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The result was no consensus. Vassyana ( talk) 08:13, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
The article informs about a Nazi massacre of 1400-1500 Jews so the title should be rather Tykocin massacre. Xx236 ( talk) 13:57, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
In another words furniture is more important than human lives. Xx236 ( talk) 07:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Polish police? Emotions aren't tools to write a non-POV article. Xx236 ( talk) 08:20, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
It's not a subject for jokes. Xx236 ( talk) 10:38, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
You have written :-). Xx236 ( talk) 12:35, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
The new source doesn't confirm the pogrom story. The mentioned Polish police is apparently a self-made militia, not a Polish state police nor the Blue police. Xx236 ( talk) 15:06, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
It was outside GG so there was no Blue Police there. According to many sources it was the auxillary police ie. Hilfspolizei, not formally organised yet, and local civilians. The Hilfspolizei was German organisation, even if ethnically Polish, Belarus or Lithuanian. So eventually German-Polish police, but Polish police means a police organised by the Polish government and the London government certainly didn't organise the Hilfspolize. Xx236 ( talk) 09:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
So the meaning of Polish should be explained to the reader from Korea or Mali, who doeasn't know anything about history of Central Europe. Xx236 ( talk) 10:12, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Wokół Jedwabnego [1]? Xx236 ( talk) 10:33, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
The basic text is available in Polish [2]. It's written by a Jew, so rather doesn't whitewash the Poles.
The pogrom took place days before the massacre, local peasants robbed Jewish homes. Later Germans organized the execution. The current title misinforms. The Holocaust wasn't a series of pogroms, but a planned extermination. Xx236 ( talk) 08:18, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
"and executed by a militia organized by Germans from local Poles the next day." [4]
[4] Encyclopaedia Judaica
Where is any note to that? Page from the Encyclopedia? Anything? -- DumnyPolak ( talk) 03:18, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
The name "pogrom" misinforms. Xx236 ( talk) 13:38, 2 November 2009 (UTC) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JewsandPoles/message/111 Xx236 ( talk) 14:07, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
According to Encyclopaedia Judaica http://ddickerson.igc.org/tykocin.html pogrom (looting) and massacre were separate events. The massacre was obviously more important than the looting. Xx236 ( talk) 11:01, 4 November 2009 (UTC) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JewsandPoles/message/111 Xx236 ( talk) 11:13, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. No support nor prospect of consensus to move. Andrewa ( talk) 11:13, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Tykocin pogrom →
Tykocin massacre? – The massacre was more important than the pogrom (looting).
Xx236 (
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08:10, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
Controversial statement. Probably less than 1.5 million, Many of them to Kasakhstan, which isn't Siberia. Xx236 ( talk) 12:52, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
The time is running, noone is interested. Xx236 ( talk) 11:43, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
Polish sources use Kapica. It's a Polish and Russian last name, Russian quoted here as Kapitsa. Xx236 ( talk) 10:28, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Vassyana ( talk) 08:13, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
The article informs about a Nazi massacre of 1400-1500 Jews so the title should be rather Tykocin massacre. Xx236 ( talk) 13:57, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
In another words furniture is more important than human lives. Xx236 ( talk) 07:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Polish police? Emotions aren't tools to write a non-POV article. Xx236 ( talk) 08:20, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
It's not a subject for jokes. Xx236 ( talk) 10:38, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
You have written :-). Xx236 ( talk) 12:35, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
The new source doesn't confirm the pogrom story. The mentioned Polish police is apparently a self-made militia, not a Polish state police nor the Blue police. Xx236 ( talk) 15:06, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
It was outside GG so there was no Blue Police there. According to many sources it was the auxillary police ie. Hilfspolizei, not formally organised yet, and local civilians. The Hilfspolizei was German organisation, even if ethnically Polish, Belarus or Lithuanian. So eventually German-Polish police, but Polish police means a police organised by the Polish government and the London government certainly didn't organise the Hilfspolize. Xx236 ( talk) 09:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
So the meaning of Polish should be explained to the reader from Korea or Mali, who doeasn't know anything about history of Central Europe. Xx236 ( talk) 10:12, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Wokół Jedwabnego [1]? Xx236 ( talk) 10:33, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
The basic text is available in Polish [2]. It's written by a Jew, so rather doesn't whitewash the Poles.
The pogrom took place days before the massacre, local peasants robbed Jewish homes. Later Germans organized the execution. The current title misinforms. The Holocaust wasn't a series of pogroms, but a planned extermination. Xx236 ( talk) 08:18, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
"and executed by a militia organized by Germans from local Poles the next day." [4]
[4] Encyclopaedia Judaica
Where is any note to that? Page from the Encyclopedia? Anything? -- DumnyPolak ( talk) 03:18, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
The name "pogrom" misinforms. Xx236 ( talk) 13:38, 2 November 2009 (UTC) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JewsandPoles/message/111 Xx236 ( talk) 14:07, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
According to Encyclopaedia Judaica http://ddickerson.igc.org/tykocin.html pogrom (looting) and massacre were separate events. The massacre was obviously more important than the looting. Xx236 ( talk) 11:01, 4 November 2009 (UTC) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JewsandPoles/message/111 Xx236 ( talk) 11:13, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. No support nor prospect of consensus to move. Andrewa ( talk) 11:13, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Tykocin pogrom →
Tykocin massacre? – The massacre was more important than the pogrom (looting).
Xx236 (
talk)
08:10, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
Controversial statement. Probably less than 1.5 million, Many of them to Kasakhstan, which isn't Siberia. Xx236 ( talk) 12:52, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
The time is running, noone is interested. Xx236 ( talk) 11:43, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
Polish sources use Kapica. It's a Polish and Russian last name, Russian quoted here as Kapitsa. Xx236 ( talk) 10:28, 20 November 2018 (UTC)