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My edit that was deleted was for the Duval County page, not the Jacksonville page (I have no idea where to get election results for the City of Jacksonville). I guess that the Atlas of U.S. Presidential Elections, http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/, is not considered a "relible source" (despite the fact that it bases everything on government sources and is used by thousands of political professionals who pay for its premium content), so I went to the Duval County Supervisor of Elections website and confirmed that the numbers I had gotten from the Atlas for 2004 and 2000 were indeed correct. Here are the numbers for 2004: http://www.duvalelections.com/ERSummary.aspx?eid=9 and here are the ones for 2000: http://www.duvalelections.com/Election.aspx?eid=2 BTW, the Duval elections site only goes back to 2000, so I *did not* change the incorrect results for prior elections (which, BTW, were input without a source by whomever it was that did so). I apologize for having previously fixed obviously incorrect (and unsourced) information without meeting with Wikipedia's "reliable sources" criteria, but I honestly did not think that the Atlas of U.S. Presidential Elections would not be deemed to be "reliable." AuH2ORepublican 16:32, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Butch Lee played on the Puerto Rican Olympic team. That makes his nationality Puerto Rican. Corvus cornix 22:44, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
"Nationality" refers to a person's nation. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationality. Puerto Rico is not a nation, but a U.S. territory, and Puerto Ricans have been nationals of the U.S. since the Foraker Act of 1900 and citizens of the U.S. since the Jones Act of 1917. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_rico#Puerto_Rico_under_United_States_rule.
In any event, Butch Lee happened to be born in Puerto Rico, his parents were from the U.S. mainland, he was raised in the U.S. mainland from the age of 1 or so, and the only reason he played for the Puerto Rico Olympic Team (he qualified to play for Puerto Rico solely due to his accidental birth on the island) was because his college coach wouldn't recommend him for the U.S. Olympic Team; it wouldn't be until many years later that Butch Lee would move to Puerto Rico, to coach in the Superior Basketball League. It seems to me that, if one wanted to make a sociopolitical statement regarding Puerto Rican "nationality," Butch Lee would make an especially poor test case. AuH2ORepublican 23:12, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to give you props for the name. Very cool. - Rrius ( talk) 16:26, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
According to the House & Senate clerks offices, all thirteen draw retirement, although that's unnecessarily esoteric (and private, though public office) and former does work better in case someone included in the future is not. I've started reformatting Congressional links (for those whose article names include accents) e.g. Raúl Labrador. If there is anything you need help or "how to" with, I've had great success at the help desk, requests to edit semi-protected pages, and page move requests. I'm using generic IP in the 75.200 (thereabouts) for another 2 weeks, and then registering. Welcome to Wikipedia and HNY2011! 75.202.126.167 ( talk) 03:14, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
True, but since the date formatting counts from greenwich time, it showed their service as longer and they look out of order; knowing that that is just the computer doing its programming, however, I'm willing to hold off until after reality is correct, but we don't truly know which days Sen. Inouye or Rep. Young, as the examples who come to mind, are in HI & AK, respectively, without a lot more checking. Is there a guideline for this other than the one about future events? 75.202.106.96 ( talk) 02:39, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
You might consider adding something (anything) to your User Page. It would get the red out of your edit summaries. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 20:38, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
I have a question. In the lede you added, "... and were not subsequently elected by the people" to the sentence, "Of the nine senators, five were popularly elected, two were elected by the Mississippi State Senate, and two were appointed by a state Governor."
Which individuals that were appointed by a Governor sought to be elected? Thanks.
Mitchumch ( talk) 06:26, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
Mitchumch, neither of the two African Americans that were appointed U.S. Senators and that were not subsequently elected to the office ran in a subsequent election (Roland Burris considered running if a special election was held (eventually, the Sixth Circuit forced Gov. Quinn to schedule the election for a date not later than the regular Election Day in November 2010) or in the regular election for a new six-year term, but eventually decided against it). However, I decided to refer to the appointees as not being "subsequently elected by the people" instead of "not having sought election" because it was immaterial whether or not they had sought the office (and had Tim Scott lost the 2014 special election, he would be one of the three appointed Senators that were not subsequently elected). The reason for my change was that, given Tim Scott's election and the commencement of his term as an elected Senator, it was incorrect to state that there only have been four African Americans popularly elected to the U.S. Senate, or to state that there only have been two African Americans appointed to the U.S. Senate without limiting the clause to those that were not subsequently elected (and I couldn't refer to five popularly elected Senators, two legislatively elected Senators and three appointed Senators without creating confusion given that there only have been nine African-American Senators).
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Hi,
I deeply considered your message go me. For the following reasons below, I am requesting that the number of sovereign states in all wikipedia related articles be 195- the 193 members of the UN, observer Vatican City, and observer state of Palestine (note; this was written in a fully objective and fact based basis and holds no prejudice or double standards in any of the sovereignty disputes regarding the partially recognized states);
- unlike the other states with limited recognition (abkhazia, Taiwan, North Cyprus, Kosovo, etc), all have 113 (~57%) or less recognitions by the UN, while Palestine has 136 recognitions, which amount to ~70.5% of the UN, which gives it limited recognition, but far beyond the partially recognised level. Additionally, states like China, Cyprus, Armenia, and Israel are also disputed by one or more UN members and still have sufficient enough recognition
- None of the states with partial or no recognition (including Kosovo) have neither member or observer status in the UN and do not participate in anyway while palestine is an observer (alongside Vatican City, another non member sovereign state)
- Contrary to popular belief, despite its limited recognition, no country (not even the ones that do not recognize Palestine) except Israel disputes palestinian sovereignty over the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem and actually support the creation of a Palestinian state in these territories, a goal also recognized and supported by the UN while the rest of the partially recognized states all are either (partly or fully) recognized as part of other countries and neither is their right to statehood.
- The UN did not fully reject Palestine, as it has granted it non member observer STATE status (along with some rights such as a permanent mission, it’s flag in its HQ, the right to join international conventions, etc), it is designated as ‘the state of palestine’ in official UN documents, and its observer status vote in 2012 ( among most votes on the issue ) witness an automatic majority. In addition, the security council did not reject the application for statehood in 2011, it just that UNSC members grew divided on the issue and was unable to muster a consensus. It is the palestinians that decided to put it on hold due to US pressure among other threats
I sincerely hope that the editing community will change Palestine’s categorization in all related Wikipedia articles, and this was all written in a neutral, objective, and fact based manner. Thank you
Talatastan ( talk) 23:16, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
Talatastan ( talk) 23:16, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
Hi there,
I see where your coming from when it comes to your views on the sovereign states number dispute, and I respect your opinion, but nevertheless the editing community is larger than just you alone and I intend, nevertheless, to keep fighting until all 193 + 2 UN countries are listed as sovereign states, REGARDLESS of whom. As i have stated nearly 4000 times to you in our earlier discussions but you still choose to disregard what I say, I hold NO bias towards any state under dispute by other UN members, even Palestine, and if Kosovo, Taiwan or even Antartica were observers in the UN and Palestine wasn't, then I would be fighting for Kosovos' or Taiwans or Antartica's inclusion instead. YES, Palestine is disputed by one UN member- Israel -, but so is Israel, as almost the entire Arab and Muslim world and a few others (Bhutan, North Korea, Cuba) dispute it sovereignty and are UN members and Israel is also recognized by a majority ( 161 UN members - 83% ) and the PR China is also majority recognized and a full UN member, but its also disputed by 19 UN members and vatican city and its recognition is also just below the 90s range. Besides, if you must include Kosovo and Taiwan as well, by all means go ahead and I have nothing against them personally. All in all, I too am tired of this numbers tit-for-tat and I hope that we can put our differences aside and hopefully reach a consensus
Talatastan ( talk) 23:25, 21 may 2018 (UTC)
Talatastan ( talk) 23:25, 21 may 2018 (UTC)
While your arguments are cogent, I have a sneaking suspicion that you’re wasting your breath on a bad actor, and Wiki’s nifty tool made it very easy for me to verify (Thanks, Wikipedia!):
“ CheckUser evidence confirms that the owner of this account has abusively used multiple accounts. (Account information: block log · CentralAuth · suspected sockpuppets · confirmed sockpuppets)” UsersLikeYou ( talk) 00:53, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
(....2 full years later) 😆. Your profile was good creeping, by the way! Keep on being you! UsersLikeYou ( talk) 00:56, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
Ok, I have agreed to come to a compromise with you and others who share your views- In all wikipedia articles, I will not object to you doing the 194 rule (193 UN members, Vatican), BUT... Palestine be in its OWN category by itself INDEPENDENT from the de facto gang, and Taiwan and Kosovo in their own separate category as 'special cases' (if you'd like) (but WITHOUT Palestine) until further notice. If you agree with this compromise, you are to inform the wider community of this agreed interim solution and get them to agree as well. How would you like that?
Talatastan ( talk) 23:26, 22 may 2018 (UTC)
Talatastan ( talk) 23:26, 22 may 2018 (UTC)
Yes will do. I will list 194 states, palestine by itself, taiwan and kosovo together, and the rest of the others together. Although I am working to change it, I will comply until consent is achieved. BTW, could you tell me where I can talk to the wider community to avoid further confusion, thanks.
Talatastan ( talk) 00:16, 22 may 2018 (UTC)
Talatastan ( talk) 00:16, 22 may 2018 (UTC)
Hi AuH2ORepublican,
I am so glad that the wiki community is having this much needed discussion, an also to hear your opinion. As to what I think of your views, however, You are correct when it comes to Taiwan, but as to Palestine, I'm gonna have to press the red buzzer. According to my research (including wikipedia), Yes, Palestine did not succeed in gaining full UN membership and yes, the majority of the 56 countries that do not recognize it as a state are significant players in the world economy but quantitatively speaking in the world, but we should not dismiss or negate the fact that 137/193= 71% members, as opposed to 56/193 members =29%, of the entire UN considers Palestine a state, which represents the myriad of the world, and in international law, the say of every already existing member of the family of sovereign nations, irregardless of their economic or political prowess, counts. Besides, there are several economic and world powers that you have not mentioned who acknowledge Palestinian nationhood, such as BRICS, GCC, Sweden, Turkey, Argentina and & Chile (both of which are far more better off economically than Mexico) Indonesia, and Malaysia. Furthermore, we must also not forget that, while its membership application failed, is was not rejected, as the matter was never even put to a vote by the Palestinian Authority and the official reason for this delay was the 'inability to reach a unanimous consensus', meaning that members were divided on the issue, as some opposed and some supported. We could, however, conclude that their application would be rejected if it was put to a vote and the vote did not succeed. Lets consider a hypothetical situation that Mahmoud Abbas is going to fly to New York in a week to discuss with Guterres his idea to table such a resolution to the security council over a beer (or, in this case, something non alcoholic) and Guterres does so; pertaining to current non permanent members, Bolivia, Ethiopia, the Cote Divoire, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Peru, and Sweden; pertaining to the P5, Russia and China will vote for as well. This equates to exactly 9 votes. Abstaining will likely be the Netherlands, Poland, (maybe) equatorial guinea, the UK, and (likely) France (two of five P5 members), amounting to 3 non permanent abstentions, and 2 P5 abstentions, meaning 5 in total. However, it would not pass as the US of A is (likely) to veto an application deemed to harsh to its oh so dear Israel. Say if it doesn't (which would be unlikely), the vote will go to the GA, which is Palestines home base. Therefore, the United States of America is arguably the only obstacle to full Palestinian membership, whereas for Taiwan, there are many more. All in all, I hold no prejudice towards your views, and I am nevertheless open to your proposal, and what I would propose is that either we do your proposal, or that, yet again, Taiwan be in an independent category, and the UN member and observer states are listed altogether. How does that sound?
Kawhilaugh42 ( talk) 00:55, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
After much consideration, I have come to the conclusion that I will have to agree to Palestine and Taiwan ROC can be put in the same category. Since I have agreed to this change, may I have permission to re-edit the Sovereign states of Asia page and all those subsequent to it as such? By the way, despite my consent, you do know that the UN has, from 2012, considered Palestinians a state right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kawhilaugh42 ( talk • contribs) 02:27, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Kawhilaugh42 ( talk) 02:09, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi AuH2ORepublican,
I am very relieved that a long running dispute on wikipedia is over. Given this, and given that we both have made some very difficult compromises, I would like the two of us to agree on something; the status quo will remain on all country related articles until further notice (I will get into that in a bit), but I am just proposing a few amendments. These are that
a) Palestine would not be depicted as minimally recognized of course without putting it in the same list as full UN members until further notice b) Kosovo be switched with Taiwan, as they have substantial control over their territory and the most recognized of the group c) Palestine OR Kosovo be added to the un members list when either Palestine is more recognized by important world players (such as much of the EU) and Kosovo if it gains member or observer status and is more widely recognized, and rearrangements of countries should not succumb to political biases or favouritisms
Furthermore, what I meant by until further notice, to ensure the status quo, and to avoid much confusion and further debate, I believe that we should set a criteria on when should a state, by wikipedia categorization, can be permitted to be listed with the 193 UN members, and the Holy See? What are you're thoughts?
Kawhilaugh42 ( talk) 21:19, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
AuH2ORepublican,
So it appears that you have a genuine desire to put an end to this controversy, given the discernible and considerable thought you have invested into the culmination of this criteria and your sporadical, objective, well-evidenced, and immense response, and I like that. As to what I think of it,
- Kosovo or Republic of Kosovo, is a definite contender, and the criterion you based Kosovo on- most de facto and de jure sovereignty of all states with limited recognition- is fully reminiscent to my interpretation, and Palestine, or State of Palestine, although it possesses more of the constitutional theory than the declarative theory and its the only one of these with some kind of UN seat, but then again has at least a slightly existent control over some affairs. Besides, the US, UN, UNESCO, France, UK, and China (those who know what they are talking about) all recognize 195 states (each of them recognizing either palestine or Kosovo)
- As to Taiwan (ROC) or Western Sahara, I would say that, considering that Western Sahara has only full membership in one important organization- the AU - but Taiwan has more (APEC, WTO, FIFA, IOC), and Taiwan excersizes 100% control over its territory (except the mainland) whereas the Polisario only controls 25% of theirs, but IF you count de jure recognition, western sahara has slightly more than Taiwan, although both have a roughly close number of embassies (in the official capacity; Taiwan 16, SADR 18). However, Taiwan is more "de facto" recognized. Therefore, I believe that western sahara should be reconsidered a dependent territory, not a partially or mostly recognised state) since we are going by UN guides here, add Taiwan should remain as on the list since, like Transnistria, it is sovereign fully de facto, but barely in the de jure sense, and Kosovo and Palestine move to round two
- As for the rest, I completely agree with you that they should remain as they are
- To be fair, we technically speaking should categorize Vatican here since, like Palestine, is not a member, but observer of the UN, while we should maintain that it has the highest and distinct status among them all
- Lastly, as for your criteria, YES, we should base recognition on influential world powers and middle powers, and we should consider de facto existence as well, but I also believe that, as to recognition, the minimum level of recognition where we should draw the line is ANYTHING above 110 (56% or higher) the number of large influential players should be at least 2 world powers and at least 5 middle or regional powers, it should be at least a member or observer of 5 or more important regional and international organizations, have a resident government, not in exile, controlling at least some important affairs and and acceptable portions of its territory
If you agree with most or all of these suggestions, I suggest that we JOINTLY propose them to other influential decision makers on wikipedia and see what THEY think
Kawhilaugh42 ( talk) 22:07, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
AuH2ORepublican,
That is a good definition, but just a FEW things;
You and I both understand by now that yes, Palestine may not qualify at the moment to join the primary list, yes, it only partially, if at all, succeeded in getting a UN seat (in the form of a non member observer state), and that 14 of those 25 nations don't recognize it as a state but we can both agree that 71%, although not from important players, of the UN 193 states deems Palestine to be a mostly, but not generally recognized state and we cannot ignore the fact that, despite not being a member, in the eyes of the UN (save for the states that don't recognize palestine in the assembly), Palestine is, viewed as a state (hence the usage of state of Palestine in official documents and non member observer STATE status as opposed to entity status (something that the wiki community acknowledges) but nevertheless, it can remain on this list until further notice. Second of all, I certainly agree that membership in regional bodies and sport competition ones like FIFA do not make one a state, nor was I insinuating that. Nor was I "countering" your criteria, but was simply adding a few changes. Third, we must remember that, while economic influence makes a state influential, it does not repudiate the fact ALL sovereign states, from Nauru to the US, are, in fact, equal, so I would say that everything you proposed except the part about top 25 GDP states should be kept. Additionally, I would say that, to be fair, I think that the Sahrawi republic will join kosovo and Palestine, but Taiwan should not, and to to be honest, it is not technically correct to call Palestine a "de facto" state since it actually is the far opposite. Also, Im not trying to interiorize others to Palestine, nor am I favouring it over others, but in terms of state recognition, the facts objectively speak for themselves. Therefore, I will accept your new definition, but just to replace the to 25 GDPs thing with the state that has the least legal dispute, meaning the least unrecognized. Also, may you accept that, with the adoption of our definition, we both agree that the above mentioned "de facto" states be removed from all limited recognition states and be put in their own category?
cheers!
Kawhilaugh42 ( talk) 00:18, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
AuH2ORepublican,
Despite our differences, you have been very fair and objective throughout entire debate, and you have a good reason for suggesting why this priori is the most suitable option, but what I meant is compromises on the part of personal biases. Also, I acknowledge that, despite both our biases, you are trying as best as you can to do things in a purely objective manner, and I don't dispute that whatsoever. However, I too will try not to succumb to personal biases when it comes to the following countries. Once and for all, I will fully accept your latest reformed version of the criteria, and keeping in line with being recognized but the top 25 GDP states, my final suggestion is that either Palestine or Kosovo be moved to the unambiguously 193+1 list of countries when Palestine is recognized by more EU countries or Kosovo is more recognized by more middle powers, such as BRINCS and Iran. That way, when most on both sides of the world order recognize Palestine, Kosovo, or both, then they can unambiguously be considered generally recognized and That the Sahrawi Republic be so moved when they fulfill this criteria and gain status in the UN or that Taiwan will be replacing the PRC when it does so. Nevertheless, I hold no prejudices towards either's cause, and as a mater of fact, I am somewhat sympathetic with them given their unfortunate political situations. Nevertheless, I regret that you percieved my last post to have a somewhat assertive and aggressive undertone, and that no such intention was there. Also on an important note, since we have finalized discussions on the matter, I am looking to bring our case to other prominent decision makers on wikipedia, so would you mind providing me with a list of some of their talk pages? It was a pleasure working with you!
Kawhilaugh42 ( talk) 20:13, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
AuH2ORepublican,
It surely has been an arduous and contentious process to reach to a (almost) middle ground between our understandings, and we both have made significant concessions to which we were not able to make prior to this point. While we may not agree on everything, one thing that we both have established is that the current organization of states needs to be slightly rendered in order to accustom political sensitivities, and I hold no prejudice towards the generous concessions that you have made. As to the ages old question of Palestine, I recognize and agree that it is generally understood that while Palestine may be majority recognized numerically speaking, it lacks sufficient political weight in the absence of recognitions from major world and western powers, all key players in IR, and that the US, at the present geopolitical circumstances, will not permit Palestine to upgrade to full membership and will force it to keep its albeit limited and peripheral form of membership in the UN alongside the Vatican (who prefers its status for the foreseeable future). Furthermore, we can also all agree that Palestine is not in a flimsy self governing position and that Israel and 55 other UN members in the world currently object to Palestines claims but not rights to be a sovereign nation. This is why I will accept, for now, them not being on the fully sovereign states list. Furthermore, your criteria seems well formulated. However, in the combined interest of you and me, I will make this LAST AND FINAL offer, in which i have tried so hard to take in your and my considerations. This is as follows, no more no less and will remain so - To be part of the 194 and indisputably sovereign, a country needs to be recognised widely both in the de jure and de facto senses. To be considered generally recognised de jure, the following criteria must be met in full; a) it must be recognised by 75-80%+ of the 194 aforementioned states, of which a considerable portion is made up by key players (the 20/24 largest GDPs) b) the extent to which the states sovereignty is disputed must be maximum 25% and minimum 20% (Israel and the reset of the SWLR are currently at 16.5%+) c) It MUST be recognised by (most or all) the following; the P5, the EU, the UN (independent of the opinions of the 194 states but its organizational views, such as any status that confers 'state'), BRINCS, the G7, G25, and G77 d) it MUST have full membership or observer membership in (most or all of the following)
i. UN ii. all MANDATORY regional organizations iii. at least 7 UN specialized agencies
e) the state must conduct foreign diplomatic relations at a substantial and normal rate (unlike that of north cyprus or abkhazia leaching onto Turkey or Russia for survival or like Kosovo SADR Taiwan having very minimal diplomatic outreaches or like Palestine having very few full diplomatic missions within its territory, which has more to do with practical impediments rather than lack of recognition, whereas Kosovo and Taiwan have some full diplomatic missions, the rest do not)
furthermore, my FINAL EVER proposal will be that Kosovo, Taiwan, and SADR remain in their current taxonomy and Palestine, apart from the 194 list but equivocal to that of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta and is to be considered not a state, but a 'legal entity under international law' analogous to that of SMO. I believe this because Palestine does not fully satisfies this criteria, but it does to the extent that its kind of 'in between' the two categories and that the SMO and Palestine are in practice and law, more or less the same because they are 'states' that conduct foreign relations equivalent to that of 194 countries, are considered 'sovereign' by major world bodies like the UN (but not some of its members) and can accede to int'l treaties because they have some legal privileges that the 3 de facto states do (although Palestine is still de facto). Honestly, I truly emphasize with the people of all disputed countries and regardless of ones stance on their disputes, it is very unfortunate that they are affected by the hardships and ambiguities caused upon them as a result of these disputes as we speak not just on a political level, but on all levels and social worldwide understandings, and honestly, each and every single one of them deserves to live like any other person from any non disputed country on earth, and to a considerable extent, its the conflicting interests and greed of the major powers and on a sociological level, the inability for mankind to agree on everything as proved throughout human history. This is the last and only other offer I will be making. If you do still disagree, however, this will still remain my offer but you are more than welcome to keep the status quo of our agreements reached throughout these extensive discussions and to raise the issue with other editors of the wiki community. I am officially, for now, will be taking a moratorium on these efforts. Thank you.
Kawhilaugh42 ( talk) 22:14, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
AuH2ORepublican,
there are currently numerous editors arbitrarily and disruptively editing on wikipedia, particularly in regards to the Arab Israeli conflict. While am strongly adherent and oppose arbitraily and disruptively editing, how may you suggest I deter such behaviour on wikipedia?
Kawhilaugh42 ( talk) 01:12, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
AuH2ORepublican,
Bearing in mind that we have long established a consensus on how to classify countries on wikipedia for the publics general understanding, could I just request that, despite being undeniably more sovereign than Palestine, Taiwan, SADR, and Kosovo and having no dispute over its statehood and that is chooses not to be one but will be unanimously accepted once it does, I am just requesting that it be put either separate from the main category of European states and separate from the former group, or it be put in the same category as kosovo as it is not a full UN member so as to be consistent with our policy of classifying only UN full members in the main category? Thoughts?
Kawhilaugh42 ( talk) 02:03, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
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AuH2ORepublican,
I thought that Taiwan was not substantially recognized no? sorry for the confusion.
Kawhilaugh42 ( talk) 02:34, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
Why do users label ihan Omar as African American, she's Somali American not African American, African Americans are an ethnic group of black Americans, not all Caucasians are Italian Hornets23 ( talk) 17:05, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
Just because references list her as African American doesn't mean shes really African American, I just wanted to say that because that's an insult to black Americans who's ancestors endured slavery in the United States, I recommend you do your research regarding African Americans on the wiki page regarding African Americans Hornets23 ( talk) 17:34, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
I understand, but as an black American from the United States I can't go their countries and claim I'm their ethnicity because I'm not. Same case for Mia love her parents immigrated from hati and Kamala Harris dad is from Jamaica. That's just wrong of some media outlets of labelling people a certain ethnic group, I think some canidates should represent their own ethnic group Hornets23 ( talk) 17:56, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
With all due respect forget about sub-sarharan African thing, the term African American refers to an ethnic group most often to people whose ancestors experienced slavery in the United States, go to the African American wiki page and click on reference 6 Hornets23 ( talk) 19:37, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
But African immigrants are distinct from African Americans because the ancestors of African Americans were brought from West Africa via the Atlantic slave trade, I Highly recommend you visit the African immigration to the United States wiki page and feel free to talk on my page? Hornets23 ( talk) 00:55, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
Mia love's parents immigrated to the United States from hati, so that makes her Hatian American, not AfricanAmerican if both of her parents endured slavery like most American born blacks ancestors did she would be African-American, you have to realize their are different types of black people Hornets23 ( talk) 14:23, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
Hello AuH2ORepublican,
I believe there is a slight objective error on your countries page. Although I am Bhutanese myself and have nothing to do with Palestinian issues, you are listing Taiwan in the same category as palestine, the substantially recognised states category. Assuming you forgot 'substantial' means, Taiwan, or republic of china, is only recognised by barely 20 countries while, according to the international recognition of the State of Palestine page, far more (137 states) recognise Palestinian state status, so why not put taiwan in the de facto category and leave palestine as its own section? just a suggestion ;) have a nice day!
- Do Laima
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Re this revert, please read the guideline MOS:JOBTITLES, which I linked for your convenience in my edit summary. "30th president of the United States" in the short description is equivalent to the example in the guideline, "Nixon was the 37th president of the United States." Would you like to self-revert or shall I do it? ― Mandruss ☎ 03:55, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
Jimmy Carter https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/426227-jimmy-carter-tells-booker-i-hope-you-run-for-president I have used the RfC function, let's see how it goes! Tony85poon ( talk) 03:54, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
RE your summary: [1]
I know what extant means, I was referring to the fact that the last male died that other day, making them soon to be extinct. Try to keep up. Joshjoshajosh ( talk) 17:10, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
It's better to accurately document the demise of wildlife than to scare people onto action. Wikipedia has more of a responsibility than looking backwards, at the very least you could have left the edit up longer. But no, you chose to feed your ego by insulting me. Good job, I hope your family money runs out soon so intelligent people are forced to act rather than sit around all day feeling smug. Joshjoshajosh ( talk) 22:41, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
Hey, Joshjoshajosh, just for reference, (as intelligent, learned individuals ((such as your/oursleves care to note))), it’s spelled summary. Call me a pedant, if you will, but a gramatically observant pedant I shall be. UsersLikeYou ( talk) 01:26, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
You have appeared to have reverted my edit to The Javan elephant It’s quite true that the Borneo ones are the same so be careful as I will think this is vandalism If this a mistake visit my talk page - I do not know what my name this
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If you want to change the name of the article to "List of Arab Americans in the United States Congress," I'd support you, and indeed would drop the AfD. After we move the article, we will debate whether we should use OR to call all former Congresspersons of Lebanese Christian ancestry (partial or full) Arabs. But I would support a name change over the AfD. I'm just not sure how to initiate the process. GergisBaki ( talk) 13:42, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
I believe your July 30th edit to the article for the Indian rhinoceros was a mistake. You edited that article to distinguish between different types of one-horned rhinoceros. Which is unnecessary, since that article is not for the one-horned rhinoceros. There is a separate article for the one-horned rhinoceros, and that separate article already includes the distinction you drew.
On the other hand, the article for the (great) Indian rhinoceros requires a note to distinguish it from the lesser Indian rhinoceros, which is described on the page for the Javan rhinoceros.
It's true that lesser Indian rhinoceros is not the alternate name for all Javan rhinoceros, as you noted in your edit description. But it is the alternate name for one particular extinct subspecies of Javan rhinoceros. And that's why they needed the original note that you altered. - 72.186.111.112 ( talk) 23:42, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
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Re [2] [3]. First off, I'm not sure what you mean by "unsourced deletions": what is unsourced is the content I had removed, and you've restored. In my edit summary, I didn't refer to the Panama Canal, but to the Panama Isthmus, which as far as I'm aware is traditionally taken to be the boundary (see for example [4]. To a large extent, the Darien Gap overlaps with the isthmus, so I wouldn't mind it if new text is added that mentions both. But we ought to have sources for that. If you would like to write that text, go ahead, I'm not interested myself: I ended up making these edits only as part of a clean up after the recent additions of a Colombian POV pusher.
Also, a lot of the text you've restored is not relevant to the topic. Boundaries between the continents of Earth is about the boundaries and how their understanding and definition has changed historically. Long paragraphs of text about the archaeology or colonial history of the areas where the boundaries happen to lie is out of scope. – Uanfala (talk) 11:47, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Also note that the article Darién Gap was recently recently rewritten by the same user whose content you're restoring. – Uanfala (talk) 11:56, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Webster's New Geographical Dictionary (list and map). Merriam-Webster Inc. 1984. pp. 856, 859.
@ Uanfala (talk), I reverted every edit made after July 1, 2019 to the continental-boundaries article , but (i) removed the purported map of transcontinental countries that had caused controversy and went beyond the scope of the article and (ii) fixed the grammar and provided a Wikilink to the "Darién Gap" article that describes the Darién Mountains watershed, and added the more specific language to the introductory section of the article confusingly had said that the boundary between North and South America was "the isthmus of Panama" (which could be misconstrued to mean the narrowest part of the isthmus). What do you think? AuH2ORepublican ( talk) 15:38, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
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I think you should really report the behaviour in Talk:List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Asia at WP:AN/I; this is outright harassing for the sake of it, and looking at those accounts' behaviour through time this raises hounding concerns. I tried to open a SPI on it once I spotted all of this in that talk page, because this looks like obvious duck sockpuppetry, but was ignored by the same admin that closed the previous one on 23 July without even looking at the presented evidence. Your talk page is literally full of random notices from this person! Impru20 talk 17:54, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
Guys, settle down there is no need to file a duck sockpuppetry case against me as I have already apologized for my actions and taken back what I said earlier. Also, i remain committed to reaching a consensus, and I don’t believe it is consistent with wiki guidelines to call another editor a “punk”.
Lo meiin ( talk) 01:58, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
As a young editor, I learned from my mistakes and taking these experiences to grow from them. Yes, I have used libel towards you in the past, but I am repentful for my actions and will absolutely refuse to go down the same path as talatastan and his sockpuppets. All in all, I pledge not to make any more edits on the issue until we reach a consensus and will not level any false and twisted accusations against you again. Putting myself in your shoes, I am completely sympathetic with you when seeing how much you had to put up with in dealing with blacklisted editors talatastan and his Sockpuppets and I don’t blame you for feeling the way you are. However, there is no need to believe I am one of his sockpuppets, as, from what I’ve learned from other editors and reading their Sockpuppet investigations, they have levelled profane and personal insults at you (when I never insulted you as a person but your views, for which i repented) and have refused to stop their persistent POV propaganda and constantly ignored warnings, but I am not doing that; instead, I am heading to the calls by you and other editors to excessive restraint and I have on several occasions denounced these sockpuppets behaviour ( such as that insensitive comment on pacific island nations and Arabistan labelling you a “smarta**”, and I refuse to be associated with any of talatastans sockpuppets. Moreover, this is not out of negotiation, but in the hopes of reaching a consensus, I am suggesting on my part either of the 4 suggestions I put forth. I look forward to working with you and other editors productively in the future.
Lo meiin ( talk) 15:01, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
I request that you Please keep our dispute restricted to the Asia page. As you say I shouldn’t make edits until a consensus is reached, you shall not either. Thank you
Lo meiin ( talk) 00:11, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
I would also like to get your take on either suggestions A B C or D in order to determine the consensus. Thank you Lo meiin ( talk) 15:03, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
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This isn't the first time, right? I still remember Socotra and
Ian Smith article issue between you and me.
I never saw you editing
this article before?. I see a disturbing wikihounding against 'Lo meiin' you are clearly following their edits. And BTW yes the UAE announced that they are withdrawing their troops from Yemen.
[7] Although I dont think this is what you cared about, you were only following their edits to revert them. I know you are a nice person but you seem short-tempered.--
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I would like to raise your attention to some POV activities of user warkosign in which he is attempting to enforce pro Israeli bias just as others are enforcing pro Arab bias. Please keep an eye on him just as you would with pro arab editors. Thank you
Lo meiin ( talk) 14:38, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
AuH20republican,
I know it’s been a tumultuous few months and I’m just as worn out as you are at this dispute and There are times where I should have used greater inhibition and restraint. We all desire it’s conclusion more than anything; this is why that I am strongly urging you to keep the generally and substantially recognized states combined in one section, but without prejudice to the status descriptions currently assigned to Taiwan and Palestine in wiki pages that currently distinct them. I am appealing to you to please keep it that way as this, in my opinion, is the most NPOV and fair consensus which will satisfy all editors. The feasibility of this consensus is evidenced by how both of us did not significantly alter the chart after the post. I am simply asking you to allow this edit to remain just as you did before, nothing more, nothing less. This is within the genuine interest of all editors, not just mine and neither any side of these conflicts. And I, if this consensus is achieved, once again vow to cease any and ALL edits concerning anything to do with the A-I conflict until I am a confirmed user or deemed by the wiki community as fit to edit such articles. Please, for everyone’s sake, reconsider and know that this is in the interest of all
Lo meiin ( talk) 20:00, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I want to clarify my offer. I am not suggesting that Palestine Kosovo Taiwan or the sahrawi republic be categorized as generally recognized, I am saying that we do a chart that includes the current Asian states listed, Plus Palestine and Taiwan, but that a distinction be made between these two countries and the 49 states with general acknowledgement. The title will subsequently become “ generally and substantially recognized sovereign states”. My insistence on this plan is not out of my subjective apathy towards Israel or the Arab states, I am simply imporing you to take this decision because I know very well that there will be Arab and/or Palestinian users out there that will continue to edit Wikipedia for political aims and this Will only further exacterbate the situation. Ince again, I repeat, the 49 GRSS and the 2 SRS be combined in one category but distinct from each other; for example, South Korea and Saudi Arabia will be designated generally recognized, while Palestine and Taiwan will have descriptions like “substantially recognized.... recognized by [] countries”. Evidence of this was that it was up for a week until WarKosign pressured you to take it down, I am urging you not to heed to any Arab or israel advocates calls and go ahead with this edit, for the better of all. And once more, I reiterate that all and any editing on my part on this issue will cease for the foreseeable future if this request is carried out. You have your opinion and I respect it, but I personally fear that your disinclination to do so will lead to more POV. Keyboard warriors on Wikipedia’s tail. If you accept my request, I promise I will personally defend you and it against all POV user myself, whatever the cost. Either Do what’s best for all, or risk igniting this tinderbox. The choice is yours
Lo meiin ( talk) 21:47, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
“Since you seem to be incapable of acting civilly or following the rules” I’ve been trying to achieve consensus by all means, including discussion on the talk page, so no, I am following the rules and I’m sorry if you fail to see that due to your subjective disliking of me. Moving on, I see your point that combining the two would cause some confusion, so in spite of this I suggest we omit any mention of the lack of recognition by some generally recognized states ( for example, my country by 15 un members and the Vatican and North Korea by 3 states ) and instead keep their descriptions and those of all other GRS, while we can place Taiwan and Palestine, regardless of alphabetical order, at the bottom with their current descriptions intact. Furthermore, the heading will go something like this “ there are 51 states in this list, 49 of which are GR, 2 of which are SR. I believe this will clear any ambiguity
Lo meiin ( talk) 15:47, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
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I believe you are towing the line by tracking my every move on wikipedia. I feel threatened by you as I am starting to feel that this behaviour is not necessarily so, but may be bordering, violation of Wikipedia's Harassment policy.
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I do not want to cause trouble. Please engage with me either here or on the talk page. My reason for the green scheme map is simple: the United Nations is an official organization that has specific member-states per this source. [8] I have nothing against de facto states, but the United Nations wikipedia page is not the place for a de facto world map as it deals with inter-state diplomacy and is an extremely formal organization. This green scheme map has been used for several years and is used in over twenty different languages across wikipedia. The blue scheme map is new and only used on one page and has been contested ever since it was uploaded. Numerous discussions have taken place both on the talk page and on the Neutral point of view noticeboard discussion. None of them have led to a clear consensus favoring the blue scheme map. Kindly bring in your feedback here or on the talk page. Again, I do not want to cause trouble and I hope we can have a civilized discussion. Wadaad ( talk) 11:47, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
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Please self-revert.-- SharabSalam ( talk) 15:18, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
RfC - request for comment RfD - redirects for discussion
You probably mean RfC, but keep using the term RfD. “ WarKosign ” 12:00, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
@ AuH2ORepublican: I have noticed that in February, March and September of this year, you have made edits to List articles that involve numbering of states, that your edits are targetted at Palestine and give effect to a denumbering within the list of that entity even though the numbering had been in place for many years. The reasons being given in edit summaries for these changes are not only OR but are incorrect and I have been undoing your edits at the relevant pages. I would ask you to cease and desist from any more of this. Thank you. Selfstudier ( talk) 04:28, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
@ AuH2ORepublican: At 2 of the three articles directly in question (leaving aside related issues in regards to a fourth and possibly other articles) I have self reverted two of my edits that restored the long time Palestine numbering. I invite you to re-implement those two edits yourself. In the meantime, based on what I am seeing so far, I am assuming that I will be left with no alternative except to take the issues to dispute resolution. Thank you. Selfstudier ( talk) 06:59, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
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The title is "Long term increasing POV and OR editing of List articles re Palestine." Selfstudier ( talk) 15:10, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
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You are clearly taking the Orthodox or Conservative opinion on who is Jewish. However, 35% or 5,250,000 Jews are Reform Jews. That is the plurality of Jewish Americans. You are clearly also wrong on Reform Judaism. You falsely claimed "Even in Reform Judaism, having a Jewish father does not by itself make you Jewish." Yet, since 1983 the Reform Movement has claimed "a child born of one Jewish parent, whether it is the mother or the father, is under the presumption of being Jewish." In the future, you should look into the Reform Judaism's platform before claiming to know what it states. Further, 900,000 Jews identify as Reconstructionist which has allowed patrilineal descent.
This is a list of Jewish AMERICAN politicians. So why should the Jewish identity and beliefs of a plurality American Jews not be considered? Further, you went on to claim that someone does not qualify for the list because they have "never has practiced Judaism," but that's not a good source of argument. Bernie Sanders could be removed from the list given that he has not attended Jewish services for more than 60 years. I'm sure that the same thing for many others on the list. Further, Judaism is not a religion and is defined as such on its wikipedia page and describes as an "ethnic religion." That is an ethnicity with specific religious components similar to Native Americans. Practicing the religious portion of Judaism is a part of being a Jew.
Where have you gotten your Rabbinic or Judaic education since you seem so inclined to define Judaism without taking American Judaism into account. Are you even Jewish? Pennsylvania2 ( talk) 04:17, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
All due respect, but the reason there's a dispute is because people have an erroneous conception of what qualifies as a "Note". Nevermore27 ( talk) 22:49, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi AuH2ORepublican, I wanted to ask you a question about an edit you made on List of African-American United States Representatives. The edit in question is here. I didn't understand why the edit was made or what you were asking. Thanks. Mitchumch ( talk) 03:24, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Hey I just wanted to let you know there is a new new talk section I added to List of minority governors. I would like your input if you could. HospitalDinoko3344 ( talk) 18:00, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
I replied back HospitalDinoko3344 ( talk) 19:04, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Hello HarmonicSympathy ( talk) 10:26, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
The national origin and/or ethnicity of United States Representatives of African-American/Black racial category should be mentioned when possible. This is because other lists of people of color in the United States Congress does the same exact thing and this format should be implemented across the several pages of similar topics. For example the Wikipedia article for the List of Arab and Middle Eastern Americans in the United States Congress does the same thing for Arab, Middle Eastern, North African, and West Asian decent in which their national heritage origin and/or ethnicity. I know that not all African-Americans know their constituent ethnicity or national origin but the ones that do and have it mentioned in their respective Wikipedia articles should have theirs's stated - that's why some are mentioned while I had not finished finding the others yet, I was letting other editors finish the rest if or when they find it - @ AuH2ORepublican: -. . ItsLife1 ( talk) 19:15, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
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Hello, hope all is going well with everyone! Can someone please help me out with this?
Thank you so much!
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Here's the answer. "Who's Who in Music and Drama" c.1914 edited by Dixie Hines, Harry Prescott Hansford http://books.google.com/books?id=tpafAAAAMAAJ&q=pedro+de+cordoba#v=snippet&q=pedro%20de%20cordoba&f=false
It may also be in John Parker's "Who Was Who in the Theatre" series, various editions up to de Cordoba's death in 1950, but I haven't checked. In the Parker books the performers' entry is discontinued after he or she dies, so you have to check older editions published when that person was alive. Cheers Koplimek ( talk) 15:43, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Although I understand why you reverted my on the Person of color article, I just want to say, that in my edit, I meant that people who are considered Arab/Middle Eastern American are, in some contexts, considered "People of color" in the United States, like outside of the U.S census. Now, I'm aware that my claims would count as original research, so I'll try to find specific sources to back this up and edit the page when I can. I just wanted to clear up the intentions of my edit and I'm sorry for bugging you.
As far as media/entertainment examples go, Princess Jasmine of Disney is "white" by the U.S census standards, because she is from a fictional West Asian country (reportedly inspired by the West Asian country of Iraq, just with a jumbled up name), and the U.S government/census does not consider West Asians as being "Asian/Asian American" or a "person of color". Despite this, multiple articles and books have been written calling her the first "Disney Princess of color" [10] [11] Quote: "Can I get some cheers for the first Disney princess of color?" Quote: "Only four princesses in Disney's history of storytelling have been of color. This first was Jasmine, who appeared in Aladdin in 1992." There has also been people throwing accusations of "whitewashing" for characters of Persian [12] or Egyptian [13] origin, despite both people being considered "white" by the U.S census and not Asian/Asian American (in the case of Persians/Iranians). Clear Looking Glass ( talk) 03:52, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the revert. I was completely wrong. My edit reflected my ignorant assumptions. BobFromBrockley ( talk) 07:08, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
I think you are overly confident there is such. The United States census does not define the term, it defines the specific terms for the specific categories. The problem is that the way it defines white is far broader than most people use it. Most people would consider Rashida Tlaib to not be white, but per US census definitions, she is without question White. This is a major issue in defining Arabs, as well as Iranians. It may also apply to Turkish people, and to Turkic people from Central Asia. I am not even sure if the Census staff themselves know if those from Afghanistan are white. However the census draws the line it makes no sense, since Baloch people from Iran are white but those from Pakistan are Asian.
The Hispanic/Spanish descent/Latino group is even more confusing. This term did not exist in the census before 1970. Studies show that how the wording on Hispanicness/Spanish Ancestry/Latinoness was asked in 1970 would produce more positive responses if it was still the way the question was asked today. The questions was not asked before 1970, so if we are going to go by US census definitions, we can only count as "Minority" Hispanic/Spanish-descened/Latino governors from 1970 on, and have to exclude them from before 1970. In the 1950 and 1960 census those people with ancestral origins in India/South Asia were counted as white. Also bear in mind that pre-1980 it was census takers who had the job of applying race, not those answering. This is one reason why there are some people who on different census are marked as black, white and mulatto. Pre-2000 one could only mark one race on the census. The most fun think is that in the late 19th-century the census explicitly stated that mixed Euro-American/Native American children (they used other terms, but that is what they meant) should be classes as "Indian" if living in a tribal setting and "white" if living in a non-tribal setting, so based on this rule we may have to reevaluate the inclusion of some Native American on this list, since they may have lived in a time and place where the level of tribal inclusion was very relevant, we may have to scrutinize such sources to see if they are per census definition in fact white. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 13:50, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
Hello. At the ADR page, you accused me of removing that Azerbaijan was emancipatory, "Please note, however, that the "first successful secular democratic republic in the Turkic and Muslim worlds" language was adopted as a compromise following ample discussion over several years." I never said otherwise. But the German Wikipedia page says it was the second. I don't need consensus for this. Otherwise, all editors would need consensus. -- 217.149.166.11 ( talk) 09:21, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi there, I dis-agree with the fact that you claim for Arab-Americans to be considered "white" because the Census states so when the Census has even decided to implant a new category for Middle-Eastern North African citizens within the US. A white person is someone from Europe and is a Caucasian and if you research actual facts, Arabs originated from the Middle-East which is not European nor any genetic-relating to European people (White people) Both Arab Christians and Muslims continue to express fears of responding to the 2020 Census because of anti-immigrant policies targeting the Arab community. Testings for a MENA catergory had been conducted by the Bureau in assistance to the US Census and they had successful results in which they formally recommended the MENA category be added to the Census. Please if you look at other censuses such as the UK, Canada and Australia, there has been a formal recognition for Arabs as people of color. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MoeMoe01 ( talk • contribs) 01:10, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Hello I started a new talk page on the RFC, since you are a regular there I was wondering if you could contribute your opinions to it. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8807:C80B:2D00:44D9:A6D5:9499:B1E7 ( talk) 02:04, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi AuH2ORepublican! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at Striguil that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia—it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Thank you. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 18:51, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Hi. Over a year ago, you reverted many of my edits in the Latin American page claiming that I was wrong for asserting that West Asians are considered Asian Latin America. Well, I decided to start discussion on the talk page because I still not sure why you were saying this. Especially if you read the sources provided. In Latin America, being "White" and "Asian" are not mutually exclusive concepts like they are in the U.S census. And many Latin American countries do not recognize generic "Asian" label as a "race" in their censuses. Some use "Yellow" (Amarela/Amarilla) to describe East Asian descendants, but East Asia =/= all of Asia. Clear Looking Glass ( talk) 23:08, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
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Hi, could you please link the Wikipedia writing/editing guide you're using that's dictating your edits on the nationality and national identity description in the introduction of Shirley Chisholm's article? I don't want to keep going back and forth on this but your reasoning each time comes across as POV, with no guide citations. so I'd appreciate knowing what the official stance there is on this, if any, for description of those of multiple nationality/national identity backgrounds going forward for my own editing and contribution here. ta Ratxbogbody ( talk) 05:17, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
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My edit that was deleted was for the Duval County page, not the Jacksonville page (I have no idea where to get election results for the City of Jacksonville). I guess that the Atlas of U.S. Presidential Elections, http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/, is not considered a "relible source" (despite the fact that it bases everything on government sources and is used by thousands of political professionals who pay for its premium content), so I went to the Duval County Supervisor of Elections website and confirmed that the numbers I had gotten from the Atlas for 2004 and 2000 were indeed correct. Here are the numbers for 2004: http://www.duvalelections.com/ERSummary.aspx?eid=9 and here are the ones for 2000: http://www.duvalelections.com/Election.aspx?eid=2 BTW, the Duval elections site only goes back to 2000, so I *did not* change the incorrect results for prior elections (which, BTW, were input without a source by whomever it was that did so). I apologize for having previously fixed obviously incorrect (and unsourced) information without meeting with Wikipedia's "reliable sources" criteria, but I honestly did not think that the Atlas of U.S. Presidential Elections would not be deemed to be "reliable." AuH2ORepublican 16:32, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Butch Lee played on the Puerto Rican Olympic team. That makes his nationality Puerto Rican. Corvus cornix 22:44, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
"Nationality" refers to a person's nation. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationality. Puerto Rico is not a nation, but a U.S. territory, and Puerto Ricans have been nationals of the U.S. since the Foraker Act of 1900 and citizens of the U.S. since the Jones Act of 1917. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_rico#Puerto_Rico_under_United_States_rule.
In any event, Butch Lee happened to be born in Puerto Rico, his parents were from the U.S. mainland, he was raised in the U.S. mainland from the age of 1 or so, and the only reason he played for the Puerto Rico Olympic Team (he qualified to play for Puerto Rico solely due to his accidental birth on the island) was because his college coach wouldn't recommend him for the U.S. Olympic Team; it wouldn't be until many years later that Butch Lee would move to Puerto Rico, to coach in the Superior Basketball League. It seems to me that, if one wanted to make a sociopolitical statement regarding Puerto Rican "nationality," Butch Lee would make an especially poor test case. AuH2ORepublican 23:12, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
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According to the House & Senate clerks offices, all thirteen draw retirement, although that's unnecessarily esoteric (and private, though public office) and former does work better in case someone included in the future is not. I've started reformatting Congressional links (for those whose article names include accents) e.g. Raúl Labrador. If there is anything you need help or "how to" with, I've had great success at the help desk, requests to edit semi-protected pages, and page move requests. I'm using generic IP in the 75.200 (thereabouts) for another 2 weeks, and then registering. Welcome to Wikipedia and HNY2011! 75.202.126.167 ( talk) 03:14, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
True, but since the date formatting counts from greenwich time, it showed their service as longer and they look out of order; knowing that that is just the computer doing its programming, however, I'm willing to hold off until after reality is correct, but we don't truly know which days Sen. Inouye or Rep. Young, as the examples who come to mind, are in HI & AK, respectively, without a lot more checking. Is there a guideline for this other than the one about future events? 75.202.106.96 ( talk) 02:39, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
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I have a question. In the lede you added, "... and were not subsequently elected by the people" to the sentence, "Of the nine senators, five were popularly elected, two were elected by the Mississippi State Senate, and two were appointed by a state Governor."
Which individuals that were appointed by a Governor sought to be elected? Thanks.
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Mitchumch, neither of the two African Americans that were appointed U.S. Senators and that were not subsequently elected to the office ran in a subsequent election (Roland Burris considered running if a special election was held (eventually, the Sixth Circuit forced Gov. Quinn to schedule the election for a date not later than the regular Election Day in November 2010) or in the regular election for a new six-year term, but eventually decided against it). However, I decided to refer to the appointees as not being "subsequently elected by the people" instead of "not having sought election" because it was immaterial whether or not they had sought the office (and had Tim Scott lost the 2014 special election, he would be one of the three appointed Senators that were not subsequently elected). The reason for my change was that, given Tim Scott's election and the commencement of his term as an elected Senator, it was incorrect to state that there only have been four African Americans popularly elected to the U.S. Senate, or to state that there only have been two African Americans appointed to the U.S. Senate without limiting the clause to those that were not subsequently elected (and I couldn't refer to five popularly elected Senators, two legislatively elected Senators and three appointed Senators without creating confusion given that there only have been nine African-American Senators).
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Hi,
I deeply considered your message go me. For the following reasons below, I am requesting that the number of sovereign states in all wikipedia related articles be 195- the 193 members of the UN, observer Vatican City, and observer state of Palestine (note; this was written in a fully objective and fact based basis and holds no prejudice or double standards in any of the sovereignty disputes regarding the partially recognized states);
- unlike the other states with limited recognition (abkhazia, Taiwan, North Cyprus, Kosovo, etc), all have 113 (~57%) or less recognitions by the UN, while Palestine has 136 recognitions, which amount to ~70.5% of the UN, which gives it limited recognition, but far beyond the partially recognised level. Additionally, states like China, Cyprus, Armenia, and Israel are also disputed by one or more UN members and still have sufficient enough recognition
- None of the states with partial or no recognition (including Kosovo) have neither member or observer status in the UN and do not participate in anyway while palestine is an observer (alongside Vatican City, another non member sovereign state)
- Contrary to popular belief, despite its limited recognition, no country (not even the ones that do not recognize Palestine) except Israel disputes palestinian sovereignty over the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem and actually support the creation of a Palestinian state in these territories, a goal also recognized and supported by the UN while the rest of the partially recognized states all are either (partly or fully) recognized as part of other countries and neither is their right to statehood.
- The UN did not fully reject Palestine, as it has granted it non member observer STATE status (along with some rights such as a permanent mission, it’s flag in its HQ, the right to join international conventions, etc), it is designated as ‘the state of palestine’ in official UN documents, and its observer status vote in 2012 ( among most votes on the issue ) witness an automatic majority. In addition, the security council did not reject the application for statehood in 2011, it just that UNSC members grew divided on the issue and was unable to muster a consensus. It is the palestinians that decided to put it on hold due to US pressure among other threats
I sincerely hope that the editing community will change Palestine’s categorization in all related Wikipedia articles, and this was all written in a neutral, objective, and fact based manner. Thank you
Talatastan ( talk) 23:16, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
Talatastan ( talk) 23:16, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
Hi there,
I see where your coming from when it comes to your views on the sovereign states number dispute, and I respect your opinion, but nevertheless the editing community is larger than just you alone and I intend, nevertheless, to keep fighting until all 193 + 2 UN countries are listed as sovereign states, REGARDLESS of whom. As i have stated nearly 4000 times to you in our earlier discussions but you still choose to disregard what I say, I hold NO bias towards any state under dispute by other UN members, even Palestine, and if Kosovo, Taiwan or even Antartica were observers in the UN and Palestine wasn't, then I would be fighting for Kosovos' or Taiwans or Antartica's inclusion instead. YES, Palestine is disputed by one UN member- Israel -, but so is Israel, as almost the entire Arab and Muslim world and a few others (Bhutan, North Korea, Cuba) dispute it sovereignty and are UN members and Israel is also recognized by a majority ( 161 UN members - 83% ) and the PR China is also majority recognized and a full UN member, but its also disputed by 19 UN members and vatican city and its recognition is also just below the 90s range. Besides, if you must include Kosovo and Taiwan as well, by all means go ahead and I have nothing against them personally. All in all, I too am tired of this numbers tit-for-tat and I hope that we can put our differences aside and hopefully reach a consensus
Talatastan ( talk) 23:25, 21 may 2018 (UTC)
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While your arguments are cogent, I have a sneaking suspicion that you’re wasting your breath on a bad actor, and Wiki’s nifty tool made it very easy for me to verify (Thanks, Wikipedia!):
“ CheckUser evidence confirms that the owner of this account has abusively used multiple accounts. (Account information: block log · CentralAuth · suspected sockpuppets · confirmed sockpuppets)” UsersLikeYou ( talk) 00:53, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
(....2 full years later) 😆. Your profile was good creeping, by the way! Keep on being you! UsersLikeYou ( talk) 00:56, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
Ok, I have agreed to come to a compromise with you and others who share your views- In all wikipedia articles, I will not object to you doing the 194 rule (193 UN members, Vatican), BUT... Palestine be in its OWN category by itself INDEPENDENT from the de facto gang, and Taiwan and Kosovo in their own separate category as 'special cases' (if you'd like) (but WITHOUT Palestine) until further notice. If you agree with this compromise, you are to inform the wider community of this agreed interim solution and get them to agree as well. How would you like that?
Talatastan ( talk) 23:26, 22 may 2018 (UTC)
Talatastan ( talk) 23:26, 22 may 2018 (UTC)
Yes will do. I will list 194 states, palestine by itself, taiwan and kosovo together, and the rest of the others together. Although I am working to change it, I will comply until consent is achieved. BTW, could you tell me where I can talk to the wider community to avoid further confusion, thanks.
Talatastan ( talk) 00:16, 22 may 2018 (UTC)
Talatastan ( talk) 00:16, 22 may 2018 (UTC)
Hi AuH2ORepublican,
I am so glad that the wiki community is having this much needed discussion, an also to hear your opinion. As to what I think of your views, however, You are correct when it comes to Taiwan, but as to Palestine, I'm gonna have to press the red buzzer. According to my research (including wikipedia), Yes, Palestine did not succeed in gaining full UN membership and yes, the majority of the 56 countries that do not recognize it as a state are significant players in the world economy but quantitatively speaking in the world, but we should not dismiss or negate the fact that 137/193= 71% members, as opposed to 56/193 members =29%, of the entire UN considers Palestine a state, which represents the myriad of the world, and in international law, the say of every already existing member of the family of sovereign nations, irregardless of their economic or political prowess, counts. Besides, there are several economic and world powers that you have not mentioned who acknowledge Palestinian nationhood, such as BRICS, GCC, Sweden, Turkey, Argentina and & Chile (both of which are far more better off economically than Mexico) Indonesia, and Malaysia. Furthermore, we must also not forget that, while its membership application failed, is was not rejected, as the matter was never even put to a vote by the Palestinian Authority and the official reason for this delay was the 'inability to reach a unanimous consensus', meaning that members were divided on the issue, as some opposed and some supported. We could, however, conclude that their application would be rejected if it was put to a vote and the vote did not succeed. Lets consider a hypothetical situation that Mahmoud Abbas is going to fly to New York in a week to discuss with Guterres his idea to table such a resolution to the security council over a beer (or, in this case, something non alcoholic) and Guterres does so; pertaining to current non permanent members, Bolivia, Ethiopia, the Cote Divoire, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Peru, and Sweden; pertaining to the P5, Russia and China will vote for as well. This equates to exactly 9 votes. Abstaining will likely be the Netherlands, Poland, (maybe) equatorial guinea, the UK, and (likely) France (two of five P5 members), amounting to 3 non permanent abstentions, and 2 P5 abstentions, meaning 5 in total. However, it would not pass as the US of A is (likely) to veto an application deemed to harsh to its oh so dear Israel. Say if it doesn't (which would be unlikely), the vote will go to the GA, which is Palestines home base. Therefore, the United States of America is arguably the only obstacle to full Palestinian membership, whereas for Taiwan, there are many more. All in all, I hold no prejudice towards your views, and I am nevertheless open to your proposal, and what I would propose is that either we do your proposal, or that, yet again, Taiwan be in an independent category, and the UN member and observer states are listed altogether. How does that sound?
Kawhilaugh42 ( talk) 00:55, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
After much consideration, I have come to the conclusion that I will have to agree to Palestine and Taiwan ROC can be put in the same category. Since I have agreed to this change, may I have permission to re-edit the Sovereign states of Asia page and all those subsequent to it as such? By the way, despite my consent, you do know that the UN has, from 2012, considered Palestinians a state right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kawhilaugh42 ( talk • contribs) 02:27, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Kawhilaugh42 ( talk) 02:09, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi AuH2ORepublican,
I am very relieved that a long running dispute on wikipedia is over. Given this, and given that we both have made some very difficult compromises, I would like the two of us to agree on something; the status quo will remain on all country related articles until further notice (I will get into that in a bit), but I am just proposing a few amendments. These are that
a) Palestine would not be depicted as minimally recognized of course without putting it in the same list as full UN members until further notice b) Kosovo be switched with Taiwan, as they have substantial control over their territory and the most recognized of the group c) Palestine OR Kosovo be added to the un members list when either Palestine is more recognized by important world players (such as much of the EU) and Kosovo if it gains member or observer status and is more widely recognized, and rearrangements of countries should not succumb to political biases or favouritisms
Furthermore, what I meant by until further notice, to ensure the status quo, and to avoid much confusion and further debate, I believe that we should set a criteria on when should a state, by wikipedia categorization, can be permitted to be listed with the 193 UN members, and the Holy See? What are you're thoughts?
Kawhilaugh42 ( talk) 21:19, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
AuH2ORepublican,
So it appears that you have a genuine desire to put an end to this controversy, given the discernible and considerable thought you have invested into the culmination of this criteria and your sporadical, objective, well-evidenced, and immense response, and I like that. As to what I think of it,
- Kosovo or Republic of Kosovo, is a definite contender, and the criterion you based Kosovo on- most de facto and de jure sovereignty of all states with limited recognition- is fully reminiscent to my interpretation, and Palestine, or State of Palestine, although it possesses more of the constitutional theory than the declarative theory and its the only one of these with some kind of UN seat, but then again has at least a slightly existent control over some affairs. Besides, the US, UN, UNESCO, France, UK, and China (those who know what they are talking about) all recognize 195 states (each of them recognizing either palestine or Kosovo)
- As to Taiwan (ROC) or Western Sahara, I would say that, considering that Western Sahara has only full membership in one important organization- the AU - but Taiwan has more (APEC, WTO, FIFA, IOC), and Taiwan excersizes 100% control over its territory (except the mainland) whereas the Polisario only controls 25% of theirs, but IF you count de jure recognition, western sahara has slightly more than Taiwan, although both have a roughly close number of embassies (in the official capacity; Taiwan 16, SADR 18). However, Taiwan is more "de facto" recognized. Therefore, I believe that western sahara should be reconsidered a dependent territory, not a partially or mostly recognised state) since we are going by UN guides here, add Taiwan should remain as on the list since, like Transnistria, it is sovereign fully de facto, but barely in the de jure sense, and Kosovo and Palestine move to round two
- As for the rest, I completely agree with you that they should remain as they are
- To be fair, we technically speaking should categorize Vatican here since, like Palestine, is not a member, but observer of the UN, while we should maintain that it has the highest and distinct status among them all
- Lastly, as for your criteria, YES, we should base recognition on influential world powers and middle powers, and we should consider de facto existence as well, but I also believe that, as to recognition, the minimum level of recognition where we should draw the line is ANYTHING above 110 (56% or higher) the number of large influential players should be at least 2 world powers and at least 5 middle or regional powers, it should be at least a member or observer of 5 or more important regional and international organizations, have a resident government, not in exile, controlling at least some important affairs and and acceptable portions of its territory
If you agree with most or all of these suggestions, I suggest that we JOINTLY propose them to other influential decision makers on wikipedia and see what THEY think
Kawhilaugh42 ( talk) 22:07, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
AuH2ORepublican,
That is a good definition, but just a FEW things;
You and I both understand by now that yes, Palestine may not qualify at the moment to join the primary list, yes, it only partially, if at all, succeeded in getting a UN seat (in the form of a non member observer state), and that 14 of those 25 nations don't recognize it as a state but we can both agree that 71%, although not from important players, of the UN 193 states deems Palestine to be a mostly, but not generally recognized state and we cannot ignore the fact that, despite not being a member, in the eyes of the UN (save for the states that don't recognize palestine in the assembly), Palestine is, viewed as a state (hence the usage of state of Palestine in official documents and non member observer STATE status as opposed to entity status (something that the wiki community acknowledges) but nevertheless, it can remain on this list until further notice. Second of all, I certainly agree that membership in regional bodies and sport competition ones like FIFA do not make one a state, nor was I insinuating that. Nor was I "countering" your criteria, but was simply adding a few changes. Third, we must remember that, while economic influence makes a state influential, it does not repudiate the fact ALL sovereign states, from Nauru to the US, are, in fact, equal, so I would say that everything you proposed except the part about top 25 GDP states should be kept. Additionally, I would say that, to be fair, I think that the Sahrawi republic will join kosovo and Palestine, but Taiwan should not, and to to be honest, it is not technically correct to call Palestine a "de facto" state since it actually is the far opposite. Also, Im not trying to interiorize others to Palestine, nor am I favouring it over others, but in terms of state recognition, the facts objectively speak for themselves. Therefore, I will accept your new definition, but just to replace the to 25 GDPs thing with the state that has the least legal dispute, meaning the least unrecognized. Also, may you accept that, with the adoption of our definition, we both agree that the above mentioned "de facto" states be removed from all limited recognition states and be put in their own category?
cheers!
Kawhilaugh42 ( talk) 00:18, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
AuH2ORepublican,
Despite our differences, you have been very fair and objective throughout entire debate, and you have a good reason for suggesting why this priori is the most suitable option, but what I meant is compromises on the part of personal biases. Also, I acknowledge that, despite both our biases, you are trying as best as you can to do things in a purely objective manner, and I don't dispute that whatsoever. However, I too will try not to succumb to personal biases when it comes to the following countries. Once and for all, I will fully accept your latest reformed version of the criteria, and keeping in line with being recognized but the top 25 GDP states, my final suggestion is that either Palestine or Kosovo be moved to the unambiguously 193+1 list of countries when Palestine is recognized by more EU countries or Kosovo is more recognized by more middle powers, such as BRINCS and Iran. That way, when most on both sides of the world order recognize Palestine, Kosovo, or both, then they can unambiguously be considered generally recognized and That the Sahrawi Republic be so moved when they fulfill this criteria and gain status in the UN or that Taiwan will be replacing the PRC when it does so. Nevertheless, I hold no prejudices towards either's cause, and as a mater of fact, I am somewhat sympathetic with them given their unfortunate political situations. Nevertheless, I regret that you percieved my last post to have a somewhat assertive and aggressive undertone, and that no such intention was there. Also on an important note, since we have finalized discussions on the matter, I am looking to bring our case to other prominent decision makers on wikipedia, so would you mind providing me with a list of some of their talk pages? It was a pleasure working with you!
Kawhilaugh42 ( talk) 20:13, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
AuH2ORepublican,
It surely has been an arduous and contentious process to reach to a (almost) middle ground between our understandings, and we both have made significant concessions to which we were not able to make prior to this point. While we may not agree on everything, one thing that we both have established is that the current organization of states needs to be slightly rendered in order to accustom political sensitivities, and I hold no prejudice towards the generous concessions that you have made. As to the ages old question of Palestine, I recognize and agree that it is generally understood that while Palestine may be majority recognized numerically speaking, it lacks sufficient political weight in the absence of recognitions from major world and western powers, all key players in IR, and that the US, at the present geopolitical circumstances, will not permit Palestine to upgrade to full membership and will force it to keep its albeit limited and peripheral form of membership in the UN alongside the Vatican (who prefers its status for the foreseeable future). Furthermore, we can also all agree that Palestine is not in a flimsy self governing position and that Israel and 55 other UN members in the world currently object to Palestines claims but not rights to be a sovereign nation. This is why I will accept, for now, them not being on the fully sovereign states list. Furthermore, your criteria seems well formulated. However, in the combined interest of you and me, I will make this LAST AND FINAL offer, in which i have tried so hard to take in your and my considerations. This is as follows, no more no less and will remain so - To be part of the 194 and indisputably sovereign, a country needs to be recognised widely both in the de jure and de facto senses. To be considered generally recognised de jure, the following criteria must be met in full; a) it must be recognised by 75-80%+ of the 194 aforementioned states, of which a considerable portion is made up by key players (the 20/24 largest GDPs) b) the extent to which the states sovereignty is disputed must be maximum 25% and minimum 20% (Israel and the reset of the SWLR are currently at 16.5%+) c) It MUST be recognised by (most or all) the following; the P5, the EU, the UN (independent of the opinions of the 194 states but its organizational views, such as any status that confers 'state'), BRINCS, the G7, G25, and G77 d) it MUST have full membership or observer membership in (most or all of the following)
i. UN ii. all MANDATORY regional organizations iii. at least 7 UN specialized agencies
e) the state must conduct foreign diplomatic relations at a substantial and normal rate (unlike that of north cyprus or abkhazia leaching onto Turkey or Russia for survival or like Kosovo SADR Taiwan having very minimal diplomatic outreaches or like Palestine having very few full diplomatic missions within its territory, which has more to do with practical impediments rather than lack of recognition, whereas Kosovo and Taiwan have some full diplomatic missions, the rest do not)
furthermore, my FINAL EVER proposal will be that Kosovo, Taiwan, and SADR remain in their current taxonomy and Palestine, apart from the 194 list but equivocal to that of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta and is to be considered not a state, but a 'legal entity under international law' analogous to that of SMO. I believe this because Palestine does not fully satisfies this criteria, but it does to the extent that its kind of 'in between' the two categories and that the SMO and Palestine are in practice and law, more or less the same because they are 'states' that conduct foreign relations equivalent to that of 194 countries, are considered 'sovereign' by major world bodies like the UN (but not some of its members) and can accede to int'l treaties because they have some legal privileges that the 3 de facto states do (although Palestine is still de facto). Honestly, I truly emphasize with the people of all disputed countries and regardless of ones stance on their disputes, it is very unfortunate that they are affected by the hardships and ambiguities caused upon them as a result of these disputes as we speak not just on a political level, but on all levels and social worldwide understandings, and honestly, each and every single one of them deserves to live like any other person from any non disputed country on earth, and to a considerable extent, its the conflicting interests and greed of the major powers and on a sociological level, the inability for mankind to agree on everything as proved throughout human history. This is the last and only other offer I will be making. If you do still disagree, however, this will still remain my offer but you are more than welcome to keep the status quo of our agreements reached throughout these extensive discussions and to raise the issue with other editors of the wiki community. I am officially, for now, will be taking a moratorium on these efforts. Thank you.
Kawhilaugh42 ( talk) 22:14, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
AuH2ORepublican,
there are currently numerous editors arbitrarily and disruptively editing on wikipedia, particularly in regards to the Arab Israeli conflict. While am strongly adherent and oppose arbitraily and disruptively editing, how may you suggest I deter such behaviour on wikipedia?
Kawhilaugh42 ( talk) 01:12, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
AuH2ORepublican,
Bearing in mind that we have long established a consensus on how to classify countries on wikipedia for the publics general understanding, could I just request that, despite being undeniably more sovereign than Palestine, Taiwan, SADR, and Kosovo and having no dispute over its statehood and that is chooses not to be one but will be unanimously accepted once it does, I am just requesting that it be put either separate from the main category of European states and separate from the former group, or it be put in the same category as kosovo as it is not a full UN member so as to be consistent with our policy of classifying only UN full members in the main category? Thoughts?
Kawhilaugh42 ( talk) 02:03, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
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AuH2ORepublican,
I thought that Taiwan was not substantially recognized no? sorry for the confusion.
Kawhilaugh42 ( talk) 02:34, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
Why do users label ihan Omar as African American, she's Somali American not African American, African Americans are an ethnic group of black Americans, not all Caucasians are Italian Hornets23 ( talk) 17:05, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
Just because references list her as African American doesn't mean shes really African American, I just wanted to say that because that's an insult to black Americans who's ancestors endured slavery in the United States, I recommend you do your research regarding African Americans on the wiki page regarding African Americans Hornets23 ( talk) 17:34, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
I understand, but as an black American from the United States I can't go their countries and claim I'm their ethnicity because I'm not. Same case for Mia love her parents immigrated from hati and Kamala Harris dad is from Jamaica. That's just wrong of some media outlets of labelling people a certain ethnic group, I think some canidates should represent their own ethnic group Hornets23 ( talk) 17:56, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
With all due respect forget about sub-sarharan African thing, the term African American refers to an ethnic group most often to people whose ancestors experienced slavery in the United States, go to the African American wiki page and click on reference 6 Hornets23 ( talk) 19:37, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
But African immigrants are distinct from African Americans because the ancestors of African Americans were brought from West Africa via the Atlantic slave trade, I Highly recommend you visit the African immigration to the United States wiki page and feel free to talk on my page? Hornets23 ( talk) 00:55, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
Mia love's parents immigrated to the United States from hati, so that makes her Hatian American, not AfricanAmerican if both of her parents endured slavery like most American born blacks ancestors did she would be African-American, you have to realize their are different types of black people Hornets23 ( talk) 14:23, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
Hello AuH2ORepublican,
I believe there is a slight objective error on your countries page. Although I am Bhutanese myself and have nothing to do with Palestinian issues, you are listing Taiwan in the same category as palestine, the substantially recognised states category. Assuming you forgot 'substantial' means, Taiwan, or republic of china, is only recognised by barely 20 countries while, according to the international recognition of the State of Palestine page, far more (137 states) recognise Palestinian state status, so why not put taiwan in the de facto category and leave palestine as its own section? just a suggestion ;) have a nice day!
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Re this revert, please read the guideline MOS:JOBTITLES, which I linked for your convenience in my edit summary. "30th president of the United States" in the short description is equivalent to the example in the guideline, "Nixon was the 37th president of the United States." Would you like to self-revert or shall I do it? ― Mandruss ☎ 03:55, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
Jimmy Carter https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/426227-jimmy-carter-tells-booker-i-hope-you-run-for-president I have used the RfC function, let's see how it goes! Tony85poon ( talk) 03:54, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
RE your summary: [1]
I know what extant means, I was referring to the fact that the last male died that other day, making them soon to be extinct. Try to keep up. Joshjoshajosh ( talk) 17:10, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
It's better to accurately document the demise of wildlife than to scare people onto action. Wikipedia has more of a responsibility than looking backwards, at the very least you could have left the edit up longer. But no, you chose to feed your ego by insulting me. Good job, I hope your family money runs out soon so intelligent people are forced to act rather than sit around all day feeling smug. Joshjoshajosh ( talk) 22:41, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
Hey, Joshjoshajosh, just for reference, (as intelligent, learned individuals ((such as your/oursleves care to note))), it’s spelled summary. Call me a pedant, if you will, but a gramatically observant pedant I shall be. UsersLikeYou ( talk) 01:26, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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Jonathunder ( talk) 17:52, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
If you want to change the name of the article to "List of Arab Americans in the United States Congress," I'd support you, and indeed would drop the AfD. After we move the article, we will debate whether we should use OR to call all former Congresspersons of Lebanese Christian ancestry (partial or full) Arabs. But I would support a name change over the AfD. I'm just not sure how to initiate the process. GergisBaki ( talk) 13:42, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
I believe your July 30th edit to the article for the Indian rhinoceros was a mistake. You edited that article to distinguish between different types of one-horned rhinoceros. Which is unnecessary, since that article is not for the one-horned rhinoceros. There is a separate article for the one-horned rhinoceros, and that separate article already includes the distinction you drew.
On the other hand, the article for the (great) Indian rhinoceros requires a note to distinguish it from the lesser Indian rhinoceros, which is described on the page for the Javan rhinoceros.
It's true that lesser Indian rhinoceros is not the alternate name for all Javan rhinoceros, as you noted in your edit description. But it is the alternate name for one particular extinct subspecies of Javan rhinoceros. And that's why they needed the original note that you altered. - 72.186.111.112 ( talk) 23:42, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
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Re [2] [3]. First off, I'm not sure what you mean by "unsourced deletions": what is unsourced is the content I had removed, and you've restored. In my edit summary, I didn't refer to the Panama Canal, but to the Panama Isthmus, which as far as I'm aware is traditionally taken to be the boundary (see for example [4]. To a large extent, the Darien Gap overlaps with the isthmus, so I wouldn't mind it if new text is added that mentions both. But we ought to have sources for that. If you would like to write that text, go ahead, I'm not interested myself: I ended up making these edits only as part of a clean up after the recent additions of a Colombian POV pusher.
Also, a lot of the text you've restored is not relevant to the topic. Boundaries between the continents of Earth is about the boundaries and how their understanding and definition has changed historically. Long paragraphs of text about the archaeology or colonial history of the areas where the boundaries happen to lie is out of scope. – Uanfala (talk) 11:47, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Also note that the article Darién Gap was recently recently rewritten by the same user whose content you're restoring. – Uanfala (talk) 11:56, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Webster's New Geographical Dictionary (list and map). Merriam-Webster Inc. 1984. pp. 856, 859.
@ Uanfala (talk), I reverted every edit made after July 1, 2019 to the continental-boundaries article , but (i) removed the purported map of transcontinental countries that had caused controversy and went beyond the scope of the article and (ii) fixed the grammar and provided a Wikilink to the "Darién Gap" article that describes the Darién Mountains watershed, and added the more specific language to the introductory section of the article confusingly had said that the boundary between North and South America was "the isthmus of Panama" (which could be misconstrued to mean the narrowest part of the isthmus). What do you think? AuH2ORepublican ( talk) 15:38, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
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I think you should really report the behaviour in Talk:List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Asia at WP:AN/I; this is outright harassing for the sake of it, and looking at those accounts' behaviour through time this raises hounding concerns. I tried to open a SPI on it once I spotted all of this in that talk page, because this looks like obvious duck sockpuppetry, but was ignored by the same admin that closed the previous one on 23 July without even looking at the presented evidence. Your talk page is literally full of random notices from this person! Impru20 talk 17:54, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
Guys, settle down there is no need to file a duck sockpuppetry case against me as I have already apologized for my actions and taken back what I said earlier. Also, i remain committed to reaching a consensus, and I don’t believe it is consistent with wiki guidelines to call another editor a “punk”.
Lo meiin ( talk) 01:58, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
As a young editor, I learned from my mistakes and taking these experiences to grow from them. Yes, I have used libel towards you in the past, but I am repentful for my actions and will absolutely refuse to go down the same path as talatastan and his sockpuppets. All in all, I pledge not to make any more edits on the issue until we reach a consensus and will not level any false and twisted accusations against you again. Putting myself in your shoes, I am completely sympathetic with you when seeing how much you had to put up with in dealing with blacklisted editors talatastan and his Sockpuppets and I don’t blame you for feeling the way you are. However, there is no need to believe I am one of his sockpuppets, as, from what I’ve learned from other editors and reading their Sockpuppet investigations, they have levelled profane and personal insults at you (when I never insulted you as a person but your views, for which i repented) and have refused to stop their persistent POV propaganda and constantly ignored warnings, but I am not doing that; instead, I am heading to the calls by you and other editors to excessive restraint and I have on several occasions denounced these sockpuppets behaviour ( such as that insensitive comment on pacific island nations and Arabistan labelling you a “smarta**”, and I refuse to be associated with any of talatastans sockpuppets. Moreover, this is not out of negotiation, but in the hopes of reaching a consensus, I am suggesting on my part either of the 4 suggestions I put forth. I look forward to working with you and other editors productively in the future.
Lo meiin ( talk) 15:01, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
I request that you Please keep our dispute restricted to the Asia page. As you say I shouldn’t make edits until a consensus is reached, you shall not either. Thank you
Lo meiin ( talk) 00:11, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
I would also like to get your take on either suggestions A B C or D in order to determine the consensus. Thank you Lo meiin ( talk) 15:03, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
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This isn't the first time, right? I still remember Socotra and
Ian Smith article issue between you and me.
I never saw you editing
this article before?. I see a disturbing wikihounding against 'Lo meiin' you are clearly following their edits. And BTW yes the UAE announced that they are withdrawing their troops from Yemen.
[7] Although I dont think this is what you cared about, you were only following their edits to revert them. I know you are a nice person but you seem short-tempered.--
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I would like to raise your attention to some POV activities of user warkosign in which he is attempting to enforce pro Israeli bias just as others are enforcing pro Arab bias. Please keep an eye on him just as you would with pro arab editors. Thank you
Lo meiin ( talk) 14:38, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
AuH20republican,
I know it’s been a tumultuous few months and I’m just as worn out as you are at this dispute and There are times where I should have used greater inhibition and restraint. We all desire it’s conclusion more than anything; this is why that I am strongly urging you to keep the generally and substantially recognized states combined in one section, but without prejudice to the status descriptions currently assigned to Taiwan and Palestine in wiki pages that currently distinct them. I am appealing to you to please keep it that way as this, in my opinion, is the most NPOV and fair consensus which will satisfy all editors. The feasibility of this consensus is evidenced by how both of us did not significantly alter the chart after the post. I am simply asking you to allow this edit to remain just as you did before, nothing more, nothing less. This is within the genuine interest of all editors, not just mine and neither any side of these conflicts. And I, if this consensus is achieved, once again vow to cease any and ALL edits concerning anything to do with the A-I conflict until I am a confirmed user or deemed by the wiki community as fit to edit such articles. Please, for everyone’s sake, reconsider and know that this is in the interest of all
Lo meiin ( talk) 20:00, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I want to clarify my offer. I am not suggesting that Palestine Kosovo Taiwan or the sahrawi republic be categorized as generally recognized, I am saying that we do a chart that includes the current Asian states listed, Plus Palestine and Taiwan, but that a distinction be made between these two countries and the 49 states with general acknowledgement. The title will subsequently become “ generally and substantially recognized sovereign states”. My insistence on this plan is not out of my subjective apathy towards Israel or the Arab states, I am simply imporing you to take this decision because I know very well that there will be Arab and/or Palestinian users out there that will continue to edit Wikipedia for political aims and this Will only further exacterbate the situation. Ince again, I repeat, the 49 GRSS and the 2 SRS be combined in one category but distinct from each other; for example, South Korea and Saudi Arabia will be designated generally recognized, while Palestine and Taiwan will have descriptions like “substantially recognized.... recognized by [] countries”. Evidence of this was that it was up for a week until WarKosign pressured you to take it down, I am urging you not to heed to any Arab or israel advocates calls and go ahead with this edit, for the better of all. And once more, I reiterate that all and any editing on my part on this issue will cease for the foreseeable future if this request is carried out. You have your opinion and I respect it, but I personally fear that your disinclination to do so will lead to more POV. Keyboard warriors on Wikipedia’s tail. If you accept my request, I promise I will personally defend you and it against all POV user myself, whatever the cost. Either Do what’s best for all, or risk igniting this tinderbox. The choice is yours
Lo meiin ( talk) 21:47, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
“Since you seem to be incapable of acting civilly or following the rules” I’ve been trying to achieve consensus by all means, including discussion on the talk page, so no, I am following the rules and I’m sorry if you fail to see that due to your subjective disliking of me. Moving on, I see your point that combining the two would cause some confusion, so in spite of this I suggest we omit any mention of the lack of recognition by some generally recognized states ( for example, my country by 15 un members and the Vatican and North Korea by 3 states ) and instead keep their descriptions and those of all other GRS, while we can place Taiwan and Palestine, regardless of alphabetical order, at the bottom with their current descriptions intact. Furthermore, the heading will go something like this “ there are 51 states in this list, 49 of which are GR, 2 of which are SR. I believe this will clear any ambiguity
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I believe you are towing the line by tracking my every move on wikipedia. I feel threatened by you as I am starting to feel that this behaviour is not necessarily so, but may be bordering, violation of Wikipedia's Harassment policy.
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I do not want to cause trouble. Please engage with me either here or on the talk page. My reason for the green scheme map is simple: the United Nations is an official organization that has specific member-states per this source. [8] I have nothing against de facto states, but the United Nations wikipedia page is not the place for a de facto world map as it deals with inter-state diplomacy and is an extremely formal organization. This green scheme map has been used for several years and is used in over twenty different languages across wikipedia. The blue scheme map is new and only used on one page and has been contested ever since it was uploaded. Numerous discussions have taken place both on the talk page and on the Neutral point of view noticeboard discussion. None of them have led to a clear consensus favoring the blue scheme map. Kindly bring in your feedback here or on the talk page. Again, I do not want to cause trouble and I hope we can have a civilized discussion. Wadaad ( talk) 11:47, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
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Please self-revert.-- SharabSalam ( talk) 15:18, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
RfC - request for comment RfD - redirects for discussion
You probably mean RfC, but keep using the term RfD. “ WarKosign ” 12:00, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
@ AuH2ORepublican: I have noticed that in February, March and September of this year, you have made edits to List articles that involve numbering of states, that your edits are targetted at Palestine and give effect to a denumbering within the list of that entity even though the numbering had been in place for many years. The reasons being given in edit summaries for these changes are not only OR but are incorrect and I have been undoing your edits at the relevant pages. I would ask you to cease and desist from any more of this. Thank you. Selfstudier ( talk) 04:28, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
@ AuH2ORepublican: At 2 of the three articles directly in question (leaving aside related issues in regards to a fourth and possibly other articles) I have self reverted two of my edits that restored the long time Palestine numbering. I invite you to re-implement those two edits yourself. In the meantime, based on what I am seeing so far, I am assuming that I will be left with no alternative except to take the issues to dispute resolution. Thank you. Selfstudier ( talk) 06:59, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
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The title is "Long term increasing POV and OR editing of List articles re Palestine." Selfstudier ( talk) 15:10, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
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You are clearly taking the Orthodox or Conservative opinion on who is Jewish. However, 35% or 5,250,000 Jews are Reform Jews. That is the plurality of Jewish Americans. You are clearly also wrong on Reform Judaism. You falsely claimed "Even in Reform Judaism, having a Jewish father does not by itself make you Jewish." Yet, since 1983 the Reform Movement has claimed "a child born of one Jewish parent, whether it is the mother or the father, is under the presumption of being Jewish." In the future, you should look into the Reform Judaism's platform before claiming to know what it states. Further, 900,000 Jews identify as Reconstructionist which has allowed patrilineal descent.
This is a list of Jewish AMERICAN politicians. So why should the Jewish identity and beliefs of a plurality American Jews not be considered? Further, you went on to claim that someone does not qualify for the list because they have "never has practiced Judaism," but that's not a good source of argument. Bernie Sanders could be removed from the list given that he has not attended Jewish services for more than 60 years. I'm sure that the same thing for many others on the list. Further, Judaism is not a religion and is defined as such on its wikipedia page and describes as an "ethnic religion." That is an ethnicity with specific religious components similar to Native Americans. Practicing the religious portion of Judaism is a part of being a Jew.
Where have you gotten your Rabbinic or Judaic education since you seem so inclined to define Judaism without taking American Judaism into account. Are you even Jewish? Pennsylvania2 ( talk) 04:17, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
All due respect, but the reason there's a dispute is because people have an erroneous conception of what qualifies as a "Note". Nevermore27 ( talk) 22:49, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi AuH2ORepublican, I wanted to ask you a question about an edit you made on List of African-American United States Representatives. The edit in question is here. I didn't understand why the edit was made or what you were asking. Thanks. Mitchumch ( talk) 03:24, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Hey I just wanted to let you know there is a new new talk section I added to List of minority governors. I would like your input if you could. HospitalDinoko3344 ( talk) 18:00, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
I replied back HospitalDinoko3344 ( talk) 19:04, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Hello HarmonicSympathy ( talk) 10:26, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
The national origin and/or ethnicity of United States Representatives of African-American/Black racial category should be mentioned when possible. This is because other lists of people of color in the United States Congress does the same exact thing and this format should be implemented across the several pages of similar topics. For example the Wikipedia article for the List of Arab and Middle Eastern Americans in the United States Congress does the same thing for Arab, Middle Eastern, North African, and West Asian decent in which their national heritage origin and/or ethnicity. I know that not all African-Americans know their constituent ethnicity or national origin but the ones that do and have it mentioned in their respective Wikipedia articles should have theirs's stated - that's why some are mentioned while I had not finished finding the others yet, I was letting other editors finish the rest if or when they find it - @ AuH2ORepublican: -. . ItsLife1 ( talk) 19:15, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
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Hello, hope all is going well with everyone! Can someone please help me out with this?
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Here's the answer. "Who's Who in Music and Drama" c.1914 edited by Dixie Hines, Harry Prescott Hansford http://books.google.com/books?id=tpafAAAAMAAJ&q=pedro+de+cordoba#v=snippet&q=pedro%20de%20cordoba&f=false
It may also be in John Parker's "Who Was Who in the Theatre" series, various editions up to de Cordoba's death in 1950, but I haven't checked. In the Parker books the performers' entry is discontinued after he or she dies, so you have to check older editions published when that person was alive. Cheers Koplimek ( talk) 15:43, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Although I understand why you reverted my on the Person of color article, I just want to say, that in my edit, I meant that people who are considered Arab/Middle Eastern American are, in some contexts, considered "People of color" in the United States, like outside of the U.S census. Now, I'm aware that my claims would count as original research, so I'll try to find specific sources to back this up and edit the page when I can. I just wanted to clear up the intentions of my edit and I'm sorry for bugging you.
As far as media/entertainment examples go, Princess Jasmine of Disney is "white" by the U.S census standards, because she is from a fictional West Asian country (reportedly inspired by the West Asian country of Iraq, just with a jumbled up name), and the U.S government/census does not consider West Asians as being "Asian/Asian American" or a "person of color". Despite this, multiple articles and books have been written calling her the first "Disney Princess of color" [10] [11] Quote: "Can I get some cheers for the first Disney princess of color?" Quote: "Only four princesses in Disney's history of storytelling have been of color. This first was Jasmine, who appeared in Aladdin in 1992." There has also been people throwing accusations of "whitewashing" for characters of Persian [12] or Egyptian [13] origin, despite both people being considered "white" by the U.S census and not Asian/Asian American (in the case of Persians/Iranians). Clear Looking Glass ( talk) 03:52, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the revert. I was completely wrong. My edit reflected my ignorant assumptions. BobFromBrockley ( talk) 07:08, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
I think you are overly confident there is such. The United States census does not define the term, it defines the specific terms for the specific categories. The problem is that the way it defines white is far broader than most people use it. Most people would consider Rashida Tlaib to not be white, but per US census definitions, she is without question White. This is a major issue in defining Arabs, as well as Iranians. It may also apply to Turkish people, and to Turkic people from Central Asia. I am not even sure if the Census staff themselves know if those from Afghanistan are white. However the census draws the line it makes no sense, since Baloch people from Iran are white but those from Pakistan are Asian.
The Hispanic/Spanish descent/Latino group is even more confusing. This term did not exist in the census before 1970. Studies show that how the wording on Hispanicness/Spanish Ancestry/Latinoness was asked in 1970 would produce more positive responses if it was still the way the question was asked today. The questions was not asked before 1970, so if we are going to go by US census definitions, we can only count as "Minority" Hispanic/Spanish-descened/Latino governors from 1970 on, and have to exclude them from before 1970. In the 1950 and 1960 census those people with ancestral origins in India/South Asia were counted as white. Also bear in mind that pre-1980 it was census takers who had the job of applying race, not those answering. This is one reason why there are some people who on different census are marked as black, white and mulatto. Pre-2000 one could only mark one race on the census. The most fun think is that in the late 19th-century the census explicitly stated that mixed Euro-American/Native American children (they used other terms, but that is what they meant) should be classes as "Indian" if living in a tribal setting and "white" if living in a non-tribal setting, so based on this rule we may have to reevaluate the inclusion of some Native American on this list, since they may have lived in a time and place where the level of tribal inclusion was very relevant, we may have to scrutinize such sources to see if they are per census definition in fact white. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 13:50, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
Hello. At the ADR page, you accused me of removing that Azerbaijan was emancipatory, "Please note, however, that the "first successful secular democratic republic in the Turkic and Muslim worlds" language was adopted as a compromise following ample discussion over several years." I never said otherwise. But the German Wikipedia page says it was the second. I don't need consensus for this. Otherwise, all editors would need consensus. -- 217.149.166.11 ( talk) 09:21, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi there, I dis-agree with the fact that you claim for Arab-Americans to be considered "white" because the Census states so when the Census has even decided to implant a new category for Middle-Eastern North African citizens within the US. A white person is someone from Europe and is a Caucasian and if you research actual facts, Arabs originated from the Middle-East which is not European nor any genetic-relating to European people (White people) Both Arab Christians and Muslims continue to express fears of responding to the 2020 Census because of anti-immigrant policies targeting the Arab community. Testings for a MENA catergory had been conducted by the Bureau in assistance to the US Census and they had successful results in which they formally recommended the MENA category be added to the Census. Please if you look at other censuses such as the UK, Canada and Australia, there has been a formal recognition for Arabs as people of color. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MoeMoe01 ( talk • contribs) 01:10, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Hello I started a new talk page on the RFC, since you are a regular there I was wondering if you could contribute your opinions to it. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8807:C80B:2D00:44D9:A6D5:9499:B1E7 ( talk) 02:04, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi AuH2ORepublican! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at Striguil that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia—it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Thank you. Ghmyrtle ( talk) 18:51, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Hi. Over a year ago, you reverted many of my edits in the Latin American page claiming that I was wrong for asserting that West Asians are considered Asian Latin America. Well, I decided to start discussion on the talk page because I still not sure why you were saying this. Especially if you read the sources provided. In Latin America, being "White" and "Asian" are not mutually exclusive concepts like they are in the U.S census. And many Latin American countries do not recognize generic "Asian" label as a "race" in their censuses. Some use "Yellow" (Amarela/Amarilla) to describe East Asian descendants, but East Asia =/= all of Asia. Clear Looking Glass ( talk) 23:08, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
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Hi, could you please link the Wikipedia writing/editing guide you're using that's dictating your edits on the nationality and national identity description in the introduction of Shirley Chisholm's article? I don't want to keep going back and forth on this but your reasoning each time comes across as POV, with no guide citations. so I'd appreciate knowing what the official stance there is on this, if any, for description of those of multiple nationality/national identity backgrounds going forward for my own editing and contribution here. ta Ratxbogbody ( talk) 05:17, 26 March 2024 (UTC)