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I just reverted Meganfoxx's edit that changed the infobox image from the general logo with the "Villanova University" text to a plain lseal. I actually am in favor of changing it to the seal, it's just that the new image was pretty low quality. Instead, we need to get a full color image of the seal up. I'll see what I can find, but in the meantime I'm reverting it back to the blue logo. nf utvol ( talk) 21:26, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure this article should mention the fight song and the alma mater, but I don't know where you'd find a source or what section it should go in. Wldcat ( talk) 02:00, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
The authors of the Alma Mater are Alan Dubin and Joe Burke, neither of whom apparently went here, but who, from the wikipedia articles on them, seem to have been fairly important in music history. I don't know anything about music history, so if someone who does could figure out how to integrate that into the article, I think that would improve it. Wldcat ( talk) 22:02, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Should we archive this talk page? It's gotten pretty unruly... nf utvol ( talk) 02:40, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
6 months or so ago we were discussing what should be done to move this article up from a B class. We've made a lot of progress, and have gotten through most of the goals that were set. What should be done now to bring it up to GA or A? In addition, I am going to go get pictures of Connelly Center for the Student Life section, as well as Villanova Stadium for the athletics section and the stadium article. nf utvol ( talk) 19:32, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I just added quite a few other things. Looking at some of the other school GA-class articles, I would say that these sections are necessary. — Music Maker 5376 20:59, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Good! We're getting some more good ideas. The game plan should be to maybe get these done over the summer, then get this up for a
peer review, then to
WP:GA.
I would suggest picking something on which you intend to work from the to do list, and sign it with three tildes (producing just your username) so we know who is working on what. —
Music
Maker
5376 17:13, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree that a lot more needs to be added to the academics section. I think we definitely should mention the Core program, because that's sets apart the university, because there's a sort of philosophical debate in the academic world about how much of a core curriculum should be required versus elective. I don't know where you'd find a source for that. Maybe there's some Villanovan article debating the pros and cons of the core curriculum, or some press release after the core was modified, or something along those lines.
The learning communities should be included because they're becoming a bigger and bigger part of campus life, and I don't know to what extent they have them at other universities. Again, I don't know where'd you'd find a source for that (maybe some sort of admissions material), and it might belong in student life or traditions rather than academics.
We should probably mention notable research that the faculty and students have done or are doing. I don't know what that is. If faculty are required to research, that should be mentioned, as well as any other requirements for faculty that exists (I don't know what they are, if there are any). The mission statement of the university says that Augustinians get "appropriate" preference in appointments of faculty. I think that's definitely worth be included, and I'd add it right now, but as the academics section stands, it would be very out of place.
I'm pretty sure I heard when I took a campus tour that all faculty are required to teach. If that's true that should definitely be included- again, it says something about the outlook of the university.
One thing I thought should be discussed for addition would be the Mendel Medal, which they've given to scientists "who have done much by their painstaking work to advance the cause of science, and, by their lives and their standing before the world as scientists, have demonstrated that between true science and true religion there is no intrinsic conflict." I think it's notable because a lot of notable scientists (including Paul Farmer, off the top of my head) have received it (and it is informative about the outlook of the school), but only 2100+ hits turn up for "Mendel Medal" on Google.
I'm kind of just brainstorming for the world here, and I'd like to get others' thoughts on this before going further.
Wldcat (
talk) 21:58, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree with User:ElKevbo and have removed the degree list since Wikipedia is neither an indiscriminate collection of information nor a directory of everything. These degree lists are unwieldy and largely relics of a consensus that is long gone among the university community. Look to any other university GA or FA and you will not see a list of every degree in every program in the main article, if anywhere. Madcoverboy ( talk) 15:03, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
The Villanova homepage now has a section called "Explore the Art of Villanova." You go to www.villanova.edu and it's under "Villanova News". I don't know how long it will last, and I don't know how much of the information is useful, but maybe this could be used to beef up the campus section or to add pictures (I don't know if they're usable under wikipedia's policy, but if you eventually got a free pic, the caption could include info from this site.) Wldcat ( talk) 20:57, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)
DumZiBoT ( talk) 23:55, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Haben wir eine andere deutsche Sprecher? I set up an entry on the German wiki for Villanova, but my abilities are somewhat limited. Any help expanding it a bit more would be appreciated! de:Villanova University
Recently, the Pop culture section was removed, with an edit summary citing WP:TRIVIA as justification. According to WP:TRIVIA#What this guideline is not, removing text is not encouraged nor justified. Rather, WP:TRIVIA#Guidance suggests that questionable text be incorporated into the main body text, as suggested by WP:TRIVIA#Guidance. Therefore, this removal was reverted.
Subsequently, the restoration was reverted, with the text being deleted once again. This time, the edit summary reads "those don't appear to be at notable or based on verifiable sources; please discuss in Talk before restoring the material as those are serious problems".
Hence, this discussion...
Both of the removed topics have sources that are easily checked; I just did that. One's source is the Internet Movie Database (IMDb) and the other is a fan site wiki operated much the same way as Wikipedia. That source can be easily augmented by another IMDb source [1]. There are thousands of Wikipedia articles citing IMDb, which is generally recognized as verifiable. Therefore, these two topics have (or can have) verifiable sources and I suggest that the Pop culture section be restored and, when time allows, its contents be appropriately moved into the main body text, as suggested by WP:TRIVIA.
Since I despise edit wars, I will wait for the Wikimmunity to voice its opinion before taking any action. Thanks. Truthanado ( talk) 00:07, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Following Wikipedia's Inclusionist philosophy, I almost always question removal of cited text, especially when the reason given for the removal is not what the cited Wikipolicy says. In this case, the Wikimmunity has spoken. That's the way it's supposed to work. CASE CLOSED. Truthanado ( talk) 12:11, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
The text describing Villanova's participation in the NAICU and the University and College Accountability Network has been restored. It was removed with the edit comment "University rankings: rm NAICU spam". There is no reason to believe that it is SPAM; the organizations exist, are notable (have Wiki articles) and the NAICU's website confirms that Villanova is a participant. Truthanado ( talk) 23:35, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Over the past several months, some anonymous IP editors have added Kappa Sigma to the list of fraternities. Kappa Sigma has no charter at Villanova, see the Kappa Sigma website; it's not listed there. Each time it has been reverted and will continue to be reverted until and unless someone can provide a verifiable source that clearly defines Kappa Sigma as being a legitimate fraternity at the University. Truthanado ( talk) 02:42, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
A discussion regarding logo removal/inclusion that occurred during a recent edit to this article is ongoing at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Universities#Logo as identifying marks in infoboxes. CrazyPaco ( talk) 20:41, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
"The North American foundation of the order was founded in 1796 when Irish friars arrived in Philadelphia. Michael Hurley was the first American to join the Order the following year. Friars established schools, including universities throughout the Americas, including the only two Augustinian institutions of higher learning in the U.S. Villanova University in Villanova, PA and Merrimack College in North Andover, MA.
High Schools were also founded in the U.S. including: Austin Preparatory School Reading, MA, Malvern Preparatory School Malvern, PA in 1842, St. Rita of Cascia High School in Chicago, IL by 1909, St. Augustine High School San Diego, CA in 1922, Villanova Preparatory School Ojai, CA in 1925; Cascia Hall Preparatory School Tulsa, OK in 1926; Monsignor Bonner High School Pennsylvania in 1953; St. Augustine College Preparatory School New Jersey in 1959 and in 1962 Providence Catholic High School in Illinois. The educational and spiritual traditions of the Order of Saint Augustine (1244 CE) enrich each of the academic communities."
The section on the College Republicans blatantly violates the NPOV policy. It belittles the College Democrats and makes seemingly pompous, unverified claims. Additionally, the section reads like an advertisement. I have posted the NPOV tag to this section. Please make this section comply with the NPOV policy, or it will be removed. -- Tsk070 ( talk) 02:47, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
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I just reverted Meganfoxx's edit that changed the infobox image from the general logo with the "Villanova University" text to a plain lseal. I actually am in favor of changing it to the seal, it's just that the new image was pretty low quality. Instead, we need to get a full color image of the seal up. I'll see what I can find, but in the meantime I'm reverting it back to the blue logo. nf utvol ( talk) 21:26, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure this article should mention the fight song and the alma mater, but I don't know where you'd find a source or what section it should go in. Wldcat ( talk) 02:00, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
The authors of the Alma Mater are Alan Dubin and Joe Burke, neither of whom apparently went here, but who, from the wikipedia articles on them, seem to have been fairly important in music history. I don't know anything about music history, so if someone who does could figure out how to integrate that into the article, I think that would improve it. Wldcat ( talk) 22:02, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Should we archive this talk page? It's gotten pretty unruly... nf utvol ( talk) 02:40, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
6 months or so ago we were discussing what should be done to move this article up from a B class. We've made a lot of progress, and have gotten through most of the goals that were set. What should be done now to bring it up to GA or A? In addition, I am going to go get pictures of Connelly Center for the Student Life section, as well as Villanova Stadium for the athletics section and the stadium article. nf utvol ( talk) 19:32, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I just added quite a few other things. Looking at some of the other school GA-class articles, I would say that these sections are necessary. — Music Maker 5376 20:59, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Good! We're getting some more good ideas. The game plan should be to maybe get these done over the summer, then get this up for a
peer review, then to
WP:GA.
I would suggest picking something on which you intend to work from the to do list, and sign it with three tildes (producing just your username) so we know who is working on what. —
Music
Maker
5376 17:13, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree that a lot more needs to be added to the academics section. I think we definitely should mention the Core program, because that's sets apart the university, because there's a sort of philosophical debate in the academic world about how much of a core curriculum should be required versus elective. I don't know where you'd find a source for that. Maybe there's some Villanovan article debating the pros and cons of the core curriculum, or some press release after the core was modified, or something along those lines.
The learning communities should be included because they're becoming a bigger and bigger part of campus life, and I don't know to what extent they have them at other universities. Again, I don't know where'd you'd find a source for that (maybe some sort of admissions material), and it might belong in student life or traditions rather than academics.
We should probably mention notable research that the faculty and students have done or are doing. I don't know what that is. If faculty are required to research, that should be mentioned, as well as any other requirements for faculty that exists (I don't know what they are, if there are any). The mission statement of the university says that Augustinians get "appropriate" preference in appointments of faculty. I think that's definitely worth be included, and I'd add it right now, but as the academics section stands, it would be very out of place.
I'm pretty sure I heard when I took a campus tour that all faculty are required to teach. If that's true that should definitely be included- again, it says something about the outlook of the university.
One thing I thought should be discussed for addition would be the Mendel Medal, which they've given to scientists "who have done much by their painstaking work to advance the cause of science, and, by their lives and their standing before the world as scientists, have demonstrated that between true science and true religion there is no intrinsic conflict." I think it's notable because a lot of notable scientists (including Paul Farmer, off the top of my head) have received it (and it is informative about the outlook of the school), but only 2100+ hits turn up for "Mendel Medal" on Google.
I'm kind of just brainstorming for the world here, and I'd like to get others' thoughts on this before going further.
Wldcat (
talk) 21:58, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree with User:ElKevbo and have removed the degree list since Wikipedia is neither an indiscriminate collection of information nor a directory of everything. These degree lists are unwieldy and largely relics of a consensus that is long gone among the university community. Look to any other university GA or FA and you will not see a list of every degree in every program in the main article, if anywhere. Madcoverboy ( talk) 15:03, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
The Villanova homepage now has a section called "Explore the Art of Villanova." You go to www.villanova.edu and it's under "Villanova News". I don't know how long it will last, and I don't know how much of the information is useful, but maybe this could be used to beef up the campus section or to add pictures (I don't know if they're usable under wikipedia's policy, but if you eventually got a free pic, the caption could include info from this site.) Wldcat ( talk) 20:57, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)
DumZiBoT ( talk) 23:55, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Haben wir eine andere deutsche Sprecher? I set up an entry on the German wiki for Villanova, but my abilities are somewhat limited. Any help expanding it a bit more would be appreciated! de:Villanova University
Recently, the Pop culture section was removed, with an edit summary citing WP:TRIVIA as justification. According to WP:TRIVIA#What this guideline is not, removing text is not encouraged nor justified. Rather, WP:TRIVIA#Guidance suggests that questionable text be incorporated into the main body text, as suggested by WP:TRIVIA#Guidance. Therefore, this removal was reverted.
Subsequently, the restoration was reverted, with the text being deleted once again. This time, the edit summary reads "those don't appear to be at notable or based on verifiable sources; please discuss in Talk before restoring the material as those are serious problems".
Hence, this discussion...
Both of the removed topics have sources that are easily checked; I just did that. One's source is the Internet Movie Database (IMDb) and the other is a fan site wiki operated much the same way as Wikipedia. That source can be easily augmented by another IMDb source [1]. There are thousands of Wikipedia articles citing IMDb, which is generally recognized as verifiable. Therefore, these two topics have (or can have) verifiable sources and I suggest that the Pop culture section be restored and, when time allows, its contents be appropriately moved into the main body text, as suggested by WP:TRIVIA.
Since I despise edit wars, I will wait for the Wikimmunity to voice its opinion before taking any action. Thanks. Truthanado ( talk) 00:07, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Following Wikipedia's Inclusionist philosophy, I almost always question removal of cited text, especially when the reason given for the removal is not what the cited Wikipolicy says. In this case, the Wikimmunity has spoken. That's the way it's supposed to work. CASE CLOSED. Truthanado ( talk) 12:11, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
The text describing Villanova's participation in the NAICU and the University and College Accountability Network has been restored. It was removed with the edit comment "University rankings: rm NAICU spam". There is no reason to believe that it is SPAM; the organizations exist, are notable (have Wiki articles) and the NAICU's website confirms that Villanova is a participant. Truthanado ( talk) 23:35, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Over the past several months, some anonymous IP editors have added Kappa Sigma to the list of fraternities. Kappa Sigma has no charter at Villanova, see the Kappa Sigma website; it's not listed there. Each time it has been reverted and will continue to be reverted until and unless someone can provide a verifiable source that clearly defines Kappa Sigma as being a legitimate fraternity at the University. Truthanado ( talk) 02:42, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
A discussion regarding logo removal/inclusion that occurred during a recent edit to this article is ongoing at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Universities#Logo as identifying marks in infoboxes. CrazyPaco ( talk) 20:41, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
"The North American foundation of the order was founded in 1796 when Irish friars arrived in Philadelphia. Michael Hurley was the first American to join the Order the following year. Friars established schools, including universities throughout the Americas, including the only two Augustinian institutions of higher learning in the U.S. Villanova University in Villanova, PA and Merrimack College in North Andover, MA.
High Schools were also founded in the U.S. including: Austin Preparatory School Reading, MA, Malvern Preparatory School Malvern, PA in 1842, St. Rita of Cascia High School in Chicago, IL by 1909, St. Augustine High School San Diego, CA in 1922, Villanova Preparatory School Ojai, CA in 1925; Cascia Hall Preparatory School Tulsa, OK in 1926; Monsignor Bonner High School Pennsylvania in 1953; St. Augustine College Preparatory School New Jersey in 1959 and in 1962 Providence Catholic High School in Illinois. The educational and spiritual traditions of the Order of Saint Augustine (1244 CE) enrich each of the academic communities."
The section on the College Republicans blatantly violates the NPOV policy. It belittles the College Democrats and makes seemingly pompous, unverified claims. Additionally, the section reads like an advertisement. I have posted the NPOV tag to this section. Please make this section comply with the NPOV policy, or it will be removed. -- Tsk070 ( talk) 02:47, 9 October 2009 (UTC)