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Dear Irpen:
It is some time since I began contributing to the Wikipedia and we collaborated together on our Kostomarov piece (before I registered), and I was somewhat surprised to meet you again in Volodymyr Kubiyovych. But here we are. I appreciate your additions to the article. However, I think that you underestimate the limited tactical nature of Kubiyovych's collaboration with the Germans and are in too much of a hurry to write him off as a Nazi, or something like one. Now, I admit that am not an expert on Kubiyovych, or even on the Second World War, but from what I have read of his writings and about him, he seems to have been no fascist. Certainly, his memoirs read very well and he comes across in them as a civilized man. In these memoirs, he compares himself to the Soviet Ukrainian academics who were evacuated to Ufa during the war and, of course, collaborated with Stalin's regime. He implies by this, I think, that they both did what little they could for the Ukrainian people in those terrible days "when evil was most free."
As to the citations on K's moderate position on Ukrainian-Polish relations during the war, and his saving Jews during the war, these come from I. Pidkova and R. Shust, Dovidnyk z istorii Ukrainy, 2nd ed. (K, 2002), article on Kubiyovych, which is available on line and could be linked to this article. But I do not know how to do this and it would be good if someone could do it for me.
Finally, I have again smoothed out the English in the article and tried to "encyclopedize" the language, to use an expression that you once taught me with regard to Kostomarov, and of which, I think, Kubiyovych would approve..
Best wishes... Mike Stoyik 16:40, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Was the stamp referred to in the last paragraph a postage stamp issued by the Ukrainian post office or was it a commemorative issued by some private organization? From the image as it now stands in the article, it does not seem to bear any official sign. Mike Stoyik 16:11, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
This article is currently at start/C class, but could be improved to B-class if it had more (inline) citations. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 21:18, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Consensus to move. ( closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 17:27, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Volodymyr Kubiyovych →
Volodymyr Kubijovyč – Kubijovyč is the Latin-alphabet spelling used by Kubijovyč himself, and that appeared on his English-language works, including the 1963–1971 two-volume
Ukraine: A Concise Encyclopaedia, the 1984–2001 six-volume
Encyclopedia of Ukraine, and at least some other works (e.g., 1963, Western Ukraine Within Poland 1920–1939). It is also common in citations and reviews of his works, and works that mention him, for example, Subtelny (1988),
Ukraine: A History. It corresponds to the
scientific transliteration of the Ukrainian name Володимир Кубійович. This is the correct spelling for the article title, per
WP:COMMONNAME.
The spelling Kubiiovych also appears in some academic and popular-academic works that have transliterated his name from Ukrainian per modified Library of Congress romanization, for example, Magocsi (1996), A History of Ukraine: The Land and its Peoples. This also coincides with the Ukrainian National system of romanization, and would be Wikipedia’s default spelling if no common name were determined, per WP:CYR and WP:UKR.
The spelling Kubiyovych is according to the BGN/PCGN romanization 1965 standard, formerly used for geographical naming, and superseded by the Ukrainian National system.
The spelling Kubiĭovych is according to strict ALA-LC Romanization, and appears in English-language library catalogues and bibliographies.
Google Scholar results (per WP:GOOG, with quotation marks and excluding “Wikipedia”): Kubijovyč 311, Kubiiovych 99, Kubiyovych 69, Kubiĭovych 13. Google Books results, as above with English-language sources only: Kubijovyč 7,820, Kubiiovych 717, Kubiyovych 56, Kubiĭovych 28.
See Romanization of Ukrainian about systems. — Michael Z. 17:27, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Shortly before t he war (1939), Kubijovyč was dismissed from the Jagiellonian University on political grounds. This is covered in this source. - GizzyCatBella 🍁 08:21, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
The article is starting to turn into the story of “Kubijovyč the Nazi collaborator,” with “Nazi Nazi Nazi” creeping into every section and sprouting in the headings. [1] This is not why he’s notable. Is it time to slap an NPOV tag on top of it yet? — Michael Z. 23:29, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
@ Mzajac is this Orest Subtelny in Ukraine: A History ? - GizzyCatBella 🍁 07:51, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
@ Mhorg - this reference you just added. What text did it suppose to support? The JP article is about the street soon to carry his name, not a post stamp.. - GizzyCatBella 🍁 21:08, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
@ Mzajac As soon as Kubijovyč was the founder of Galizien division, why do You think the article doesn’t indicate his membership in the division? Founders of any organization eventually become first members even if they left that organization at some point. Borisenko-ru ( talk) 21:29, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
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Dear Irpen:
It is some time since I began contributing to the Wikipedia and we collaborated together on our Kostomarov piece (before I registered), and I was somewhat surprised to meet you again in Volodymyr Kubiyovych. But here we are. I appreciate your additions to the article. However, I think that you underestimate the limited tactical nature of Kubiyovych's collaboration with the Germans and are in too much of a hurry to write him off as a Nazi, or something like one. Now, I admit that am not an expert on Kubiyovych, or even on the Second World War, but from what I have read of his writings and about him, he seems to have been no fascist. Certainly, his memoirs read very well and he comes across in them as a civilized man. In these memoirs, he compares himself to the Soviet Ukrainian academics who were evacuated to Ufa during the war and, of course, collaborated with Stalin's regime. He implies by this, I think, that they both did what little they could for the Ukrainian people in those terrible days "when evil was most free."
As to the citations on K's moderate position on Ukrainian-Polish relations during the war, and his saving Jews during the war, these come from I. Pidkova and R. Shust, Dovidnyk z istorii Ukrainy, 2nd ed. (K, 2002), article on Kubiyovych, which is available on line and could be linked to this article. But I do not know how to do this and it would be good if someone could do it for me.
Finally, I have again smoothed out the English in the article and tried to "encyclopedize" the language, to use an expression that you once taught me with regard to Kostomarov, and of which, I think, Kubiyovych would approve..
Best wishes... Mike Stoyik 16:40, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Was the stamp referred to in the last paragraph a postage stamp issued by the Ukrainian post office or was it a commemorative issued by some private organization? From the image as it now stands in the article, it does not seem to bear any official sign. Mike Stoyik 16:11, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
This article is currently at start/C class, but could be improved to B-class if it had more (inline) citations. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 21:18, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Consensus to move. ( closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 17:27, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Volodymyr Kubiyovych →
Volodymyr Kubijovyč – Kubijovyč is the Latin-alphabet spelling used by Kubijovyč himself, and that appeared on his English-language works, including the 1963–1971 two-volume
Ukraine: A Concise Encyclopaedia, the 1984–2001 six-volume
Encyclopedia of Ukraine, and at least some other works (e.g., 1963, Western Ukraine Within Poland 1920–1939). It is also common in citations and reviews of his works, and works that mention him, for example, Subtelny (1988),
Ukraine: A History. It corresponds to the
scientific transliteration of the Ukrainian name Володимир Кубійович. This is the correct spelling for the article title, per
WP:COMMONNAME.
The spelling Kubiiovych also appears in some academic and popular-academic works that have transliterated his name from Ukrainian per modified Library of Congress romanization, for example, Magocsi (1996), A History of Ukraine: The Land and its Peoples. This also coincides with the Ukrainian National system of romanization, and would be Wikipedia’s default spelling if no common name were determined, per WP:CYR and WP:UKR.
The spelling Kubiyovych is according to the BGN/PCGN romanization 1965 standard, formerly used for geographical naming, and superseded by the Ukrainian National system.
The spelling Kubiĭovych is according to strict ALA-LC Romanization, and appears in English-language library catalogues and bibliographies.
Google Scholar results (per WP:GOOG, with quotation marks and excluding “Wikipedia”): Kubijovyč 311, Kubiiovych 99, Kubiyovych 69, Kubiĭovych 13. Google Books results, as above with English-language sources only: Kubijovyč 7,820, Kubiiovych 717, Kubiyovych 56, Kubiĭovych 28.
See Romanization of Ukrainian about systems. — Michael Z. 17:27, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Shortly before t he war (1939), Kubijovyč was dismissed from the Jagiellonian University on political grounds. This is covered in this source. - GizzyCatBella 🍁 08:21, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
The article is starting to turn into the story of “Kubijovyč the Nazi collaborator,” with “Nazi Nazi Nazi” creeping into every section and sprouting in the headings. [1] This is not why he’s notable. Is it time to slap an NPOV tag on top of it yet? — Michael Z. 23:29, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
@ Mzajac is this Orest Subtelny in Ukraine: A History ? - GizzyCatBella 🍁 07:51, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
@ Mhorg - this reference you just added. What text did it suppose to support? The JP article is about the street soon to carry his name, not a post stamp.. - GizzyCatBella 🍁 21:08, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
@ Mzajac As soon as Kubijovyč was the founder of Galizien division, why do You think the article doesn’t indicate his membership in the division? Founders of any organization eventually become first members even if they left that organization at some point. Borisenko-ru ( talk) 21:29, 18 December 2023 (UTC)