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Here in Guangzhou, we have big respect you you ! Our fans are becoming Chinese number 1 and we aim to reach your standard !! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.5.47.220 ( talk) 08:18, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Does anybody know approximately how many supporters they have in Japan? -- 202.47.49.249 11:03, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I see some of your points but, at the same time, you are the polar opposite, painting the Urawa Reds in a negative light. The trophy winning years have certainly not seen our average gates swell. Since the construction of Saitama Stadium in 2002 - pre trophy years - Urawa have regularly been attracting crowds in excess of 50,000. Your writing seems to indicate that the crowds and the passion are attributed to "the glory years". This is CLEARLY not the case. In addition, I have also been to many J-League games with the Urawa Reds since 2002 and they are easily the best supported team both home and away in Japan and, as the facts show, are the best supported team in Asia. I would like you to unprotect the writing and come to an agreement about the info rather than have your own agenda. Also, I have no qualms about our poor record in the J-league. But you are doing the club and it's loyal fans a dis-service. The only reason the attendances were that low was due to the capacity at Komaba stadium. The suporters at the club are the most loyal and passionate in Japan and should be recognised accordingly. We aren't a Man Utd, Chelsea, Real Madrid, Barcelona team but one that has had a miserable past but is now reaping the rewards (in a Schalke, Newcastle mould - i.e. a club for the people of Saitama to be proud of). I look forward to your reply. ( Jleagueinfo 11:06, 1 October 2007 (UTC)) In addition you state "Having been a regular at J-League games for four years, I can tell you that until recently Urawa's travelling support has been nothing notable.". If you've been going to games for four years, then I assume that you must be going to Urawa reserve games. lol. Since attending my first J-league game in 2002 there haven't been many instances where Urawa haven't taken hugely impressive numbers to away grounds. We regularly take over 20,000 fans to Yokohama, Tokyo, Kashima and can more or less match home crowds down the middle at smaller stadia within a few hours drive. Also: "Urawa are one of the best supported teams in Japan.". One of ? Can you name another team that regularly gets crowds of over 50,000, has a 48,000 average gate and takes as many fans away as Urawa does? Also: "The general rule is below 50000 with big travelling support swelling the crowd beyond 50000". The general rule is that most teams (excl Niigata) get a 3,500/4,000 allocation in one corner. Again, I have to question your "live game" knowledge of Urawa. ( Jleagueinfo 11:18, 1 October 2007 (UTC))
The reason for the Marinos/Antlers posts was because I thought a fan of one of these clubs was vandalising the "original" content of this site. Now, you just appear to be manipulating the facts in your favour - exactly the same as what I have apparently done. What makes your posting any more credible? You can state you are correct from your angle but so can I. You make no reference to the fact that up until recently we shared many of our home games with Komaba - so of course our average attendance wouldn't look so good. We were still getting the same sort of crowds at Saitama stadium in 2002 as we are now. Perhaps even more !! Certainly not a "glory" trend. I would certainly like to know which team we only took a few hundred supporters to and, again, whether it was a J-League game or Nabisco Cup. Perhaps a Nabisco Cup game in Oita on a cold wednesday winter night - a ninety minute flight away? As for Shimizu, Urawa always tend to fill the away stand behind the goal but "yes" i'll admit we had a tad more there this year (35 - 40% of the stadium). Where is the educating reference about the 2003 Nabisco Cup triumph? As for away gates - I refer to travelling support. Of course Kashima would outdraw Urawa for attendances at away stadiums in the late nineties and early 2000 due to them being the most successful club in Japan. However, their travelling support was much lower than Urawa's. Urawa now finds itself as the best supported club in Asia (in terms of gate figures) - to which this reference has been removed. The numbers they took to Sydney and Jeonju in the ACL was quite impressive as well. I find the material currently representing Urawa on the article as a manipulation of figures and certainly mis-leading. How about you add the fact that they had to share their home games with Komaba and since the move of all home games to Saitama stadium average attendances have risen accordingly to make them the highest attended club in Asia? I don't know why relegation to J2 is an embarrasment either? Certainly we weren't very good then. ( 86.143.54.177 13:35, 1 October 2007 (UTC))
Our travelling support was higher than Kashima's, even in their glory years. I hardly think we are responsible for the home supporters turning up at other stadiums though. We were hardly the draw card that Kashima was back then. As for Asian attendances, well, there's only one in this SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_club_attendances_%282007%29
In addition, you're telling me Urawa would only have had 18/19,000 at Saitama Stadium had their Komaba fixtures been switched? lol. Never going to happen. I think the reference should be added that "since they changed all their fixtures to Saitama Stadium" rather than a recent up-turn in form. It's a load of baloney !! Change it !!! Please. I find it hard to fathom that a Shimizu S Pulse supporter can have THE say on another clubs encyclopedia page over a fan who knows more about the club, has been to every away ground currently in J1 and many more home games of the said team. How about we try and reach a compromise with the material which is neither misleading or bias? I think that's a fair call. Any moderators around ?????? ( Jleagueinfo 20:43, 1 October 2007 (UTC))( 86.143.54.177 14:05, 1 October 2007 (UTC))
Who ever said I was a Shimizu S-Pulse fan!? You've fallen into the trap of thinking that this is somehow motivated by football allegiances. It's not. It's about writing a decent encyclopedia article which doesn't look like a football fan's fan page. I never protected this page, a Wikipedia admin did . Probably one who doesn't even know who Urawa Reds are. It was protected because they recognised, like myself, that most of what you was adding was value laden and not of a neutral POV. It might be worth mentioning something about the change in attendances since the new stadium, but we still have the problem that averages crowds have only incresed in any real sense in the last three years. ShizuokaSensei 21:58, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
All the article should ever be in impartial. It's impossibly to measure claims of "the best supporters team in Japan" (or most fantatical or loyal etc etc) so that information can simply never be in an encyclopdia. I'm really glad to see that link you point to, as it does go a long way to making us able to mention last year's average crowds. We also have the figures to back up the claim Urawa currently have the biggest home average crowds in the J-League (last season and most likely this one too) but for the previous two years, they didn't. This is fact. What's also fact is that even when Urawa played every game at the smaller stadium not each and every game was a sell out with no emtpy seats to be seen. Had that been the case it might be worth mentioning that had they been playing in another stadium they'd have got more, but even then that's pure speculation, impossible to prove and as such can't bve included in an encyclopedia. The fact is they didn't fill their smaller stadium every week. Anyway, I'm going to have a go at a re-write of the intro to include the new info you've supplied. ShizuokaSensei 00:41, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Just out of curiosity, as someone who has been to every J-League stadium, I'm interested to know when it was you visited Shizuoka prefecture? I often go to both Jubilo and S-Pulse games and I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on both Nihondaira Stadium and Yamaha Stadium in relation to Ecopa. What did you think of the access to Nihondaira or Yamaha? How did it compare to the issues at Ecopa?
Are you still getting to many games this season?
ShizuokaSensei 04:29, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I no longer get to any games as I am no longer living in Japan. However, when I returned for a holiday with my girlfriend last season, we took a few games in. The game at Shimizu (when I went) was actually a 3-4 defeat for us, although we were 3-1 up until Suzuki was sent off. As for Yamaha - you've got me there !! The Jubilo away game was at Ecopa (the stadium in the forest). It was a mid-week game and finished 2-2. I can remember having to catch a bus from the nearest town's train station to the stadium (I thought I was on the wrong bus - full of OAPS and high school girls). One things for sure, Shimizu's support is far more suited to football than Jubilo's. Fun to watch. Also, I can't claim to have followed Urawa to Sydney, Jeonju, Indonesia, etc lol. Following the National Team is good fun as well. Coincidentally, Urawa's average attendance in 2006 included one game at Komaba and I think it will this year also. ( Jleagueinfo 09:05, 2 October 2007 (UTC))
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Again, the reason for lower average attendances in these years has EVERYTHING to do with the fact that Urawa were sharing their games with the much smaller Komaba stadium. Even then, Komaba would be full 19/20,000 and Saitama Stadium would still be attracting 50 odd thousand. Since the move of all games to Saitama stadium the attendance average is now the best in Asia. There is no reference to this in the text, not the 2003 Nabisco Cup victory, or the clubs current situation in Asia and the impressive following it received in Sydney and Jeonju. As for away gates, I mean the number of fans travelling. Of course Kashima would out-draw Urawa in the late nineties and early 2000 at away stadiums because they were the most succesful team in Japan. However, their travelling support was much smaller than Urawa's. A trend which hasn't changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.54.177 ( talk) 13:17, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Our travelling support was higher than Kashima's, even in their glory years. I hardly think we are responsible for the home supporters turning up at other stadiums though. We were hardly the draw card that Kashima was back then. As for Asian attendances, well, there's only one in this SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_club_attendances_%282007%29
Anyway, how have you suddenly become webmaster for this page? My argument and angle holds just as many facts as your manipulation of the facts does !! What qualifies a Shimizu( 86.143.54.177 13:44, 1 October 2007 (UTC))
Agree. I am a Japanese living in Shanghai and find the Urawa information tainted with resentment. I do believe that Urawa played 2 games at Komaba in 2007. Also, if we were to take in only league attendances then the average would be over 50,000. These facts are ignored and I urge the controller of this site to allow enthusiasts with more knowledge regarding Urawa to post the information. As for Urawa being "one of Japan`s best supported clubs" WTF !! When does outnumbering every other attendance by two or three to one (consistently for 8 years) not constitute BEST supported club status? How about the 2007 ACL also receive some more prestige rather than made to be a consolation prize in the gloating of Kashima taking the title from Urawa. Urawa raised the profile of the competition and captured the imagination of football in Japan and on the continent. A very well known club belittled by someone with petty club rivalries at heart. Urawa deserve better on wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.86.1.71 ( talk) 12:41, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
What do people think? I cut the regulaly attracting 50000+ crowds line becuase, quite frankly, it's not that regular of an occurance. A handfull of times out of the the season would be a more accurate way to describe it. There's simply no denying the upturn in form is in no small way responsible for the crowds increasing so much since 2004. As we know, the average didn't climb above 40000 until the first championship winning season last year, and Niigata averaged bigger crowds for both 2004 and 2005. The so-called awe-spiring away support has been shown to matched by other teams, and unless we can locate statistics detailing average number of away fans taken on the road by each team, we can't put the information in. Anyway, I have some real work to do. Let me know what you think. ShizuokaSensei 01:03, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
It's an improvement I suppose, although average figures are closer to 50,000 than they are to 40,000. Since 2002, it would be interesting to see how many 50,000+ crowds Urawa have acheived at Saitama Stadium (incl friendly games against Feyenoord, Mau Utd, Barcelona, Munich). I'd wager over 20 times - which is quite regular in my book. As for away crowds, I suppose you'll just have to continue watching the J-league highlights and see which side seems to get a huge proportion of away tickets, fills the away stand and then some. It may be worth your while looking at Urawa Reds Supporters Media and Urawa Reds on You Tube. I'm sure you'll be impressed :-) ( Jleagueinfo 09:13, 2 October 2007 (UTC))
I hope you've got your ticket for the Shimizu game at Saitama Stadum on 18/11/07 - it's heading for a 60,000 odd sell-out. http://www.urawa-reds.co.jp/index2.html Bottom of the page on the left hand side. All the x's. There are a couple of good (slightly dated) books on the J-league. One - Japanese Rules and, the other, Ultra Nippon - written by a Shimizu S Pulse fan - which, in all fairness, mentions that even in Urawa's relegation year they were the only club that could pack their stadium out throughout the season (and the first place he saw ticket touts in the J-league due to lack of available tickets). He also goes on to describe Jubilo Iwata as the "evil" empire and responsible for bringing the "dark arts" to the J-League. Here's another telling link, about Urawa Reds, for good measure: http://www.wldcup.com/Asia/jleague/reds.html ( Jleagueinfo 07:54, 3 October 2007 (UTC))
I undid the recent revision to the intro paragraph as it repeated itself (it's already stated the team moving to the bigger Saitama Stadium impacted on average crowds), and the average crowd last season was over 45000, not 46000. Given the contentious nature of this article recently it's probably best to propose changes to here. Especially for the intro paragraph which had been discussed and, I thought, agreed on. ShizuokaSensei 23:41, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Another 50,000 plus crowd at the Saisuta again today. I think should you check the attendances on the www.goal2002.com website you'll find there have been enough 50,000+ crowds this season to warrant a return of "regularly attract 50,000+ crowds". But please note 50,000+ crowds at the Saisuta were common before our trophy years. The actual content of the page, before it was changed, did paint an accurate picture. The Reds are a success as a self-sustainable club in Japan and no matter which way you want to look at it, are a special club in the J-league. You don't have to be a Reds supporter to see that. ( 81.159.145.220 18:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC))
Urawa Red Diamonds (浦和レッドダイヤモンズ, Urawa Reddo Daiyamonzu?) or more simply, Urawa Reds (浦和レッズ, Urawa Rezzu?), is a professional football club in Japan's football league. One of Japan's best supported teams, the club has been able to boast the highest average crowds for eight of the J-League's fourteen season history. In 2006 Urawa averaged over 45000, both the biggest in Japan and in Asia as a whole. The club's move in 2002 to the newly built Saitama Stadium, coupled with an upturn in form, has been responsible for swelling average gates to nearly twice that of their historical average. Its hometown is the city of Saitama in Saitama Prefecture.
An interesting English language programme has just been released regarding the Reds, series title: Kings of Clubs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNZOtRgV5hU&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IHiohiYmm4&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QK-T3Qgl2U&mode=related&search=
Part 3 produces a lot of well known facts about the club. ( 86.149.130.22 20:36, 11 October 2007 (UTC))
Rather than posting links to a You Tube video in the middle of the article, what you have to do is take the facts you're citing from it and then reference the source at the botom of the page as a reference. What information are you wanting to cite from this video? ShizuokaSensei 21:47, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
The effort gone into is awesome, but I'm not convinced of the worth of listing a teams every international game. I can't see a precedent on other more internationally prolific teams, and should this be done for certain teams it would stretch over several pages! Am I alone in this opinion? I'd suggest at least that it be moved to the main competition record article.-- OrangeWinghead ( talk) 00:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Should we be talking about the Reds' recent racist incident on March 8?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-14/racist-sign-leads-to-all-fans-banned-from-j-league-game/5321298 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kumazaki.Yuuji ( talk • contribs) 05:23, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
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Here in Guangzhou, we have big respect you you ! Our fans are becoming Chinese number 1 and we aim to reach your standard !! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.5.47.220 ( talk) 08:18, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Does anybody know approximately how many supporters they have in Japan? -- 202.47.49.249 11:03, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I see some of your points but, at the same time, you are the polar opposite, painting the Urawa Reds in a negative light. The trophy winning years have certainly not seen our average gates swell. Since the construction of Saitama Stadium in 2002 - pre trophy years - Urawa have regularly been attracting crowds in excess of 50,000. Your writing seems to indicate that the crowds and the passion are attributed to "the glory years". This is CLEARLY not the case. In addition, I have also been to many J-League games with the Urawa Reds since 2002 and they are easily the best supported team both home and away in Japan and, as the facts show, are the best supported team in Asia. I would like you to unprotect the writing and come to an agreement about the info rather than have your own agenda. Also, I have no qualms about our poor record in the J-league. But you are doing the club and it's loyal fans a dis-service. The only reason the attendances were that low was due to the capacity at Komaba stadium. The suporters at the club are the most loyal and passionate in Japan and should be recognised accordingly. We aren't a Man Utd, Chelsea, Real Madrid, Barcelona team but one that has had a miserable past but is now reaping the rewards (in a Schalke, Newcastle mould - i.e. a club for the people of Saitama to be proud of). I look forward to your reply. ( Jleagueinfo 11:06, 1 October 2007 (UTC)) In addition you state "Having been a regular at J-League games for four years, I can tell you that until recently Urawa's travelling support has been nothing notable.". If you've been going to games for four years, then I assume that you must be going to Urawa reserve games. lol. Since attending my first J-league game in 2002 there haven't been many instances where Urawa haven't taken hugely impressive numbers to away grounds. We regularly take over 20,000 fans to Yokohama, Tokyo, Kashima and can more or less match home crowds down the middle at smaller stadia within a few hours drive. Also: "Urawa are one of the best supported teams in Japan.". One of ? Can you name another team that regularly gets crowds of over 50,000, has a 48,000 average gate and takes as many fans away as Urawa does? Also: "The general rule is below 50000 with big travelling support swelling the crowd beyond 50000". The general rule is that most teams (excl Niigata) get a 3,500/4,000 allocation in one corner. Again, I have to question your "live game" knowledge of Urawa. ( Jleagueinfo 11:18, 1 October 2007 (UTC))
The reason for the Marinos/Antlers posts was because I thought a fan of one of these clubs was vandalising the "original" content of this site. Now, you just appear to be manipulating the facts in your favour - exactly the same as what I have apparently done. What makes your posting any more credible? You can state you are correct from your angle but so can I. You make no reference to the fact that up until recently we shared many of our home games with Komaba - so of course our average attendance wouldn't look so good. We were still getting the same sort of crowds at Saitama stadium in 2002 as we are now. Perhaps even more !! Certainly not a "glory" trend. I would certainly like to know which team we only took a few hundred supporters to and, again, whether it was a J-League game or Nabisco Cup. Perhaps a Nabisco Cup game in Oita on a cold wednesday winter night - a ninety minute flight away? As for Shimizu, Urawa always tend to fill the away stand behind the goal but "yes" i'll admit we had a tad more there this year (35 - 40% of the stadium). Where is the educating reference about the 2003 Nabisco Cup triumph? As for away gates - I refer to travelling support. Of course Kashima would outdraw Urawa for attendances at away stadiums in the late nineties and early 2000 due to them being the most successful club in Japan. However, their travelling support was much lower than Urawa's. Urawa now finds itself as the best supported club in Asia (in terms of gate figures) - to which this reference has been removed. The numbers they took to Sydney and Jeonju in the ACL was quite impressive as well. I find the material currently representing Urawa on the article as a manipulation of figures and certainly mis-leading. How about you add the fact that they had to share their home games with Komaba and since the move of all home games to Saitama stadium average attendances have risen accordingly to make them the highest attended club in Asia? I don't know why relegation to J2 is an embarrasment either? Certainly we weren't very good then. ( 86.143.54.177 13:35, 1 October 2007 (UTC))
Our travelling support was higher than Kashima's, even in their glory years. I hardly think we are responsible for the home supporters turning up at other stadiums though. We were hardly the draw card that Kashima was back then. As for Asian attendances, well, there's only one in this SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_club_attendances_%282007%29
In addition, you're telling me Urawa would only have had 18/19,000 at Saitama Stadium had their Komaba fixtures been switched? lol. Never going to happen. I think the reference should be added that "since they changed all their fixtures to Saitama Stadium" rather than a recent up-turn in form. It's a load of baloney !! Change it !!! Please. I find it hard to fathom that a Shimizu S Pulse supporter can have THE say on another clubs encyclopedia page over a fan who knows more about the club, has been to every away ground currently in J1 and many more home games of the said team. How about we try and reach a compromise with the material which is neither misleading or bias? I think that's a fair call. Any moderators around ?????? ( Jleagueinfo 20:43, 1 October 2007 (UTC))( 86.143.54.177 14:05, 1 October 2007 (UTC))
Who ever said I was a Shimizu S-Pulse fan!? You've fallen into the trap of thinking that this is somehow motivated by football allegiances. It's not. It's about writing a decent encyclopedia article which doesn't look like a football fan's fan page. I never protected this page, a Wikipedia admin did . Probably one who doesn't even know who Urawa Reds are. It was protected because they recognised, like myself, that most of what you was adding was value laden and not of a neutral POV. It might be worth mentioning something about the change in attendances since the new stadium, but we still have the problem that averages crowds have only incresed in any real sense in the last three years. ShizuokaSensei 21:58, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
All the article should ever be in impartial. It's impossibly to measure claims of "the best supporters team in Japan" (or most fantatical or loyal etc etc) so that information can simply never be in an encyclopdia. I'm really glad to see that link you point to, as it does go a long way to making us able to mention last year's average crowds. We also have the figures to back up the claim Urawa currently have the biggest home average crowds in the J-League (last season and most likely this one too) but for the previous two years, they didn't. This is fact. What's also fact is that even when Urawa played every game at the smaller stadium not each and every game was a sell out with no emtpy seats to be seen. Had that been the case it might be worth mentioning that had they been playing in another stadium they'd have got more, but even then that's pure speculation, impossible to prove and as such can't bve included in an encyclopedia. The fact is they didn't fill their smaller stadium every week. Anyway, I'm going to have a go at a re-write of the intro to include the new info you've supplied. ShizuokaSensei 00:41, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Just out of curiosity, as someone who has been to every J-League stadium, I'm interested to know when it was you visited Shizuoka prefecture? I often go to both Jubilo and S-Pulse games and I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on both Nihondaira Stadium and Yamaha Stadium in relation to Ecopa. What did you think of the access to Nihondaira or Yamaha? How did it compare to the issues at Ecopa?
Are you still getting to many games this season?
ShizuokaSensei 04:29, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I no longer get to any games as I am no longer living in Japan. However, when I returned for a holiday with my girlfriend last season, we took a few games in. The game at Shimizu (when I went) was actually a 3-4 defeat for us, although we were 3-1 up until Suzuki was sent off. As for Yamaha - you've got me there !! The Jubilo away game was at Ecopa (the stadium in the forest). It was a mid-week game and finished 2-2. I can remember having to catch a bus from the nearest town's train station to the stadium (I thought I was on the wrong bus - full of OAPS and high school girls). One things for sure, Shimizu's support is far more suited to football than Jubilo's. Fun to watch. Also, I can't claim to have followed Urawa to Sydney, Jeonju, Indonesia, etc lol. Following the National Team is good fun as well. Coincidentally, Urawa's average attendance in 2006 included one game at Komaba and I think it will this year also. ( Jleagueinfo 09:05, 2 October 2007 (UTC))
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Again, the reason for lower average attendances in these years has EVERYTHING to do with the fact that Urawa were sharing their games with the much smaller Komaba stadium. Even then, Komaba would be full 19/20,000 and Saitama Stadium would still be attracting 50 odd thousand. Since the move of all games to Saitama stadium the attendance average is now the best in Asia. There is no reference to this in the text, not the 2003 Nabisco Cup victory, or the clubs current situation in Asia and the impressive following it received in Sydney and Jeonju. As for away gates, I mean the number of fans travelling. Of course Kashima would out-draw Urawa in the late nineties and early 2000 at away stadiums because they were the most succesful team in Japan. However, their travelling support was much smaller than Urawa's. A trend which hasn't changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.54.177 ( talk) 13:17, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Our travelling support was higher than Kashima's, even in their glory years. I hardly think we are responsible for the home supporters turning up at other stadiums though. We were hardly the draw card that Kashima was back then. As for Asian attendances, well, there's only one in this SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_club_attendances_%282007%29
Anyway, how have you suddenly become webmaster for this page? My argument and angle holds just as many facts as your manipulation of the facts does !! What qualifies a Shimizu( 86.143.54.177 13:44, 1 October 2007 (UTC))
Agree. I am a Japanese living in Shanghai and find the Urawa information tainted with resentment. I do believe that Urawa played 2 games at Komaba in 2007. Also, if we were to take in only league attendances then the average would be over 50,000. These facts are ignored and I urge the controller of this site to allow enthusiasts with more knowledge regarding Urawa to post the information. As for Urawa being "one of Japan`s best supported clubs" WTF !! When does outnumbering every other attendance by two or three to one (consistently for 8 years) not constitute BEST supported club status? How about the 2007 ACL also receive some more prestige rather than made to be a consolation prize in the gloating of Kashima taking the title from Urawa. Urawa raised the profile of the competition and captured the imagination of football in Japan and on the continent. A very well known club belittled by someone with petty club rivalries at heart. Urawa deserve better on wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.86.1.71 ( talk) 12:41, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
What do people think? I cut the regulaly attracting 50000+ crowds line becuase, quite frankly, it's not that regular of an occurance. A handfull of times out of the the season would be a more accurate way to describe it. There's simply no denying the upturn in form is in no small way responsible for the crowds increasing so much since 2004. As we know, the average didn't climb above 40000 until the first championship winning season last year, and Niigata averaged bigger crowds for both 2004 and 2005. The so-called awe-spiring away support has been shown to matched by other teams, and unless we can locate statistics detailing average number of away fans taken on the road by each team, we can't put the information in. Anyway, I have some real work to do. Let me know what you think. ShizuokaSensei 01:03, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
It's an improvement I suppose, although average figures are closer to 50,000 than they are to 40,000. Since 2002, it would be interesting to see how many 50,000+ crowds Urawa have acheived at Saitama Stadium (incl friendly games against Feyenoord, Mau Utd, Barcelona, Munich). I'd wager over 20 times - which is quite regular in my book. As for away crowds, I suppose you'll just have to continue watching the J-league highlights and see which side seems to get a huge proportion of away tickets, fills the away stand and then some. It may be worth your while looking at Urawa Reds Supporters Media and Urawa Reds on You Tube. I'm sure you'll be impressed :-) ( Jleagueinfo 09:13, 2 October 2007 (UTC))
I hope you've got your ticket for the Shimizu game at Saitama Stadum on 18/11/07 - it's heading for a 60,000 odd sell-out. http://www.urawa-reds.co.jp/index2.html Bottom of the page on the left hand side. All the x's. There are a couple of good (slightly dated) books on the J-league. One - Japanese Rules and, the other, Ultra Nippon - written by a Shimizu S Pulse fan - which, in all fairness, mentions that even in Urawa's relegation year they were the only club that could pack their stadium out throughout the season (and the first place he saw ticket touts in the J-league due to lack of available tickets). He also goes on to describe Jubilo Iwata as the "evil" empire and responsible for bringing the "dark arts" to the J-League. Here's another telling link, about Urawa Reds, for good measure: http://www.wldcup.com/Asia/jleague/reds.html ( Jleagueinfo 07:54, 3 October 2007 (UTC))
I undid the recent revision to the intro paragraph as it repeated itself (it's already stated the team moving to the bigger Saitama Stadium impacted on average crowds), and the average crowd last season was over 45000, not 46000. Given the contentious nature of this article recently it's probably best to propose changes to here. Especially for the intro paragraph which had been discussed and, I thought, agreed on. ShizuokaSensei 23:41, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Another 50,000 plus crowd at the Saisuta again today. I think should you check the attendances on the www.goal2002.com website you'll find there have been enough 50,000+ crowds this season to warrant a return of "regularly attract 50,000+ crowds". But please note 50,000+ crowds at the Saisuta were common before our trophy years. The actual content of the page, before it was changed, did paint an accurate picture. The Reds are a success as a self-sustainable club in Japan and no matter which way you want to look at it, are a special club in the J-league. You don't have to be a Reds supporter to see that. ( 81.159.145.220 18:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC))
Urawa Red Diamonds (浦和レッドダイヤモンズ, Urawa Reddo Daiyamonzu?) or more simply, Urawa Reds (浦和レッズ, Urawa Rezzu?), is a professional football club in Japan's football league. One of Japan's best supported teams, the club has been able to boast the highest average crowds for eight of the J-League's fourteen season history. In 2006 Urawa averaged over 45000, both the biggest in Japan and in Asia as a whole. The club's move in 2002 to the newly built Saitama Stadium, coupled with an upturn in form, has been responsible for swelling average gates to nearly twice that of their historical average. Its hometown is the city of Saitama in Saitama Prefecture.
An interesting English language programme has just been released regarding the Reds, series title: Kings of Clubs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNZOtRgV5hU&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IHiohiYmm4&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QK-T3Qgl2U&mode=related&search=
Part 3 produces a lot of well known facts about the club. ( 86.149.130.22 20:36, 11 October 2007 (UTC))
Rather than posting links to a You Tube video in the middle of the article, what you have to do is take the facts you're citing from it and then reference the source at the botom of the page as a reference. What information are you wanting to cite from this video? ShizuokaSensei 21:47, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
The effort gone into is awesome, but I'm not convinced of the worth of listing a teams every international game. I can't see a precedent on other more internationally prolific teams, and should this be done for certain teams it would stretch over several pages! Am I alone in this opinion? I'd suggest at least that it be moved to the main competition record article.-- OrangeWinghead ( talk) 00:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Should we be talking about the Reds' recent racist incident on March 8?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-14/racist-sign-leads-to-all-fans-banned-from-j-league-game/5321298 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kumazaki.Yuuji ( talk • contribs) 05:23, 17 March 2014 (UTC)