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Raleigh is hardly known for being a spy, regardless of how one views the charges of treason; fixed the opening sentence. A bit more detail about his fallout with Robert Cecil, and political background to the charges, is called for. Another few sentences about Essex and the treasonous plots, should also be added. +sj + 04:43, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
My evidence professor lead me to believe that Sir Walter Raleigh's death prompted the hearsay rule on evidence, which essentially states that an out of court witness' statements can't be introduced for the truth of the matter asserted in court (so, I can't testify that "Bill told me that Sir Walter Raleigh intended to kill the king"). The rule is very relevant for modern court proceedings, and had it been present most likely Raleigh wouldn't have been executed (think it was unsubstantiated rumor that was alleged against him). I'd add it in directly, but I don't have anything besides a foggy recollection to substantiate the claim. Any help? Jahenderson 19:15, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
We had a nice article through to the 25th of February; then 86.130.50.48 and 87.126.28.171 deleted everything without explanation.
WB2 07:10, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
The introduction should be more than a few sentences on the man's name. At least add a small summary of his life and his achievements to the introduction. HoCkEy PUCK 16:44, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know why the Raleigh Bicycle company named itself after Sir Walter Raleigh? His image was used for many years in Raleigh ads and catalogs. -- Amir ( 147.234.2.2 11:26, 29 October 2006 (UTC))
Elsewhere on the internet Raleigh's last words are said to be "So the heart be right, it is no matter which way the head lieth" or something along those lines - sources found http://www.bartleby.com/268/3/6.html and http://www.corsinet.com/braincandy/dying2.html. Clarify please -- Kevin ( 86.130.146.82 17:09, 7 June 2006 (UTC))
How is it that this article has gone this long without mentions of these details? — Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 15:11, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
There is an error--junk--in the New World Section —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ccarroll ( talk • contribs) 10:25, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Is Sao Tome of Sao Tome and Principe the place intended in the first paragraph of this article? Arthurian Legend ( talk) 04:15, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
It seems that many of the events described in the lead are not mentioned again later in the article, although they probably should be. -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:12, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Please contact me as to the correct way to edit a Wikipedia article, as this is my first attempt at doing this.
I understand that this is not a forum for argument or point of view, but rather one of providing information. My intention is only to provide additional details which one might find useful in their quest for history.
OLD TEXT In 1587, Raleigh attempted a second expedition again establishing a settlement on Roanoke Island. This time, a more diversified group of settlers was sent, including some entire families, under the governance of John White. After a short while in America, White was recalled to England in order to find more supplies for the colony. He was unable to return the following year as planned, however, because the Queen had ordered that all vessels remain at port in case they were needed to fight the Spanish Armada. It was not until 1591 that the supply vessel arrived at the colony, 4 years later, only to find that all colonists had disappeared. The only clue to their fate was the word "CROATOAN" and letters "CRO" carved into separate tree trunks, suggesting the possibility that they were either massacred, absorbed or taken away by Croatans or perhaps another native tribe. Other speculation includes their being swept away or lost at sea during the stormy weather of 1588 (credited with aiding in the defeat of the Spanish Armada). However, it is worth noting that a hurricane prevented John White and the crew of the supply vessel from actually visiting Croatoan to investigate the disappearance, and no further attempts at contact were recorded for some years. Whatever the fate of the settlers, the settlement is now remembered as the "Lost Colony of Roanoke Island".
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In 1587, Raleigh attempted a second expedition again establishing a settlement on Roanoke Island. This time, a more diversified group of settlers was sent, including some entire families, under the governance of John White. After a short while in America, White was recalled to England in order to find more supplies for the colony. He was unable to return the following year as planned, however, because the Queen had ordered that all vessels remain at port in case they were needed to fight the Spanish Armada. However, the threat of the Armada was only partially responsible for the 4 year delay of the second expedition. After England's victory over the Spanish fleet in 1588 the ships were given permission to sail. Unfortunately for the colonists at Roanoke the small fleet made an excursion towards Cuba in an attempt to capture as prizes the treasure laden Spanish merchant ships that were reported to be proliferate in those waters at that time. White is said to have objected to this unplanned foray, but was helpless to dissuade the crews who'd been told of the enormous riches to be had by the experienced (he had previously piloted in the Americas in the service of the Spanish), Portuguese pilot hired by Raleigh to navigate the voyage. It was not until 1591 that the supply vessel arrived at the colony, 4 years later, only to find that all colonists had disappeared. The only clue to their fate was the word "CROATOAN" and letters "CRO" carved into separate tree trunks, suggesting the possibility that they were either massacred, absorbed or taken away by Croatans or perhaps another native tribe. Other speculation includes their being swept away or lost at sea during the stormy weather of 1588 (credited with aiding in the defeat of the Spanish Armada). However, it is worth noting that a hurricane prevented John White and the crew of the supply vessel from actually visiting Croatoan to investigate the disappearance, and no further attempts at contact were recorded for some years. Whatever the fate of the settlers, the settlement is now remembered as the "Lost Colony of Roanoke Island". -- Ottooflondon ( talk) 05:47, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Was it Whitehall or the Tower of London? The article claims both, and neither claim has a citation. Dwsnyder00 ( talk) 02:08, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
His head is buried underneath the Organ in the church (St.Mary's)in West Horsley, Surrey (his wife lived opposite). So although his body is in St.Pauls his head isn't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.235.13.179 ( talk) 09:22, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
There seems to be a discrepancy in the section on "Later Life" - at one point it says that Raleigh's son Wat survived his parents, but later it appears that Wat was killed during Raleigh's lifetime. Could someone (who knows more about it than I do) fix this, please? -- Jon Rob 14:04, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
In the reference to "Her Reply" (His answer to the Marlowe poem) there appear to be two mistakes. First, it says the rhyme scheme is a-a-a-b-b, as each stanza has only 4 lines, there should only be 2 a's and 2 b's. Second, it says he wrote the reply 4 years later, but gives the same year for each of the two poems. -- James Flanagan ( 99.244.36.61 22:27, 24 March 2009 (UTC))
I'm studying the Spenser Raleigh connection and everything I've read (three different texts, mind you) cite his imprisonment as 1592 (likely July). Any comment? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.86.126.18 ( talk) 17:53, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Someone has changed Walter Raleigh's Year of Birth to 1552. Many authorities are unsure of Raleigh's exact birth date, but most say 1554 is most likely. I have not reverted the Year of Birth. Is there a more authoritative answer? Nick Taylor 15:19, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
"In 1592, Raleigh was given many rewards by the Queen, including Durham House in the Strand and the estate of Sherborne, Dorset. He was appointed Captain of the Yeomen of the Guard, and as Lord Warden of the Stannaries of Devon and Cornwall(<<!The latter is listed above as happening in 1585>>). However, he had not been given any of the great offices of state. In the Armada year of 1588, Raleigh was appointed Vice Admiral of Devon, looking after the coastal defences and military levies." There is something wrong with the chronology here and the 'concealed comment'.-- Felix Folio Secundus ( talk) 11:51, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
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There's a common myth that Walter Raleigh introduced the potato to Britain. Though there is little evidence to support the idea, I think it would be worth mentioning.-- Jcvamp 23:52, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
...why Sir Walter Raleigh was such a stupid git? Glandrid ( talk) 20:43, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Just listened to this song, which was the point of this googling. Which brings me to my next point... Bblakeney ( talk) 08:49, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
In case you're still wondering, Bblakeney, it's apparently because Raleigh introduced tobacco to the Western world. If you notice, right before he says it, he says he'll have another cigarette. I wholeheartedly agree with Lennon, he was a stupid git. Glandrid ( talk) 08:33, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
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Add this line to the bibliography:
Death of the Fox (1971), by George Garrett, is a historical novel which subtly and accurately communicates Raleigh's personality, times and complex circumstances.
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Not done:Bibliographies should include only nonfiction sources about the subject; as a novel, it can't qualify. If that book is particularly notable, a sentence about it could go into the Legacy section (alongside the other pop-culture references). I'll leave that for editors more experienced in Raleigh-ism to decide.
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I think there's a problem with the following: Royal favour with Queen Elizabeth I had been restored by this time but did not last. Elizabeth died in 1603, and Raleigh was arrested at Exeter Inn, Ashburton, Devon and imprisoned in the Tower of London on 19 July.
Although Queen Elizabeth is mentioned in the previous sentence, because Raleigh's wife was also named Elizabeth, there's some ambiguity in the phrase "Elizabeth died". Perhaps better to say "The Queen died".
Thanks! esserte 00:59, 14 December 2010 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Esserte ( talk • contribs)
I see no consensus for this article using the spelling "Raleigh" and I am persuaded by the ODNB's use of "Ralegh" that that should also be the usage here, with a redirect from "Raleigh". Malleus Fatuorum 22:21, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Not so. In the middle of an edit-war, it behoves conscientious editors to realise that there is a contentious issue, and accordingly, despite WP:BRD, realise that there is an issue open for constructive discussion. The article was stable in one version for a lengthy time, and a major change of name to one that is not consonant with WP:COMMONNAME surely invites discussion. I'd say that if the name of the article mattered that much to you, since you have "been watching and editing this article for years", you would have changed it yourself before now. As it happens, you didn't do that, so I can only assume that you were happy with the way it was. I would have "batted an eyelid", although I assume you would have not made such a major change in the middle of an edit-war and preferred to bring the issue here for discussion. Rodhull andemu 01:02, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Enough of that and back to the discussion. Is there consensus for any name? Elen of the Roads ( talk) 16:22, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
There seems to be a tension between COMMONNAME and following modern high quality sources. Both are strong arguments but seemingly on this issue pull us in different directions. Neither spelling would make us look stupid, and this dispute is not worth anybody getting upset over, in my opinion. -- John ( talk) 20:42, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
To be honest I think this all a bit of a travesty. Common name states "When there is no single obvious term that is obviously the most frequently used for the topic, as used by a significant majority of reliable English language sources, editors should reach a consensus". Here, reliable English sources use both Ralegh and Raleigh.
Reliable sources. The BBC are proving to be a little vague on the matter, the series from 2005 episode eight had him as Ralegh [9] Many books up until 1900 have him as both,but when reprinting his own works, or as a biography, the tendency seems to be slightly in favour of Ralegh. Most of the books written before 1800 I have seen seem to have him as Ralegh - for example [10]. There is also the fact that he himself used Ralegh, as do several of his contemporary portraits and the seal of office (although that also has "Walteri"). Encyclopaedias, they have more difficulties. The EB - 5 out of the 6 recommend definitive biographies they recommend have him as Ralegh, they list him as Raleigh - still, they are not a British encyclopaedia. And then Malleus has already given the definitive British listing from the ODNB. I would add Argumentum ad populum is not a good enough reason for me.
It is not a matter for me that the modern spelling is Raleigh, it is that we should be correct and reflect the most scholarly works, the man himself probably knew how to spell his name as, it seems, did most of his contemporaries. Out with the birth certificate - on we go. Oh! look ! it's Ralegh! Chaosdruid ( talk) 10:44, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
I find it so insulting that this "Sir" Walter Raleigh fails to talk about the mass genocide HE commited in 1580 in Smerwick, Co. Kerry in Ireland. But then again, just like Oliver Cromwell,. he's gonna to eat my dust. a pioneer and not a mass murderer. I guess somethings will never change, they were only Irish in anyway, so who cares???!!!—Preceding unsigned comment added by Dannyoconnell ( talk • contribs) 01:02, 2 October 2005
Back to the original point: now seems the evidence is that Raleigh was probably not at Smerwick - I don't have a reference for this, but if I'm right then reference to the massacre should not be included.-- Shtove 16:54, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I must agree, but i am to confuse him with another he was possble a closed catholic ? I believe i hear this from pbs in new York. The English have always been murders of the irish and this never going to change, aleast back then. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Irishmonk ( talk • contribs) 8:19, 27 March 2007
The Siege of Smerwick article still cannot back up it's allegations about Spenser & Rayleigh with sourced material so it's been removed, the received wisdom states only that he was there, also the ONDB entry only states he was there at the 'Smerwik Seige' not that he was involved in any so-called 'massacre', subsequently as they are unproven allegations this article has been updated accordingly until verification appears, toodles. Twobells ( talk) 11:38, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
"Hayes Barton" was not "a farmer". Walter Raleigh was born in a very old estate in Devon, known now as Hayes-Barton. It was the ancestral home of the Duke, or Duc, family. It had previously been known as Poer-Hayes, or Power's Hayes...it was said to have been the home of the Poer family prior to intermarriage with the Dukes. The current estate still stands; construction on this current estate probably began in the 15th century.
See images at: http://www.britishexplorers.com/woodbury/hayesba.html
Rwpower ( talk) 05:18, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
plz help me i have the basics but i need more as it hasnt reached the time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.79.183 ( talk) 12:35, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Apparently Raleigh wrote 'Discovery of the Large, Rich, and Beautiful Empire of Guiana' and some poetry, so shouldn't there be a bibliography section? Just a thought. VenomousConcept ( talk) 09:58, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
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Latin tobacco pouch quote should be Comes meus fuit illo miserrimo tempore. See the website of The Wallace Collection which has the pouch.
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About the tobacco pouch: At the Wallace Collection website it's called "Pipe pouch with pipes and tobacco stopper" ... "By tradition Sir Walter Raleigh." The inscription on the pouch is "Comes meus fuit in illo miserrimo tempore"--possibly a reference to Cicero Epistulae ad familiares, XIII.71. "Tempo" in the Wikipedia would have to be an abbreviation for "tempore." See < http://wallacelive.wallacecollection.org/eMuseumPlus?service=ExternalInterface&module=collection&objectId=64809&viewType=detailView> 165.124.76.152 ( talk) 14:47, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
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By the way, if you are going to follow the motto on the Wallace Collection pouch, the word "in" should be inserted after the word "fuit." Also the object is a leather pouch, not a box. 165.124.76.152 ( talk) 15:20, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Done - with
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this correction, because I missed one). If you blow up the Wallace image you can actually make out the "in" on the inscription, confirming the quote. Thanks for pointing this out.
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Removed (by another editor) due to lack of third-party sourcing. Their trustees and associates sure seem notable enough (Sir Derek Jacobi anyone?). Third-party sources enough can certainly be found. The Trust merits its own page, frankly. -- Artaxerxes ( talk) 00:19, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
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In 2011, Walter Raleigh was honoured by the University of Oxford, his alma mater, as one of its 100 most distinguished members from 10 centuries. Other honourees included Duns Scotus, William of Ockham, Erasmus of Rotterdam, Saint Thomas More, John Locke, Christopher Wren, Adam Smith, Lawrence of Arabia, Oscar Wilde, J.R.R. Tolkien and living University members Rupert Murdoch, Bill Clinton, Stephen Hawking and Florian Henckel von Donnersmarck. For the cover of the 2011 Prospectus [1] , Oxford University named 100 streets in Oxford historical centre after these graduates. Plantation Rd. was renamed for Walter Raleigh.
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This should be deleted: During his seventeen years as an Irish landlord, frequently being domiciled at Killua Castle, Clonmellon, county Westmeath. [There is no evidence that Raleigh ever lived there beside a claim made in the early 19th century by the landowner. Whoever added this to the essay is either joking or someone associated with this property distant from Raleigh's estates. I have been studying Raleigh for 10 years and am a professional historian writing a book about him and thus have culled the sources. Also, Lismore was not a coastal town, nor did he receive it in his grant from the crown. This was a later lease he received from the Bishop of Lismore. Also, he took part in the suppression of the Second Desmond Rebellion, not the Desmond Rebellions. Also, Spenser was not an acquaintance, he was a friend. Much of the rest of this essay is terrible and if I have time I will rewrite it one day. Algallay ( talk) 17:12, 18 July 2013 (UTC)Alan Gallay, Lyndon Johnson Chair of History, Texas Christian University, Fort Worth, Texas Algallay ( talk) 17:12, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
This section is poorly written. I don't have time to deal with it, but hopefully someone will take it upon himself to improve this singular low point in the otherwise good quality of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.239.155.208 ( talk • contribs) 21:00, 7 September 2005
I agree..there is a lot of new information regarding the Roanoke colony [ http://lost-colony.com ] I am in the process of researching the history in order to edit some of the articles regarding eastern Carolina history..when I have more information I`ll come back and try to improve this part too. Lonepilgrim007 ( talk) 16:40, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
Is it correct to describe him in the introduction as, among other things, an "aristocrat"? It appears from the biographical narrative he was the son of farmers, who evolved to landowning through his campaigns and land grants (as well buccaneering). He did not appear to have nobility (peers generally) among his existing relatives, nor was he ennobled himself. Cloptonson ( talk) 22:00, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
Shtove ( talk) 22:04, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
See 'Old Blackwall', Survey of London: volumes 43 and 44: Poplar, Blackwall and Isle of Dogs (1994) ( link) for discussion of the photograph of a house in Blackwall on this page.
Footnote b tells us that "An article written in 1856 stated that the house was built of strongly framed timber, which had been plastered over in recent years".
Plate 93b is clearly the photograph used in this article, albeit dated as 1890. I suspect the 1873 date is correct; perhaps "circa 1890" was an educated guess based on the start of construction work on the Blackwall Tunnel in 1892. According to the Survey of London, it does not appear that the house really belonged to Raleigh. Should the photo really feature in this article? Perhaps there is sufficient material for a new article on the house itself. TheGrappler ( talk) 13:38, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
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Moved "The city of Raleigh, North Carolina takes its name from Sir Walter." to bottom as it was at end of first para.
Alf 01:47, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Why was he givin a charter? — Preceding
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As a famous historical figure who's referenced in a plethora of popular culture outlets, would it be appropriate to have a section for Raleigh as represented in other mediums (other than history books)? Clive Owen has played him in movies, and the Beatles' complained about him, so maybe a segment on this is in order? Dunno if wikipedia has guidelines for when an "In Popular Culture" section is in order, but I feel it'd be appropriate here. It's late and it's Christmas, so I didn't bother to check. If your response is ire for not checking, save it. It will have absolutely no effect on me. But if somebody thinks similarly, let me know and I'll do the legwork. Bblakeney ( talk) 08:49, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Lying scum! Christmas on the 26th? Scum! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.21.189.209 ( talk) 16:39, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Jimmy Buffett refers to Captain Walter (staring at the stars) in a song called "We learned to be cool from you" a reference it seems to his coolness when being executed. The song is on his Buffet Hotel album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.106.182.239 ( talk) 21:21, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
The Beatles described WR as a "stupid get" (their dialect), not "stupid git". This is discussed in Talk for The Beatles (album), which cites the website for I'm So Tired. I'll link this article to that website. Wikiain ( talk) 23:15, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
I was a little surprised in stumbling across this article to see the dropped-his-cloak-for-Elizabeth-to-avoid-puddle story not mentioned at all, even if it's been debunked. It's so widely associated with him that it probably deserves its own section. I'm not qualified to write on the veracity of it but if someone would do a paragraph on it I'd argue it should be included. Old64mb 14:08, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Just added a very good high resolution painting with wonderful details if enlarged. This could make it possible to nominate Sir Walter Raleigh for featured picture. Please don't remove it, it has to be used to have a chance. Hafspajen ( talk) 10:59, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
The list in alpha-order of Ralegh poems is surely spurious. It is all sourced from one document (currently #44 on the citation list), a pdf on PoemHunter entitled "Sir Walter Raleigh: Poems", which I've just read. http://www.poemhunter.com/i/ebooks/pdf/sir_walter_raleigh_2004_9.pdf True, the poem on p 7 represented as "Her Reply" seems to be the (genuine) Ralegh poem most people know as "The Nymph's Reply to the Shepherd". But scroll down to "Song of Myself" on p. 17 of the document, which begins "I was a Poet!/ But I did not know it,/Neither did my Mother/Nor my Sister nor my Brother./ ... /Aunt Sue/Said it was obviously untrue./Uncle Ned/Said I was off my head./(This from a Colonial/Was really a good testimonial.)" Please, someone, put the correct information here. [Edit: I see I'm not currently in a position to do the research that would provide the requisite support for my challenge to this wiki's current "scholarship" on the canon of Ralegh's verse. I do, however, feel compelled to call a fraud when I see one. ( Missviscous ( talk) 10:13, 30 May 2015 (UTC))]
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My saviour! I know my wiki manners are abrupt, but I joined solely out of passion to correct this error -- these are my first posts 108.172.172.185 ( talk) 19:54, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
Two suggestions about the inscription on the seal of office: 1. For "PROPRIA" prefer "personal" to "private" - the inscription lists his public offices at the time.
2. Explain the very odd "TNSIHNIA". It can't be an error: no sane engraver could have made so great a bungle and, if he had, Ralegh would not have accepted it. So it must be deliberate and, then, why? I'll make a guess, hoping that someone can source this as correct or not. Another seal of office (right) said "SIGILL[A]", the ordinary word for a seal (and BTW he is "Ralegh" there too). So we may have "TNSIHNIA" instead of "SIGILL[A]" - yet it looks more like "INSIGNIA", ordinarily a badge or emblem. Thus it looks doubly wrong - or maybe only singly wrong if in Ralegh's day "INSIGNIA" was sometimes used on seals. Yet it is not wrong in a way that really stands out. Exactly, I suggest: this was a mass-produced version of the real seal; had it been identical to the real seal, every purchaser of it could have faked documents in Ralegh's name. The difference had to be evident to inspection, yet not stand out to a glance so that the facsimile would not be worth having. Wikiain ( talk) 01:06, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
"...though in practice "rally" is the usual modern pronunciation." Comment? I daren't. -- Wetman 03:18, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm skeptical that "rally" could be called the "usual" pronunciation; in fact, I don't think I've ever heard the name pronounced "rally". It's always been pronounced "rawley" in my experience. This probably needs some evidence if it's going to stay in. Gomer Bolstrood 02:28, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
I've heard the name 'Raleigh' being pronounced the same as 'rally', over here in Ireland. Mushed 21:26, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
I've always heard it being pronounced 'raa (rhyming with car) lee'.-- Jcvamp 23:48, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
And what's going on with that phonetic transcription? It says his name sounds like "wah-tuh rah-lie" (silent L in Walter), which I've certainly never heard, and the note doesn't even acknowledge the "rawly" pronunciation (just the spelling) which is often said to be correct and is apparently standard in the US even though less common than "rally" in the UK. Can anyone shed any light? Flapdragon ( talk) 16:54, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
I've just added to external links britishexplorers.com "Sir Walter Raleigh", where the proper pronunciation is stated to be "raw lie". That is what I remember being told many years ago by the guide on a tour of Hayes Barton. The statement is not sourced, so I've written to the contact and will report any reply. -- Wikiain ( talk) 00:18, 10 December 2011 (UTC) But I never got a reply. Wikiain ( talk) 01:22, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
If a complete citation would have been made in the first footnote, you would read:
Ralegh himself had not kept the same spelling throughout his life. Down to 1583 his more usual signature had been the phonetic Rauley. But in 1578 he signed as Rawleyghe a deed which his father signed as Ralegh, and his brother Carew as Rawlygh. A letter of March 17, 1583, is the first he is known to have signed as Ralegh; and in the following April and May he reverted to the signature Rauley. From June 9, 1584, he used till his death no other signature than Ralegh. It appears in his books when the name is mentioned. It is used in a pedigree drawn up for him in 1601. Of the hundred and sixty-nine letters collected by Mr. Edward Edwards, a hundred and thirty-five are thus signed. Six signed Rauley, one Raleghe, and one Rauleigh, belong to an earlier date. The rest are either unsigned or initialled. The reason of his adoption of the spelling Ralegh from 1584, unless that it was his dead father's, is unknown. Of the fact there is no doubt. The spelling Raleigh, which posterity has preferred, happens to be one he is not known to have ever employed. Stebbing, Sir Walter Ralegh, Oxford 1899 [11]
So, I'll adapt/move the article after a discussion period. -- Ayacop ( talk) 08:00, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I have no knowledge of the correct way to spell his name, but the article should be consistent. The "Legacy" section and only that section still says "Ralegh," unlike the rest of the article and the title. IAmNitpicking ( talk) 13:51, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
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Please change Raleigh received 40,000 acres (16,000 ha) upon the seizure and distribution of land following the attainders arising from the rebellion, including the coastal walled towns of Youghal and Lismore.
to Raleigh received 40,000 acres (16,000 ha) upon the seizure and distribution of land following the attainders arising from the rebellion, including the coastal walled town of Youghal, Co Cork, and Lismore in Co. Waterford. Jtcurragh ( talk) 21:52, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
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In the legacy section the Beatles song, I'm so tired, should be mentioned. There is a lyric where John says " And Curse Sir Walter Raleigh, He was such a stupid git!" I feel that is an important reference. Jamesacarter43 ( talk) 23:02, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
* [[Sir Walter]], a race horse should be a WP:Hatnote rather than aSee also, but I don't know how to do that, especially midnight locally.-- Dthomsen8 ( talk) 03:51, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Sir Walter Raleigh was born on 1552 in Devonshire,England and went to collage at Oriel Collage,Oxford and died on 29th of october 1618 (age 66) London,England — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.165.177.20 ( talk) 23:43, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
The Wikipedia page states itself that the man himself preferred Ralegh. I've changed all Raleigh's to Ralegh [1] Fitzwimarc ( talk) 20:55, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move (bordering on a consensus not to move). The "Sir" is commonly found in sources, but the name is also sometimes found in sources without it, and the honorific does not appear necessary for recognizability and would make the title less concise. There is clearly more opposition than support in the discussion – roughly a 2:1 ratio. Given the general lack of support, continuing the discussion doesn't seem necessary. In the absence of a consensus to do otherwise, we should keep the title as it has been ever since the article was created in 2001 (except for 12 minutes in 2011). ( non-admin closure) — BarrelProof ( talk) 00:47, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
Walter Raleigh → Sir Walter Raleigh – Per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:HONORIFIC:
"Where an honorific is so commonly attached to a name that the name is rarely found in English reliable sources without it, it should be included. For example, the honorific may be included for Mother Teresa."
The ngram data confirms that the Sir honorific "is so commonly attached to" the name Walter Raleigh "that the name is rarely found in English reliable sources without it", therefore "it should be included". В²C ☎ 00:40, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
that best meets the criteria set out in the policy on article titles. Hence this proposal and its basis on WP:COMMONNAME (part of WP:AT), and not "common name". -- В²C ☎ 23:49, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
The work is mentioned twice. The second time is just a repeat of the first. Ciao -- Pentaclebreaker ( talk) 09:13, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
The sentence "he helped defend England during the Spanish Armada" makes absolutely no sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.114.205.206 ( talk) 15:32, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
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Raleigh is hardly known for being a spy, regardless of how one views the charges of treason; fixed the opening sentence. A bit more detail about his fallout with Robert Cecil, and political background to the charges, is called for. Another few sentences about Essex and the treasonous plots, should also be added. +sj + 04:43, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
My evidence professor lead me to believe that Sir Walter Raleigh's death prompted the hearsay rule on evidence, which essentially states that an out of court witness' statements can't be introduced for the truth of the matter asserted in court (so, I can't testify that "Bill told me that Sir Walter Raleigh intended to kill the king"). The rule is very relevant for modern court proceedings, and had it been present most likely Raleigh wouldn't have been executed (think it was unsubstantiated rumor that was alleged against him). I'd add it in directly, but I don't have anything besides a foggy recollection to substantiate the claim. Any help? Jahenderson 19:15, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
We had a nice article through to the 25th of February; then 86.130.50.48 and 87.126.28.171 deleted everything without explanation.
WB2 07:10, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
The introduction should be more than a few sentences on the man's name. At least add a small summary of his life and his achievements to the introduction. HoCkEy PUCK 16:44, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone know why the Raleigh Bicycle company named itself after Sir Walter Raleigh? His image was used for many years in Raleigh ads and catalogs. -- Amir ( 147.234.2.2 11:26, 29 October 2006 (UTC))
Elsewhere on the internet Raleigh's last words are said to be "So the heart be right, it is no matter which way the head lieth" or something along those lines - sources found http://www.bartleby.com/268/3/6.html and http://www.corsinet.com/braincandy/dying2.html. Clarify please -- Kevin ( 86.130.146.82 17:09, 7 June 2006 (UTC))
How is it that this article has gone this long without mentions of these details? — Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 15:11, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
There is an error--junk--in the New World Section —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ccarroll ( talk • contribs) 10:25, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Is Sao Tome of Sao Tome and Principe the place intended in the first paragraph of this article? Arthurian Legend ( talk) 04:15, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
It seems that many of the events described in the lead are not mentioned again later in the article, although they probably should be. -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:12, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Please contact me as to the correct way to edit a Wikipedia article, as this is my first attempt at doing this.
I understand that this is not a forum for argument or point of view, but rather one of providing information. My intention is only to provide additional details which one might find useful in their quest for history.
OLD TEXT In 1587, Raleigh attempted a second expedition again establishing a settlement on Roanoke Island. This time, a more diversified group of settlers was sent, including some entire families, under the governance of John White. After a short while in America, White was recalled to England in order to find more supplies for the colony. He was unable to return the following year as planned, however, because the Queen had ordered that all vessels remain at port in case they were needed to fight the Spanish Armada. It was not until 1591 that the supply vessel arrived at the colony, 4 years later, only to find that all colonists had disappeared. The only clue to their fate was the word "CROATOAN" and letters "CRO" carved into separate tree trunks, suggesting the possibility that they were either massacred, absorbed or taken away by Croatans or perhaps another native tribe. Other speculation includes their being swept away or lost at sea during the stormy weather of 1588 (credited with aiding in the defeat of the Spanish Armada). However, it is worth noting that a hurricane prevented John White and the crew of the supply vessel from actually visiting Croatoan to investigate the disappearance, and no further attempts at contact were recorded for some years. Whatever the fate of the settlers, the settlement is now remembered as the "Lost Colony of Roanoke Island".
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In 1587, Raleigh attempted a second expedition again establishing a settlement on Roanoke Island. This time, a more diversified group of settlers was sent, including some entire families, under the governance of John White. After a short while in America, White was recalled to England in order to find more supplies for the colony. He was unable to return the following year as planned, however, because the Queen had ordered that all vessels remain at port in case they were needed to fight the Spanish Armada. However, the threat of the Armada was only partially responsible for the 4 year delay of the second expedition. After England's victory over the Spanish fleet in 1588 the ships were given permission to sail. Unfortunately for the colonists at Roanoke the small fleet made an excursion towards Cuba in an attempt to capture as prizes the treasure laden Spanish merchant ships that were reported to be proliferate in those waters at that time. White is said to have objected to this unplanned foray, but was helpless to dissuade the crews who'd been told of the enormous riches to be had by the experienced (he had previously piloted in the Americas in the service of the Spanish), Portuguese pilot hired by Raleigh to navigate the voyage. It was not until 1591 that the supply vessel arrived at the colony, 4 years later, only to find that all colonists had disappeared. The only clue to their fate was the word "CROATOAN" and letters "CRO" carved into separate tree trunks, suggesting the possibility that they were either massacred, absorbed or taken away by Croatans or perhaps another native tribe. Other speculation includes their being swept away or lost at sea during the stormy weather of 1588 (credited with aiding in the defeat of the Spanish Armada). However, it is worth noting that a hurricane prevented John White and the crew of the supply vessel from actually visiting Croatoan to investigate the disappearance, and no further attempts at contact were recorded for some years. Whatever the fate of the settlers, the settlement is now remembered as the "Lost Colony of Roanoke Island". -- Ottooflondon ( talk) 05:47, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Was it Whitehall or the Tower of London? The article claims both, and neither claim has a citation. Dwsnyder00 ( talk) 02:08, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
His head is buried underneath the Organ in the church (St.Mary's)in West Horsley, Surrey (his wife lived opposite). So although his body is in St.Pauls his head isn't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.235.13.179 ( talk) 09:22, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
There seems to be a discrepancy in the section on "Later Life" - at one point it says that Raleigh's son Wat survived his parents, but later it appears that Wat was killed during Raleigh's lifetime. Could someone (who knows more about it than I do) fix this, please? -- Jon Rob 14:04, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
In the reference to "Her Reply" (His answer to the Marlowe poem) there appear to be two mistakes. First, it says the rhyme scheme is a-a-a-b-b, as each stanza has only 4 lines, there should only be 2 a's and 2 b's. Second, it says he wrote the reply 4 years later, but gives the same year for each of the two poems. -- James Flanagan ( 99.244.36.61 22:27, 24 March 2009 (UTC))
I'm studying the Spenser Raleigh connection and everything I've read (three different texts, mind you) cite his imprisonment as 1592 (likely July). Any comment? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.86.126.18 ( talk) 17:53, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Someone has changed Walter Raleigh's Year of Birth to 1552. Many authorities are unsure of Raleigh's exact birth date, but most say 1554 is most likely. I have not reverted the Year of Birth. Is there a more authoritative answer? Nick Taylor 15:19, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
"In 1592, Raleigh was given many rewards by the Queen, including Durham House in the Strand and the estate of Sherborne, Dorset. He was appointed Captain of the Yeomen of the Guard, and as Lord Warden of the Stannaries of Devon and Cornwall(<<!The latter is listed above as happening in 1585>>). However, he had not been given any of the great offices of state. In the Armada year of 1588, Raleigh was appointed Vice Admiral of Devon, looking after the coastal defences and military levies." There is something wrong with the chronology here and the 'concealed comment'.-- Felix Folio Secundus ( talk) 11:51, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
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There's a common myth that Walter Raleigh introduced the potato to Britain. Though there is little evidence to support the idea, I think it would be worth mentioning.-- Jcvamp 23:52, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
...why Sir Walter Raleigh was such a stupid git? Glandrid ( talk) 20:43, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Just listened to this song, which was the point of this googling. Which brings me to my next point... Bblakeney ( talk) 08:49, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
In case you're still wondering, Bblakeney, it's apparently because Raleigh introduced tobacco to the Western world. If you notice, right before he says it, he says he'll have another cigarette. I wholeheartedly agree with Lennon, he was a stupid git. Glandrid ( talk) 08:33, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
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Add this line to the bibliography:
Death of the Fox (1971), by George Garrett, is a historical novel which subtly and accurately communicates Raleigh's personality, times and complex circumstances.
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Not done:Bibliographies should include only nonfiction sources about the subject; as a novel, it can't qualify. If that book is particularly notable, a sentence about it could go into the Legacy section (alongside the other pop-culture references). I'll leave that for editors more experienced in Raleigh-ism to decide.
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I think there's a problem with the following: Royal favour with Queen Elizabeth I had been restored by this time but did not last. Elizabeth died in 1603, and Raleigh was arrested at Exeter Inn, Ashburton, Devon and imprisoned in the Tower of London on 19 July.
Although Queen Elizabeth is mentioned in the previous sentence, because Raleigh's wife was also named Elizabeth, there's some ambiguity in the phrase "Elizabeth died". Perhaps better to say "The Queen died".
Thanks! esserte 00:59, 14 December 2010 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Esserte ( talk • contribs)
I see no consensus for this article using the spelling "Raleigh" and I am persuaded by the ODNB's use of "Ralegh" that that should also be the usage here, with a redirect from "Raleigh". Malleus Fatuorum 22:21, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Not so. In the middle of an edit-war, it behoves conscientious editors to realise that there is a contentious issue, and accordingly, despite WP:BRD, realise that there is an issue open for constructive discussion. The article was stable in one version for a lengthy time, and a major change of name to one that is not consonant with WP:COMMONNAME surely invites discussion. I'd say that if the name of the article mattered that much to you, since you have "been watching and editing this article for years", you would have changed it yourself before now. As it happens, you didn't do that, so I can only assume that you were happy with the way it was. I would have "batted an eyelid", although I assume you would have not made such a major change in the middle of an edit-war and preferred to bring the issue here for discussion. Rodhull andemu 01:02, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Enough of that and back to the discussion. Is there consensus for any name? Elen of the Roads ( talk) 16:22, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
There seems to be a tension between COMMONNAME and following modern high quality sources. Both are strong arguments but seemingly on this issue pull us in different directions. Neither spelling would make us look stupid, and this dispute is not worth anybody getting upset over, in my opinion. -- John ( talk) 20:42, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
To be honest I think this all a bit of a travesty. Common name states "When there is no single obvious term that is obviously the most frequently used for the topic, as used by a significant majority of reliable English language sources, editors should reach a consensus". Here, reliable English sources use both Ralegh and Raleigh.
Reliable sources. The BBC are proving to be a little vague on the matter, the series from 2005 episode eight had him as Ralegh [9] Many books up until 1900 have him as both,but when reprinting his own works, or as a biography, the tendency seems to be slightly in favour of Ralegh. Most of the books written before 1800 I have seen seem to have him as Ralegh - for example [10]. There is also the fact that he himself used Ralegh, as do several of his contemporary portraits and the seal of office (although that also has "Walteri"). Encyclopaedias, they have more difficulties. The EB - 5 out of the 6 recommend definitive biographies they recommend have him as Ralegh, they list him as Raleigh - still, they are not a British encyclopaedia. And then Malleus has already given the definitive British listing from the ODNB. I would add Argumentum ad populum is not a good enough reason for me.
It is not a matter for me that the modern spelling is Raleigh, it is that we should be correct and reflect the most scholarly works, the man himself probably knew how to spell his name as, it seems, did most of his contemporaries. Out with the birth certificate - on we go. Oh! look ! it's Ralegh! Chaosdruid ( talk) 10:44, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
I find it so insulting that this "Sir" Walter Raleigh fails to talk about the mass genocide HE commited in 1580 in Smerwick, Co. Kerry in Ireland. But then again, just like Oliver Cromwell,. he's gonna to eat my dust. a pioneer and not a mass murderer. I guess somethings will never change, they were only Irish in anyway, so who cares???!!!—Preceding unsigned comment added by Dannyoconnell ( talk • contribs) 01:02, 2 October 2005
Back to the original point: now seems the evidence is that Raleigh was probably not at Smerwick - I don't have a reference for this, but if I'm right then reference to the massacre should not be included.-- Shtove 16:54, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I must agree, but i am to confuse him with another he was possble a closed catholic ? I believe i hear this from pbs in new York. The English have always been murders of the irish and this never going to change, aleast back then. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Irishmonk ( talk • contribs) 8:19, 27 March 2007
The Siege of Smerwick article still cannot back up it's allegations about Spenser & Rayleigh with sourced material so it's been removed, the received wisdom states only that he was there, also the ONDB entry only states he was there at the 'Smerwik Seige' not that he was involved in any so-called 'massacre', subsequently as they are unproven allegations this article has been updated accordingly until verification appears, toodles. Twobells ( talk) 11:38, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
"Hayes Barton" was not "a farmer". Walter Raleigh was born in a very old estate in Devon, known now as Hayes-Barton. It was the ancestral home of the Duke, or Duc, family. It had previously been known as Poer-Hayes, or Power's Hayes...it was said to have been the home of the Poer family prior to intermarriage with the Dukes. The current estate still stands; construction on this current estate probably began in the 15th century.
See images at: http://www.britishexplorers.com/woodbury/hayesba.html
Rwpower ( talk) 05:18, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
plz help me i have the basics but i need more as it hasnt reached the time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.79.183 ( talk) 12:35, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Apparently Raleigh wrote 'Discovery of the Large, Rich, and Beautiful Empire of Guiana' and some poetry, so shouldn't there be a bibliography section? Just a thought. VenomousConcept ( talk) 09:58, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
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Latin tobacco pouch quote should be Comes meus fuit illo miserrimo tempore. See the website of The Wallace Collection which has the pouch.
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About the tobacco pouch: At the Wallace Collection website it's called "Pipe pouch with pipes and tobacco stopper" ... "By tradition Sir Walter Raleigh." The inscription on the pouch is "Comes meus fuit in illo miserrimo tempore"--possibly a reference to Cicero Epistulae ad familiares, XIII.71. "Tempo" in the Wikipedia would have to be an abbreviation for "tempore." See < http://wallacelive.wallacecollection.org/eMuseumPlus?service=ExternalInterface&module=collection&objectId=64809&viewType=detailView> 165.124.76.152 ( talk) 14:47, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
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By the way, if you are going to follow the motto on the Wallace Collection pouch, the word "in" should be inserted after the word "fuit." Also the object is a leather pouch, not a box. 165.124.76.152 ( talk) 15:20, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
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this correction, because I missed one). If you blow up the Wallace image you can actually make out the "in" on the inscription, confirming the quote. Thanks for pointing this out.
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Removed (by another editor) due to lack of third-party sourcing. Their trustees and associates sure seem notable enough (Sir Derek Jacobi anyone?). Third-party sources enough can certainly be found. The Trust merits its own page, frankly. -- Artaxerxes ( talk) 00:19, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
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In 2011, Walter Raleigh was honoured by the University of Oxford, his alma mater, as one of its 100 most distinguished members from 10 centuries. Other honourees included Duns Scotus, William of Ockham, Erasmus of Rotterdam, Saint Thomas More, John Locke, Christopher Wren, Adam Smith, Lawrence of Arabia, Oscar Wilde, J.R.R. Tolkien and living University members Rupert Murdoch, Bill Clinton, Stephen Hawking and Florian Henckel von Donnersmarck. For the cover of the 2011 Prospectus [1] , Oxford University named 100 streets in Oxford historical centre after these graduates. Plantation Rd. was renamed for Walter Raleigh.
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This should be deleted: During his seventeen years as an Irish landlord, frequently being domiciled at Killua Castle, Clonmellon, county Westmeath. [There is no evidence that Raleigh ever lived there beside a claim made in the early 19th century by the landowner. Whoever added this to the essay is either joking or someone associated with this property distant from Raleigh's estates. I have been studying Raleigh for 10 years and am a professional historian writing a book about him and thus have culled the sources. Also, Lismore was not a coastal town, nor did he receive it in his grant from the crown. This was a later lease he received from the Bishop of Lismore. Also, he took part in the suppression of the Second Desmond Rebellion, not the Desmond Rebellions. Also, Spenser was not an acquaintance, he was a friend. Much of the rest of this essay is terrible and if I have time I will rewrite it one day. Algallay ( talk) 17:12, 18 July 2013 (UTC)Alan Gallay, Lyndon Johnson Chair of History, Texas Christian University, Fort Worth, Texas Algallay ( talk) 17:12, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
This section is poorly written. I don't have time to deal with it, but hopefully someone will take it upon himself to improve this singular low point in the otherwise good quality of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.239.155.208 ( talk • contribs) 21:00, 7 September 2005
I agree..there is a lot of new information regarding the Roanoke colony [ http://lost-colony.com ] I am in the process of researching the history in order to edit some of the articles regarding eastern Carolina history..when I have more information I`ll come back and try to improve this part too. Lonepilgrim007 ( talk) 16:40, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
Is it correct to describe him in the introduction as, among other things, an "aristocrat"? It appears from the biographical narrative he was the son of farmers, who evolved to landowning through his campaigns and land grants (as well buccaneering). He did not appear to have nobility (peers generally) among his existing relatives, nor was he ennobled himself. Cloptonson ( talk) 22:00, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
Shtove ( talk) 22:04, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
See 'Old Blackwall', Survey of London: volumes 43 and 44: Poplar, Blackwall and Isle of Dogs (1994) ( link) for discussion of the photograph of a house in Blackwall on this page.
Footnote b tells us that "An article written in 1856 stated that the house was built of strongly framed timber, which had been plastered over in recent years".
Plate 93b is clearly the photograph used in this article, albeit dated as 1890. I suspect the 1873 date is correct; perhaps "circa 1890" was an educated guess based on the start of construction work on the Blackwall Tunnel in 1892. According to the Survey of London, it does not appear that the house really belonged to Raleigh. Should the photo really feature in this article? Perhaps there is sufficient material for a new article on the house itself. TheGrappler ( talk) 13:38, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
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Moved "The city of Raleigh, North Carolina takes its name from Sir Walter." to bottom as it was at end of first para.
Alf 01:47, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Why was he givin a charter? — Preceding
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As a famous historical figure who's referenced in a plethora of popular culture outlets, would it be appropriate to have a section for Raleigh as represented in other mediums (other than history books)? Clive Owen has played him in movies, and the Beatles' complained about him, so maybe a segment on this is in order? Dunno if wikipedia has guidelines for when an "In Popular Culture" section is in order, but I feel it'd be appropriate here. It's late and it's Christmas, so I didn't bother to check. If your response is ire for not checking, save it. It will have absolutely no effect on me. But if somebody thinks similarly, let me know and I'll do the legwork. Bblakeney ( talk) 08:49, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Lying scum! Christmas on the 26th? Scum! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.21.189.209 ( talk) 16:39, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Jimmy Buffett refers to Captain Walter (staring at the stars) in a song called "We learned to be cool from you" a reference it seems to his coolness when being executed. The song is on his Buffet Hotel album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.106.182.239 ( talk) 21:21, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
The Beatles described WR as a "stupid get" (their dialect), not "stupid git". This is discussed in Talk for The Beatles (album), which cites the website for I'm So Tired. I'll link this article to that website. Wikiain ( talk) 23:15, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
I was a little surprised in stumbling across this article to see the dropped-his-cloak-for-Elizabeth-to-avoid-puddle story not mentioned at all, even if it's been debunked. It's so widely associated with him that it probably deserves its own section. I'm not qualified to write on the veracity of it but if someone would do a paragraph on it I'd argue it should be included. Old64mb 14:08, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Just added a very good high resolution painting with wonderful details if enlarged. This could make it possible to nominate Sir Walter Raleigh for featured picture. Please don't remove it, it has to be used to have a chance. Hafspajen ( talk) 10:59, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
The list in alpha-order of Ralegh poems is surely spurious. It is all sourced from one document (currently #44 on the citation list), a pdf on PoemHunter entitled "Sir Walter Raleigh: Poems", which I've just read. http://www.poemhunter.com/i/ebooks/pdf/sir_walter_raleigh_2004_9.pdf True, the poem on p 7 represented as "Her Reply" seems to be the (genuine) Ralegh poem most people know as "The Nymph's Reply to the Shepherd". But scroll down to "Song of Myself" on p. 17 of the document, which begins "I was a Poet!/ But I did not know it,/Neither did my Mother/Nor my Sister nor my Brother./ ... /Aunt Sue/Said it was obviously untrue./Uncle Ned/Said I was off my head./(This from a Colonial/Was really a good testimonial.)" Please, someone, put the correct information here. [Edit: I see I'm not currently in a position to do the research that would provide the requisite support for my challenge to this wiki's current "scholarship" on the canon of Ralegh's verse. I do, however, feel compelled to call a fraud when I see one. ( Missviscous ( talk) 10:13, 30 May 2015 (UTC))]
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My saviour! I know my wiki manners are abrupt, but I joined solely out of passion to correct this error -- these are my first posts 108.172.172.185 ( talk) 19:54, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
Two suggestions about the inscription on the seal of office: 1. For "PROPRIA" prefer "personal" to "private" - the inscription lists his public offices at the time.
2. Explain the very odd "TNSIHNIA". It can't be an error: no sane engraver could have made so great a bungle and, if he had, Ralegh would not have accepted it. So it must be deliberate and, then, why? I'll make a guess, hoping that someone can source this as correct or not. Another seal of office (right) said "SIGILL[A]", the ordinary word for a seal (and BTW he is "Ralegh" there too). So we may have "TNSIHNIA" instead of "SIGILL[A]" - yet it looks more like "INSIGNIA", ordinarily a badge or emblem. Thus it looks doubly wrong - or maybe only singly wrong if in Ralegh's day "INSIGNIA" was sometimes used on seals. Yet it is not wrong in a way that really stands out. Exactly, I suggest: this was a mass-produced version of the real seal; had it been identical to the real seal, every purchaser of it could have faked documents in Ralegh's name. The difference had to be evident to inspection, yet not stand out to a glance so that the facsimile would not be worth having. Wikiain ( talk) 01:06, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
"...though in practice "rally" is the usual modern pronunciation." Comment? I daren't. -- Wetman 03:18, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm skeptical that "rally" could be called the "usual" pronunciation; in fact, I don't think I've ever heard the name pronounced "rally". It's always been pronounced "rawley" in my experience. This probably needs some evidence if it's going to stay in. Gomer Bolstrood 02:28, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
I've heard the name 'Raleigh' being pronounced the same as 'rally', over here in Ireland. Mushed 21:26, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
I've always heard it being pronounced 'raa (rhyming with car) lee'.-- Jcvamp 23:48, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
And what's going on with that phonetic transcription? It says his name sounds like "wah-tuh rah-lie" (silent L in Walter), which I've certainly never heard, and the note doesn't even acknowledge the "rawly" pronunciation (just the spelling) which is often said to be correct and is apparently standard in the US even though less common than "rally" in the UK. Can anyone shed any light? Flapdragon ( talk) 16:54, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
I've just added to external links britishexplorers.com "Sir Walter Raleigh", where the proper pronunciation is stated to be "raw lie". That is what I remember being told many years ago by the guide on a tour of Hayes Barton. The statement is not sourced, so I've written to the contact and will report any reply. -- Wikiain ( talk) 00:18, 10 December 2011 (UTC) But I never got a reply. Wikiain ( talk) 01:22, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
If a complete citation would have been made in the first footnote, you would read:
Ralegh himself had not kept the same spelling throughout his life. Down to 1583 his more usual signature had been the phonetic Rauley. But in 1578 he signed as Rawleyghe a deed which his father signed as Ralegh, and his brother Carew as Rawlygh. A letter of March 17, 1583, is the first he is known to have signed as Ralegh; and in the following April and May he reverted to the signature Rauley. From June 9, 1584, he used till his death no other signature than Ralegh. It appears in his books when the name is mentioned. It is used in a pedigree drawn up for him in 1601. Of the hundred and sixty-nine letters collected by Mr. Edward Edwards, a hundred and thirty-five are thus signed. Six signed Rauley, one Raleghe, and one Rauleigh, belong to an earlier date. The rest are either unsigned or initialled. The reason of his adoption of the spelling Ralegh from 1584, unless that it was his dead father's, is unknown. Of the fact there is no doubt. The spelling Raleigh, which posterity has preferred, happens to be one he is not known to have ever employed. Stebbing, Sir Walter Ralegh, Oxford 1899 [11]
So, I'll adapt/move the article after a discussion period. -- Ayacop ( talk) 08:00, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I have no knowledge of the correct way to spell his name, but the article should be consistent. The "Legacy" section and only that section still says "Ralegh," unlike the rest of the article and the title. IAmNitpicking ( talk) 13:51, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
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Please change Raleigh received 40,000 acres (16,000 ha) upon the seizure and distribution of land following the attainders arising from the rebellion, including the coastal walled towns of Youghal and Lismore.
to Raleigh received 40,000 acres (16,000 ha) upon the seizure and distribution of land following the attainders arising from the rebellion, including the coastal walled town of Youghal, Co Cork, and Lismore in Co. Waterford. Jtcurragh ( talk) 21:52, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
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In the legacy section the Beatles song, I'm so tired, should be mentioned. There is a lyric where John says " And Curse Sir Walter Raleigh, He was such a stupid git!" I feel that is an important reference. Jamesacarter43 ( talk) 23:02, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
* [[Sir Walter]], a race horse should be a WP:Hatnote rather than aSee also, but I don't know how to do that, especially midnight locally.-- Dthomsen8 ( talk) 03:51, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Sir Walter Raleigh was born on 1552 in Devonshire,England and went to collage at Oriel Collage,Oxford and died on 29th of october 1618 (age 66) London,England — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.165.177.20 ( talk) 23:43, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
The Wikipedia page states itself that the man himself preferred Ralegh. I've changed all Raleigh's to Ralegh [1] Fitzwimarc ( talk) 20:55, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move (bordering on a consensus not to move). The "Sir" is commonly found in sources, but the name is also sometimes found in sources without it, and the honorific does not appear necessary for recognizability and would make the title less concise. There is clearly more opposition than support in the discussion – roughly a 2:1 ratio. Given the general lack of support, continuing the discussion doesn't seem necessary. In the absence of a consensus to do otherwise, we should keep the title as it has been ever since the article was created in 2001 (except for 12 minutes in 2011). ( non-admin closure) — BarrelProof ( talk) 00:47, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
Walter Raleigh → Sir Walter Raleigh – Per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:HONORIFIC:
"Where an honorific is so commonly attached to a name that the name is rarely found in English reliable sources without it, it should be included. For example, the honorific may be included for Mother Teresa."
The ngram data confirms that the Sir honorific "is so commonly attached to" the name Walter Raleigh "that the name is rarely found in English reliable sources without it", therefore "it should be included". В²C ☎ 00:40, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
that best meets the criteria set out in the policy on article titles. Hence this proposal and its basis on WP:COMMONNAME (part of WP:AT), and not "common name". -- В²C ☎ 23:49, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
The work is mentioned twice. The second time is just a repeat of the first. Ciao -- Pentaclebreaker ( talk) 09:13, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
The sentence "he helped defend England during the Spanish Armada" makes absolutely no sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.114.205.206 ( talk) 15:32, 2 March 2022 (UTC)