"There are degrees of veganism. A pure vegetarian or dietary vegan is someone who consumes a vegan diet but doesn't lead a vegan lifestyle. Pure vegetarians may use animal products, support the use of animals in research, wear leather clothing, or have no objection to the exploitation of animals for entertainment. They are mostly motivated by personal health concerns rather than by ethical objections. Some may adopt a more vegan lifestyle as they are exposed to vegan philosophy."[1]
"Practitioners of veganism abstain from animal consumption (dietary and non-dietary). However, the culture of veganism iself is not a monolith and is composed of many different subcultures and philosophies throughout the world, ranging from punk strict vegans for animals rights, to people who are dietary vegans for personal health reasons, to people who practice veganism for religious and spiritual reasons."[2]
Associated Press (2011):
"Ethical vegans have a moral aversion to harming animals for human consumption ... though the term often is used to describe people who follow the diet, not the larger philosophy"[3]
"I have been a vegetarian all my adult life, and I am currently a dietary vegan, and I do not wear leather."[5]
Layli Phillips (2010):
"While some vegans, for instance members of the Straight Edge community, demand unswerving commitment to vegan ideals and practices, many people practice some form of partial veganism. For instance, many vegans refrain from eating meat, dairy, and eggs, yet eat honey or wear leather. Other vegans shop vegan and eat vegan at home, but look the other way at a vegetarian restaurant for dishes that use a small amount of butter, cream, or cheese. ... You get the idea: for many people, veganism is a principle, not a law."[6]
^A. Harper Breeze, "Going Beyond the Normative White 'Post-racial' Vegan Epistemology", in Psyche Williams Forson and Carole Counihan (eds.), Taking Food Public: Redefining Foodways in a Changing World, New York: Routledge, 2011, 158.
^Gary L. Francione, "The Abolition of Animal Exploitation" in
Gary L. Francione and Robert Garner, The Animal Rights Debate: Abolition Or Regulation?, Columbia University Press, 2010,
62.
^"A Discussion between Francione and Gardner", in Francione and Garner 2010,
257.
^Layli Phillips, "Veganism and Ecowomanism", in A. Breeze Harper (ed.), Sistah Vegan: Black Female Vegans Speak on Food, Identity, Health, and Society, Brooklyn: Lantern Books, 2010, 11.
^"Definitions", International Vegetarian Union, archived 29 September 2000.
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Critiques of Veganism
In the interests of fairness, shouldn't there be a section listing critiques and criticisms of the vegan diet from a health point of view at the very least? The only dissenting voice given in the article is from "Discrimination against vegans" and "Vegaphobia" which very strongly implies that only irrational and spiteful people would have any problem with this lifestyle. It just seems strange that nearly every other movement listed on this site follows a very standard formula of its history, its beliefs, and nearly always ends with a list of its criticisms written from a neutral point of view. Why should veganism be any different?
2603:3018:CD9:100:FC7B:A7D0:E465:4794 (
talk) 03:19, 24 November 2023 (UTC)Phoenixreply
Agree with this - personally I have no issue with vegans or veganism in general but it is odd that this article is basically uncritical.
Foonblace (
talk) 08:50, 20 December 2023 (UTC)reply
From the lede: "Vitamin B12 supplementation is important because its deficiency can cause blood disorders and potentially irreversible neurological damage". In general,
WP:CRITS are to be avoided.
Bon courage (
talk) 09:06, 20 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Under the subheading “Philosophy, religion, or politics”
WP:CRITS says:
“For topics about a particular point of view – such as philosophies (Idealism, Naturalism, Existentialism), political outlooks (Capitalism, Marxism), or religion (Islam, Christianity, Atheism) – it will usually be appropriate to have a ‘Criticism’ section or ‘Criticism of ...’ subarticle. Integrating criticism into the main article can cause confusion because readers may misconstrue the critical material as representative of the philosophy's outlook, the political stance, or the religion's tenets.”
Since veganism is both a dietary choice and a philosophy, maybe this applies here.
Marippy (
talk) 01:01, 6 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I heard what you are saying, but in this case, the criticism should be incorporated into the article. I don't trust people to list criticisms from a neutral point of view... I think having a criticisms section would invite trolls to vandalize the article, which is something we do NOT want.
Historyday01 (
talk) 02:01, 6 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I agree. Having a criticism section would invite the trolls and be very bad.
Historyday01 (
talk) 02:00, 6 April 2024 (UTC)reply
A person who follows the diet is known as a vegan?
Someone who follows a plant-only diet but wears leather is a strict plant-based dieter, not a vegan. Is that book I linked to not a reliable source?--
Countryboy603 (
talk) 15:54, 8 December 2023 (UTC)reply
So why don't Wikipedia articles about veganism in other languages have this "particularly in diet" thing? The Spanish article translates to "Veganism is the attitude consisting of rejecting the use of products of animal origin, together with a doctrine or philosophy that rejects conceiving animals as merchandise, whether for clothing, medicines, cosmetics, transportation, experimentation, help at work or entertainment. Veganism is defined as a lifestyle, as an ethical position and as an ideology. Those who practice veganism are called vegans. The foundations of veganism include ethical, moral, environmental, health and humanitarian arguments. The products and services excluded by veganism are all those that involve an animal, for example in food (meat, fish, eggs, milk and derivatives, honey), in clothing and industry (leather, wool, furs and some cosmetics), entertainment - zoos , some pets, circuses -, or services - guide dogs, police dogs, hunting dogs, draft animals or animal experimentation, including medical experimentation."
2601:280:C380:8120:240B:6635:18B2:EF3 (
talk) 19:21, 24 May 2024 (UTC)reply
No. Abolitionism and veganism are interrelated yet distinct philosophies. They complement each other.
Rasnaboy (
talk) 13:37, 21 January 2024 (UTC)reply
This merge proposal is also discussed at
Talk:Abolitionism_(animal_rights)#Merge. I oppose this merge. There are a number of RS sources that have significant coverage of Abolitionism as a concept, which alone is justification for a separate article.
Dialectric (
talk) 13:24, 21 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Prevalence by country: Germany, incorrect statement
...better educated (people who ended their formal education with Hauptschule graduation)...
In Germany, Hauptschule is not considered better educated. It's the lowest of the 3 schools kids attend starting 5th grade.
107.4.90.214 (
talk) 23:57, 10 February 2024 (UTC)reply
I deleted the part that goes into detail about education and East/West Germany. The study is too small to draw any of these conclusions.
CarlFromVienna (
talk) 09:48, 12 February 2024 (UTC)reply
"There are degrees of veganism. A pure vegetarian or dietary vegan is someone who consumes a vegan diet but doesn't lead a vegan lifestyle. Pure vegetarians may use animal products, support the use of animals in research, wear leather clothing, or have no objection to the exploitation of animals for entertainment. They are mostly motivated by personal health concerns rather than by ethical objections. Some may adopt a more vegan lifestyle as they are exposed to vegan philosophy."[1]
"Practitioners of veganism abstain from animal consumption (dietary and non-dietary). However, the culture of veganism iself is not a monolith and is composed of many different subcultures and philosophies throughout the world, ranging from punk strict vegans for animals rights, to people who are dietary vegans for personal health reasons, to people who practice veganism for religious and spiritual reasons."[2]
Associated Press (2011):
"Ethical vegans have a moral aversion to harming animals for human consumption ... though the term often is used to describe people who follow the diet, not the larger philosophy"[3]
"I have been a vegetarian all my adult life, and I am currently a dietary vegan, and I do not wear leather."[5]
Layli Phillips (2010):
"While some vegans, for instance members of the Straight Edge community, demand unswerving commitment to vegan ideals and practices, many people practice some form of partial veganism. For instance, many vegans refrain from eating meat, dairy, and eggs, yet eat honey or wear leather. Other vegans shop vegan and eat vegan at home, but look the other way at a vegetarian restaurant for dishes that use a small amount of butter, cream, or cheese. ... You get the idea: for many people, veganism is a principle, not a law."[6]
^A. Harper Breeze, "Going Beyond the Normative White 'Post-racial' Vegan Epistemology", in Psyche Williams Forson and Carole Counihan (eds.), Taking Food Public: Redefining Foodways in a Changing World, New York: Routledge, 2011, 158.
^Gary L. Francione, "The Abolition of Animal Exploitation" in
Gary L. Francione and Robert Garner, The Animal Rights Debate: Abolition Or Regulation?, Columbia University Press, 2010,
62.
^"A Discussion between Francione and Gardner", in Francione and Garner 2010,
257.
^Layli Phillips, "Veganism and Ecowomanism", in A. Breeze Harper (ed.), Sistah Vegan: Black Female Vegans Speak on Food, Identity, Health, and Society, Brooklyn: Lantern Books, 2010, 11.
^"Definitions", International Vegetarian Union, archived 29 September 2000.
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Critiques of Veganism
In the interests of fairness, shouldn't there be a section listing critiques and criticisms of the vegan diet from a health point of view at the very least? The only dissenting voice given in the article is from "Discrimination against vegans" and "Vegaphobia" which very strongly implies that only irrational and spiteful people would have any problem with this lifestyle. It just seems strange that nearly every other movement listed on this site follows a very standard formula of its history, its beliefs, and nearly always ends with a list of its criticisms written from a neutral point of view. Why should veganism be any different?
2603:3018:CD9:100:FC7B:A7D0:E465:4794 (
talk) 03:19, 24 November 2023 (UTC)Phoenixreply
Agree with this - personally I have no issue with vegans or veganism in general but it is odd that this article is basically uncritical.
Foonblace (
talk) 08:50, 20 December 2023 (UTC)reply
From the lede: "Vitamin B12 supplementation is important because its deficiency can cause blood disorders and potentially irreversible neurological damage". In general,
WP:CRITS are to be avoided.
Bon courage (
talk) 09:06, 20 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Under the subheading “Philosophy, religion, or politics”
WP:CRITS says:
“For topics about a particular point of view – such as philosophies (Idealism, Naturalism, Existentialism), political outlooks (Capitalism, Marxism), or religion (Islam, Christianity, Atheism) – it will usually be appropriate to have a ‘Criticism’ section or ‘Criticism of ...’ subarticle. Integrating criticism into the main article can cause confusion because readers may misconstrue the critical material as representative of the philosophy's outlook, the political stance, or the religion's tenets.”
Since veganism is both a dietary choice and a philosophy, maybe this applies here.
Marippy (
talk) 01:01, 6 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I heard what you are saying, but in this case, the criticism should be incorporated into the article. I don't trust people to list criticisms from a neutral point of view... I think having a criticisms section would invite trolls to vandalize the article, which is something we do NOT want.
Historyday01 (
talk) 02:01, 6 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I agree. Having a criticism section would invite the trolls and be very bad.
Historyday01 (
talk) 02:00, 6 April 2024 (UTC)reply
A person who follows the diet is known as a vegan?
Someone who follows a plant-only diet but wears leather is a strict plant-based dieter, not a vegan. Is that book I linked to not a reliable source?--
Countryboy603 (
talk) 15:54, 8 December 2023 (UTC)reply
So why don't Wikipedia articles about veganism in other languages have this "particularly in diet" thing? The Spanish article translates to "Veganism is the attitude consisting of rejecting the use of products of animal origin, together with a doctrine or philosophy that rejects conceiving animals as merchandise, whether for clothing, medicines, cosmetics, transportation, experimentation, help at work or entertainment. Veganism is defined as a lifestyle, as an ethical position and as an ideology. Those who practice veganism are called vegans. The foundations of veganism include ethical, moral, environmental, health and humanitarian arguments. The products and services excluded by veganism are all those that involve an animal, for example in food (meat, fish, eggs, milk and derivatives, honey), in clothing and industry (leather, wool, furs and some cosmetics), entertainment - zoos , some pets, circuses -, or services - guide dogs, police dogs, hunting dogs, draft animals or animal experimentation, including medical experimentation."
2601:280:C380:8120:240B:6635:18B2:EF3 (
talk) 19:21, 24 May 2024 (UTC)reply
No. Abolitionism and veganism are interrelated yet distinct philosophies. They complement each other.
Rasnaboy (
talk) 13:37, 21 January 2024 (UTC)reply
This merge proposal is also discussed at
Talk:Abolitionism_(animal_rights)#Merge. I oppose this merge. There are a number of RS sources that have significant coverage of Abolitionism as a concept, which alone is justification for a separate article.
Dialectric (
talk) 13:24, 21 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Prevalence by country: Germany, incorrect statement
...better educated (people who ended their formal education with Hauptschule graduation)...
In Germany, Hauptschule is not considered better educated. It's the lowest of the 3 schools kids attend starting 5th grade.
107.4.90.214 (
talk) 23:57, 10 February 2024 (UTC)reply
I deleted the part that goes into detail about education and East/West Germany. The study is too small to draw any of these conclusions.
CarlFromVienna (
talk) 09:48, 12 February 2024 (UTC)reply