be pointed out that the anonymous is not wrong. XavierItzm ( talk) 15:28, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
I have semi-protected this page for 1 day due to the 19 disruptive edits by IP users in the past 14 hours. A few WP:REVDELs were needed too. These edits are most likely due to coverage by Fox News and the rehashes of that coverage at NotTheBee, Law Officer.com, Reddit, and more. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:15, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
Their self-righteous anger is misdirected since Wikipedia is merely following the characterization of the attack by the mainstream media. When intentionality was not immediately obvious, it made sense to use crash. After intentionality was shown, and homicide characters were laid "attack" or something similar makes sense. Harizotoh9 ( talk) 20:39, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
Reporters and media outlets across the country have been...referring to the [2021 bad thing] as a "parade crash" rather than an attack or massacre.That's not a right-wing opinion, just a truncated matter of fact. InedibleHulk ( talk) 00:18, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
Here are the two definitions:
at·tack -
1. take aggressive action against (a place or enemy forces) with weapons or armed force, typically in a battle or war. 2. an aggressive and violent action against a person or place.
mas·sa·cre -
n. an indiscriminate and brutal slaughter of people. v. deliberately and violently kill (a large number of people).
As far as I can tell, massacre would be a better descriptor since the deliberate intent was to kill multiple people and/or an ethnic group, not an individual or the place itself. Or is this article proposing that white people were seen as an enemy? — Preceding
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TryCancellingThis (
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23:37, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
I support this change attack should be changed to massacre Zyxrq ( talk) 01:32, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
This article makes no mention of the motives behind him, of which there is numerous evidence showing that he directly supported BLM and racial extremist views, which should absolutely be mentioned and I have no idea why they aren't. Crun31 ( talk) 20:00, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
By definition this is a massacre. I agree it should be changed to say massacre. Helpfulwikieditoryay ( talk) 06:11, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
What is the copyright status of mugshots? The file currently does not explain copyright status and it might end up being deleted. I think mugshots are public domain? Harizotoh9 ( talk) 00:43, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
California mugshots are public domain, as per Template:PD-CAGov (e.g. OJ Simpson’s mugshot). Ditto with Florida mugshots (e.g. Kent_Hovind#/media/File:Hovind_portrait.jpg). Other states may or may not claim copyright on mugshots. Samboy ( talk) 09:39, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
If a copyright free mugshot can be confirmed then it should be added. Harizotoh9 ( talk) 07:49, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
Add his mugshot as soon as we find a public domain one to use. Helpfulwikieditoryay ( talk) 06:19, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
I do think we should change attack to Massacre. The definition of Massacre would fit this article better. The definition being : Deliberately and violently killing a large group of people. Thats what pretty much happened here. A man intently drove into a crowd of people with the intent to kill. can someone cerate another poll or a Requested move, so we can see if most of us supports this change, and to see if we should change it. thank you. -- Zyxrq ( talk) 01:59, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
WWGB BilledMammal I disagree, I do think the term is neutral and its obvious the Massacre was attentional, He drove in a zig zag trying to hit people, that should prove that he meant to do it. also there doesn't need to be a motive for it to be considered a Massacre if we are using the definition I posted above. I still support the name change Zyxrq ( talk) 04:42, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
"He drove in a zig zag trying to hit people, that should prove that he meant to do it"is. That's just guesswork. It's been explained to you why your proposed changes don't conform to policy, and I advise you to read those policies. Notable amongst them is WP:NOR, WP:NPOV, WP:COMMONNAME, and WP:POVNAME. I mean no offense, but your editing shows that despite dozens of warnings on your user page, you've perhaps never read these policies, or at least seem confused as to how they apply. Feel free to ask questions, but also take on the advice of experienced editors. Wikipedia operates by a set of rules, and one needs to learn them in order to continue to edit here. Symmachus Auxiliarus ( talk) 04:58, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
I do agree I still have a lot to learn about Wikipedia. and I will read those policy's for a second time if I haft to. Me saying the zig zag thing was me giving an example from this article and what others have said in this talk page. I do understand how what I said came off as original research and I'm fully aware we don't do original research. Also the reason my talk page is like that is because most of my edits are for fun and because I like learning and writing about stuff. :) Zyxrq ( talk) 05:24, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
The only crime from before this attack that is specifically mentioned in this article is the one from earlier this month. But these reliable sources cite many, many others, going back decades. The article should cite specific examples of these, so readers can know that this current incident was completely predictable and completely preventable. This guy kept committing one violent crime after another, but he kept getting probation instead of prison. Even when he violated his probation, he still managed to stay out of prison. This incident was completely predictable and completely preventable.
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Washington Post: "Brooks has a criminal record that includes other charges and convictions spanning more than two decades — a list that includes allegations of battery, domestic abuse, recklessly endangering others and drug violations. He was also convicted of a sex crime in Nevada after impregnating a minor, officials say." New York Times: "Mr. Brooks has a long history of domestic abuse allegations " New York Times: "It is clear that Mr. Brooks — who had a criminal history of violence, domestic abuse, sexual crime, drug offenses and bail jumping dating to 1999 — should never have been eligible for such a low bail regardless of the state of the courts, lawyers who work in the system said." ABC News Chicago affiliate WLS: "Brooks has been charged with crimes more than a dozen times since 1999 and had two outstanding cases against him at the time of the parade disaster. That included resisting or obstructing an officer, reckless endangering, disorderly conduct, bail jumping and battery for the Nov. 2 incident." "He is also a convicted sex offender in Nevada, from a 2006 case in which a 15 year old became pregnant. Brooks was required to register as a convicted sex offender and keep his records current. Authorities said he didn't comply and that a warrant for his arrest was issued when he became "non-compliant."" "As a result of that conviction, Brooks was arrested a decade later when he failed to obey sex offender laws. He bailed out on this charge but never returned to court, according to police in Sparks, NV." "There was a warrant out for the arrest of Brooks in Nevada issued August 15, 2016 for that failure to appear." Source: https://abc7chicago.com/waukesha-darrell-brooks-wisconsin-christmas-parade-news/11264926/ Washington Post: "Brooks’s path to the parade on Sunday was littered with run-ins with police and the justice system dating back more than two decades." "His criminal history stretches back to at least 1999, when he was charged with battery and later convicted, court records and filings show. In the years that followed came battery allegations, drug charges, counts of resisting law enforcement officials, some traffic violations and other charges. Authorities in Nevada also said a man with Brooks’s name and birthday was convicted there more than a decade ago of “statutory sexual seduction.”" "Brooks is still facing charges in another pending case. In July 2020, he was charged with two counts of second-degree recklessly endangering someone else’s safety and another count of possessing a gun despite being convicted of a felony." "According to court documents, Milwaukee police officers went to a home on July 24, 2020, where a woman told them that Brooks had gotten into “a physical fight” with his nephew not long before a gunshot rang out, according to the woman, who was identified in a criminal complaint as Brooks’s grandmother. (A different court filing suggests the woman may have been his mother.)" CNN "Questions about why Brooks was released on $1,000 bond came as news emerged about his criminal record in Nevada." "Brooks pleaded guilty to statutory sexual seduction in November 2006, according to court and inmate records. " "The Nevada sex offender registry shows Brooks is a registered sex offender in that state. Brooks also has an outstanding arrest warrant in Nevada in an unrelated case for which he was arrested and jumped bail, authorities said." "The warrant was issued on August 15, 2016, for jumping bail, said Sarah Johns, Washoe County Sheriff's Office spokesperson." "In the 2020 incident, Brooks is accused of firing a handgun during an argument, according to a charging complaint." "While arresting Brooks, authorities say they found a stolen handgun and three "multicolored pills," which later tested "presumptively positive" for methamphetamines." "Brooks was charged with two counts of second-degree reckless endangering safety while using a dangerous weapon and one count of possession of a firearm by a felon." "Bail had initially been set at $10,000 in that case but because Brooks had asked for a speedy jury trial, which could not be met, bail was reduced to $500. Brooks was released on bail in that case on February 21, according to the district attorney's office." Source: https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/22/us/what-we-know-about-suspect-in-waukesha-parade-tragedy/index.html |
Baxter329 ( talk) 16:12, 26 November 2021 (UTC)