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Hello, the сurrent Commissioner General of UNRWA is Christian Saunders ( UNRWA website), Pierre Krähenbühl has resigned ( Guardian article). Please edit the article to reflect these changes.-- محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح ( talk) 12:59, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
Hello, following a request on ar.wikipedia, please update the infobox and any other passage to reflect the fact that the current deputy commissioner of UNRWA is not Sandra Mitchel. She has also resigned ( Middle East Online). The position is not filled now, according to the request that was put on ar wiki.-- محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح ( talk) 12:51, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
manby thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.81.137.194 ( talk) 10:07, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
It is a standard Israeli claim that UNRWA refugee status automatically passes to descendants while UNCHR refugee status never passes to descendants. Actually both claims are false in general, though it remains true that the two sets of rules are different. For UNCHR the most definitive source is the Procedural Handbook, see "derivative refugee status". Zero talk 04:12, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/08/17/unrwa-has-changed-the-definition-of-refugee/ Zarcademan123456 ( talk) 20:12, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
thank you for directing me to this source, is very user friendly...I just want to ask a question...under “can Palestine change the definition of a refugee” the source says that “persons whose normal place of residence was Palestine during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948, and who lost both home and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 conflict.” Then it says that refugees outside of that time period, though not classified as Palestinian refugees, are then afforded assistance by UNRWA. The next paragraph, “how many Palestine Refugees’ access UNRWA services” says in the first sentence “In 2019, 533,000 refugee children attended UNRWA schools, 3.5 million refugees received primary health care services[...]”. I would appreciate you helping me understand who these refugees are...if they are not able to be classified as “Palestinian” refugees per guidelines which stare that they were not residents of Palestine from “1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948”...then are they “stateless” refugees? So in summation my question is: who are these refugees? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zarcademan123456 ( talk • contribs)
There is an new Commissioner-General, Mr Philipp Lazzarini. https://www.unrwa.org/who-we-are/our-leadership/unrwa-commissioner-general With kind regards Fritzober ( talk) 07:41, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
To editor Zurkhardo: I reverted your edit because it includes the seriously false statement "UNRWA was established in 1948 by the UN General Assembly (UNGA) to provide relief to all refugees within the State of Israel following the 1948 conflict". Actually it was established in 1949 and covered refugees outside Israel as well as inside. You changed too many things at once for me to go through to check everything you changed. I assume that some of your other changes were good, but please make them one at a time so that they can be reviewed more easily. Zero talk 05:27, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
To editor Zurkhardo: Your editing style is antisocial. Look at this and see how hard it is to check your work. And it must be checked, as your initial fundamental errors show. Zero talk 02:54, 11 August 2020 (UTC) Antisocial is a rather odd way to describe an editing style you do not agree with; the term is usually used to describe extreme mental illness like psychopathy. If you look closely, I am mostly rewording or updating existing materials and sources——and the "initial fundamental error" regarding the foundation date preceded my edits; I had simply moved it around. While I should have double checked, it is inaccurate to suggest I place the erroneous information there. Zurkhardo ( talk) 23:20, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Since the Wikipedia entry UNRWA is blocked for editing, I would like you to add the attached link to the External links chapter in the article. The attached source compares the refugees treated by UNRWA versus the refugees treated by UNHCR. Below is the line to add for editing in source code mode: -
Thanks in advance for any help I will receive from you. .. Crocodile2020 ( talk) 17:39, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Since the Wikipedia entry UNRWA is blocked for editing, I would like you to add the attached link to the External links chapter in the article. The attached source compares the refugees treated by UNRWA versus the refugees treated by UNHCR. Below is the line to add for editing in source code mode: -
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The following statements are lacking citations.
Can someone please update these to include appropriate references from reliable sources to avoid them being removed from the article? Thank you! -- Djrun ( talk) 18:01, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
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Change 100 billion to 1 billion, and "as of 2019" to "in 2019" in the following passage from the article: "as of 2019, close to 60 percent of its total pledge of $100 billion came from EU countries, with Germany being the largest individual donor"
The cited source is referring to a single year of funding as evidenced by the passage: "In 2019, 58.4 per cent of the Agency’s total pledges of US$ 1.00 billion came from EU member states, who contributed US$ 585.3 million" From the cited source https://www.unrwa.org/our-partners/government-partners Dropspace ( talk) 13:09, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
I mainly try to aid Wikipedia by editing misspellings and typo's, and I have noticed that there are many instances where "UNRWA" is misspelled as "UNWRA". I can edit it on most pages, but on this page the misspelling occurs once under the subheading "Definition of Refugee" when talking about the organization's mandate. Could somebody edit this (UNWRA-->UNRWA)? Thank you in advance. Jloost-gamer 18:19, 22 april 2021 (UTC)
Can someone also correct the word "thought" to "though" in the sentence
"Initially, it was reported to be an UNRWA clinic but the IDF shortly thereafter retracted the claim thought it was noted that it had an UNRWA sign on it."
IMO it's a clumsy sentence even with the correction, and it's in the passive voice. Maybe this would be better:
The IDF initially described the booby-trapped building as a UNRWA clinic, but a spokesman for Israel's Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT) later said that despite the misleading signage it was not a UNRWA site, and that it had been three years since it was last registered as a sensitive location.
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Thanks for fixing the misspelling, one way or another :-) Joe in Australia ( talk) 22:00, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
The link in reference 5 (Consolidated Eligibility and Registration Instructions) is not working anymore, here is a current link: https://www.unrwa.org/sites/default/files/2010011995652.pdf
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Another mistake is that it describes Kushner as the President's nephew when he is his son-in-law. That whole section needs to be put also in past tense.
Why is an op-ed by these two people being used in an encyclopedia article? nableezy - 03:17, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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The link of the Reference number 16 is outdated. The correct link is this one: https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-208942/ Please replace the old one. Equivocus ( talk) 13:26, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
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2001:8A0:65A9:D00:60E4:C91C:A5E6:6C43 ( talk) 11:35, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
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UNRWA should not be labeled as an NGO as it is part of the UN, an intergovernmental organization, and is governed by an intergovernmental committee. Skipidibodadob7 ( talk) 19:01, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
In the opening section under the map, and in the first paragraph of 'organisation and mandate' there is out of date information about the renewal of UNRWA's mandate. In both places it states that the most recent renewal extended the mandate to June 2023, but in fact this was superseded by a renewal to June 2026. As set out here Breatheforpeace ( talk) 04:59, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
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− | Dr. Arnon Groiss | + | Dr. Arnon Groiss had in the past conducted independent research of Palestinian, Egyptian, Syrian, Saudi Arabian, Tunisian, and Iranian schoolbooks between 2000 and 2010, and was formerly a member of the Scientific Advisory Panel for the study from The Council For Religious Institutions in the Holy Land. He commented on the study across the following aspects: |
− | + | materials included in study |
− | "highly demonizing pieces were not | + | "highly demonizing pieces were not included ... because it did not mention Jews or Israelis ..." |
− | + | generality of themes did not include the legitimacy of the "other," |
− | + | positive texts depicted negative Jewish traditions |
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ZigZagZoug ( talk) 18:56, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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The article is missing some critical information from this article: https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-775777
1.) The article states that over 100 Hamas terrorists graduated from UNRWA schools 2.) The hostage was locked in the attic and was provided barely any food nor medical attention 3, and the most important point, imo.) The hostage claimed that another hostage was held by a Gazan doctor as he treated patients, thus there were more than one hostages held. 69.249.102.223 ( talk) 01:34, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
If anyone is interested, here are a couple of recent Hebrew media sources that could be incorporated into the article:
Both cover the history of the UNRWA, its role in Palestinian society, and various criticisms leveled against it. François Robere ( talk) 10:56, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
The IDF has published recordings of conversations with Gaza residents which allege that aid is not being effectively distributed because senior officials within UNRWA in Gaza are Hamas operatives.
https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1739997352411451497 Sstr ( talk) 14:19, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
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Not seeking to edit the page but add some recent news. 1.UK has suspended funding - https://news.sky.com/story/uk-pauses-funding-to-unrwa-over-claims-staff-were-involved-in-hamas-attack-13057506 Steveonsi ( talk) 15:18, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns-placement-rockets-second-time-one-its-schools 2A00:A041:1CE0:0:E139:30F8:BF3:D3FE ( talk) 16:34, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
I moved down and then tried to combine with the existing material on the most recent allegations here, though I did remove the bit on teachers being asked to participate in military drills as that isnt actually part of the evidence Israel has provided for this, thats just another accusation. What the NYT says is In recent weeks, Israel has presented new evidence that it says shows UNRWA's animus toward Israel. Among the recent allegations made by the Israeli military were copies of letters from Hamas’s military wing to the Gaza education ministry asking that teachers be excused from work so they could participate in military training sessions. Not that this was presented as evidence for this claim, which wouldnt make much sense anyway. nableezy - 22:39, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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− | On 26 January 2024, UNRWA said that Israel had | + | On 26 January 2024, UNRWA said that Israel had provided the agency with information alleging that twelve of its employees have participated in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel, during which hundreds of civilians were massacred and hundreds more taken hostage; the agency announced that they would fire the employees in question and referred them for criminal investigation. According to Israel these employees participated in massacres. |
This wording is more accurate because it's closer to the secondary source that follows this sentence in the article [1], as well as to UNRWA's own words [2]
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Alaexis these are being widely reported as Israeli allegations or accusations, I dont think it is appropriate to change that to "said" and "reported" as those both imply some neutral observer giving unbiased factual accounts. nableezy - 22:17, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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In the map called "2022 UNWRA funding by country in US dollars", UNWRA should be replaced with UNRWA (there was a tyop in the text) 🇮🇱🇺🇸JayCubby probby haz NPOV on the Isr.-Pal. Conflict🇮🇱🇺🇸 talk 18:14, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
UNRWA provide assistance and protection to Palestine refugees in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem. UNRWA has over 30000 Palestinian employees Larsson,Luleå ( talk) 11:38, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
If UN watch is seen as israli biased then why are their allegations of unrwa being affiliated with HAMAS being included in this when they're the only ones saying this? News needs to be unbiased and not deviate from telling the truth. Letting state propaganda infiltrate articles like this only brings wikipeida disdain. Idontknowanythingok ( talk) 19:59, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
However, reliable sources are not required to be neutral, unbiased, or objective.-- Hob Gadling ( talk) 12:46, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
did all of this need to be removed? did it end up put back somewhere? Irtapil ( talk) 14:51, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
https://unwatch.org/group-of-3000-unrwa-teachers-celebrates-hamas-massacre-and-rape/ 2.55.168.80 ( talk) 05:52, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Perhaps it can included as a cited claim, but definitely should not be included as a statement of fact.We definitely shouldn't put this in Wikivoice; would you be satisfied with including it attributed to UN Watch? BilledMammal ( talk) 17:03, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
The word, "exodus" in the section on UNRWA history to describe the movement of Palestinians in 1948 seems to carry meaning that may not be intended. Many people know the "Book of Exodus" as the story in which leaving a place is a form of, or means of, liberation.
I haven't heard anyone expressing this view about the Israel=Palestine conflict. I think it is better to avoid a word that invites analogy.
I would like replace the hot word with "removal/departure", as a way of tying competing concepts together to highlight the importance of evaluting the different beliefs about history.
If I could think of a neutral word, I would suggest that too. Eemstewart ( talk) 02:07, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
Quick heads-up since I can't edit it myself : in the intro of the page, Switzerland is listed twice in the list of countries that withdrew funding :
"[...] the temporary suspension of funding by several major donor countries, including the United States, Germany, Canada, Italy, United Kingdom, Netherlands, Switzerland, Australia, Sweden, Switzerland and France."
-- SwissTHX11384EB ( talk) 08:10, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
Is it advisable for UNWRA page to incorporate details regarding this? 185.189.199.61 ( talk) 10:11, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Adumbrativus ( talk) 05:20, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
UNRWA → United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East – I feel like we should use the longer, official title, similar to how we do at Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), Federal Bureau of Investigation, United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC), United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), and United Nations Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC). I view this as being more in-line with the criterion of consistency than leaving the title as it is at present. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 02:15, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Use official names in article titles (...), unless an agency is almost always known by an acronym. UNRWA is consistently spelled out in full on official documents, in the website header, etc. Then we have WP:ACROTITLE:
if readers somewhat familiar with the subject are likely to only recognise the name by its acronym, then the acronym should be used as a title.. Until a few weeks ago, hardly anybody in the world outside of the Middle East would recognise what UNRWA stands for – and hardly anybody in the world will remember this in a year or two from now (much like we have United Nations Assistance Mission for Rwanda, even though it's commonly known as UNAMIR). In conclusion, guidelines are telling us to have a full official name of this UN agency in the title. — kashmīrī TALK 02:59, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2024/02/16/unrwa-video-oct-7-israel/
worth a mention? 2A0D:6FC7:441:1C6A:957B:4FF0:57AC:9C2 ( talk) 13:30, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
In organisation and mandate it says '13 December 2019, extending until 30 June 2023.[30][31]' however the most recent renewal is from 22 December to 30 jun 2026 as mentioned in the introduction BUSHMAN1024 ( talk) 06:40, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
Why is it that this article has a title "Torture of UN staff" when all of the citations contain reference to a single report that was produced by UNRWA itself? Shouldn't the title be "Alleged Torture of UN staff?"
As a comparison, in this very same article, whenever the involvement of UNRWA staff in the attack on Israel on Oct 7, the word alleged is included. Isn't this the other way around as it was proven that an UNRWA teacher had indeed participated in the attack, along with others as can be seen here.
At the very least we should edit the title to "Alleged torture of UN staff", wouldn't you agree? 147.235.196.65 ( talk) 02:48, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Not done. The main title, Torture during the Israel–Hamas war does not contain the word alleged. Also see UNRWA October 7 controversy, which is about a series of evidence-free Israeli allegations made against UNRWA, no "alleged" in that title either. Whether to include words such as accusation/alleged is an editorial decision and there is some inconsistency in the results, I would suggest that it should depend on the relative strength of the evidence, I would rate a UN report higher up the scale than a report by the IDF or Hamas for example. Since changes like this require editorial consensus, best left to extended confirmed editors to decide ( WP:ARBECR refers). Selfstudier ( talk) 10:51, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Should the article something similar to the following:
According to UN Watch, during the Israel-Hamas war, some UNRWA workers used an internal Telegram channel with over 3000 members, intended to facilitate their work, to praise and celebrate the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel. According to UN Watch, this included sharing photos of dead and captured Israeli's, as well as calling for the execution of hostages.
BilledMammal ( talk) 12:33, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
significant viewpointpublished in reliable sources; It would be a WP:DUE violation to exclude it.
The latest detail about UNRWA budget is from 2020. According to UNRWA, their budget for 2023 was $1.05B. Source: https://www.unrwa.org/sites/default/files/2022-2023_programme_budget_blue_book.pdf IdanST ( talk) 16:51, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
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Hello, the сurrent Commissioner General of UNRWA is Christian Saunders ( UNRWA website), Pierre Krähenbühl has resigned ( Guardian article). Please edit the article to reflect these changes.-- محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح ( talk) 12:59, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
Hello, following a request on ar.wikipedia, please update the infobox and any other passage to reflect the fact that the current deputy commissioner of UNRWA is not Sandra Mitchel. She has also resigned ( Middle East Online). The position is not filled now, according to the request that was put on ar wiki.-- محمد أحمد عبد الفتاح ( talk) 12:51, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
manby thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.81.137.194 ( talk) 10:07, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
It is a standard Israeli claim that UNRWA refugee status automatically passes to descendants while UNCHR refugee status never passes to descendants. Actually both claims are false in general, though it remains true that the two sets of rules are different. For UNCHR the most definitive source is the Procedural Handbook, see "derivative refugee status". Zero talk 04:12, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/08/17/unrwa-has-changed-the-definition-of-refugee/ Zarcademan123456 ( talk) 20:12, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
thank you for directing me to this source, is very user friendly...I just want to ask a question...under “can Palestine change the definition of a refugee” the source says that “persons whose normal place of residence was Palestine during the period 1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948, and who lost both home and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 conflict.” Then it says that refugees outside of that time period, though not classified as Palestinian refugees, are then afforded assistance by UNRWA. The next paragraph, “how many Palestine Refugees’ access UNRWA services” says in the first sentence “In 2019, 533,000 refugee children attended UNRWA schools, 3.5 million refugees received primary health care services[...]”. I would appreciate you helping me understand who these refugees are...if they are not able to be classified as “Palestinian” refugees per guidelines which stare that they were not residents of Palestine from “1 June 1946 to 15 May 1948”...then are they “stateless” refugees? So in summation my question is: who are these refugees? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zarcademan123456 ( talk • contribs)
There is an new Commissioner-General, Mr Philipp Lazzarini. https://www.unrwa.org/who-we-are/our-leadership/unrwa-commissioner-general With kind regards Fritzober ( talk) 07:41, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
To editor Zurkhardo: I reverted your edit because it includes the seriously false statement "UNRWA was established in 1948 by the UN General Assembly (UNGA) to provide relief to all refugees within the State of Israel following the 1948 conflict". Actually it was established in 1949 and covered refugees outside Israel as well as inside. You changed too many things at once for me to go through to check everything you changed. I assume that some of your other changes were good, but please make them one at a time so that they can be reviewed more easily. Zero talk 05:27, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
To editor Zurkhardo: Your editing style is antisocial. Look at this and see how hard it is to check your work. And it must be checked, as your initial fundamental errors show. Zero talk 02:54, 11 August 2020 (UTC) Antisocial is a rather odd way to describe an editing style you do not agree with; the term is usually used to describe extreme mental illness like psychopathy. If you look closely, I am mostly rewording or updating existing materials and sources——and the "initial fundamental error" regarding the foundation date preceded my edits; I had simply moved it around. While I should have double checked, it is inaccurate to suggest I place the erroneous information there. Zurkhardo ( talk) 23:20, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Since the Wikipedia entry UNRWA is blocked for editing, I would like you to add the attached link to the External links chapter in the article. The attached source compares the refugees treated by UNRWA versus the refugees treated by UNHCR. Below is the line to add for editing in source code mode: -
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Since the Wikipedia entry UNRWA is blocked for editing, I would like you to add the attached link to the External links chapter in the article. The attached source compares the refugees treated by UNRWA versus the refugees treated by UNHCR. Below is the line to add for editing in source code mode: -
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The following statements are lacking citations.
Can someone please update these to include appropriate references from reliable sources to avoid them being removed from the article? Thank you! -- Djrun ( talk) 18:01, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
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Change 100 billion to 1 billion, and "as of 2019" to "in 2019" in the following passage from the article: "as of 2019, close to 60 percent of its total pledge of $100 billion came from EU countries, with Germany being the largest individual donor"
The cited source is referring to a single year of funding as evidenced by the passage: "In 2019, 58.4 per cent of the Agency’s total pledges of US$ 1.00 billion came from EU member states, who contributed US$ 585.3 million" From the cited source https://www.unrwa.org/our-partners/government-partners Dropspace ( talk) 13:09, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
I mainly try to aid Wikipedia by editing misspellings and typo's, and I have noticed that there are many instances where "UNRWA" is misspelled as "UNWRA". I can edit it on most pages, but on this page the misspelling occurs once under the subheading "Definition of Refugee" when talking about the organization's mandate. Could somebody edit this (UNWRA-->UNRWA)? Thank you in advance. Jloost-gamer 18:19, 22 april 2021 (UTC)
Can someone also correct the word "thought" to "though" in the sentence
"Initially, it was reported to be an UNRWA clinic but the IDF shortly thereafter retracted the claim thought it was noted that it had an UNRWA sign on it."
IMO it's a clumsy sentence even with the correction, and it's in the passive voice. Maybe this would be better:
The IDF initially described the booby-trapped building as a UNRWA clinic, but a spokesman for Israel's Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT) later said that despite the misleading signage it was not a UNRWA site, and that it had been three years since it was last registered as a sensitive location.
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Thanks for fixing the misspelling, one way or another :-) Joe in Australia ( talk) 22:00, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
The link in reference 5 (Consolidated Eligibility and Registration Instructions) is not working anymore, here is a current link: https://www.unrwa.org/sites/default/files/2010011995652.pdf
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Another mistake is that it describes Kushner as the President's nephew when he is his son-in-law. That whole section needs to be put also in past tense.
Why is an op-ed by these two people being used in an encyclopedia article? nableezy - 03:17, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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The link of the Reference number 16 is outdated. The correct link is this one: https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-208942/ Please replace the old one. Equivocus ( talk) 13:26, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
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UNRWA should not be labeled as an NGO as it is part of the UN, an intergovernmental organization, and is governed by an intergovernmental committee. Skipidibodadob7 ( talk) 19:01, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
In the opening section under the map, and in the first paragraph of 'organisation and mandate' there is out of date information about the renewal of UNRWA's mandate. In both places it states that the most recent renewal extended the mandate to June 2023, but in fact this was superseded by a renewal to June 2026. As set out here Breatheforpeace ( talk) 04:59, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
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− | Dr. Arnon Groiss | + | Dr. Arnon Groiss had in the past conducted independent research of Palestinian, Egyptian, Syrian, Saudi Arabian, Tunisian, and Iranian schoolbooks between 2000 and 2010, and was formerly a member of the Scientific Advisory Panel for the study from The Council For Religious Institutions in the Holy Land. He commented on the study across the following aspects: |
− | + | materials included in study |
− | "highly demonizing pieces were not | + | "highly demonizing pieces were not included ... because it did not mention Jews or Israelis ..." |
− | + | generality of themes did not include the legitimacy of the "other," |
− | + | positive texts depicted negative Jewish traditions |
− | + | treatment of map borders and values were considered misleading |
ZigZagZoug ( talk) 18:56, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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The article is missing some critical information from this article: https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-775777
1.) The article states that over 100 Hamas terrorists graduated from UNRWA schools 2.) The hostage was locked in the attic and was provided barely any food nor medical attention 3, and the most important point, imo.) The hostage claimed that another hostage was held by a Gazan doctor as he treated patients, thus there were more than one hostages held. 69.249.102.223 ( talk) 01:34, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
If anyone is interested, here are a couple of recent Hebrew media sources that could be incorporated into the article:
Both cover the history of the UNRWA, its role in Palestinian society, and various criticisms leveled against it. François Robere ( talk) 10:56, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
The IDF has published recordings of conversations with Gaza residents which allege that aid is not being effectively distributed because senior officials within UNRWA in Gaza are Hamas operatives.
https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1739997352411451497 Sstr ( talk) 14:19, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
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Not seeking to edit the page but add some recent news. 1.UK has suspended funding - https://news.sky.com/story/uk-pauses-funding-to-unrwa-over-claims-staff-were-involved-in-hamas-attack-13057506 Steveonsi ( talk) 15:18, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns-placement-rockets-second-time-one-its-schools 2A00:A041:1CE0:0:E139:30F8:BF3:D3FE ( talk) 16:34, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
I moved down and then tried to combine with the existing material on the most recent allegations here, though I did remove the bit on teachers being asked to participate in military drills as that isnt actually part of the evidence Israel has provided for this, thats just another accusation. What the NYT says is In recent weeks, Israel has presented new evidence that it says shows UNRWA's animus toward Israel. Among the recent allegations made by the Israeli military were copies of letters from Hamas’s military wing to the Gaza education ministry asking that teachers be excused from work so they could participate in military training sessions. Not that this was presented as evidence for this claim, which wouldnt make much sense anyway. nableezy - 22:39, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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− | On 26 January 2024, UNRWA said that Israel had | + | On 26 January 2024, UNRWA said that Israel had provided the agency with information alleging that twelve of its employees have participated in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel, during which hundreds of civilians were massacred and hundreds more taken hostage; the agency announced that they would fire the employees in question and referred them for criminal investigation. According to Israel these employees participated in massacres. |
This wording is more accurate because it's closer to the secondary source that follows this sentence in the article [1], as well as to UNRWA's own words [2]
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Alaexis these are being widely reported as Israeli allegations or accusations, I dont think it is appropriate to change that to "said" and "reported" as those both imply some neutral observer giving unbiased factual accounts. nableezy - 22:17, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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In the map called "2022 UNWRA funding by country in US dollars", UNWRA should be replaced with UNRWA (there was a tyop in the text) 🇮🇱🇺🇸JayCubby probby haz NPOV on the Isr.-Pal. Conflict🇮🇱🇺🇸 talk 18:14, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
UNRWA provide assistance and protection to Palestine refugees in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem. UNRWA has over 30000 Palestinian employees Larsson,Luleå ( talk) 11:38, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
If UN watch is seen as israli biased then why are their allegations of unrwa being affiliated with HAMAS being included in this when they're the only ones saying this? News needs to be unbiased and not deviate from telling the truth. Letting state propaganda infiltrate articles like this only brings wikipeida disdain. Idontknowanythingok ( talk) 19:59, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
However, reliable sources are not required to be neutral, unbiased, or objective.-- Hob Gadling ( talk) 12:46, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
did all of this need to be removed? did it end up put back somewhere? Irtapil ( talk) 14:51, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
https://unwatch.org/group-of-3000-unrwa-teachers-celebrates-hamas-massacre-and-rape/ 2.55.168.80 ( talk) 05:52, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Perhaps it can included as a cited claim, but definitely should not be included as a statement of fact.We definitely shouldn't put this in Wikivoice; would you be satisfied with including it attributed to UN Watch? BilledMammal ( talk) 17:03, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
The word, "exodus" in the section on UNRWA history to describe the movement of Palestinians in 1948 seems to carry meaning that may not be intended. Many people know the "Book of Exodus" as the story in which leaving a place is a form of, or means of, liberation.
I haven't heard anyone expressing this view about the Israel=Palestine conflict. I think it is better to avoid a word that invites analogy.
I would like replace the hot word with "removal/departure", as a way of tying competing concepts together to highlight the importance of evaluting the different beliefs about history.
If I could think of a neutral word, I would suggest that too. Eemstewart ( talk) 02:07, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
Quick heads-up since I can't edit it myself : in the intro of the page, Switzerland is listed twice in the list of countries that withdrew funding :
"[...] the temporary suspension of funding by several major donor countries, including the United States, Germany, Canada, Italy, United Kingdom, Netherlands, Switzerland, Australia, Sweden, Switzerland and France."
-- SwissTHX11384EB ( talk) 08:10, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
Is it advisable for UNWRA page to incorporate details regarding this? 185.189.199.61 ( talk) 10:11, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Adumbrativus ( talk) 05:20, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
UNRWA → United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East – I feel like we should use the longer, official title, similar to how we do at Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), Federal Bureau of Investigation, United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC), United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), and United Nations Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC). I view this as being more in-line with the criterion of consistency than leaving the title as it is at present. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 02:15, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Use official names in article titles (...), unless an agency is almost always known by an acronym. UNRWA is consistently spelled out in full on official documents, in the website header, etc. Then we have WP:ACROTITLE:
if readers somewhat familiar with the subject are likely to only recognise the name by its acronym, then the acronym should be used as a title.. Until a few weeks ago, hardly anybody in the world outside of the Middle East would recognise what UNRWA stands for – and hardly anybody in the world will remember this in a year or two from now (much like we have United Nations Assistance Mission for Rwanda, even though it's commonly known as UNAMIR). In conclusion, guidelines are telling us to have a full official name of this UN agency in the title. — kashmīrī TALK 02:59, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2024/02/16/unrwa-video-oct-7-israel/
worth a mention? 2A0D:6FC7:441:1C6A:957B:4FF0:57AC:9C2 ( talk) 13:30, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
In organisation and mandate it says '13 December 2019, extending until 30 June 2023.[30][31]' however the most recent renewal is from 22 December to 30 jun 2026 as mentioned in the introduction BUSHMAN1024 ( talk) 06:40, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
Why is it that this article has a title "Torture of UN staff" when all of the citations contain reference to a single report that was produced by UNRWA itself? Shouldn't the title be "Alleged Torture of UN staff?"
As a comparison, in this very same article, whenever the involvement of UNRWA staff in the attack on Israel on Oct 7, the word alleged is included. Isn't this the other way around as it was proven that an UNRWA teacher had indeed participated in the attack, along with others as can be seen here.
At the very least we should edit the title to "Alleged torture of UN staff", wouldn't you agree? 147.235.196.65 ( talk) 02:48, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Not done. The main title, Torture during the Israel–Hamas war does not contain the word alleged. Also see UNRWA October 7 controversy, which is about a series of evidence-free Israeli allegations made against UNRWA, no "alleged" in that title either. Whether to include words such as accusation/alleged is an editorial decision and there is some inconsistency in the results, I would suggest that it should depend on the relative strength of the evidence, I would rate a UN report higher up the scale than a report by the IDF or Hamas for example. Since changes like this require editorial consensus, best left to extended confirmed editors to decide ( WP:ARBECR refers). Selfstudier ( talk) 10:51, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Should the article something similar to the following:
According to UN Watch, during the Israel-Hamas war, some UNRWA workers used an internal Telegram channel with over 3000 members, intended to facilitate their work, to praise and celebrate the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel. According to UN Watch, this included sharing photos of dead and captured Israeli's, as well as calling for the execution of hostages.
BilledMammal ( talk) 12:33, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
significant viewpointpublished in reliable sources; It would be a WP:DUE violation to exclude it.
The latest detail about UNRWA budget is from 2020. According to UNRWA, their budget for 2023 was $1.05B. Source: https://www.unrwa.org/sites/default/files/2022-2023_programme_budget_blue_book.pdf IdanST ( talk) 16:51, 30 March 2024 (UTC)